BONUS MONDAYS: BANNED HIDDEN TEACHINGS of the Bible! Genesis DECODED - Bible Code is REAL with Richard L. Haight - Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

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(01:13):
we welcome back Richard Height and Richard and I are
going to be discussing his book The Genesis Code and
decoding the Bible and those hidden codes and messages that
are in the Bible, specifically in the Book of Genesis,
and this conversation goes to places I was not expecting.

(01:34):
So sit back and relax because this is going to
be a good one. Let's dive in. Like to welcome
back to the show returning champion Richard Height.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hey doing, Richard fantastic. I'm happy to be a returning champion.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, my friend, you were on the show early early
on when I was just a small little show, just
talking about some deep stuff, and and I wanted you
to come back because I always love our conversations.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know, we had deep, long conversations about many deep
things in the past, and I'll make sure to put
those in the show notes so people can could go
back and check those interviews out after this one. But
I wanted to have you back, Man to talk about
your book, The Genesis Code, which we've never really done
a deep dive into, about your decoding of the Bible,
of that book, the lost teachings of Jesus, how that

(02:25):
we can incorporate them into our daily lives, all that
kind of stuff. So I appreciate you coming back my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I appreciate you having me back. I mean, I'm
just so amazed at what you've done, the work you've done,
the people you've had on you've done, You've done it
so well you've done.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Oh well, and it's so pleasant to speak to and
very insightful. So I really appreciate your program.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
So my first question to you is, sir, how have
you decoded the Book of Genesis? In that book the
Genesis Code? How did you begin the process?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, so when I was a kid, my grandmother and
grandfather would visit and they would take me to church,
and it's a Christian church, and I remember the experience
was rather shocking because it was so negative. It was
so negative, and it was all hell, fire and damnation.
If you don't believe, I would believe, you'd be you'll
be judged and thrown into hell and you know all
that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
It was.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I was only maybe eight years old, but it was
a real turn off. And then I started to have
a series of dreams. Actually, I think the dreams may
have started before I was taken to church. But but
where in the dream Jesus would visit me, It'd be
just like in the middle of my room lying on
the floor. There's this guy. I'd wake up in the
dream loocid in the dream from my bed and there's

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this guy on my floor. I didn't know who he was.
You think he'd be terrified, but there was this like
light emanating within the room, and I felt totally safe.
So I went over to talk to him and see
who he was and what was going on. I looked
into his eyes and like, my whole body lit up.
This is Jesus. Of course, at the time, I did,
how would you know when your eight who it is?

(03:56):
It didn't make sense, but I wasn't even thinking on
that level. Just there's this beautiful depth in his eyes.
And ultimately he asked me, through repeated dreams, will you
find the teachings that have been lost? What he's saying
was what I tried to teach has been distorted. It's
been so perverted, has been filtered through the self absorption

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of humanity to kind of turn it into their own message.
Very little of that essential truth is still there in
the text, in the writing, there is some still there.
Will you find it and bring it to the world.
And this dream exactly a moment for a moment would repeat,
I don't know, every couple of weeks or something like that.
It was a very very strange experience, and ultimately I

(04:43):
said yes to this, I would do it. Of course,
being like eight years old, you have no idea even
where to begin, and so when my grandmother and grandfather
invited me to go to church, I thought, oh, that'd
be a great place to start, and it just wasn't.
Just I was surprised. Now, in fairness, some churches that
don't do that at all, and so I don't want
to be unfair, but I'm just saying that that was

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the experience that I had. And then, of course meeting
highly religious people thereafter, the tendency was pretty similar. There
was a lot of judgment, a lot of this idea
that we know the truth, and if you don't abide
by what we know to be true, you're going to
hell and you know you're you're you're the son of

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Satan or something. That's sort of that kind of that
kind of concept, whether they actually think that way or not,
that's sort of the feeling that oftentimes comes across and
sometimes overtly comes across, and so that's kind of where
I started, and then I would go through and read
the Bible over and over and over again, and it
was more confused than not by it because there's so

(05:47):
much conflicting information. I mean, if if you if you
read it as you're kind of told to read it,
and you take for granted that what your pastor, reverend
or rabbi is saying it is the truth, and you
know they're able to kind of pull things out of
context and whatnot, maybe it will seem like it makes

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sense to you. But if you read it actually, like contextually,
and you read it to see where things don't add up,
it starts to be really confusing. And I couldn't understand
how this book could be so respected, how this book
would be followed by so many people, but with all
these inconsistencies that are self undermining. Read a book actually

(06:35):
after I wrote the Genesis Code. A few months after
wrote the Genus Code, I wrote read some books by
bart Ahrman. Are you familiar with him? I am not,
oh misquoting Jesus. It's a brilliant book. And he's a
religious you know, he went to seminary, he became a pastor.
He you know, he did the whole rigging role. But

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then he got very interested in all the hypocrisy and
all the inconsistencies and started researching it and getting into
biblical archaeology and seeing them there are thousands. That turns out,
thousands and thousands of manuscripts that go back to like
seventy a d up to like you know, sixteen hundred
or whatever, but lots of different manuscripts. And what's happening

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is the people that were transcribing these manuscripts, they themselves
couldn't necessarily read. There's just copying the scribbles, and of
course some of them could, some of them, many of
them would just insert in their own ideology in various points,
and you because you could find it in this version
it says this, and then the next version you can

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see it's been crossed out, been erased off of the parchment.
Because you know, it's not like that a printing press
back then, they had to reause the same scrolls and parchment.
They would scratch it off and then write over it
with something else and change the text meaning entirely. And
you can find this going throughout. So it's very difficult,
very difficult to find out what did what did Jesus
actually say what were the original texts? Not just Jesus,

(08:03):
but you know, in the twenty five hundred years before
Jesus what we call the Old Testament, what was actually
what was actually originally the text? We don't know, We
don't know. But I didn't find out about that until
after I wrote the Genesis Code. What inspired the Genesis
Code was that another For some reason, I have a

(08:24):
tendency for a mystical experience. I have a tendency to have,
like you know, I might be walking somewhere, I might
stop and then you know, I'll go into this visionary state.
Or oftentimes it will happen in dreams where it's like
a lucid dream, but it's a mystical message. I don't
know why that happens, but it does happen. One night,
I was I hadn't even been thinking about the Bible,

(08:45):
hadn't been thinking about Christianity, you know, for months, maybe
even years prior to that, because I had kind of
gotten disgusted with it because it was so confusing and
there was so much judgment. I don't necessarily think Christians
skill Christians. Mhm, this this happens just like you know,
Buddhists skill Buddhists, and then you know, Muslims kill Muslims

(09:07):
because you know I'm right and you're wrong. This is
this can't this can't be reflective of truth as far
as I'm concerned, that cannot be reflective of a healthy
way of viewing things. There's something's gone astray. So I
had kind of really given up on the on the Bible,
and mostly I mean, like even more so than the
New Testament, the Old Testament, because you know there there

