199: Paranormal Encounters and Spiritual Revelations w/ Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 4 (02:34):
Joining us today is Chris of Forbidden Knowledge News. Have
you been on the show with me? I've been on
Forbidden Knowledge News. It's a wonderful conversation.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Both of you have been on.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yes, we have been on.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know why we invite him, but I really
enjoy talking to you every time I'm on the show.
And uh, and I said, it's time to have Chris
on our show. And at first he said no. Actually yeah,
he did say no. And I'm saying, I get it,
I understand, but I I promise it's not going to
ding your reputation. And he said, if it doesn't ding
my reputation, that's fine, I'll come on the show. So

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he's here today, Chris if Forbidden Knowledge News. Before we start,
where can everybody find your work?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Before we do that, thank you gentlemen for having me on.
Looking forward to getting super fucking weird today. You can
find all my shiz on my website Forbidden Knowledge dot News.
I'm all the all the podcast platforms you can find
Forbidden Knowledge News. My films, one that was just recently released,
Doors of Perception, is exclusively on Amazon Prime, and my

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previous film, A Cult Louisiana is available on two b
Roku channel and multiple other streaming platforms. So that is
where you can find me.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
We got to ask you how you even do wait,
look at look that's me and about all there he is,
there he is I was on the show.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
You know, I really enjoy Chris because he's a guy
that works his ass off. Yeah, and I really appreciate
that about him. Just talking to XG the other day
and it's another guy who works his ass off and
like it's refreshing to see people not just like, uh
you know, kind of calling it in like that's not
what's happening here. Uh, you know, Chris and and Forbidden

(04:13):
Knowledge News, you're you're you're busting your hump and you're
making a lot of content. I wanna I want to
get into your documentary. But before we even do that,
I want to know how a guy gets into not
only this this content creation, this conspiracy realm of content creation,
but then also decides like, you know what, this is
where I'm gonna plant my flag and I'm going to

(04:34):
build here.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
What what? What? What got you doing that?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
It is a crazy convoluted story, but I'll try and
condense it down and break it down for you guys.
It was really all I think by accident. I never
expected to do any of this stuff. I first of all,
I'll preface everything i'm gonna say with sorry if I
piss off some Christians tonight, but it's probably gonna have.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
This is a Christian show. We pissed off in Christians
all the time.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
All right, Well, the I'm in the right place. So
it all started around twenty twelve when I was in
a very bad marriage with my ex wife and I
was lost. I had some nephlum demons swimming around in
my brain for sure. Man. I was on prescription drugs.

(05:25):
I was on all kinds of drugs. I was fat
and just not interested in anything. Man. Just I was
working my corporate job. I was making decent money, but
I thought that's what life was about. You know. In
my childhood I was super interested in all this stuff.
I was super interested in the par of normal and
the occult and conspiracies. And I grew up Catholic. I

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was terrified of the Catholic religion, so I checked out
of that at a very early age. But I always
kind of kept near and dear to my heart the
teachings of Jesus Christ because I always felt, intuitively, there's
something to this, this is this is the way to be.
But you know, by the time I was in my

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teenage years, sex, drugs, and rock and roll took over
my life and I completely forgot about all those teachings.
I completely forgot about anything that I enjoyed in life basically,
and just started going through, you know, the motions. But
in twenty twelve, I was going through a divorce and
just lost and had no idea how to make how

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to make anything out of my life. You know, I
was doing this corporate job which was making me money.
I was surviving. Okay, I was actually making pretty good money,
but I was miserable, and I started to First I
started at YouTube, and I was like, you know what,
I used to be interested in the paranormal. I used
to be interested in all this weird shit. Let me
see if I can just immerse myself in this and

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forget about my troubles. So that's what I did, but
I got super immersed into it. I got sucked into
conspiracy land, back in the golden age of YouTube, when
you could find all the wonderful conspiracy videos. I was
deep in it. Then I started buying books from my
favorite authors, and I started trying to talk to my
family and friends about it.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
And that was, for one, that's where you went wrong.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, that is where I was. This was in like
twenty thirteen, dude, and like nobody was talking about any
of this stuff, and my family nearly disowned me. I
lost almost all my friends. I was in a second
marriage at this time, and my wife was like just
about to jet out the door. Well ex wife, now
she did yet. So it was I was kind of

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by myself in this realm, and I didn't know what
to do about that because I had all this information
bubbling up inside me and I had to share it.
So started a YouTube channel. It actually started as a
Facebook blog Forbidden Knowledge News Blog, and I just started
writing about all this weird shit and people started following it.
And I felt stupid because I knew I wasn't smart
enough to convey a lot of these topics. So I'm like,

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I gotta interview people. I gotta you know, get maybe
get people on and do a YouTube channel. Started as
a YouTube channel, and God blessed Charlie Robinson. He was
one of my early guests. He came on and he's like, dude,
you got to turn this into a podcast. And I'm like,
what the fuck is a podcast? So he explained everything
to me. He hooked me up with my now producer,

(08:18):
Corey Hughes, and he already had a few podcasts under
his belt. They were like crypto podcasts. No one was
doing really conspiracy stuff at the time, so we converted it.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Crypto podcast, like back in twenty twelve or something like that.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
It was like twenty fourteen when he when I actually
started the podcast podcast. I was doing the YouTube channel
for a couple of years. That grew converted to this
podcast in about twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and it actually,
you know, started taking off. But like, I didn't know
how to convert this into a career, how to make

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money off it. I mean, we weren't making but a
couple of maybe one hundred bucks a month off of
what we're doing, had no idea how to do it.
And that's when I had my first insane you could say,
spiritual experience, even maybe contact experience. It was in It

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was okay. So I was doing the show for a while,
I was doing the podcast. It was kind of popular,
it was picking up speed. Didn't know how to make
money off it. We're on all the podcast platforms. Then
twenty nineteen ends. It was the very beginning of twenty
twenty and covid hadn't really reared its ugly head in
the way that we are all familiar with at the time.

(09:37):
But again, I was going through another bad, you know,
bad time with everything. I hated my job more than ever.
Even though I was doing the show. The show was
like my only reprieve I'd come home. It was the
thing that I loved to do. After my show, talked
to weird people and then back to my sucky life.

(09:57):
You know, at the time, I'm still doing pharmaceuticals, drug
just not living the right way. Didn't even consider anything spiritual,
but I started to do spiritual shows at the time,
started to talk about meditation, all the woo woo stuff
and I was like, I need to do something, so
maybe I should meditate. Man, maybe I don't know, so

(10:18):
I did. I started meditating very unsuccessfully for a long time.
But this one night in twenty twenty, I came home
and I was just so frustrated. I was talking to
some guests on my show before about meditation techniques, and
I remember one of them recommended putting on four thirty

(10:40):
two Hurtz tones in the background while I do this.
And not only that, I had this weird intuitive sense
to get in water, so I immersed myself in the bathtub.
I started meditating. I had the tones on, and this
is when shit got weird. A voice started speaking and
it wasn't like my noise, normal conscious. It wasn't you know,

(11:03):
me talking to myself. There was something different here, and
it was coinciding this feeling of love that I'd never
felt before. I thought I loved my parents, but this
kind of love feeling was like it was so it
made me some emotion. I was like crying. I was like,
what the fuck is going on? What is this feeling?
It felt like I was on some weird love drug.

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And this voice starts speaking and I freak out. I'm like,
I revert to childhood dogma. I'm saying, in the name
of Jesus Christ, are you a demon? And this voice
is like kind of lovingly laughing and saying, no, we
are of the Christ. We're here to speak with him. Like, well, okay,
so this voice beaming love telling me that they deliver

(11:48):
the message of Christ consciousness to those who were ready
to receive, and like, I have a much better understanding
of what this is now, which we'll get to a
little later. But I didn't know what I thought. I
was talking to an alien. I had no idea. Man,
I'm like, what the hell's going on? Something is speaking
to me, But I feel comfortable enough talking to it
because I don't think it's a demon. And I'm like,

(12:11):
all right, so what do you have to do? What
is going on? And it's like, well, I've been with
you your whole life, but it's time for you to
listen because it seems like you're not too happy with
your life. And I'm like, no, I'm not. And it said, well,
all right, we got to work on some shit. He's like,
you are getting into toxic relationships. The women you're getting
with are awful, nasty, women. You're not treating people right.

(12:36):
You are on pharmaceuticals. Let's start with all this bullshit
first and see if we can heal some childhood trauma
and get you on track, because you're never going to
be successful as long as you keep living the way
you're living. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, this is
things that I didn't want to hear because at the time,
my dumb ass wasn't considering cleaning up my life or

(12:57):
you know, stopping pharmaceuticals or eating better, doing any of
the shit that this weird voice is recommending in my head.
And I'm like, you know, all right, whatever, And the
conversation lasted like two hours. This voice then continues to
tell me the world's about to get weirder. Shit, there's
going to be events happening that you need to prepare
yourself for and by getting yourself healthy and getting yourself

(13:21):
into a better spiritual state, this is going to help
you prepare for everything. Oh and by the way, quit
your job and do the podcast full time. And I'm like,
what they were speaking of the the COVID events, I
am they didn't they didn't get specific, but they said
the world's about to change in a big way. It did.
I don't see it. It wasn't they. It was this

(13:43):
voice and it said, you need to quit your job
and start doing this podcast full time. And I laughed.
I thought it was you know, I thought it was funny.
It's like, there's no way in hell you know, I'm
making like seventy eighty grand a year doing this corporate job.
How am I gonna you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Gonna go this embodied entity? Do you not know that
there's no money in podcasting? You unaware that there's zero
money in podcasting?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
What are you talking about it?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Like? Oh no, I know, Yeah, I definitely knew. But
it was insane.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Man.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
The eventually it was like the voice faded away. It
was like flickering. It was like a tuning to a
station that you couldn't pick up anymore, and it was gone.
So I'm I'm like totally bugging out after this. I
have no idea if I just had an acid flashback,
or if I'm going nuts, if I broke something in
my brain. I'm calling people that I, you know, talk

(14:33):
to on the podcast every getting every perspective from people
who are spiritual, who people who follow Christ, people who
are into aliens. I'm like trying to get every perspective
as possible, and I'm like, you know what, none of
these are helping me. I just got to do this again.
I got to see if this is real by trying
to do this again. So days went by, tried, tried, tried,

(14:56):
it never worked. Then finally it worked again and and
the voice came back even stronger. This time it presented
me with a memory of like this extremely traumatic childhood
event that I forgot about, and it was like, you
see shit like this. You got to remember this shit
and you got to work through it before you're gonna
heal or be able to do anything. And it was

(15:17):
like super traumatic event and I remembered it and I'm
like what the fuck started crying and I felt like
this weight lift off of me. And he's like, all right,
this is step one. You're getting there. And it started
explaining to me, you know, things that I should keep
doing to make myself healthy and eat better and treat
people better. And the voice was like, you know, I

(15:40):
know you fell away from your religious beliefs because of
fear and dogma, and it's like, you can find a
different path to Christianity without all the dogma it, you know,
went on to say that a lot of that is
just pure mind control, and a lot of that is,
you know, a lot of what we have, what we
see in the Bible is pure gold, it is pure truth.

