BONUS MONDAYS: Former CATHOLIC Priest REVEALS Jesus' MYSTICAL Lost Years & Connection to BUDDHA with Fr. Seán ÓLaoire

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The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those
of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the views
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the companies they represent. Now today on the show, we
have Father Sean o' larry, and Father Sean is not
really a father anymore. He'd left the Catholic Church years ago,

(01:44):
and we discuss why he did, how he discovered Jesus's
true teachings. We also discuss about druid mysticism, where it
comes from, its origins, and the connection that Jesus had
with Buddha. Very very fascinating conversation. Guys, I think you're.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Let's dive in. I like to welcome the show, Father
Sean o'larry. How are you doing, Father Sean.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I'm doing really good, Alex, It's lovely.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Just make it. It's such a pleasure meeting you as well,
my friend. You know you and I have very similar beginnings,
if you will, we both we both kind of came
up in the Catholic Church. Like I was joking with
you prior, I did not go as far as you did.
I got off the road, I got off the ship earlier,

(02:33):
and you said, no, no, I'm gonna keep going. I'll
signal back and you know what I find.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
But that was before we hit the iceberg.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
That's before you hit the iceberg.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Your your work that you've been doing for for all
these years. I mean, can you just tell the audience
a little bit about how you began your spiritual journey
in you know, in the in the Catholic Church and
then where have you? And it seems as the Buddha
behind you and the lovely island beads behind you not

(03:10):
so much. I didn't see that in the Vatican as much.
So you've changed a bit along the way. So can
you tell the audience a little bit of how you've
started your journey where you've gotten to here today?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sure? So. I was born in nineteen forty six in
Cork City in Ireland, and for the first six years
of my life I lived with my paternal grandparents and
my great grandmother was still alive. She was alive until
I was nearly ten years of age. She was a small,
squad little woman. She was as white as she was high,
and she was blind in one eye. But she had

(03:41):
this extraordinary mystical vision. She was the greatest mystic I've
ever come across. So she had this extraordinary devotion to
Mother Mary. For her, Mother Mary was more real to
her than you are to me, Alex right now. So
she would talk about to Mother Mary throughout the day.
And as the first great grandchild, I was pretty to
these conversations. I presume this was the norm. And so

(04:01):
she had just extraordinary relationship with Mother Mary. So I
tell you a funny incident. She would go to Mass
every single morning in her Franciscan church in Kirk City,
and then at Christmas time there was another church called
Saint Peters and Paul's and it had a life size crash,
you know, life sized figures of Jesus and Mary and
Joseph and the donkey whatever. But there were these big,

(04:22):
big steep steps going up to it, and she'd go
after Mass in the Franciscan church at Christmas time, she'd
bring me with her to visit the crash and she'd
knievel on and she'd be talking to Mary Now there
was a guy who figured this out. He saw her
doing this on a regular basis. He decided to play
tricking her. So he ran up ahead of us, hid
himself from the straw next to the baby Jesus and

(04:43):
made great gummy grows up and she's talking to Mary,
and all of a sudden the said pitpsbreak voice says.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
It's good for stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
You come in here and you great looks at the
churches and says, be quiet, child, I'm talking to your mother.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
That's absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. So you you start so, yeah,
you started off with this kind of there's the norm
for you.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, it was the norm. But then at age six,
I'm living with my maternal grandparents and my grandfather on
that side, whom I call Daddy Jim, was a druid,
you know. He was a great musician, a great area
step answer, and he was the greatest storyteller iver came across.
So he filled me up with all the ancient mythology
of Ireland. There the tour that had done and film

(05:33):
Mahol you know, cool and people like that. So I
had the two sides, but I had the ancient kind
of pagan past, and I had do mystical kind of Christianity,
so that was kind of like there were the foundation
stones of my spirituality.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
So when you say druid, I've never met druid. I'm
assuming you're one of the first, but i've met. Can
you explain to the audience what, because I mean, as
a Catholic this is all sacrilege. Obviously we should all
be burning in hell for even talking about mysticism and
things like this, But can you explain to the audience

(06:07):
a little bit about what a druid is, where the
pagan the ancient pagan spirituality came from, and how it
affected Christianity, you know, and how it all kind of
mixed in together because it is much older, how many.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Thousands of it's gone back at least to at least
two one thousand PCE before the Common Era, at least
back as far as that now. It depends whether you're
looking kind of at geographical and historical records, are you
looking at mythological records. So, for instance, in Gaelic we
have mythology about a past called we have two names
for it in Gaelic. Sometimes we call it theo fajone,

(06:49):
which means the land under the waves, and sometimes we
call it the Norge, which is the land of the
ever young. And according to this myth, there's there's a
civilization under the Atlantic. Now on some versions that's going
to be called Atlantis. In the Gaelic version is called Theofahound,
the land under the waves. And one theory is that

(07:09):
they actually came the Celts came from there when Atlantis
sank that the one group of them came eastwards and
landed in Ireland, you know, an inhabited Ireland, and they
ruled Ireland for thousands of years. And then the Celts
came about the year six hundred BCE, and there were
two great battles betwhere between they were called the tour

(07:31):
their Donan from Atlantis and the Celts, who probably came
from eastern Europe. And the Celts won both battles, so
there was an agreement that they would divide the land
of Ireland between the two of them. So it wasn't
that one got the north and the other got the south,
the one got the east, other got the west, but
rather that the Celts would inhabit Ireland over the ground

(07:52):
and the Tour of the Donald wouldn't habit Ireland under
the ground, so they shape shifted and they became the
faery folk of Ireland. And so yeah, they.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Change shape, the fairies, the nornies.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Elementals of all these these kinds. Yeah, and so the
Celts then kind of does a cross fertilization that happens
of spiritualities and for the for the Druidic culture, then
nature is really really important, the love of nature and
the appreciation of nature and of the feminine. So the
feminine is really really important in Druidical culture. And so

(08:29):
you have a storytelling, you've got music, you've got ceremonies
of various kinds honoring the seasons. So we have four
great seasons we have. We start first of February with
what's called in Bulk, which is the feast of Saint Bridget,
who is a Celtic goddess and also a Christian saint.
And then on the first of May you have what

(08:50):
we call Biltina you hear miss pronounced at as Deltain.
That's the first of May. Then the first of August
is called Lumnusa, and the first of November is called
the Sourin. And so we divide the year into this
four great periods. And it's interesting that for the Druids
and the Celts, the year began with the darkening period,

(09:10):
when the sun was getting smaller and smaller and smallness, guys,
that's the beginning of the year. And so it's that
light is birthed out of darkness. For the Drigiddle culture,
light and darkness are not enemy figures. You know. Darkness
is the can of the fertile womb, which ges states
and gives birth to light. And so it becomes really

(09:31):
really important then that we understand that that they're not enemies.
Light and dark are not enemies. And the same thing
with the day. The day for the Celts begins with
the sundown, and so it's the evening at six pm
our time is when the day starts. So you get
this kind of reversal of the understanding that light and

(09:52):
dark are not enemies. They're actually they're dancing together. One
needs the other. That one is the kind of the
fertile ground than which all life is conceived, carried and
given birth and then latest what eminates from that.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So to take it back to the Atlantic time of
the Atlantis myth, that makes sense because I mean, from
the point of Atlantis. The myths are that they you know,
they went over to Egypt and their thought over there
and they spread around, you know, when the city under
or the land underneath the ocean, they spread around and
created a bunch of different civilizations in the meso America

(10:27):
and so on. So that wouldn't mean that that that
that Atlantis, that this this the Druids would actually be
much much older. We're talking about probably twelve thousand years old,
if it's from its original origins, way way before Jesus
was even a glint in Mary's eye, as they say.

(10:51):
Will be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show. Yeah, so that's fascinating
because I've heard about and you know here in the States,
you know, I heard about this, and I please confirm.

(11:12):
Is it true that you can actually get certified to
find is it gnomes or some sort of like it's
like some sort of mythical creature that we consider mythical.
There is like a certification in Ireland, and it might
be it might be Wales, it might be Scotland. Please
forgive me, but there's a certification that you could go
to school and learn how to you know, catch them

(11:34):
or show like or to check them, or please tell
me I'm out of my mind, or is this is
this true?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Sir?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I'm sure I haven't heard of that. Next, but I'm
sure if there's any way of kind of creating credentials
or making money out of an idea, somebody can't up.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I gotta believe get if you want to. If you
want to catch gnomes, you're going to have to get
a certification. But I heard about this. I actually I
did look it up and it seemed correct. I'm sure
that's not part part of the tradition, but that there
is enough enough market that thing exists and someone's actually

(12:12):
paying money for this.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Absolutely. So I'll tell you a story about My grandfather
used to tell me lots of stories about They're sometimes
called the two head. They're done and which means the
people of the goddess Dana. So Dna may have been
an Atlantean princess that was part of the first wave
that came eastwards, and that's settled in Ireland, and so
they live now underground, and so their areas in Ireland

(12:35):
they're called fairy forts. The round circle of mounds of
earth under which the two head done and lived. So
my grandfather told me a story one time, and he's
my grandfather, so he wouldn't tell me lies. He's about
the seven year old boy and they live about two
miles from Blarney, where the famous Blarney Castle is. Yeah,
and there's a big fairy fort in Blarnie, and it's

(12:56):
evening time and his mother sends him down to the shop,
which is about two miles away, to get a bag
of sugar for the tea. And my grandfather is about
seven years old. He's wandering down to the village, gets
the two pounds of sugar, and he's on his way
back and it's now getting nice and the moon is
coming out, and here's this brilliant music. And he was
always a great musician, even as a child, great musician.
So he's wondering where's the music coming from, and he

(13:18):
sees the sprink of light coming from the hillside and
he goes up, and being a small boy, he can
see in and underneath there's this huge, big gathering of
fairies and they're having all we call a shiamsaw a feast,
a song and dance and whatever. And he's looking at
and somebody spots him and they begged him to come in,
so he crawls in through it, and he's delayed with
the music, and they ask him, can you play music?

