BONUS EPISODE: Clinically DEAD Woman SAVED By LIGHT Being; Sent Back w/ MESSAGE for HUMANITY (NDE) with Michelle Clare

Michelle Clare is a Certified Medium, Angel Intuitive, Spiritual Coach, Energetic Healer, Intuitive Life Coach, and 3-time Near Death Experience (NDE) survivor. She receives messages from loved ones who have crossed over, as well as Angels and Life Guides. In a span of 11 years she had 3 near death experiences, the first was in April 2000, the second was in May 2006 and a monumental life changing event in which Michelle suffered a traumatic brain injury on November 1, 2011. Shortly after this life after death altering event, she started receiving information for other people from their loved ones who had transitioned. All 3 NDE's were a reminder of an unconditional love and connection that surpasses our earthly life. During readings, Michelle is divinely guided by the client's Spirit Team to lovingly empower, direct, provide comfort and hope for each individual. She is known for giving factual information: personality traits, characteristics, and validations of signs that loved ones are sending. She helps each person she reads to raise their vibration, clear their energy and understand that they are not living life alone. Michelle has been featured in Craig McMahon’s Amazon Prime documentaries, “Life To Afterlife: I Died, Now What” and “Life To Afterlife: Death and Back, Chapter 3”.

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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the
guests and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of the show, its host or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we have near
death experiencer Michelle Claire. Michelle died three times and not

(01:45):
only did you see Jesus, but she also ran into
her twelve foot guardian angel and many many other things
on the other side. This story is remarkable and I
cannot wait to share it with you guys. So let's
dive in. I'd like to welcome to the show Michelle Claire.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hey do Michelle, I'm wonderful. How are you today, Alex, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Doing very well. Thank you so much for coming on
the show. You've lived a very uneventful life, obviously, why
are you here on the show. No, you've lived a
very interesting life thus far, and I'm here to talk
a little bit about your death experiences, which is not
just one, not just two, but apparently three. So question

(02:30):
number one, what are you doing? And you need to
stop it and other things that you do in the
world as well. So before I start, the first question
I have for you is what was your life like
before your first near death experience.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah. Well, I was raised with a dad who was
in the Air Force a mom who was an RN,
so I had a pretty normal upbringing. I would say,
you know, my parents worked hard. I have one sister
who has severe cerebral palsy, so I always had a
soft spot in my heart for people with special needs
like that, and now I have a total three sisters,

(03:04):
no brother, so it was pretty normal. At the age
of twelve, my grandfather passed. And when my grandfather passed,
I noticed that he and I were still communicating. So
I would tell my mom, hey, Grandpa said you know this,
and she would say, well, I know that's what you
think he would say if he was still here. So
I quickly learned that this connection with Grandpa and myself
was pretty much for me. Nobody else seemed to be

(03:27):
talking to him, and so I let it go with that,
and then my grandmother transitioned A couple of years later,
same thing. Talking to Grandma told my mom my mom said, well,
that's what you think should say she was here, So
I learned, Okay, we're going to keep this connection in
myself too, right.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And then, as did you go deeper into any of
this conversation, into this vibe, into this world of being
able to talk to the other side? I mean, as
you got older, I'm assuming you obviously understood a little
bit more and started going, you know, the other kids
aren't doing this. So did you start to investigate as
you got older into this world?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know? I did not. I started. I did realize
that other kids weren't doing this, so I just kind
of kept it from my own little secret secret, and
I didn't really share it with many people. I truly
didn't know the word mediumship. I didn't know what that was.
I had never heard of a near death experience, so
I knew I had had experiences after I'd had these ndies,
but I didn't know they were near death experiences. And

(04:25):
I just kind of always had this open connection with spirit,
but I was very much aware that not everyone else
around me was having the same experience.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
So tell me your first Tell me what happened with
your first near death experience?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, my first one happened in April of two thousand
and I was in the hospital that day because my
sister in law was having a baby. So I was
in the hallway talking to RN, who was my friend
from high school, and all of a sudden, I have
this massive seizure, and yeah, I had never had one
before that. So what I remember is I remember opening

(04:59):
my eyes and I am laying with my head in
my grandma's lap, and she looks like the youngest, healthiest
version of her that I can remember, and I'm just
in awe. I'm in a timeless space. I'm filling this
blissful love. And I start to look around and I
noticed that I'm in this white room, and although the

(05:20):
walls seem to be solid, it's as though every cellar
molecule in them is alive and breathing, and it's radiating
this light and love. And as I'm just really soaking
it in listen, I was enjoying it. I was like, Oh,
this felt really good, right. I look up next to
my grandma and there's a twelve foot angel standing next

(05:41):
to her, and at that moment, I'm really just drawn
into her presence. And I remember thinking, oh, I want
to see her wings because I expected to have these
huge feather wings, and as I went to look for them,
they were actually light. They were made of light, and
they were like the Aurora borealis, where they were just
moving and inridescine and timeless almost seemed to span eternity,

(06:06):
and so I was really present. I would say I
had never been more present in my life than I
was in those moments, and they actually felt more real
than my daily life fills now. And as I was
laying there, I looked at this angel and I was
thinking in my head, what is your name? And she
answered me, and I was really surprised because I didn't
know anything about telepathic communication either, and she said her

(06:29):
name was Madeline and that she was one of my
guardian angels. So I am just laying here in this
space and joining my grandma and joining the love. Truly,
when we think about something like winning the lottery, people
think about the freedom that comes with that. Oh my gosh,
I'm not going to have to worry about bills anymore.
I'll hire a chef. Right, we think of the freedom

(06:52):
that that gives us. Well, when we go to this
timeless space, the freedom is infinite. We don't have to
worry about eating, being cold, being hot, pain bills. It's
truly all of our human worries are taken away and
we get to be pure love and present in the moment,
which was this experience that I was having. And I

(07:13):
had grown up filling left, but I had never felt
as loved as I had felt in these moments there,
and so as I was laying in this space and
just enjoying it all, the next thing I know, I
hear someone yelling code, code, code, and I was back
in my body. My body felt so heavy and so dense.