(09:28):
are some horrific stories in there if you really go
through that book and read it, and I think most
Christians haven't. You know, there's there's an old guy who's bald.
The kids are teasing him, and so he calls on God.
He asked God to kill him, and God sends down
a bear that eats the kids.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's very god like, sorre godlikes.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Very god like, and so there's something amiss. But one
night I just couldn't sleep. I don't know why. I'm
just this often happens before a mystical experience will start,
if it if it's going to happen at night, the
mystical experience for me usually happens between two and about
five am. I don't know why. And and there are
some years of my life where it's like every other night,
that's that's the case. But this, on this particular night,

(10:06):
I'm not thinking anything. There's no anxiety in my body,
there's nothing, you know, nothing disturbing me. I just couldn't sleep.
Surely I wanted to sleep, but I couldn't sleep.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
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Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I don't know. Two three o'clock in the morning
it started. I saw the Bible from the opening from
the rear and flipping page by page to the front
very rapidly, and it got to the very first story
of Genesis. Now, I never liked the story of Genesis,
mostly because it seemed like there are even within the

(10:49):
story different there are different stories that are not necessarily
in alignment, and it's very confusing for me. But I
could see when reading the text, like certain sentences were highlighted,
almost like a uh gold took a yellow highlighter and
highlighted it. Certain sentences that were highlighted all from Genesis
one through three, and I could see the fundamental meaning.

(11:12):
I could see there was a layering within the story
or stories, there's there's a layering of like maybe we
might describe as mythology, a layer, a layering of cultural values, right,
a layer that that layer cultural values, for example, would
put forward the patriarchal point of view, how men should

(11:37):
behave towards women, how we should behave towards our environment.
These sorts of teachings are in there. But but in
between those teachings there's something still deeper that it seems
like everybody's missed. And that's what I call the code,
the genesis code, And it's right there in the text.
When when you see it, once you see it. The

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beautiful about is once you see it, you can't not
see it. Have you ever had an experience like that
where you didn't never notice it before, and then suddenly
it occurs to you and they're like, holy crap, Like
this is so obvious. It's so obvious that I can't
see it. I can't unsee it.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's like when you're watching a movie and someone tells, you, oh,
you see that right there, Oh, look, there's a like
I can never unsee In Die Hard, uh, the stunt
man fighting the bad guys, like I could see the
stunt man's face. It's so obvious. It's not Bruce Willis.
I could never unsee that. But when I first saw it,
I never saw it. But now so everybody listening, go

(12:36):
watch die Hard. There's a every time he's fighting, it's
the stunt guy's face. It was in the eighties when
they didn't care as much back then. I'll never be
able to unsee that. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
The first time you watch it. You didn't notice though,
that at some point that light, that light clicks on
and it just never turns back off. Is It's just
like that. And and so that's where the Genesis Code
Book came from, because I woke up from that vision,
that vision and immediately went into my office and got
a copy of my Bible and read through Genesis, and

(13:07):
that text was there. I got a different version, read
through that, got online and checked Bible Gateway. They got
a thousand different versions on there. It's in all of them.
It was utterly astonishing. And so over the next period
of the next year or two, I just the book
started writing itself. I mean, basically, that's how most my
books are. They just they just That's how all my

(13:27):
books are actually they just take on a life of
their own and I don't know where they're going, but
that's that's where it began.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So so we're talking about these inner teachings are these
these aren't Genesis. But we're also talking about jesus Is Lost,
which is not which is not Genesis. That's New Testament
as opposed to Old Testament. So first first question is
how what is the some of the big revelations you

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found within Genesis, and then we'll go into Jesus's Lost teachings.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So the first, the first most important thing is when
we read Genesis, it's helpful to recognize that there are
three Genesis stories Genesis one, Genesis two, Genesis three. These
are three different perspectives. The first perspective is the perspective
of whatever we would call a non personalized God or
the creator God. The next perspective is the perspective of
a human being in the garden and the creator within

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the creation right. The next perspective is of what I
will call a an abstraction layer that develops. And now
the abstraction layer is so I doubt you could argue
with this point with me, but I encourage you if
you can there's reality. We don't understand what reality truly is.

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But the key point is we are that right, whatever
it is, whatever it is, Yeah, whatever it is, we're it.
So there is no separation between the totality of being
and the individual human being.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Interesting, that's a super absolutely right. Whatever the tree, whatever
the tree is made of, we are made of the
same thing. Whatever the air is made of, we are
made of the same stuff. We are all made of
the same quote unquote code or whatever you'd like.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
To use it, fundamentally, the same spirit or being or whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Sure, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
People will say, Okay, well, the universe isn't conscious, but
I am, and I would I would say that back
to them. When you speak and when you think, have
you ever considered that it is the universe that is
speaking and thinking through you? Because that is what's happening.
Your bag of atoms? How is it a bag of
atoms can self reflect? How is the bag? How is
it that a bag of atoms can say I hate

(15:44):
the universe? Well, if you're if a bag of Adams
is saying that's kind of funny because you're saying you
hate yourself.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, And also, and the other thing is too that
a lot of people argue that human beings are the
only thing to have consciousness, But that's absolutely a distortion,
because does the blade of grass that turns to the sun.
There's a form of consciousness there. Animals have a form
of consciousness. Trees have a form of consciousness. Yes, even
land has a form of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yes, Now are I perceive it as well?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's not us. We have a completely different level of
consciousness as the planet itself has. I believe has a consciousness.
Galaxies half consciousness, universes half consciousness, and so on.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I believe that. In fact, I was actually just watching
I've been recently watching some physicists, and some of the
more prominent physicists are starting to actually entertain this idea
that the whole thing may be conscious because our current equations,
our current ideas are not working correct, and so that
we have something wrong in the equation, something wrong in
our perceptions, which is which is fine. But we talk

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about the universe is being made up of forces. So
there's the there's a strong forces, the weak force, there's electromagnetism,
and then there's gravity, which technically they don't it's not
technically a force, but more like the shape of space itself.
It holds.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's a force that holds it together like we're being
held to.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
It draws to center. So the human intuition is that
gravity pulls down, but actually a correct way of viewing
it is gravity is driving towards center. So you're not
falling down. You're falling towards center. Right, You're falling towards
the center of the Earth, but the matter of the
Earth prevents you from actually getting to that center. The
Earth is falling towards the center of the Sun. The

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Sun is falling towards the center of the galaxy. Of
the galaxy is falling towards the center of the universe,
the universe. Who knows what's going on there, but I
suspect it's falling towards something still deeper. But we're gravitating
towards the central truth physically, physically what we think of
as physically. But in any case, if this is not

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different than reality, which means it is reality, this conversation
right now is the universe talking to itself. Now, some
of the things that's saying sound ridiculous, but maybe what's
happening is just the universe is exploring itself, and we're
we're like the you know, tentacles of a certain type
of exploration.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I call it God's algorithm. We are the algorithms of God.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
That's algorithm. There you go. The genesis three is basically
where within the human being that abstraction layer the ability
to So we talk about levels of consciousness, right a
type of intellectual cognitive intelligence emerges, which in itself is
just it's a higher level. It's an extension of consciousness

