June 3, 2025 • 60 mins
Our Guest:
Cydian Kauffman
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In this vital episode, we delve into the absolute foundational elements of true healing: clean water and cultural mindset. Often overlooked in the pursuit of complex wellness solutions, these two fundamental pillars have a profound and far-reaching impact on our physical, mental, and even societal well-being.
We're stripping away the noise and getting down to the bare bone basics, exploring why access to clean water and the lens through which our culture shapes our understanding of health are non-negotiable starting points for any genuine healing journey.
We shed light on the often-invisible contaminants lurking in our water sources – from chemical pollutants and heavy metals to microplastics and pharmaceutical residues. Understand the potential health consequences of chronic exposure to these toxins and how they can undermine your healing efforts.
Feeling confused by the array of water filtration options? We break down the different types of filters and discuss their effectiveness in removing various contaminants.
We unpack the powerful influence of our cultural beliefs, values, and norms on our perceptions of health, illness, and healing. Understand how these ingrained perspectives can either support or hinder our wellness goals.
More:
at https://www.patreon.com/c/EarthandWater
Cydian Kauffman
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Resources mentioned:
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In this vital episode, we delve into the absolute foundational elements of true healing: clean water and cultural mindset. Often overlooked in the pursuit of complex wellness solutions, these two fundamental pillars have a profound and far-reaching impact on our physical, mental, and even societal well-being.
We're stripping away the noise and getting down to the bare bone basics, exploring why access to clean water and the lens through which our culture shapes our understanding of health are non-negotiable starting points for any genuine healing journey.
We shed light on the often-invisible contaminants lurking in our water sources – from chemical pollutants and heavy metals to microplastics and pharmaceutical residues. Understand the potential health consequences of chronic exposure to these toxins and how they can undermine your healing efforts.
Feeling confused by the array of water filtration options? We break down the different types of filters and discuss their effectiveness in removing various contaminants.
We unpack the powerful influence of our cultural beliefs, values, and norms on our perceptions of health, illness, and healing. Understand how these ingrained perspectives can either support or hinder our wellness goals.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Yeah, I love talking about water.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, what you do. See, that's the thing A lot
of people do not like talking about water.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, it's scary, for sure. I can understand why. And
there's like a lot of different directions you can go
into it, like I do it. So we're gonna go
on a couple of tangents here. I do a lot
of kayaking, so there I talk about water a lot. Yeah,
in that sense.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In that sense. Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How even though I do a lot of kayaking, I
the number one thing that I encounter when people when
I'm like, you should come kayaking with this, sometimes they're like,
oh no, no, no, no, that sounds terrifying. I actually
couldn't swim until I was thirteen, so I totally get
(00:53):
how terrifying water is. And and I don't swim in
wild water. I can't see my feet, I can't be
in there. I just like, apparently, wow, I've recently learned
that there there's a phobia that that is I can't
remember what it's called, but yeah, and not that I
(01:15):
haven't ever. Also, though, because growing up in the South
as a girl, you couldn't really be like, you couldn't
really be afraid of things like that that wasn't allowed
because you were already taunted constantly for being a girl.
You know, you hit like a girl, you run like
a girl, like a girl, like all the things. So
(01:39):
I'll be damned if I wasn't going to do exactly
what all the boys were doing. So if they were
swimming out to the dock, I was also swimming out
to the dock, unable to breathe and nearly paralyzed with
fear the entire time. But I swim out there, So wow,
I get it. I get all the things with the water,
but also on the other side of things, which is
(02:01):
what we're talking about today. I teach yoga, so we're
all about health and wellness, and I'm constantly explaining to
my suols that they need to drink more water. But
just regular water isn't necessarily going to do it for you.
You have to have the electrolytes and the minerals in
(02:24):
the water, or your body's most likely not absorbing anything,
so you know, and then there's the whole uh forever
chemicals that are terrifying all the directions of water.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, we focus what you talked about earlier. I like
to call working water, meaning if you're using it or
it's somehow working for you, then that's working water, which
is differentiated from drinking water, because working water you can
have all kinds of arts and in it or p
foss and all that, and it's not that bad. Very
(03:01):
little of that kind of water gets into your skin.
Very little of the stuff that that you might be
worried about drinking. You don't really worry as much about
getting into your skin.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Right, You're not going to go, I just drink the
river water, but you don't worry too much about being
diving in.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, exactly. But drinking water, yeah, I mean people get
water from you know, a municipality or they get it
from there well, and that water got there by traveling
across all the same ground that you're swimming in. And
it traveled from the from the sky to the mountains,
(03:41):
across the earth through valleys and dip down into underground
aquifers or were collected on reservoirs, and then it's treated.
It's treated with like chlorine, and and the chlorine helps
some stuff. And then chlorine has its own byproducts that
(04:02):
it creates. And so if people want that kind of
stuff out of their water, they got to know what's
in their water first. It's like they got to test
it to identify what's actually there.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, and that's a whole process that most people don't
even know where to begin on how to go about
doing that well.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And what I noticed is most people don't even want
to look at it because it's kind of a scary thing. Right,
You've already been drinking that water. Yeah, and it hasn't
killed you yet, So do you want to even look?
And my suggestion to people is that they do look,
they do take a look and see because it is
(04:43):
a dosage over time kind of problem. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh sure, yeah, and ignorance. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, you
can't unno, once you do know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Exactly as soon as you open that box and say, okay,
what's in my water yet, that's it? Then you know.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah. I stopped doing tap water years ago. I kind
of I'm I'm cursed with overthinking and anxiety and all that. So,
and I had a lot of health issues starting when
I was about well, I guess my whole life really,
(05:24):
there's a lot of things that kind of came and
went and stuff that a kid just really shouldn't be
dealing with and you know, it was just normal, and
everybody around me was also pretty sickly because that's just
kind of the standard American way of existing. And it
(05:45):
wasn't until my mid twenties when I started really being
health conscious and thinking about things like this. And when
I did, I was so paralyzed with what I found
that I had a really hard time eating anything or
drinking anything for really for like, that's that's a thing too.
(06:06):
I can't remember what it's called, but it's pretty common.
When you learn too much about what's in your food
and what's in your water and all of that, you
kind of shut down your parallels with fear. You don't
really know where to turn. But so I invested in
a Burkie water filter years ago. That's the only thing
we use for cooking or drinking water or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Great. Yeah, Burkey is carbon, so they're going to remove
quite a lot of stuff, but not everything. Carbon's pretty
cool though. Carbon's got carbon. If you look at it
through a microscope, you see hundreds of little tunnels inside
of it m M to the point where if you
(06:51):
take a single gram of carbon and you were to
lay out the whole surface area of carbon it would
cover three tennis corps. Wow, that's how much surface area
that it can use to collect contamination. It does, not, however,
remove all contamination. It is great at chlorine and chlorine byproducts, though,
it's pretty good at pifoss too, forever chemicals. So yeah,
(07:15):
do you Yeah? I probably, based on what you just
told me, you probably don't want to do like an
evaluation of the water you drink.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No. I don't want to do an evaluation of myself either.
I am. My husband's been trying to talk me into
going to the doctor for years now, and just to
get blood work done and a check up and run
your bottle signs. I'm good. I'm just gonna like kill
over one day and everybody's gonna be super shocked. It's fine,
that's right. Ignorance is bliss, and I already know too much.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, No, you're right. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
the the uh, the idea that you're at least doing
something is good though.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I do what I can where I can when I can,
and then I try not to stress out about what
I can't get to just yet.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But for those who would be interested. Please tell us
how to go about doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh sure, well, I mean, let's say you're at your
home and you you're drinking water. First thing, first question
I always ask is what's the source of your water?
And so someone's going to tell me one of two things.
You're either going to say it's a private well or
they're going to say it's a treated well. Because everything's
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a well or a reservoir of water in one way,
shape or form. It's either private on your property or
it's shared amongst the community. Whether it's fifteen people or
five thousand people, it's still a shared So that would.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Be what most people were dealing with with, like city
water or county water.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
That's right, that's what most people would be dealing with.
So when you look at that, most city water and
county waters do their own testing. Now you can do
your own testing. There's this website online called tap score
that gets you really easy quick testing, and it's really
(09:23):
inexpensive for the amount of testing that you get. But
you can also look up for free not only the
city or municipality's own test results, but you can go
to a website called the Environmental Working Group and the
EWG and their tapwater database, and you can find out
(09:44):
where your water sits on the health guidelines versus the
legal guidelines. And this is where I hope I don't
bore everyone. But the EPA sets the standard for drinking water, right,
the Environmental Protection Agency. But they have two standards. They
have the MCL which stands for maximum contaminant level and
(10:07):
the MCLG, which stands for maximum contaminant level goal.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So basically garbage though.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, the the what do you mean what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean the federal standards for contamination of anything are
pretty freaking low.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they're they're not strict. Well, that's whether it's two standards.
The mcl is not very low, that is true. The
MCLG is pretty low. And so if people want to
know what a pretty good standard is for health, you
can actually look up the EPA s MC MCLG and
it's pretty it's a pretty good match for the health standard.
(10:52):
That is not the standard most people go by, though,
which is so funny to me that the health standard
is not the standard that most people are concerned about.
When you go and do a test on your own
water and you get the report back and it says,
everything's within the limits. They're talking about the legal limit.
(11:13):
They're talking about the much broader, much less restrictive limit. Yeah,
so if you want to know for yourself, you got
to compare it to a different unless you're fine with
that standard. If you're fine with the legal standard, some
people are. Some people like, I'm healthy, it's fine for me. Great,
(11:33):
that's good for you if you want a health standard, though,
it's not a bad standard to go by the MCLG.
