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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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the companies they represent. Now today on the show, we
have Jill M. Jackson, also known as the Mississippi Medium. Now,
Jill and I had a fascinating conversation on her journey
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from a Southern Baptist to a psychic medium, and we
also talk about what she sees in store for humanity
and not only this year, but coming years as well.
Let's dive it like to welcome to the show, Jill M.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Jackson hiding and Jill, I'm doing amazing. Alex, how are you.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I'm doing good, my dear. Thank you so much for
coming on the show. I appreciate you coming on. We're
looking I'm looking forward to talking to you about your
adventures as being a psychic medium and talk about your
new book, The Mississippi Medium and uh, you know, my
journey from a Southern Baptist to talking to the dead.
It's fascinating. So first questions, was was before you before
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we get into your work as a psychic medium. What
was your life like before you kind of embraced your abilities?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, great question. I like to say that I tried
to live a normal life whatever that means, right, what
is what is normal? But I was a cheerleader, I
went to church every every Sunday. But I was able
to see the spirit world my entire life. As a
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small child, I could see them walking around our house,
but back then I could not hear them, so it
frightened me, and so I would spend a lot of
time outdoors, kind of out in nature, away from all
the chaos that was happening inside my house. And when
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my grandmother was my grandmother passed away when I was
about twelve, and she came to me in the middle
of the night, and she was hovering over my bed,
full form, not sick anymore, absolutely beautiful. And that was
the first time that I Claire audiently heard the spirit world.
She communicated telepathically to me that she was in the
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other world some of us call it Heaven, some call
it the other side, and that she just wanted to
let us know that she was doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So when that happened at twelve years old, well, when
you first started seeing, you know, I always like to think,
did you see dead people? It sounds like you did
see dead people walking around like in the sixth sense.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
When it first started. When you're younger, you don't have the.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
You don't have the resources yet in your mind to
even deal with anything like that. So at what point
did you did you realize, oh, this is not everyone
sees what I see.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
That took a while, Alex, it wasn't something I really
talked about. There was only one friend in high school
that was aware that I was all to see the departed.
It was something that I was unsure about. And interestingly enough,
when I did start speaking out about it, and it
was about high school, my mother actually told me that
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that's when she told me that she was a medium.
And so when my grandmother came to me, I ran
to my mother's room and I explained it to her,
and she said that she had been visiting her as well,
but it was still something I wasn't quite ready at
that young age to own. I guess you would, you
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would say. So that's why it's my passion now helping
young people that have these gifts, because it can be
so confusing.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So when when your mother, I've heard this kind of
story before that mom or grandma or even dad or grandpa,
they they have it, but you don't talk about it.
Especially those generations you just never said they would. They
would have never come out on a show publicly and
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talked about things like will you and I are talking
so completely different generation my grandparents and had you know,
some of my grandparents had the gift and so on.
It was something I always heard about in the background,
but it was something that was never talked about. So
then when you finally decided to embrace these abilities, I mean,
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how long were you? I mean, even though you knew
you had access to all this information and had access
to these abilities, when did you start to truly embrace
these Because it sounds like it took a few years.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It took a lot longer than that, actually, Alex. And
it's so interesting because in my mind, even going into
my twenties, I still thought that everybody had these Yes,
everybody could see, you know, to Sez, people walking around,
and it was you know, I it was just my life.
But I didn't go around talking about it to everybody.
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I would have visitations, I would, you know, talk about
it in my book that my guides would give me
predictions going back to my early twenties. I would be
either woken up early in the morning or late in
the afternoon and just told certain things. But again I
never really sat down and said, Okay, this is my life,
this is who I am. It was probably in my
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late thirties before I really call it coming out of
the psychic closet. So it took a while. It took
a while.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So how did you reconcile your upbringing as a Southern
Baptist with these this other truth that you truly knew
things that they might have contradicted what you were being
taught on Sundays.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, that actually started much younger. That started in high school.
And I believe I stopped going to church probably in
my early twenties. I would go back a few times
because I really enjoyed the community, and I enjoyed certain
aspects of it, but most of the preachings were fear
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based and it was in a box in my reality
was not that. And then also it was being preached
and talked about that the gifts that I had were
evil and you know, not to be used, and that
did not resonate as truth for me. So I would
say I left organized religion in my twenties.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You know, it's very interesting, you know a lot of
you know, as a recovering Catholic, I understand exactly where
you're coming from because in a lot of the at
least the Christian based religions, or yeah, the Christian based religions,
and there's many anything that is anywhere near supernatural or
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outside of the norm. It's the it's the devil, it's
the demon, it's evil spirits, all this kind of stuff.
And again my experience from talking to hundreds and hundreds
of people who channel or psychic mediums who've had near
death experiences, none of them have had those kind of
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negative experiences in their reality. And even people who are
psychic mediums or channels, I always say, well, if these
are demons, they're horrible at their job, just horrible because
they're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Light and love and helping, trying to help people.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, it's not the exorcist by any stretch of
the imagination.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Exactly. And how do you reconcile an all loving creator,
god being. And on the other hand, if you are
not a Christian or a Catholic or whatever you need
to fit in that box, he's he is going to
see to a fiery, burning hell for eternity. And you know,
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those kinds of truths did not reconcile. And then I
also started seeing a lot of hypocrisy as well, stop it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Stop it.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Hypocrisies and organized religion. Are you kidding? It's shocking.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
This is a huge revelation, right.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Because I mean, the Catholic Church has a spireless record,
spotless records. So I agree with you there there's a
lot of that kind of hypocrisy and things like that,
just things didn't make sense with organized religion. But again,
and I say this to other people too, us and
I'm not against religion in general. It is good for
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certain people who want that and need that in their lives.