(18:39):
where conscious now can reflect upon itself and talk about itself. Essentially,
doesn't matter what I'm talking about. I could be talking
about this thermos, I'm still talking about myself. This is reality,
reality right on at a fundamental level. We just don't
often see the connection. One of the interesting aspects of

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that abstraction layer is it is a mapping mechanism when
you're when you're walking through yourself, which says reality, when
you're walking through the universe, walking on the planet, you're
walking through yourself in a certain sense, right, but you're
in order to see your mind has to anticipate what's coming,

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and your mind is constantly trying to map out what
it is, what is there? You ever, if you ever
wore braces, you'll know this phenomena very well. Or if
you break a tooth or anything like that, when the
braces are taken off, your tongue will start.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
That. You'll do that for weeks, like, even if you
don't want it to, it'll do that unconsciously. What's happening.
The nervous system is remapping your mouth because it's fundamentally
changed from your tongue's perspective. It's got a very dangerous job.
It's got to, you know, move food around the mouth,
and it does it courageously, you know, with these chompers

(20:01):
that can bite it at any time. Imagine that was
your job.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It has, by the way, still.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Even after being bitten, that tongue will still do its job.
It's if we live our lives by the teachings of
the tongue, we'd be all awake. We'd all be awake.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
God, it's a great that's your next book. That's your
next book.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Gotta come up with a good title for it.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
The Teachings of the tongue, I think will be great.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
The tongue I know that that's that's actually because what
the tongue is doing is it's one, it's doing this
job to move food from side to side, to taste,
to move saliva around as well, in that very danger
of that high danger zone that it's in. But at
the same time, it's taking responsibility to constantly map it

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out and make sure that it's as clear as possible.
When we go wrong in life, we don't get the
map any right.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
Or when we make a mistake or we get bit
because it's going to happen even if the mappings correct,
you know, we pull away, we get neurotic, or we
get really angry or judgmental towards it. None of those
things are helpful to do your job, and none of
those things are helpful in your life. How does that
relate back to the genesis code. So perspective one is

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that overall, like you know, the overall master consciousness perspective
too is the boots on the ground consciousness. With so
we have the individual persona in there added in there
right relationship between the individuals and that universal on with

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the boots on the ground circumstance. And level three is
where the individual has matured beyond the innocence and has
developed a strong enough abstraction lay or to be able
to say I'm separate from it, I'm separate from my environment.
And now that comes in this feeling of meaninglessness, this

(22:09):
feeling of unworthiness. Right, Eve eats of the apple because
she the serpent comes to her, which is the abstraction layer,
and says, hey, you know, God's laughing at you because
you know you're you're you're, you're kind of under him.
You're not really worthy. If you were equal to God,
that would mean that you you understood good and evil. Right,

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So that apple there, you see that shiny fruit that
quints whatever it is, that will give the ability to
know good and evil like God knows the good and evil,
and you'll be equal to God, which means you will
have meaning because only God is good, right, right? Who
wouldn't do that?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Who would sales pitch?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's a good sales pitch. But fundamentally, what that fruit
means is the ability to judge good and evil, to condemn,
to morally judge. Now, if I call you, if I
say you're a liar, you're probably not going to feel
that happy towards me. That pleasant towards You're probably not
going to want to open your heart to me anymore.

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That cannot be a teaching of a universal God that
recognizes that everything that is in the manifestation is also it,
because to judge any of those manifestations is the judge itself.
It's insane and it creates separation. The fundamental teaching of
Genesis is don't judge, don't morally judge, and we've misinterpreted

(23:35):
it to no do more of that?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Oh God, do we ever?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
And the churches, the Senate that that's what they teach,
or at least everyone that I've ever seen or heard.
We need to judge more. Now, I'm not saying I'm
going to separate out discernment from judgment, moral judgment and
discernment like discernment is, I'm not going to put my
hand over that flame because there isn't any benefit to
it unless I want to eat my hand right. If
I were not doctor plus, that might be, uh, that

(24:01):
might work. We generate my hand right right right, But
we're not octopus occupy. And so the interesting thing is
is we if through meditation or whatever other means, we're
able to shut off our sense of identity and go
deep into the nervous system. What we find is there's
this sense of connectedness to the totality of being, and

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through that sense of connectedness, there's an inherent meaningfulness. It's
only when we're disconnected from that fountain of being, that connectedness,
that that that what I call it's called the nexus point,
that's nexus of the totality of being. It's only when
we're disconnected from that that we start spiraling out our
ego starts to seek. Like you, every wonder why there's

(24:44):
this strong correlation between saying somebody's name, like Alex right,
saying somebody's name and them liking you. The more you
say their name, the more they'll like you. Why is
that because the name gives them a sense of individual importance,
and we're seeking this sense of being seen. Even wonder
why young You know that teenagers who start driving, they

(25:05):
they might take the muffler off their vehicle and drive around.
It's like they're saying, look, I exist, I exist. You
know I'm gonna make you acknowledge me.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
So that explains the neon underneath the cars and the
big giant rims and the hydraulics and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Sure, and you know becoming, you know, famous, and you
know being seen and now all it's all the same thing.
It's it's essentially I don't feel a connection within me,
so I'm going to get I'm going to outsource my
sense of connection. I want to feel that I'm meaningful.
I want to feel that I'm valuable. I want to
feel that I'm good, that I'm loved, that I'm worthy

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and all of that. But fundamentally, what it means is
we don't believe we are so we don't believe we're worthy.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And the thing I wanted to dig into here because
that's basically the fundamental thing that advertising does in every thing.
So when people have to wear brands or have to
be because the brand has recognition. So if I wear
the brand, then I will associate myself with that brand. Yes,
And if I have to drive the fancy car or

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have the fancy this or that, or being famous on
TikTok or being famous on Instagram, and it's all look
at me looking because I don't and as opposed to,
you don't see a lot of you know, spiritual masters
generally speaking do things like that because they don't dressed
in Gucci. They don't have rolls voices generally speaking, some

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do and they are who they are, but others don't.
So that makes a lot of sense. Like for me,
I could care less what clothes I wear. I'm like,
looking at a black shirt, I'm like, oh, that fit great,
Let's get ten of those. I'm good because I just
don't even it doesn't. It means nothing to me. My
kids are like, what are you doing. I'm like, I
just don't.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Hilarious. What you just said to me is a conversation
I had just before I met with you. Today. I
went out and I had like a purple tea. You're
not gonna wear that on the podcast? Aren't you in
my closet.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And pull this, you know, wear this the Thank God
for wives, because I would be the same way as
like sometimes she's like, you're walking out of this house
like people are gonna think that no one loves you.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
That's right. I rather like this shirt. I think it's
a handsome shirt.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But it's a fantastic shirt. But that's the thing. It's
just like that's not you know, fancy cars. That I've
passed that stage in my life anymore.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
The more we ground with the center of the being,
the less and less. We have a tendency to seek meaning,
seek value, or try to project our identity onto the world.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's fascinating and it's such a powerful teaching. That one
teaching is so powerful because it's you know you. So
many people go after brands, the consumerism, all of that
kind of stuff is based around the last not only
at least faked around fear as well, but also based
around the fact that you want to be seen.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
As you want to be seen, and that becomes your
highest value, right, and that becomes very, very dangerous because
once that happens. See that abstraction layer, what we call
the mind, as this ability to see itself as a
subject and everything else as an object. So we have
a subject object relationship with reality. The problem is you
are reality. There isn't actually a true subject and object relationship.

