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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back. We're glad you're still with us. This was
a busy and contentious day on Capitol Hill as Governors
Kathy Hokeel, JB. Pritzker, and Tim Walt, all Democrats, appeared
before the House Oversight Committee to testify about their so
called sanctuary state policies that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities.
There were a lot of fireworks, including this moment when
(00:24):
news of the incidents surrounding Senator Padilla had reached members.
Florida Democratic Congressman Maxwell Frost, he disrupted the committee to
make a motion to subpoena the Secretary of Homeland Security,
that's Christino, and he was denied by the chairman. Comer
and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green had something to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Say, I have a point of order, states your point.
We need to subpoena chair recognization.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Thank you, mister chairman. Reclaiming my time, reclaiming, reclaiming my time.
In day oh, democrats can't follow the rules, can't follow
the law.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, So the fireworks didn't stop there. Earlier in the hearing,
Republican members asking about the governors about specific instances of
violence committed by undocumented immigrants in their communities, and Democrats
attacking President Trump's deployment of federal troops to Los Angeles. Now,
there was one striking moment when Florida Congressman Maxwell Frost,
who we saw on that clip, asked the governors how
(01:28):
they would respond to threats of arrest from borders. Are
Tom Homan, you know he made that threat and then
pulled it back. Regarding Governor Newsom, he floated that idea,
and so Frost wanted to know if this is something
that other lawmakers would be would be able to handle.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
If Tom Homan comes to Albany to arrest me, I'll say,
go for it. You can't intimidate a governor. What is
this country coming to when people can threaten us on
social media and cable news and try to stop us
from doing our jobs.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
If Tom Holman were to come to try to arrest
us me rather, I can say first of all that
he can try. I can also tell you that I
will stand in the way of Tom Holman going after
people who don't deserve to be frightened in their communities,
who don't deserve to be threatened terrorized. I would rather
(02:24):
that he came and arrested me than do that to
the people of my state.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I think threatening arrests on elected officials, congress Menuel, it
doesn't help any of us. And Governor Pritzker's right. Our
citizens are scared and angry, and there's not necessary We
can fix this with a bipartisan border bill.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Help us out building the narratives. They're joining me now
on Capitol Hill is our colleague Melanie Zanona, and Melanie,
I mean fireworks. It might as well be the fourth
of July. From what we saw at the Oversight Committee today.
Can you tell us what did you take away from
this hearing? You got to see it in full. What's
the takeaway?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Yeah, there were a number of explosive moments today as
these Democratic governors went toe to toe with Republicans on
the committee over Trump's immigration policies. Governor Tim Walls, who
was just the vice president on professional nominee. He was
billed repeatedly by Republicans for comparing Ice agents to Gestapo.
Republicans were demanding an apology over and over again, but
(03:22):
Walls did not back down and he did not issue
an apology. I want you to watch on most moments
and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
On the other side, Governor, do you and other Democrat
politicians understand why referencing ICE as Gestapo is offensive?
Speaker 8 (03:39):
So you're calling ICE agents modern day Nazis given the
attacks on ICE agents that took place in Los Angeles
over the weekend, don't you regard your dangerous inflammatory rhetoric
is a problem.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
You said earlier that the ICE agents under the orders
of President Trump or a modern day Gestopo. Do you
realize how does discussing a phrase that is considering the
history of Nazi Germany? Would you like to recant that
state what.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I said, Congressman and I have a long history exploiting
law enforcement. I said President Trump was using them as
his modern day to stop boat.
Speaker 10 (04:13):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
That second lawmaker that you heard here, that was Tom Emmer.
He is a member of leadership. He's also from Minnesota.
Tim Wallas's home state. He doesn't even belong on the committee,
but he was waived on in orders to go face
to face with his home state governor. And that last
lawmaker that you've heard there, that was Brian Donalds of Florida.
Speaker 10 (04:30):
He's actually running for governors.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
So you know, while this hearing was mostly about policy,
there was a lot of political dynamics at play because
there were a number of other lawmakers on both sides
of the Isle who are either running for higher office,
potentially hiring, eyeing governor bids, or in the case of
some of these governors, being floated for twenty twenty eight.
So in some ways, this hearing was also kind of
like an audition.