(07:35):
I felt like I had literally just fell out of
a ten story building back into my body. And at
that point in time, I guess I had stopped breathing,
and since I was already in the hospital, they had
called CODE, so they admitted me. And they actually never
found out exactly what caused the seizure, and I had
never had another one since then.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well let me ask you, though, since you were able
to speak to the other side, did you ever ask
why what was the purpose of that one? Since you
didn't have like a full blown conversation of someone or
have a life review at that moment or something going, hey,
youre's being sent back because you've got to cure cancer.
That's your mission. You didn't get that. So what was
the purpose of that first one?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Right? So what I found out later is the purpose
was really to bring awareness to that angelic realm and
that higher awareness and that higher consciousness of this is
real and you can access it, which is something I
had grown up Catholic. I believed in angels and saints
and all of these beings of light who were here
to help us. But there's very much a difference from

(08:37):
believing in something and then experiencing it, right, And so
that first near death experience was about the experience the
amplification process for my soul to say, oh, yes, I remember.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Got it. Okay, So you had this experience. Did you
start talking about it to anybody yet? And how old
were you when this happened?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
So I was It's a good question. I'm remembering. I
was about twenty five when this happened and I started.
I talked to my mom about it a couple of
weeks later. So I didn't you know, Like I said,
I knew I had an experience, but I didn't know
I had a near death experience. And when I told
my mom this she was kind of like, okay, I mean,
she believed me, but she wanted me to somehow have

(09:20):
some type of proof for evidence, which I did not have,
but she knew. I told her, I said, mom, I
felt so loved. I never felt this loved and it
was so real, and Grandma looked so healthy, and this
angel talked to me, and so she very much believed me,
but she was always trying to wrap her scientific mind
around how this is happening and how it could be.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, so how old are you? You had the second one?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So when I had the second one, I was thirty.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Two, okay, and and what happened in this one?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay? So with that one, I had had my son.
So by this point in time, when I'm thirty two,
I have three little kids. I have a five year old,
two and a half and my son who was infant.
He was six weeks old after I had him. I
had had a lot of complications, so I was in
the hospital about four out of six weeks. I had infections.
I was on ivy antibiotics, and the doctor said, well,

(10:13):
we just need to do a DNC, which is a
procedure they do to clear out the uterus you'll be fine.
Forty five minute outpatient procedure will send you home. It'll
be good. The night before, I just had this gut
instinct that I should not do this, but you know what,
they offered me a quick fix, and I was really
ready to be home. So I went in. And I

(10:34):
had had anesthesia prior to this for other treatments, and
I remember it was just a blank space. It wasn't
a dream, it was nothing. It was just a blank space.
So I remember counting backwards for the anesthesiologists, and the
next thing I know, I'm laying on the gurney in
the operating room, and I had a beautiful white German
shepherd named Tahoe who had transitioned a couple of years

(10:56):
before this. She walked in laiter head on my gurney,
looked at me, and we were gone.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
We just disappeared out of this room. We were on
this phenomenal, radiant beach, and every drop of water, every
cell in every plant, every molecule of sand, everything radiated
this light and this love and seemed to have its
own intelligence. There was there were just colors that we

(11:35):
don't have here. There were again timelessness, peace, bliss. It's
really hard to put these experience in the human words
because they were so much bigger than that. So as
I was with her, we were running on this beach,
and I was once again looking at her. She looks young, healthy, vibrant.
We're having this telepathic communication. She's so unhappy I'm there,

(11:59):
and I noticed we're on the sand, but it actually
ends up filing like clouds. It doesn't feel like beach
stand right, And I start to notice after a while, gosh,
I'm not getting tired, I'm not getting hot, I'm not
getting thirsty, and it felt like we had run quite
a while at that moment. Well, here's a little funny

(12:19):
side note to that. I actually personally hate running, and
I tell people if they see me running, call nine
one one. That's like an emergency, right, that's not me
just going for a jog. So here I am, in
my near death experience, just running on the beach right,
loving every moment of this. But what it really was,
what it was being present in that moment. And one
of the things I learned in this near death experience

(12:40):
was there was only each step that I took, there
was only each breath that I was taking. So it
was about being truly present in the moment, which is
a huge challenge for us as humans because we have
a million things pulling on our energy and our attention
at all times. So as I was running with her

(13:01):
on this beach, all of a sudden, I could fill
my son, who was back at my house with my
mom calling to me, and he was scared because he
knew I was getting ready to leave. And so in
that moment, my soul was able to be in more
than one place at a time, which I didn't know
our souls could do before that. So I actually went
to him and I remember saying to him, I promise,

(13:24):
I'm not going to leave you. I will find a
way to stay. And I start praying and I start saying,
it's not my time. I need help. The next thing
I know, I'm back in the operating room, but not
laying on the gurney. I'm standing there and was almost
overviewing it. I feel Jesus come in, and Jesus comes
in very much as my friend, like I'm here to

(13:44):
help you. What do you need? Not the bow down
to me start praying. It was like here, I am right,
and it was so comforting and so full of love,
and I see this operating room light up and the
next thing I know, I'm waking up and postop and
my forty five minute procedure turned into a three and
a half hour emergency surgery because they had ruptured my

(14:06):
uterus in two places and they actually missed my A
order by a millimeter. Right, yeah, yeah, So that gut
feeling the night before about maybe you shouldn't do this
probably should have started there.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So again, so this is another experience. So both these
near death experiences are not, for lack of a better word, traditional,
there there's these are more just they're they're not you know,
I'm sure the third one will be a little bit different.
But it just seemed like experiences almost dreamlike in many ways.

