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August 10, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Said, I see that you observe days and months, and
seasons and years. I am afraid I have labored over
you in vain. Now Here we are the crowded weeks
of observing these different days. This is the seasons, and

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naturally the year. What did Paul give to the world.
What he gave to the world, is this that the
spirit of God and the human imagination are one? He said.

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We did not receive the spirit of the world, but
the spirit which is from God, that we may understand
the gifts bestowed upon us by God. Here is the

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one that became the many, that the many may become
the one. For one must be all and comprehend within
itself all things, both small and great. Is the world.

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All that I behold that repairs without it is within
in my imagination, of which this world is more. Therapy
is but a shadow. So when we are told and I,
if I be lifted up, I will lift all men
and draw all men unto me. Now we are told

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he is lifted up. Wherefore all men are already redeemed,
but they have to experience it within themselves. They are
already redeed. But in this world mortality, this must be.

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Now I would say, repeat it within the individual, for
he must contain an experience all within himself. There is
only God in this world. God only acts and is

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in existing beings or men. So let me share with
your story is given to me last Friday night. This
lady's husband's name is Ray. When I use the word Ray,
I am speaking of her husband. The last year, Ray

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said to me, it's going to cost a thousand dollars
to put on a roof a new route. We need
the roof. That'll cost a thousand dollars. She didn't say,
they did not put don't afford it. He says that
I saw the new route right then, and there I
saw the new root thy thing, said. I was working

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at my sewing machine. It's an old one, but it
was adequate. It did the job. But I would like
a new one, he said, And so I imagine a new one.
There is the old one, but I imagine the new one.

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Then I was putting away my tape recorder, and I
felt how hurting this thing is. I would like a
new light weight one. I put the old one way
to everyone, but I thought I would like a new
one that is light a weight. Try. I put it

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away the new one that was light of weight. Thenk
you said, Ray said to me, my new shoes hurt.
He did bought them and they were hurting. Why wanting
him to have shoes did not hurt? In my imaginations.

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All this was last year. Then came the turn of
the calendar year and we had a robbery. No, they
didn't steal the roots, but they took the other move
of objects. And this past week I got a segment

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from the insurance company bought me for two thousand and
f our dollars. I now have my nice new sewing machine.
I have my nice lightweight tape recording ray. Shoes do

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not hurt, and there is money for the root and
much much much leftover. Now who instigated the rabble? Now
on Friday you will hear if you go to service.

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There are seven words on the cross, three taken from Luke,
three from John and one from Matthew and marks the
same one from Matthew Mark, which is the fourth one?
My god, my god, why has thouto second? That's the
one taken from these two ruscal But the first one

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used on the cause is from Luke. Father, forgive them,
for they know not what they do. Everything is moving
under compulsion. No one sees the invisible causation. No one

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sees the invisible imaginal acts that is putting pressure upon
everyone who will think in a certain direction to the
form the needed act to produce the imaginal act that
is completely unseen by the world. Every natural act, natural

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effect has a spiritual cause. I'm not a natural a
natural call. He's seen. It is a delusion of the
fading vegetable memory. Now. In her letter to me, she said,

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these things I remember all last year, but I remember them.
In her case, she is blessed that he could remember.
When Ray stated her it's going to cost one thousand
dollars to put on the new route, and I thought
the new route, even at the moment, maybe we thought

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we could not now afford the new roots. When I
knew my sewing machine, it was adequate, it was good,
it did the job. But I would like a new one.
And I saw a new one. And when I put
away my tape recording, it's all right. It was adequate,

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but it was heavy. When I put it away, I thought,
I've seen all these nice new light weight on and
I would like a nice light weight one. Good one. Now,
she said I have all of them. I have my
nice new lightweight, my new machine raised jews. They do

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not hurt, and the root will be a new one.
The money is there and much less over us. So
the first cry on the cross, father, forgive them. They
know not what they do. They're all the three moving
under compulsion, and men and women unwittingly, most of them,

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some witty, are setting the whole thing in motion, and
there's simply moved. For someone given to the feeling of
getting something for nothing, so he takes the stack recorder.
If he sells it for anything, that's problem. They cost
him nothing, matter what it cost her. Whatever he could

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get for it, that was sheer profit. If he goes
out and find something that he stole for one hundred
and he could move it quickly for fifteen dollars, one
gets the bargain. He made fifteen dollars it cost him nothing.
Is invested with nothing. And there are those in the
world who think that way. They all passing through the furnaces.