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But there have been a lot of things that have
put in there for control. And it was a strange
conversation about spirituality. And I was still not ready to
take that spiritual route, but I was ready to start,
like changing my diet, and within a few months I
quit all the pharmaceuticals. This was such a profound experience,
like I made these changes in my life very rapidly.

(16:28):
I also quit my job within six months because for
some reason at my job, shit started getting so horrible
after that event that it's like it forced me to
do it. I got new managers that were complete dicks.
Every single customer was pissing me off more than ever.
And I was like, all right, so this is it.
I took out my four one K and yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Can I ask you something real quick, Chris, So, being
into conspiracies as long as you were, all of that
kind of crap comes up about the dangers of let's say,
like the slot that they feed us through all these
various corporations and everything. What do you think was the
reason that you never looked at that angle or maybe
you did look at it, but you never incorporated it

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into your life until.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, at the behest of this entity, I.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Was looking at all of it. I was looking at
alternative health, but at the time I was just so
lost emotionally and spiritually, and I had so much muck
and trauma that I couldn't make that connection that if
I did that myself, my life might get better. And
it didn't really click and connect until after I made
contact with what this voice is. And I know, I'll

(17:37):
tell you. I understand now that this one one more, one.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
More question, and I'm sorry I might have missed. You said,
were you on psychedelics with the four thirty two? No,
just four thirty two in water.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Psychedelics came later. But yes, this voice actually the strangest
thing the second time I made contact with it.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Dislike not to discribe. I'm not trying to like scrape
at a story or anything, because we have I'll tell
you later, but very very similar story Episode fifteen of
this show. Right off the bat, we've delved into this subject,
and your story's almost like word for word the same.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I imagine Chris, you've probably your story has to have
resonated with people to a degree where you've gotten that
reciprocal Hey, this sounds just like what I went through.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh yeah, plenty, plenty of plenty of times. Yeah. So,
I mean I eventually came to the understanding that this
voice is my conscious you know, it's my higher self,
me talking to myself, but it's a divine connection to myself,
one that is closer to God than anything else. And
I've tested this through years of you know, talking with

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this thing and trying to understand, and in the beginning,
it actually suggested that I use psilocybin to heal myself,
to heal the trauma, because it would be a fast
route to be able to do this. It'd be quicker
than doing any other therapeutic, you know, types of things
to try and heal the childhood trauma that I had

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built up. And it was so strange to me because
the last time I'd done psychedelics I was a teenager.
Mushrooms scared the shit out of me. I was never
thinking about going back and doing that shit again. But
it was like, yeah, do psilocybin, You're gonna heal some shit.
So I'd forgotten about that for a while. Eventually I
was able to quit my job, pull out my four
oh one K, and I moved to Colorado. I always

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wanted to move to Colorado. I was willing to be
in the mountains. I was in South Louisiana at the
time and it just wasn't a conducive environment to creativity
or anything like that. So I just wanted to get
out of there. And when I moved to Colorado, realized
that the magic mushrooms were legal there and I started
growing them bitches. I was like, all right, let's see

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what this shit's all about. And I started doing very
high therapeutic doses and they were terrifying for very long time,
but I felt that after each experience something was healing.
I felt better, even though like I'd be confronting the
most horrible traumas that I'd had. It would bring up

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memories that were so lost and experiences that I probably
would have never remembered otherwise, and just putting them in
my face so that I could, you know, basically heal
from them. And this was months and months. I would
do a high dose about four or five grams once
a month, and that went on for about two or

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three years. I no longer do the mushrooms because the
final experience I had was the final chapter. It's all
I needed. But they helped me heal so much. Man Like,
I owe so much of where I'm at and my
ability to communicate, my ability to understand things, and my

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spiritual connection to God, how I treat people, how I
take care of myself, so much is due to my
healing from the psilocybin mushrooms. And I noticed about after
a year of living in Colorado, like struggling our asses off,
not knowing if we'd be able to do it. One
day we look at our revenue and it's like, damn,

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I can pay rent this month with this. And the
next month's like I can pay rent and get a hamburger.
So it just kept getting better and better, and it's like,
you know this is you know, I can't deny that
what happened to me with those voices wasn't a very
powerful metaphysical experience and to basically lead me on my way,

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and that basically opened up many doors of understanding, and
it also opened up a lot of trouble for me
because I had so many possibilities of what this realm is,
understanding the nature of reality that it almost drove me crazy.
But I was able to kind of pack it up

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everything together in last year actually through a series of
psychedelic experiences finishing my movie and some real life experiences
that were pretty insane, like going to Skinwalker Ranch and uh,
you know, witnessing some some pretty interesting things. But uh

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yeah we uh you know Ryan Burns.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, I don't know him, but he Ryan was technically
hosting the moon Lake thing, but then there was high
levels of we were gonna go to Moonlake, but the
entire event got canceled because of you know, unsafe levels
of radiation.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah. I've known Ryan for a while. He came on
my show a long time ago. We hit it off,
and he has a ranch right next door to Skinwalker,
like literally right next door, called Space Wolf Research, and
we went spent a couple of nights over there for
filming Doors of Perception, and man, it wasn't so much
what we saw but because we saw some crazy shit,

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But it was the stories that Ryan told us about
some of the things that happened on the ranch that
were absolutely insane, and we felt like we had a
little bit of a hitchhiker that came home with us
after because we had some extremely negative shit happening in
our household, some weird things that we couldn't account for,

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things going missing, and like days later I found I
had brought home a rock from there that I didn't
didn't even realize I had brought home. I put it
on the table somehow had got in my bag, and
we figure that's what it's from. Because once we got
rid of the rock, it'ds some prayers things like that.
It all stopped, but it was pretty insane. But the

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shit that goes on there, I'm convinced it is at
least ninety percent exotic military technology that they're testing out there,
as opposed to like, you know, real paranormal type activity,
which does occur, but at a probably much smaller level
than the exotic military weaponry that they're testing out there.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
It seems like if there was a like a fitting
of the veil or whatever is conventionally explained when it
comes to Skinwalker Ranch, that if that was known to
any degree, that the military might have an interest in there.
So it's maybe a question of chicken or egg or
you know, when you say that ninety percent of it
is exotic military technology, what's the old explanation or the

(24:34):
old quote is like any sufficiently advanced technology.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Is indistinguished magic. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, So, I mean, I wonder because there always seems
to be this large overlap of mysticism and technology, and
then of course when those two things come together, the
military seems to have some interest in it one way
or another.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Well, not only do high level military personnel aerospace companies,
but billionaires and Satanists throw money at Ryan to go
and just hang out on his land for a few
days and do experiments and rituals, and god knows what else.
He has an actual Satanist that is renting a sliver
of land from him, that puts on a light show

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at night from a tent that he claims attracts the
old ones. And the dude walks around in like this
red hood and robe with this fucking wand or something,
and he's got these skulls all around his property. He's
a legit like satanists. And we were talking to him
and he said that he had two properties that were legit.

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Just blew up somehow one was struck by lightning. One
blew up from some unknown source two of his houses
because he fucked up rituals and whatever he was trying
trying to, you know, commune with wasn't too happy with him,
so it supposedly destroyed two of his homes.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Let me, I want to go back a little bit, Chris,
to this this entity that was communicating with you. You
said you considered it, after some time and consideration, to
be your your higher self, a form of your own
self that was closer to God. We like Todd was
alluding to, had someone on the show episode fifteen.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
His name was Colin, and Colin.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Was in a pretty destitute place at the time, right,
I mean, I think he was going through a divorce,
was he was desperate, and one thing leads to another,
and eventually he comes into contact with something tells him
to quit his job, which he promptly does.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, he hears this voice and you know, obeys
it through some psilocybin use.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
He starts to have these encounters with these entities, and
I think it's even at their request that he's doing
the psilocybin and and.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
It'll like tell him where to do it now. Meet
me here, you know that kind of had any of that.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
But yeah, well, I mean in some ways yours is
more amazing in some regards than than his. But ultimately
what ends up happening is he is one experience is
an abduction scenario where he wakes up during it and.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
They tell him.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Number one, calm down, you've consented to this. You don't
remember that, but you have consented to this. Number two,
you're being upgraded for a coming war, which is like
there's this anticipatory event right that that you're being prepared
for one way or another. Diet is a big one
diet exercise he's running, he's lifting.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Was your diet? I think he went? Did he go
completely vegan.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Or I don't know if you're vegan or vegetarian?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
But he did.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
There was a dramatic I think he's right. I think
it may I just stopped eating.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like, you know, processed foods and shit.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Basically yeah, yeah, but it is interesting because now obviously
you don't need an entity to tell you that. If
you listen to Joe Rogan, he's gonna go like, I
don't know, dude, maybe you should eat some Who told
Joe Rogan that?

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Who told.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
John Silly or John C. Lily flow tanks and doing
DM take. But but it's interesting because there is this
aspect of like cleaning up your life. And and I
think you probably understand, Chris, unless you have the experience yourself,
it's reasonable to be like highly like, even if it's
telling me something.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Good, I'm like, what are you?