(14:40):
There's there isn't. It doesn't seem like there's anyone talking
to you other than your dog and you're running on
the beach. That's very dreamlike. That's not associated normally with
a near death experience. But I understand, Like I had
a anesthesia when I was younger, I had an operation
and I just remember black. It was just it's gone,
and then next thing I remember was waking up. That

(15:02):
was it. There was no I didn't have any experiences.
So I understand the pit of darkness that anesthesia puts
you in, Like there's no dreaming, there's no thinking, it's
you're done, you're out right old. So I understand that.
But it's really interesting that what was a purpose of
the second one or was this just like oops, like.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I know, well, I think it was an oops on
the doctor's part obviously there right, But for me, it
was actually once again about so my soul remembering and
kind of this amplification process where it was. Now I
had an awareness my soul can be in more than
one place at a time. I'm multites. I found out
I had always grown up believing in Jesus, but guess what,

(15:46):
I had first hand contact with him. He was real,
and he wasn't coming in asking me to bow down
and pray to him and sit at his feet for
eternity and sing to him. Right. He was there as
my friend to help me. And so it really brought
to get other a true knowing in my heart and
my mind and my body and my soul that we

(16:06):
are supported and we are guided and we are loved
and we are watched out for more than our human
mind can ever comprehend.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
So it's from my understanding, like, so to learn that lesson,
they're they're going to an extreme here, you're dying a
lot of these lessons that you're just talking about. People
getting through meditation, have gurus who walk through them. There's
so many other ways to get this information. But with you,
they keep killing you. This is a problem.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
It is a problem. I would never say I did
it the easy way. I did not.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's just because I mean everything you just said, like, oh,
there's Jesus, Well, people find that meditations. People find that
deep meditation, you know, they go off to India and
they can find that, or or they have Yogi's or
they have gurus. All this information, everything you've gone through
so far in these two near death experiences can easily
have been discovered in other ways. Is there reason? Why

(17:00):
are you just stubborn that they said she's hard headed,
We're going to have to do something to really get
her attention, which I've heard as well. Is that what
think happened?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I do think that that was part of it. I
would also say the upbringing that I had I wasn't.
You know. My mom at that point in time was like,
don't even go to a chiropractor. Chiropractors are bad. Well,
now you see him on every corner, right, right, So
and everyone goes to chiropractor pretty much, right. So I
was raised in this very kind of strict Catholic this
is what we do. This is the only way to

(17:30):
do it. I had no idea what meditation was. There
was no way my mom was going to suggest I
go find a guru to help you fight them. So
I think my soul said I will find this, but
I'm going to have to do it the hard way.
Because I also believe I did choose that family and
I did choose that upbringing.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Right, this is the path, this is the path that
you were, This is the plan that you kind of
came into this life with. And like, these people are
going to teach me what I need to be taught
and they're going to set me up for the path
that I need to walk in this life. So that
makes sense to me. Yeah, because I mean, I say
very lucy goosey like, oh, meditation, not that I was
raised with it, but it was something that was brought

(18:09):
into my life and things like that. But I understand
there was no outlet for you to have that. This
was it seemed like the only way that you can
get this information.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It did. And then the other thing I would say
about that is, in hindsight, the universe is always tapping
us on the shoulder, right, wanting to give us a message.
So I would say I had been tapped on the shoulder,
probably multiple times, and for whatever reason, chose to ignore it,
so it kept getting my attention in a more extreme way, right.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
And that's I say that all the time to people
that're like, oh, yeah, you know, they start with the tap,
they whisper, sometimes they tap, then they poke, and then
a car hits you, right because you're not listening. So
this was your car essentially basically it.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Was yeah, and you know, I didn't know. I didn't
have the tools in my human upbringing to find the universe.
And another way that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
All right, So now you've gone through two of these,
and have you already started to go down more of
a spiritual path. Have you started to investigate what you're seeing?
Are you questioning what you're supposed to be doing here?
Any of that's happening these next two. For these last two, well.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
The good news is yes, that has started to refer now,
thank god, thank god, but not at great levels, but
it has started. So I did start becoming more interested.
Like I finally heard the word mediumship. Oh, this is
what I've been doing with Grandma and Grandpa this whole time.
We've been talking through mediumship. So I started to find
out a little bit more. However, at this point in time,

(19:40):
we have now a five year old, a two and
a half year old, a three year old. I come
back with a lot of physical trauma, so it takes
me months to get back to where I was. So
although I had another soul expansion, I did not have
it still to the extent that I should have had it.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Right, Okay, so the universe has tapped you and it's
actually you all cross the face twice already, right, and
it's not it's not cooking in yet. So now you
have your third near death experience. Can you please tell
us what happened?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well, I would just like to start by saying I was.
I'm really happy to say I finally got it.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I'm hoping. I mean I'm hoping because I don't want
anything to happen in this interview at this point in
the game.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's right, but you will have the you will have
it firsthand. It will all be recorded. She was here,
she told everyone the fourth one would be your last,
and apparently she was right, because she's wrong.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Now, right, could you imagine? Can you take a camera
with you and send back a footage please?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh, so my third one happened in November twenty eleven.
For people who like numbers, this happened on eleven one eleven.
So there's a lot of ones in there, right, One
more way the universe is trying to get our attention.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Right, We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
And so in my house, I have fourteen foot ceilings.
I was about twelve feet off the ground because I
have candles that are battery operated and every night they
turn on and glow and all of this good stuff.
My kids were older now, my youngest was five, my
other one was eight, and then I had a ten
year old, and so my younger two were home with me,
and I said, as soon as I put this candle

(21:25):
back up, we're going to go get your sister. So
I climb up the ladder, and as I get to
the top, I feel it start to shift, and I
had was one second to think this is going to hurt,
because I knew it was going down. And at that moment,
I am absolutely ripped out of my body, not in
a painful way, but in a fast way. And I

(21:45):
am turned around and I can see my body and
the ladder suspended in the air, and I am standing
with three people and I had never met them in
this life, but I feel like I've known them forever.
They feel like family, close friends, and I actually I
can remember so vividly what they looked like. One was
an Egyptian woman, one was an Asian man, and one

(22:06):
was a Hawaiian man. And they were standing there and
telepathically they said to me, what would you like to do?
Do you want to stay or do you want to go?
And I was a little bit taken back because this
all had happened so fast, and once again I'm in
this timeless space and in this blissful, unconditional love, and
I was looking at my body and the ladder in

(22:28):
the air, and I realized, gosh, it's going to hit
the floor and probably less than a second. But I
had forever to make this decision, and so I kind
of got stuck in this little loophole where I was thinking, like,
isn't this interesting. They're not rushing me. I feel like
they should be, like Michelle, Michelle, what do you want
to do? Hurry, hurry? I had forever to decide. So

(22:48):
as I was standing there looking at my body and
the ladder suspended in the air, I saw a different
angel come in and this one was dressed in red
and gold and absolutely just got brilliant and glowing. And
when I saw this angel, I knew immediately this angel
is here to either take me home or make something
happen so that I could stay. So as I was