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So the first word on the cross, a word on
the croos, does not mean a single word is a
completed thought. So the shortest word is I did. But
the two words then the next one from John is
it is finished the three words all right, till it

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is one word when you take the seven words. So
the first word is from Loop for the forgiven they
know not what they do. And then comes Luke. Second,
then come John's purse, then comes as Matthew and Mark,

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and then comes too from John. And then Luke completes
him father into thy hands. I commit my spirit. When
he said, and this little sunctuation mark has been pushed
around in the second word on the class, which is
from Luke, and the piece turns to him and ask

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him to have mercy on it. And he said, the
whole life. Say on the today, thou shouting with me
in paradise, But you could alter the sunctuation market. But
the comma after today, but no leave a guess if
it is behold, I say unto you today I shout

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leave with me in paradise. This is now resurrection. And
I when I am lifted up, I will draw all
men under me. For all things are in my own
wonderful human imagination. And I am all imaginations. So when

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I am lifted up, I draw all At the very moment,
I draw them all with me. But they in the
digital must have the experience that I have had. But
they are already redeemed because I took them up with things.
Because all things exist in the human imagination. And anyone

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who is resurrected, but he can't be resurrected and leave
behind him any part of themselves. So the whole that
world is raised up with him. I am telling you
experience the heavenly called a scene when this thing took place.
They see the fall, actual fall into divisions, and the

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resurrection into unity. Let's sing it out and then the
regeneration through resurrections from the day. We actually sing it
out and the word it is finished. I heard it,
but I didn't sing it. The heavenly colors sang it

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when I walked by, and everyone was made perfect, that
I was perfect. And then at the very end the
chorus sang out, it is finishing. That was the sixth
word on the course, and the last one is when
that garment comes done. That is the thirty first song,

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the fifth verse into thy hands, I commit my spirit
complete the first thou hast redeemed me, Oh Lord, fill God.
That was the promise to the beginning. I would fall
into divisions and become fragmented, dwelling in all that not

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a thing in this well could be apart from me,
because how could I be apart from something that I'm
going to influence? Because all things, by a Lord divine
in one another's being mingle. If I'm not penetrating you,
now I couldn't see you, you couldn't hear if I
did not penetrate you, and you penetrate me. So all things,

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by a Lord divine in one another's being mingle. So
when I am looked it up, I take with me
my entire universe, my whole bath word, knowing that every
one that is now shattered in that world will have
a repetition of the same experiences. For one fell into

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divisions and then resurrected into unity, bringing all back together
into the one. So in her case, I can't tell
you how thankful I am that she shared it with
that she could now actually feel that the rock which

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seemed at the moment of the shock. She lost, the
tape recorder, she lost this, all the movable optics. Then
came the settlement from the insurance company for two thousand
and fifty dollars, which replaced these with the new ones.
All the light and enough to put on the root

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and then still left there. So Father forgives them. Yes,
the thieves of thieves. It's yourself pushed out anyway where
someone is to night accused for feeling. Maybe one couple
a little top or saucer. And yet the bank drive

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bank the right to California Bank. They're still looking for
the internal field who stole fifty million dollars last year
from their subsidiaries in Castle in Switzerland, the sea million dollars,
and they know it all is on the inside. It

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can only be on the inside by trusted employees. They
think they can bring it down to six six fasted employees.
They can't quite put their fingers on it because in
Britain they're all these strange hidden accounts. But they are

