BONUS MONDAYS: HUMANITY 2.0: Prepare YOURSELF for the NEXT EVOLUTION of MANKIND NOW! with Richard Rudd

Life, in its magnificent tapestry, often presents us with rare gems of wisdom that illuminate our path and deepen our understanding of existence. On today's episode, we welcome Richard Rudd, a profound thinker and spiritual teacher, renowned for his pioneering work on the Gene Keys—a transformative system designed to unlock the higher purpose hidden in our DNA.Richard Rudd shared his extraordinary journey, which began with a spiritual awakening in his late twenties.

One morning, he awoke not just from sleep but into an entirely different state of consciousness, where time and space intertwined in a dance of fractal patterns. "When you're in that state of timelessness, you realize how everything is connected to everything else," he explains, capturing the essence of his revelation. This experience, lasting three days and three nights without sleep or food, laid the foundation for what would eventually become the Gene Keys.The Gene Keys, as Rudd describes, are a set of 64 archetypal energies encoded in our DNA, each representing a unique aspect of our potential. These keys help us navigate through the shadow aspects of our personality, transform them into gifts, and ultimately reach a state of transcendence known as the Siddhi. This system is not merely intellectual; it is an experiential journey that invites us to embrace our inner wisdom through contemplation and self-reflection.

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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the
guests and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we have author
Richard Rudd, and Richard has seen the future of humanity

(01:45):
and our society. He talks about something called the gene
Keys and analyzing these keys and going deeper into it
is the key to our future evolution. This episode is
going to blow your mind. Let's dive in. I like
to welcome to the show, Richard Rud. How are you doing? Richard?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hey, good Alex. Nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's such a pleasure having you on the show. My friend.
You your work is kind of rippling across the world,
and your story and how you got to the ideas
in the Gene Kinges Jene keys, excuse me, are pretty remarkable.
So from what I understand, you had kind of like
a download or spiritual awakening that brought this into the world.

(02:32):
Can you kind of talk to us a little bit
about that.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't like to use the word download.
Everyone seems to use that. Everyone's downloading nowadays. You know. Yeah,
I had an experience, kind of rare experience, I think
when I back in my late twenties. That was in
nineteen ninety six, and I woke up one morning in

(02:57):
my bed and I woke up into another state of consciousness.
So I went from sleep into awakened consciousness, and so
it felt very natural, but I also was completely different.
And so I stayed in that for three days and
three nights, and it was in those days that in

(03:19):
those days and nights I didn't sleep at all. That
I kind of it's not like I knew what was
happening to me. And it's not like I received the
genis or a set of teachings or anything like that. Nothing.
None of that came to way later years later. But
I did have a big revelation about truth and the

(03:43):
nature of reality and you know, my destiny, I guess,
and what I am, who I am, those kind of
things that there were some personal things, but there was
also a sense of remembering and coming home and and
it was all very even though it was my mind
was just hugely expanded. I was also very present and

(04:09):
very in my body. And you know, I didn't eat
anything either. I couldn't eat, and I couldn't sleep. I
didn't I mean, I didn't want to sleep because it
was so captivating. And yeah, so that was that was
how it started.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, let me ask you, rich just so when you
said that you have that your awakened consciousness, that's a
fairly broad term.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So for all of us who in the audience who
have not.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Been spiritually awakened and it's been in spiritual consciousness like
you have, what actually.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was going on? Were you seeing visions?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Was it just a feeling of you just walking around
kind of in this blissful high for three days? What
was it? Exactly?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
One way to describe it is I was through light.
I was filled with light. I was lit up from within,
I was illuminated from inside my being and that light
kind of just kept streaming through me into and it
didn't stop. It just went on forever infinitely. And the

(05:11):
other thing I experienced was zero resistance anywhere in my body,
So no fear, no doubt, nothing, that all of that
normal human background unease was just gone evaporated. And so
I was in a state of complete freedom. I guess
I didn't. It felt very natural, but I didn't really

(05:33):
kind of question it at the time. I guess it
was just okay, this is My mind was also kind
of there on different levels, but the very human mind
was sort of there inquiring and going, well, this is interesting,
Well you can find stuff out.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
So did you did you start asking questions?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Did were you?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Did you have a guide or did anyone like show
up and go, hey, Richard, this is the time come
with me. Nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
No, there was no guides because there was no there
was no sort of there was. There wasn't that sense
of separation between me and another being. Although I did
have a kind of I did have visionary states within
the other states, you know, and so I so I
kind of because I was curious with my mind to

(06:21):
know things. I trained my mind, I said. When I
said I trained it, I kind of sent it into
different directions asking thing. It wasn't like consciously asking questions.
It was like, I wonder what death is like, you know,
things like that, and then it and then I would
just explore the memory of dying and the kind of

(06:41):
understanding of the process of dying and it just always there,
and and lots of things. I asked, you know, I
was kind of nosy.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
As you should be, sir, as you should be.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Like well, what about me? You know, who's this? What's
this thing? And what's my feure? And I was like,
can I see in the future? And I yeah, it
was quite a thing.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
So did you know.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
There's a couple There's a bunch of questions I want
to ask you. One is how during since that time,
you were what in your late twenties when that happened. Yeah, yeah,
so we obviously the smartest point in your entire life,
the most evolved point of your entire life. You've only
been downhill from there, obviously, because that happens to all
twenty year olds, well at least that's what all twenty
year olds think.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
At the time, I was full of angst, is the reason.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's the word exactly. So since that moment, have you.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Figured out why this happened to you? Because this is
a special I mean, everyone's capable of doing what you did.
That I understand, but you were just kind of like
you weren't looking for it. You just literally woke up
into it, which is a pretty remarkable thing.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I have. I think I'm kind of aware of
some of the reasons behind that now because I've had
a long time to contemplate it and sort of integrate it.
And that wasn't easy in the beginning at all. You know,
for years I was really confused and lost and and

(08:13):
kind of you know, at one point I thought I
was the Messiah, and another point I just thought it
I just went into denial. And and you know when
I said point, like, some of those phases lasted several
weeks or you know, and so I had to make
sense of it. But yeah, by now I have kind
of made more sense of it. And I came across
the teaching in from the Tibetans where they call it temor,

(08:36):
which means treasure, and these are like revelations that are
kind of almost it's almost like their idea of they're
hidden in the past to be discovered in the future
and and and what happens is they're revealed in the
minds of certain lamas or initiates and they and they

(08:58):
just spontaneously come alive, like have been waiting. And it
was a bit like that experience for me. It's like
there was this transmission, this wisdom transmission that was waiting
for me, and then and then it came alive and
inside me, and then I had to figure out what
am I supposed to do with it?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And that's the thing is that when you're in your
late twenties, this happens to you. You're don't eat, don't
sleep for three days. You come out of this. Now
you get slammed back into the real world, and now
all those other things start happening. How did you process
this event? I mean, this is some I mean, look,
I've had a couple of visions here and there just
what I meditate, and it took me a minute to