And if it makes them happy and they're good people
about it, and it's and it helps other people get
through life, that's fine. It just wasn't my path, wasn't
it obviously wasn't your path. But to live and let live,
you know, I just not hurting anybody else.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Absolutely. Absolutely. A funny story that I like to talk
about is when my husband and I opened our spiritual
center in the Bible Belt in Mississippi. This woman came into.
She didn't realize what she was walking into. She was
just coming in to get a gift certificate for a
massage right for a friend, and she started seeing all
of our items around for sale, and she looked at
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my husband and she said, these Middle Eastern items are
making me very, very uncomfortable. And she said, I am
a Christian and I love Jesus, and my husband says,
wasn't Jesus from the Middle East?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
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Speaker 2 (10:53):
So she stopped, literally her mouth dropped open, and then
she said, exactly what do you try to push here?
And he said non judgment and what can she say?
She purchased her gift certificate and walked out, So hopefully
it gave her some food for thought.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Right, you know, that's such a that's so amazing because
you're right, obviously, it's like, wasn't Jesus Middle Easter? I mean,
that's kind of what's going on. There's a lot of
that going on right now on the other side of
the world. They're still arguing about things from two thousand
years ago. Yes, it's it's pretty fat, it's pretty fascinating.
So all right, So, so you when you decide in
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your late thirties to start to kind of come out
of that spiritual closet, what was that like when you
kind of said, hey, I'm a psychic medium, everybody, I'm
open for business.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Like, how did that? How did the.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
In the in the in the Bible belt God's Sakes,
in the Bible. But what was that like with your friends, families, colleagues,
things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, funny enough, I was actually living in Southern California
at the time, and much.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Much better place, much better place to open up in
that situation.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes, yes, And you know, I was a business manager
for the entertainment industry. I had a lot of celebrity clients.
I was a CPA, and I had two near death experiences,
ended up in the hospital the first time. I'm a
little stubborn. The first time, my guides tried to say,
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you know, you're really not on the path that you
came here to do, and I ignored that because I
was making a lot of money. I had a great life,
you know, going around with celebrities. And so the second
time I ended up in the hospital, I really started saying, Okay,
I need to embrace my authentic truth. I need to
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really come out of the closet and embrace who I
am and what I came here to do. And so
I called him, my dad. He was the first person
that I called, and I said, you know, I know
you paid for this college education and I know I
have a very successful career in Southern California, however, I'm
going to leave that all behind and I'm coming out
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as a professional psychic medium, and I just need to
know your faults on that. And at first there was
silence on the phone and I'm just waiting, and then
my dad said, I want you to find your joy,
and I embrace whatever path that you choose that brings
you happiness. And that's the message that I share with everybody.
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It's so important that we find our joy and find
our happiness. It doesn't matter about the money and the
fame and the notoriety, and it matters about our blueprint
and what we came here to do in this particular lifetime.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Now you mentioned the blueprint, you're referring to the sole blueprint,
the agreement that we have of what we want to
learn in this lifetime.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Correct, correct, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
So. My experience is that if you are there are
mild markers in life. You know, there's things that will
happen no matter what, because that's how you wanted it.
You set these things up so you'll meet a certain person,
you'll have a certain kind of job, you'll have this
kind of thing happened to you. How you get to
point A to point b er from B two c
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is is kind of open up. You can go anywhere else.
But sometimes, as in your case, you skew off the
road a bit and it doesn't seem like you're going
back on because you're fearful, scared, just enjoying hanging out
with celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Itust me.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm from Hollywood. I understand you know early on, I
completely get it. So you had a near death experience
and from my experience, and I'd love to hear your
thoughts that NDEs when they happen to people, their wake
up calls to get them back onto the path, because
it's what you've asked for.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And again it's.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Still your choice if you don't want to go, obviously,
because you still were stubborn, and another one needed to
kind of wake you back because again I for my
own personal journey, it starts as a tap on the shoulder,
a whisper in the ear, a nudge, push sledgehammer across
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the head, and then the car hits you on Tuesday morning. Yes,
I swiped because you haven't listened any other way.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Would you agree with what I'm say.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
On my spirit team says that I needed a there
two by four. You know, sometimes the same analogy one
hundred percent. And like you said, it's not a punishment,
it's to help us get back on our path because
we all came here to learn and evolve.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
So do you mind going into a little bit of
what happened in those those two near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
It wasn't like some people's. It was literally I was
in the hospital and what was almost the point of
passing away. I was losing consciousness, My organs were shutting down.
I was diagnosed with loopus early early on, so there
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were different things happening to the physical body. And it
was laying there in that hospital bed where I had
the realization. My guides came to me and said, this
is your wake up call. Literally, it's time to really
embrace what you came here to do. So it wasn't
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the white light the tunnel experience like some have. However,
that's very real, many people have experienced that. Mine was
just literally I felt my life force energy slipping away.