(28:21):
There is on one level, but at a deeper level,
it's actually one seamless field of energy. We might describe
it as right. And if we only see one layer
of being, which is the subject object relationship, we're now
essentially walking alone in an alien world, and we feel
very very separated, and we feel alone fundamentally, even if
we have lots of friends, and what that does is

(28:42):
it distorts our logic and reason. This is why even
scientists these days are oftentimes not able to speak the
truth when it's obvious. And we've been through that over
the last few years. Even though it's obvious, they won't
speak the truth. They themselves may be confused on the
matter because their sense of self worth is still coming
from an outside source and they have to abide by

(29:04):
that outside source or lose their funding, lose their reputation,
lose their right. Then you're you're not a scientist anymore.
As soon as that happens, as soon as you've divested
yourself from what is factually objectively true. I mean, if
you're a scientist, that's their definition. You can't claim to
be a scientist anymore. I guess you could, but it's fraudulent, right,

(29:27):
And if you're even if technically speaking, you know that
you know the lingo and you know the techniques.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And based on everything we're just saying here in this teaching,
if you look at the credit card debt that we
in the United States alone or under, which is billions
upon excuse me, trillions, I think we're close over a
trillion or trill we're where to scend. That is this,
that is the status of where we are as a

(29:55):
society because we have now had to purchase and have
been sold all of these goods to give ourselves meaning
because we have a lack of meeting within ourselves. And
that one teaching if anyone listening can take that away
from this conversation, that idea could change the world in

(30:17):
many ways because it is one of the biggest causes.
Even war is caused by like look at me, Look
at me. I want to dominate you because I need
to be I need to show that I have purpose,
I have, that I exist, that I will. That's ego.

(30:41):
and now back to the show. That's ego coming out
of it, and.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
A lot of it is, you know, we look down
on the size. We're going to save them, right. That's
also basically it has to come from within. The United
States gained its freedom because within it the people said, look,
we want this and we're going to fight for it
right highest value. If it's not the highest value of
any people, they won't have it, and you can't give

(31:06):
it to them. It's just simply not how it works.
People have to find it within themselves and be willing
to fight and die for it, or is it simply
not going to happen or will be unsustainable. And so,
you know, I like the Star Trek idea of not
interfering with another race until they've reached a certain technological
level and can basically travel through space on their own.

(31:28):
Otherwise you don't. You don't interfere with them, you let
them develop on their own. Maybe we need to have
this idea that everybody needs to actually find the value
of freedom on their own first.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
And that's what I think one of the reasons why
the show is becoming more popular and more popular because
people are searching for this information. People really are hungry
because they've they've gone down that of the road and
all they have is debt. They don't feel any better.
They still have no meaning, and we've been program to

(32:00):
believe that meaning is outside of ourselves.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes, but yeah, the only problem with that is it
goes right back to what was his name? The book
Wherever You Go, there you Are.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I remember that book. Yeah, yeah, I forgot the
name of the author.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
But you got a great car you're still the one driving.
You're still there. And if you're not happy with yourself,
doesn't matter what you're driving, doesn't matter what kind of
boat you have, what kind of house you have, what
neighborhood you live in, You're still there. And if you're
at war with yourself on a subconscious level, if you
don't respect yourself on a subconscious which means you don't
respect reality, it's gotta be rough.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
In coming from the world I come from Hollywood, I
can attest to all of that. I mean, you could
be the richest, most famous people in the world I've
met and they some are really well put together, others
are not.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's probably pretty refreshingly rare, but probably refreshing when you
meet some that are pretty well put together.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, and it's it takes time to get there, you know,
like a Matthew McConaughey. Cool I have not met, but
from what he's doing publicly, you could see he's starting
to figure things out for himself and his own least journey, Yeah,
and trying to and trying to help others think about
things differently as well with his book and his seminars.
Now that he's putting together it's pretty fascinating. I hope

(33:17):
to have him on the show one day.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I thought, you got my vote.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I appreciate that. So that's a really so go ahead good.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I was gonna say, uh, how do we tie this
into the Jesus teachings? I mean, to me, it's just obvious,
but I'm not sure if it is obvious.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Okay, So yeah, so we've kind of dug into the
Genesis coude. So those are the those are some of
the major ideas in the Genesis in the Genesis Code.
Did you go past anything else in Genesis or was
only Genesis? Did you go into other areas of the
Bible to chart to see if you could find Oh?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, I did, Like, for example, are you familiar with
the character job?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So the interesting thing about so going back to Genesis.
In Genesis is a serpent. But the serpent nowhere in
the Bible as a serpent obviously mapped onto the idea
of the satan right right nowhere is it mapped onto
But we associate that to why do we associate the two?
It's because the serpent played a trickster character. But there's

(34:19):
an angel in God's hierarchy, so we could look at
the we could look at the angels as the fastest
or expressions of God. They are servants of God. They
don't do what God doesn't want them to do. One
of the angels is called the Satan in Jesus in Hebrew,
the Satan. The Satan was scouring the earth. God calls

(34:44):
upon him and says, where were you this? I was,
you know, scouring the earth. And I've got this guy
that I found that you think he's great, This guy
n Job. You think he's great, but I think he's
going to betray you. He just needs to write stimulus.
So you know, I want to test him out because
you say this whole thing is good. But I'm looking
at the this guy, the guy who's like the best
of the humans, and you know, I think if I
could tempt him, he would he would betray God, he

(35:08):
would betray us. So God's like, okay, go ahead, take
anything away from me want, but on the person himself.
Don't lay a hand, don't harm him, but you know,
take away all as wealth, take away as things, and
and we'll see how he does. And so the Satan
goes to job and takes his children, takes his livestock
takes his house and all the while hoping that Job

(35:31):
is going to prove right. But Job never cursed God,
Job never cursed reality. Job never judged himself, which means
he was following the law. And that's fundamentally that's it's like,
it's of course, it's an objectification of God in a sense.
It's it's it's it's an allegorical story. It's like it's

(35:54):
hard to undertand people don't understand. I found this when
I went to Japan. A lot of the old plays
and stuff like that. They're ridiculous. They're ridiculous. They take
these basic ideas and they turn them into characters. Right,
God is representing reality in this case, when you stub
your toe, mother, do you do all this? Damn it?