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And he says, yeah, I can play the fiddle. So
they give him a fiddle and he's playing the fiddle.
And so at the end of the sham, sir, they're
going to have a cup of tea. And then they
discovered they have no sugar. And my grandfather said, I've
I've got a pound of sugar here. So he spread
the sugar. Everybody's a spoon of sugar. They have the
tea together, and then he crawls out back home, and
and the whole village is out looking from He's been

(14:03):
missing for seven days and his mother says, where's the
bag of sugar?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Let me let me ask yourself that Sean.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And the concept of fairies and gnomes and and these
elemental you know creatures have come up multiple times in
some near death experiences, in in some you know and
obviously in some more pagan or Wicca, the Wicca you know,
which is I think an offspring of of the Pagan

(14:35):
Druid lineage, if you will, what I've heard, and now
this is something I've heard from a quantum physicist. It's
so fascinating that the parallel lives and the parallel realities
that we all live in, that there are multiple versions
of this conversation going on right now, and there's multiple timelines,

(14:55):
And there's a timeline where you said I got I
got off the ship early, and you did not become
a father, and you did other things. And you know
that that veil between realities is getting thinner and thinner,
and some of these quote unquote other beings or creatures
are popping in and popping out, popping in and popping out,

(15:16):
and that's where we see these kind of things. From
your point of view, what do you think of that?
And from your studies and everything that you've done? How
much validity? I know you can't prove it, but how
much validity do you think these kind of ideas have.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think they're hugely important. I believe completely in it.
So you know, when we think about what kind of
proof can you adduce to kind of back up any argument.
There's a whole branch of philosophy which is called epistemology,
which answers the question how do we know what we know?
And basically there are three ways we know what we know.
The first one is some authority figure tells us and
we believe them. You know, the television tells us, or

(15:52):
the priest tells us, or the scientist tells us. That's
one not. The second way we know is we experience
that for ourselves. And the third way we figure stuffs
out on our own. We put pieces of the puzzle
together and may create the jigsaw puzzle. And for me,
no one of them is more important than the other.
So there's the can Materialistic science only believes you know
what the sensorim can deliver to us. But I believe

(16:14):
that you know, we are multi tiered creatures, and that
when you look at the Hindu notion of body, for instance,
and we exist at seven different levels. There's the physical body,
which is vibrating between infrared and autro violet from four
hundred to seven hundred nine others. We can see that
and touch it. And then there's the etheric body, which
is vibrating at a slyer high frequency, so now you

(16:34):
can see somebody's aura. Then there's the can astral body,
which is vibrating at a higher level still, and it's
the body we inhabit when we're dreaming, so there is
no time, there's no space. I can dream tonight about
my grandfather who died in nineteen fifty six and lived
six thousand miles from me, and instantaneously I'm there. So
at the astral level, you know, there's no nether distance
nor time. And I think Hinduism that's the level of

(16:57):
the self, in which all of the ex eppeiances of
this incarnation just ending are archived until I come back
on the next time. And then the fourth level is
the mental body, it kind of Plato's ideal realm, the
place from which we download all great ideas. And then
the fifth level is that psychic body, the place where
we discover clairvoyance, clear sentience, clear audience, precognition, all these

(17:19):
kinds of things. The sixth level then will be the
soul self, which is the archives of all of the
incarnations I've ever lived. And then the final level is
a god consciousness. Now I believe that there are seven
levels of the physical planet itself, that this planet has
seven bodies as well. And here's why I constructive with myself.
I think that the third rock from the Sun in

(17:41):
this galaxy, you know, that we call planet Earth. It
started out four point six billion years ago as a physiosphere,
justly just rock, simple rock, and then at some stage
it developed an atmosphere, another sheets surrounding the physiosphere. So
the physiosphere can be studied by physics, the atmosphere can

(18:02):
be studied by kind of biology. Perhaps. Then the third
level is the biosphere around the atmosphere. So the atmosphere
is like it's like the womb of the Earth. It
was necessary to create an atmosphere or a womb in
order to gestate life. And then it just dated firstly
flora and then fauna. Then there's the fourth level, and
we're halfway through that at the moment, and Tyler de

(18:23):
Shardak call that the newosphere, the sheath of consciousness that
surrounds the biosphere. And you know, we have this through
the internet instant connection all over the world. But it's
a very dangerous place to be. The journey from the
biosphere to the newsphere is fraught with danger because we
can develop technologies that will utterly destroy ourselves in the

(18:45):
planet itself. So we have to navigate really really well
in this phase. Now, if we manage this, there are
three more stages afterwards. For the planet, the next stage
I call it the anima sphere. Anima as in the
Latin soul, that there's a soul. The planet has a soul,
so there's a soul sphere. And then above that is
the newmosphere human being spirit, and then above that, finally

(19:07):
I would call it the cosmosphere. And so there are beings,
you know, extra dimensions, extra tresses of various kinds all over,
and it's a question of can I shift my state
of consciousness? Can I go into an altered state in
which I can see into other dimensions or experiences of
other beings. And we're surrounded by them, so we have

(19:28):
to shift our focus in order to see them. So
it's not where we look that's important, it's how we
look that's important. If I don't know how to look,
look everywhere and find nothing. If I do know how
to look, it doesn't matter where I look, I'll find everything.
And so these elementals are as real as you and
I are. But the question is can I enter the

(19:48):
state of consciousness in which I can perceive that other
level of reality because it's completely.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Real, which is very similar to what the yogis where
it must do. The yogata is the baba GE's of
the world were able to raise their consciousness to a
place where they can go. I mean their stories of
Yogu Nanda going into meditation for two or three days
and he would tell his followers, just whisper in my
ear if you need me to come back, and he
would be gone. He would be gone in the astro field,

(20:13):
and god knows where other realms he was in, and
he would come back and to be able to see
like and baba Jee's the most the ultimate example of that,
being able to completely play with reality in a way
that we just don't know how to yet. And Jesus
was able to do that. Buddha was able to do
that to a certain extent. They were able to manipulate,

(20:35):
manipulate the environment, and very high end yogi, highly developed yogi's,
also levitation, biolocation, all the things that are known. Will
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. I have to ask you, Sean,

(20:58):
I mean, as a Catholic as myself, at what point
when you it's so difficult. And I asked this question
because there are a lot of people who are still
if they're watching the show, they have questions. So if
they're watching this, they're curious about something, whether to be
angry at what we're about to talk about or to

(21:20):
be enlightened by about what they're about to talk about.
Uh and I and again I always tell people religion
has its place and there and people if they look,
if it wasn't for the Catholic Church, I probably wouldn't
have been exposed to the idea of God, the idea
of Jesus, a idea of something larger than myself.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Without that education, it came with.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
The baggage, yes, and I still feel guilty about it,
but as a good Catholic. You always feel guilty as
a good Catholic. But when you started to investigate outside
of what you've been taught and you went really down
deep that rabbit hole in becoming a priest father, what

(22:02):
was it like when your mind started to be exposed
to other ideas that are completely against everything you've been taught.
There had to been a struggle within you or was
it just you were just like, I'm open. How did
that work for you? Because a lot of people listening
right now are at the exact point where you were

(22:23):
when you decided to read a book or go down
other roads.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
So great question, great question, Alexa. I told you I
was under these two great influences as a little child,
growing up mystical Christianity and kind of pagan, kind of
driidical mythology. And so I spent eight years in the seminary.
I'm orday End at age twenty six, and I sent
to Kenya. I spent fourteen years in Kenya, and I

(22:47):
fell in love with it immediately. Now I was always
fascinated by mythology. In fact, the year, the year between
my junior and senior years in high school, I spent
three months in an area in Ireland where Gaelic is
still the mother tongue, and I was collecting proverbs. In Gaelic,
we call them schanochel, which means ancient words. And I
would collect the proverbs from the elders in the village

(23:09):
and I'd ask them in what context would you use
this particular proverb? And they collected four hundred and thirty
two proverbs during the summer. And I remember one old
man saying to me, he said, you know, if CHRISTI
Andrey had never come to Ireland, we could live according
to the proverbs. It was absolutely right, because stories and
mythology are the archived wisdom of a culture. Now they're

(23:31):
put in story for them because if you express something
philosophically or scientifically, the terms change over the years and
they don't mean what they originally meant. You could tell
somebody a story and they can unpack it, you know,
in a way in which is relevant for the circumstances
in which they find themselves. So I got to africat
age twenty six ostensibly to convert people to Roman Catholicism.

(23:52):
And I've fallen in a way of the privilege of
learning four different kind of languages and the mythologism and
the folklore. And soon I begin to say to people,
if Christyandry had never come to Africa, you can live
according to your proverbs, because the problems are the distillation
of the mythology of a culture. So the wisdom is
inherent in it. And I differentiate between wisdom and knowledge.