Speaker 4 (28:29):
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Where do you get I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
A skeptical person by nature, because or else I wouldn't
be a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Right, I've been lied to? Enough is what I'm getting at, Chris.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
And and uh, and so I'm always looking at these
things like I wonder like, okay, here, let me ask
you this.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
At any point, was there any was it all good?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Or was it all that?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
All of it is good?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
All of it now that that was Esily with Colin,
all of it was good to know, this is the
thing I had. I questioned the same things. There were
times where I would go, I'll even go like a
couple of months, thinking, man, I'm communicating with a demon.
This thing is trying to to, you know, get one
over on me, just because of the topics I was
interested in at the time. The people I was, and

(29:11):
that's where perception do my film Doors of Perception comes in.
I believe our perception, whatever we're focusing on is going
to manifest in our life in a big way. So,
you know, going through all those worries with this this being,
I would never you know, I'd always be like, you know,
questioning are you of Christ? In the name of Christ?
I demand you tell me if you're deceiving me, And

(29:34):
it would just be like, come on, dude, what this again?
You know, it's just such a loving like you know,
you don't have to worry about this. I've been I've
been talking to you since you could understand words, since
you were a baby. You just didn't have that separate
identity that this is your conscious or this is your
higher self. It's always just been that voice in your

(29:54):
head that says, don't do that stupid, don't be mean
to grandma. Don't you know it's It's the way to
understand explained it to me, is everybody fucking has this thing,
and they can choose to listen, they can choose to
ignore it, they can choose to think it's a demon,
but it's always going to be there. It's always going
to be talking now, you that you test it by

(30:18):
the fruits, by what the information and what is coming out.
And I've tested it over and over again, and what
it has come out of it is I've healed myself.
I have better relationships. I treat people so much better.
I have a relationship with Jesus. I talk to Jesus
in God all the time. I say prayers, dude, like

(30:40):
I am living by Jesus's teachings to a tea because
I contact. I made contact with this thing, and it encourages,
you know, prayer, It encourages talking to Jesus. It encourages
having that type of belief system. Because for the longest

(31:03):
time I didn't have any beliefs. I was everywhere I
was like, this could be a simulation, this could be this,
this could be that. Now I have the understanding that
this is God's realm, that the teachings of Jesus Christ
are the way, the light and the truth, and that's
the that's what you follow. That's the way out of
this matrix. That's the way to you know, to redeem

(31:26):
your soul is to follow those teachings. Everything else might
be a bunch of muddled bullshit. But I don't care
because I focus on that and that is what gets
me from point A to B in my life, from
the morning to night and through the next day. Is
that's where it all led me to those teachings of
Jesus Christ. And if that's a demon, my god, what

(31:49):
a sucky demon.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
That's that's like when people say, like, oh, Jesus is
actually like a just a fabrication by the Jews, and
it's like, well, if you look at what.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Jesus did impose everything they're doing, well, not even.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Just that, it's like, oh, so their their plan, their
master plan was to get everybody to live in a
way that if we all did, everything would be infinitely better, right,
Like that's a that's a why.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
What a what a plan? What a trap? By the way,
red heifers apparently have been I just see it's like
they keep going back and forth. It's like, oh, they didn't.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I saw one that said it was an article that
came out like a week or two ago that said
all of them ended up being non viable.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, and now a sudd another one came out and
it's like they did it under the cover of night.
And there's a lot of misinformation. But some dude was
on Tim Kash take it or leaving me, and he's like,
I got a bag. He got a bag of ash.
He says it's from the and they had red heifer
ash had broke it out. He did a line on
the table. They showed a video the ceremony. I was
just like, hey, dude, I don't know, but whatever, Well,

(32:46):
well listen, I want to ask you one more question
on this, on this topic, and then I want to
move on to your documentary. But before we do, we're
kind of I kind of wanted to say, don't we
want to kick out these filthy pores before we do?
But okay, fine, I wanted to say that, like it's
it's such a strange one because our friend Column, our
friend Colin, same experience, same sort of thing. He's dealing

(33:06):
with these entities and they're giving him great advice. The
guy gets in great shape, same kind of thing, like
going through a divorce. This guy has cleaned up his
life now, his relationships are much better. Something happened though
along the way, like so he's he was using psilocybin
to contact these entities, got to a point where it
was like no longer necessary. I guess the door has

(33:28):
been like kicked wide open.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, didn't they say like, hey, stop stop showing up.
It's like doing the psilocybin. They're like, no, you don't
need to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
And but but he wasn't in contact with just one
Like he named a couple of entities, described a couple
of entities, and then he got into some like weird
uh abduction stuff. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
It seems like he's engaging in a spiritual realm where
there's a variety of that exists. And now it's not
just the good ones interacted, which which makes sense. It's like,
once you're no longer standing on the sidelines, you're now
engaged in something, Well, then other things are going to
engage with you.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
You're not you're not stagnant, you're not neutral.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
You're picking a side, right, and therefore maybe the other
side has an interest in tweaking you a little bit.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I think there's an ecosystem out there. And I used
to think this was total metaphysical BS when people would
say it all depends on where you're vibrating. You know,
how high your frequency is. If you're vibrating at a
high frequency, and you're videbrating with love, You're going to
only attract, you know, the higher vibrational beings. I used

(34:42):
to think that might probably be S. But after you know,
having experienced other entities like you were saying, trying to
communicate with me, I never you know, I never engaged.
I never really you know, would go out and try
and channel beings. This one thing that I understood is
my higher self, you know, uh, just it's a part

(35:02):
of me. So I wasn't seeing it as I was,
you know, communicating with anything external. Although that has happened.
There have been other things that have kind of communicated
with me, but I've never really you know, engaged in
full on conversations with these things. And that was always
when I was you know, tripping head the under the

(35:23):
psilocybin experiences and things like that. But the I can
tell you about one fucking crazy story where my ex
girlfriend shape shifted into a reptilian Okay.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Okay, wait wait wait wait wait, you can't tell us
about don't tell us about your lizard X yet. We
have to get this is this is top, This is
this is paid to your story tied stuff these other
people have to get out of here, all the disgusting pors. Guys,
if you're not a disgusting poor and you want to
prove you when you say, you know what, Raven, you
know what, top, I'm gonna show you I do have money, Well,

(35:57):
then go over to patreon dot combackslash slash netflam DEAs
squad and and and use that money, because you know what,
I don't believe you.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think you're a liar. All right, all right, all right,
enough plugging, all right, that's perfect.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
And there are okay, all right, so on man, you're you're, you're,
you know what, Just take it away, take it away
from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Do you mean she's she's a lizard.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Okay, I'm not saying that she is an actual reptilian.
But we'll we'll kind of we'll we'll pick apart everything
as we go. But I have to tell you the
story for you, and understand, this was about three and
a half years ago. I was I am now happily
married to the most wonderful woman in the world. We

(36:39):
never argues, the most beautiful relationship I've ever been in.
Before this though I was dating and I was still
doing the horrible relationship thing. This was my final frontier,
Like getting with shitty women is a problem for me,
So what was a problem. So this was actually a
fan of the show, first red flag that reached out

(37:01):
to me. And she was hot, man. But you know,
she reached out and we started getting together. She lived
close by, and uh we eventually decided be mutual, mutually
beneficial if we got a place together. And uh, yes,
mistake number two. I I must have been like completely

(37:23):
blinded to what she was all about.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
Uh you know, did she ever try to like have
input on the show, like you should do this, you
should do that?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Well, yes, all the freaking time.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
So one day, this was during the beginning stages of
my mushroom psilocybin journeys. I was you know, I was
growing them at the time. And she is one of
those she self proclaimed psychic healer people, and she says
she's never done psilocybin mushrooms before, but she'd love to

(37:54):
try him with me. I'm like cool, all right, So
I dosed her a couple of grands nothing you know
that would hopefully not freak her out an I dose
and you know, a few like thirty minutes go by,
I'm in it and she's not, and I'm like, okay,
let's just wait. Two hours go by and she's like, no,
I feel sleepy, not feeling anything. I'm like, what like that?

(38:17):
By then, we had given her five grams and she's
not like these are super mushroom, and she's not cool.
What the hell is going what is going on?

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
So like she's like, no, nothing. So we're having this
conversation and eventually what she's saying sounds not right. It's
getting weird. So I look at her and she says,
you know, I found you a while back. I helped
you get where you are now, and I have this feeling.
I just have this feeling you don't love me anymore.

(38:49):
When she said that, I should you not, she grew
like two or three feet and shape shifted into this
reptilian monster dude. She had yellow, pointy teeth, yellow eyes,
and she was still wearing my ex girlfriend's NIGHTI is
like six foot tall?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
How many? How many? How many? How many mushroom?

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Because I've I've taken h take about five grams? Okay,
because I took about five grams.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And this had never happened in my life I've never
had at all, and breathing a little bit nice. So
it's about the extent for me. Never this is. But
it gets crazier. She shaped shifts. She's like, you don't anymore.
I'm like, what if I take off? I'm running. I
run down to my basement and I look back and

(39:38):
I see her. She's to be a big lizard woman
chasing me in a night gown.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I go and I locked myself. Stop dude, I locked
myself in the basement. And this is when she really
falls apart. My entire basement shifts into a dungeon. Bro,
I have bars on my windows. I look out side.
The sky's blood red. I'm like, what the fuck is
I'm like, okay, I'm the first person that odeed on mushrooms.