And then getting your water there is pretty easy once
you know what's in your water. A burkie maybe the
right solution. There may be other things that work. Usually
it requires some math and science to figure out exactly
(11:56):
what the water treatment should be based on what's in
your water though out. Yeah, so that's basically the advice.
But I usually don't do it in like five minutes
like that. I usually like help them, I roll them
through it, you know, so that way they they take
it step by step and it's not quite so confusing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, overwhelming. Yeah, I'm not trying to overwhelm people. It's
just we've had some interesting situations right where we've had
We've had people who thought their water was great, and
it had like arsenic or cryptosporidium in it, or really uranium.
(12:41):
We actually had a person have a naturally occurring cyanide spring.
It killed fifty of his cattle, which is that's a
lot of cyanide to kill fifty cattle. And if he
hadn't been on vacation, he would have hied for sure.
So we've seen some crazy stuff with water.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah. I have a friend who is more crazy about
this kind of stuff than I am, and she had
her water tested when they first moved into their house.
They were gonna I don't remember what they were gonna do,
They're going to do something, and in order to do that,
they tested their water first, and uh, come to find out,
(13:22):
where their house was built used to be a cow
pasture for like years, yeah, years, for a really long time,
and the something in the cow patties had like seeped
into their water supply, and I don't remember what it
was contaminated with, but it was like really.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Bad nitrates probably that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Sounds that sounds right, and uh, they had to so
they they installed a reverse osmosis system.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah that's a good that's a good way to go
for that. Yeah, there that would be like a point
of use solution, like just like at their sink. That's
a great solution. And I'll tell you if you add
electrolytes to reverse osmosis water, that's amazing. That's an amazing
way to go the Uh. You can get that solution
(14:18):
for your whole house too. You can. You can solve
nitrates for your whole house. Nitrates are rough, especially if
you have a baby. Nitrates can cause I think it's
called blue baby syndrome. It can make a baby turn
blue so and have other issues. So, yeah, that's that
(14:39):
can be rough for sure. There's fluoride is also in
the news a lot right now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It is Yeah, what's your stance of.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That, Well, my stance is that the dose matters. That's
my stance in my sta ants is that if it's
a ton of fluorid, it's clearly bad. We have clear
evidence that that causes IQ loss. If it's a little
(15:10):
bit of fluorid, the evidence is not fully there, though
a very recent study seems to indicate that it may be.
But I also know that in Scandinavia, Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland,
they don't floridate at all, and they have great teeth. Yes,
(15:33):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I've been on the anti florid train for a really
long time. We don't even use florid in our toothpaste.
I mean if it's in the water. Yeah, but I
also went the extra mile with my burkey and got
the floriad filters as well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh okay, you had the florid add on for that.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, I'm crazy with the hills and the stuff. Yeah,
anti a lot of like can go on that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Forever, you can go on it. I'm just like, fluoride
in toothpaste that seems like very unlikely to be a
problem to me because you're brushing your teeth with it
and then spitting it out.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And yeah, I mean you are, My children are not.
They're swallowing it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's true. That's true, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, no,
I get what you're saying. It's I mean, like I say,
there's a lot of evidence on both sides on the
florid debate. It is really hard to argue with what
they with the Sweden, that Scandinavian reality. But then again,
(16:40):
they eat less sugar than we do too, yeat.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That amazing what that could do yeah, yeah, we we're
drowning in sugar. Even our household, being as health conscious
as it is, we're still drowning in sugar. I can't
keep it away from my children. I know, it's they
come home with it from school every single day. They
(17:06):
are grandparents and aunts and uncles and well meaning individuals.
They're they're martial arts teacher, their softball coach, like everybody
means well, bless their hearts. It is so frustrating that
no matter what I do, unless I isolated my children
(17:27):
and didn't let them see anybody or go anywhere, I
can't keep the sugar out of.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The or moved in.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, I know, I would be wonderful adopt some of
these practices that See, it's always been a thing for
me that it seems like insanity to me that we
have other countries doing something that makes more sense for
our health and well being, and yet we continue to
(17:56):
do things that go against our health and will being.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean you know why though, I
mean my niece.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Involved so oh sure, marketing because all things culture culture.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
My grandparents. Where are you located? Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Seattle?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, all right, you from there.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, they moved me here. My parents moved me here
when I was eight and I'm like forty eight now, so.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, okay, where did they come from?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Uh, California, California.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay, cool, I'm in North Alabama. Five generations at least.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, So the culture people don't understand because you know,
our memories are short. As people, we only remember more
or less our own life and what has developed and
happened during that very limited span of time. So, my
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grandparents grew up in the Great Depression, and each one
of them had like fourteen brothers and sisters. So they
didn't have access to suites per se, for example. So
now that things have kind of stable, like they didn't
have running water or bathrooms in the house. They had
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outhouses and most of their food came from hunting and gardening.
And so moving forward through history and time a little bit,
now that sugar is so easily accessible to them, they
all have diabetes because you know, they didn't get those
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treats when they were children, and they remembered the rare
occasion that they did get a piece of candy or
a piece of cake or a cupcake or a cookie,
and it was so rare. It only came around on
like two or three times a year, on like holidays
that were really important. And yeah, so now they've overcompensated
(20:15):
with you know, their diabetic but their entire counter is
full of Debbie cakes and pies and so they want too,
and you know, them, being the loving family members that
they are, want to. They don't want my children to
go without. So they just did that's drown them in sugar.
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And then they're like, they're acting up. I don't know
why they're acting up like this. They're usually so sweet.
They're so sweet when they get here, and then something
happens and they just go crazy. They turn into a
completely different kid. I'm like, yeah, it's all the red
dye forty and the sugar that you just intravenously injected
them with.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Wow, you're really right about that, my kid. I've got
three kids. My oldest seems to manage her own stuff. Thirteen,
My thirteen year old seems to manage her own stuff.
She's like, when she gets some sugar, she like keeps
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it and doles it out slowly to herself over time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, she's that's her. And then my eleven year old
and my four year old, or definitely whatever they can get.
If I can get sugar from someplace, I want it.
So yeah, it's definitely a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I've kind of I've looked out with my son.
He's ten and he indulges in the sugar, but not
near as bad as my daughter. She's seven and her
entire diet is pretty much sweet. What did you eat
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for lunch? And she was like, well I had. I
was like, is it just you just had you just
had sugar? You just had sweets for lunch? And no, no,
I had. I had an apple, and I had some
strawberries and I had a banana. Like those are all sugar?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I had vegetables. Well what did you have? I had
carrots and corn, also sugar. Where's the protein?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah? Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'm trying my best to teach them and instead of
just taking it all away and throwing it in the trash,
which I arguably probably should do, I try to teach them.
So my daughter will She was like, can I have
this piece of candy? And instead of telling her yes
or no, I'll tell her talk to your body. What
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does your body say? How does your stomach feel does
your stomach feel like it needs the sugar? Does it?
You know, like you gotta talk.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
How does that go?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It goes really well actually for the most part, like
it was a learning curve and uh, but it gets on.
It puts the responsibility back on themselves. So yeah, not
only are they learning to manage their own sugar intake,
which is going to do them well later in life
(23:21):
as they go on, because i mean, like, I'm not
always going to be you know, when they're twenty five
years old or thirty five years old and have their
own family. I'm not going to be in their house
going now, you can't have this, you know, let me
take it all and throw it in the trash. They
need to learn how to manage that themselves. So it
gets her gears going and she'll be thinking, and it's
(23:43):
so funny because you so she'd be like, I my
body thinks it's fine, my body thinks it's fit. I
think I think my body says it didn't like it.
And I'm like, are you sure, and she's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like, yeah, yeah, that's what I would expect.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, But that turned in to it's a slow process,
you know, and you know, we're here till we die.
So slow's fine, And it turned into, uh, well, I
don't I don't know what my body is saying. I
don't know my body doesn't talk. What do you mean? Well,
(24:19):
are you sure? Are you sure you don't know what
it's saying? Or do you know what it's saying? And
you just don't like the answer? Yeah, exactly, So like
you know, it's a development process, but we're getting.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, that's great. I love that. I mean, I love
that you're having success with that, because that seems like
it could be very difficult too.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's just a long process. This is a terrible analogy,
but it's the simplest one I have for you. Raising
children is very similar to training dogs. You just have
to be consistent over a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wow, you're probably right about that. Yeah, Like, because can
I tell you I tried to do dog training for
a while. Ooh the patients involved in that, Yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, that depends on the top of dog too. Some
of them will definitely wear your patients more than others.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, did you have you done dog training?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh? We have. We have dogs. We have great Pyrenees mixes,
so we have a great Pyrenees lab mix. His name's Zuko,
and he's very headstrong and he's very smart. But he
knows he's smart, and he knows he's a big dog,
so it takes him. It took a little bit more
(25:47):
with him than it did our Pyrenees shepherd mix Austa
and you know, the the shepherd in him mixed with
the Great Pyrenees. There, they're they're people pleasers. So he
doesn't run off. He he stays right there with you.
My my husband's family always had huskies and my mother
(26:11):
in law is a wonderful dog whisperer. She she's very
in tune with them. She trained them all And let
me tell you, to train a husky to do what
you wanted to do takes another level of patience because
and like determination.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
A husky specifically.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Wow, specifically a husky, they are so headstrong. You cannot
no matter what you do, you cannot keep them contained.
They're going to escape, They're going to run no matter what.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Wow. Okay, I mean I'm glad. Yeah, I couldn't have
that here then.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So I'm I'm very big in uh because we had
we had a pit bull lab mix also, and for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He h.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got him when we me and my husband, we
got him when we were so sixteen and stupid and uh,
and we had him until he died of old age,
which was only about three years ago something like. So
I'm very people people looked at him and we're like, oh,
(27:18):
pit bulls those you know, all the all the things
people say about pit bulls.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I know, people.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, it's it's all about how you raise them, just like,
of course, of course, yes, that being said, different breeds
do have different characteristics that you have to be aware
of and work.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but characteristics of breeds are
just tendencies. Yes, you the way you raise them is definitely.