Speaker 10 (04:52):
Process for some of these members.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It was like a showcase for other candidates, and I
expect we will see some of these clips later on
in and so forth. There were also some questions that
were off the designated topic today, dealing with obviously the
immigration issues, but some people also wanted to question Governor
Walls about his knowledge of former President Biden when again
(05:14):
he was on the ticket with Vice President Harris. What
was that about.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Yeah, of course Republicans wanted the opportunity to grill someone
who was close to the administration because they've been itching
to go after Biden and what they say has been
the cover up of his mental decline. That is something
that Congressional Republicans are actually investigating on that House Oversight
Committee that held that hearing today. They're also bringing in
a number of former Biden officials for transcribed interviews in
(05:42):
the coming days and weeks to try to highlight that issue.
So undoubtedly they use this opportunity today with Walls in
the hot seat to talk about that very issue.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So we could sort of divide this in the themes
that the two parties wanted. Republicans wanted to talk about
crimes committed by undocumented immigrants in the states that these
governors represent, and Democrats also wanted to really get at
the agenda of the Trump administration where they have points
to make. How would you describe their ability to get
(06:12):
those narratives through.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Yeah, well, Kelly, it's also important to point out here
this hearing was actually planned over a month ago, and.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
It just happened to come at this really.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Timely moment where we're seeing these ice raids playing out
in California, We're seeing these protests play out and the
federal response to them, and so for Republicans, it was
an opportunity to highlight what they say are these liberal
run cities that are out of control. They really took
the chance to highlight some of the crimes committed by
undocumented immigrants. They feel like that is a strong message
(06:40):
for them, and that is something that Trump ran on
obviously as a candidate, but for Democrats on the flip
side here, it was an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (06:48):
To highlight what they say has been the overreach by.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
The Trumpet administration federalizing National Guard troops, deploying active duty Marines.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
So both parties really had this.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Chance to talk about this hot button issue of immigrant
in their own respective ways, and obviously this is an
issue that is only continuing to escalate between the.
Speaker 10 (07:06):
Two parties right now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Honing very different messages. Mel thank you so much, We're
glad you were with.
Speaker 10 (07:11):
Us, and we thank you for watching.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
And remember stay updated on breaking news and top stories
on the NBC News app or watch live on our
YouTube channel.
Welcome back. We're glad you're still with us. This was
a busy and contentious day on Capitol Hill as Governors
Kathy Hokeel, JB. Pritzker, and Tim Walt, all Democrats, appeared
before the House Oversight Committee to testify about their so
called sanctuary state policies that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities.
There were a lot of fireworks, including this moment when
(00:24):
news of the incidents surrounding Senator Padilla had reached members.
Florida Democratic Congressman Maxwell Frost, he disrupted the committee to
make a motion to subpoena the Secretary of Homeland Security,
that's Christino, and he was denied by the chairman. Comer
and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green had something to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Say, I have a point of order, states your point.
We need to subpoena chair recognization.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Thank you, mister chairman. Reclaiming my time, reclaiming, reclaiming my time.
In day oh, democrats can't follow the rules, can't follow
the law.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, So the fireworks didn't stop there. Earlier in the hearing,
Republican members asking about the governors about specific instances of
violence committed by undocumented immigrants in their communities, and Democrats
attacking President Trump's deployment of federal troops to Los Angeles. Now,
there was one striking moment when Florida Congressman Maxwell Frost,
who we saw on that clip, asked the governors how
(01:28):
they would respond to threats of arrest from borders. Are
Tom Homan, you know he made that threat and then
pulled it back. Regarding Governor Newsom, he floated that idea,
and so Frost wanted to know if this is something
that other lawmakers would be would be able to handle.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
If Tom Homan comes to Albany to arrest me, I'll say,
go for it. You can't intimidate a governor. What is
this country coming to when people can threaten us on
social media and cable news and try to stop us
from doing our jobs.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
If Tom Holman were to come to try to arrest
us me rather, I can say first of all that
he can try. I can also tell you that I
will stand in the way of Tom Holman going after
people who don't deserve to be frightened in their communities,
who don't deserve to be threatened terrorized. I would rather
(02:24):
that he came and arrested me than do that to
the people of my state.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I think threatening arrests on elected officials, congress Menuel, it
doesn't help any of us. And Governor Pritzker's right. Our
citizens are scared and angry, and there's not necessary We
can fix this with a bipartisan border bill.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Help us out building the narratives. They're joining me now
on Capitol Hill is our colleague Melanie Zanona, and Melanie,
I mean fireworks. It might as well be the fourth
of July. From what we saw at the Oversight Committee today.