(23:11):
in this moment, I looked in the kitchen and I
saw my younger two kids were there, and as soon
as I saw the kids, I said, oh, I've got
to stay. And in that instant I was just downloaded
with so much information I was I was told, Okay,
but being a stay at home mom's not your only purpose.
We expect more from you. Now. You need to go back.
You need to do your mediumship in the way that

(23:32):
only you can do it. There's a million mediums but
we're all individuals with that. They told me that my
marriage probably wouldn't survive this change in me. I mean,
there was just countless amounts of information that was downloaded,
and some of it I don't remember to this day.
What will happen is like something will come along and
there will be a site, a sound, a word that

(23:54):
will trigger it, and I'll go back to that moment
and say, oh, yeah, they told me that. So it's
really interesting when I think about this. The pivot point
of my entire life happened in the moment when spirit
stopped time. That is when everything shifted for me, so
clearly I came back. I fell. I hit the back

(24:16):
of my head on the corner of my granite island
in the kitchen, so I had a five and a
half inch skull fracture that when I had a brain bleed,
lost my taste, my smell, my equilibrium, part of my hearing,
and they took me to the hospital. Obviously, what they
decided was I survived the fall by half an inch
because I had missed my brainstem by half an inch,

(24:38):
which would have been the difference between life and death.
And I knew when I saw that angel that was
the purpose of it. So after this, the next few months,
I was really just trying to heal. I was in
the hospital for a while, I was in vestibular therapy,
physical therapy, I had different things I was doing, and

(24:58):
my son, who was at the time, started to get
very depressed and he would tell my mom, my mother
in law, myself, whoever would listen. He would say, I
didn't need to be there, he said, because my kids
called nine one one. They were the ones who got
me helped that day, and he said I didn't need
to be there. My call didn't go through. Sophie could
have done it without me, and we felt like, truly

(25:20):
in the trauma of the moment, he had maybe just
dialed it wrong or forgot to hit the on button,
I don't know. And we would say, Josh, you let
the policeman in the door. You were helping. There were
things you could do, but nothing that we could say
would ease this burden that he was caring. So the
end of January twenty twelve, a few months later, my grandfather,

(25:41):
who had passed away when I was twelve years old,
came in in my first really big, big mediumship visit
since my head injuries, and he talked to me about
my accident. He talked to me about my son being
good with electronics. And then, you know, which is interesting
because he and my son lived on this They are
decades apart, right, so we know our loved ones are

(26:03):
connected to us. And then before he left, he said
to me, he said, Michelle, you need to get the
nine one one recording. There's something on there. You should know.
I didn't even know I could get the nine one
one recording. So I went down and I ordered it.
Took a couple of weeks to come in and I
got it. I played it, and I hear them say
nine one one, what's your emergency? And I hear my

(26:24):
son and his little broken voice say, Sophie, what do
I say? And then he laid the phone down. So
for the next minute and a half, nine one one
is trying to get their attention. They're saying, can you
hear us? What's happening? And then you hear him say,
I'm going to go push the panic button on the
house alarm, and my daughter says, hold on, let me
try calling nine one one. She hangs up the phone

(26:47):
and then her call goes through and her call gets
So when he came home from kindergarten that day, I
literally said to him, I said, Josh, your call went through.
Hope was coming. And it was as though I lifted
a ten thousand hound weight off this little boy's shoulders.
And in that moment, I got the gravity of mediumship

(27:07):
on a whole nother level, like this life changing message
had just come through for my son that I didn't
even know was available, and yet my grandpa knew it was,
and I actually watched it change the course of his
life and his self worth and his I did something
to help come back in And this is very emotional

(27:28):
for me still today because part of my mediumship that
I came back to do is to help people connect
with their loved ones, to connect with their own soul,
to connect with the fact that we are not living
this life alone, and a lot of times that's not
how it feels in the human form.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So in this last near death experience, you didn't you
didn't have a life review, you didn't go to a
place or anything like that. There wasn't a council of elders.
There's a lot of these kind of things. You didn't
see a relative other than these three beings who you
felt it. I assumed they were spirit guides.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yes, they were my life guys, but he didn't even
have the word for that. Then they were just three
really friendly, nice people who I felt like me right, yes.
And it wasn't until months later that I found out, oh,
they have a title and.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Then and then this angel was there. They're like, okay,
what are we doing. Yeah, kind of like a facilitator,
like okay, I can those five inches that can make
it those five inches go quickly and you're gone and
you're with us, or I can save it. It was
so it's very interesting. You're very interesting near death experience
because all three of them have been very interesting because
they're not traditional, they're a little bit they're a little

(28:41):
bit different, they're specific to you. And that's the other
thing that a lot of people with near death experiences
who are interested in this, they don't understand that it's
not one size fits all, right. Everybody has a very
customized thing that they need to go through for their
for their comfort level, for who they are and what
benefits them the best in the process of their life.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Correct, absolutely absolutely, And you know people will say to me, well,
did you see the tunnel of light? Did you? And
I would just say no. I kind of felt like
I bypassed that. I was always just there. I was like, oh,
here I am in that space. I made it to
those unconditional, timeless places. But a lot of this, what
I have found as I've done my mediumship and that

(29:24):
kind of work, is that you know, if we use
the word God, let's just change that to love. God
is love, and love will greet us where we are,
and love will always want to show us it in
a way that we can understand and feel comfortable there.
So for me, yes, these were exactly what my soul needed,
which are going to be completely different from other people's souls.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
So when you're when you're after this, after this, this
car wreck that hits you finally and you woke up
and you're like, Okay, I got to do this kind
of work that I'm assuming you started going to do
more research about media ship and about psychic abilities. And
I'm sure in your death experiences, I'm sure you went
down the rabbit hole and all this. At what point
did you come out of the closet to your your relatives,

(30:11):
your family, your your friends. I always, I always enjoy
asking that question because it is for people listening who
are skeptical about this path. This is not an easy
path to walk. I mean, I've got people that were scientists,
military hype and the people in the military, you know, professors, lawyers,

(30:35):
people had big careers, walk away from a lot of
money and everything they know to go down to be
either a channel or a medium or a psychic. This
is not This is not an easy path to walk down.
It clears a room, as I'd like to say, you
bring out there, you're like, hey, I'm a medium. It
depends on the room, obviously, but generally speaking, it clears