It's funny what people don't know about dogs. You see
people you see dog bites, like you know, on the
internet or TikTok videos or something, and the first thing
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people do when they get bidden is they like pull away,
which is like the opposite of what you want to
do if you're bidden by a dog. Yeah, they've like
curved back canines, their hooks blushed towards the mouth. It's
it's amazing that we've like known this about dogs for
(28:21):
so long. So many people own dogs and they still
don't know that. It's weird to me.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, have you heard the whole thing about how we
have more access to knowledge than we ever have and
yet we're dumber than we've ever been.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right, And what is that about? Like people are just
not self studying. There's no, there's no.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of things to dissect with it.
For example, again the culture when I was growing up,
it wasn't cool to be smart, right, yeah, it was.
You didn't want to you didn't want to be reading
a book, and I know what'd be into Star Wars
and like that was what losers did. I You had
(29:07):
to be a dumb jock, that was. And so it
was really like and I I grew up in a
really small town, like really small southern town.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There's like everyone new people.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, everybody knows everybody knows everybody. Again,
I told you in five five generations deep in the
same county, so related to everybody, Yeah exactly. My teachers
went to school with my parents, their parents went to
church with my grandparents. Like everybody knew everybody. And it was.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You change your deodorant and everyone knows I know it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, so you didn't people encouraged you not to read books.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah yeah, so you know there's that working against us.
And then again ignorance and bliss or bliss and ignorance.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know how to combat that, Like, I don't
know what you do about that culture.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's it. It's turning on us.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It is oh, it's I know it's changing, but like
in the moment, that's that's a powerful.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There's nothing you can do. Trust me. I tried, Yeah,
you just gotta I've I was a very angry child,
I say child, a teenager because of all this I
would I wasn't very sports oriented growing up. I am now,
which is hilarious. But I was the one that was
(30:47):
reading all the books and disassociating into the books and
spilling for ten minutes about this thing that I read
and trying to convince people to not litter. I don't know,
And there I was very angry because nobody would listen,
and there's all this pushback, and eventually I came to
(31:11):
this point to where I realized it wasn't worth my
time or energy to try to change anything around me.
The only thing I could do was try to lead
by example and show them a better way to be.
So that's kind of what I've like taken a step
back and reserved myself to being and that's more powerful
(31:33):
than any And so I guess I developed the whole
entire podcast and everything that I've been doing online for
the past ten years is the tagline for the show
is healing the individual in order to heal the world,
because you know, we all pretty well agree that we
have some things that we need to work on culturally, societal,
(31:56):
like throughout the entire planet. And how do we do
that is we look at how we got here in
the first place, and how we got here in the
first place is hurt people hurting people.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know, that's a nutshell, It's a very simplified version. Yeah,
we could go on a thousand tangents about again consumerism
and big business and corporations and laws and governments and
you know, wars and history and just you know, we
could talk to her blue in the face about all
of it. But at the end of the day, I
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think globally act locally, So me and you were just
one person, and that's okay. And for a long time
I was very overwhelmed with Like I felt like the
weight of the world was on my shoulders because I
knew about all of them. It doesn't make any sense
to me. Why are we doing it like this when
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there is very clearly eighteen better ways to do this right, So,
like and again it drove me crazy to the point
of where, like I couldn't turn on the faucet because
that's wasting water, and I couldn't open the frigerator because
that's my carbon footprint, and you know, electricity, and it
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just it gets too much. Yeah, so you know, dialing
all of that, I also built the entire platform on
anxiety and mental health. But dialing it back, we're just
one person. How can we be the best us so
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that we can be the best us for other people?
You know, because the most impactful things in any of
our lives is the relationships we have with other people. Right,
The most impactful thing for you and I is the
interactions that we had with our parents, the interactions that
we had with our siblings, the interactions that we had
(33:59):
with our best friend growing up, and how those developed
the romantic relationships in our lives, Like all of the
relationships with our mentors, our teachers, our coaches, like, the
people in our lives is what shaped us into who
we are. So you think about the good interactions and
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the negative interactions and how those developed and what those caused.
So how do we start having more positive interactions with
the people in our life rather than you know, you
want more positive than negative. Nobody's perfect. But how can
we get more positive than negative? And that's to work
on ourselves so that when we do interact with everybody
(34:41):
else around us, we can be patient and yeah instead
of reactive.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah that sounds very good. I like that. Yeah, this
has been fun.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think I had too much caffeine today.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, I mean that sounds that sounds good. The the
the ideas there, they seem right. I I try. I
am did come on here thinking we were going to
talk about water. Turns out we talked about everything, Yeah,
which is which is fun. We talked about sugar dogs,
(35:27):
humanity as a whole. That's fun.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, So we can we can swing back and pick
up any of those tangents if you like, or go back.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh I don't, it's it's up to you. I don't know.
I I think I covered the main thing I wanted
to cover. About water, because I think it is important
that people do figure out for themselves what they are
actually drinking. But other than that, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Most people are pretty delusional about what they're drinking. You know.
One of the things when I started getting my health
kicks and stuff and switching over all this, one of
the very common things I encountered when trying to tell
other people about them was that, I, oh, if it
was if it were poisoned, the government would never allow
(36:15):
that on our shelves. Right, Yeah, that's unfortunately, terribly terribly false.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they do. I'd like to bring
people to the middle on this, because the reality is
they do do something, they just definitely can't do everything.
And they will say that. They will say it right
on their website. Like for the water, for example, they say,
(36:47):
this is as close as we can get to the
health level, taking cost and available technology into consideration. That's
like a nearly direct quote from the EPA website. So
the same thing it's going to be true with food.
They're going to say these things are allowed because it's
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too expensive or would cost the companies too much money
to have them out, and these things are utterly forbidden.
You can't do this at all. So they do something,
but they definitely cannot just be trusted entirely.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, of course, we don't have the resources for clean
water and healthy food. We have to you know, we
have to squander our resources with other things.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Right exactly? Yeah, no, I know, national security, n no security.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Trillions of dollars. Where did they go? Not into education?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, wouldn't that be interesting? I wonder what that would
look like though, imagine trillions of dollars in education. The
thing is, the education is hard because the main thing
that needs to happen is people have to want to learn.
And as soon as that happens, education is pretty easy.
(38:12):
So what you know, what actually is the limiting factor there?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well, it comes back to the to the children. All
children are innately curious, they all want to learn, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So then what changes that? Right?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Right? We could get on a tangent about that and
talk about that for a while. You want to. The
education system was created to turn out factory workers.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that education being authoritarian,
forceful as opposed to inviting, definitely will have a major
effect on whether people actually want to learn.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah. I had a really hard time in traditional school.
I couldn't fit still at a disk for eight hours
a day and learn about what they wanted me to
learn about. And it's not that I was unruly at all.
I sat still, you know, female we tend to have
an easier time sitting still. But just because I was
(39:18):
sitting still and staring at the teacher didn't mean I
was retaining anything at all. So like I looked like
I was there, but I was mentally three dimensions over. Yeah,
it just in my own complete world, not retaining anything
at all. But as soon as I got and I
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went to college and that was a uber waste of
time for me. And as soon as I got out
of the traditional education system, the formal traditional education system,
I learned more on my own than I ever had
in any of that set. Like we could have just
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completely locked me in a in a box more or
less and just took me out as soon as I
got out of college, and I would know the exact
same amount of stuff. I think.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
It's that's wow.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Dramatic, but it's also pretty true. The only thing I
really learned in the traditional school setting was how to
be terrified of my surroundings. Honestly, well that's.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Not a good, good thing. I mean, I didn't have
quite as extreme an experience, but I definitely felt like
I didn't learn much from school. What you described about
learning most of it yourself. I think that's that's called
being auto didactic. Okay, auto didactic. It's just means you
(40:56):
self teach. And I think a lot of people would
do that with things they're interested in if it wasn't
for the fact that learning becomes this chore and this
trudge and this just you know, conflict, constant conflict.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
There's a lot of a lot of very successful people
throughout history who were self taught, didn't have any formal education,
or quit school at a young age, and yeah, to
be very highly successful people.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Or successful despite school.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, that was kind of That was probably where I was.
I was doing it mostly out of spite for sure,
But I think most people would land in those categories
if they were available. That's the thing about education reform
is that we have tons of studies that show that
to do better, we actually just need to do less.
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We just offer up opportunities for directions of learning. You know,
the way the school system is right now, you touch
on dinosaurs for like a week, maybe two, and then
you move on to the next subject. And then this
kid over here who's just found their passion for dinosaurs,
(42:21):
and that's all they want to talk about, that's all
they want to learn about. And they're like, can we
just talk more about dinosaurs, and teachers like I'm so sorry, No,
we have to move on to the next thing in
the curriculum now that nobody cares about. Probably, And whereas
we could have taken that kid and be like, Okay,
you found your thing. Cool, let me take you and
(42:43):
put you over here with all the other dinosaur stuff. Yeah,
and then there you go, there's our next paleontologist in
fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean, or they switch. But absolutely, there's no
reason why class has to be lecture based. It absolutely
can be project based, or it can be subject based
and people can spend more time on one thing and
expand into other areas from that kind of study. It
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is absolutely true that that can happen even with our
current setup, even with the classrooms that have thirty people
in it with one teacher. That teacher could become a facilitator.