(24:14):
For me, knowledge is data that are generated by the
sensorium and process by the brain, whereas wisdom is data
that are generated by the soul and process by the heart.
It's totally different. Phenomenon. And so when you go into
wisdom and you process at the heart level, you're on
the basis of soul inspiration. You have access to a

(24:34):
hotrove of information and data you don't normally have. And
so now I'm beginning to say, let's trade. I want
to become what Carlum called a gnostic intermediary and nastic
into media is somebody who's so well a versed in
two very different systems that he can cross fertilize them
too their mutual benefit. So I say, okay, here are
the stories that I can tell you from Ireland. You

(24:55):
tell me the stories from Kenya, and we'll see what
comes of it. And so over time I then begin
to radically reassess. I lived right on the lily on
the equator for fourteen years, and so I was twelve
hours days, twelve oars night. So at nighttime I didn't
have electricity, eight candles. There's no bloody way I could
got to sleep at six o'clock in the evening being Irish.
So I spent a lot of my time creating what

(25:17):
I call my own personal cosmology. So one by one
I'd examine the tenets of my belief system, and say,
if I hadn't been born Catholic, if I'd been born
Hindu or Buddhists, would I believe this? For instance, if
I were born Hindu, would I believe that there's a
man in room called the Pope who wears a high
hat and that is infallible? There's no bloody way I
we'd believe that for our Hindu So okay, let's dunt darwen. Yeah,

(25:40):
and so one by when I'm taking you know, if
I were born Buddhist and I heard two unto others
as you would like them to do to you, would
I still believe it? Absolutely? Okay, we'll put that in
a different bucket. So I created two buckets, ones that
would make sense to me no matter what back when
I came out of as that would only make sense
to me if I were in doctrinates in particular culture.
Created brand new cosmology on the basis of the stuff

(26:02):
that that I saved. I harvested that and then created
cosmology that could make sense to me. Now, a cosmology
should do four things for me. The first thing is
it should make my soul, saying, if I've got a
personal cosmology that's adequate, it should make my soul saying. Secondly,
it's should stretch me out of my comfort zone. Thirdly,

(26:23):
it should be able to explain everything I experience, extraterrestrial elementals, whatever.
It should have a place for those. And fourthly, it
needs to be regularly updated as I have new experiences.
So it's a good thing that grows. So I've been
saying that for many many years to my own community
now in Pala w alto everyone of you is responsible
for creating your own cosmology. You know, that's your life journey.

(26:45):
You can't just borrow from somebody else. You can be
inspired by somebody else's cosmology, but you have to create
your own, brand new cosmology. So I spent fourteen years
and African doing that, and then it came to the
States in eighteen eighty eight, and I continue to do
it and as a very ran at the problem that
is with the with the Croatia.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yes they don't they don't like when you with new
they don't like new ideas. I got in trouble with
the with the with the with the nuns. When I
go so Jesus, last we heard he was twelve, and
then he shows up and he's thirty what thirty one,
thirty two, thirty thirty at thirty Uh and uh what happened? Oh,

(27:26):
we don't talk about that, but those are the best years.
Like was he was? He was he a troublemaker? He
was a teenager? Was he a bad teenager? Was he?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I doubt that he was just you know, walking around
turning fish into you know, loaves and you know, turning
water into wine. At fifteen? What was going on? Because
the one thing that I discovered in my my journeys
and research into spirituality is that no master shows up
fully formed, no master, none in history has ever come

(27:55):
fully formed. Not Buddha, not Jesus, not Mohammed, not Baba
j not anybody. They all all have to go through
the process, the same process that you and I are
going through. So that opened up the door as opposed
to the doctrine of a lot of more traditional dogmatic religions,
that is like, no, they're infallible. They came fully formed.

(28:15):
They basically created idols essentially, as opposed to understanding, no,
these are representations, these are what is possible, and that's
what the Yogis talked about, That's what Jesus talked about.
That's what Buddha talked about, which is my next question.
What's my next question to you is you've mentioned that
Jesus and Buddha, their teachings are very similar in many ways,

(28:39):
but you've gone as far as saying that they might
be the same soul that got reincarnated. Because in my
research going into the Council of Nicea when they were
writing the Bible, which people still lose their mind when
they hear that for the first time. I'm like, you know,
they pulled books out of it. The origin story of Jesus,

(29:00):
it's quite similar to the origin story of Buddha. I'd
love to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, I created a mayhem in the church when I
first kind of suggested that that the guy we know
was Jesus of Nazareth was a reincarnation of guy we
knew was at the buddh of five hundred and fifty
years before. But it makes perfect sense to me. You
know that I think that every era needs an infusion
of extraordinarly advanced spirituality, and that, in fact, I just

(29:28):
finished delivering afore they retreat to my community, you know,
in which I talked about a life between life sessions
that I underwent in two thousand and six with a
great friend of mine called Matt McKay, and I experienced,
you know, in a total four our session, and I
had an account with Jesus as part of that, you know.
And one of the things I said to joking with me,

(29:49):
I says, dude, come back already, we're in deep. Do
do here? And so? And he cracked up. And so
for me, I believe not only that he may be
the reincarnation, but that great souls, in fact, even less
of souls. We we multitask, we have parallel lifetimes. And
people ask me, how is that possible? You know, how

(30:11):
is it that I don't know the other lifetimes I'm having?
And the example I use is I take check a
movie star like Sean Penn. I love some of his movies,
and I say, you know, suppose I would put on
his Sean Penday and Palo Walt, and I would to
prevail upon ten different movie theaters to show a different
movie of Sean Penn and then one of them guys
a dead man walking where he is the last day

(30:31):
is like he's about to be executed? What's his name?
And that do you remember what his name was.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't remember his name, but I remember the movie.
And then Fast Times Richmond High is another one, and yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, And the other one I loved was I Am Sam,
where he is a mentally re charged adult. What he's
raising a very brilliant seven year old girl. Now, so
I would put you on ten movies of Sean Penn,
and they all started ten o'clocking a Sunday morning. Now,
the guy I Am Sam has no idea whatsoever that
there's another guy on death row just about to be executed.

(31:00):
Sean Penn, who's the actor, is aware that he's playing
both these roles simultaneously now right now. So the actor
is aware of it, you know, but the characters are
not aware of it. So you're aware only of the
character you're playing as Alex, and I'm only aware of
the character in pays in Sean. But your soul self
is aware all of the other roles you may be
simultaneously playing in order to kind of parallel process or

(31:21):
speed up the evolution of your own soul.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
So, I think characters like Jesus particularly because the soul
is infinite. No matter how many pieces you break up
of it, you know, it's still infinite, and that you
can distribute that energy over parallel lifetimes. And because there
is no time at the other side, parallel does not
mean that they're contemporaneous. So I could right now be
paying a role as Sean, an Irish Catholic priest, you know,

(31:55):
in two thousand and twenty four, and simultaneously I'm playing
a parallel life in North Africa as a slave girl
in the thirteen hundreds, or as an astronaut in the
twenty sixth century someplace else. Am I doing it right now?
Because there is no time when we step off this
three dimensional reality of this little planet. And so I
think that the great avatars, particularly, you know, they're multiprocessing

(32:19):
in parallel lifetimes, you know, And that the really great
souls keep coming back because they take a kind of
a body of sath for vow that although they've worked
up all their own personal karma, they're coming back for
the rest of us, to wake up the rest of us.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes, And that's that's what I've heard from the Vedic
traditions as well, that these baba Jee specifically, he's just
hanging out here, has been here I think they say
twenty five hundred years or something along those lines, and
works with Jesus and works with you know, the all
the great ascended masters. To do that, it's hard. It's

(32:54):
fascinating it because I've said the same thing so many times.
It's like, well, you know, if I was born Hindu, yes,
I would have been Hindu. If I would have been
born Jewish, I would have been Jewish. It's about the programming.
It's about the programming within the first seven years of
your life. Essentially, if what Bruce Lipton says is is accurate,
and I think it is that, I mean I would

(33:14):
I was born Catholic and that was just like you
and your great grandmother. That's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I'm assuming there's another timeline somewhere that you were born
atheist into an atheist family, you know, and you have
no spirituality whatsoever, and you're right now in Vegas doing
something that you shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Can you buy me a ticket.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Some sort of the batchery is happening. I'm probably there
with you, sir, I'm probably there with you. But this
idea of parallel lives, because again, because I have such
a unique perspective of talking to so many people from
so many different walks of life, I'm looking like you
were saying, to put the puzzle pieces together. I want

(33:59):
to see the whole elephant. I want to see the
whole elephant. And not many people see the whole elephant.
They just see the tail of the trunk, or the
toe or the ear, and they say that's the elephant.
So putting it all together, this idea that there is
no past life, that there is no future life, that
all lives are happening at the same time, it's hard
for us to comprehend your idea, your your analogy of

(34:21):
the movie theater with Champagne's brilliant. I have another one
that a friend of mine gave me, which is like,
if you're watching television, well you know there's about five
hundred other shows going on at the exact same time.
Is that you're watching this one show, but you're not
aware of the other shows because you haven't tuned into
those shows exactly so, and then if your head really
wants to hurt, then you start talking about parallel reality.

(34:43):
It's a different timelines and the multiverse and then understand
that it's infinite. How do you how do you wrap
your head? How can you what advice do you give
somebody to wrap their head about the things that we're
just talking about, which, by the way, now is being
reinf forced by quantum physics.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. So here's one of the things I said, Alex,
that you know, I believe that when we volunteer for incarnation,
and we do volunteer and we make what I call
preconception contracts without a group of other souls that will
past significant roles in their lives, you know, on planet Earth.
But when we volunteer to our kind of come into

(35:22):
this kind of physical plane, this three D dense reality
we have, we're subject to four limitations. The first one
is that we have to trade our cosmic being for
this little one hundred and fifty pounds you know, spacesuit
that I'm occupying right now. That's the first limitation. The
second one, I have to trade cosmic consciousness for this
little tiny laptop that I'm carrying between my ears. The

(35:45):
third one is that because this laptop is so small,
I cannot drop the intargeted delta even incarnation, So I
have to break it up into bite size pieces and
process them sequentially, giving rise to the illusion of time.
And then the fourth one is that there's an easy
created just before we before we are issued into planet,
our grandmother God pinches our nostrils and creates amn easier

(36:08):
because part of the function of incarnation is to figure
out why we're here. If we were given the answers
to be like going to school and getting the answers
to a test, so you don't have to study. So
there's an easy creator. So these are the four kinds
of limitations on us. So time is a total illusion.
There is no time outside of that. Everything is the now,
but we come into time. And then my experience is

(36:30):
that we break it up into seven pieces. Two versions
of the past, two versions of the present, and three
versions of the future. So the first version of the
past is what actually happened, what really happened, you know, historically,
and we're influenced by that because we're the product of it.
There's a second version of the past and that's kind
of that which was written by the victors, the historians,