If that makes.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Sense, it does.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That was the first one. How about the second one,
same thing?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No, that was actually that was actually the second one.
The first one. I was told that I was going
to be paralyzed. I was told that I had loop
us and own A lot of fear based medical diagnoses
were put on me on the first one, and for
a while I went into that fear, and then I
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started waking up to the fact, wait a minute, I'm
not going to own that that it's not my truth.
And so I started embracing more holistic help. But then
the second one hit because I was still not on
my path. I was still not embracing the truth of
who I was. I was still keeping it quiet, even
though the clients that I had in my business management
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firm had no idea that they were also getting a
free psychic along with their business management services, because I
did not advertise that obviously. But I was still not
ready to come out and again come out of the closet.
And I know so many professional psychics medium's channels have
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struggled with.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
The same without question, because it's it's I always I
always joke as like it clears a room. It depends
on the room you're in, but it does kind of
clear a room. But it's easier now than it's ever
been to do this kind of work. There's I don't
think there's ever been a time period that has been
easier to do this even ten years ago. It was
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harder twenty years ago, fifty years ago, it is impossible.
You know again the whole burning of the steak and
all that kind of stuff and persecutions and things. So
let me ask you, when, how does it work with you?
Because I always I always like asking psychic mediums.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
So is the.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Open sign on all the time? Do people just show
up in the shower? You know, you know, like, do
you have no privacy whatsoever? Can you put a clothes
sign up? Is there a respect from the other side
They're like, oh, she's not open right now. And then
when you turn the sign, okay, guys, if I'm ready
for a session, how does it work with you?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah? Great question. In the beginning, there was no open
and closed sign. For sure. It was twenty four to seven.
And when we begin our awakening process and we start
raising our vibrational frequency, everything changes in our lives. And
so those of us who are mediums, we opened portals
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everywhere that we go. We don't do it on purpose,
but that is the very definition of a medium. We're
opening portals to the other world. And so yes, in
the beginning it was NonStop. I could not go and
get a massage without the therapist, loved ones begging me
to deliver messages and own and own and known. But
I started studying, and I started, you know, learning and
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taking classes. I studied at Arthur Fnley College, the world's
foremost college of psychism in England, and studied in New York.
And so every time that I took a class and
found a new mentor and studied with some of the
best mediums in the world, I learned to put up
the those boundaries and to have the open and closed
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sign on. Because the truth is, when you offer your
gifts as a professional psychic or medium, there's only so
much battery in any given day. So if we are
on all the time, our battery gets strained and it
doesn't leave a full battery for us to serve our
clients when it's time to do so. And that's what
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I teach my students now is how to turn that
own and all, and it can be learned.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. How did you deal
with this gift on a psychological basis when you've even
as a young person. I mean, it seems like there
was a lot of like pushing it away kind of energy.
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But this has to screw with your head a bit.
I mean hearing voices seeing that people. Did you ever
see anything that was just so disturbing or terrifying like
they did in like six SSS. I'm using movie references
because that's what we have, you know, anything like that.
How did you deal with all of this?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yes, that took a while, Alex, And it's something that
I love mentoring people about because it is it's you know,
we have different paradigms happening at the same time right now,
and one of my predictions is that the paranormal will
end up being the new normal, you know, because we
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all have these gifts to some degree or another. But yes,
there were times that I was so frightened and I
felt so alone and did not know who to turn to.
I remember a couple of times in my twenties living
in Florida, there were a couple of you know, beings
that appeared and frightened me, and you know, I didn't
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know who to turn to. And one time when I
after I met my husband, who's also a medium. By
the way, we were living in Ashville and We were
living in a very old condominium in downtown Ashville, had
a lot of history, and I was woken up in
the middle of the night by a very angry gentleman.