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missing fifty million dollars. So someone goes into the bank
and holds it up and gets a thousand dollars I
mean balloon. The whole thing. The other thing is high hush.
There is a bank in Illinois a few months ago
solve the seven million dollars. And the still can't fight

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but their finger on how it happened on the inside.
No one came in a robing, and we speak of
the little shoplifting on the outside, and the battle girls
goes off the jail or the little boy goes off
the jail. I'm not condoning it. If you could stop
the investment from the inside, your diffidence would jump from

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its friends little three percent of four percent to twenty percent.
You can only stop it from the inside. Things happened
really in the true cents of the word, from the inside,
so that every sot all act in the outer world

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that seems so well a cause in itself. May I
tell you every natural effect has a spiritual imaginal call,
and not a natural A natural cause only seen is
the delusion of what the paging memory men can quite

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remember parding luckily. She remembered when Ray said, we could
use and need a new root, but it will cost
one thousand dollars, and so that's put into the future.
She remembered when he complained the new shoes were hurting

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in her mind's eyes. She revised it instantly at that moment,
the roof and the hues. When she worked on her machine,
she revised it. It was adequate, but she said, I
have a new machine, sewing machine and putting the heavy

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tape recorder away. She wanted a new one that was
light of weight, and she revised it, and she got
in her mind's eye a lightweight new tape recorder. Then
she goes home one day to find the house beIN robbed.
She carried an insurance that she brought in the insurance

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and here they paid her the two thousand dollars which
replaced all these things in a new way. So I
tell you this story is the greatest story ever told.
There's no story like it. But Christianity leeds forever and

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forever to be saved from secular history. It is not
secular history. It's the history of your own wonderful human imagination.
God and your own imagination are one the one. You

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are an immortal bee. You cannot die because you are
all imagination. And when you actually know it from experience,
then you can wipe your tails. Nothing compares away. You
may not see them with a mortal eye, touch them

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with a mortal hands, but they are in a world
just as real as this, just as real. Continue the
journey until there reach that moment in time when they
are resurrected, and then the scattered body begins to be
collected and their gather the govern into one. So one

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must be all and comprehend with it himself, all things,
both great and small. And you are that one that
actually fell, and then in falling you became fragmented. You

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became divided into the unnumbered part. And it seems to
be independent of you. As you look out on it,
you're only looking up on yourself pushed out and your
whole bath world must make reals your unknowing imaginal X

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or your knowing emaginal X. I asked you to trust
this teaching. Believe in your imaginal X. You may not
see it today or tomorrow, but believe in it. Actually
assume the most glorious thing in the world for yourself
or any aspect of yourself. Trust and that imaginal act,

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if it takes a thousand or teny thousand or a
hundred thousand of your projective cells, will use them to
make that thing become real in your world. As you
said in her letter to me, you may call it imagination,
or some may call it thought. But this I do know.

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Having remembered what I did last year, I can say
it does reduce reality that showed you time and time again.
Imagining creates reality where all the objective facts of the
world are produced to imagine it. There is the thing

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that you can name in this world that wasn't first imagine,
but you can detO it the minute you amerg you
can say, as she could have said, we can't afford
it and stop it. She didn't say we can't afford
one thousand dollars for the room. She saw the root
and it was new, but he didn't see the robbery.

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That's the means. Now let me turn you now to
the fifty fifth chapter of Isaiah. My way are higher
than your way, and my thoughts than yours. This is
a chapter where you're told, my word shall not be

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turned unto me void, but it must accomplish that which
I have purpose and foster in the thing for which
I sent it. So my way are higher than your way.
Don't concern yourself with how it's going to be done.
For the same voice who spoke these words said this

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in the second chapter of Deuteronomy, the fifty ninth verse.
I even far am he I kill, I make alive,
I wound, I heal. I do all these things, and

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none can deliver out of my hand. He's playing all
the bards, and if one is basically inclined to steal,
he will use it to produce the necessary means to
get the money to put on the roof. So she