(36:53):
and that's another version of the past. It may not
be accurate, but there's a huge influence in who we
are right now and how we're behaving. So there's two
versions of the past. There's two versions of the present,
because there's what's really happening in our world right now
and we're influenced by that. And then there's a second
version of the present, which is the propaganda that we're
being kind of bombarded were on a regular basis, and
that influences how we experience right now. So there's two

(37:16):
versions of the present, and then there are three versions
of the future. There is the version of a kind
of a deterministic future over which we have no control.
That is kind of it's been laid out, you know,
kind of grin and bear it. No, I don't believe
that for a moment. So there are two other versions
of the future. One is the probable future, the likely
outcome if we continue to do what we're doing right
now as individuals or as a global community. And then

(37:38):
there's the possible future what could transpire if we change
what we're doing right now. So I mix these seven
pieces together and that's the jumble of you know, how
we try to deal with the illusion of time, but
it's all illusory because everything is the eternal now it's
like another example I use is if I, you know,
download a book from Amazon that's a war and pece

(37:59):
six pages of the book, and I can download it
like ten seconds, but it's going to take me a
month to read it. But everything that I'm going to
read is already contained in the book. Now, I have
a friend of mine actually who loves to read detective stories,
but she loveways read the last chapter first, she wants
to know who done it, and then she'll go back
and she'll read the book. So she does Monty kind

(38:20):
of the anxiety of trying to figure out who's done it. Now,
the truth is, we know who done it. You know
it's all there already. The question is do you want
to skip to the last chapter or do you want
to enjoy the process of reading the book. Do you
want to kind of enjoy incarnation and the alleged separation
from source which is an illusion, you know, but enjoy
the parent separation, or do you want to just hang

(38:41):
out with God and never have any adventures. So we
are the way in which God experiences. That's the entire
purpose of incarnation, because if you take, for instances, the
Christian version of trinity or the Hindu version like father,
son and spirit. You know our statuet Thernanda. You know
that's a closed system. So if God is all that exists,
God cannot generate experiences. There's nothing to experience. And so

(39:04):
God kind of self fractures into ten Hebrew will call nets,
would seem bite sized pieces of herself. We call these souls.
And so God fractures. So we got these holographic fractals.
And a hologram is an entity that contains the totality
of itself in every one of us component parts, and
a fractal is a pattern that repeats at an infant

(39:26):
number of scales. And so we got all these scaled
holograms all over, which are ways in which God experiences
outside of herself. So we're like bees in a hive
that the queen sets out together pollen and honey and stories,
and we come back in the evening and we don't
just store the pollen and the honey. We tell stories
to each other. And so we're the way in which
God experiences. And that's why incarnation is important, with the

(39:48):
apparent separation from source, which is only apparent.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
There's a couple times I've said this on the show,
and I've gotten comments against it, and I want to
hear your point of view. This My take is that
we are God. We are parts of God. We are
fractals of God experiencing the universe, just like you said.
But because of programming in Dogma, it's beyond the capability

(40:15):
of some people to think that we are divine creatures.
I said, we are not crap. Do you think we
just there's crappy people and there's good people. We are
all made of the same stuff, experiencing different storylines. As
essentially correct, we are different actors playing in different movies,
and sometimes they interact. Sometimes you're the bad guy, sometimes

(40:38):
you're the good guy, and so on and so forth.
and now back to the show. But people cannot get
past A lot of people cannot get past this idea
because of the programming that they've gotten.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Throughout their life.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
What would you say to someone who tells you that
it's impossible we are not God. We are of God,
but we are not God. There is only one almighty God,
and we are How dare you even insinuate that we
are part or anywhere near God? And then if you
start getting into the different religions, their God is not

(41:22):
the guy with the white beard at the top. You
know the thing that Da Vinci or Leonardo Leonardo Vinci bainted,
the guy with the long beard and the sky pointed
to touch it. He's not that guy. It's either Jesus
or Mohammad or or you know, Moses or Abraham or
there's so many other godlike people. What would you say

(41:43):
to people who having a struggle with this part of
our conversation?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Right, So, there's a statement that came up with years
and years and years ago that I repead constantly to
my community. And because like this, I said, the life
is a dream that the ego is having, and the
ego is the dream that the soul is having, and
the soul is a dream that spirit is having, and
spirit is a dream that God is having. So everything

(42:09):
that exists is simply God and drag. There is nothing
except God. So would God's self fractures? So we're divine
at our core. In fact, the last prayer I say
every night just said I'm going to sleep. I say,
I am love residing in the sacred heart of my
heavenly Father. I am late residing in the sacred heart

(42:30):
of Mother Mary. I am Logos residing in the sacred
heart of Jesus. I am life residing in the sacred
heart of the Holy Spirit. And I am laughter residing
in the sacred hearts of those who are awake. So
for me, there is only God. Everything has suggest an
articulation of source.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Absolutely beautiful, Very well, put, my friend.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Now, you did say something a minute ago where that
you were bringing us down to where we are in
the spacesuit, and we have this little laptop in our brains.
I always joke that we just don't have the hardware
to process a lot of these ideas and concepts that
we're talking about. Like, you know, there's no past, there's
no future. You know, God has always been, has never
There is no beginning or end to him or him

(43:11):
or it, you know what I'm saying. But I want
to just dig in a little bit deeper to that,
because most people live in their laptop.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Most people live right here.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yes, Well, when you quiet the mind and you meditate
and you start to disconnect from the laptop, you start
to transcend the laptop. You leave the laptop and then
open yourself up to that cosmic knowing that the near
death experiencers speaks so much about where they know everything

(43:44):
all at once and it's an instant download, and they
have a complete comprehension of what quantum physics is. They
have a complete number all of this stuff. But we
can't process that hard dra It just it's impossible. It's
essentially trying to put in a multiplayer game all line
that takes servers and servers, trying to put it back
in nineteen eighty four floppy disk. It just yes, well

(44:06):
doesn't work. So what can you dive dig in a
little bit deeper to that idea?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So for me, it is very important that we regularly,
whatever method we employ, that we try to access altered
states of consciousness because this raciuscination, this idea that we
can rationally explain the world. So I see that fundamentalist
religion has shut itself in the head and fundamentalist science
has shut itself in the heart, and so we're faced

(44:33):
with a God shaped hole in the human psyche because
one is kind of a literalist interpretation of mystical reality
and the other is the belief system. There is no
mystery outside of material science. So I think it's really
really important that people have practices that allow them to
alter their states of consciousness, and they're going to mention
a few to you. One of them, obviously, is meditation.

(44:54):
I think spending time in nature, just watching what nature does,
how nature solves its problems. She's been doing this. You know,
nature has created life and planet Eart three point seven
billion years ago. There's no problem that nature faces that
it can't to overcome. So watching how nature days with
these issues, I'll spend time. Literally, I spent four hours
one day watching a California poppy. Have you seen the California.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Puppies feels in California?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah? Right, So when they're when they're coming first there's
a little corn it's like a little cone shaped hat,
green hat on it, and then they begin to blossom.
As they begin to expand, the hat goes higher and
higher and higher, and finally it pops off and then
the petals open. And I literally spent one four hours
one day watching a scene in California puppy shed its cap,

(45:40):
and I think I probably learned more, you know, about
not a state of consciousness in that four hours than
I didn't. You know, I've been meditating since there was
eighteen just watching that happen. So spending time in nature.
The other thing I would say is spending time around
little children, particularly under age four or five, because they
have just recently come through the and what we claim,

(46:01):
you know there are they are imaginary friends. They're only
imaginary to us because we can't visualize them, but to
the child are absolutely real. They're at that higher level
of consciousness, and so they're interacting with beings, you know,
which are most closer to Source than our we So
there are practices that we can engage in that will
shift our state of consciousness. For some people, it's art
form for some people, it's dance for some people, it's music.

(46:23):
For other people, it's spending time in nature. For some people,
spending time with little children. So whatever. For some people
it's plan medicine, the hyahuasca or whatever. And so in
some senses, whatever allows you to alter your state of
consciousness with the correct kind of agenda, that you're not
just kind of going to entertain yourself, but that you're

(46:43):
really seeking higher wisdom than any practice that allows you
to alter your state of consciousness. You know that that's
really important, and that only from a higher perspective, can
we see the significance of stuff at the ground level. So,
for instance, there's there's a creek that runs through my
property up here, is called Pina Creek, and I spent

(47:04):
thirty when I had my dog. My dog died a
few years ago, but she and I would track for
hours and hours and hours, and I had many astral
encounters down at the creek. And so I got down
there in December of twenty twelve, and there's the guy
sitting on the banks of the creek. I've never seen
anybody in there and all the time I've lived up
here thirty years now, and he's sitting with his legs
dining in the water, and he's chewing a piece of

(47:26):
grass like an old farmer from Oklahoma, you know. And
I knew we see him in the astrolam. So I
sit down beside him and I pluck a piece of grass.
I'm chewing a piece of grass myself, And in my
mind I asked the question, I wonder if he's going
to tell me a story. And he turned to me
and he's spoke a loud he obviously read my mind,
and he says, yeah, I will. Here's the story, and

(47:47):
he told me a story about being an originator of life.
He said, I've been all over the galaxy planting life
on many, many different kinds of planets. And he said,
we plant them a lot of them, We weave them,
we genetically modify them, and I can tell exactly how
life is going to progress until we give them free will,

(48:09):
and then all bets are off. At that stage, I
can't predict anymore. I was going to go down up
to that, I can predict it. And he said, and
I tell you where you're at right now in your planet.
You're at a trifurcation point. Not just a biprocation, but
a trifurcation point. He said, Homo sapiens sapiens as as
a stage where there's going to be a trifurcation into
three groups. The first group is called homos sociopathicus, and

(48:32):
these are the tyrannical class, you know, the elite or
the oligarchy about word they want to give to them,
who are grabbing the world's resources, whereas a political agenda
or economic, gender or religious agenda, and that's he called
them Homo sociopathecus. The second group are being created by
them and he called it homa artificialis, and he's talking
about transhumanism, creating technology which can kind of program and

(48:55):
hack human beings as the second group and the third
group be called homospiritualis, and he said, your job is
to wake up and to refuse to become homo artificialis,
and to kind of confront home sociopathicus. And so these
are the kind of encounters when you alter your state
of consciousness and you begin to visit into astral realms
or higher realms that now you have access to our

(49:18):
information and data and avatars and kind of teachers and
healers that you're not going to read about in the
book and you're not going to see them on television.
So having some kind of personal practices that allow you
to volitionally alter your state of consciousness on a regular
basis that becomes really important. And that's my definition of imagination.
Imagination is very different from fantasy. Fantasy is the ability

(49:41):
to make up stuff that's not real. Imagination is the
ability to intentionally alter my state of consciousness, enter into
different dimensions, visit with energies and entities that we say there,
learn from them, and bring that learning back and cross
fertilized with earth knowledge.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So the thing is that it sounds that with these beings,
and I've heard this so many different ways, is that
beings ascended, masters, guides, angels, all sorts of different beings
that are are and I use the word above us
different frequency. They're at a different vibe of frequency than
we are. They can't come down to this heavy frequency.