(30:57):
the room. So how did you get the courage to
do this? And how to psychologically how to deal with
the reactions. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Right. It was very challenging. So first I did what
any good person would do. I got a counselor and
I started telling her I'm talking to dead people. I
need help. There's something wrong with me.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. That's a logical path.
There you go down right, right. I hear voices, I
hear voices right.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Like It was okay when it was Grandma and Grandpa,
but now I'm getting messages for other people, like what
am I supposed to do with this? Well, as spirit
would have it, they led me to the perfect counselor
who said, Michelle, what a gift. Let's get you a
mentor and I it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's amazing, right, what are.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
The odds of that? Well, you know how spirit works, right,
it was all in alignment. So with that being said,
I really struggled because I knew my head husband at
the time was very much against this. I knew that
a lot of the friends I had were going to
be like, wait, what what are you telling us? And
I knew that my resistance, you know, I had encountered
with my mom. Not that my mom didn't want to

(32:12):
believe me, but she wanted to understand it, and I
couldn't explain it. It was just happening. And so I
stayed in counseling, and then I started telling my husband.
I would say, Okay, I got a message from this person,
and he would just kind of do what my mom
had done, except a little bit with a more freaked
out energy, like, well, I know you think that's what happened,
you know, and then just really try to brush it

(32:33):
under the rut, like let's just pretend that didn't happen.
And so it became very challenging. But what I found
with my mentor was like, oh my gosh, here's someone
who speaks my language. Like I can tell them the
craziest thing that happened to me, and they're like, oh yeah,
just another day, right. And so then I started realizing
the challenge that we all face at different points in

(32:55):
our lives when we outgrow people, places and situations. And
it's not that we don't love them, and it's not
that it has to and badly, but at some point
we have to say goodbye to people. And so I
started outgrowing friends, and I really did not want to
outgrow my marriage. I stayed in that for another ten years.

(33:15):
I was married twenty five years. But every step I
took down that road of mediumship and working with people
was a step I took away from him, or he
took a step in the opposite direction because he was
uncomfortable with it.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
And like I said, it's not an easy path to walk.
It really isn't. And so many people think it's like,
oh yeah, it's like no, it's definitely not a money.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Grab right right, right, it's not.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's like yes, because you're you're just rolling in that
psychic money or in that mediumship money, just rolling in it.
Like it's not it's not the way it works. You
do it because it's a mission, it's a passion, it's
what you want to do, and you truly want to
help people, which is I've found uh in just doing
this line of work of talking to people like yourself. Now,

(34:07):
I want to ask you this question maybe you can
help me with I've never asked this question on the
show before. We have this team of spirit team it's
called Spirit Team of Light of a life guide, spirit guides, relatives,
loved ones, angels, uh and probably other things that I'm

(34:27):
not aware of. You know, Jesus is always around, Buddha's
hanging out like they're always working. So you've got this
team with you when you're done with your with your
journey and you transition, M where does this team go?
Do you?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Is there a bar we go to to hang out
and talk. It's like to talk about what happened, like
you know, it's like I'm curious about that because if
you have life, like if you have a spirit guide
for your life. When that job is over, do they
move on to somebody else that they love and help
them or are they I mean, I'm assuming they can
help too with three people, I don't know. I'm just curious.

(35:06):
This is a very curious question.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, No, I love it. I think it's a great question. Well,
number one, I'm hoping there's a bar and they serve
cosmos and maybe some chocolate would be good too. With that,
you know, go have a big party afterwards. But yes,
because there is an evolution process for each of our
souls that does not stop when we leave our human existence.
And because of that, when we transition to these higher realms,

(35:30):
to heavenly realm, whatever we want to call this, we
are still going to learn and grow and evolve, and
so are our life guides, our loved ones, our angels,
and so yes, there will always be a next mission.
It doesn't mean that our connection with them will ever end,
because this is a deep, eternal, infinite connection. But yeah,
they're going to say, Okay, hey, I'd like to go
take on this project or this person or this situation now,

(35:54):
and they're going to want to continue to evolve and
grow just like we are, and we're always wanting to
help each other because we're really going back to that oneness.
So let's say my life guide is amazing at talking
you into coming back from near death experiences. Let's just
give them that title. Right. Sure, they're going to be like, Hey,
there's someone over here on the other side of the

(36:15):
country that's about to be born, that's going to have
four They're really going to need me. Let me sign
up to help them.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Got it. I was just curious about that. I was
just like, oh, is there a bar do they hang
out to the good events? Like what like? Is there
like a group of life guys we all hang out
like and talk about our missions. And I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Exactly, of course, you know. And and it's interesting too
because I've actually had some spirit when I'm doing readings
come through and say like, hey, you know how this
works on the other side, as you're planning your exit,
right as we're planning to leave this human life, like,
they like to go up there and talk about it.
They're like, Oh, my gosh, you should have seen me.
I went out on the fiery car wreck off the mountain,

(36:58):
you know, and they're is a planning to this, So
our souls see this life somewhat as a video game, right, Yes,
we're picking our spirit team that we're going in with,
we're picking our human team, and then at the end
we're like, high five, good game, Yes, let's go to
the bar.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know, it's really interesting because I use that video
game analogy all the time because it's just a perfect
analogy for what we go through. But when we're in
the game, it's taken so seriously, yes, because we don't
know anything. We don't we are Zelda, uh, and we
don't know that we're in Zelda and they playing a
video game. So we're like, oh my god, there's an

(37:40):
orc or a troll that's about to kill me. And
it seems so realistic because this simulation or this experience
is illusion, the dream, whatever you want to call it.
The matrix is built so well that we take this
so seriously that it's difficult for us to disconnect. And
when you say things like you just said, like, oh man,

(38:00):
I went off in this fiery wreck, I understand what
you mean. But other people listening might be like, well,
wait a minute, So it is life a game? Do
we not have to care about things. Do you know,
Like if I go off and hurt somebody, is it cool?
Like I want to make sure that's very clear. So
from your point of view, how how do you approach
that right?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So I would say that life is a place for
us to learn, evolve, and grow, and our souls actually
come here to play with the magic of life. To
remember that we are souls having a human experience. So no,
you should not be hurting people. You should not be
causing harm to people verbally, physically, or otherwise, because that
was never the intention of playing the game of life.