Can you tell us what did you take away from
this hearing? You got to see it in full. What's
the takeaway?
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Yeah, there were a number of explosive moments today as
these Democratic governors went toe to toe with Republicans on
the committee over Trump's immigration policies. Governor Tim Walls, who
was just the vice president on professional nominee. He was
billed repeatedly by Republicans for comparing Ice agents to Gestapo.
Republicans were demanding an apology over and over again, but
(03:22):
Walls did not back down and he did not issue
an apology. I want you to watch on most moments
and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
On the other side, Governor, do you and other Democrat
politicians understand why referencing ICE as Gestapo is offensive?
Speaker 8 (03:39):
So you're calling ICE agents modern day Nazis given the
attacks on ICE agents that took place in Los Angeles
over the weekend, don't you regard your dangerous inflammatory rhetoric
is a problem.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
You said earlier that the ICE agents under the orders
of President Trump or a modern day Gestopo. Do you
realize how does discussing a phrase that is considering the
history of Nazi Germany? Would you like to recant that
state what.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I said, Congressman and I have a long history exploiting
law enforcement. I said President Trump was using them as
his modern day to stop boat.
Speaker 10 (04:13):
Now.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
That second lawmaker that you heard here, that was Tom Emmer.
He is a member of leadership. He's also from Minnesota.
Tim Wallas's home state. He doesn't even belong on the committee,
but he was waived on in orders to go face
to face with his home state governor. And that last
lawmaker that you've heard there, that was Brian Donalds of Florida.
Speaker 10 (04:30):
He's actually running for governors.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
So you know, while this hearing was mostly about policy,
there was a lot of political dynamics at play because
there were a number of other lawmakers on both sides
of the Isle who are either running for higher office,
potentially hiring, eyeing governor bids, or in the case of
some of these governors, being floated for twenty twenty eight.
So in some ways, this hearing was also kind of
like an audition.
Speaker 10 (04:52):
Process for some of these members.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It was like a showcase for other candidates, and I
expect we will see some of these clips later on
in and so forth. There were also some questions that
were off the designated topic today, dealing with obviously the
immigration issues, but some people also wanted to question Governor
Walls about his knowledge of former President Biden when again
(05:14):
he was on the ticket with Vice President Harris. What
was that about.
Speaker 7 (05:18):
Yeah, of course Republicans wanted the opportunity to grill someone
who was close to the administration because they've been itching
to go after Biden and what they say has been
the cover up of his mental decline. That is something
that Congressional Republicans are actually investigating on that House Oversight
Committee that held that hearing today. They're also bringing in
a number of former Biden officials for transcribed interviews in
(05:42):
the coming days and weeks to try to highlight that issue.
So undoubtedly they use this opportunity today with Walls in
the hot seat to talk about that very issue.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So we could sort of divide this in the themes
that the two parties wanted. Republicans wanted to talk about
crimes committed by undocumented immigrants in the states that these
governors represent, and Democrats also wanted to really get at
the agenda of the Trump administration where they have points
to make. How would you describe their ability to get
(06:12):
those narratives through.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Yeah, well, Kelly, it's also important to point out here
this hearing was actually planned over a month ago, and.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
It just happened to come at this really.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Timely moment where we're seeing these ice raids playing out
in California, We're seeing these protests play out and the
federal response to them, and so for Republicans, it was
an opportunity to highlight what they say are these liberal
run cities that are out of control. They really took
the chance to highlight some of the crimes committed by
undocumented immigrants. They feel like that is a strong message
(06:40):
for them, and that is something that Trump ran on
obviously as a candidate, but for Democrats on the flip
side here, it was an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (06:48):
To highlight what they say has been the overreach by.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
The Trumpet administration federalizing National Guard troops, deploying active duty Marines.
Speaker 10 (06:55):
So both parties really had this.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Chance to talk about this hot button issue of immigrant
in their own respective ways, and obviously this is an
issue that is only continuing to escalate between the.
Speaker 10 (07:06):
Two parties right now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Honing very different messages. Mel thank you so much, We're
glad you were with.
Speaker 10 (07:11):
Us, and we thank you for watching.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
And remember stay updated on breaking news and top stories
on the NBC News app or watch live on our
YouTube channel.
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