(50:22):
We need to come up. They'll meet us halfway, but
they're not going to be walking around the streets of
New York tomorrow, generally speaking, unless they've incarnated. Is that?
And when you are elevating your consciousness through meditation, through
plat medicine, through everything you said, you are raising your vibration,
raising your frequency to a place where you can interact

(50:44):
with them. Absolutely, And when we sleep our dreams, we
do that so many times.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Is that right.

Speaker 1 (50:53):

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Totally. So, for instance, last Sunday was Easter Sunday. So
I'm preaching about the resurrection of Jesus, and I got
a theological theory about it, I got a scientific theory,
I got metaphors for it, and I got stories about it.
So for me, why was it that the dicipers Jesus
often didn't recognize him after his resurrection? Mary of Magdala
thought he was the gardener. The two guys on the
road to a mass thought he was a stranger, And

(51:23):
so why was it that sometimes they didn't recognize him?
And the reason is that resurrection the verb that's used
in the Greek New Testament about Jesus appearing, The verb
is not you know that, you know, anybody looking in
the same direction is going to see him if he appears,
but rather he chose to make himself visible tour. So
there's part of Jesus coming down a level. So suppose

(51:44):
you decided to come to come to Palo Alto and
I hear you in Palo Alto and they said, Alex,
I'd love to get on to Meta. And you're staying
in a hotel in Palotta and you're on the fifth floor,
and I drived off from Pittsburg and I have to
got three levels underground to get parking, and we're going
to meet in the lobby. You're gonna have toun four
levels to meet me, and I'm gonna have to go
three levels to meet you. And now we can have

(52:04):
a meet together in the lobby. So that's what happens.
That these beings, they have to lower their vibrations so
that they're they're kind of discernible at a lower level,
but only to those who raise their consciousness up to
that equivalent. So there's some place in the in the middle.
So as you're right walking on the streets of Nok,
you're not going to see kind of avatars walking around.

(52:25):
You're saying hi dear. So we have to learn how
to refocus through all the states of consciousness, and then
these beings can reduce the vibration and come down to
where we now are asked, and then we can have
real mystical encounters with them.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Now, going back to the Druid tradition, which I'm fascinated by,
in the Yogic tradition, in the in the Vedic, in
the Yuruk tradition, when there are masters who reach a
certain level of consciousness, they get certain mystical powers, levitation,
manifestation by a location, multiple things that they can do.

(53:02):
Is there anything like that in the Druid tradition When
the druids or a Druid master if you will, gets
to a certain level of consciousness. Is there anything like
that that happens to them throughout mythology or history?

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Yeah, there is absolutely. And so the interesting thing is,
and you know this as well as I that in
the Hindu tradition they're called cities, you know, without the
great teachers say don't be kind of don't be attracted.
I don't be attract by the cities. They're just kind
of artifacts on the journey. And so they're not necessarily
kind of measures of enlightenment. So you be really careful

(53:38):
that that's not the objective of the exercise, just to
kind of somehow faster these gifts. So they may come,
you know, on the road, and if they do, if
you can learn to use them for the benefit of
others grades, but there can be an extraordinary distraction. So
with that kind of caveat, then there obviously are techniques,
and there are states of consciousness in which we have
accessed to much greater kinds of powers. So I remember,

(54:00):
for instance, there was a great novella written in sometime
in the eighteen sixties called flat Land. Do you ever
come across it?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I've heard of that Flatland. Yes, it's a great, great book. Yeah,
everything's flat, and then like yeah, everyone's yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
So there are beings who will live on a plane
like a sheet of paper, and you're there are only
two dimensional objects, so there could be like a square
or a triangle or a circle, but they don't believe
there's a third dimensional. Reality is not possible. And then
one day a sphere from a three dimensional comes down
and tries to make contact with the square, you know,
on the two dimensional and he's trying to persuade the

(54:35):
square that the third dimension exists and square as impossible.
If you existed, i'd be able to see you. You know,
I can't be true. So the sphere system, I tell
you what I'll do. I'll come down and I'll penetrate
the plane on which you live, and initially you'll see
just a little dot, and then the dot will become
a circle, and it'll get bigger and bigger and bigger
until I reach my meridian, and then it gets smaller

(54:56):
and smaller and smaller, and then it'll disappear. Got me
see that? And so that's exactly what it does. The
spear comes down, penetrates the plane. Suddenly a dot appears
that the squaker can see and now becomes a circle
that he can see, and they certainly getting bigger and bigger,
and then some stages start getting smaller and disappears, and
the crossing is whoa, that is amazing. Is there any

(55:16):
chance you could take me to the third dimension. So
they arrange it and he elevates the guide to the
third dimension. Now at that stage, the second dimensional guy
back in here. The second dimensional guy said, wow, I
wonder if there's a fourth dimension, and the third dimension
guy said, to be ridiculous, there's only three dimensions. So

(55:38):
we're crapped wherever we're at. Now, I use that example.
Actually yesterday with the Resurrection of Jesus, there's a story
where Jesus comes into the upper room and the doors
are locked. The disciples are inside, and there they are
feared that they're afraid they're going to get hack captains well,
so the doors are locked and he just comes in. Now,
imagine Jesus is in the fourth dimension. Or let's say
let's lose the flat land. There's the square on a

(56:00):
two dimensional surface, and the sphere is going to come
down if the sphere intersects with the plane. Right in
the middle of the square, there's a dot in the
middle of the square, and then that expands and suddenly
he gets to the edge of the square and it
cross past the age and the square is taking How
did you do that? How did you penetrate my walls?
Nothing can penetrate my walls and these He's coming from

(56:22):
a totally different dimension. Now, if Jesus in a resurrected
sense is at a far higher level, then there's three
D reality. It's like childs later. You can do anything
he wants with this. So now you get the city.
So they go back to the original question, then do
you find that you know in Celtic law, And the
answer is yes, that these druids, who are trained in
all kinds of arts, mystical kinds of arts, will exhibit

(56:46):
abilities like shape shifting, for instance, on a regular basis.
You know our levitation stuff like that, healing practices. So
they'll practice those. But the idea is not to get
sidelined by that, but the accept those as part of
the kind of the armament for the journey, but that
the journey is more important than the kind of the
weaponry I'm taking with me.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
It's so fascinating that the more I talk to people
the more I have people on the show, the more
these ideas, these core ideas, just keep coming up and
get reinforced that the truth is the truth is the truth,
no matter what. And it's not just one way of
looking at it. There's multiple people, multiple types of traditions,
all going to.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
The same point.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
We're all trying to elevate, whether it's through mystical Judaism,
mystical the what is the ones for Islam, the the
mystics of the Islam, I forgot them, but the mystics
of Islam, Sufis, thank you, the Sufis, the Sufisms, and
the mystics of Christianity and and do Yogis, and we're

(57:49):
all going to the same place. It's all just different
flavors of the same ice cream.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Absolutely, it's all the.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Different flavors of the same ice cream. It's absolutely absolutely
baffles me sometimes.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
And God, I heard a great story when talking about
Thomas Merton and and the Dalai Lamam meeting accidentally at
an airport. They are going different place and they recognize
each other in the airport and none of them speak
to the other guy's language, so they just come up
in their hug and they start laughing, and they not
just cracking up. There's not a word exchange between the
two of them, but they get it sold to soul.

(58:25):
You know, we're on the same journey. It's just two
different pastiveists at the top of the same mountain. So
when mystics meets, there's total unanimity. When theologians meet, there's cacophony,
you know, and religious wars.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right. This is in the
This question is about there, it's in the United Kingdom.
I'm not sure if it's Ireland specifically. I know this
is more our theory and legend. But Merlin, yes, Merlin
had aspects of and Drewid as well. Right a wrong?

(59:01):
So can you tell me a little because Merlin is
one of those figures that everyone thinks it's an absolute
Oh it's beautiful story, But there's a lot of there's
a lot of historical information that there was a Merlin
and he was magical. What would have been magic back then?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Exactly? Yeah, So, I mean it's interesting when you think
about the noise of magic or miracle. If somebody were
to say to me, do you believe in miracles? I
have to say, what do you mean by a miracle,
if you mean that God temporarily sets aside the loss
of the cosmos in order to indulge the prayers of
holy people. I don't believe in miracles. But if by
a miracles you understand that the cosmos is much more

(59:40):
complex so we understand it, and that there are beings
and avatars who understand the deepest levels of cosmic law
and can work with these cosmic laws, then I do
believe in miracles, that they're cable of doing stuff that
for the rest of us look like ridiculously miraculous, But
they're not miraculeus in that sense, because that's how the
cosmos is set up. It's interesting in the Greek spell

(01:00:02):
the word cosmos two different ways. When they speller with
the C, they mean the physical universe, of which we're apart.
When they speller with the K it means the metaphysical universe,
of which the physical universe is simply a print out
or a hard copy. And so the great mystics understand
the laws of the cosmos with the K, and since
they understand them, they can utilize them, you know. So

(01:00:23):
it's going to look miraculous to us. But it's not miraculous.
It's how the cosmos is set up. It's like if
I bring a television sets and show it to a
bushman in the Kalahari, you know, and there's moving figures
talking to each other, he think it's magic. He thinks
it's to America. If I give the same television set
to Toddler in the United States of America, it's just
his babysitter. He's well used to it. It's not a miracle.