But the reason why that doesn't actually make any sense
to people. If you bring it up to an educator
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is because when they're staring at students, they're staring at
students that are not interested in learning, and so in
their mind, that's what students are, right.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
So, yeah, it becomes this self perpetuating cycle, which breaking
that breaking a self perpetuating cycle that is the most difficult,
as we talked about earlier, sure, and and.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
A lot of educators, their hands are tied with the
system that wants results.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, well and test results yeah, yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
But again, we have other examples of education systems in
other countries that are doing vastly better than ours and
implement zero testing.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I don't I don't even know about those. What
there are places that do zero testing?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, the countries that you were talking
about earlier. I don't remember which one, but it's like Sweden.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Or somewhere in Norway or something.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, somewhere over in there they do zero testing and
they have kids that are coming out way better than ours.
A lot of a lot of countries do way better
than this.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Interesting for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I've been pretty deep in this for a while.
I always wanted to homeschool because I had very, very
poor experiences with the traditional school system. My husband did not.
He enjoyed school weirdo, and so we compromised with them
going to elementary school in a public setting, and then
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it would be their choice when they got into middle
school if they wanted to be homeschooled or to continue
in traditional school. And so we're at that point of
transition now to where our sun will be. Well, there's
a blended program in my town that's super hard to
get into, but it's mostly virtual, So you do all
(45:44):
of your what would be desk work at home on
the computer, and then you go to school a couple
of days a week for group projects and hands on learning.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yes, I agree completely. So we're in the transition. We
didn't quite make it all the way through elementary school,
but we did the best we could. And so I've
been studying all of this pretty heavily for lots of
years now. But how did you get into uh? Has
water always been your passion?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Oh no, no, no, no no. I got a weird background.
I started in like computers, and I did network architecture
and I went from that to mediation, which is a
weird jump.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
But I did usimply think of tech people being very antisocial,
and then the mediators have to understand people.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, but I'm so I'll go. Even before that, I
kind of was socially awkward, and I mean somebody diagnosed
me as on the spectrum. I don't know if that's true,
but I was definitely given that autism label at some
one point, and I did a lot of study. I
(47:09):
did a ton of a ton of study about a
lot of really sciencey sounding body language things with like
proxemics and oculessics and all that stuff, which all that
means is like how close are you supposed to stand
to people? Where are you supposed to look? Prosodies like
how long are you supposed to take when you pause?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh yeah, that doesn't sound autistic at all.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
What sounds awkward? So anyhow, I just studied that stuff,
which was good because it helped me be like, oh,
that's what's going on. And then my ex wife was like,
maybe you should get braces because you never smile, and
I was like not sure if that was why I
was not smiling, but it definitely sounded like a good idea.
So I got braces and now I smile. I smile
(47:58):
pretty naturally. I know how to talk to people during that,
but I had an interesting gift, which was pretty decent
level of objectivity. So being a mediator was actually I mean,
I understand the idea that empathy is important, but it
is kind of more important for a mediator to be
(48:20):
objective and to be able to not take sides with
anyone and be able to facilitate communication. So I actually
was quite good at it, and business mediation got me
into property management, which was an interesting path as well.
(48:44):
I kept doing business mediation, but I did property management
for a very long time, and property management there is
a kind of mediation involved in that because you have
to make both the tenant happy and the property owner happy.
I mean, some property managers decide to go one way
(49:04):
or the other. It's just sacrifice one for the other. Oftentimes,
unfortunately they're they're sacrificing the tenant's happiness for the owner.
But that is not I decided that was not good
to do, so I kept a pretty staunch like, we
got to make sure both these people are happy. And actually,
(49:27):
one of the things I ran into over and over
and over again was water. People who had like brown
water or water that smelled like rotten eggs or something
like that. And so I would do testing and it
would come back that the water was within the legal level.
(49:47):
So the owner was like, well, we don't have to
do anything then, so that was its own that was
its own mediation. Well, look, it doesn't matter that it's
in the legal level. You're going to lose the tenant
and not be able to get another one. So let's
like meet in the middle. Anyhow, this is where I
got introduced to Pure Water Northwest. Chris Pelton started Pure
(50:11):
Water Northwest like a decade ago, and he explained to
me first about the whole maximum contaminant level of the
legal level versus the maximum contaminant level goal, which is
the health level. And he explained how it's possible for
water to be that bad but still be legal because
(50:32):
it doesn't actually even though it smells and tastes bad,
it's not bad for you technically. So and I was
just so amazed by that that I kind of bought
into the company and now I'm a co owner of
the company. I've been doing it for six years now,
because it just was so fascinating to me that there
(50:56):
was that problem, that conflict between what's healthy versus what's legal,
what's acceptable, versus what's not, what's hidden? What are hidden
contaminants that you cannot tell at all? Or there like
arsenic that is in most well, I'm scared to say
most water, but in our area is in most water.
(51:18):
There is some level of arsenic in our area, in
most water. And it's just this fascinating area. So that's why,
that's how I got into water treatment.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Cool. And then going back to your point earlier when
we were talking about education and the dinosaurs, and you're like,
unless they switch, even the switching builds on top of
and creates a whole unique path that only that individual
can do.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
You know, that's right, You're right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
And I think it's a wonderful place to start because again,
you know, we get so overwhelmed with how do we
fix things? How do we move from where we are
to where we want to be? It seems like such
a huge there's a lot of ground tocover. It's a
big gap between where we are and where we want
(52:09):
to be. So where do we start? And we start
with some of the the most basic, bare bones, bottom
level stuff, you know, like water. Yeah, like water, So
is it what kind of system do y'all have? What
(52:31):
are y'all? Because I'm seeing like tanks and I assume
these tanks are installed in the home.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, if someone needs that, we we really try to
customize things. So the thing about water treatment is you
can go to home depot or you can go to Amazon,
and you can buy a system for your house. And
the problem with that is if you were to just
(53:00):
buy a softener because you're like, wow, I get white
scale boat up on my faucet. I did ten minutes
of internet research. I need a softener. If you do that,
that will soften your water.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
I explain to people who have no idea what you're
talking about, what that even means.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Oh well, some water has literal rock in it, like minerals,
and then they're not bad for your health to drink, right,
But they will build white scale boat up on your faucets.
You will feel it in your hair, it'll get in
your skin pores, and everyone, almost everywhere, except for very
rare cases, have some level of hardness. And some people
(53:42):
will notice even low levels of hardness, like my daughter
can get Exima from just one hardness, But most people
start noticing it at around four, five, six, and then
you can get all the way up to twelve twenty
thirty and then it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Hard wet water level.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, yeahr ema.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
What else could it cause?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
We had a client who got who had roseation from it.
We had people who had just dry skin, itchy scalp.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Alkay, so mostly with skin issues.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, for people's bodies, mostly skin issues. For your appliances,
it can cause a scale built up inside the inside
the pipe. It can cause appliances to get bad faster.
Hot water heaters really feel the effects of hardness. So yeah,
if you have hardness and you want that fixed, you
(54:42):
get a softener. The only problem with that is, let's
say you also have arsenic or some other contaminant that's
bad for you. You're drinking that anyhow, but you're drinking it
in small doses, which doesn't mean it's okay. It just
means it's not that bad. However, if you were to
have a softener that without having tested for those other things,
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it is possible for the arsenic to build up inside
the softener and then suddenly release in a giant burst.
So all yeah, So, all of a sudden, instead of
having like point zero zero five parts per million of arsenake.
You're having like five parts per million or even point
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five parts per million of arsenake, one hundred times the
amount you normally would be getting all in one drink.
You won't notice that arsenic. You don't notice, you can't
taste it, you can't smell it. It used to be used
to kill people without anyone being able to figure out
they were they were being murdered. And so yeah, that's
that's an example of why thorough testing is what we recommend.
(55:54):
After we do thorough testing, we just create a system
for you. We have to know do you want to
solve for your whole house or just for your drinking water,
And obviously the whole house is going to be more expensive,
and then we just solve it. We we create the
system that solves all of the water, the holistic view
of the water, not just the one thing you happen
(56:16):
to be noticing.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
All right, So like with filters.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, with filters, basically yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Okay, so like an arsenic filter layer and a calcium
filter layer and kind of random stuff off filter layer.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Kind of the problem is is that the real way
to remove this stuff from the molecule of water is
through electrical charge, like it's either positively charged ions or
negatively charged ions to pull that stuff off the water molecule.
(56:53):
So it turns out that the same thing that would
like pull our senic off may also pull nitrates off,
for example, Whereas the same thing that pulls calcium and
magnesium off is going to pull iron and then carbon
is going to pull off stuff like your forever chemicals.