(40:06):
I'm obviously Chris.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Can you like, like is it? Can you see the
reality underneath it?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Is?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
It? Like perfectly a perfect overlap.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I'm in a different realm, man. I'm like, shit, dude, dude,
it is terrifying. But I'm still in my hot can
still like navigate. It's my house, but it's different, it's
totally different. I go back up. There's like cobwebs everywhere.
There's it's like a dingy John dungeon every everywhere I go.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Have you have you ever heard of like the Mother
Horse Eyes. It's like a long Reddit post.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yeah, there's like a Mother Horse Eyes kind of a thing, right.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Well, yeah, I mean in part of it, in the
Mother Horse Eyes cabin where the kids go, there is
a room that is a basement, but it's also a dungeon.
It's a dungeon. Weird. It's kind of weird, strange overlap,
but that's interesting. That also has to do with like
it's like the LSD Realm. Check out Mother Horse Eyes.
You love it, Chris, you love it. It's a red hot.
It's a ten hour listen. But it's like a Reddit

(41:03):
post that the guy has posted in different subreddits and
it's a cohesive story. Great story. It is gripping. It
is gripping, and I thought that I think it's real.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
But look, I just want to say for the audience
one more time, like if you've never done mushrooms, like
I've done mushrooms.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I've done five dried grams. That's supposed to be like
a heroic dose.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
You don't get I didn't get like I engage in
a conversation with my buddy's mom for like a good
hour and she never knew I was on mushrooms. Like
it is a manageable experience unless maybe you get like,
you know, you start to go to a dark place
in your mind.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But nothing.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
I'm just saying, like things maybe looked a little bit
more vivid. The world was maybe a little bit more
beautiful in its way, and there was some strange, you know,
visual hallucinations, like the ground kind of expanding and contracting
like it was breathing. You have some visual acuity, you know,
really get dialed up. But what he's talking about that
is not your.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Run of the mill. That's not normal. What's really happening.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
That is a wild level of of you know, a
host nation feels like a stupid ass word. I tend
to agree with Chris. You were in a different realm, homie, dude.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
It it felt like it. And like I said, I thought,
I I didn't know what to do. I sneak back
upstairs and somehow I managed to avoid the six foot
tall reptilion in a ninety and I sneak into my
bathroom and I'm like, I lock the bathroom door. I
don't know what to do. I turn on the shower.
I jump in the shower and like water's just pouring on,

(42:33):
steaming hot water. I'm like, I start praying. I said God,
And as soon as I said God, please, is fucking
rumbling in my stomach and I puked up this black
viscous I don't know what the fuck it was. And
then I hear this voice say no, you're being deceived,

(42:55):
and like everything just snap back. I'm not in the
dungeon anymore. I'm in my bathroom. Everything's like actually beautiful
and bright and shiny, and I feel like this powerful,
loving presence in the room with me, and I'm like,
what the fuck. I opened the door. I look out
and it's my ex girlfriend again. She's not a lizard.
She's sitting on my bed, like what the fuck is

(43:17):
going on? And I'm like, I don't want to talk
about it. I just I went grab a bottle of
wine and I fucking just went upstairs and locked myself
in the upstairs and I'm just fucking drank until I
passed out. I was like, what the fuck happened? But
I tell her, like, what you well, here's here's what happened.
The next day, I explained everything, and this is this
is where I'm at with it. After the following days

(43:41):
and weeks, I saw a different side of this woman
that I hadn't seen before, you could say, a very cold, manipulative,
reptilian side of her. She she didn't shape shift anymore,
but she was such a bitch after like she was
trying to even car just like trying to feel money
from me, like all kinds shit that I don't know

(44:01):
if I just didn't see it before. Where I'm at
is maybe the mushrooms were trying to fucking tell me
something about this lady. And it all manifested after the fact,
like she was a cold hearted reptilian bitch, even if
she wasn't a reptilian. That's what she started. That's what
started coming out, and I had to I had to
cut it off. I'm like, man, that's what that was about.

(44:23):
Either she's a reptilian or she's got some reptilian energy
that I'm not supposed to be with here. I think
those mushrooms saved my life with that one.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I mean, people have some some passengers, some dark passengers.
Sometimes I think that what happened to you that vomiting
of this black bile that you're talking about. When we
speak to deliverance ministers, Oh, that's interesting, they'll often talk
about that like they'll be like a purging, a physical pursing.
So Laura Baker has mentioned it. I think Randy Goodwin

(44:52):
also has mentioned and it's.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Black, black black. Get this after this, I never got
into a shitty relationship again.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Hmmm, dang, you might have accidentally delivered your.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Relationship demon.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's very fascinating. That's fascinating. Yeah, man, I mean it's
crazy that you could. Like, what's crazy is so a
lot of people, obviously the Christian some Christian people before
in the YouTube chat were a little pissed off of
what Chris is saying, but they're always pissed off every
episode like these guys. Yeah, but no, I just think
that there's more than one way to skin a cat.

(45:31):
So the instructions in the Bible, the instructions you're going
to get at church or from other people who are
within the Christian faith will tell you, well, here are
the steps, and those are those steps work to do
some of these things. But we talk to a lot
of people now who do this to themselves accidentally. Yeah,
and it's like there are like transmutable characteristics of things

(45:51):
that you can do and then you'll get the same result.
Well even even me.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
It's like I'm sitting here, this is a Christian show,
this Christians Christian show, and uh and and I've.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Been through all of that.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
I mean, I came through what I guess would be
best described as like gnosticism, you know. Uh and and
and certainly when I met you and still gay now,
and certainly a lot of drug use, you know, I was,
I was doing a lot of fun stuff. And you know,
we don't advocate for it, Chris, only because it's like
we don't know where people are in.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Their lives, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
But but I don't think that. How do I how
do I say this? It's like I know people, I
mean much like your story here, you know what I mean.
It's like, well, what you like you said before, what
are the fruits.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Of what you went through?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
You're living a life that is in alignment with Jesus
christ teachings. You're you're praying, You're closer to Jesus and God,
you know than you have been before.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You know, you treat people better all these different things.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
This is a Christian show, you know, but uh, there
is an an audience or or I guess a type
of character that that really uh locks up and it's
I guess at the end of the day, it's like
you you're putting limitations on God if you think that
God can only use you know, the Christian Church or

(47:12):
the Catholic Church to put you through the process that
He needs to put you through in order for you
to be utilized by him.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Well, I mean it's like it's it's what a parent
that it's the advice a parent would give to a child. Yeah,
Like I wouldn't want you to go and get in
the same get to the same spot that I'm at,
but like do it through trial and error. I'll be like, hey,
this is what worked for me, you know what I'm saying,
Like avoid this. Like I was just telling you about
our friend Colin. He uh, he did the same thing

(47:41):
and had pretty good results. He's in contact, he was
in contact with what he said was angels and things
like that, getting great advice. But now, like to this day,
he's still going through a slew of paranormal activity, like
a lot of orb stuff. His girlfriend now is there
foot tall lizard thing? So no, but his girlfriend now

(48:02):
is dealing with uh like uh experiences like abduction type experiences.
Not necessarily, but I do wonder.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
It's like anybody who even if you go like let's
say you become a minister, right or something like that,
Like people will say, like, yo, you're in the battle now,
and when you when you do that, when you.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Are, what are the rules? Are the rules? It's crazy.
We don't we don't know. I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, that's one thing. You're never gonna get the rules
in this place.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
I think that was part of my journey, is just
being thrown into the fire and making my own mistakes
and just learning from them. And that's what it's been
up until now. And you know, like I said, I
have no need to go back and do psilocybin or
anything like that. Again. I don't even really meditate much anymore.
I you know, before I'm going to sleep, I can

(48:50):
quiet down in everything enough to hear if I have
to tell myself anything and anything important. And it's just
you know, people, you know, whenever you say that, it's
such a trigger thing. You're talking to voices I mean
everybody does. They just don't you know, it's not I
somehow got the got was able to separate it through
a series of experiences and then reintegrate it to have

(49:13):
a better understanding of what it's always really been.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's the talking to voices thing is crazy too. I mean,
our boy Frank just had on Jerry Morzinski, who will
have on again.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I think on the other day.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
I'm so glad that he's getting, you know, such important
information that he has to share with people.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
I mean, obviously he tells it. He explains it way
better than we can. We just like regurgitated stuff. But
it's like, yeah, dude, everybody has these voices. At the
end of Frank's show, he really nailed it. He's like,
I just want your audience to know everybody hears these voices.
The question is like if you are, like, you have
to be aware of the one listening who's listening, because

(49:53):
that's you and everything else may not be most likely
will not be. I think it's like eighty percent. Yeah,
I agree with that. I think we all hear them,
it's just how loud do we hear them? And then
also is like, what came to you, it's an entity.
But does this always have to be a negative? Then
what came to Mary, you know what came to most
of the people in the Bible, the prophets, It was like,

(50:14):
it doesn't always have to be a fall in one.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
And then ultimately when something does come to you, you know,
we were given free will here, so you still have
a decision to make in this well, you gotta test it.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
You gotta test it.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah, and then it's like, you know, if you feel
as though this is a negative, you don't have to
do what this thing says. That's a wild I mean
we get those all the time, right where it's like
you're driving down the highway and it's like pull that
wheel dog yeah all the time. And sometimes you know what,
you're right, and I go, that wasn't good. Shouldn't listen
to that, you know? So, so I mean, you don't
always have to. Yeah, it's just a it's it's a

(50:48):
weird thing because you know, once again, just to reiterate,
this is a Christian show.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
We're doing better, we are doing better. We're doing a
lot better.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Draw a specific audience and sometimes those and sometimes those
people they get a little bit scared, and that's okay.
It's okay to get a little bit scared, but like, yah,
calm down, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Look, I want to get into this documentary.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Fear not Chris, if you do not fear uh this
documentary that you made it, there's two documentaries, but I
want I want to specifically talk about the what was
it called the Layers of perception, Doors of perception, Doors
of perception?

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, So so what's the premise of that. How do
you set out to make this documentary?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
What is it? What is it all about?

Speaker 7 (51:37):
Well?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I see is this a trailer? Is Oh dude, let's
play that. That's great play. Why are we going to
listen to? Chris? Yeah, listen to the YouTube video. Unbelievable.
I mean, might as well. Let's let's check it out.
I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
We can hear the nature of this experience seems to
always be just beyond the reach of our science, technology,
and consciousness collective.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
This guy sounds a lot layers upon layers upon layers.
Does had such an element of mystery to this place?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Why are we here?

Speaker 6 (52:10):
We're getting closer to the truth now.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.
Dreams involve interactions with real entities.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
People are waking up paralyzed their sensing, or seeing something
very evil in the room. I have experienced sleep paralysis,
shadow people start to appear.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
about these things.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
A a apologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial
in our paranormal research, which they will have the ghost.
Well what about all of those things in none of
those things, the entities, the intelligence that were just beyond
our understanding.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
There seems to be something a little extra that can
take forms of anything. But I can't believe what I've seen.
But it continues on a daily basis. We're definitely not alone. UFOs,
UAPs portals opening up.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
I've lived with all this supernatural stuff.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
You kind of grow up with that.