(01:00:44):
So we have to understand what's miraculess. It's only miraculous
according to the mindset and the kind of the invitations
of the perceiver, not to the actuality in itself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yeah, Maryland as well. And there's actually a great story
in Christian mythology that you heard of the character called
Joseph Aramathea. Joseph was the guy who went to Pilots
and asked how the body of Jesus taken offrom across.
There's a theory that Joseph of Armathea was actually an
uncle of Jesus, and that he was a tinsmith, a
very wealthy man, and that he traveled all over the world,

(01:01:27):
you know, to Tin Mainz and there are very famous
Tin wives in Cornwall, which is southwestern England, which is
a Celtic speaking area famous for its druidry, and that
he would take the boy Jesus on these journeys with him,
so that Jesus would have met the Druids and the
Marylands of Cornwall. Also, you know Joseph Armataeus going east,

(01:01:48):
you know, and Jesus meeting Buddhists and Hindus and to Egypt,
the mystery schools of Egypt. So he's been educated in
many different mystical traditions. But he would have come across
the Marylin of his time and dreidical figure with the
same kinds of powers that the great mystics display because
they understand the cosmos with the k They're not confined
to the cosmos with the sea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
You just mentioned the mystery schools of Egypt. I'd love
to hear your point of view of the mystery because
that's something I've heard about multiple times. I heard that Jesus.
I mean, I've had multiple episodes of scholars who talked
about Jesus in India Jesus in Tibet. I think it
was Jesus in Tibet, in India and in Egypt that
they studied. That that was that time period that was missing,

(01:02:33):
right exactly, the stuff that really wouldn't really work with
the story that they were talking about in the Bible.
It would throw a whole lot of things out of whack.
Can you talk a little bit about what was in
the mystery schools of Egypt. We've already established that the
Atlantias brought that information over there, but from your research
and experience, what were the mystery schools of Egypt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
So when I look at, for instance, I look at
the world globe, and I look at the great civilizedzations,
both in the kind of the the Orient and the
kind of the Occidental, you know of Meso and South America.
And I look at Asia, you know, the great cultures
that came from Asia, India and China, and they look
at kind of North Africa. I look at the Egypt
and places like that, and the levant Israel, Syria, Babylon, Persia,

(01:03:20):
places like that. It feels to me like that survivors
from Atlantis, you know, spread all over the world, and
we're trying to raise the consciousness of people who have
been totally traumatized that whatever population kind of was left
were absolutely traumatized and reduced to kind of stone age.
Because you, for instance, if there were to be a
nuclear event God forbid in our times, the only survivors

(01:03:43):
would be the denizens of the Amazon. People don't know
how to live, you know, and I know just the
forest in which they live. But technology would begune as
we understand that the buildings would be gone, Transport would
be gone, you know, television would be gone, our communications
would be gone, and so they had to be revised
again by if there were to be some kind of
a remnant that survived it. Now, if Atlantis was a

(01:04:04):
very advanced society, and when I think of kind of
the Atlantis, I'm not thinking about technology necessarily, about kind
of mechanical technology as much as in mental technology, the
ability of the mind to manifest stuff that that's more
important to me than pure just technology. And so if
they a remnant had survived, and now they're visiting the

(01:04:25):
kind of the remnants trying to find out are their
kind of survivor populations anywhere and worrefill they encounter them,
they begin to try to build from the ground up.
And therefore they're going to look at as Jesus did
in his life. When Jesus talking to a group of people,
he's identifying immediately who's kind of interpreting this what I'm
saying literally, who's getting it symbolically, who's getting it esoterically,

(01:04:50):
and who's getting it mystically. And he realizes there's four
different kinds of audience listening to him, and each group
is going to take away totally different message. Only those
who are really mystical will understand the core meaning. So
now you get these kind of the survivors from Atlantis,
very very high civilization spiritually and mentally as well, that
may be technologically, and they're dealing now with people who've

(01:05:12):
been reduced to kind of cave man living. I know
they're going to teach maybe agriculture and toolmaking, whatever, but
they're going to spot the kind of those among them
who are ready for a higher kind of a learning.
I know you have the idea of esoteric knowledge or
mystery schools. They're going to call it aside. A few
a few of them say, Okay, we're going to do
a weekend seminar here, I'm going to elevate your consciousness.

(01:05:34):
So I think the mystery schools that you find all
over the levant, particularly and in Egypt or the survivors
of Atlantis identifying subpopulations that were ready for another level
of evolution and that they were you know, inculcating into that.
But they're being very very careful because in the past,
as we saw with Atlantis, ultimately it last it led

(01:05:55):
to the demise of Atlantis, that they used even mental
technology to destroy the entire kind of experiment. So to
be very careful to make sure that the kind of
the new technology is walking hand in hand with a
sense of morality and ethics, and that you're not going
to put and their weapon it to the hands of
a terrorist. And so I think for me, that's what

(01:06:17):
the mystery schools of the Middle East and North Africa represented.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Yes, I want to unpack something you said that it
was so beautiful that they identified in the mystery schools
around the world, not just in Egypt, but different kind
of that kind of lineage in meso America and other
areas of the world, that there were a portion of
the of the audience or of the populace that was

(01:06:42):
ready to raise their consciousness, but the majority were not.
I've been saying this from the top of the mountain.
We are now in the greatest shift of consciousness in
the history of humanity as we know it, as we
know it. Even more so, let's say you believe in
Lomeria and it is we are actually shifting at a

(01:07:02):
different level than they were. They might have been more
advanced in certain aspects of it, but obviously the ego
was really involved with that. Because of their demise, we
as a society now are shifting in consciousness in a
large way where this conversation is going to be seen
by hundreds of thousands of people, possibly millions of people,

(01:07:25):
and people are searching for it. People are wanting to
hear these conversations. You've been doing this long enough to
know how things have changed from when you came back
from Africa in eighty eight. This conversation would have not happened,
not publicly, at least maybe at a bar, or maybe
at a coffee shop, or maybe when we were in
Vegas in that other lifetime, we might have had this

(01:07:47):
conversation in between poker games and drinks. But but I'd
love to hear your point of view of where you
see humanity right now and where we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Yeah, hugely important question, alex. And so you know, we're
stuck in the West with this notion of time being
a linear progression from the past to the present of
the future. Kind of Indigenous societies didn't believe in that.
They believe in the kind of a circlar that there
are great epochs all the way from kind of you know,
a moon twenty nine days as we followed the moon
cycles to a year of three hundred and sixty five

(01:08:23):
point two three days in the Mayan calendar, to kind
of twenty six point five thousand years, you know, with
the kind of the equinox the procession of the equinoxes
took kind of the cycle of our solar system around
the kind of in the Milky Way galaxy, so that
there are kind of cycles within cycles within cycles, but
they an't tend to be either parabolic or circular. I

(01:08:45):
believe rather in what I call a spiral, that we're
not even just going around in circles, because we're going
on the circles, we're just taking ourselves into a rout
and making the same mistakes again. So I believe we're
going in a spiral that each time we meet the
same kind of city tuation, we're dealing with more and
more adridly. But at some stage, even a spiral can
go asymptotic. So you know, if you took a graph

(01:09:07):
and it's climbing gradually and then all of a sudden,
because they were a very very steep plane, and finally
there is an infinite change in zero time, then it's
gone asymptotic. I think a spiral can go asymptotic as well.
And I think we're at a stage of the spiral
of human history that's going asymptotic, and we're lucky enough
to be part of the birthing process. And that's what

(01:09:29):
compassion really means when you look at the teaching of
Jesus when he says you must be compassionate as you're
having a father's compassionate the work. The word he's using
in he's speaking Aramaic is the word rak remim, and
rahramim is the plural for the word for a womb.
So he said you must be womb like. In other words,
you must conceive and carry and give birth again and

(01:09:49):
again and again. And we're not finished giving birth until
we give birth to God. That is the entire objective
of a project a planet Earth. It is to get
birth to God. So at various stages, you know, I
first identify with my ego at age eight months, and
then I identify with my name Sean, and then I
identify with my family, and then I identify with that

(01:10:12):
you know, my tribe, and then identify with my profession
or whatever. These are all minor misidentifications. We have to
keep disidentifying with lesser versions of the self. But we
finally realize that we are God in human garb, and
that our objective is to give birth to God on
planet Earth. That our mission is no less than to
give birth to God on planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I've been talking a lot about these avatars, these masters
who have walked to Jesus as the Buddhas of the world.
and now back to the show. And I've sat there
and contemplated sometimes the absolute love that these beings have

(01:10:59):
had for hum hmanity to come down in barbaric times
and to I mean, the teachings of Jesus, the teachings
of Buddha were so radical, they're radical today. People today
are still having problems wrapping their head around what they
said and the information that they were trying to give us.