(09:37):
process things that I've seen in my meditations or experienced
or felt aspects of what you're talking about. But this
is a completely different level at the and with no training,
no one there guiding you, nothing, How did you process this?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Man?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It just took time. Actually, I think being ordinary really helped,
you know. And I was married and so I had
a had a child, and that that helped because it
grounded me, even though it was very confusing. But in
those early days, I didn't have a I didn't have
a structure or a form. There was things I was

(10:14):
interested in. I was I got interested in, like the
human design system and the eaching and all those things
that most people have explored who are watching this.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
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Speaker 3 (10:36):
And they kind of formed loose frameworks for me some
of those things and helped me to kind of create
a sort of sense of landing. There was one point
where I turned in. I went into a sort of
mad professor mode, I remember, and I literally I was
downloading and I kind of started receiving all kinds of
things that became gene kis later at teaching, and I

(10:59):
had them up on my wall in my room, and
I was just scribbling and writing and things, and it
looked like kind of a mad scientist sort of inside
of his brain because I was just seeing things and
making connections. And that was quite a phase, yeah, but
I made sense of it slowly.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Now you mentioned something and before I because we're going
to go deep into the gene kings gene I can't
say that word gene keys. I want to say gene
keene gene keys. Before we go deep into the gen keys.
You mentioned something about the structure of how we're made up,
I'm assuming going into the DNA and understanding that, is

(11:43):
that what you're talking about?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Partly, yes, I mean I had that experience of the DNA.
You know, I didn't know anything about DNA really much,
but I had the experience of going into our DNA
being like a wormhole, you know, in it, so that
so we were made up of wormholes, you know, And
that every and that reality is made up of wormholes,
and at any point you can fall into one and

(12:07):
come out in another dimension and there, you know, we
are a kind of living repository of wisdom and it
and it's just a matter of how do we The
structure of DNA was like is really interesting to me
because it's sort of the last line before the sub
atomic world where you can't kind of it's hard, you know,

(12:28):
that's where things start to kind of reality starts to
dissolve and become less reliable. So DNA is quite it's
a it's a it's a fixed but malleable kind of
quite plastic open system that it's it's a it's our
software really so it so it we can program it

(12:49):
and reprogram it. And that's why it became really interesting
to me. And that's why I kind of name the
genekis after genes and genetics and genius. And it's not
because I'm an expert in that realm in any way
at all, but because I learned that that's a part
of us. Because my DNA was literally exuding light, you know,

(13:13):
photons were coming out of it, and I was like, wow,
it's actually in us, this light. It's actually in the
matter of the spiral of our helix, you know, where
this light is wound up inside us. And then when
it gets released as an illumination or as a revelation,
or as an insight or a mystical vision or you know,

(13:35):
just a burst of love, really it's because it's actually
kind of we're enveloped in it. Yeah, that was quite
a thing to realize that we're made of light.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well yeah, I mean from I mean, I've spoken to
someone in your death experiencers who've talked about beings of
light constantly. Yeah, which I wanted to pick it back
a few hundred thousand years. Can't on this on this
topic because and I just want to hear your thoughts
on this. You know, every great civil every great civilization,

(14:08):
every great culture, if you go far enough back. There
is a origin story of humanity, which usually is a
sky gods like you know, beings, those kind of things,
the anaki in Sumeria times. Do you have any insight
to any of that during your work? If you've seen
anything or heard not heard? Have you heard anything on

(14:29):
the streets now, have you had any any kind of
downloads or anything, because if you go so deep into
our genetics these ideas, I'm just curious if you had
any cross pollination that way?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Did you know I don't talk about it very often
because I don't want to. I guess I don't want
to go to woo woo.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, well this listen, this show, this show. I
always I agree with you. I generally don't like to
go woo woo. But with something like the ononaki and
then that's historical, it's on it's on stone tablets, and
it's everywhere, so it's it's not it's not tinfoil hardie time.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
So that's well, it's one of the It's one of
the kind of understandings that I think Robert Grant and
I kind of had together where we would talk we
were kind of searching into the sort of source codes
of what became Egyptian mythology, but actually was earlier. Was
was you know something else, And so I did at

(15:29):
some point I had of I had a commemory for
myself of the birth of my soul and on the
on this planet, and what I experienced and was that
I'd had a different kind of DNA that enabled you know,
in another reality, that had enabled me to in that reality,

(15:50):
to transcend a physical the physical reality, right, and and
that what had happened is I dropped a part of
the DNA, so he one of the helixes, you know,
one of the strands. I dropped the third strand in
order to come into this binary reality. And I'm not
the only you know that's and it was a metaphor

(16:12):
as well as like, wow, that's what happens to higher
consciousness when it wants to form into a human form,
it has to drop that third aspect, which which is
the transcendent aspect, and then it makes a sacrifice and
comes down into this double helix in order to kind

(16:33):
of become part of a dualistic reality, which is what
we live in, you know. And so I think that
was that was a really profound thing. And because there
was a lot of ancient teachings connected to that for me,
and it was a sort of memory, physical memory that
I had as my soul kind of came down here.

(16:57):
So I think that's why, you know, when I had
my other experience, I kind of had the memory of, well,
that's what it's like to have the third strand operating,
you know, because then because if you have three, you
have this, you have this, this essence of transcendence. And
and in my teaching through the Ginkys and everything, I
understand it's the entire universe is made up of trinities

(17:21):
that are consistently embedded in each other in a fractal way,
and they and they do pan out into other numbers
and shapes and forms, but everything has this triplicate nature,
and a lot of those ancient religions and things have
are all founded on that same truth actually, of the
trinary consciousness.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
So do you think that these these masters, these these
living masters, walking masters, ascended masters, avatars who had walked
the earth at one point were able to re engage
that third helix to the point where they've become enlightened
the Buddha, Jesus, these kind of Yogi's enlightened Yogi's I

(18:04):
just love to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I think there's some there's some truth in that. I think,
I think there's a sort of residue of that third helix,
that the you know, that third strand. I wonder sometimes
whether when that, you know, whether that's going to re
evolve for us. I suspect it is in order that

(18:27):
we can rethread our connection to the divine actually in
the physical form. This was something that Sri or Robindo
spoke a lot about, you know, that we would eventually
transcend through the physical form, you know, so we we'd
actually we approach, you know, reapproach our divinity, but by

(18:49):
climbing through the you know, not beyond it, but kind
of in deeper into matter. So that's why Genekey's is
sort of based on this prophecy that that's a that's
a that's a coming that's coming for us, a mutation
in our DNA, you know, because DNA mutates. That's the
wonderful thing about it. It mutates. It changes over eons,

(19:11):
and sometimes it changes really quickly. In fact, most of
the times in our history when when species have changed,
it changes we change fast. Usually because of some event
or cataclysm or something.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So what So we've been talking about the gen key's
a lot. What is the what are the genks?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well, there they are a way of kind of tracking
and mapping the codes of consciousness you know that we
live in and and they're so there are fundament there
are kind of fundamental set of patterns based on the
number sixty four, which is coincidentally, if you believe in
that stuff, the the number of codons we have in

(19:52):
our DNA that we're made up of. And it's also
you know, the heart of many natural c systems. You
know that we see around us, you know this sixty
fourfold matrix. And it's even the reason that we can
talk together right now because of sixty four bit matrix
hidden in these in these screens that we're working out of.