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Only certain grades of iron of carbon, calcium not calcium, chlorine,
chlorine byproducts, and stuff like that. So you really need
to know what's in your water because some things contrast,
and then you need to separate them and they still
work as long as they're kept separate. Basically, that's the
(57:39):
five second version of water treatment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Water science.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Cool? Yeah, water water science. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (57:46):
All right, So are you this You're not the scientist
putting these things together.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
No, I'm just I'm just a kind of a low
level nerd who happens to be pretty good at talking
to pretty good at talking to people about it. Not
the best, but better than some other more nerdy kinds
of people that are smarter than me about water media. Yeah,
(58:15):
Chris actually our founder, he does our water SciTS.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Okay, cool. Yeah, So it's a small team.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You got yeah, yeah, ten people.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Awesome. We love helping out a small business.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
I appreciate that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, So tell every scarry, tell everybody where to find
you and where do they go.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Oh well, if you want to find us and we
can help. If you're out of our area and it's
a quick question, you can still send me a note
and it's I'll help you. It's no problem. If you
go to Purewaternorthwest dot com. You can chat through the
website or there's emails or phone numbers on there. If
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you're local to our area, I'll come visit you. And
if you're outside our area and it's not too long,
I will help you at no cost. But a lot
of people need help. So when it comes to figuring out.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Water, yeah, lots and lots. So you service mainly just
your area.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, the northwest of Washington State. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Cool. I hope to be able to get out there
at some point. My husband was born in California, so
a lot of his family are still out there, and
he came out here when he was in second grade
and kind of settled down. But his brother was born
in like, he was raised in California and just moved
(59:45):
out here with us in the past couple of years,
and they've pretty continuously been talking about a trip to
see the sequoias out there. That would be a dream
of ours.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, that's that's yeah. The whole Western coast is full
of the most amazing trees, so yeah, it'll be that'll
be a fun trip.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah yeah, all right, Well, unless there's anything else you
want to cover we.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Talk about, we pretty much talked about everything. I really Savanna,
I really appreciate you having me on it with uptime conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thank you, I thank you for coming on. I also
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yep. Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
We'll link all those things below and if anybody has
any questions, they can reach out to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, appreciate that. Okay, hey bye,
Yeah, I love talking about water.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, what you do. See, that's the thing A lot
of people do not like talking about water.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, it's scary, for sure. I can understand why. And
there's like a lot of different directions you can go
into it, like I do it. So we're gonna go
on a couple of tangents here. I do a lot
of kayaking, so there I talk about water a lot. Yeah,
in that sense.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In that sense. Yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How even though I do a lot of kayaking, I
the number one thing that I encounter when people when
I'm like, you should come kayaking with this, sometimes they're like,
oh no, no, no, no, that sounds terrifying. I actually
couldn't swim until I was thirteen, so I totally get
(00:53):
how terrifying water is. And and I don't swim in
wild water. I can't see my feet, I can't be
in there. I just like, apparently, wow, I've recently learned
that there there's a phobia that that is I can't
remember what it's called, but yeah, and not that I
(01:15):
haven't ever. Also, though, because growing up in the South
as a girl, you couldn't really be like, you couldn't
really be afraid of things like that that wasn't allowed
because you were already taunted constantly for being a girl.
You know, you hit like a girl, you run like
a girl, like a girl, like all the things. So
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I'll be damned if I wasn't going to do exactly
what all the boys were doing. So if they were
swimming out to the dock, I was also swimming out
to the dock, unable to breathe and nearly paralyzed with
fear the entire time. But I swim out there, So wow,
I get it. I get all the things with the water,
but also on the other side of things, which is
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what we're talking about today. I teach yoga, so we're
all about health and wellness, and I'm constantly explaining to
my suols that they need to drink more water. But
just regular water isn't necessarily going to do it for you.
You have to have the electrolytes and the minerals in
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the water, or your body's most likely not absorbing anything,
so you know, and then there's the whole uh forever
chemicals that are terrifying all the directions of water.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, we focus what you talked about earlier. I like
to call working water, meaning if you're using it or
it's somehow working for you, then that's working water, which
is differentiated from drinking water, because working water you can
have all kinds of arts and in it or p
foss and all that, and it's not that bad. Very
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little of that kind of water gets into your skin.
Very little of the stuff that that you might be
worried about drinking. You don't really worry as much about
getting into your skin.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Right, You're not going to go, I just drink the
river water, but you don't worry too much about being
diving in.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, exactly. But drinking water, yeah, I mean people get
water from you know, a municipality or they get it
from there well, and that water got there by traveling
across all the same ground that you're swimming in. And
it traveled from the from the sky to the mountains,
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across the earth through valleys and dip down into underground
aquifers or were collected on reservoirs, and then it's treated.
It's treated with like chlorine, and and the chlorine helps
some stuff. And then chlorine has its own byproducts that
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it creates. And so if people want that kind of
stuff out of their water, they got to know what's
in their water first. It's like they got to test
it to identify what's actually there.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, and that's a whole process that most people don't
even know where to begin on how to go about
doing that well.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And what I noticed is most people don't even want
to look at it because it's kind of a scary thing. Right,
You've already been drinking that water. Yeah, and it hasn't
killed you yet, So do you want to even look?
And my suggestion to people is that they do look,
they do take a look and see because it is
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a dosage over time kind of problem. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh sure, yeah, and ignorance. Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, you
can't unno, once you do know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Exactly as soon as you open that box and say, okay,
what's in my water yet, that's it? Then you know.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah. I stopped doing tap water years ago. I kind
of I'm I'm cursed with overthinking and anxiety and all that. So,
and I had a lot of health issues starting when
I was about well, I guess my whole life really,
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there's a lot of things that kind of came and
went and stuff that a kid just really shouldn't be
dealing with and you know, it was just normal, and
everybody around me was also pretty sickly because that's just
kind of the standard American way of existing. And it
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wasn't until my mid twenties when I started really being
health conscious and thinking about things like this. And when
I did, I was so paralyzed with what I found
that I had a really hard time eating anything or
drinking anything for really for like, that's that's a thing too.
(06:06):
I can't remember what it's called, but it's pretty common.
When you learn too much about what's in your food
and what's in your water and all of that, you
kind of shut down your parallels with fear. You don't
really know where to turn. But so I invested in
a Burkie water filter years ago. That's the only thing
we use for cooking or drinking water or anything.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Great. Yeah, Burkey is carbon, so they're going to remove
quite a lot of stuff, but not everything. Carbon's pretty
cool though. Carbon's got carbon. If you look at it
through a microscope, you see hundreds of little tunnels inside
of it m M to the point where if you
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take a single gram of carbon and you were to
lay out the whole surface area of carbon it would
cover three tennis corps. Wow, that's how much surface area
that it can use to collect contamination. It does, not, however,
remove all contamination. It is great at chlorine and chlorine byproducts, though,
it's pretty good at pifoss too, forever chemicals. So yeah,
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do you Yeah? I probably, based on what you just
told me, you probably don't want to do like an
evaluation of the water you drink.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
No. I don't want to do an evaluation of myself either.
I am. My husband's been trying to talk me into
going to the doctor for years now, and just to
get blood work done and a check up and run
your bottle signs. I'm good. I'm just gonna like kill
over one day and everybody's gonna be super shocked. It's fine,
that's right. Ignorance is bliss, and I already know too much.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, No, you're right. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
the the uh, the idea that you're at least doing
something is good though.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I do what I can where I can when I can,
and then I try not to stress out about what
I can't get to just yet.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But for those who would be interested. Please tell us
how to go about doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh sure, well, I mean, let's say you're at your
home and you you're drinking water. First thing, first question
I always ask is what's the source of your water?
And so someone's going to tell me one of two things.
You're either going to say it's a private well or
they're going to say it's a treated well. Because everything's
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a well or a reservoir of water in one way,
shape or form. It's either private on your property or
it's shared amongst the community. Whether it's fifteen people or
five thousand people, it's still a shared So that would.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Be what most people were dealing with with, like city
water or county water.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
That's right, that's what most people would be dealing with.
So when you look at that, most city water and
county waters do their own testing. Now you can do
your own testing. There's this website online called tap score
that gets you really easy quick testing, and it's really
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inexpensive for the amount of testing that you get. But
you can also look up for free not only the
city or municipality's own test results, but you can go
to a website called the Environmental Working Group and the
EWG and their tapwater database, and you can find out
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where your water sits on the health guidelines versus the
legal guidelines. And this is where I hope I don't
bore everyone. But the EPA sets the standard for drinking water, right,
the Environmental Protection Agency. But they have two standards. They
have the MCL which stands for maximum contaminant level and
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the MCLG, which stands for maximum contaminant level goal.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
So basically garbage though.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, the the what do you mean what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean the federal standards for contamination of anything are
pretty freaking low.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they're they're not strict. Well, that's whether it's two standards.
The mcl is not very low, that is true. The
MCLG is pretty low. And so if people want to
know what a pretty good standard is for health, you
can actually look up the EPA s MC MCLG and
it's pretty it's a pretty good match for the health standard.
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That is not the standard most people go by, though,
which is so funny to me that the health standard
is not the standard that most people are concerned about.
When you go and do a test on your own
water and you get the report back and it says,
everything's within the limits. They're talking about the legal limit.
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They're talking about the much broader, much less restrictive limit. Yeah,
so if you want to know for yourself, you got
to compare it to a different unless you're fine with
that standard. If you're fine with the legal standard, some
people are. Some people like, I'm healthy, it's fine for me. Great,
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that's good for you if you want a health standard, though,
it's not a bad standard to go by the MCLG.
And then getting your water there is pretty easy once
you know what's in your water. A burkie maybe the
right solution. There may be other things that work. Usually
it requires some math and science to figure out exactly
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what the water treatment should be based on what's in
your water though out. Yeah, so that's basically the advice.
But I usually don't do it in like five minutes
like that. I usually like help them, I roll them
through it, you know, so that way they they take
it step by step and it's not quite so confusing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, overwhelming. Yeah, I'm not trying to overwhelm people. It's
just we've had some interesting situations right where we've had
We've had people who thought their water was great, and
it had like arsenic or cryptosporidium in it, or really uranium.
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We actually had a person have a naturally occurring cyanide spring.
It killed fifty of his cattle, which is that's a
lot of cyanide to kill fifty cattle. And if he
hadn't been on vacation, he would have hied for sure.
So we've seen some crazy stuff with water.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah. I have a friend who is more crazy about
this kind of stuff than I am, and she had
her water tested when they first moved into their house.