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You could tell he was not in a great place,
and it was a menacing and I truly he was
so full formed that I felt we had an intruder
in the house. And so my screams woke my husband up,
and I'm waking him up. Well, he then sees the
individual as well, because he's a medium, and I'm thinking
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that my husband's going to protect me from this intruder,
and my husband actually pushes me towards he's hiding behind
me out of his own fear of seeing. And after
our heart rates calmed down, I said, okay, you need
to have a little discussion here. Even though we're both mediums,
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you're supposed to be the protector. And we laughed. We
laughed about it. But that is so few and far between,
you know. There. It's just like in life, you have
negative people, and there are some people who have not
made their transition on to the other side, but that
is not the norm, thankfully. But yes, it does make
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you feel like sometimes you're living on an island and
that you're very misunderstood. And there's still times to this
day that I will have those emotions come up, honestly.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But I imagine now that there's there's so much more
acceptance and information about this this kind of work out
there the show My show, for example, and any other
shows like it that you can that you can't, you
can just log in and watch an watch an interview
with the psychic medium, or see what other person's adventures
are or journey is. So it's not I is isolating
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as it was five years ago, ten years ago, as
it is not.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
You know now, it's a lot more open. Would you agree?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
One percent? And that's why I have so much respect
for you and others Alex, who answered the call to
go out there and do this. And I'm sure in
the beginning for you, when you got the message from
your own guides, I'm sure you took a double take
and had to ask a few more questions because again,
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it wasn't the norm when you when you even when
you started doing this, it wasn't as well known as
it is right now. So thank you again for your service.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Oh, I appreciate that, And you're absolutely right I've spoken
about that many times in the show, my refusal of
the call of an adventure, as they say, as Joseph
Campbell would say, because it's it's not easy doing this work,
you know what, either of you me, or any of
the work any of the people who come on my show,
Because it's you need to take a little a level
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of bravery to do it. Though it's easier now than
it's ever been, which is great. But I want to
ask you, though, why do you think now this I
mean psychic specifically psychic mediums, that idea has been around
for a long time. Channelers is a little bit newer idea,
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probably within the last fifty years. Edgar Casey was probably
the first very famous channeler, and even then he was
a sleeping profit so it was not eaten, not a
full body channel like Seth or darryl Anka or something
like that. But the psychic mediums have been around a
long time. Why do you think that now it's becoming
more and more accepting and people are searching this information
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out more and more.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
A lot of it has to do with the ascension
process and the vibrational frequency of our planet raising higher,
and within that process, more and more people start waking
up to the fact that there are more truths than
the dogma than we have been taught and told our
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entire lives, and they start asking questions, and they start
having their own experiences, their own synchronicities, and so I
feel like it happens in levels. You know, years ago,
it was the paranormal, the television shows of the paranormal
and the ghost shows that gained in popularity, and so
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that was kind of the first mini dose to the
masses and to the public of this world.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
People could handle that, They could handle the ghost shows
and the ghost stories. And then you have the Long
Island medium who came on the scene and you know,
with all of her characterizations, and people loved watching it,
and so that started opening up people more and more
to the idea of mediumship. And then the next is channeling.
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I feel like that more and more people are starting
to open up to the fact that there are multi
dimensional realms and we all have spirit guides, we all
have evan galactic helpers that are wanting to infuse wisdom
and information to us. It's just simply up to us,
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in our own free will to be open to that.
And I feel like that we're getting there as humanity.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
What is one of the biggest misconceptions that people have
about being a psychic medium or the work.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
That you do, probably that you know that it's evil,
or that we know everything about everybody at any given time.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You're all knowing, you're all knowing, all that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Knowing exactly, all knowing, and you know people will say, well,
why haven't you won the lottery or why did you
get in that bad business deal or that bad relationship. Well,
we have our own harm to balance in this in
this lifetime. We have our own soul opportunities. I prefer
that word over lessons. It sounds better opportunities. But yeah,
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that's probably the biggest misconception, is.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
That what is what is your process as far as
you know, getting doing a reading and things like that,
because I know it's different for every psychic medium. You
hear do you hear?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Do you hear voices?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Do you see? Because from my understanding, it's all telepathic.
There's no actual verbal talking because there's no voice boxes
on the other side. They say, but or is it
more like ghost the movie Ghosts where you're taking over
like your whoopy Goldberg and there's like a line of
of spirits waiting to talk to somebody and they come
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into your body and they talk through you.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
How did you how do you work?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, a little bit of both. And actually about a
year ago, my husband and I started sitting in physical
mediumship where we have had a few direct voices come
through where we hear them in the physicals. So that
takes a while to develop, and it's only happened a
couple of times. But yes, for the most part, not Ey.
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Nine percent of the time. It is Claire audience. I'm
a Claire audience medium. I'm Claire sentient, clairvoyant, I can
sincee here. No. You know, when I first started as
a professional psychic, it was predominantly clairvoyance, meaning that I
could see in my third eye. And years and years
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went by where my readings were predominantly clairvoyant. And then
one day I was in meditation and I had clients
schedule that day, and in meditation I could not see anything.
There was just pure light darkness, and I had a
moment of freak out and I asked my guides, what's
going on? Why am I not seeing anything? And they
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said to me, well, we're going to ask you to
start developing your Clare sentience to a deeper level. And
I said, that is fabulous and I can't wait to
do that. But today is not the best day for
that because I have clients in about an hour or
so anima clairvoyance back and I need it back now
because it was a crutch for me. And they said,
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do you trust us, Yes, of course, they said, You're
going to be fine.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So literally those readings that day were surely Claire audience
and Claire sentient with no visions whatsoever. And it was interesting.
But my guides did that to kind of help me
continue growing because I know some of us get comfortable
in our gifts, right. I think that's with anything that
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we do, and it's important for us to remember that
we want to continue striving for excellence, not comparing to
anybody else, but just against our own own gifts. So
for me, I do go into a light trance. I
go into a trance state, and except when I'm on
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stage and I'm doing events in front of an audience,
I'm not in a trance, but I'm in a more
of an altered state. Otherwise I would fall off the
stage when I'm walking around, but for my readings, I
am in a trance state.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So this is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So when you are well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Do you have any Do you have any specific reading
or moment that you had doing your work that really
changed you as a person and or change the client
as a person.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
There's so many, Alex. That's what I love about this
work too, is that the messages that come through not
only from the galactic realm, but from people's loved ones
that come through with wisdom. So many times I'm able
to take that same advice, and sometimes their loved one
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will even say to me, this message is for you too, Jill.
You need to really listen to this. And I think
for the most part, it's about trusting in the gifts.
I walk away from every reading in a state not
only a state of gratitude, but just impure all because
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it's still after all these years, it blows my mind
that we are able to communicate with the other worlds.