(20:14):
So it enables us to consistently travel through the through
the cosmos. So it's a code. And the Chinese really
tracked those codes well in their early evolution, like five
six thousand years ago, in the form of eaching, and
so I did some very deep contemplations of that eaching.
I used human design as well, which also picked up

(20:37):
a lot of that some of those threads, ancient threads,
and wove them into a new tapestry.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
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Speaker 3 (20:53):
And eventually that became the genkis a system of tracking
where you know who you are, what your purpose is
using you know, some of I borrowed some of the
some of the beautiful things of Human Design because I'd
studied with its founder Rahru who and and I kind

(21:15):
of started to reshape my own kind of understandings that
was rooted in my experience, my spiritual experience. So I
rethreaded a synthesis and that's what the gen kys is.
It allows us to understand our own nature better and
understand beginning with our shadows. Really, so it's a map
of our shadow patterns and how we can transform them

(21:39):
into gifts and eventually into transcendent states. So it's a
kind of it's a it's a cosmic code of consciousness,
and you work with it over a long period of time.
It's you know, it's something to contemplate deeply.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I mean, that's a tough I mean, that's thinking about
what you just said is so profound, and I'm just
trying to think of like man when he decided to
put this out into the world. The marketing campaign's rough
on this, Yeah, it is, actually it is extremely It
is a long pitch. I mean, the elevator pitch is

(22:19):
a good two three hours. I mean really, and you
put this out there, were you kind of told in
your in your contemplations, like this needs to be birthed
into the world.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
No, I never really sort of had that feeling of
that quite like that, but it was an impulse in
me of it started to grow, I started to see
the patterns, it started to form its own system. And
then I was the first student, you know, really, so
I had to apply it to myself. And I needed
it as well, because I was like this kind of

(22:53):
slightly screwed up guy. He'd had a big expiritual experience
and was trying to make sense of reality. And and
I had all the same problems as anyone else, probably
more and and and so I thought, well, I'm gonna
I'm gonna use this to kind of make myself feel better,
so like you understand my relationships and learn, you know,

(23:14):
to heal some of the traumas that I collected from
my childhood. And and also kind of heal my relationship
to money or you know, because we all have these
these patterns, these shadow patterns in us, things in our
health and things that plague us. And and so it
became like a really good tool for me to kind

(23:37):
of find peace in my life again. Because it might
sound like, you know, it's great to have a hit
of peace, but then you're back to normal, and that
is that's even.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Worse because you now know what now you know what
piece is like exactly is it better to love in law,
to lose lost, or never to love at all? It's
very very it's very similar, right, It's exactly it. So
it's like at least you if you have yeah, if
many of us who have not had massive spiritual experiences

(24:11):
just live along our life. But when you have had
that kind of that kind of experience, you know that exists,
and it's difficult to process the real world after that
walking walking through it. Now you're talking about the shadow
patterns and healing traumas.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
What is I mean, what did what does this system do?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Like, did you, like, let's say I have a trauma
from a childhood, whatever that might be, with money, with relationships,
whatever that might be. How what is an example of
what the gen keys could do.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, well, there's a lot of ways to approach the
gen Ky's because of the synthesis. It's got a lot
of different windows to come in through and they're very different.
Some of them the most popular one is through the
gen Ky's profile. So we created a profiler and over
the over the last sort of twenty years, and that's
based on your time, date, place, and birth. So it

(25:05):
has some astrological components, but it's it's very different from astrology.
And because it gives you a profiles, anyone listening to this,
they can go and go to Jink's dot com now
and get your free profile and look at it and
you'll get a sense of Okay, this is a journey here,
because what you have is you have these these stages

(25:25):
or spheres that represent different aspects of your life, like
your life purpose, you know, and you're kind of what
you're here to do, and you know, you're kind of
some of the things some of the aspects of your
your you know, relationships early relationships that kind of are
embedded in you, your soul's quality, all those things, and

(25:48):
there's a gene key for each one of these, so
that of the sixty four keys, you get different aspects
according to the time place you were born. So you
can look and see, well, I have GINK twenty nine here,
you know, because there's sixty four and they all have
different meanings. And GK twenty nine it's shadow. It has
three levels. They all have three levels of shadow gift.

(26:09):
And the city a city isn't like a transcendent aspect.
So GK twenty nine is the shadow of half heartedness, right,
And it's like, so there's a part of if you
have that key somewhere specific, there's a part of you
that when you don't commit to something fully and you
won't because it's there, it just falls apart all the time.

(26:34):
So maybe relationships, like you have a real issue with commitment,
you know, so you get or maybe with your job
and you can't stay with it because you're you're doing
something that you that doesn't really turn you on. And
so that shadow is a part of you that's too
afraid to probably do the thing that you really want
to do until you realize. So half heartedness then becomes

(26:55):
a great lesson. It's great, and every gen ky is
a lesson for all of us. Actually, so anytime you're
doing something in your life in a half hearted fashion
is destined to fail, simple as that. So if you're
in a relationship that you're not really you're kind of
there because you're just like, you know, killing time, it's

(27:16):
not going to be fulfilling and it's just not going
to fulfill you. It's going to fall apart at some point,
so why be there? And then the gift is commitment, right,
So in half heartedness is the gift of commitment, so
it teaches you about commitment. And then the city is devotion.
So those are the three levels. So devotion is when
you've you know, you've you've gone through the journey of

(27:40):
commitment and you've come out the other side into this
place where your heart is fully opened and it's suddenly,
you know, the whole notion of doing anything in a
committed way is that's all you know, you know, So
half heartedness is a thing of the past. So that's
an example of how someone might apply a gene key

(28:01):
to aspects of their life. And it's a contemplative journey,
so it's not a kind of therap therapy, but it's
therapeutic and you kind of you learn it yourself. So
these are journeys, you know. I've created a series of
journeys that people can go on with their profiles, contemplating
their keys, so that it's like it's what you're doing

(28:24):
is you're beginning to unpick the reasons why things are
the way they are in your life. So it's quite
much around.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
You know, it sounds it sounds amazing, It sounds extremely profound.
My question to you is what is the I hate
to use the word science, but what is the energy
behind these these knowings? Because like the itching or the
horoscopes or astrology, there is something connected. So if it's

(28:53):
looking at astrology, it's the placements of the of the
planets and the stars have a certain amount of energy
and paul and certain time periods in the cycle of everything.
What is that kind of thing for this because it
just sounds so profound, Like I would ask you, like,
what is it for the iching? Like iching is also
something extremely profound, What is the kind of where is

(29:14):
that base come from?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Well, it's more it's like going back to the experience
I had, Like and when you're in that state of timelessness,
you realize how everything is connected to everything else, and
you realize that not only is space kind of geometric
and fractal and repeat and holographic, So in other words,

(29:37):
there are patterns everywhere within patterns within patterns within patterns,
and that's all you see from that higher state of consciousness.
All you see is the perfection of the pattern. But
then it doesn't just bleed into space, it also bleeds
into time, right, And that's kind of a hard one
for the human brain, especially the scientific brain, because when
time starts to break down and you start to see