They were gonna I don't remember what they were gonna do,
They're going to do something, and in order to do that,
they tested their water first, and uh, come to find out,
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where their house was built used to be a cow
pasture for like years, yeah, years, for a really long time,
and the something in the cow patties had like seeped
into their water supply, and I don't remember what it
was contaminated with, but it was like really.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Bad nitrates probably that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Sounds that sounds right, and uh, they had to so
they they installed a reverse osmosis system.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah that's a good that's a good way to go
for that. Yeah, there that would be like a point
of use solution, like just like at their sink. That's
a great solution. And I'll tell you if you add
electrolytes to reverse osmosis water, that's amazing. That's an amazing
way to go the Uh. You can get that solution
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for your whole house too. You can. You can solve
nitrates for your whole house. Nitrates are rough, especially if
you have a baby. Nitrates can cause I think it's
called blue baby syndrome. It can make a baby turn
blue so and have other issues. So, yeah, that's that
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can be rough for sure. There's fluoride is also in
the news a lot right now.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It is Yeah, what's your stance of.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That, Well, my stance is that the dose matters. That's
my stance in my sta ants is that if it's
a ton of fluorid, it's clearly bad. We have clear
evidence that that causes IQ loss. If it's a little
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bit of fluorid, the evidence is not fully there, though
a very recent study seems to indicate that it may be.
But I also know that in Scandinavia, Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland,
they don't floridate at all, and they have great teeth. Yes,
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I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I've been on the anti florid train for a really
long time. We don't even use florid in our toothpaste.
I mean if it's in the water. Yeah, but I
also went the extra mile with my burkey and got
the floriad filters as well.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh okay, you had the florid add on for that.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, I'm crazy with the hills and the stuff. Yeah,
anti a lot of like can go on that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Forever, you can go on it. I'm just like, fluoride
in toothpaste that seems like very unlikely to be a
problem to me because you're brushing your teeth with it
and then spitting it out.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
And yeah, I mean you are, My children are not.
They're swallowing it.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's true. That's true, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, no,
I get what you're saying. It's I mean, like I say,
there's a lot of evidence on both sides on the
florid debate. It is really hard to argue with what
they with the Sweden, that Scandinavian reality. But then again,
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they eat less sugar than we do too, yeat.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
That amazing what that could do yeah, yeah, we we're
drowning in sugar. Even our household, being as health conscious
as it is, we're still drowning in sugar. I can't
keep it away from my children. I know, it's they
come home with it from school every single day. They
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are grandparents and aunts and uncles and well meaning individuals.
They're they're martial arts teacher, their softball coach, like everybody
means well, bless their hearts. It is so frustrating that
no matter what I do, unless I isolated my children
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and didn't let them see anybody or go anywhere, I
can't keep the sugar out of.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The or moved in.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, I know, I would be wonderful adopt some of
these practices that See, it's always been a thing for
me that it seems like insanity to me that we
have other countries doing something that makes more sense for
our health and well being, and yet we continue to
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do things that go against our health and will being.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean you know why though, I
mean my niece.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Involved so oh sure, marketing because all things culture culture.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
My grandparents. Where are you located? Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Seattle?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, all right, you from there.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, they moved me here. My parents moved me here
when I was eight and I'm like forty eight now, so.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, okay, where did they come from?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Uh, California, California.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay, cool, I'm in North Alabama. Five generations at least.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, So the culture people don't understand because you know,
our memories are short. As people, we only remember more
or less our own life and what has developed and
happened during that very limited span of time. So, my
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grandparents grew up in the Great Depression, and each one
of them had like fourteen brothers and sisters. So they
didn't have access to suites per se, for example. So
now that things have kind of stable, like they didn't
have running water or bathrooms in the house. They had
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outhouses and most of their food came from hunting and gardening.
And so moving forward through history and time a little bit,
now that sugar is so easily accessible to them, they
all have diabetes because you know, they didn't get those
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treats when they were children, and they remembered the rare
occasion that they did get a piece of candy or
a piece of cake or a cupcake or a cookie,
and it was so rare. It only came around on
like two or three times a year, on like holidays
that were really important. And yeah, so now they've overcompensated
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with you know, their diabetic but their entire counter is
full of Debbie cakes and pies and so they want too,
and you know, them, being the loving family members that
they are, want to. They don't want my children to
go without. So they just did that's drown them in sugar.
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And then they're like, they're acting up. I don't know
why they're acting up like this. They're usually so sweet.
They're so sweet when they get here, and then something
happens and they just go crazy. They turn into a
completely different kid. I'm like, yeah, it's all the red
dye forty and the sugar that you just intravenously injected
them with.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Wow, you're really right about that, my kid. I've got
three kids. My oldest seems to manage her own stuff. Thirteen,
My thirteen year old seems to manage her own stuff.
She's like, when she gets some sugar, she like keeps
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it and doles it out slowly to herself over time.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, she's that's her. And then my eleven year old
and my four year old, or definitely whatever they can get.
If I can get sugar from someplace, I want it.
So yeah, it's definitely a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, I've kind of I've looked out with my son.
He's ten and he indulges in the sugar, but not
near as bad as my daughter. She's seven and her
entire diet is pretty much sweet. What did you eat
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for lunch? And she was like, well I had. I
was like, is it just you just had you just
had sugar? You just had sweets for lunch? And no, no,
I had. I had an apple, and I had some
strawberries and I had a banana. Like those are all sugar?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I had vegetables. Well what did you have? I had
carrots and corn, also sugar. Where's the protein?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah? Wow.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I'm trying my best to teach them and instead of
just taking it all away and throwing it in the trash,
which I arguably probably should do, I try to teach them.
So my daughter will She was like, can I have
this piece of candy? And instead of telling her yes
or no, I'll tell her talk to your body. What
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does your body say? How does your stomach feel does
your stomach feel like it needs the sugar? Does it?
You know, like you gotta talk.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
How does that go?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It goes really well actually for the most part, like
it was a learning curve and uh, but it gets on.
It puts the responsibility back on themselves. So yeah, not
only are they learning to manage their own sugar intake,
which is going to do them well later in life
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as they go on, because i mean, like, I'm not
always going to be you know, when they're twenty five
years old or thirty five years old and have their
own family. I'm not going to be in their house
going now, you can't have this, you know, let me
take it all and throw it in the trash. They
need to learn how to manage that themselves. So it
gets her gears going and she'll be thinking, and it's
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so funny because you so she'd be like, I my
body thinks it's fine, my body thinks it's fit. I
think I think my body says it didn't like it.
And I'm like, are you sure, and she's.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like, yeah, yeah, that's what I would expect.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, But that turned in to it's a slow process,
you know, and you know, we're here till we die.
So slow's fine, And it turned into, uh, well, I
don't I don't know what my body is saying. I
don't know my body doesn't talk. What do you mean? Well,
(24:19):
are you sure? Are you sure you don't know what
it's saying? Or do you know what it's saying? And
you just don't like the answer? Yeah, exactly, So like
you know, it's a development process, but we're getting.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, that's great. I love that. I mean, I love
that you're having success with that, because that seems like
it could be very difficult too.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's just a long process. This is a terrible analogy,
but it's the simplest one I have for you. Raising
children is very similar to training dogs. You just have
to be consistent over a long period of time.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Wow, you're probably right about that. Yeah, Like, because can
I tell you I tried to do dog training for
a while. Ooh the patients involved in that, Yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, that depends on the top of dog too. Some
of them will definitely wear your patients more than others.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, did you have you done dog training?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh? We have. We have dogs. We have great Pyrenees mixes,
so we have a great Pyrenees lab mix. His name's Zuko,
and he's very headstrong and he's very smart. But he
knows he's smart, and he knows he's a big dog,
so it takes him. It took a little bit more
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with him than it did our Pyrenees shepherd mix Austa
and you know, the the shepherd in him mixed with
the Great Pyrenees. There, they're they're people pleasers. So he
doesn't run off. He he stays right there with you.
My my husband's family always had huskies and my mother
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in law is a wonderful dog whisperer. She she's very
in tune with them. She trained them all And let
me tell you, to train a husky to do what
you wanted to do takes another level of patience because
and like determination.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
A husky specifically.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Wow, specifically a husky, they are so headstrong. You cannot
no matter what you do, you cannot keep them contained.
They're going to escape, They're going to run no matter what.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Wow. Okay, I mean I'm glad. Yeah, I couldn't have
that here then.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So I'm I'm very big in uh because we had
we had a pit bull lab mix also, and for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He h.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got him when we me and my husband, we
got him when we were so sixteen and stupid and uh,
and we had him until he died of old age,
which was only about three years ago something like. So
I'm very people people looked at him and we're like, oh,
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pit bulls those you know, all the all the things
people say about pit bulls.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I know, people.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, it's it's all about how you raise them, just like,
of course, of course, yes, that being said, different breeds
do have different characteristics that you have to be aware
of and work.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but characteristics of breeds are
just tendencies. Yes, you the way you raise them is definitely.
It's funny what people don't know about dogs. You see
people you see dog bites, like you know, on the
internet or TikTok videos or something, and the first thing
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people do when they get bidden is they like pull away,
which is like the opposite of what you want to
do if you're bidden by a dog. Yeah, they've like
curved back canines, their hooks blushed towards the mouth. It's
it's amazing that we've like known this about dogs for
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so long. So many people own dogs and they still
don't know that. It's weird to me.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, have you heard the whole thing about how we
have more access to knowledge than we ever have and
yet we're dumber than we've ever been.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Right, And what is that about? Like people are just
not self studying. There's no, there's no.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, there's a lot of things to dissect with it.
For example, again the culture when I was growing up,
it wasn't cool to be smart, right, yeah, it was.