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comes home and there with a robbery. All the things
have been replaced with new ones and better ones, as
he desired them. At the moment, it seemed to be
a shock, but she set the whole thing up in motions.
He's the one who spoke those words, I kill, and
I make a line. I wound an ideal, and none

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can deliver out of my hands. For the spirit of
God and the human imagination are one, and there's nothing
but God. All things were made by Him, and without
him was not anything made. It was made. And so
if all things are made by him, is you a

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thief in the world, he's playing that part. Is you
a so called hero in the world. He's playing that part.
A coward? He's playing that part. He's playing every part
in the world. And it all adds that to produce
the unseen, immaginal acts of men. So you are alone,

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and you think no one sees me, and this means nothing.
It's only my imagination. And you carry on your lovely
imaginal act and so that's it. Not knowing that you're
actually producing the Morel's effects in this world, and when
it comes into the world, that natural effect has an unseen,

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invisible imaginal act as called, and not a natural cause,
a natural cause only seen. It is a delusion, delusion
of what of your fading memory. You don't remember when
you did it, so when confronted with your own harvest,

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you can't quite believe it. You can't remember when you
did anything that could actually be like this. I didn't
rob myself. I never thought one moment of robbing to
get the money, you know. But I did see the
whole thing done. And there are thieves in the world,
all over the world, and are all played by God.

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There is nothing, but don't God only acts and he
is in existing beans or men. Now, let me find
that actor, because God only acts and he is in
all existing beings or men. But I'm a man. I

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want to find that actor. Or the thing that I
see reflected in the mirror when I shave in the
morning is a mask. That's persona. Now who is wearing
that mask? I answered, you said never, I turn around
and I say, yes, here I am. But who is
the being that is there. I am That's my real name.

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But the mask is called never, but I will say
I am never. So the aware of the mask called
never is fo. That being in that mask, behind that
mask that no one sees is God. And now the

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whole that Christmas would celebrate this victory of God, that
he actually died, literally died. But God's first attribute is mercy.
And God turned death into sea and then rose the

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sexiest to work unto me, and so all the sexes
rose as mass. When God died, he buried himself being
humanity and die. And then his first attribute, mercy, turned
it EINGI sleep. But what Blake meant when he said

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eternity exists and all things in each ternity independent of creations,
which was an act of mercage. That was the merciful
act to turn death in de fleet. And God is
dreaming this dream. One day he will awake. And when

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he awakes you as a rex. And then he gathers
into his own beings, all his cattered beams. So all
are gathered together. When I depart this time, may I
tell you I am taking everything in the universe with
and I when I am lifted up, I was raised

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all unto me. Readly in the felth chapter of John,
not one can be left because all things exist in
the human imaginations, but it's not raised up until he
to his cat is awakened to unity. And then he

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draws into his one being fall that was gathered, so
the thing, his fall into divisions, and his resurrection to unity,
his fall into the generation of decay and dead, and

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his regeneration into the generation or the resurrection from the day.
So when he actually is raised from the day, he
gathers all into his own deeds and all with the matter.
Where he goes, he has his whole that world who

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raised up as he left one behind him. But everyone
shattered in the world will have a reproduction of that
drama within themselves. So what is now being dramatized as
a memorial district because there's a memorial. This is simply
a great memory, a remembrance of what God has already

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accomplished and start of perpetuating it through good priety. Then
comes to burial on Saturday, then come the resurrection on Sunday.
But the whole thing is done. It's all done only
to be repeated in the individual. And then the individual
who is a semen scattered becomes the unit, and he

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draws that world unto himself, and he's resurrected. So the
one becomes the many, and then the many become the one.
So whenever one is raised, he takes it all that
world with them, even though it seems to be left behind,

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and every aspect that it seemingly is behind becomes the unit,
and then it raises up. So one must be all.
That is the story of the Christian mystery. One must
be all. So the first try on the cross Father,

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forgiven they know not what they do, and they do
not know what they do, they go blindly on under compulsion,
execusing the unseen, immaginal acts of humanity. And they moved
on the compulsion to pick this up. I told the story.