(29:59):
fractal patterns in time, you get to see, wow, there's
there are cycles where things happen for reasons that we
don't understand until later, but they're connected to something that
happened before, which is connected with something that's going to
happen later. And there's a perfect timing to everything you know,

(30:20):
and everything is connected everything else in this fractal kind
of time space continuum. So when you look at a
specific moment in time, you're looking at a very specific pattern,
universal pattern, and if you know how to read that pattern,
you're getting a glimpse into what's behind the matrix. You know,

(30:43):
we'll be right.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Back after a word from our sponsor. And now back
to the show.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
The working the underpinning of consciousness of reality, which is
what astrologers you you know, we're trained to do in
the old, old old days, and still some of them
can do it. But it's it's different, you know, using
the chain is different because you're looking at the fundamental
pattern of sixty four, So you're really looking into the

(31:14):
fractal nature of reality and it's crystalline kind of makeup.
And if you know how to read it, which is
quite simple, actually, you can kind of extrapolate all kinds
of truths. You could actually read the future, you know,
if you if you really wanted to.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
In the future based on the current path of the
trajectory of the current path, which could be adjusted based
on human choice or humanity's choice.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, to an extent. I mean, there's there's a level
of you know, that's a big question, but there's a
level of at the highest level of consciousness, there's a
level of choicelessness, there's a level of predestination. But when
we come down into these forms we get we are
given this sounds really hard, we're given the illusion of

(32:03):
choice and it is act from the highest level. It's
illusion because it's when you're at that highest level, there's
there's no one to choose, there's that you don't exist,
there's just the pattern unfolding in its perfection. Right, But
that would be boring unless you unless you could, unless.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You forgot no.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
You have to come down and forget no.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And I understand what you're saying, and for you know,
and if if I may throw my translation in or
how I see what you just said, because because it
could people listening like I have choice? What is he
talking about? Like, no, wait a minute, the game that
we're all in, the simulation that we're all in, there
are rules to these this game. Okay, So the rules

(32:47):
of this game is you have free choice, and you too,
truly have a choice to do whatever you want down here,
and also to a level extent, as you go higher
into the other realms after you pass, there's also choice
of I want to go back down. I don't want
to go back down. But the higher you go, the
less that even makes sense anymore, because you just are

(33:09):
you just you just be the moment that you're in,
so it doesn't make So it's the equival of me
making Mario go left in Super Mario Brothers instead of right.
It's an illusion. I'm controlling it, but it's a kind
of illusion of choice.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It's true decisions, decisions happen, you know. It's like, do
you know what I mean, It's like they aren't actually made, No,
it's they happen. They are a causal in that sense
at the highest level. It's really hard for humans to

(33:48):
fathom that. And there's a lot of science now kind
of going towards this, which is really interesting, you know.
And you're right, it is a simulation and that's sixty
fourfold matrix is kind of like the motherboard of the simulation.
So that's why if you know how to to understand

(34:08):
the simulation, and it's actually not hard, and that's why
I kind of create these programs so people can figure
it out for themselves, because it's our intuition that helps
us understand, you know, our reality and understand these shadows
and how to transform them, you know, because that's what
it's all about. Really, Unless because all the philosophy is great,

(34:31):
but unless we can actually, unless I can help someone
transform their patterns, their shadow so that they have a
nicer simulation, I'm not really interested.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Absolutely no, absolutely I think we both do.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
That's why we do what we do exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
So, when when you were in your spiritual hi we'll
call it, when you're in your lead to it is
that that little hit of list that you got for
those three days.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I'm fascinated.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm fascinated with the idea of our hardware. Our brain
is very limited. It's it's it's not even two bit.
It's not even eight bit. You know, we're talking about
sixty four bits. It's like not even eight bit.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
We're not.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's pong.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's pong, and and the Universes is basically where Halo is. Now,
let's just say that difference. It's probably much bigger, but
that difference when you were in your spiritual awakening, it
seems to me that you left the eight bit or
less two bit world, and we're able to connect to

(35:40):
the sixty four bit world because you kind of were
not using this hardware. You were using another mainframe or
patch directly into the Internet, where the hardware is not
really relevant as much.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Because you can hook up to the Internet with a.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Slow processor or a fast processor, but the informations there
and how you download it, it's really up to bandwidth
does that any of that what I just said makes sense.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I love it. It's really great. I mean in
Jinky's as I said, like we have you know, because
people are interested, they can get the Jinki's book. It's
a big, huge book. Took me seven years to write.
With all where I go through the sixty four the
sixty four archetypes, right, and there are sixty four city's right,
and that's a Sanskrit word cidy, right, and it means transcendent,

(36:29):
you know, reality, And they are embedded in our body, right,
So we have superpowers in here right and there you know,
and there are sixty four of them, right, And you'll
have certain ones that are just dormant. And you might
in your life if you are lucky, if you believe
in luck, you'll have you might have a flash of

(36:50):
one that just goes off, one of these one of
these little places inside your DNA just sparks and then
you have a sense of wow, the possible. It might be.
It might be a burst of universal cosmic love, you know,
unconditional love or something like that that just happens. It
might you know, that just brings you to tears. It
might be a complete silence where all thoughts cease spontaneously.

(37:16):
You know. There are lots of different layers to the cities,
to these but they're built into us, so they are
You're right, there is a way that we can access
the mainframe, and it is inside us, and it's part
of the it's the journey of the gene keys. It's
it's really for the future, the gen keys the knowledge
because it's to take us into the next stage of

(37:37):
our evolution where these dormant kind of superpowers can start
to come online and we start to inhabit that universal body,
that universal mind, you know, because there's a new, a
new kind of human coming and we need, you know,
and this this is going to require a mutation of
us inside us, in our DNA, in our species, species wide.

(38:01):
I mean, it sounds quite wild, but it has happened
in the past that we've mutated. You know, we were
we were Neanderthal, then it mutated, it became a chromagnon.
It We've mutated and animals mutate all the time. So
life is built DNNA is built to mutate and to
change and to evolve. So what my question with the

(38:23):
Genki's is what's the next human being look like? What's
the future human being look like? And that's that's definitely
written in my book. That's definitely written. You know, you're
invited to contemplate that. What are you? What does the
highest you look like? So when you look at your profile,
you'll see the shadow words, but you'll also see these

(38:43):
city words. You'll see these, You'll see words like ecstasy,
You'll see words like you know, rebirth, your sea, words
like harmony. That these are these are states of consciousness
that are embedded inside you as a living potential. What
would what would it be like to live only in harmony?