(38:43):
But with that being said, it is so real when
we are in it, and there is energy that is
created by our actions in our words, and this energy
will exist throughout time and space. So it is something
that we need to be good stewards of. But at
the same time, we also don't want to take it
so seriously. We don't want to believe that the person

(39:03):
that we have loved with all of our heart has
ceased to exist because they've left their human form. Because
the truth is if the earth was swallowed by the
scent today, none of us would cease to exist. We
would just exist in a different form or a different
realm exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's it's a fair I mean, this is why I
love doing the show, because it's you can go down
such deep different rabbit holes, which I'm about to start
a new rabbit hole right now. Okay, mediumship, So I've
had I've spoken to many mediums before, and I'd love
to hear how it because I know everyone's different. How
does it come into you? Is it images? Is it verbal?

(39:42):
Do you see dead people? Like, like are they walking?
Do you see them right now? These kind of it's
these kind of because it all everyone's a little different,
like are you will be Goldberg and ghost?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Right?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You know, do they come through you the like they
come in through and you start talking like you know,
you know a jazz musician from Louis like, how does
it work for you?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Right? And that's a beautiful question. Thank you for bringing
that up. So for me personally, I get most of
my information through feelings. Now I'm translating what spirit is
making me feel intowards I will describe that often as
looking at someone that you know well and you kind
of know what they're going to say before they say it.
You didn't actually have time to think about it and
process it. It's just there, right. This is how Spirit

(40:26):
communicates with me. So I'm translating feelings into words. Sometimes
I will see things, I will physically feel things. So
sometimes if somebody has transitioned from a heart attack, I'll
feel kind of twinginess in my heart area. So I'll
feel things, and then I'll also get words occasionally. Now
I often tell Spirit it would be so much easier
if you could just talk into my ear and I
could just hear you and you know, and just tell

(40:49):
them exactly what you're saying. But for me, it's a
translation of feeling into words. The good part of that.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Is we'll be right back after a word from our
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Speaker 2 (41:06):
Language isn't a barrier because feelings are worth a thousand words.
And so sometimes people will call me and say, hey,
my loved one only spoke Spanish. Can you you know,
can will this to work? Absolutely, because we're connecting through feelings.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So I've had that conversation before. Where like in dreams,
a lot of times dreams are our spirit or on
the other side, trying to give you warnings, giving you understandings, Hey,
this is coming. Things like that, but it's always spoken
in this kind of this language that is so complex
and so difficult meaning that it's like, you know, it's

(41:43):
never about the pineapple, it's something else, like the pineapple
represents this. So it's kind of like a metaphor for
and I'm assuming that that's kind of the way it
comes in through medium, Like there's a feeling. But if
you do see images, because I speak to other mediums,
they'll see like all I see is a pineapple and

(42:04):
a dog, and it's like it's hard for them to
explain what it is, but then it makes sense to
the person they're talking to. Is that kind of what
the way is?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Absolutely? I mean I've done this long enough now that
I'm pretty good at being able to almost translate sentences
and sentence out, you know, I can get on that track.
It's very open communication where's it is a conversation. It's
just a conversation through feelings. But yes, I will always
say trust that one word or that one image or
that one whatever this is because most of the time

(42:35):
that is them talking to their person. And I don't
need to understand what a peach means to you. But
if I tell you peach you're going to be like,
oh my gosh, my grandma always made peaches. She'd have
them all peach cobbler. It was all over her counter
or whatever this is. But they will give us that
information to share so that the sitter is saying, oh, yes,
this makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Is it something that tires you or energizes you?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I find it energizing.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Okay, so it does energize you? Do you turn it
on and off? I agree, yeah, because I've heard people
look like the mediums was like, I literally put a
close sign on. It's you know, spiritually like nope, nope,
don't come talking to me in the shower. Right, I'm
off the clock, and then right and you turn Okay,
I'm open for business. Everyone come in right.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah. So I like to use the radio analogy. So
think of it as a radio. If we're talking to
your angels today, we're going to channel one eleven. If
we got to talk to Grandma one O three, we
got to talk about work one ten. So we're guiding
and directing. We can target the channel, or we can
open up and kind of scan the universe. But that
I also have that on off slash volume button, so

(43:45):
I never really actually turn it off. For myself. I'm
always open to what spirit needs to tell me. But yes,
when I'm not in a reading with someone, I'm not
walking around Target or the grocery store and talking to
everyone's loved one in spirit, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
So just generally, I know some mediums do this, but generally,
you don't walk a target and you're like walking by
and you said, lady coming towards, You're like, excuse me,
I'm sorry. Grandpa just came through and he's got a
message for you. Play these numbers in the lottery.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I wish you wish they would do that. No, you know,
and that and I thing that I've found over the
years is that not everyone is open to receiving a message. Right.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So there have been.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Times when someone's loved one has made themselves known to me.
Maybe I'm in a movie theater, maybe I was at school.
What they should do? Okay, and this was before I
you know, but not often. Once in a while this
will happen. And when that happens, then I have to
kind of read the energy of the person who's here
and are they open? Ooh, I can tell they're really
not open. And then a lot of times their loved

(44:51):
ones just want to be acknowledged. Thank you for acknowledging
that I'm still connected to them. Some people, because think
about spirit, think about they know their people right. And
some people, if you told them that, it would shut
them down or put them on a challenging track. And
so that's why I would also say, you know, it's

(45:12):
not always productive to walk through target and read everyone
you come across, because people are not always open to it, to.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Say the least. Again, I think in today's world we're
much more open than we used to be because this
information is out there, much more than it was twenty
years ago. But it's still certain people like if your
mom would have gotten a reading, yes, right, she would
have been there. No right, No, Well let me ask

(45:41):
you then, so, how did these experiences and the work
you're doing now change your religious beliefs? And it did
it change your religious beliefs?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
You know, it really did. It did change them because
what I realized is our religions have beautiful things in them,
beautiful beliefs, beautiful and we're all headed towards the same hub.
So when I I did tell my mom this, and
my mom was really not happy when I told her this.
My mom ended up transitioning from breast cancer in about

(46:11):
six months before she went. I thought I was sharing
really good news with her, and I said, Mom, no
one has ever come through in a reading and been like,
I just got out of purgatory. Call my family, right,
And so I'm telling my mom, like, Mom, there's no purgatory.
You just get to go. And she literally glared at me.
That was not what she wanted to hear. She wanted