Speaker 7 (53:26):
Around here, you see a lot of strange things. I
don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.

Speaker 7 (53:38):
People they would saying they were transform into bears, into wolves.
There's these bad things that occur, goals, UFOs, and all
types of things coming from somewhere.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seemed to
heavily influence the nature of these experiences.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
There is so much more that we just don't have
time for in this busy, loud, noisy.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Life that we lead.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
There's so much more out there.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
We really are picking up such a small small percentage
of the electrobonetic spectrum.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
The world is an amazing place.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
It feels like we're God's in training.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
Man.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
I am schizophrenic now. I'm stoked, dude, Like that that
looks that's not out yet? That is it's on Amazon Prime.
Oh good, I'm I'm watching that tonight tonight. I'm like,
that looks awesome, dude, My goodness. It's so great too,
because my favorite things, all my favorite and all my
favorite people too. Oh my god, I want to just

(54:46):
hang out in the in a room of all those people.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Vicky Joyce. Yeah, man, dude, h man.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Before we get into the larger topic, I gotta ask
you a question, Chris, do you think that all these
things are like coming to a head because that documentary
trailer that we just watched was a summation of the
last ten episodes that we did. I mean, in all
of the episodes of our show.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Actually, we're just done doing the show. Now we'll use
it as our intro and then we won't even.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Do the show.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Just play the documentary every episode because it's what it is,
and then outside I'll pop on, I'll go did you
know politics is theater? I'll say that every day, man.
So do you think these things are happening more frequently?
Is it coming to a head? Is it the awareness
surrounding it is becoming exponential?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
That's large.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I think the awareness more people, especially after twenty twenty,
started questioning the nature of reality in general, and it's
like this huge domino effect that affected the rest of
the planet. And now we have people who were too
afraid to talk about their weird paranormal experiences, the terrestrial experiences.

(56:01):
Now it's okay because the government says that aliens are real.
So now these people who have shut up about it
and we're too terrified to be judged about their experiences
are all coming out and saying, oh, well, the government
said it's real, they won't judge me as much anymore
if I talk about it. More people are coming out
talking about their experiences, and we're comparing notes because we

(56:22):
have the Internet now. I think AI and a lot
of the psychological operations are throwing trying to throw a
wrench in that right now and causing confusion and people
not to know what the fuck is really going on.
But the information is coming out, it's having an effect
on people. I don't know if it's happening more, but

(56:42):
I think there is more of a collective awareness of it,
and when it does happen, it's getting more immediate attention.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
If you know what I mean, I understand what you're saying,
and I wonder what you think about You know, you
engage with this phenomenon if you especially if you choose
a side, it's that you know, both positive and negative
entities will interact you to whatever degree. We're aware of
a situation that's like unfolding in Indiana that that partly
is what our friend Colin is involved in. It seems

(57:12):
that a lot of people in Indiana are having this
uh like it's a vision or it's a dream, and
these people are un associated with each other, but they
are coincidentally if you believe in that in southern Indiana,
and the dream or the vision is that they are
going through a recruitment process. They're being petitioned by a
negative entity. Seems like kind of a head honcho negative entity.

(57:34):
I think one person even said that it described itself
as Ball, which is interesting because Ball is sort.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Of a title story that Tony Merkle broke.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yes, yes, Tony's been talking about this story that we broke. Well, look,
Tony has done a lot more work on it.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
But what I will say is I heard it from first.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
So what what happened is Tony It's It's funny Tony
had the story about is the guy's name Roy, I
forget what the dark it was like the part of
his Dark Dark Shift, Yes, Dark Shit series. Yeah, and
then he also has another guy that's in Indiana. It
was the Predator episode. Oh yeah, yeah, like a Hell's Angel,
one of those like biker club dudes that ran into

(58:13):
the Predator, but also had this experience where he was
proposed by well dressed entity shows him the girls you
can come here, but he's in some sort of underground cavern. Yeah,
he says, no, and we get Colin. We start to
show fifteen episodes and you know, fifteen episodes, that's like, yeah,
we're almost at two hundred at this point, but realistically

(58:34):
we've done probably closer to four because we do like
a lot of others, so just the main line and yeah,
so we get Colin at fifteen and this timeframe was similar.
It was it wasn't even similar because Tony hadn't released
that until like later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so Tony picked
up on it. We released it as soon as we
passed Colin along to Tony as well, because we're like, yo,
this dude's in Indiana and he interviewed him. So it's like,

(58:56):
now it's like this compilation of things happening in this
this Uh so our.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Research is over over lapping with Tony's. But but but
we say, this is a Christian show, but we say
choice words sometimes, and so Tony goes, well, you know,
and I don't blame him, and I don't blame them
because we're terrible.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
We're terrible. And also, this show is not it's not
necessarily about the experiences of these people. We do a
show like that where we just read them. But obviously
Tony's is like, you know, interview based on these people
that have these experiences. That's a hard show to do.
It's a very hard show to do.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
But because it's predicated on, you know, the listenability of
your guests, and your guess is just some dude that
went through something bizarre but rough. So so my my
question is, like, because I know what you're saying at
the top of the show, or maybe it was before
we started the show, Chris, you said you don't necessarily
agree with this idea that like we're barreling towards some
sort of end times and and I can see even

(59:49):
how there's like an engineered effort to make us feel
like we are. And I could also see the usefulness
of that that narrative if you really are engineering that
and weaponizing that against people.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
However, there does seem to be something that's that's coming.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
And you know, if you're looking at Blavotsky or or
what's the other Alice Bailey or any of these people
that are saying, oh, well, twenty twenty five is gonna
be this this new age.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Who's that other dude down there's a there's a third
or fourth person on the on the horizon, that is
he told us about I forgot his name. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Oh oh, oh, the guy that's supposed to be the
new Crowley. Yeah, we should have wrote his thing down,
but we said, that's fascinating, I want to talk to him.
And then we went never mind anyway, even even what's
her name? Baba vangas this idea twenty twenty five, we're gonna,
you know, chop it up with aliens, you know, put
that wherever you want. But when you put it into
conjunction with this idea, that like, yeah, there seems to
be a great awareness of these things happening and also

(01:00:45):
maybe a recruitment process in the subterranean cave systems of
southern Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
And these people what do you wait, what are you
think saying?

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
But it's like, yeah, but we have that's cool, right,
we have corresponding evidence of people that don't know each
other that are giving us the same not the same story,
but like very close to the same story.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
We're like, all right, well, well I'll tell you where
I'm at with it. And this is just consideration, this
is just possibilities. Because I have no idea. But I
talked to a lot especially. I used to talk to
a lot of people that claim to be involved in
the quote unquote secret space program. Now they claim to

(01:01:30):
you know, times Pacock at times be taken, you know,
against their will and they either are projected into a
clone's body that on a different planet where they go
and fight aliens and all these incredible stories.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yes, but I have had even around that's like Narnia esque.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Yes, but I've had people on that explain to me
that they claim to have been formally involved in these
and they claim to know what's really going on, which
is a complete mind control operation. That these people are
being implanted with these false memories of these realms and
implanted with memories of extraterrestrials and being abducted to perpetuate

(01:02:12):
this UFO narrative that is emerging right now. And what
better way to do that if you have people that
believe their stories that have actually been immersed in crazy
situations with aliens and they believe it wholeheartedly, but in
reality they were maybe just being injected with drugs or
who knows what kind of technology they have nowadays to

(01:02:36):
get people do this. I was talking Vicki Joy Anderson
about this very thing. She thinks people's dreams are being
hacked for this very purpose as well, that people are
being taken to these realms. She takes it to the
extreme of maybe they're even being groomed by gay aliens
to be gay in the future. There's some crazy possibilities, yes,

(01:03:00):
says that they're there. That the younger folks who are
experiencing sleep paralysis will have these sexual encounters with like
same sex beings that are repeated, you know, frequently. So
that's a that's a whole different weird thing. But another
reason I look at the possible like you know, military
industry and industrial involvement in some of this crazy alien

(01:03:25):
stuff is because there's so many people that when they
tell their abduction stories, there's like military dudes involved stand
in the corner like observing things.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
And this is one of the things he's us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Yes, dude, to me, that's a red flag. That's like
that says there's something else going on. And if we're
going we're on the if we are on the precipice
of anything big, I would think it has to do
with Ai.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I think AI is the aliens that we should really
be worried about, right now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
And like you know, Dartin Wilkinson says that she saw
those like flesh suits of alien grays just kind of
pile a corner. It's like to me, I go, okay,
we're talking like a biomechanical apparatus. And then who's who's
building them or who is commissioned to build them?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Are we building them?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Are they our craft? Are there's a spiritual component, sure,
but like are we building them? And are we building
the grays? Are they coming out of dumbs or something
like that, Like you know, like deep underground military bases.
A lot of these craft are seen coming in and
out of the ocean. There's that string structure off of
the coast of Malibu, California, where it looks like pillars.