(39:06):
Everything in your life in harmony?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Obviously, Marvel has already told us what the next stage
of evolution is, and it's the X Men. Obviously, I'll
take Wolverine's powers.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I don't know what you would like, but.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
No, it was really fascinating Lucky one, you know, oh.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, okay, there's yeah, what's her name? Domino? Yeah, Domino,
She's always Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
That's for me, is the ultimate superpower.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I mean, you're absolutely right, dominoes.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
A Domino mixed with Wolverine would be fantastic. That if
we could do that, that would be fantastic.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
An interesting looking creature.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Someone who could completely regenerate really much not die and
has luck all the time, and if you happen to
mess with it, it has giant, unbreakable claws, just in
case something has to go down. Uh, you know when
you were saying that, sometimes if you're lucky, that little
spark you see a glimpse of that city, that power

(40:04):
that's inside of you. It brought me to a story
that Wayne Dyer said years years ago when he was alive.
He's like, he was meditating one day and all of
a sudden he started to levitate. And if you've studied
any of the Yogic in Invading traditions, that's something very
common with Yogi's he goes But the second he was levitating,

(40:24):
his brain's like, oh, this is cool. I could do
this in the tonight show. And the second he said that,
he fell back to the ground and never was able
to do it again. He disconnected completely with it. But
that was the first time. That was the only thing
came to my mind when you said that. I was like, oh,
that must have been a glimpse of his superpower.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Is just one of those things.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, it was one of the funny things as I
was sort of exploring this revelation that had come to me,
and I was realizing, oh, there's these sixty four CDs,
and that was the word I chose. We'll be right.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
And then I remember because Google, it's like way back right,
and the Internet was still quite young, but I googled
sixty four cities and I found that there is a
tradition in India of sixty four cities. And I was like, Wow,
isn't that cool. You know that they tracked this, you know,
for thousands and thousands of years. They knew that this

(41:26):
matrix was hidden inside us, you know, so the super
you know, those X men, all of that, that's kind
of in a way, preparing our minds for what's to
come in some way.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
So I have to, Okay, so now you just opened
up a whole can of worms, because now you're working
into my world of Earth story and movies and books
and things. Yeah, the idea of this this next evolution
of humanity, which goes along with what we talk about
on the show a lot, which is this great shift
and consciousness, the great shift of humanity, and you can

(41:58):
all kind of see that in the last one hundred
and fifty years, our consciousness has grown exponentially over the lot.
We've grew more in the last one hundred and fifty
years than we grew in the last three thousand or
five thousand, you know, really, so it's there's a ramping
up of this mutation in our consciousness, if you will.
But when you just said, like these movies, these ideas,

(42:20):
these stories are preparing us for what's coming, I would
one hundred and ten percent agree with you, because if
you start thinking about HG. Wells and you saw when
his before him, there was no idea the science fiction
world wasn't anything like it was, or Frankenstein with my
Riley and all these stories that prepared us for the

(42:44):
space age, that prepared us for the Industrial revolution. These ideas,
then movies like Star Wars. I mean here many astronauts
and astrophysicists were born because of Star Wars and Star Trek.
You know, I was talking to a NASA rocket scientist
the other day, as you do on the show, and
she was telling me how much her colleagues absolutely adore

(43:07):
Star Trek like it's it's rampant throughout all of the
quantum physicists and rocket scientists, they all have seen Star
Trek Star Trek. More so for the scientific side there
the more kind of mystic sci fi world, the more
mystic you go towards Star Wars because of the force,
because right, right, but with Star Trek was very scientific,

(43:29):
very grounded. But even then they were doing things that
make no sense, and yet it prepared us for what's coming.
So a lot of these stories in these movies, even
like what's going on with Marvel with the multiverse that
just showed up, parallel realities that just showed up, quantum
realm that just showed up. These are all Marvel ideas,

(43:51):
you know from their comic books. And now people understand
what the quantum realm is, they understand what parallel realities are,
they understand what the multi versus. That was really picky
side by stuff back.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
In the day.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Absolutely. I mean, I was watching this thing on Netflix
Sense eight. I don't know if you've seen that.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
That's like networked intelligence, right, and that's the next stage
of the future. Human is networked intelligence, you know, so
that so that we begin that's that's the next phase
at the quantum level, where these different fractal groupings come
together and discover a genius that is shared, you know,

(44:36):
at another level of consciousness, because because the ultimate one
is when we're all a networked intelligence, we're all one network,
which we are, but it's going to take us a
little while to get there. So it's going to begin
with smaller groupings and then it will expand. And that's
I described this in Jink fifty five, which is the
kind of big mutative gen Ki that came and contains

(44:57):
the prophecy at the heart of gen Ky's you know
which is bad this future human and yeah, so it's
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Now you know who wrote sense you know who the
creators of sense it is.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Right, Yeah, it's a woman, right, No, it's the it
was the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, THEO showskis are for everybody who doesn't know the creators.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Of the matrix.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So, which is also one of the most profound films
that have prepared us for the idea of simulation theory
that this is all a game. Before then, it was
deep in philosophical ideas or Vedic traditions, or even deep
in the quantum quantum physics world. But now everyone understands like,
oh yeah, and it wasn't it just just wasn't it

(45:45):
just a year or two ago that the Nobel Prize
went to some quantum physicists who proved that we are
in a simulation I think mathematically.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
There's a lot of it. Yeah, now, it's it's an
incredible thing. And the Buddhists has been saying it for years.
But the higher high Buddhist teachings, that's exactly what they teach.
Maya Maya, It's like Maya even Christ. You know, you said,
you know, my father's house has many mansions. I love
that quote, you know, which is like all these different
dimensions you know that exist.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
That's such a beautiful quote. It is such a beautiful quote.
And then and then jumping into parallel realities and how
we can there's quantum jumping now, I mean, we could
go down so many different roads, Richard. So, so where we
are right now, where do you see us going in
the next twenty years, fifty years, your lifetime, my lifetime?

(46:39):
You know, what do you see humanity doing? Because we're
moving at such a clip. I mean from the birth
of the Internet was a little over twenty five years ago. Really,
you know, with broadband, I mean the real like the
popular birth of the internet mid mid nineties, so mid
to early nineties. So it's been twenty five thirty years

(47:00):
and look how I mean, we've got AI. Now where
do you see this going in the next fifty years
for this mutation in ourselves?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Well I may not see exactly the same as everyone else,
but I you know, I I kind of saw this
back in my heightened state of consciousness. I kind of
wanted to know why this time? Why now? Why need
seeing this? And it was framed in the context of

(47:29):
this time. And you know, sometimes when you look at
the future, you kind of you assume it's going to
be based on the patterns of the past. That's a
natural thing to do. So you kind of look at us,
you go AI and then we're going to get to
Mars and then we're going to do there, you know,
and you kind of That's how the mind thinks in
a linear form. But during times of mutation, you know,

(47:53):
linear linearity breaks down. It has to so there has
to be in order for a quantum to occur, like
a new mutation in human DNA, it requires a huge shock. Actually,
it requires a massive. It requires very very difficult conditions
in order, you know, and a lot of heat and

(48:14):
a lot of you know, usually some kind of trauma
in order for that to kind of that shift to occur.
It's like birth, right, Birth is not an easy thing, yeh.
And I'm a man, so I have no idea, but
you know, I can kind of I've I delivered my
own child, you know, and so I kind of I
have a sense.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Of your front row seats, sir, you have front row Seatah, exactly,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
But so birth is not easy, and so I what
I envisage happening is a kind of not that we're
going to go off on this nice trajectory, you know,
but that actually what's happening now to the planet is
with all the systems beginning to break down and collapse,
and you know, and the ecosystems also, you know, beginning