And that's why I don't mind the skeptics at all,
because it is sometimes difficult until you've had the experience
to embrace it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Let me ask you, guys, this is a question that's
so many people have and I'd just like to hear
how you do it when you go to what is
the preconceived notion of a psychic is that you have
the future, that you know the future, that you know
what's going to happen to me. And then again there's
are those people who want a lottery tickets and things
like that. As a medium, I understand that you're actually
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just acting as a medium between you, between the client
and a loved one. That I understand. But when you're
predicting things for somebody, if it's not the loved one
who's telling you, where is this information coming from?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Great? Great question. So as a psychic, we are we
are perceiving information. As a medium, we are receiving the information. Now,
different psychics work different ways. Some tune into the org
field of their of their client that they are reading,
and some are able to connect with their spirit guides
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and channel that information directly from either their Akashak records
or their spirit team. But we're not fortune tellers. And
anytime a psychic says one percent this is going to happen,
run from that psychic because what we can do is
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read the energy of the current signature of what's going
on right then and there, we can look at soul contracts.
If somebody has a question about a relationship, I can
tune into the energy at that given moment. But each
person has free will. So any psychic that says one
hundred percent this person is going to ask you to
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marry them, you know, or pay me more money, or
let me do a love spell, run please run from that,
because that is not what this work is about. What
I can look at, though, is where their past lives.
Is there more karma to balance things like that? And
whenever we give the information again, I tell my clients
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this is the current timeline. This is the energetic signature
of what's going on right now. However, we all have
free will. I can tell someone I'm seeing right now,
there's a job opportunity coming for you in Chicago, and
it feels like it's part of your blueprint. It feels
really promising to see you citing people there. And if
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the client gets a job offer in Chicago, they can
still choose with their own free will to turn that
job opportunity down. So if they turned it down, does
that make the psychic wrong. No, they use their own
free will to choose another path and direction.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So it's more like you're reading and I'll try to
reframe it a little bit in my language if you will,
not that you were out of that that I could
understand what you're saying, but I want to try to
understand it a little bit better that you're basically reading
the energy at the moment. This is the current timeline.
So you're where Marty McFly in back to the future.
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This is the moment. This is the timeline that we're on.
And from your best estimation, if this would this timeline
would continue, X would happen, why would happen, Z would happen.
There's potentials for all of that to happen to you.
Sometimes that energy is so strong that it's almost inevitable,
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and that happens for humanity in general. Like I was
talking to some of the other day, like, yet the
thing that happened with nine to eleven that was going
to happen, The energy was just like so strong that
it was very unlikely wouldn't happen. There was still a
chance big events like that because everything is focusing on
that energy. But at any moment it could arguably change.
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So it's just kind of like the level of energy
you're like, I really feel strongly that you're going to
get this job in Chicago, and then I think, oh,
should I take it? And you'll go based on what
I'm seeing, Yes, you should take and it's part of
your blueprint things.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
OK.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Is that a good explanation, Yes, absolutely, because what I
love is when a client comes to me for a
session and they've been thinking about something themselves and they've
received their own guidance on an issue, but they're still
torn about it, and they come to the.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Session and without even asking me about it, spirit will
bring that information through and give them clarity. And the
best readings are the ones for the client at the
end says I already knew that in the core of
my being, and you have validated it for me that
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those are the readings that I love because we already know.
And that's why I love teaching intuitive and psychic development,
because we can all learn to tune in to our
clear sentience, our gut feelings, our knowings.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Right, and that is a form of psychic ability, is
to connect to our intuition, to our gut We all
have the gut feeling, we've all had intuition. We all
can read people's energies. You know when you walk into
a room and you like, ooh, you meet that sales
guy and you feel like you're taking a shower. Afterwards
you're just like, oh God. Those are all forms of
psychic abilities and we all have it. But some people
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are more gifted in this incarnation than others to be
able to tap into it in a much higher way.
Just like I always say, everyone can play basketball, but
not everyone could be Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yes, absolutely, same with anything, and I use those same
analogies alet. Some of us chose in this lifetime to
use the gifts professionally, but in my opinion, it helps
all of us to learn how to use them. We
can use them in everything that we do, and it
serves us. We're given these gifts for a reason. It's
like any other muscle.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
So let me ask you this from your experience, how
does the spirit work world communicate with us without a
medium in place? So Grandma passes? How do you see
Grandma communicating with you know, other than showing up hovering
above you in bed. Generally, not everybody gets that opportunity.
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How do how does the spirit world talk to you,
not only at the moment of death, but throughout our lives.
These these loved ones that are passing on, how have
you seen them communicate with with as they say normies, Uh,
like myself.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
That's my little doggie. She's a medium. Also, yes, any
different ways through dreams. We have visitations from our loved
ones that come in dreams. And you know it's human
behavior to still say to ourselves, well, that was just
a dream, that wasn't a visitation. I can assure you
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if you have a dream of your loved one, that
is a citation. That is how they come to us
and let us know that they're still with us, that
they're watching over us. And then they leave signs. They
leave maybe pennies. You've heard the same pennies from heaven.