(46:31):
to feel like she had done her job, she had worked,
she had been a good Catholic woman, and she was
going to get there on her own merite.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And so she was not very open even at the end,
even at the end, and so.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I just had to love her through that. So here
is what I have found in a reading. No one
ever comes through and says to me. I've had atheists
come through They're like, well, I'm so glad I was wrong,
you know. I mean, there is this part where it's
actually so much bigger than any religion. It is so
much bigger. We are talking about unconditional love. We are

(47:05):
talking about countless second chances and opportunities to learn and
live and experience and explore the universe. And every dimension
within it. Right, and so when we when we're talking
about pure love like that that that supersedes any religious
title you could give yourself.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Well, I mean love is the only religion.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Exactly exactly what I have found though, is listen, there
are there are people in this world that religion is
good for because that is there a way to like
connect with God. Are there are souls that said, hey,
I want to come in you know, spoon feed it
to me every Sunday at ten am or you know
whatever it is, like, help me to build it this way.

(47:49):
So it's so it's not that it's not productive. There
are some people it's very productive for. But I will
tell you this one of the challenges with when you're
their death experiences. When I came back from that last one,
I had a hard time finding another human they could
get me to that connection with God that I felt
like I already had on my own. And I kind

(48:09):
of got to the point where I was like, wait,
I'm going to church or to service or wherever to
hear some human with his own issues and his own
ideas tell me how to find God. And I actually
felt like I had a more clear channel to God
myself and so for me that was where the challenge
with religion came up. I'm certainly not against it. I
honor all religions, but for me personally, Gosh, I have

(48:32):
such a good connection, it's hard for me to find
someone else that would be a more clear channel.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Right, It's kind of like a middleman or a middle woman. Yeah,
just like you don't need that you can connect directly.
And I think, if I'm not mistaken, Jesus was saying
that all the time, all the time. The title God
is within you. Everything I can do, you can do
and more. You know, these kind of ideas have been
around for a long time, but they get muddled up
in a lot of other things agma and other things

(49:01):
like that that kind of got thrown in over the years.
But yeah, I mean the the idea is to find
self realization where you can connect directly to the divine
and when you're able to do correct and that through
meditation through other other avenues, that you can do it yourself.
That's that's the key. I think that's the goal. You know,

(49:21):
all all ascended masters, you know, all all these these
spiritual masters that we've we idolized over the years, they
all did it that way, you know, they all went
inward and found God through themselves and realized it themselves.
So it's a fascinating.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Topic, it really is, and it's interesting if you think
about it. We are that spark of God, we are
that spark of divine. We really don't have to go
anywhere else. It's right here. But that amnesia that we
come into planet Earth with, right, boy, we take that
pretty seriously and pretty strong. And so there are people
who will distance themselves from that their whole lives. There

(50:01):
are other people that will ease their way back into it.
You know, there's such a wide spectrum, but the truth
is that connection is already right there within you. You
can't take it out.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Isn't it interesting though, that people who are against listening
to things like this and they're very stuck in their
dogmatic like your mother stuck in her dogmatic ways. I've heard.
It's also a sense of and I don't want to
say ego in a bad way, but ego in the
sense that I've worked all my life and believed this
all my life, and if I admit to myself that

(50:34):
I might have been wrong, we'll be right back. After
a word from our sponsor and now back to the show,
or I just or I didn't choose this other path
that this other person's talking to It kind of negates
everything I've done in my life, and it's hard for

(50:55):
the ego to deal with that as opposed to a
very open person be like, you know what, maybe there
is other Maybe I don't know everything, maybe I got
it wrong. Maybe you know this is not the way
you know there. Even when I was younger coming up,
I was raised Catholic, and I always looked at them like, well,
there's Buddhism and there's a billion and some people there,
and Hinduism there's another billion and some people that I'm

(51:17):
like something, They've figured something out on their end that's
working for them. So how can there only be one path?
And that's what started me on this conversation of trying
to figure out where I can find the vine within
my own life by studying all the religions and it
trying to study as much as I can to to
figure it out, because this is not an easy path.

(51:40):
This is you know, this is tough, this is it.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Is it it is and you know, and this is
what I would say, my knowledge about spirit. There are
souls lined up waiting to get their shot at planet Earth. Right,
this is the leading edge learning playground throughout the universe.
So I would like to say every human here should
get a badge to courage because congratulations, you signed up,

(52:03):
you made a plan, you came in. It's not going
to be easy, but you're not alone in it and
you can do it.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
And can you talk a little bit about your understanding
of the soul plan and because that's a concept that
a lot of a lot of people have trouble with.
They're like, so you mean to tell me that I
chose to be in a family that was abusive, or
I chose to have a physical ailment so my life
would be tougher, Or I chose to have my heart

(52:30):
broken all the time, like it's hard for someone in
the give Gainzelda. I chose to have trolls attack me daily,
like you know, like it s so like it's hard
for this. Can you talk a little bit about why
it is and how that.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Works, so you know it's a blueprint. We do come
to planet Earth, and we do have free will, and
other humans have free will will, so there are a
few things that can change course or change direction on that. Right.
But if I if I'm coming in and I'm saying, well,
we'll just guess what my blueprint might have been for
this life, no matter what the challenge is. I want

(53:03):
to become a medium, Right, I'll die three times to
do it. I don't know. But with these blueprints that
we come in with, we say, okay, these are the
lessons I want to learn. When we are in this
heavenly perfect realm with no contrast, it makes it hard
to learn a lesson. We don't even know what it's
like to be freezing cold or boiling hot because we're
in this perfect temperature. Right, think about how we use

(53:26):
that contrast to grow. Planet Earth is full of contrasts.
So we will pick a plan. We will pick lessons,
kind of like when you're getting ready to go into
your video game. You're picking who you want to be
on your team. What area of the world do you
want to go in? Are you going into the jungle
or the deserts? Right? And then what happens is our
soul is knowing that this is an experience, not our

(53:50):
only experience, and that our life is eternal. So our
soul to our soul and the scope of eternity. We're like,
I'll be there in five minutes and I'll be right
back right eternity. So our soul will say, yes, I'm
going to take that five minute experience because I'm going
to learn, I'm going to grow, I'm going to get
to love, I'm going to get to do all of