(49:03):
to give way, that we're going to kind of hit
a crisis and as a species, and it's not going
to be nice and comfortable, but we'll move through it
and we will come out the other side, and we'll
come out the other side completely different and many and

(49:23):
you know, don't I don't, I don't know what it
looks like. But I imagine we'll bring some of our
technology with us, but I think a lot of it,
a lot of it is going to be slightly back
to kind of simplicity, you know, because when things start
to really sort of fall apart, because we've built a

(49:44):
world that is not sustainable and our practices are not sustainable,
and despite our best efforts of kind of heroic people,
it's still the mass consciousness doesn't have enough intellig gents. Actually,
I would say to kind of make a check, make

(50:06):
and make a kind of a fix, put like that.
So because we have to go through these changes, so
we have to go through these crises, these births, and
I think that's what's coming for us. But through the
Genki's and especially Jink fifty five, which I describe a
lot in my work and in the book, you can
see you get a focus on what's the other side

(50:28):
look like, And it's really important to have that hope.
More than hope, that's certainty that this is meant to
be this way for a reason, even though it's not
going to be easy, we're going to come out the
other side completely different. And that's why in Genky's my
symbol is the dragonfly. We'll be right.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
And I talk about the story of the dragon fly
and how how dragonfly. It's a bit similar to the
caterpillar and the butterfly, but in a way more dramatic,
because the dragonfly lives as a larvae underwater for two
or three years, where it's a predator, and then it
kind of comes up. Suddenly, it comes up a stalk

(51:17):
of grass out into the light, and it starts to
mutate and change, and within the space of two or
three hours, it's become a beautiful iridescent creature of the air.
And that is like an extreme and it happens really fast,
and that's a beautiful allegory of what's inside us. We

(51:39):
have a dragon inside our genome. We have an incredible iridescent,
multi dimensional you know, higher being hidden inside us. But
it's got to go through this process of leaving its
old environment, you know, where it's predatorial, and it's got
to take this huge risk and come up into the

(52:00):
air and into the light, and then it's going to
go it's going to shake its old life off and
something completely of another dimension. Is going to emerge. And
that's so it's hard for us to imagine that, the
vastness of the change, but that's that is what I

(52:20):
kind of feel we're heading towards.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
And I don't know about you, but I think the
greatest moments of growth for me in my life have
been the most difficult. Those are the ones when you're
when you're when you're what is that honed by fire?
Essentially you walk through the fire and you're hardened by
the fire, not not by the butterflies, uh, not by

(52:45):
the pluffy clouds, no, no, no, the fire. And it's
not pleasant. So on an individual level, we all do that,
and that's what kind of makes us who we are.
That's the shrapnel that we take, you know, that we
that we walk around with. But I think also the
planet and humanity itself, these old systems, as you say,
are breaking down, and we can see those systems breaking

(53:09):
down around us. It happened at a smaller extent in
the Industrial Revolution, where like from the horse and carr,
the horse and buggy to the car that was, but
these institutions are much larger, and some older institutions like religion,
religious institutions, political institutions, monetary, economic institutions, medical, I mean,

(53:31):
all of them are. You could just see the cracks
and people are just starting to like, this is not
working anymore. And you could see it in the numbers
of people go into the movies. You can see it
in people watching the news. Those numbers are all going down.
And you notice that those institutions are becoming more desperate.
They're becoming more outlandish with their ads or with their

(53:54):
things to get you to click, like no, no, no, no,
don't go away here. Look, look, look, someone just died.
Come here, come Like it's constant. People are starting to
pull away from that. So you're absolutely you're absolutely right
that we're going to be going through some through some stuff.
And I think you're right. I think that all of
us are going to go through something pretty dramatic, probably

(54:16):
within the next decade. I think something is gonna happen,
and I don't know what that is, but you could
just see it around us. Look, I mean Iran shooting
missiles at Israel, and we got the Ukraine War, we
got this year's election here in the States, and elections
around the world. I mean, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Our world is so fragile. You know, the world systems
we have are interdependent on each other. It doesn't take
much for a whole thing to collapse, really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Oh no, you just need a power outage, and you
understand how fragile you are. Just one power outage, you
lose power to your house. It's basically a useless box
other than to keep the weather out and maybe keep
some of the.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Heat or cold in.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, it's an it's it's nothing works.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You care. A lot of the I think a lot
of the planet will will you know, will become uninhabitable
for a while, you know, and you know, so that's
kind of caused a lot of migration, and that's going
to cause even more war and conflict. And I mean
this sounds sounds corizzly, but actually I'm an incredible optimist,
more than an optimist, because I had that download thing

(55:22):
where I experienced the future human and so I know
it's a fact in my DNA. I know it as
a cellular certainty. And that's why I started to teach
around it and create a body of teaching so that
other people could remember the same knowing and it would
that it would hold us. So that's my goalry of

(55:43):
the genkis to remind us and hold us through the change,
so that we know that we're heading towards something beautiful
and that give us hope in dark times.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Richard, I have to imagine that you've been doing this
for a few years now, So I imagine at one
point in our there's someone raised their hand and said,
this is absolute bs, this is malarkey, this.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Is who who la?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
What do you say to skeptics about this? Because I'm
sure someone listening right now, I'm like, these guys are
out of their minds. What would you say to that?
But first of all, if they're still listening, why are
you listening? You're obviously curious, so what's going on? But
what would you say to something more skeptical about all
of what we're talking about?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
What would I say? I'd say, you know, I don't
know what I'd say. I'd say, why are you still here?
You know?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Why are you watching this?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Go back to something else? My old time favorite, because
you know, I used to look at my reviews on
Amazon for my books and stuff. You know, you brought
a book, and when you first bring out a book
and you're like curious and and you're really upset when
you get a first bad review and my favorite all
time review. I can't believe I'm saying this on with you.

(56:54):
It just was two words and it just it gave
one star and it just said baffling crap.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Well, actually that's what That's a fantastic sentence. You can
get into that. AKA, it packs a punch.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
It's really I it's just beautiful and I and I
really wanted to have a dialogue with that person because
I just I respect that kind of you. Actually, I
understand that it must seem crazy, but I think once
you've had some awakened experience of some form, everything begins

(57:28):
to change inside you. And you know, you can't explain
that to someone who hasn't had a glimpse themselves. You
just can't. There's there's, there's, there's, it's there's How are
you going to get across that divide?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
It's kind of like trying to explain to somebody, you know,
the first your first love. If you've never loved anyone
and and you're you're trying to explain to somebody about love,
you sound like a maniac. You sound like you sound insane. Well,
there's this thing and they're like no, like you just
really can't even comprehend it. So you're right, and I
think that once you do, you know, just for my

(58:04):
own you know, for lack of a burter word awakening,
that I've had things look different to me, Patterns start
to appear, like I've spoken to Robert Grant so many
times on the show, and we've had a lot of
personal conversations about it and seeing patterns and how they
interconnect with other things. And the goal of what I