My own mother leaves me dimes, and the skeptic in
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me the first dime, I still will, you know, have
the ego voice, that's not you, mom. So she will
leave two or three dimes in a row to let
me know that that's hurt. So they'll leave coins, they'll
leave feathers. They work with the animal kingdom. If you have,
let's say, a cardinal coming to your window several days
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in a row, and that is not the norm for
that cardinal to appear at your window. That is one
of your loved ones trying to get your attention to
let you know that they're okay in delivering a message
from the other realm.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
What is the primary reason for connecting to spirits in general?
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Speaker 2 (41:13):
There's two primary reasons. One to prove that we do
survive our physical bodies and that we our souls continue on.
And then the other is for healing. You know, it
brings a lot of healing and a good mediumship session
the client. Even though there may be tears and probably
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will be tears shed during that session, the client needs
to really leave feeling like they spent some time with
their loved one and that there's a healing there. A
lot of times there's things that weren't able to be
said before that person passed away. Sometimes there's apologies. Sometimes
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they just want to come in and let the person
know that they are aware about the births, the marriages,
the graduations, and that they wanted them to know that
they were there experiencing it with them.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's beautiful. So, after speaking to so many spirits and
so many loved ones from the other side, what's it
like on the other side?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I always like to joke, I'm like, are they all
hanging out in a cosmic bar having drinks?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
What is their day to day quote unquote day to
day life on the other side in between lives?
Speaker 4 (42:30):
What have you?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
What information do you have?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, that's a great question too, Alex. What I've been
shown personally is when we make our transition, we immediately
go into what my guides have called a healing chamber,
and it's a place where we acclimate to not having
a body any any longer, and we start doing it.
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We do our life review, and we make the decision
then whether and when we want to reincarnate, and our
loved ones are there to greet us. What I'm shown
is is it's much like it is here where they
will have jobs. They will you know, they're not jobs
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like we have them here, but there are souls that
choose different things to do. I will have some loved
ones who were kind of busy bodies in this lifetime
that will tell me that what they enjoy doing is
going around and showing the new people kind of the
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ropes of being. On the other side, I have other
souls that tell me that they are helping to raise
the vibration. Some of them are working with creation type energy,
so it's all different. I know my own mother resides
in the seventh dimension and she's working with plants and
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trees and helping to heal the planet in that way.
So there's just limitless possibilities of what we're able to do.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That is that is fascinating.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I've heard those things before. It's kind of like the
healing chamber.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
It almost sounds like you are almost going through a
decompression chamber. You when you when you go down too
deep into the ocean, when you have to come up,
if you go up too fast, you get the bends.
These are the spiritual bends that you're trying to get,
you know, kind of get out of right.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yes, absolutely. You know one thing that I learned too,
Alex that even as a medium that I was, I
had a belief system that we can choose when we
pass away. Okay, what I was always shown is that
we have several exit points, if you will, and it's
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why there's near death experiences, and we may choose to
take one or choose not to take one. And I
felt like that we had control, if you will, over
those exit points throughout our life. But one thing that
I learned with my own mother's transition is that sometimes
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based on either environmental causes, food illnesses, things like that,
the physical body will decompose if you will, and start
shutting down sometimes before the spirit is ready to leave.
And that was a huge revelation to me. And again
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it wasn't until my own mother passed away where that
became apparent to me, because even when she was about
to make her transition, I could see my grandmother, my
great grandmother, at her bed trying to welcome her, trying
to hold her hands out to come join them in
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the other side. And my mother, even as a medium,
was rejecting that she could see them, but she was
not ready ready to go. And when she finally made
her transition, she spent a good deal of time in
the healing chamber really coming to terms, if you will,
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and reconciling to certain truths of her own truths. So
it was about six months before myself or any other
mediums were truly able to communicate with her. So that
was fascinating to me to sort of learn that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
It's like if you don't take care of the machine,
it will break down faster.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Good analogy.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, perfectly, we got to change that oil.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Rotate the tires.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
We got to change the oil, rotate the tires.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
So some of these tires are getting older, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
So have you ever encountered different descriptions of the afterlife
based on cultural or even religious beliefs or you know,
constructs if you will, Yes.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
And my opinion on that or my feeling on that
is when the loved ones show me that in a reading,
it is to provide evidence. Okay. So in other words,
if I am doing a reading for someone and their
grandmother was a devout Catholic, and I can explain to
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them that their loved one is she's holding rosary beads,
you know that is a symbolism where the client is
going to understand that that's evidence, all right. Same with
someone who was a devout Christian, I will see them
holding a Bible. Now I am at about ninety nine
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point nine percent sure that they do not have those
same dogmatic beliefs, and in fact, later in the reading,
they will share those truths and they will say, you know,
if I could impart any wisdom, it's climb out of
that box. You know, do not allow others to control
what you think and feel and believe. But in the
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beginning they do show us that, and it's my belief
that it's to provide that evidence.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Fair enough, Now you kind of mentioned this before, but
this is a question I get asked a lot. Is
the personalities of a person, like what makes Jill Jill?
And what makes Alex Alex? How much of that continues
on the other side, you know, like I I have
a kind of sharp sense of humor.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Am I going to be funny? On the other side?