(36:17):
Why does this always happen to me? And you know
all of that, we start going into this very negative
judgmental state against reality, as if you know, we're victims,
we self victimism, victimize right, that's fundamentally simply stopping doing
that will change the quality of your life tremendously. The
next time someone lies to you, instead of saying they're

(36:39):
a liar, which doesn't endear anybody to you and instead
of thinking that just you might just think that might
not be the truth. Right, Instead of labeling each other
you're this, you're that, which is like rampant in society
now right, we might remove the labels and just recognize
that whatever it is is looking out their eyes is
the same thing that looking at your eyes. That's reality

(37:02):
exploring itself. You're them, they're you fundamentally, and if you
judge them that there's a calculation in your nervous system,
in your subconscious mind that recognizes you're judging yourself. You
don't love you, that's what it means. You don't accept you,
you don't appreciate you. There's no way you can be
happy under that circumstance. There's no way you can feel

(37:22):
inner peace. Your nervous system will be disturbed. And the
problem is that doesn't just go away. It's like stays
in the body and you experience it as inflammation. You
experience it is uncertainty, you experienced it is feeling alone.
You experience it is insecurity. And all the solutions we
have for that are be more recognized out there, be
more seen as important out there. And it's insane making

(37:43):
because if you can't get it out there, you'll create
it in here. You'll go insane and have visions of
grandeur and all that sort of stuff. This is a
holistic system that encompasses the body and the psychology and
the environment.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
So if someone's listening right now and they said that
sounds great, I want to find value inside of me.
I want to find that meaning inside of me. What
do I do?

Speaker 2 (38:09):
The first step is to recognize that you are reality
and that you don't know what that is. The second
step is to realize that reality is reality, and reality
itself doesn't know what that is. The question is not knowing.
The only question is not knowing, which means a state
of chaos. How can you still be loving? And that

(38:30):
requires a change in attitude. It means to be loving
without condition, to be accepting without condition. You don't have
to earn it, but it is a practice because we
have habit, like since you were a child, since you
were born, maybe even before. Some people we've been told
you're a good boy, you're a bad boy, you're a
good girl, you're a bad girl. If you don't do this,

(38:52):
you're bad. If you do that, you're good. What that's
done is. It has actually changed our neurology. Our sense
of identity is tied up and being good, good or bad.
And now I know the equation to get good is
to get approval from my mother. Then it becomes to
get proven from society. Then it becomes to get approval

(39:12):
from God. Approval from all of these external ideas. But
the one place, the one thing that will never go away.
You might get Alzheimer's, forget that you even have a mother.
You might lose everything and never have anybody's approval. But
there's one area that you can look to and that
will be required that you get calm, grounded and centered

(39:36):
open awareness in all directions, which is what the Warrior's
meditation that I teach us about. Calm, grounded, centered awareness
comes from Samurai training, where you will find the unconditioned
way of being, the unconditioned love, the unconditioned acceptance, the
unconditioned appreciation, the unconditioned respect that ultimately will lead to

(39:57):
a trust that will develop between the abstract layer, which
we call the mind and the body itself, which has
its own intelligence. A communication between the two will start
to happen, and then that will start to open up.
A communication between the environment, the body, and the mind,
and they will all start to unify and then you
will feel meaning. You won't have to create it.

Speaker 1 (40:20):

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Meaning is a revelation when you're tapped into the spirit
of truth, and the spirit of truth is the recognition
of the embodiment of oneness of being.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Well, that was excellent, by the way, thank you so
much for that. That hopefully that helps somebody listening. So
let's get into the Lost Teachings of Jesus, because I'd
like to quote this constantly on the show. Yogananda said, Paramahauza,
you're Gananda said, Jesus died, was crucified in a day,
but his teachings were crucified for the for the next
one five hundred years. It's it's so true. So what

(41:05):
are some of these lost teachings? Where did you discover them?
Did you discover them within the Bible? Did you discover
them outside of the Bible in the Bible?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Okay, So tell me most fundamental of the lost teachings
and the one that that will be directly is directly mappable,
and it's such an obvious way onto the teachings of Genesis,
which is stop moral judgment because in the in the
third story of Genesis, God warns, if you eat of
the knowledge of good and evil, which is the apple,

(41:37):
you will surely die. What does that mean? You might
have had the experience when you were a child up
to a certain age where you felt like everything somehow
was magical, like the world felt alive and vibrant and magical,
and then at some point that just stopped. Later on
in your life for whatever reason is Sometimes this happens

(41:58):
to people, oftentimes as a result of having a mystical
experience or a near death experience. They come out of
it and suddenly everything feels vibrant like that again, right childlife, Yes, childlike, vibrant, clear,
everything feels magical, mystical, amazing, you feel alive. But even
for people with near death experiences, a few months later,

(42:19):
things normalize again and you're back into this mundane world.
And that's the separation we're talking about. The brain has
this normalizing process, the process it makes sense biologically. It
wants to map reality. It wants to feel like I
understand what's going on, because it takes effort to constantly
update the map. It takes effort to actually see things

(42:39):
as they are. It's easier just to access the memory
project that memory onto reality. Like the first time you
ever see something, you're actually vibrantly seeing it, right. Imagine
the natives on the coast back in you know, sixteen
hundreds when the ships came, They're like, they were really
alive in that moment. They're paying attention in that moment.
That's what the hell is that thing?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
What is it that feeds our sense of the mundane
and the dullness? Of course it is the judgment. It
is the judgment because basically, what you're saying, you've reduced
this other person down to this little box label that
you've given them. That's a that's a leftist, that's a
right what we call a right winger. And you know,
there's so many of these types of things that are

(43:20):
going on. We've reduced them, were longer seeing them. It's
even connected to us. We've objectified them, and now we
just now darts at them, right, But we're doing that
to ourselves, and it is a very very jaded way
of moving through life. You're not really alive at that point.
You've lost the innocence. You've lost the connectedness, you've lost
the magic of life, and you're just projecting so that

(43:42):
you feel self important. It makes you feel like you
know something, to be able to label something. It's a
dominance move, That's what it is. It's a dominance book.
Put somebody down so you feel better. Right. I'm not
sure that that's helpful. But how does that relate on
to the New Testament. Thou shalt not judge. As you judge,
so you will be judged. Those who are judged cannot

(44:06):
enter into life. If you judge, you cannot enter into life.
Now we view this life as like that, and after life, no, no
right here, right now, you are disconnecting from reality. The
judgment is a moral judgment. I don't mean discernment, the
moral judgment labeling somebody yourself and others. I'm such an idiot.