You didn't want to you didn't want to be reading
a book, and I know what'd be into Star Wars
and like that was what losers did. I You had
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to be a dumb jock, that was. And so it
was really like and I I grew up in a
really small town, like really small southern town.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
There's like everyone new people.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, everybody knows everybody knows everybody. Again,
I told you in five five generations deep in the
same county, so related to everybody, Yeah exactly. My teachers
went to school with my parents, their parents went to
church with my grandparents. Like everybody knew everybody. And it was.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You change your deodorant and everyone knows I know it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, so you didn't people encouraged you not to read books.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah yeah, so you know there's that working against us.
And then again ignorance and bliss or bliss and ignorance.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I don't know how to combat that, Like, I don't
know what you do about that culture.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's it. It's turning on us.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It is oh, it's I know it's changing, but like
in the moment, that's that's a powerful.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There's nothing you can do. Trust me. I tried, Yeah,
you just gotta I've I was a very angry child,
I say child, a teenager because of all this I
would I wasn't very sports oriented growing up. I am now,
which is hilarious. But I was the one that was
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reading all the books and disassociating into the books and
spilling for ten minutes about this thing that I read
and trying to convince people to not litter. I don't know,
And there I was very angry because nobody would listen,
and there's all this pushback, and eventually I came to
(31:11):
this point to where I realized it wasn't worth my
time or energy to try to change anything around me.
The only thing I could do was try to lead
by example and show them a better way to be.
So that's kind of what I've like taken a step
back and reserved myself to being and that's more powerful
(31:33):
than any And so I guess I developed the whole
entire podcast and everything that I've been doing online for
the past ten years is the tagline for the show
is healing the individual in order to heal the world,
because you know, we all pretty well agree that we
have some things that we need to work on culturally, societal,
(31:56):
like throughout the entire planet. And how do we do
that is we look at how we got here in
the first place, and how we got here in the
first place is hurt people hurting people.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know, that's a nutshell, It's a very simplified version. Yeah,
we could go on a thousand tangents about again consumerism
and big business and corporations and laws and governments and
you know, wars and history and just you know, we
could talk to her blue in the face about all
of it. But at the end of the day, I
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think globally act locally, So me and you were just
one person, and that's okay. And for a long time
I was very overwhelmed with Like I felt like the
weight of the world was on my shoulders because I
knew about all of them. It doesn't make any sense
to me. Why are we doing it like this when
(32:53):
there is very clearly eighteen better ways to do this right, So,
like and again it drove me crazy to the point
of where, like I couldn't turn on the faucet because
that's wasting water, and I couldn't open the frigerator because
that's my carbon footprint, and you know, electricity, and it
(33:16):
just it gets too much. Yeah, so you know, dialing
all of that, I also built the entire platform on
anxiety and mental health. But dialing it back, we're just
one person. How can we be the best us so
(33:36):
that we can be the best us for other people?
You know, because the most impactful things in any of
our lives is the relationships we have with other people. Right,
The most impactful thing for you and I is the
interactions that we had with our parents, the interactions that
we had with our siblings, the interactions that we had
(33:59):
with our best friend growing up, and how those developed
the romantic relationships in our lives, Like all of the
relationships with our mentors, our teachers, our coaches, like, the
people in our lives is what shaped us into who
we are. So you think about the good interactions and
(34:20):
the negative interactions and how those developed and what those caused.
So how do we start having more positive interactions with
the people in our life rather than you know, you
want more positive than negative. Nobody's perfect. But how can
we get more positive than negative? And that's to work
on ourselves so that when we do interact with everybody
(34:41):
else around us, we can be patient and yeah instead
of reactive.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah that sounds very good. I like that. Yeah, this
has been fun.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think I had too much caffeine today.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
No, I mean that sounds that sounds good. The the
the ideas there, they seem right. I I try. I
am did come on here thinking we were going to
talk about water. Turns out we talked about everything, Yeah,
which is which is fun. We talked about sugar dogs,
(35:27):
humanity as a whole. That's fun.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, So we can we can swing back and pick
up any of those tangents if you like, or go back.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Oh I don't, it's it's up to you. I don't know.
I I think I covered the main thing I wanted
to cover. About water, because I think it is important
that people do figure out for themselves what they are
actually drinking. But other than that, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Most people are pretty delusional about what they're drinking. You know.
One of the things when I started getting my health
kicks and stuff and switching over all this, one of
the very common things I encountered when trying to tell
other people about them was that, I, oh, if it
was if it were poisoned, the government would never allow
(36:15):
that on our shelves. Right, Yeah, that's unfortunately, terribly terribly false.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they do. I'd like to bring
people to the middle on this, because the reality is
they do do something, they just definitely can't do everything.
And they will say that. They will say it right
on their website. Like for the water, for example, they say,
(36:47):
this is as close as we can get to the
health level, taking cost and available technology into consideration. That's
like a nearly direct quote from the EPA website. So
the same thing it's going to be true with food.
They're going to say these things are allowed because it's
(37:10):
too expensive or would cost the companies too much money
to have them out, and these things are utterly forbidden.
You can't do this at all. So they do something,
but they definitely cannot just be trusted entirely.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, of course, we don't have the resources for clean
water and healthy food. We have to you know, we
have to squander our resources with other things.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Right exactly? Yeah, no, I know, national security, n no security.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Trillions of dollars. Where did they go? Not into education?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, wouldn't that be interesting? I wonder what that would
look like though, imagine trillions of dollars in education. The
thing is, the education is hard because the main thing
that needs to happen is people have to want to learn.
And as soon as that happens, education is pretty easy.
(38:12):
So what you know, what actually is the limiting factor there?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well, it comes back to the to the children. All
children are innately curious, they all want to learn, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So then what changes that? Right?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Right? We could get on a tangent about that and
talk about that for a while. You want to. The
education system was created to turn out factory workers.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that education being authoritarian,
forceful as opposed to inviting, definitely will have a major
effect on whether people actually want to learn.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah. I had a really hard time in traditional school.
I couldn't fit still at a disk for eight hours
a day and learn about what they wanted me to
learn about. And it's not that I was unruly at all.
I sat still, you know, female we tend to have
an easier time sitting still. But just because I was
(39:18):
sitting still and staring at the teacher didn't mean I
was retaining anything at all. So like I looked like
I was there, but I was mentally three dimensions over. Yeah,
it just in my own complete world, not retaining anything
at all. But as soon as I got and I
(39:40):
went to college and that was a uber waste of
time for me. And as soon as I got out
of the traditional education system, the formal traditional education system,
I learned more on my own than I ever had
in any of that set. Like we could have just
(40:01):
completely locked me in a in a box more or
less and just took me out as soon as I
got out of college, and I would know the exact
same amount of stuff. I think.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
It's that's wow.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Dramatic, but it's also pretty true. The only thing I
really learned in the traditional school setting was how to
be terrified of my surroundings. Honestly, well that's.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Not a good, good thing. I mean, I didn't have
quite as extreme an experience, but I definitely felt like
I didn't learn much from school. What you described about
learning most of it yourself. I think that's that's called
being auto didactic. Okay, auto didactic. It's just means you
(40:56):
self teach. And I think a lot of people would
do that with things they're interested in if it wasn't
for the fact that learning becomes this chore and this
trudge and this just you know, conflict, constant conflict.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
There's a lot of a lot of very successful people
throughout history who were self taught, didn't have any formal education,
or quit school at a young age, and yeah, to
be very highly successful people.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Or successful despite school.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, that was kind of That was probably where I was.
I was doing it mostly out of spite for sure,
But I think most people would land in those categories
if they were available. That's the thing about education reform
is that we have tons of studies that show that
to do better, we actually just need to do less.
(42:00):
We just offer up opportunities for directions of learning. You know,
the way the school system is right now, you touch
on dinosaurs for like a week, maybe two, and then
you move on to the next subject. And then this
kid over here who's just found their passion for dinosaurs,
(42:21):
and that's all they want to talk about, that's all
they want to learn about. And they're like, can we
just talk more about dinosaurs, and teachers like I'm so sorry, No,
we have to move on to the next thing in
the curriculum now that nobody cares about. Probably, And whereas
we could have taken that kid and be like, Okay,
you found your thing. Cool, let me take you and
(42:43):
put you over here with all the other dinosaur stuff. Yeah,
and then there you go, there's our next paleontologist in
fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean, or they switch. But absolutely, there's no
reason why class has to be lecture based. It absolutely
can be project based, or it can be subject based
and people can spend more time on one thing and
expand into other areas from that kind of study. It
(43:13):
is absolutely true that that can happen even with our
current setup, even with the classrooms that have thirty people
in it with one teacher. That teacher could become a facilitator.
But the reason why that doesn't actually make any sense
to people. If you bring it up to an educator
(43:34):
is because when they're staring at students, they're staring at
students that are not interested in learning, and so in
their mind, that's what students are, right.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
So, yeah, it becomes this self perpetuating cycle, which breaking
that breaking a self perpetuating cycle that is the most difficult,
as we talked about earlier, sure, and and.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
A lot of educators, their hands are tied with the
system that wants results.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, well and test results yeah, yeah, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
But again, we have other examples of education systems in
other countries that are doing vastly better than ours and
implement zero testing.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, I don't I don't even know about those. What
there are places that do zero testing?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, the countries that you were talking
about earlier. I don't remember which one, but it's like Sweden.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Or somewhere in Norway or something.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, somewhere over in there they do zero testing and
they have kids that are coming out way better than ours.
A lot of a lot of countries do way better
than this.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Interesting for sure.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah, I've been pretty deep in this for a while.
I always wanted to homeschool because I had very, very
poor experiences with the traditional school system. My husband did not.