(01:04:34):
There's like giant columns and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Been removed recently, hasn't it from Google Maps?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
And so you know, you start to imagine maybe these
things are coming in and out of the ocean and
maybe there really is this you know, uh operation where
they're creating these creatures in these deep underground military bases
and then using them maybe a spirit can inhabit. Then
maybe they're just automatons whatever. But like over and over again,
that element of military personnel is involved. And so for

(01:05:03):
me to you know, be able to and I won't,
I refuse to just jump to this idea that they're
space travelers or anything like that. Like they're in an
intimate working relationship with human beings on a military intelligence level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
So what the hell is this? I'm kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Leaning towards these days cooperation, well not just cooperation, but
like we made them. Yeah, maybe there is something like
historically speaking, human beings will be commissioned to create things,
they'll be inspired to create things by spiritual entities.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Is it the same thing that's happening now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah. I talked to Ryan Burns about this the other day.
He said that there's this genetic facility in the Unta
Basin that people speculate chimera's escape from that they're creating
with you know, genetic experiments. These werewolves and bigfoot beings
and crazy chimera that sometimes may escape from these facilities,

(01:06:03):
and that might account for some of the like crazy
cryptids and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
But going back to the military, wait a second before
we go back to that, we have another unfounded conspiracy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Y founded claim, highly speculative, low information.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Very low information. No, but the idea of like the
Canadian wilderness right now in state parks in America that
are flying the flag upside down, but we know that
they're finding people up to twenty thousand dollars in some
cases that have stepped into the forest in certain parts
of Canada, like the more like wild parts of Canada. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Yeah, So, and there's this idea that there's a program.
I don't know if you've ever heard of this program.
There's only one schizophrenic iy I can find talking about this,
and he seems to be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
A fake account fuer.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
But that's where I get all my information from. And
so there's this program called e Dan which is a
playoff of Eden. And it's this idea that there are
these creatures being created in deep underground military bases. Used
to be a CIA funded UH feeding program for them
called meals on Wheels, which is where they would just
feed them human beings for whatever reason because that's convenient,
but that those that sort of dried.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Us not convenient. Again, it's like if it if they're
if these entities may taste best, Yeah, I mean, maybe
there has to be some sort of sentience to who
knows who knows what the think they got to torture
and they got a drink their dreaming from to their
sustenance would actually make sense for I'm just saying, we're
just whatever, man, this is all the truth, right, so

(01:07:31):
so and and that at some point this meals on
wheels deal kind of dried up. Well, it's not. It's
not even at some point that the crazy part is
that it would track when you're you're talking about what
the mercy and everything that No, no, no, it's not.
Even more more like geopolitics or politics in general, after Elon,
after Elon must sort of cleaned it up with doge I.

(01:07:54):
Forget the name of the organization. It's not a pack.
It's a different organization that funds basically everything, and once
that was that organization was cut off, you see a
lot of these, like the branches basically.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Withering away, or if you look at the whole QAnon
things that helped me out the idea that sometime after
twenty twenty, like so many human trafficking rings were busted
up and broken up that their supply ran low, which
is why Chris, you know, that joke goes on running
every time something us AI d thank you forbidding red Beard, Yeah,
forbidden red Beard crushing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
The usa i D is one of those feeder programs
to like, I mean hundreds, yeah of that. They like
to say, oh it's it's a but it's not necessarily
a democrat op. This thing goes into Republican programs as well.
It's just dark programs that get that get funded through
usai D that's been raided by a doge which is
kind of run by Elon Musk and now that's dried up.

(01:08:47):
So if you're if you're looking at some of these
agencies that have lost funding, which a ton have and
maybe maybe maybe but also again just to add more
fuel to the fireways, we're out of Afghanistan, so the
poppy trade there and the things that we were doing
there with those black operations are now dead. And we
like we got out of there in a hurry too.
We left the whole bunch of stuff behind me, like

(01:09:08):
we just got to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
But so if all that money was going towards feeding
chimeric goatman, just maybe maybe now at some point do
you go all right, goat man, I get that you're
hungry and you're cranky, and go go on there and
then David Polaiti's goes, all these people are missing, and
you know, so, so what I'm saying, Chris, is that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Right, dude, I don't know. It's because I have a
friend in Louisiana that was a major subject of my
first film, well called Louisiana, who has regular encounters with
a sasquatch. His first experience, he went out into the

(01:09:51):
woods and he saw through the scope of his rifle
not only a sasquatch, but he claims there was a
dog man chilling with the sa A were wolf and
a sasquatch chilling together.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Not uncommon. I think I've heard this story. This might
be the same story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
And if he looked through the scope of the gun
and then they started to telepathically communicate that where wolf
was like I'm gonna come over there, rip that gun
out of your hands and fucking kill you, and the
sasquatch was like, nah, you shouldn't do that. He's not
he's not harmful. And Scott freaks out and you know,
exit the woods. He turns back to look and see
and there's like four eight foot tall hairy creatures following

(01:10:29):
him out. He claims to make sure, he makes it
out of there, but after that it like cracks open
his perception. He's having shit in her house at the
middle of the night, leaving bigfoot footprints looking through his window,
telepathic communication from weird things, and then it all of
a sudden. Last year, he's being abducted by aliens all
of a sudden, so's together.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
This is once again, Nathaniel gillis the phenomenon, right? It
just takes the appearance or is it really like a
like a bunch of beings or is it one thing
that can just masquerade? But these things, it's like, remember
when Bigfoot was just a big footed you know, and
now he's with aliens and orbs.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
And he said he saw little, tiny bigfoot creatures that
would come out of holes in the ground as smoke
and then would form into a physical being. Geez, dude,
what the fuck is that? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
It's really hard to deal with. I like to think
that I can think of all kinds of shit, and
I go, I didn't have it. I just I looked
up because I was like, where do I plug.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
That piece in? And I just don't have a piece
to plug that into.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
I mean, I know the smoke thing, right, you'll see that,
especially like I had a demonic encounter and he was dude,
was you know he was all covered in for effect?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, well it was. It was effective. He was covered
in like a black, swirling smoke.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I just I don't know. I think the smoke is
like it's like, well, it's part of it because metaphysically
we have to do or it's just like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Well, think about plasma. Yeah, I mean not plasma when
when what do they do when you have a seance?
Everybody holds hands together? Oh, the ectoplasm ectoplasm, right, it
looks like an organic smoke. It moves like smoke, but
it's almost like a tangible it's almost closer to a liquid.
And and these channelers or whatever in uh this is

(01:12:24):
you see this in like a haunted house in Ohio
or so, I forget what the hell the name of
the haunting in Connecticut? I think is when they show
this in a movie, when the channeler is channeling, it starts,
ectoplasm starts to come out of its his nose, his mouth.
I don't know if it killed him in the movie,
but that's supposedly based off of like real events. But

(01:12:47):
there are these old accounts of these people who are
having these spiritual encounters or they're channeling spiritual encounters. They're speaking,
the spirit is speaking through them to the individuals at
the table, and ectoplasm is present. It's coming out of
the individual who speak and and it looks it resembles smoke.
One of those things that doesn't really come up in
conversation anymore. Ectoplasma.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I think it's been kind of made comedic by like Ghostbusters,
Slimer and stuff like that, which also listen dan Ackroyd,
he knows what he knows. What's up, dude. I was, yeah,
I mean I was. I was just scrolling through Netflix
and you see like cone Heads. I'm like, this guy knows.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
He's like super into UFOs and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
That's what I was just gonna say. Yeah, yeah, he's
very into the paran I mean, I think he does
a great we need. I wish we had like a
modern day dan Akro. I mean, it would be Tim Dillon,
but like making these sort of movies because he's introduced
he introduced these concepts to you know, the general public,
and it's it's done in a very funny way. But
Ghostbusters is a banger Cone Heads is one of these

(01:13:48):
movies that last forever, and it's just kind of but
it tells you the story of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
What this is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I gotta get this to z Man. If you get it,
you get it. That's a very funny.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
That's very, very funny. He's one of the funniest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I hate him. It's mostly pissed. Oh my god. Okay,
so so let's let's.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Get back into this this documentary. I mean, is there
anything else you could you could tell us about it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Where did what?

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
What sort of what did you learn throughout the process.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I learned that I don't know shit about ship, but
I mean it's I learned that if I could take
away one thing is that our perception is going to
heavily affect the nature of any given paranormal experience. If
the way we perceive things may manifest a certain outcome

(01:14:42):
during these experiences. I have spoken with people who have
immersed themselves and things like this with you know, high
level individuals. You could say like Ryan Burns. I was
telling you that he has billionaires and people come out

(01:15:03):
there with all kinds of equipment and something called an
angue lamp, which basically it recreates a psychedelic experience using
some kind of technology that emitst these waves, you know,
within a certain distance. But he's having all these people
come out to his property and do these experiments, and

(01:15:25):
he tells me about him sometimes, and they are required
to leave any you know, negative baggage at the door.
They can't come in there with any like negative thoughts
or feelings because that will manifest into whatever they're doing.
If everybody's like, you know, cool and what you would say,
vibrating high, all the experiences will be positive. So that's

(01:15:49):
something interesting that you know, I kind of came away with,
although I don't know really what it means. But another
thing is a lot of what we understand as paranormal
has been weaponized, and it goes back to the military
industrial complex. I will never be the same after what
I saw at Space Wolf Research Center. As soon as

(01:16:13):
it turned dark at night. First of all, you see
the UFOs shooting across the sky just like that. Huh yeah,
it's dude, They're everywhere, Like I have never seen so
many things that I can't identify just zipping across the
sky at night. You know. Some of them were planes,
some of them were satellites, but much of the stuff
I had no idea what it was. Then, on the MESA,

(01:16:36):
you see these lights manifests that get real bright and white,
and then these little dots shoot out of them, like
something like a portal's opening and something is shooting out
of the portal. Well, while all this stuff is happening,
Ryan goes and gets night vision goggles for us, and
he says, just look around at the landscape. We start

(01:16:57):
looking around and there are people, like shadows of people
walking around all over the place, shining these purple lasers.
You can see the outline of rifles to some of them.
It is black ops teams surrounding the area shining these
lasers at us, shining all this equipment at us. Who

(01:17:17):
knows what they're doing? He says, they do all kinds
of exotic testing on people that just come out there
to observe the phenomena that they're actually testing exotic weaponry
on people just going out there, yes all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Over to ask dude, how are you what are you
going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
What are you gonna do? He's like, I can't do
anything about this. They're they're like always here and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Property.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
But yeah, apparently a lot of the things that people
are witnessing. I'll give you an example. He said that
his friend was attacked by these nanobots, these self assembling
nanotechnology that at first was a tornado. It shape shifted
into a coyote and then shape shifted into this. All

(01:18:05):
they could just say was this monster creature that took
one of his friends and lifted him off up the
ground and pinned him against the trailer. This is self
assembling nanotechnology that he claims is from our military. That
this isn't like a ghost or demon or anything. He said,
this was legit military technology that did this. Because he

(01:18:26):
said he's seen it before, he see it. He seemed
shit like this being tested.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Do you think that the area has gotten such a
reputation for high strangeness that it creates a veil of
like plausible deniability so you can presperate there, do whatever
the hell you want because it's Skinwalker Ranch Baby, and
weird shit happens here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Yeah, I mean, weird shit does happen there. You get
the skin Walker stories all the time. I don't know
if you heard Ryan's recent appearance on sam Same show,
Yeah Ye, where he talked about those three dudes, Well,
he told me that story too, where you know, they
three fucking guys were had canine features, they had eyeshine
like canines. They were leaping over fences unlike any human