(44:29):
You know that all those thoughts fog your mind, fog
your nervous system, and create this sense of aloneeness. And
that aloneeness leads to suicide. It leads to all forms
of addictions. It leads to compulsions, it leads to inflammation,
it leads to lack of clarity, it leads to self defensiveness.
It leads to self absorption, that leads to because we
need to get a sense of importance. Look at al Capone,

(44:52):
he considered what he was doing a service to society.
He thought he was an important man. Look at the
Adolf Hitler thought what he was doing was this great
service to his society. He thought he was he was
seeking important. Now we're gonna find importance in one of
two ways, one that's healthy for you, me, we, and
or one that's not. But it's unlikely that we're gonna
say to ourselves, yeah, none of that was really good.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So very few people can do that, right, So let
me ask you, then, why is there such a need
by a human being to find important, to find to
be seen, to find important? You know? Why is that
such a whore? Like tigers and lions and elephants don't

(45:37):
have that, you know, other parts of other species in
this on this planet don't have that. Why are we
so specific that it is almost in it is like
one of the great barriers or great challenges to be
a human is to deal with this thing. Why is
it so inherent in us?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yes, there are there fundamentally two layers too to the answer,
first is that comes from the abstraction layer, that layer
that says I am separate from reality. The layer it
doesn't even necessarily say that, it's just sort of intuits
that right, because it is a It is a mapping
mechanism that is capable of seeing things that are not

(46:20):
part of reality, i e. Planning you know next week,
I want to go to such and such a place. Well,
that's not the current reality. We're projecting into a possibility
in the future to plan. But that ability to project
into a reality that isn't comes with it also the

(46:40):
ability to spin reality, to manipulate the reality, to lie.
You know, you're not actually changing reality with a lie,
not directly, but you are brainwashing yourself to see it
in a way that it isn't, which means you're brainwashing
yourself to see yourself in a way that you aren't.
The reason we are seeing making a sense of importance

(47:01):
is we've every time we shame, blame, guilt, do arrogance
games which put ourselves up or other people up, put
other people down, that sort of thing ourselves down, victimize
ourselves are others. Every time that we play these games,
it's like we've just folded imagine your being as a paper.

(47:24):
We folded that paper. On that paper is written you me,
We won, right, you folded it. You can't see you
mean the first fold you can no longer see you
mean we. And every time that you believe you are
your name, you are your job, You are this, that

(47:44):
or the other thing, and your sense of identity is
dependent upon that information. You've folded that paper again and
just folds and fold and fold and fold and folds,
and get so small and so dense, and within ourselves
we become further and further from that fundamentals of truth,
the spirit of truth. It's at the very core of
that paper. The way forward isn't to acquire more identity.

(48:09):
The way forward is to unfold the paper and go,
oh wait, fundamentally, I'm really not a father. I'm really
not a mother. I'm playing that role. I love my son,
but truly he's not even really my son. He's me
in another body. Right. This is the universe. It's expressing,
and so I respect this one. My job isn't to

(48:29):
make him me in the external sense, but to allow
him to express himself in the fullness of being, because
his body is different than this body. Different in stead
of filters, you're not going to necessarily want to do
the same things I want to do. That's a revelation
for him, which means the revelation for me through his body.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
One of the big concepts here, and I want to
just really highlight this because it's so important. So many
of us, like we've been talking about, feel disconnected and
the delusion that we are not all one and that's
a bit of an abstract concept. It's an abstract concept.
But what we've been able to do here, and what

(49:05):
you've been able to say so beautifully and elegantly, is
that what makes up the tree, what makes up the leaves,
what makes up the animals, what makes up the air,
or what makes up the planet is the same stuff
that makes us up. We are all part of the
same code, the same makeup, just expressed in different ways.

(49:28):
That is such a powerful teaching because it is an
inarguable You cannot argue against that, you truly can't. And
if you can't argue against that, then you have to
accept the idea that we are all part of the
same stuff expressed in different ways. And if you can

(49:50):
do that, then the delusion of separation could begin to
crack and fall down. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yes, that's where it begins. It begins by fundamentally being
very very honest. Now that the beginning of it is
to be very very honest. The second part of it
is to recognize that we're that that that observation itself
is coming from the abstraction layer. It's like the abstraction
layer has become honest and go, okay, yeah, if I'm
going to be really really honest, I don't I am reality.
Everything's reality and I don't really know what reality is.

(50:20):
That's the beginning.

Speaker 1 (50:22):

Speaker 2 (50:31):
The next part is actually get really really deeply in
touch with the body itself and to respect the body
because it has its own intelligence. Most people don't know
this and never experienced it because the abstraction layer is
so dominated the body. It's it's in a passive mode.
It's like you've kicked your dog a thousand times. Eventually
it stops expressing. You know, it's in the shivering, disrespected state.

(50:52):
It has an intelligence that may profoundly outmatch the abstraction
layer's intelligence, and certain ways and to get in touch
with the body, which is why meditation is extremely important,
especially if it's done with the right attitude, with practices
that are less and less dependent upon being sedentary, because

(51:13):
we want to be aware of the connection of that
we are. See many teachings say you need to be
more present, right, that's itself an absurd statement. You are presence,
You are reality. Reality cannot be more reality.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But your mind is the delusion.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Mind is playing this game, right, and so if we were,
if we're going to be really honest with the terminology is,
let's just acknowledge it. We are reality, we are presence,
and no matter what we do, we can't be any
less of that, nor can we be any more of that,
which is why I cannot be more spiritual than you.
You cannot be more spiritual than me, and I cannot
become more spiritual than I already am. If spirituality is

(51:55):
essentially the acknowledgment of the totality of being, do you
see it? But for this to be embodied such that
our mind can't just run away with us at any moment,
it requires an awakening of the body itself, not just
an awakening of a philosophy, but an awakening of the
body itself. And this is why I teach what I

(52:15):
teach us called the total embodiment method. But back to
the forces of science, the forces of physics. We look
at that right now. We look at them as forces.
Goes back to something we talked about the very beginning
of this conversation. We talk about the strong force. These
are atomic forces, a strong force, the weak force. Then
we've got electromagnetic magnetism, and then we've got gravity. Well,
what if they're not just forces? What if they're senses.

(52:38):
I view the senses as well as the senses of
the universe. They're the senses upon which the normal five
senses that we think of, as well as the abstraction
layer are built. There's no difference. We're just an abstraction.
We're just an extension of those four fundamental forces. There
may be even more that we don't know of, but
they're not just forces. Spectful to think of them in

(53:01):
that way from my.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Perspective, right, I mean, if you look at gravity, they
can't explain it. They can say it exists, but they
truly don't know how it works in the scope of
the universe. Why is there what creates it? What starts it,
and then the whole concept of black holes starts saying
with their gravity and it can go on for days.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
It can and will go on for the rest of
your life, you know, And that's fine. It's the fundamental
thing is to recognize that we don't really know what
reality is. That's that's that's the basis of science. Actually,
it's the first say I don't know, but I'm interested
to explore, right, that's what really science is one of
the one of the most important aspects of what I

(53:46):
see of realities. In the Genesis Code, I describe the
creator God essentially as a conscious zero. It's you might
have seen the statement I am that I am. Moses
goes up to the mountain, finds a burning bush, reaches
out to him. Moses says, you know, who are you?