(58:26):
do is because I want to see the whole elephant.
Most people just focus on the tail or the foot,
or the trunk or the ear, but I'm trying to
connect all the points to get to the same truth.
And the thing I keep seeing again and again is
that everything you've talked about align with some of the
great yogis I've spoken to on the show, Spiritual Master's,
quantum physicists.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
All of this all.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Connects, and that's what's fascinating. I haven't heard one person
really come on and just goes so off left field.
They're like, no, no, no, our DNA is actually made
of cheese, and look, I haven't heard that yet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
You know what's beautiful about the image of the elephant,
like where you're looking at you, Yeah, because you're talking
about that, you know, you only see one personally, sees
one part of it. And yeah, actually you if you
dive deeply into anything enough, so even if you only
look into the trunk of the elephant, but you look
deep into the trunk and deep into the microscopic g

(59:24):
you know, in that trunk, you'll actually see the whole
elephant in that tiny fragment.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
That's what it's like. Wow, it's it's so beautiful if
you if I may quote The Matrix, one of my
favorite movies of all time, and the scene where Neo's
walking in to see the oracle and is in the
waiting room with the little Buddhist child and he's bending
the spoon with his mind. Yeah, and he's like, how
do you bend the spoon? He's like, first you must

(59:52):
believe that the spoon is not there. But when you
understand the truth that there is no spoon. Yeah, it's
so profound in an action in a Hollywood action movie
which would never get made today. No, absolutely, so, so
so profound. Richard. What are some of the you know,

(01:00:13):
we've talked about the jinki so much. What is some
of the biggest challenges people have with using them, Like
there's obstacles of like not being able to connect with
the material or the ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I think it's it's at the beginning. You know, Chinese
have a saying difficulty at the beginning, and it's natural,
you know, because you come in and it seems a
bit overwhelming and the concepts that you have to get
your head around. So what I say to people, I say,
this is not knowledge, so don't come towards it like
you'd go towards knowledge, which is what you learned at school,

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what we all learned at school. Knowledge. Knowledge is something
that's put into you. And this is not something that's
being put into you. This is something that's here to
access wisdom, and wisdom is already inside you. Wisdom has
to come out. It has to be catalyzed or triggered
or awakened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
So the Genky's the only purpose is for you to
go towards it gently and be patient and then use
the art of contemplation and then it starts to awaken
inside you. It starts to trigger your own wisdom recognition.
And so it's a very different way of moving towards

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something because you don't you can't grasp with your ego mind,
you know, you have to just allow and let it.
It's a bit more of a romance, you know. So
you come in gently and you and you come in
and you let it, You let it percolate, and you
like you savor it. You don't, you know, if you
get lost, that's okay. But we're always saying in gen

(01:01:58):
Ky's because we do a lot of online retreats. It's
really popular and ways of connecting with each other and
following the teachings and got couple on right now with
sort of thousands of people in them. And what we
say to people is that I haven't been able to
do the thing. I'm left behind. And we say like, no, no,
you can't be left behind. You're just where you are, Like,

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there is no left behind. There's just the pace at
which you're moving and that's natural to you. And so
so just trust in that pace. And that's why I
teach you know, this art of contemplation. It's a slow
you want to get wisdom, it takes time. You want knowledge,
you can get it quickly. You know, it's fast food.

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Wisdom is slow, slow burn, you know, because it's inside,
but when it comes out, it awakens something inside you,
you know. So it is a process of revelation. It
is a process of awakening. And that's what Jinki's is
all about, really, So that's what overcomes that first like
trepidation of like, oh my god, there's too much. I

(01:03:04):
don't understand. It's like, just calm down, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Well, it's kind of like, you know, when you're going
in for that first kiss. With that first kiss, you're like,
if you go in hot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, it's not gonna go in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
You go in aggressive and hot, which is basically your
ego mind going in and going.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Ah and that's whoa, no, no, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Not That does not work any young any young men
think or women listening, you're gonna you're gonna misstime that
you're gonna bump heads, the nose is gonna hit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It's not. It's not a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
But I love the idea of the romance because it
is something slow and you're feeling for it. You're not thinking,
because when you think you're you're done you're done.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It's when you feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Most and when and using the analogy of the first kiss,
you feel when it's right. The other person is signaling
when it's right. And it's it's this slow process when
you finally go in and kind of wrote that's the
term romancing it, romancing it out of inside of you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It's why I use poetic language a lot, because I'm
a bit of a poet myself, So I use in
all my books and writings a poetic language frame because
it's that that's what you know. It's not poetry, but
it's just it. It's more about the sound and the
kind of that sense of like just enjoy the language.

(01:04:30):
Just let it in, like bird song. You know, you
don't analyze bird song. You just let it in. And
then it starts to kind of find its way into
your mind and into your emotions and into your body,
and over a period of time you actually start to
have these little mini awakenings or these insights or these
breakthroughs sometimes I call them epiphanies, you know, And that's

(01:04:54):
how you enter into the Jinkies teachings. It's the same
way that the same thing that happened to me, I
had an epiphany, and so that's that's the way I
know of arriving at truth. And you go in gently
and you it's you allow it to seduce you. Yeah,
so it's it's a soft it's a soft approach, as

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you said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Very very very soft approach. I wanted to ask you
one thing about the gene key's frequency and vibration. What
does that play in these ideas of the mutating gene
the kind of evolving of consciousness through or connecting do
to wisdom. What does that have to do with frequency
in vibration if anything?

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Well, yeah, it's the foundation of the The whole language
of the gene keys is called the spectrum of consciousness.
You know, which are these words that are that are
arranged in these layer these three layers shadows, gifts, cities,
and it's it's it's a it's a way, it's a
way of organizing the quantum world through language. And so

(01:06:01):
they are bands of frequency, so a shadow frequency. You know,
if you if you track your shadow frequency, it always
keeps you in victim loops. So you can look at
the gene keys that relate to your your shadow patterns.
It might be you know, reaction Let's say you have
reaction the shadow of reaction, and that reaction keeps you

(01:06:23):
in a loop because you're reacting emotionally through that kind
of old memory of panic or fear or anger, and
that's a level of frequency, and it just keeps you
in in the shadow frequency, and it draws other shadow
frequencies towards you. So it creates it, you know, entanglements
and relationships with the same energy. As you start to

(01:06:46):
transform those those shadows, and they become gifts, and they
become creativity in your life, because that's what happens, that
you become incredibly creative. Then suddenly you're the vista opens
up and you realize you you've shifted frequency. You know,
DNA is operating at a different level of frequency, so
it's emitting different light signature, and that attracts different like

(01:07:09):
signature signatures. It attracts different not so much attracts other
people operating at the same level, you know, so it
attracts easier relationships, more beneficial relationships, people who are successful
in some way or fulfilled. And then your whole kind
of your whole work, your whole world begins to shift.