(01:19:09):
could ever do. Next day they're found with gunshot wounds.
I mean, you know, there is some very unexplainable crazy
shit that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
It's just for the for the audience. It was like
those guys or they weren't really in a guy form, right,
they were in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
They were gonna semi guy form. They said that they
all looked like you know, they did didn't have but
like shorts on, they didn't have shirts on. They looked
mostly human, but when they looked at him, you could
see canine eyeshine, and they all moved in synchronicity, like
they all sat down like dogs at the same time,

(01:19:47):
and they all got up and leaped towards them and
started running like dogs on all fours at the same time.
So just fucking super creepy shit. But he claims that
they're the members of the Ute tribe. We're doing these
rituals there where they can project themselves as like animals
by using you know, some kind of black magic ritual

(01:20:09):
and the pelt of an animal can do some crazy
shit like that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Yeah, that's like, so when they when they found these
guys dead in their trailers, which apparently were separated by
like roughly a half an hour each, their trailers were
filled with like all kinds of pelts from different animals, bones,
and it was clearly they were doing some sort of rituals.
But even the pelts themselves were like, you know, you
could have done some jail time for having certain animal
pelts there. It wasn't like a legal thing that you

(01:20:33):
could poach. And these Native American guys just had a
gang of them in their in their trailers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
And then yeah, the interesting that they would they would
eat the bullets even though they're kind of like a
astral projecting into the see.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
He says he could go both ways. He said, sometimes
it seems that there's actual people shape shifting into different creatures.
They're physically out there and appearing or shape shifting into
different beings.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Heard that apparently, we've heard that on on Merkel show
as well, although that that account was a little strange.
The guy who said he was dating, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Merkel holds too that he understands how strange it was,
and I think the guy just you know, uh, you're
asking average people to come on and tell an extraordinary
experience and then try not to slip into some weird
ass way of describing it. So so Merkele says, as
far as he's concerned, that was it was a it
was a true story. But yeah, that you're dealing with, uh,
the skin there is one thing, but lotars know you're

(01:21:32):
dealing with it was like liking, right, that's I guess
that would be the terminology for.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
The actual werewolf people, which you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Know sounds insane until you keep hearing testimony after testimony
after testimony and you go like, I don't know, man,
is there is there something here?

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
And I'm to the point now where I'm like, why
not Chris stated a lizard? Yeah, dude, why not? I
mean Teala Tequila was. We were talking the other day
about it. I don't know if she was a lizard.
I think she will. You keep saying Teala Tequila was
a lizard and I don't. I don't know the story.
Like I said, the story was a billy Corgan was

(01:22:11):
sleeping with her. That's just it's just told you that.
Are you going to keep your sources to yourself. I
don't remember the source, so I keep my But he
did tell the story on again where he was sleeping
with somebody famous, and then later on I hear that
it is Tela Tequila and at the point of orgasm,
mass slips and he sees lizard person. Yeah, it just

(01:22:35):
comes off her face and then comes on her. You know,
this is a.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Christian this is a Christian show. I'm sorry, and I
won't again, and I promise not to do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I won't. I won't say that anymore. You know what
I did here.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
The same thing happens with crones, right, So a crone
will will lead you into a sexual encounter and then
you know when it's when it's time to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
You know, finish, finish. All of a sudden, she's like,
it's something about the sexual Yeah, the sexual energy, like
the transfer of it where it's just like I just
like time to show you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Well, you know why, because you're not gonna stop. Like
that's just they know it's time to nut.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
You've come this far. You've come pretty far.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
So you know, it makes me thinking, looking back, I
might have I should have taken advantage of that while
you know, while she was still in that form.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
I mean, you know, eight feet tall is it's an experience, man, strong.
It's like, while you're there, put up this picture. I've
had a picture. Would you mind?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
I've got this furniture to move you gigantic bit? I
almost say they almost swore, but I didn't swear because
it's a Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
WHOA what happened? Oh, don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
We're good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Never mind, we had a little electrical thing and this
you know what? That that was God being like, there's
a Christian show. You gotta stop doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I want to ask you. You said that you had
been you've been to space.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yes, I spent the night over there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Are you are those days behind you? Are you still
interested in doing that sort of?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
I don't want to go back there, man, I really
don't like that was probably enough for me. It's things
that I can't control like that. It's just, you know,
I'd rather be in a safe spiritual space than put
myself into spiritual danger, basically because I felt that negative

(01:24:28):
energy the whole time I was out. It's this weird
kind of foreboding, oppressive energy that makes you want to
look around your shoulder all the time, it just feels
like something's watching it was. It wasn't It wasn't too fun.
But I don't know if I'd ever go out there again.
But I have to tell you the one of the

(01:24:49):
craziest stories Ryan told me, and this is as legit
paranormal as it gets. The Satanist guy who was on
his property.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Is gonna ask about him, like, I was, like, this
guy something more here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Yes he does. He for some reason was staying in
the main tree and Ryan's main trailer for a week
or so. I don't know why. But when Ryan gets back,
he had these sigils painted inside his trailer all over
with this black substance that he couldn't identify. Well, he

(01:25:21):
goes to clean it off, and it's not coming off
with water. It's not coming off with soap and water,
it's not coming off with anything. He tries all kinds
of different chemicals. This shit is not coming off.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
One of his UT tribe friends comes over, and this
guy is a member of a U tribe, but he's
also a Christian and he says, the only thing that's
going to work on that is holy water, and Ryan's like, bullshit, bullshit.
So they go to their local church. They pick up
some holy water, and he said, as soon as he

(01:25:54):
splashed it on there, it like evaporated in this like
many explosion. And that's all they had to do was
throw holy water on it and the situation disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
A lot a lot of questions. Here is Ryan still renting.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
To this guy Aspars? I know, yes, I like him,
I like, I like your.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Style, but it's crazy hefty security deposit. Yeah, dude, listen
you if you put like sigils on my wall that
I got to take off with holy water, you are out, dog,
you gotta go. You're gone. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
You know what's interesting is that that black go not
only does it show itself in like you know, purchase
when was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
What what did you vomit up?

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Dog?

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
That's what I was saying, Yeah, but it also shows
itself up. So I was I was talking to Jamie
Henshaw Dyer and something have to have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Her on again as well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
So there was like an interaction she was getting in
with somebody and she said, what if demon demonic like
possession or things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I'm paraphrasing terribly, is actually just like black mold.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
And I said, what if parasites and black mold are
actually organic conduits for negative spiritual energy, negative conductors, like
maybe there's something about it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
And then and then she.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Said, like, ah, that's it, and she drowned an episode
on me. She had like a whole episode. I didn't
I didn't watch it because I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Rude, but something crazy. So right where we're sitting, actually,
oh good, that's great. Here are humans right No, no,
like a right here, there's actually a beam that's holding
up the wall. Because this was a staircase. I had
like a there's another staircase on the other side, and
it was a double staircase. This was a whole different thing.
We made it into a room office, but right here
on this wall was black mold. Yeah, in the shape

(01:27:43):
of it, in the shape of a man hextag it was.
It was black mold. But it was coming from the
upstairs because in the air condition in that that separate
room that we have upstairs, there's like another unit upstairs,
and it was like doing a slow drip for god
knows how long we didn't. It was probably since before
we even brought the house, because it was like behind
the wall. So when we ripped out the staircase, and uh,

(01:28:03):
we saw that we had. We got it all treated,
scraped it up and painted it and got rid of it.
Same room that the girl left the underwear in, Oh underwear.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
No, no, nobody's nobody's following you around watching you watched
the show, Chris, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Every episode is about it go on. We had we
had somebody when I first literally when I first moved
in here, we hosted a comedy show. Uh, an old
friend brought his girlfriend and they stood over in this room.
These people sleep a lot, they're very tired. Girl's a
little weird. While we're doing we're actually doing the comedy
show in a podcast. Downstairs, the girl and another girl

(01:28:46):
are running up and down and they're laughing. My aunt
sees this. My aunt who's also been on the show.
She's got some demonic encounters and possibly still passenger, but
she sees this, finds it weird. And I'm doing a thing,
so I don't know what they're doing. Anyway, next day happens,
they sleep in really late. Everybody else leaves. A guy

(01:29:09):
comes to unload my parents' trucks. Were like, like I said,
we just got here, we're moving in And then they
come down out into the yard to say goodbye. This
random guy that I don't know recognizes the girl and
they have a stare off. It's crazy, like they if
lukes could kill, that's what happened there. And I'm just like,

(01:29:29):
what the hell was that? So I don't say anything,
and I continue to help the guy move my parents
in his truck and all that, and then he just
looks at me and goes, you know that girl And
I said no, and he goes, that girl is a witch,
no no bones about it. And I was like, I
wasn't doing this show, wasn't even thinking about anything spiritual
like that at the time, So I was just like
a right weird. Months later, my entire family gets sick,

(01:29:54):
like my kids. Starts with my kids, we get them
squared away, goes to my wife. She's messed up to
the point where it's like lime disease. Who knew she
even had it? And it ran the gamut. She was
like bedridden for a month. It was crazy. We got
rid of all that stuff. And it's even crazier story
as you continue. But like in that room after the

(01:30:15):
girl left, my wife cleans it out and she goes
and in within the sheets is a pair of soiled panties,
filthy panties that she's left. And it's like we made
fun of it, we made jokes, and then like it
was only like years later until like other things unfolded. Friendship. Yeah,
in hindsight, like somebody on this show was saying something

(01:30:38):
and I was like, that happened to me. Like they
were talking about artifacts being left in places. Yeah, and
I was like, that actually happened to me. And then
put that, put that together with like the like the guy,
this girl's a witch. And then there's black mold. But no,
for sure, black mold, parasites and artifacts, witchcraft, these are
all the same things.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Man Atmas said because he made a joke that some
people pay good money for panties. Wait a second, now,
if you're a if you're a you know, some wicked chick,
and you're you're, you know, trying to nasty panties to people,
and you got a little spiritual don't stop, unbelievable, and