Am I going to lose jokes?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Is Robin Williams cracking jokes like these kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yes, that's funny. You asked that because he actually came
through my husband in a circle we were doing, and yes,
it was still as as funny as as ever. So
to answer that question, it's been my experience that when
we first transition, the majority of our personality is still there,
our spirit is still more intact. But what I have
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seen is some of the shadow aspects, the ego aspects
of the personality belonger that our souls are. On the
other side, we tend to evolve, if you will, and
leave some of those traits behind. For example, there was
a reading I did for a family and the father
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when he first made his transition, he was still, you know,
very dry. He was still very strict and a little
bit ornery, if you will. That was his personality, all right.
If I had described him any other way, they would
have said, you do not have my father there. But
over the years I have witnessed him evolving, and the
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personality in the essence of his soul has evolved along
with it, and it's really cool to witness that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Well, it's similar to our evolution here. I mean, what
we were like as teenagers is not hopefully hopefully. I've
met some very I've met some very interesting forty year
olds who still act like teenagers. But generally we evolve
from those things, So I would imagine that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Also, I guess it's almost like.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
A residue that's connected to the spirit that after you
in this in this in this coat and this body
for such a long time that it takes a minute
for you to kind of let go of a lot
of that on the other side.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Does that make sense.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
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Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yes, absolutely exactly what happens.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Now between because you feel energy, I'm assuming you feel
energy with people living and deceased. What is the difference
between the energy readings of someone who's deceased versus the
energy readings of a human person who you're just sitting
in the room with.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Actually, it's pretty much the same. And you know, you
hear some psychic mediums that will say it's the same
type of reading, and I will disagree a little bit
simply because with mediumship we do have to raise our
vibrational frequency to be able to meet those in the
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frequency that they're residing in. But energetically, when I teach
my students to read energy, whether we're reading the energy
of the person sitting in front of us or reading
the energy of the person in the other world, that
part is one hundred percent the same.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Now, after doing so many readings over the years, I
assume that there's been moments that you've had to give
the client some bad news. How do you handle giving
someone bad news?
Speaker 3 (52:14):
And that news like you're dying next week.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
I assume a good medium or a good psychic would
never say anything like that, and I would agree with what.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
You said before.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
If you hear something like that, runaway, that's not a
they would never say that because that completely alters your
timeline and right alters your free will. But other bad news,
how do you handle doing that?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
You know? I love teaching this. I call it the
art of message delivery in my classes alics, because there
is an art form to it. And you know, we
as psychics and mediums, we have a responsibility to be
able to deliver messages in a compassionate way, you know.
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But sometimes there are hard truths, you know. Sometimes there
are things that we may or may not be ready
to face. And so I'll give you one example. I
will give you a couple because sometimes my spirit team
will tell me something, but in the same breath they
will say, this person is not ready to hear that yet.
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So I may drop a little breadcrumb, if you will,
from the other world. There was an occasion that I
was doing a reading and I was actually still living
in southern California at the time, and a client came
to me for to ask about she and her husband's business. Okay,
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had nothing. She was not asking about relationship issues, and
it came through that her husband was having an affair.
So I asked my team do I deliver this information?
And I was told no, human ego Jill argued, and
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this is all happening, you know, simultaneously, because the ego
part of myself was saying, but once she finds out,
and she will find out, she's going to say you
were inaccurate, you were wrong. And my spirit team says,
that doesn't matter. It's not about you. She is not
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here to hear this message, and she's not ready to
hear it, and when she's ready, the truth will be
revealed in its own time. So in that scenario, I
did not even drop a breadcrumb because I did not
feel it was appropriate. But there have been other times
if someone asked about that. If someone says, you know,
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is my girlfriend or wife or husband cheating? You know,
I will tune into the energy in that moment, and
if I do feel that there has been some type
of infidelity, sometimes I will say, well, energetically, I feel
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that there's more than two people in this relationship. It's
one way that I've been able to, you know, not
one of these shock in all psychics, Alex. You know,
I've been to those psychics before. When I was in
my twenties. I went to one in Florida and she
was looking in her crystal ball and I had just
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moved there with my new boyfriend from college, and I
was so excited, and literally she looked at the crystal
ball and looked up and said, your boyfriend's cheating on
you and you need to leave now. And I was
just in shock. You know. Was she right? Yes, she
was right, but was already you know, I still had
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some karma to balance with that person. And so that's
kind of what that's why training is so important. It's
one of my soapbox moments is you know our untrained psychics.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
And mediums, well there is also I mean, and and
this this comes up with the concept of karma and
and you know, paying for things you do in the lifetime.
Even psychic mediums are not all beloved it but beloved.
Then I can't say the word bell nevolent thank you,
because just like as you said, if you give that
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kind of information, you've screwed up the timeline and of
that person.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
So you're you've.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Taken you've literally taken the opportunity that they wanted to
do in this life, working out karma with a partner
or something like that, and that builds negative karma for
the psychic if they're not if they're not careful.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (56:42):
One? And we we have psychics and mediums truly have
a responsibility and you know it's it's it's an honor
to do this work. But like you said, everyone on
this planet has a blueprint, everyone has karma, everyone has
soul growth opportunities, and it is not our right of
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psychics to rip that away from someone before they're they're ready.
You know, that's just not okay in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Right, it's the it's the equivalent of you being born
with massive strength and size and you becoming a bully
versus becoming a protector. It is, Yes, it's your responsibility
to do something with the power that you've been given.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Absolutely, And I love that you said not all psychics.
You know, we can have the gift of psychism, we
can have the gift of mediumship. But does that mean
that we resonate with a high vibrational frequency. Absolutely not.