(54:07):
So that can give your message to my people and
let them know who it came from. They say it says,
I am that I am. What does that mean? People
don't tend to take it for granted. What does that mean?
What it means is I am reality. I don't know
what I am. I just am what I am. Reality
doesn't know what it is. It's a conscious zero. Effectively,

(54:29):
and so in its search for what it is is
the development of what I call universal mind. Universal mind
is like a mathematical algorithm. It will project a positive
statement about myself. I am in a negative sense statement
about hisself. But I have no evidence of that case.
Maybe I'm not.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Where a lot of people lean towards.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
We get the light, we get the darkness, we get up,
we get down, we get all of that create our
sense of duality, which is what we call reality. But
it's coming from a conscious ze zero. It's not coming
from an unconscious zero. Now when I see it, it's
actually coming in and out. This this is the consciousness
or conscious awareness of being, comes in and out of
existence at this unbelievable speed. This is the vibration of

(55:16):
the universe. The truth is you are and are not
simultaneous as the universe is and is not simultaneous. The
question is how do we live? Because all you really
care about is how you feel in a way that
you actually can get through being, which is what Yoda

(55:36):
va he means to be. That's the tetragramaton, that's the
that's the Lord God. In the Lord God's statement in
the Bible that goes all the way back to the
second chapter of Genesis to be how can we be
and not be miserable? Ye? And the way to do
that is to decouple, to get rid of judgment, get
rid of moral judgment, toss it out. No longer judge yourself.

(55:58):
Don't don't self measure anymore. You measure skills. I can
run a mile in five point five seconds, you know,
five point five minutes.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
God, God bless you, sir, I have let me be
your manager. Let me be your manager, sir, We'll make billions.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Fairness, I can no longer do that. But you get
the point. Someone else can run a quicker mile, but
that doesn't make them fundamentally better than me. No, the
expression in the expression of the body, we are not
created equal. Maybe we're not created. We're a revelation. We're
an extension of being. We're a revelation. And look at
Hugh Jackman, he may as well be a god on earth.

(56:36):
That's not fair. We don't live in a fair reality.
That's not fair. What's happening is the universal mind is
exploring all potentials of being. Some of them are super intelligent,
some of them are super hanpry, some of them were
tall and strong and healthy and kind. They can sing,
they can dance, they can act. It is just unfair.

(56:59):
And then you've got me, Richard.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I feel this is starting into a therapy session, Richard.
And if you need to talk about things with you,
I can call him for you and we can work some.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Things out with you. But you get the idea, right,
And that's basically what's happens, right.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
But real quick that when you when you compare yourself
to others, that's where a lot of pain and suffering
and delusion come into play. Because I always say to
people like, look, I can play basketball, you can play basketball.
We're not gonna play like Michael Jordan or Lebron James
like these are not That's not what we We're not
here to be expressed in that manner. You know, you
and I could right now work really hard for the

(57:43):
next year, train and the chances of us getting into
the NFL Richard are really low. No matter how hard
number is there a negative. We could train as hard,
have the best professionals in the world, eat everything right,
and I promise you and I will probably be in
pretty dee and shape at the end of that. But
we're not going to probably get into the NFL, and.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
That's probably the weakest player on the NFL on a
sick day would still beat us.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Absolutely. There's no question you could play tennis and then
you can play Serena Williams tennis like there's just a
different level that the's that's the way she was coming.
She brought into it, and the same way you and
I are expressing our superpower, our mission in life, in the.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Way that we are.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I challenge Michael Jordan to do what you do or
to do what I do. They don't have the same
skill set, just as I don't have his skill set
or you don't have his skill set. And if you
understand that, that's the joy of life is to figure
out what that superpower is and then dive into it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's interesting. I'm not even sure we all have a superpower.
I don't even have that much faith.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Or a purpose or purpose, whatever that purpose is.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And I found what I found is that it kind
of goes to a you're describing as purpose. We're alive
when we're curious, yes, And when you're curious, whether you're
skilled or not skilled, whether you're strong or are strong,
you feel alive. You know the five year old or
four year old me that felt a live and vibrant
and magical in this world, had no skills of note,

(59:18):
was a feeble little body, not too bright. It's the
curiosity that gives your life life. Remain in that innocent
curiosity as much as possible. But as soon as you
label something, you've actually divested them from your realm of curiosity.
You think you know them already, so you're not curious.

(59:38):
That's what you've done with yourself. You think you know yourself,
so you're not paying attention. The reality is this is
to anybody who's listening, you're the most amazing thing that
could ever be, just as everything else is. And you've
got all these nuances and flavors and perceptions that you
yourself may not be aware of. But if you become curious,

(01:00:00):
if you become curious about your own nature and the
nature of other people. When you have a conversation and
you really just like, actually interested in what the other
person is saying. I really want to hear what their
point of view, even if you don't agree with it,
you just like to hear it, to feel it, to
like almost see out their eyes. Life will become magic again,
and you'll realize that it never wasn't that, it's just

(01:00:22):
that you've been fogged. You've been fogged by this idea
that you know. And Socrates was right. Maybe we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Well, that's why Delphy said you are the wisest person
because you say you don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Correct, And if we've learned anything throughout history is wherever
we are, whatever point in time we are, man and
humanity has it all figured out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Every stage from the life I made fire, there's nothing else.
I created the wheel. We're done here, there's nothing else
to learn. Every step, every day that goes by, we
have it all figured out. And if you understand that
how lunacy, like a lunatic thinks this way to understand

(01:01:21):
that we truly don't know. And the reason I do
this show is because there's so many mysteries and ideas
and thoughts about reality, about what we're here to do,
about the other side, about what's inside of us, every
ass our history, our future, all of it. I'm endlessly curious.
I can never stop doing this show. I could keep

(01:01:42):
talking about all of these things infinite, literally, for an
infinite It just goes and on and on infinitely, because
there's no answer to it all. There's just different points
of view, as the old as the old proverb says,
we're just all looking at different parts of the elephant.
And this elephant's massive, and we go constantly this is

(01:02:04):
a massive elephant that I will never all see in
this life. And that's the beauty of it, because I'm
not looking for a destination. I'm enjoying the journey, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
That's right. That's an excellent place to finish. You think
you just put a perfect spot on it. So, unless
there's any other important questions we haven't covered, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Well yeah, there's there's a tremendous amount we could cover.
So just to touch on, you know, finally, with Jesus,
what was one of his most misinterpreted teachings that you
would like to from your research set straight for poor Jesus,
who has been misquoted quite often throughout history.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
In fact, I won't share any particular quote. Sure, just
teaching journey is an attitude that shows up later in
the Bible, later in the stories. So at first it's
important to recognize. And this is something that oftentimes is
really hard to wrap our minds around, because we've been
told if we're going to church, that the Bibles are infallible,

(01:03:11):
the exact word of God, and you know, just he
just infested somebody and and they wrote down his ideas.
That's probably not correct, and there's so much evidence to
show that that's not correct. Is to be bewildering, bewildering
and utterly astonishing. And I understand because when I was young,

(01:03:37):
I tried to talk to people about things that might
disprove it doesn't work. Who am I to save them?
And who am I to saved them? And maybe they
don't need saving maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
And maybe you're the one that needs saving, So who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Maybe I'm the one that needs saving. But what I
can say is that first, what is it that beliefs
do for us? There's certain there's a certain like I
have to believe we can never divorce ourself, believe I
have to believe that the that the water in here
is going to nourish my body, or I won't reach
out to grab it and drink it. Of course, there's
no getting around that. There's some certain amount of belief
that's necessary in this life. But the blind belief is

(01:04:13):
where things get very very dangerous. Yes, because what's happening
is we're giving it. We're creating an image of God
in our minds, which is an idol because actually you
don't know, you don't know it's an idol, and you're
worshiping this idol. Now, idle worship in the Old Testament
was actually they created a little statue or something. But
that statue is in your own mind, right, that statue

(01:04:34):
is in your own mind. That's the first step. So basically,
you know, believe, believe, believe is what is quoted Jesus
saying over and over and over again. The question is
what to believe? Now, if he scolded his students, if
you don't do as I teach you, If you don't
do if you don't follow these teachings, you can't possibly benefit.