(01:11:24):
But I can only imagine in you know, two thousand
years ago, Jesus talking about you know you are the
Kingdom of God is within you, you know, which is
essentially you are God, essentially everything I can do, you
can do and more. These ideas are so hard to
wrap our head around.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Can you imagine with the basic programming of the day,
the lack of information, the lack of consciousness at that time. Here,
at least, you know, we have some base of information
after two thousand years, but they didn't even have it
in Buddha even before that, absolute barbaric times. For them
to come down and sacrifice themselves in a way that

(01:12:06):
they know they're gonna get, They're gonna get rockstron them,
They're gonna get this is not going to be a
fun ride. And yet they did it out of love
for humanity. In all the avatars and all the ascended
masters do this, it's pretty remarkable. I'd love to hear
what you think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I totally agree with you. That's the essence of love.
Alex it is the kind of the total disidentification, and
All says it very beautifully in his Letters of the
Philippians where he says, you'll have that mindset in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus, although he was God,
he did not cling to his divinity, but he emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave and being found in

(01:12:42):
human form. He humbles himself even to accepting death, death
on the cross. What you're saying, I mean, how much
love can you have where you announce your own divinity
in order to kind of temporarily identify with the deepest, darkest,
densest part And there's this beautil passy. I'm not a
big believer in the Creedle formulations of the Catholic Church,
but there's one line in the Apostles creed that comes

(01:13:04):
from the fourth century where it says after he died
and was put in the tomb, he descended into hell.
It's like Christ has so much love that he descended
into the deepest, darkest dungeons you know of life forms
in order to bring light to people who were were
without hope of any kind. And that in some senses,
that's what the avatars all do by coming to planet Earth.

(01:13:26):
But it's also what you did and what I did
and what everybody else is doing, that we who were
bite sized pieces of God, had so much love for
the divine that we wanted to experience union by temporarily
experienced separation. Because unless unless you experience darkness, you don't
have a full appreciation of light. Unless you have experienced
being away from home, you don't fully appreciate home. Unless

(01:13:49):
you're separated, apparently from God, you don't appreciate who God is.
And that these beings had the extraordinary love that they
could utterly kind of inhabit space which was so dense
and so dark that they could even be gaslighted. And
this was the kind of This for me, was the
great temptation of Jesus in Good Semane that on the

(01:14:09):
night before he died, Satan comes from one final try
and says, yeah, you're fingers lighted, buddy. There is no Father,
there is no good. You've wasted your time, you know,
get out of dodge when you're still left time. You're
going to be corpse this time tomorrow. It's all made
up as it's a crap load. There is no God,
there is no mission. You made it up. You were hallucinating,
and that's why Jesus sweated blood. For one horrible moment,

(01:14:31):
you're thinking, oh my God, Almighty, did I just make
this up? Did I dedicate my life to something which
is a myth? And then still he's able to say, no,
I'm going to cleave. I remember why he came. I'm
going to stick with the program.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
And in that story, the story of the devil is
an analogy. It is a myth of like there wasn't
a literal devil showed up, a little Satan showed up.
And please, you're more scholarly I'm imagining than I am
in the in the Christian Catholic text. Is it true
that there is no hell in the Old Testament? I

(01:15:06):
haven't read the Bible quite some time. That the concept
of help was brought into the New Testament and really
reinforced when Dante wrote that little series of books, because
that's the idea, the idea of hell that we have
in popular culture.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Is Dante right, So it center's a great question. Part
of the problem was that when you look at the
history of the evolution of the Hebrew scriptures, so they
only began to be written down about five point fifty BCE,
and so although they're talking about times with predated that
they're only actually writing their texts about five fifty BC.
And they're in exile in Babylon, and there's only two

(01:15:42):
tribes left, Judah and Benjamin. The ten northern tribes have
been destroyed in seven twenty two BC by the Assyrian Empire,
so there's two tribes left. And at this stage Zoroastrianism
is very strong in Persia, and the Persian Empire overcame
the Babylonians in five thirty nine BC and set the
last two tries to free to go back to the
land of Israel. But while they're in the in Babylon,

(01:16:04):
they come under the influence of Zoroastrianism, and zoro Astrianism
is really really big into it. They've reduced the panting
of the Vinage down to two two gods, the god
of light and darkness Uhura Mazda and Arriman, and the
Jews are picking that up and when they come back,
they fuse the two into a single divinity. And so
at this stage, now Judaism has no belief in life

(01:16:25):
after death. At that stage, that no belief in life
after death, and so you have to come right down
to about the time of the Maccibees, which is about
one eighty seven pc before there's emotion of life after death.
So the idea of hell wouldn't make any sense if
there is no after life, we just disappear, and once
we die, we disappear. So from one eighty seven onwards
then they think, okay, what does happen, you know, when

(01:16:46):
we die? And so in in the the books of Maccabees,
which aren't included in the in the Parsian scriptures, but
they aren't the Catholic scriptures, there are offerings given for
the dead, and so the belief system was that those
who are destined for an after life, you know, rose somehow,
and those who were bad dissolved, They disappeared. They have

(01:17:08):
a non existence. So it's not like there's a heaven
and a hell and one group get the thumbs down
and the other kit that comes up. There's no thumbs down.
They're just disintegration. You don't exist anymore. So the idea
of an athlet comes really lated into Judaism and as
primarily either a heaven or nothing else. But at the
time of Jesus. Then there was an area outside Jerusalem

(01:17:28):
which was like garbage pile where they burned all the
garbage from the city, and it was called Gehenna. And
so there's a constant fire going on there. And so
Jesus will use that metaphorically as those people you know,
who were burning with kind of their own self importance
and their kind of their selfishness, and they're non committal
to Compassion's saying they're going to burn in Gehenna. But

(01:17:50):
he's talking about not about a place with Turner torment.
He's talking about what happens when you're in the grip
of the flames of addiction or narcissism of various kinds.
But that will be trying than by the Catholic Church
as an actual locale, a locale, you know, and that
if you don't do what the Catholic Church does you
have to do, you're gonna get the thumbs down and
you're gonna spend eternity in hell. So for me, Hell

(01:18:11):
does not exist. Hell is a is a sociological phenomenon
that we create intrapsychically or socially among ourselves by the
way in which we behave. But it is not an
art life condition, and heaven is not a kind of
a place where you get there. I know you, I
made it, I know you get seat. You're in seat
C one thirty seven. Here's your harp, and here's your

(01:18:32):
your hymnshet. Heaven is an infinite gradation of as sending frequencies,
as you would grow more and more in love. You're
a different experience in the afterlife. So it's not like
just a one size fits all.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
And isn't is it a true though? The characters to
talk about hell uh and and if you don't do well,
but is there a pope at a certain point, go
now there is a hell. But for a price, we
can get you in. We know, we know the door guy.
It's a p We could put a good word in
for you and you could walk in, just pay us.

(01:19:04):
There was a there was like a fifty one hundred
year period that the buying your way into So that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Was the fifteen hundred that was the time of that's
what said Luther, you know in fifteen seventeen. But in
the end of the cases where you could buy indulgences,
you know, if you pay to Ken, they were upgrading
Saint Peter's at the time, so you could bring people
out of pogetry or save them from hend So yeah,
you keep the rules and you pay up, and then
we get you into heavens. Like the modern decade of preachers.
You know, you can have anything. Send me a dollars,

(01:19:35):
you can.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Have you can have a limitsy. But God needs I
need a leer jet to I need a leerojet to please.
Everybody send me money and they say it with such
confidence it's fascinating. So I was, I assume that you've
been to a Vatican city, You've been to Saint Peter's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
My faith isn't My faith isn't strong enough to survive Roome.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Oh my, So I've actually been to a place I've
been to I've okay, well, Rome itself a city isn't wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
But I've been to Vatican City.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
And when I went to Vatican City, I went to
Saint Peter's and I walked in and it's I mean,
it's a stunning place. It really, I mean, you you can't.
You can't deny the awe of what they built. It's
it's it's just inspiring. It truly is on an engineering standpoint,
on an artistic standpoint, Michelangelo's over here, and it's just amazing.

(01:20:28):
And then I got to go down to the archives
or the catacombs, to the catacombs where the popes are buried.
They had it open. It's happened to walk in and
I'm walking around and I'm seeing, Oh, there's Pope Luthor,
there's another pope from the thirteen hundreds, and they're all
just you know, and they're kind there and they're they're
just lying there, chilling. And then I turn a corner

(01:20:50):
and I wasn't allowed to take pictures. They said, please,
no pictures or video while you're down there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
So I respected that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I turned a corner and I see this room that
is ornate in a way that nothing else down there is.
Everything else there is very stone, and you know, it's
a catacoat, but this place had artwork, it had a
glass door, it's all of this and I'm like looking,
I'm like, what who's in there? And it was Saint Peter.

(01:21:17):
and now back to the show. Wow, it's Peter's it's
Peter's remains. Wow. So and I was like, holy, holy crap, seriously,
I couldn't believe in the It was just such a

(01:21:38):
fascinating idea because in the culture that we live in
of celebrity, he's a pretty big celebrity. That's the scope
of Christianity is Saint Peter. But as I was walking
out throughout the entire time I was there, I just
kept saying, and I just kept saying to my wife,
I kept saying it to myself. I go, this has

(01:22:00):
nothing to do with Jesus. This has absolutely nothing to
do with a son of a carpenter walking around trying
to elevate and awaken the people he spoke to. This
is so not what he had in mind. You know,

(01:22:23):
I know you and I both love Yogananda and his
my favorite quote of one of my favorites of his
is Jesus was crucified on one day, but his teachings
were crucified for the next two thousand years. And it's
it's so so true. What do you I want to
ask you what your perspective is on this, because again,
since you've been at this longer than I have, you've
seen how things have changed. I remember when I went

(01:22:46):
to Catholic school, it was still Catholic school. It was
still you know, the Roman Catholic Church, the nuns, there
was power, there was there was no there's no h
you know, issues with the priests.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Back then, there was done that stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
It hadn't come out yet, but it seems that people
are running away from organized religion in general and opening
themselves up to the ideas that you figured out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Early on in your path.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Where do you think this is all heading for organized
religion in general? Not just the Catholic Church. We pick
on it because that's we have the rights to. But
generally speaking, all of organized religions, fear based religions who
are more dargmatic, and people are just running from.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
What do you think this is all going to go?