There's there's some psychics and mediums out there who who
do not do their own shadow work. You know, I've
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seen that in my world. Are they accurate, Yes, but
do they work on their own soul's evolution? Because we
all have a shadow side, we all have opportunities to
grow and expand and involve ourselves.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Let me ask you from your from your point of view,
where do you see humanity going in the next year,
two years, three years.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
I've heard so.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Many different different but yet the same ideas of where
we're all kind of going as a species, as a
as a consciousness. But I'd love to hear your point
of view of the information you've gone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:29):
Absolutely, I do feel that there's several different timelines. And
the way that I like to explain it is wherever
we are vibrating in our in our own spirit, in
our own soul, that is how we are going to
perceive what is coming up to in front of us. Okay,
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So I'll give you an example. Have you ever seen
that where somebody could look at something and say that
is blue, and the other person says, no, it's clearly orange,
and in their reality that they're both they're truths, okay.
And so years ago I did the annual predictions. I
would post them on my website and and and the
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accuracy rate was was pretty I out there. But after
a time I started feeling like that it was promoting
fear and negativity in a lot of ways, and because
a lot of the predictions weren't necessarily rainbows and unicorns, right,
So my team encouraged me to stop putting the predictions
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out there. However, that doesn't mean that we stop receiving
the information. It's kind of like in readings. So what
I will say is this what I have been shown
is yes, there's a lot of changes coming. I do
feel like there's a spiritual warfare going on and on
many different levels between the light in the in the dark.
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I do we see a lot of earth changes coming. However,
the good news is I do see more of the
masses waking up to the fact that we are more
than our physical bodies. And my prediction is literally by
the year twenty twenty five. And timing is sometimes challenging,
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but I feel like at least half of the population
is going to have some sort of belief system that's
different from the dogmatic control system. And what I have
also seen is that we are being given choice points,
and that was what COVID was about as well. Alex
(01:00:44):
In twenty nineteen and November twenty nineteen, I was shown
that there was an event coming that would change humanity forever,
and that we would never go back to the way
things were, to the norm.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I was not told that it was a virus, but
I was told that it would affect everyone on the planet.
And I actually grieved and cried about it for about
a week because I could feel humanity and I was
shown the division that it was going to create. And
the way that my team showed me the vision was
(01:01:27):
they showed me two trains and they said, you know,
you're either going to be on this train or this train.
And as the trains are going down the track, you
can still look out the window and see some of
your friends and family members on the other track. However,
there's going to come a point in time where the
trains go in different direction and they depart, and that
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was very sad to me that, you know, there was
a lot of grieving that took place because I had
a knowing that that was true, and so part of
that experience was the division. I do see some more
of that coming, but honestly, it's an opportunity for humanity
to go within and use our discernment. You know, when
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I did a channeling right after COVID, he had to
believe it was maybe March or April and twenty twenty.
The channeling said, remember your sovereignty, because that's what it's
all about, our sovereignty, our divinity, and not allowing someone
else to control us, to tell us what we should
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or should not do, what we should or should not believe.
So I feel like there's some opportunities coming for that,
but I do see more and more people opening up,
and I see them opening up to more holistic health
as well. I feel the pharmaceutical industry waning away. So
that's great news for any of you out there who
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are holistic practitioners, whether you're health coaches or trainers, or psychics, mediums, astrologers, channelers,
and it's been difficult or challenging with abundance, Please don't
give up, because more and more people are waking up
to the fact that we have it all within ourselves.
(01:03:23):
You know, we have the ability to heal ourselves. We
have the ability to know our own authentic truth and
to peel those onion layers back and to remember our divinity.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
And that excites me, beautifully said, my dear beautifully said.
Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions.
Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Ask, oh, my deah, what is your definition of living
a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Finding joy? Finding joy and also remembering to live in
the now, in the now moment.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and talk to little Jill, what advice would you give her.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
To not give a damn what other people think or
say about me or.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Us fair enough? How do you define God or source energy?
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
We are we are all God. We are all one
with the Creator.
Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
What is the old?
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Uh? What is love?
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Love is expansion? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
To find our authentic truth?
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Beautify said? And where can people find out more about you?
Pick up your book and get about more information about
what you do in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Www dot Jill M Jackson dot com and my events
are on there. I'm going to be in southern California
in March doing some events there, and my husband and
I lead spiritual retreats as well. We are it's the
Full Moon Wisdom of the Heart Retreat in Stone Hinge
in June, so we have a few spots open for that,
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but they can find me on Jillimjackson dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
And Jill, do you have any party messages for the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Use your discernment and face face the ego, you know,
face the shadow. It's it's not fun, you know, part
of awakening and and finding our gifts that the fun
part is learning to be able to tap into the
other world. But there's another flip side of that, and
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it's it's our shadow and our ego, and it's really
important to find that balance. And because we all have
a shadow and a dark, you know, a light in
a dark within each one of us, and it's important
to embrace both.
Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Jill, it's been such a pleasure talking to you, my dear.
Thank you for being on the show and for the
work that you do in the world helping enlighten and
raise our vibrations. I appreciate you, my dear.
Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Thank you for having me Alex, and thank you for
the work you do.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I want to thank Jill so much for coming on
the show and sharing her insights with all of us.
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