(01:04:59):
It's not gonna work. You have to actually do these things.
What are these things that you have to do? Stop judging.
To be perfected by love, you must cease the moral judgment.
That's the fundamental teaching. But later in the Bible, when
he's when he goes to Jerusalem and he's confronting the
scribes and the Pharisees and the leaders. He labels them,

(01:05:20):
you hypocrites, you liars, you serpents. He's breaking the universal law.
He's breaking the law of reality, the law of God.
Nobody gets away with that. That I believe is a
false teaching, and it is utterly pervaded the religious establishments

(01:05:43):
around the world. That finger wagging, you know, that religious
finger wagging, that's what that is. Nobody likes. It's ugly.
It's ugly, and that's not what reality is about. That's
coming from the abstraction layer. That's the serpent, that's the
satan in your own heart. That's the confusion. The problem
is that those stories weren't written by one people. They

(01:06:04):
were written by somebody that came seventy years after the
fact of the existence of Jesus. It's not like everybody
could read back then. Almost nobody could. So this is
word of mouth spreading. These Bibles that we call these
books were written in Greece. They weren't written. They were
written in Greek, most of them. So that and then
they were rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten and

(01:06:26):
rewritten and modified and shaped and turned into what we
see now that may bear very little reflection upon what
the man actually said. Now we don't know did Jesus
say thou shalt not judge as you judge, so you
will be judged. If you live in judgment, you cannot
enter life those statements. We don't even know if he
said those, But what I can say is if you

(01:06:46):
actually follow these statements, your life will change. All of
your life will skyrocket. You'll feel so much better about
life in yourself, and it will be the most challenging
adventure you'll ever enter into, because every moment of your
life is inundated with conscious or unconscious judgments as a
result of the brainwashing that you've received since you were

(01:07:08):
born and the genetic we might say, the genetic momentum
that began to roll forward at the moment when the
first human being developed a sufficient degree of that abstraction
layer to be able to self judge.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
You know, it's really interesting because you know, I do
truly try to read the comments that come in, and
a lot of the negative ones always are. This doesn't
match up with like from near death experiences, This doesn't
match up with scripture. This is not the word of God,
you know enough. Obviously you and I are both demons.
I'm not sure if you're aware of that or not,

(01:07:42):
but you and I are both demons.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
But shaved my head, I couldn't find the horns, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I haven't seen You've been hiding the horns very nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Now there are probably other dimensional horns, is what it is.
Obviously obviously I mean army on other dimensions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Who but anyway, no, no, but but it all seriousness though,
the the this idea that a book that's been written, rewritten, rewritten, rewritten,
not just one book, all all texts, not to be curious,
not to question, not to investigate. I find it so odd.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
That's not at all. It actually makes total sense because
if they get they get excluded from the church. I mean,
even if not physically, yeah, I know it rationally. You know,
they're considered outsiders. And that goes to, you know, we're
outsourcing our sense of importance to our community.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So I need the respect of my church members to
feel I'm worthy, and if I question their teachings, they're
going to be angry at me. And now I'm no
longer worthy. So it all every all the issues we're
suffering from in the planet right now, all of them religious, political,
it doesn't matter. Every single one comes back to the
same point. Jesus. If he said this was an absolute

(01:08:56):
he was correct. He was just correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
But then it's it's tribal is. But it's tribalism. That's
why one of the biggest fears, if not the number
one fear above death, is speaking in public because of
out being outcasted from the tribe. Because if you're thrown
out of the tribe, you won't survive on a on
a on that level of existence. Back then, so now it's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Now, it's tough, right you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Well, yeah, I mean if you're thrown out of your
family because of your beliefs, yes, it's difficult. It's extremely difficult.
If not, you know, very hard emotionally, and you're gonna
have to deal with that baggage and thrown out of
your your profession, thrown out of wherever, friends, groups of friends.
It is. It is a very powerful thing that people

(01:09:43):
who want to manipulate you do manipulate you with and
go if.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
You don't the point it is manipulation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, it's a manipulation. You're like, well, if you don't
do this, then you're gonna be thrown out. And if
you're thrown out, you're just gonna be out there by
the wolves, by yourself. Where again, that's the delusion of separation,
because if you understand, they're like, well, if I'm out there,
I am God, I am part of God, I am reality.
I am connected to that at a deeper sense. With
or without my community. I can do that, and hopefully

(01:10:14):
the rest of us can can if you understand that.
It is such a powerful teaching and if I make
if I might end it with a quote, and please
correct me if I'm wrong I'm paraphrasing here, but Jesus said,
the Kingdom of God is within you. Anything I can do,
you can do that and greater something along those lines.

(01:10:36):
That's exactly what we've been talking about here. So we'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. I'm going to ask you
of Richard.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Those two quotes are ones that you very rarely hear
stated in churches.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Of course, Yeah it doesn't go along with don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Go along with the talker, But yeah it doesn't. It
was interested just look it up right there in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Film, right exactly that it's peacemealed. If you will, teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Even more important than the Bible, if you just researched
this on your own, watch your own heart, watch how
you feel about yourself in your own body when you
morally judge or when you're morally judged, and you'll see
how ugly it is, and you'll probably stop doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Richard, I'm gonna ask a few questions. I ask all
my guests. Sure, what is your definition of living a
fulfilling life? If you can go back in time and
give your younger self some advice, what would that be?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I would we wouldn't give myself any advice. I feel
like every moment was really really necessary. I had to
have all the bumps and bruises I had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, how do you define god reality?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
You me need?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
What is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
That's an interesting one. I mean it is the same.
I wouldn't call it a purpose. It is what is happening.
The universe is exploring itself. I don't want to state
that it is actually intending to do that, like as
a purpose that human beings. It is simply what it's
doing by its nature, And that to me is that
ultimate purpose. So as humans do that, we reflect reality

(01:12:17):
more accurately.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Sir Richard lhit dot com. It's h A I g
HT dot com. Got everything we've got. I've got a
three thirty days meditation training there that will teach you
the warrior's meditation. It's a calm, grounded, centered open awareness.
You're able to move in it. You will to have
your eyes open, you able to talk, walk, and chew
gum at the same time, ultimately coming towards that center

(01:12:43):
of love and awareness and curiosity that we've been talking about.
Three days of that and after that we'll see where
it takes you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
And do you have any parting messages for our audience?
Just I love you all, Richard. It has been a
pleasure having you back, my friend. We will definitely I
have a feeling that will be you'll be back again
to have another deep conversation with me, my friend. I
appreciate you and all the work you're doing, my friend.
Thank you again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
All right, thank you, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I want to thank Richard so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge with all of us.
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