(01:31:18):
you got a little spiritual hold on all your your clientele.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Now you're doing sex magic. Yes, Sydney Sweeney bathwater soap.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Right with the hole in the middle when they're doing that.
I think they're doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Yeah, yeah, well I had a guest, uh, I had
to guess Phoenix or really is he's a magic practitioner,
but is that his real name? I don't know. But
he's claims that there is a mass kind of epidemic
of younger kids dabbling in witchcraft and fucking up their

(01:31:51):
lives completely, having getting sick, dying, getting demonic possession, all
for the TikTok you know, the TikTok witch craze er
whatever that they're doing. But it's according to him, it's
an epidemic, and like, you know, kids are being fucked
up because they're practicing black magic. And you're right on
with the parasite thing. Have you ever seen parasites through

(01:32:12):
a microscope?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Looks demons.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Yeah that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
You know, I think Keisha in the in the chat
is actually the one who She didn't say it, but
I remember she said it on Twitter. I believe that
that black mold thing being a conduit for negative spiritual
energy is you know, kind of the premise of Stranger Things.
And then I was like, oh my god, dude, Yeah,
you don't get a spooky movie or a spooky show

(01:32:39):
without the walls being covered in like black molder, black goo,
and even the the you know, the whole thing where
there's like a portal and it leads to the upside.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Down, like everything is black mold in there. And it's
such a common.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
Mechanism in in in movies and shows that are like
horror based that it goes over your head because it's
just like now, it's what you imagine the scenario would
look like, you know, like, oh, yeah, if you want
to make a spooky.

Speaker 1 (01:33:10):
Set, like get some black mold and shit on the walls,
Like that's a good move.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
And yeah, in Stranger Things, it's like this organic black
goo on the walls surrounding the portals and everything. I'm like,
they do this, they put it right in front of
you and and it just it's so it's utilized so often.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
Didn't think, dude, man, I mean my godparents in they
live in Staten Island, but their life has been kind
of like a mess and such a mess to the
point where they got a hole in their ceiling in
their living room because there was like a water leak damage.
They just don't even fix it. Like there's a lot
of alcoholism, there's a lot of craziness, but like there's

(01:33:50):
clearly black mold within the rafters and they have never
addressed it, and I'm like, your life's completely upside down.
I was like I would start with that, the mold.
Maybe I would get that out of there, Like like
you can do things to yourself, Like physically you can pray,
you can do a lot of these things, but physically
right now, your the externalities in your house are it's

(01:34:10):
just a bad place.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
And that's interesting because to Chris's story, it's like, yeah,
you can have you could pray and all this other stuff,
but what ad that entity is, Like, Yo, Doug, you
probably got to stop doing the pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
You should probably eat healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Yeah, and get that right first, because yeah, there's a
lot of spiritual things you could do, but like you're
in the physical.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Let me let me just say, I think what happened
to my wife, if if I'm correct, if this was
like a spiritual attack, if this was witchcraft that happened
to her, we fixed it. We didn't. We weren't like
praying at the time, Like I didn't think I had
I had rejected my old Christianity because I had a

(01:34:50):
big falling out of the church. So at the time
what we did was like, all right, what can we do.
We tried Western, the Western Medical Center, the Western Medical Tactics,
and they want to put her on medication that would
she would be on for the rest of her life.
Like that's a no. Then we went the holistic route,
which is like it's basically science, right, but we did

(01:35:10):
IV infusions of vitamin see, glued to thione, things like that,
and she was on it's like a very expensive parasite
cleanses supplements that were targeting specific parts of her body, flushes,
the sauna machine we had and you know what, that
regiment cleared her up. So it's like, but I'm sure

(01:35:31):
that if we would have prayed or like like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
When it's route some temporary alleviation, but it's like you
got to deal with the physical as well, because like
these things are the same.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
They're married, they're married, they work hand in hand. Yeah,
and that worked for us. And the funny thing too,
is like soon after we start doing this show, all
the sponsors, like the early sponsors of the show, Parasite
Cleansed Company, Matt Rife with his Rife oil, all the
stuff that we were using to get my wife on
her feet that I like cost me tons of money.
It was given right back to us. Kind of crazy,

(01:36:00):
I guess that's how it works.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
Right, Yeah. Man, I think that the parasite thing is
a huge epidemic right now. And if you look at
some of the things that they can cause, they can
be like voices in your head telling you to, you know,
do things. It actually causes manifestations like that. And you know,
you're feeding your body, like you know, to have these

(01:36:25):
parasites that cause you to curage sugar, and all you're
doing is shoving sugar in your body, and that's causing
you know, more and more diseases and sickness, and it
just builds up, and it's a perpetual effect that attracts
more parasites and different kind of parasites. So I think
that the physical side, like you're saying, is just as
equally important to address as any of the spiritual stuff,

(01:36:47):
because I didn't really immerse myself into the spiritual things
until later, especially implementing, you know, teachings of Jesus Christ
and knowing that that is going to be my mind belief.
And you know, I've come to understand that belief is
such an important thing. If you going through life and
you don't believe anything, it's probably going to be a

(01:37:08):
very difficult, difficult life for you to get through because
that belief has such power. And if you're connecting to
something that is powerful as a belief on its own,
like as powerful as the belief in Jesus Christ, just
that word, you guys know, has immense power when it
comes to the paranormal realms and entities, the entire I

(01:37:34):
guess realm of Christianity as it relates to the teachings
of Jesus solely. The teachings of Jesus are such a
powerful I don't want to say aggregor because I believe
it's a real thing, but it has such powerful energy
that you can apply it to almost anything and it
has an effect to it. And that's why I believe,

(01:37:55):
that's why I turn to the teachings of Jesus Christ,
because I think it is one of the most powerful
and effective tools we have in this matrix reality, whatever
this is, to navigate it. That is, you know, part
of our guess, you could say, you know, celestial spiritual
heritage is to connect with that, and it's it's a

(01:38:17):
very powerful energy to go through life with Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
I want to ask you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
We're coming up on the two hour mark, and before
I get into our final question, I want to ask
you do you do you have a are you working
on anything else? And if you seem like a guy
that's just doing a lot, what else you got cooking?

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
I am always doing the podcast. I have the Forbidden
Knowledge Network where we feature about twelve other podcasts. We
put out clips and promote those. But I am also
working on my third film, which is going to be
a sci fi comedy mockumentary type of film, and I'm

(01:38:57):
working on the script for that right now. But I
didn't realize how fucking hard it is to write a script,
so that may that may take a little time to finish.
But that is my next project. And uh, I'm gonna
try and get some close friends involved, some probably some
faces that you guys recognize as well, and uh and
have a good time with that. But yeah, I'm always

(01:39:18):
working on projects and new things. But the one constant
is for Good Knowledge News. We do like six shows
a week on there and on all podcast platforms.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Very cool. Yeah, I just like you know, when you
see people in our space.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
It's it's interesting because you can kind of just do
a show and and if if the content is good
and and you know, it's compelling, then you're gonna get
pretty far. But it's it's cool when people are doing
something above and beyond. We were actually asking ourselves that
the other day. It was like, what are we are
we guys in chairs in front of a camera?

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
For for for hundreds and hundreds of episodes? Or or
do we do other things that are fun? And you know,
we we do live events and and documentaries and such
and you know, so it's just it's cool to see.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Uh well, I look at my life and it's it's
very difficult to find a time when I'm actually not working,
when I'm actually not trying to do something for the show.
I mean, I have to make myself stop and take
a break. You're gonna take this day off, You're gonna
take a couple of days off because you're going fucking nuts.
I have to force myself to stop because I'm actually
working like twenty four to seven now, and I really

(01:40:25):
don't even notice it because it's you know, it's just
such a wonderful thing to being able to do. I
get to talk to about weird shit all day and
make a living from it and mean, hell, man, I'm
fucking blessed.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
So that mean that brings me to my next question,
which I believe you've already answered, but final question of
the show. Answer it again, Answer it again? Are you
having fun?

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I'm having the best time of my life. Man. I've
never been never been happier, never been more spiritually fulfilled,
and I've never had less fear than I do in
my life. Now there's I don't worry about shit like
I always did. I'm not, you know, constantly worried about
is the reptilian is gonna come and butt plug me?

(01:41:08):
Or is the end of the world around the corner? No,
I just kind of flow with everything because I know
that I have that belief. I have that way home
in a sense through JC. And that's like such a
powerful like tool to have to navigate because it gives
you that comfort, because it gives you that knowing that

(01:41:32):
no matter what else anybody else is doing, You're gonna
be good because you got this. So That's where I'm
at with everything. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
I love that's a great attitude to have. That's kind
of where I'm at as well. I'm like, I'm having fun.
I'm not too worried, but I'm still like, we're still working,
we're still doing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
And if they do stuff, you know, hunt us down
and and butt plug us whatever, if like an eight
foot tall yeah, lizard in a nightgown.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
But I got to make fun of it. Yeah, you
know that's what they're like. Oh, they're working on a
new virus.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
I'm like, well, you just you do you bend over
and you spread them wider.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Yeah, come on, yeah, I tell you that. All you got.
If you're going to do a new virus, just make
it strong enough to kill me. Yeah that's right. Yeah,
and I'm going to make fun of it too. Yeah,
go for it. Do do your best. But all right, man,
thank you, thank you again. And uh guys, Forbidden Knowledge
News dot for Forbidden Knowledge Dot News, Uh Forbidden Knowledge News,

(01:42:32):
the podcast. Go check him out, watch his documentaries.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
I'm watching I'm legitimately watching it tonight. I'm excited for that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
That was such a banger of a trailer. You got hype, Yeah,
I got hype. I was pumped. Was all my favorite
people and it was all my favorite topics. It was
very very very good, Chris, very good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Yeah man, thank you everyone. Go check that out Amazon Prime.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
Absolutely all right, guys, and uh, until next time. Whenever
I get this layout correct, don't forget. And I'm just
taking my time with it. To obey, submit, and comply.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
The grace is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Plaster is a oblock box in the corner of the rooms.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
It is constantly selling us what the really is real.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
He will straight.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
What they've seen with their eyes, what there is to see.

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