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I think not just religion, but I think the entire
world situation is moving into an euro of decentralization. I
think it's true in our economic models, our educational systems,
our medical models, our political systems, our religious systems that
you know, these mega organizations. You know, what I've seen
again and again and again is that there's about between

(01:24:02):
one and two percent of the population are born as
psychopaths litterly. But when you look at the upper echelons
of politics, the finance, that the churches, the military organization,
their psychopathology is gravely overrepresented there that some of these
people manage to get to themselves to the top of
these organizations. So what I've seen again and again and

(01:24:23):
again with all organizations that start off, you know, with
some kind of a mystical or compassionate impulse, it goes
through the following cycle. The first thing is that you
get some kind of a really an avatar figure, a
really compassionate figure with a mystical impulse, mystical division, and
he's a very charismatic individual. So a group of kind
of disciples are followers gathered on from stage two, a

(01:24:45):
group of followers. Stage three is this guy is almost
inevitably he's assassinated or killed or cross almost inevitably. Stage
four is the disciples now created community in his memory.
Stage four. Stage five is now this community organize itself
in from an organization. Stage five is some little group
gets to the top of the organization, often self appointed hierarchy.

(01:25:07):
Stage seven is now they insist on orthodoxy. You have
to believe this if you've got to be a member
of our group. Stage seven is if you don't believe
what we tell you we're gonna give subject due to
the Inquisition. We're gonna literally tell you pull you limb apart.
The next stage is, if we have enough power, we're
not going to leave Cruisades against the outsettlers who don't
believe we're gonna convert them, We're going to kill them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Yeah, in Jesus's name, in Jesus' name, Amen, Jesus name.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Absolutely. And then some new prophet says that, guys, this
is not the Master said. So you get Francis Vasisi
coming in the twelve hundreds and saying, guys, this is
now what the Master was about. And he founds a
new organization with a new vision called the Franciscans. What
happens within two hundred years, the Franciscans are in charge
of the Inquisition. They're putting people in from limb. Yeah,

(01:25:55):
so you get the same cycle again. I see the
same thing in politics economic models. So I see that
the future of spirituality is in a kind of small communities,
you know, kind of like networking with aajer, like synapsies
on the global brain. And that the same thing is
true for economic models, or medical systems, or educational models
or entertainment models, there's going to be much more power

(01:26:17):
at the local level and then interfacing with other groups
and learning from each other. I think that's that's what
the shake cup is going to lead to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
And the Internet has a big part of that, Yes, connectivity.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Yeah, and there was tied out the shout out with
the newer sphere, the kind of the mind mind sheath.
But we need to break through the mind shield le
and to the animal sphere, which is the soul sphere,
and then the numisphere, the spirit sphere, and finally to
kind of God consciousness itself. So we're only halfway there
in this journey back to Source.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
And I always I talk about this movie a lot
on the show because I think it's just such a
wonderful representation of a lot of the ideas and core
concepts we're talking about. Which is the Matrix, which is
I'm assuming you've seen the Matrix and the Matris, yes, uh.
And Neo, who is basically justus, who is also if

(01:27:10):
you it's also the one literally his name is the
one just miss all these ideas. How he's able to
evolve throughout the course of the movie to the point
where he becomes a master and is able then to
manipulate the dimension that he's in, both not only the
dimension that the matrix, which is a false dimension, but

(01:27:31):
also the real He eventually gets the point where he
can do it in the real life, the real world
as well. So he becomes all all powerful throughout his
own beliefs of being able to raise his own consciousness
to a certain level. And so I think that's one
of those movies that changed humanity.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I think after it came.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Out, it just the ideas that dropped. It seated the
population in a way that is rippled to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, it's been a long time since I
saw it, but I totally agree with you. And I mean,
you have an appreciation of movies that I don't. I
never made that connection between Neil and one. Thanks for that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Well, I mean, and I'll argue, and I'll argue the
most spiritual movie of all time? What do you think
the most spiritual movie, in my opinion of all time is?
And we'll finish it on this. And it came out,
It came out in the nineties. It came out in
the nineties, and it's a comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Let me think about that. You know, I see a
movie about every three years. Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Okay, so you might not be the one to ask
this question to, but I'll tell you. Did you ever
see a movie called Groundhog's Day with Bill?

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
I groundhogs Day is the most spiritual film ever made
in my opinion. You know why because it is it
is a representation of the soul's evolution and reincarnation. And
so he starts off. He starts off like what will
I have if I have all power? I'll eat a lot,

(01:29:02):
I'll have sex, I'll do this, But then eventually gets bored.
He's like, well, there's only so much you know, so
many you know people I can sleep with, and so
much food I can eat, and so much money I
can spend. Then he starts to try, maybe I should
help some people, Maybe I should educate myself to the
point where he finally gets to the end, evolved to
this almost mystical godlike creature that he is, until he

(01:29:28):
finally able to break free of the of the reincycled
the reincarnation cycle, and he finally breaks free to then
live the rest of his life off normally again. But
he has built out all of this stuff, so it's
just both. It's so much in that movie Parallel lives, multiverse, reincarnation,

(01:29:49):
the soul's evolution. What do you I just love to
hear your thoughts on that. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
I love that interpretation, says immediately as you were saying,
it brought me back to the Hindu notion of you know,
the different kinds of levels of reincarnation that we start off,
you know, and we're addicted to sensual pleasure, and Hindus says,
there's nothing wrong with that, you know, if you can
enjoy good sex or good wine or good food or whatever.
But at some stage, after maybe one hundred incarnations, you

(01:30:15):
think there must be something more to life than just
good food. And then you say, okay, power, privilege and prestige.
I need there can be a powerful individual of control
of people or whatever. And they said, and there's not
really that if you can exercise power, you know, with compassion.
But at some stage you realize there must be something
more to life than just the sensory pleasure and power.

(01:30:36):
And then the third series of incarnations have to do
with a service that you're compassionately reaching out to others.
But then hindusm says but even that one is an illusion.
Behase is predicated on the notion of separation. I can't
be of service to you, and as I think that
you're other than I, and so the realization of Moksha,
that there is only one, So that's the final series

(01:30:57):
of incarnations, then the realization of Moxa. So that's what
I hear you saying in the in the Bill Murray movie.
That's beautiful. Yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Sean.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Sean, I literally can talk to you for another seven days,
eight days, nine days, ten days. This is it's been
such a wonderful pleasure talking to you. I mean literally,
I can't wait to our next conversation. But since you're
a fan of the show and you've watched the show
a bunch, you know that I'm gonna ask you a
few questions I ask all my guests. Yes, so my
first question is what is your definition of living a

(01:31:39):
fulfilled life?

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Living a full for me is a kind of lovingly
and fearlessly aligning with the mission which I volunteered a
Sean in this incarnation. So being fully in alignment with
the purpose which I incarnated. Nice, I just send me here.
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Now, if you had a chance to go back into
time and speak to little Sean, what advice would you
give him?

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
I would say to him that there are going to
be lots of disappointments and some tragedies in your life,
and you'll find out that there are being the greatest blessings.
You know, harvest them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
How do you define God or source?

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
Right? So I am a panentheist in the sense that
pantheism is the belief that God is the sum total
all that exists. I don't believe that's true. I believe
in panenttheism, which says God is the sum total all
that exists, and a lot more besides. So it's like
conflating Shakespeare with his collected works. So there's a lot
more to Shakespeare than his collected works, and so panan

(01:32:41):
theism says, yeah, there's his collective works, but that's not
the totality of Shakespeare. There's a lot more. He was
a father, or he was a brother, or he was
a husband, or you know what, a garden or whatever
else he was besides. And so for me it's more panentheistic.
And so I came up with a phrase a few
years ago that when I say that God is the
the meta caused make womb in which embryonic christ consciousness

(01:33:03):
is marinated in the amniotic fluid of pure love.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Beautifully said sir.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
And then what is love?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Love for me is the is the source of all
that is. So I talk about the five l's. There's love,
there's light, there's logus, there's a light, there's life, and
there's laughter. So I think love is the origin of
light and logus. So light is the all all matters,
literally frozen light. So love gives birth to light, which

(01:33:33):
is matter, and it gives birth to logus. And logus
is the morphological agent that which gives shape to matter.
And so if you think of a potter with a
lump of clay, the clay is from light. There's light
filled and the potter is the morphological agent that creates
a bowl or a cup out of that. So love
creates these twins that dance with each other. And then

(01:33:54):
this dance between light, you know, and logus, life emerges.
And the objective of life is to learn how to
it literally is to laugh at the illusion under which
we live and to wake up and realize, you know,
that this was an illusion. I bought into it, you know,
and I don't realize that there is only guy. I'm
playing a role that God is saying to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
The ultimate purpose of life than I would say is,
I would say, is to set God free from our projections.
So God can set us free from our illusions.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
So my website is Spirits and Spacesuits dot com. And so, yeah,
you can find any books I've written, or you know,
Sunday mass or harmonies that I've given up whatever, They're
all on Spirits and space rouoits dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Yeah, and do you have any parting messages for the audience?

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Sean, I would say, listen to this guy. Listen to Alex.
You're an extraordinary You're an extraordinary conduit, Alex for great
ideas to be disseminated huge populations. You're a channel of love,
of light and of logs as far as I'm concerned,
and has been a privilege to have been able to

(01:35:07):
spend some time with you, and I wish you know, Yeah,
the best of luck in you're going to reach a
much much bigger audience because you have much bigger message
than you realize even yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
My friend, thank you so much for those kind words,
and thank you for the amazing work you're doing to
awaken the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
So I appreciate you, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Now must day, I like thank Father Sean for coming
on the show and sharing his knowledge with all of us.
If you want to get links to anything we spoke
about in this episode, head over to the show notes
at Next levelsoul dot com forward slash four three nine. Now.
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(01:36:12):
there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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