(54:12):
these things on a level that I can't do in
a place with no contrast. And so when we're looking
at eternity, we say, heck, yeah, I'll take that five
minute lesson and we go in. I do believe our
souls come here with the highest good, wanting that to happen,
and then humanness happens, right, and then we have other
people who do other human experiences. So is it all

(54:36):
exactly the way that the blueprint is laid out? I
do not believe so because of free will, But I
think we have a baseline, and in that blueprint we
have built out possibilities. So clearly, in my blueprint, I
gave myself three opportunities to exit, well four, because we
know I'm going to leave here at some point. I
have at least four opportunities to exit. But think of
all the opportunities I gave myself to grow, to love,

(54:58):
to learn, to experience, to reconnect to my soul.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, it's kind of like if you were born into
a family who had a five star, five Michelin star
restaurant and only thing you've ever eaten is absolutely perfection
at the highest level of food, and you've never tasted
anything but the most amazing food ever and you have
no contrast to that. And then the second you go
over to McDonald's and you eat a burger, you're like,

(55:25):
you need to go to McDonald's to have to understand
how good you have it, because you're like, oh, wow,
so I've been imperfect. I've been eating this amazing food
that I don't know if you've ever been at like
a five star, like one of these restaurants that they
you know, those little places that they bring you like
just a morsel, but you're like what is this And
you take a bite, You're like, holy, it's like the

(55:47):
flavor explosions is a thousand things, so much complexity. And
then you go eat you know, a fast food point
you're you know, joined burger and you're like, oh, it's
mac and cheese, okay, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
And maybe even leave with a stomach ache to top that.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
All right, yeah exactly, and then you're like, and then
you've got it, and then you're going to pay for
it later. If we don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Nice exactly. You know, it's amazing because what Spirit really
has been telling me, especially over the last few months,
is Planet Earth is all about the contrast, because that
is where we learn and grow and explore. So even
the contrast, right when we are in that oneness, to
some extent, we're almost invisible to each other because we

(56:26):
are all one. I am you, you are me. We
are blended right But today, because of your beautiful contrast,
I can't see you. You are a man, you have
a beard, you are in a dark colored sweatshirt. You
know all of these things that I can see about you.
You can see me today because of the contrast I created. Otherwise,
if we were in this space of oneness, we'd almost blend.

(56:48):
So the contrast doesn't always have to be a bad thing,
but it makes it makes us visible to each other,
and it also helps us know what we want and
learn and grow.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
I had a guest on that he's a pre birth experiencer,
so he remembers his pre birth moments, so like the planning,
the spirit guides the whole thing, and he told me
the story, which was fascinating to me, and it's so
it's it's I think it illustrates what we're talking about.
You know. He's just a soul hanging out and then

(57:19):
he meets another soul and he sees something in the
other soul. They're like, oh my god, what did you do? Like,
how do you like there was a depth to hit
that other soul that he didn't have. He's like, oh,
I spend time on earth and he's like, what I
want that? He goes. You don't understand, this is not
easy what I did? He goes. So it's kind of
like meeting someone who has a six pack and it's perfect,

(57:40):
in perfect shape, and you're like, what did you do?
I worked out in the gym every day and ate
nothing but chicken and broccoli and brown rice for a year.
They're like, but you look great. I want that. I'm like,
rights not easy. This is not easy. So it's the
equivalent of that when you're coming down here like this
is the chicken, broccoli and rice and working out six

(58:02):
hours a day kind of exactly experience to get that
perfect body that we all.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Right, right there you go, the perfect soul exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
This is the ultimate gym for your spirit, and it
really is.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
It is, and the learning and the growth that happens
here is unbelievable. But listen a lot of times people
think that growth has to happen in really hard, challenging ways,
but it doesn't. We can play in the magic of life.
We really can. This is part of what spirit tells me.
We have our human ideas and we have spirit ideas,
and the human ideas are not usually beneficial. We're like, oh,

(58:39):
if you work really hard, maybe it will pay off.
Like we give ourselves a lot of challenges, but spirits like, well,
you could work really hard, or you could over sit
over here in daydream and manifested and tap into your
own abilities. So we have more tools available to us
then most of us know. On the human level.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Oh, there's no question. I mean, from someone who was
hustled hard most of his life to the moment where
I finally let go and allowed the universe or spirit,
God whoever to guide the process and door starts swinging open,
I'm like, what I've been doing all these years? I mean,
I mean it. Don't get me wrong. I have to

(59:18):
work every day and we have to get up and
be participants in the in the energy of what we're doing,
but trying to force something to happen, like I want
that promotion, I want to make that money. I want
to get that person that generally doesn't work. It's just
kind of like really walking up the river, upstream on

(59:39):
the river, when you just let go and go with
the flow, that person just walks in the door. That
opportunity just happens. You get a phone call from that
you just didn't expect, or synchronicity happens, and that thing
that you've been looking for happens all of a sudden.
I found that to be true in my life. I
don't know about you.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, absolutely, the minute that we stop, we're in about
controlling it and we actually live in alignment, which is
with our spirit, our body mind spirit, and we say, okay,
take over, I know you know what you're doing. That's
when the doors open and that's when the flow happens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask, oh,
my guests, what is your definition of living a good life?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I think it's to know that no moment is ever wasted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Well, how do you define God.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
As everything, as you, as me, as the sun, as
the flowers, as the animals? Pure love though?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life? We'll be
right back after a word from our sponsor, and now
back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I think it really is to wake into the power
of your soul and remember that this is a video
game and your soul has more tools than your humanness
will ever have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
And where can people find out more about you and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
The work that you're doing on Michelle Claire dot net,
C L A r E dot net.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
And do you have any parting messages for my audience.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I just want them to know that they're not living
this life alone. You have a spirit team, you have angels,
you have loved ones, life guides all around you, truly
encouraging you on your path. So being aware of that,
and it's okay if you don't feel them, just know
that they're there and they're cheering you on, and ask
them to send you signs and messages and connect with you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Michelle, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you
so much for sharing your story with us. It was
an absolute honor and privilege sopaliging to you today, so
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I feel the same way about you. Thank you so much, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I want to thank Michelle so much for coming on
the show and sharing her story with all of us.
Thank you, Michelle. If you want to get links to
anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to
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