(01:07:31):
And then the highest level I guess the city level is,
you know, it's where you start to draw in like teachers,
really embodied teachers or teachings that enable you to access
and embody more of those higher heightened frequencies, like really
high frequencies in your life. And then you begin to

(01:07:51):
kind of those high frequencies begin to guide you from
inside you and they connect you to a much broader destiny,
a dharma you know, that is sort of your highest purpose,
you know. So I think we have levels of purpose,
you know, and to live your highest purpose, which is
the purpose of the genkis to help you. That's the

(01:08:13):
name on the front of my book, you know, embracing
your higher purpose in life, and it's not you know,
so that there's these layers of purpose. So you could
you can have a kind of a lower purpose, a
middle purpose, and a higher purpose if you like, and
you want to be in that high one, if possibly
you want to be moving towards that one. So opening

(01:08:33):
up this language of frequencies starts to entrain you, starts
to change the way you think about yourself, the way
you see You start to see yourself as one of
those X men you know or ex women. You start
to see yourself as filled with potential instead of trapped
in some kind of victim loop that you think you

(01:08:54):
can't get out of, you believe you can't get out of.
So it changes the fundamentally of your reality through doing
the deep contemplative work. That's Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Oh, it makes all the sense in the world, And
it completely connects to everything else I've learned from the
masters I've spoken to in regards you're essentially talking about
a version of the law of attraction in a very basic,
basic way. And I hate to use the law of
attraction since it's been so bastardized over the years. But
that idea of we create a reality, that's an old

(01:09:28):
concept from the Vedic times, that we create our reality.
And you're just kind of breaking down how you do that,
so with thoughts and things like that. But once you did,
you start attracting the correct yeah vibration.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
The thing with it is you have to do the
shadow work. That's why the law of attractions sometimes doesn't
work for people because you can't. It's not enough to
just have a nice thought pattern. You actually have to
go into some uncomfortable, uncharted areas of your psyche and
do some serious mining there and transformation, and then after

(01:10:03):
years of that, the law of attraction starts to kind
of really open up inside you. But you can't bypass
that in a work, you know, and I think you
see that a lot in the you know, in the
New Age kind of stuff, that people are bypassing that
work and and sort of you know, so so it
doesn't it can't really operate, you know. I call it

(01:10:23):
the law of unseen grace, which is which is what
the law of attractions built on. So it's it's it's
deeper in a way, and unseen grace is where you
don't realize that you already have right now everything exactly
as you need it. That's unseen grace. So the moment
you harvest like, oh wow, so this shit relationship that

(01:10:43):
I can't is actually perfect for teaching me exactly what
I need to transcend it. It is the perfect teaching,
you know. And and it's it's trying to show you something.
It's trying to lead you on a transformational journey so
that you can change, you know, your frequency. But you've

(01:11:04):
got to go into the very thing that you're you
want to avoid in order to get to the prize.
I love that. That's kind of Shakespearean as far as
I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. Now, Ritard, I'm going
to ask you a few questions. Ask, oh, my guests,
what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Well, I think it's something connected to simplicity. It's something
very connected to being in the body, being embodied, and
the love of the body, and the love of the
love of the form, so the love of the things
of the world. You know, it's not necessarily all about transcendence,

(01:11:57):
even everything I've said, It's about love of each step
along the ladders of frequency. You know. Fulfillment is is
here now. It's not in the future, you know. So
it's it's all around us, so we have to we
have to harvest it in a contempl That's why contemplation
is a beautiful art, because it helps us harvest that fulfillment,

(01:12:21):
that beauty that is around us all the time. And
contemplation also slows us down. It's a little bit different
from meditation. It's more whole system, you know. So you
do it when you're awake, when you're walking, when you're moving,
it's a way of life, and it might include meditation
as well or mindfulness, but it's it's an approach that

(01:12:41):
allows us to harvest the beauty that's around us. So
I think that's that's the foundation of fulfillment for me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Now, if you had a chance to go into a
Dolorean and go back in time, what advice would you
give little Richard the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Not the musical star you you, sir, sure, ye as
I go, I've already given it to him. Yeah, I've said,
you know, I would say, look, the two things that
I've learned right that are most precious two words, and
they're really one gentleness and patience. You know, gentleness with yourself,

(01:13:21):
you know, so that and patience with yourself because you
know all the places where you hurt or you feel stressed,
or the wounded parts of yourself. That's what they most
need is you to be gentle with yourself and patient
with yourself so that you can heal on this journey.

(01:13:41):
And those two qualities are like they may sound soft,
but they're like they're the most intense discipline. You know,
to be gentle with yourself so that you don't you know,
you don't judge yourself too harshly, you know, to soften,
to open your heart again. That's like that's an amazing

(01:14:02):
thing to be able to do. And it goes with patience,
you know, because patience means you don't push, you don't
you know, even if you even if you're impatient, you
can be patient with your impatience. It's like it's you
just take you just learn to be easy with yourself,
and then things happen quicker. You know, your growth happens quicker.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
How do you define God or source?

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I guess you know. I bring it all back to love. Really,
I bring it back to love. That's like the Sufis
have an old way, an old equation. You know. It's
the lover, the beloved, and love and those three that's
the equation, like the belover, the beloved, the lover and love.

(01:14:51):
Love is the thing that connects us. And this creation
is the beloved. We're the lover. But you can also
spin it however you want. You're also love and you
know everything is about being a lover, you know, for me,
like at every level. So I'd say that that is
as close to God as anyone can ever get is

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being a lover.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I had a I had a regression once. I'm going
to answer that quickly, and she took me back to
the beginning of things, and I was right back at
that point. I said, the birth of my soul, you know,
And she said, well, what and when you came in,
what was your purpose and all? When I heard that,

(01:15:39):
I started to laugh and I laughed, and I laughed
and I laughed, and then she started to laugh, you know,
as you said, and we both were just laughing and
laughing because that was all. That was the answer for me.
It was like the purpose. You can't ask that question
because because the answer is laughter, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
That's amazing, Richard. Where can people find out more about
you and the amazing work you're doing with the gene keys.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Yeah, they can easily come to gen kys dot com
and there's all kinds of stuff there, and also my
YouTube channel has a lot of good free stuff. Gene
keys again and one beautiful thing. It's a free app.
It's a contemplation app though created called the Triple Flame,
and it's free and it's on the App Store and

(01:16:34):
it's really fun. I think, Yeah, I think you'd enjoy it, actually, Alex,
it's it. It's got lots of meditations and things on
it for me that are really you know, short and
long and all kinds of things, but it's it bings
you every three hours for three minutes, and it gives
you a pause. It asks you to pause for three
minutes every three hours on the three, six, nine, twelve o'clock,

(01:16:58):
and it also tells you how many other people are
pausing using the app, and so it's the beginning of
a pausing community around the world of people who are
pausing to contemplate. And it's really beautiful because it slows
you down. It makes you a more poetic, contemplative person.
It reminds you that that's who you are. So it's

(01:17:21):
a kind of lovely thing, and it's a nice way
to kind of get in touch with some of my
other stuff because there's a lot on the app that's
just free.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
It's been such a pleasure talking to you, my friend.
I know we can go down many more rabbit holes,
and we will absolutely do that in the future. So
I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken our
planet and to turn us into x men. So I
appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Thanks Alex. It's a pleasure for me to really love
you to meet you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Well. I thank Richard so much for coming on the
show and sharing his knowledge with all of us. If
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