He enjoyed school weirdo, and so we compromised with them
going to elementary school in a public setting, and then
(45:21):
it would be their choice when they got into middle
school if they wanted to be homeschooled or to continue
in traditional school. And so we're at that point of
transition now to where our sun will be. Well, there's
a blended program in my town that's super hard to
get into, but it's mostly virtual, So you do all
(45:44):
of your what would be desk work at home on
the computer, and then you go to school a couple
of days a week for group projects and hands on learning.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yes, I agree completely. So we're in the transition. We
didn't quite make it all the way through elementary school,
but we did the best we could. And so I've
been studying all of this pretty heavily for lots of
years now. But how did you get into uh? Has
water always been your passion?
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Oh no, no, no, no no. I got a weird background.
I started in like computers, and I did network architecture
and I went from that to mediation, which is a
weird jump.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
But I did usimply think of tech people being very antisocial,
and then the mediators have to understand people.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, but I'm so I'll go. Even before that, I
kind of was socially awkward, and I mean somebody diagnosed
me as on the spectrum. I don't know if that's true,
but I was definitely given that autism label at some
one point, and I did a lot of study. I
(47:09):
did a ton of a ton of study about a
lot of really sciencey sounding body language things with like
proxemics and oculessics and all that stuff, which all that
means is like how close are you supposed to stand
to people? Where are you supposed to look? Prosodies like
how long are you supposed to take when you pause?
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Oh yeah, that doesn't sound autistic at all.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
What sounds awkward? So anyhow, I just studied that stuff,
which was good because it helped me be like, oh,
that's what's going on. And then my ex wife was like,
maybe you should get braces because you never smile, and
I was like not sure if that was why I
was not smiling, but it definitely sounded like a good idea.
So I got braces and now I smile. I smile
(47:58):
pretty naturally. I know how to talk to people during that,
but I had an interesting gift, which was pretty decent
level of objectivity. So being a mediator was actually I mean,
I understand the idea that empathy is important, but it
is kind of more important for a mediator to be
(48:20):
objective and to be able to not take sides with
anyone and be able to facilitate communication. So I actually
was quite good at it, and business mediation got me
into property management, which was an interesting path as well.
(48:44):
I kept doing business mediation, but I did property management
for a very long time, and property management there is
a kind of mediation involved in that because you have
to make both the tenant happy and the property owner happy.
I mean, some property managers decide to go one way
(49:04):
or the other. It's just sacrifice one for the other. Oftentimes,
unfortunately they're they're sacrificing the tenant's happiness for the owner.
But that is not I decided that was not good
to do, so I kept a pretty staunch like, we
got to make sure both these people are happy. And actually,
(49:27):
one of the things I ran into over and over
and over again was water. People who had like brown
water or water that smelled like rotten eggs or something
like that. And so I would do testing and it
would come back that the water was within the legal level.
(49:47):
So the owner was like, well, we don't have to
do anything then, so that was its own that was
its own mediation. Well, look, it doesn't matter that it's
in the legal level. You're going to lose the tenant
and not be able to get another one. So let's
like meet in the middle. Anyhow, this is where I
got introduced to Pure Water Northwest. Chris Pelton started Pure
(50:11):
Water Northwest like a decade ago, and he explained to
me first about the whole maximum contaminant level of the
legal level versus the maximum contaminant level goal, which is
the health level. And he explained how it's possible for
water to be that bad but still be legal because
(50:32):
it doesn't actually even though it smells and tastes bad,
it's not bad for you technically. So and I was
just so amazed by that that I kind of bought
into the company and now I'm a co owner of
the company. I've been doing it for six years now,
because it just was so fascinating to me that there
(50:56):
was that problem, that conflict between what's healthy versus what's legal,
what's acceptable, versus what's not, what's hidden? What are hidden
contaminants that you cannot tell at all? Or there like
arsenic that is in most well, I'm scared to say
most water, but in our area is in most water.
(51:18):
There is some level of arsenic in our area, in
most water. And it's just this fascinating area. So that's why,
that's how I got into water treatment.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Cool. And then going back to your point earlier when
we were talking about education and the dinosaurs, and you're like,
unless they switch, even the switching builds on top of
and creates a whole unique path that only that individual
can do.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
You know, that's right, You're right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
And I think it's a wonderful place to start because again,
you know, we get so overwhelmed with how do we
fix things? How do we move from where we are
to where we want to be? It seems like such
a huge there's a lot of ground tocover. It's a
big gap between where we are and where we want
(52:09):
to be. So where do we start? And we start
with some of the the most basic, bare bones, bottom
level stuff, you know, like water. Yeah, like water, So
is it what kind of system do y'all have? What
(52:31):
are y'all? Because I'm seeing like tanks and I assume
these tanks are installed in the home.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, if someone needs that, we we really try to
customize things. So the thing about water treatment is you
can go to home depot or you can go to Amazon,
and you can buy a system for your house. And
the problem with that is if you were to just
(53:00):
buy a softener because you're like, wow, I get white
scale boat up on my faucet. I did ten minutes
of internet research. I need a softener. If you do that,
that will soften your water.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
I explain to people who have no idea what you're
talking about, what that even means.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Oh well, some water has literal rock in it, like minerals,
and then they're not bad for your health to drink, right,
But they will build white scale boat up on your faucets.
You will feel it in your hair, it'll get in
your skin pores, and everyone, almost everywhere, except for very
rare cases, have some level of hardness. And some people
(53:42):
will notice even low levels of hardness, like my daughter
can get Exima from just one hardness, But most people
start noticing it at around four, five, six, and then
you can get all the way up to twelve twenty
thirty and then it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Hard wet water level.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, yeahr ema.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
What else could it cause?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
We had a client who got who had roseation from it.
We had people who had just dry skin, itchy scalp.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Alkay, so mostly with skin issues.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yeah, for people's bodies, mostly skin issues. For your appliances,
it can cause a scale built up inside the inside
the pipe. It can cause appliances to get bad faster.
Hot water heaters really feel the effects of hardness. So yeah,
if you have hardness and you want that fixed, you
(54:42):
get a softener. The only problem with that is, let's
say you also have arsenic or some other contaminant that's
bad for you. You're drinking that anyhow, but you're drinking it
in small doses, which doesn't mean it's okay. It just
means it's not that bad. However, if you were to
have a softener that without having tested for those other things,
(55:05):
it is possible for the arsenic to build up inside
the softener and then suddenly release in a giant burst.
So all yeah, So, all of a sudden, instead of
having like point zero zero five parts per million of arsenake.
You're having like five parts per million or even point
(55:29):
five parts per million of arsenake, one hundred times the
amount you normally would be getting all in one drink.
You won't notice that arsenic. You don't notice, you can't
taste it, you can't smell it. It used to be used
to kill people without anyone being able to figure out
they were they were being murdered. And so yeah, that's
that's an example of why thorough testing is what we recommend.
(55:54):
After we do thorough testing, we just create a system
for you. We have to know do you want to
solve for your whole house or just for your drinking water,
And obviously the whole house is going to be more expensive,
and then we just solve it. We we create the
system that solves all of the water, the holistic view
of the water, not just the one thing you happen
(56:16):
to be noticing.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
All right, So like with filters.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, with filters, basically yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Okay, so like an arsenic filter layer and a calcium
filter layer and kind of random stuff off filter layer.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Kind of the problem is is that the real way
to remove this stuff from the molecule of water is
through electrical charge, like it's either positively charged ions or
negatively charged ions to pull that stuff off the water molecule.
(56:53):
So it turns out that the same thing that would
like pull our senic off may also pull nitrates off,
for example, Whereas the same thing that pulls calcium and
magnesium off is going to pull iron and then carbon
is going to pull off stuff like your forever chemicals.
(57:15):
Only certain grades of iron of carbon, calcium not calcium, chlorine,
chlorine byproducts, and stuff like that. So you really need
to know what's in your water because some things contrast,
and then you need to separate them and they still
work as long as they're kept separate. Basically, that's the
(57:39):
five second version of water treatment. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Water science.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Cool? Yeah, water water science. Yeah?
Speaker 1 (57:46):
All right, So are you this You're not the scientist
putting these things together.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
No, I'm just I'm just a kind of a low
level nerd who happens to be pretty good at talking
to pretty good at talking to people about it. Not
the best, but better than some other more nerdy kinds
of people that are smarter than me about water media. Yeah,
(58:15):
Chris actually our founder, he does our water SciTS.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Okay, cool. Yeah, So it's a small team.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You got yeah, yeah, ten people.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Awesome. We love helping out a small business.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
I appreciate that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, So tell every scarry, tell everybody where to find
you and where do they go.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Oh well, if you want to find us and we
can help. If you're out of our area and it's
a quick question, you can still send me a note
and it's I'll help you. It's no problem. If you
go to Purewaternorthwest dot com. You can chat through the
website or there's emails or phone numbers on there. If
(58:59):
you're local to our area, I'll come visit you. And
if you're outside our area and it's not too long,
I will help you at no cost. But a lot
of people need help. So when it comes to figuring out.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Water, yeah, lots and lots. So you service mainly just
your area.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, the northwest of Washington State. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Cool. I hope to be able to get out there
at some point. My husband was born in California, so
a lot of his family are still out there, and
he came out here when he was in second grade
and kind of settled down. But his brother was born
in like, he was raised in California and just moved
(59:45):
out here with us in the past couple of years,
and they've pretty continuously been talking about a trip to
see the sequoias out there. That would be a dream
of ours.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah, that's that's yeah. The whole Western coast is full
of the most amazing trees, so yeah, it'll be that'll
be a fun trip.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah yeah, all right, Well, unless there's anything else you
want to cover we.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Talk about, we pretty much talked about everything. I really Savanna,
I really appreciate you having me on it with uptime conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Thank you, I thank you for coming on. I also
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yep. Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
We'll link all those things below and if anybody has
any questions, they can reach out to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, appreciate that. Okay, hey bye,
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