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I was severely criticized for it by a lady at
a dinner party one night when Fred Wale, who is
now gone from this world, and we gave a party
at the Ambassador Tale, and I had told this story
about two weeks before, and one of his great I
would say, contributors who would come and always like you

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was a big check at the end of a year
or end of a month to keep that good and
she was most critical that night. As I said, I
didn't feel about that night at all, And she said,
you know, I can't quite understand how you could take
the platfall. An audience of twenty six hundreds a thousands

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who could not get him were all overflowing at the fox. Willtim,
and tell what you tell concerning your wife? That was
my first wife. I told a simple story to explain
that everything in this world must be forgiven. I don't
care what it is. When I met the girl who

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now bears my name, who is the mother of my daughter,
the very first moment I met her, I knew she
is going to be my wife. She didn't know it.
I do it. I said to myself, he doesn't know it,
but she is going to be my wife. We sailed
for Barbados. Six months later. She met my mother, met

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my family, met them all. They all loved them. I
was back in nineteen thirty six in New York City.
Because of some archaic law it's now passed, you couldn't
get a divorce unless he was insane for seven years
for adulting. And that's all the Orthodox Christian churches that

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sold the whole thing up, so that it made life miserable.
I made everything simply well, a burden to all. When
I met her, I had just such an entangled background.
And here's New York City, the more arcaic city in

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the world concerning to flaws. I raked the bait and
stepped as though I were happily married to the girl
who now bears my name. I did not have any
physical emotion, whether just he was sleeping there and I

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am there, and it's blissful. I did that for one
solid disease. We can come. A telephone call from the
court one morning telling me that I must come down
to the Federal Court on Tuesday morning. But I was wronging.

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He was early in the morning, and he knows that
I didn't rise as early as I do now, And
so I I said, all right, and I hung up.
After I have up, I wonder, what unser is all
this nonsense? What have I done? I must be in court.
I haven't received the summons now a thing. I must

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be in court well on Tuesday morning, I'm supposed to her.
I made no effort to go there. And about nine
thirty the phone line it's the court, and they said
to me, you're supposed to be here in court this morning.
You need a tin And I said, what answertain am
I supposed to be in court for? He said, well,

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it happens that your wife is arrested. And he thought
maybe you could throw some light on the reason for
her arrest. That's why we're asked you to come down. Well,
I was in shade. I can threw myself into the clothes.
Ifore five went to a taxi under the court and
I got the judge after bringing her in, man would

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put into the three judges one judge's here that I
was in the audience. The judge asked me, protected, you
don't have to swear, but would you please take the
same and throw some light on the behavior of your wife.
She tells me you've been separated now for almost fourteen years.

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I said, yes, is it a religious reason why you've
been separated? It now none whatsoever. We knew we were
wrong the very first day we got married. We knew
its completely a failure. But you know, well right away
when read the case, he was picked up for shopliftings.

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They went to her home and found other things in
her home. And so what you said for this, as
far as I'm concerned. I don't think it. Really she
is a shoplifter as far as I'm concerned. She had
moved under compulsion. Taking into consideration her age. She's eight

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years my senior, and she's passing through a certain emotional state,
and do the leaning. We have a son, and he
with me, and I don't want anything to happen to
his mother that would cast any chat on his life.
He's a wonderful boy. He's in my charge by law.

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He is in my home, lived with me, and I
don't want anything to happen to her, but in any
way would reflect upon my son. He judge said, you know,
in all my years on the bench, I have heard
no please by one for another who has every reason
in this world to get a committee, because that in

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any other state would be enough for what he wanted
to do the borce, and yet he pleased for He
sentenced her to six months, and then on my plea
he suspended it. She met me on the outside and said, never,
that was a very decent thing to do. Give me

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my favorite. She knew I was looking for, and my
dancing partner told her I was looking for to serve
the papers, and they afforded these tears and move out
of New York City. So she did. But she had
to commit the act, and they had to call me
and asked me to throw right upon that. How could

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I condemnver who was the actual call of her shop lifting?
I I slept as though I were blissfully married to
the girl who now buried my name. And I had
to get the evidence. I had to get some reason

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to bring the act. And here my wife actually gave
me the papers. I said, I don't have the papers
with me. She's I'm driving home to your place right now,
and you can give me the papers. That's illegal to
serve your own papers. But he drove up to my
tell where I lived. I went to my room, came

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under the lob room, gave her the papers. Did my
own servant? Now that is an illegal thing in this world? What?
And I got my divorce in the city of New
York and I could marry the girl who now burst
my name. And when I told that, I told it
only to tell people of that one word, the first

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word on the cross, Father, forgive them, for they know
not what they do. They're all moving under compulsion, and
the unseen causation is hidden from the world. I do
not know who is spreading in the wine press. And
I was treading in the wine press to be happily
married to a girl who was not daing engaged to me,

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So I couldn't engage to under the circumstances. And then
my wife behaved in circum manner that it made it
real and natural for me to do what I did.
How can I blame them? So the first word on
la cross Father, forgive them. They know not what they do.

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They have to do what they do. I have to
fall into divisions and fragment by these, into the unnumbered
part called humanity, and then rise into unity and gather
all night scattered members together and rise as God himself,

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as the phillis. It is God who films and God
who rises. So I know for my own experience nothing dies.
Those who have not had the experience saying, or I
still restore in a world that is directed so just
like this, And they continue their journey until that moment

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in time when they're resurrected, and resurrection is resurrection into unity,
and then out pictured world, the whole vast universe is
himself push out to gather togethernent and they move up,
and I, when I am lifted up from hers, I
will draw all name under me. What is the mystery

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of which we speak a night after night. You're not
some kind little thing just pushed out. You are the
whole one must be all will come. You will find
that you really are we all so that one person

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in the universe could be outside of you who rains
You are resurrected, because as you are raised up, you
raise all this, and each would have The Expresians have
been raised up, and Paul e Ventures will be the one,

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and in that day there shall be one. His name
one we're told him Zachariath. But Blake tells it so
beautifully in his dream of nine knights called Ballah, all

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the four Zelves, and then he tells the studies of
they're falling into division. When they're all gathered together. This
one man they call Jesus, and they in him and

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he in them lives in perfect harmony in Eden the
end of life. For you are the Lord Jesus Christ,
whose resurrection they're going to celebrate this coming Sunday. To
tell that to the priest asceptin, tell that to any minister,

(43:16):
because there are some deceive. They do not know who
the Lord Jesus Christ is. I tell you, the Lord
Jesus Christ is buried in you, and he is your
own wonderful human imagination. That's the Lord Jesus Christ. And
when he is raised eni, you will raised all in

(43:41):
this universe with That is the starting. So I want
to thank my friend for sharing with me for experience
and being ved enough to remember. If men could only
remember the imaginal x. She remembered wings the root needed

(44:07):
three players or a new one, and the cost was
accessively high for them. At the moment she remembered her
husband complaining about the pain the new shoes called the
right of the tape recorder, and then working on the machine,
sewing machine, and it was adequate, it was good, but

(44:28):
she was like a new one. And then came out
of the nowhere a robbery and took all these movable objects.
And then came the insurance that sent the check for
two thousand parts that replaced all the movable objects, and
enough for the roof and much much over. So she

(44:50):
can actually say, for here the problem those who took it.
He did not do her a favor, And yet they
are peas in their own eyes and peas in the
eyes of society they are. You know who played the
vot God, I know who actually made them do what

(45:11):
they did. Lady who wrote me the letter, now she
knows the words in that thirty second chapter of Deudonomy.
I even I am he and there is no god
besides me. I kill and I make the live. I

(45:34):
wound and I heal, and there is none that can
deliver out of my hand. Now what happened. If we
only had the memory, we could trace it to a forgotten,
imaginal act on our party
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