BONUS MONDAYS: TRANSFORM Your Life with Ho'Oponopono: The Secret Unveiled! with Joe Vitale

Dr. Joe Vitale is a spiritual teacher best known for his appearance in the movie, The Secret. Joe is the author of far too many books to mention here.

Here are just a few of them:

He wrote the bestseller, The Attractor Factor: 5 Easy Steps for Creating Wealth (or anything else) from the inside out. It became a #1 bestseller twice, even beating the latest Harry Potter book.

He also wrote Life’s Missing Instruction Manual: The Guidebook You Should Have Been Given at Birth. It, too, became a #1 bestseller and was picked up by WalMart.

One of his most popular titles, Zero Limits: The Secret Hawaiian System for Wealth, Health, Peace, and More reflects an ancient Hawaiian practice, known as Ho’oponopono. A fan favorite, Joe has hosted multiple live events on the subject, nation-wide, and he has created quite a following on this title alone.

"You are the Michelangelo of your own life. The David you are sculpting is you."

Enjoy my inspirational conversation with Dr. Joe Vitale.


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Episode Transcript

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guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Have you ever wanted to attract more money

(01:40):
into your life? Well, today's guest is going to help
you do just that.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
We have on the.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Show Joe Vitelli, who is best known for his appearance
in the movie Secret. He's also the author of The
Attractor Factor, Five Easy Steps to Creating wealth or anything
else from.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
The inside out.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Joe is a prolific writer too many books to name
this intro, as well as many musical CDs, audio programs,
and coaching programs. I mean, he is a force of nature.
And Joe and I sat down and had a wonderful
conversation not only about creating more wealth in your life,

(02:25):
but we also discussed the secret Hawaiian system for health, wealth, peace,
and more. This is by far one of my favorite
conversations on the show to date. So let's dive in.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'd like to welcome to.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
The show, Joe the TYLEI how you doing, Joe doing great?
Thank you so much for being on the show. My friend,
I've I watched you. I was introduced to you obviously
by met the way many people were introduced to you
by watching The Secret all those many years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And I am I am of an a dad.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I remember how big of a deal The Secret was
when I was still is still huge secret.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
But I mean it was like it was in Costco.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I remember walking in cost that's everything.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
As I saw a DVD set was like The Secret.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I'm like, holy cow, it is.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It has arrived.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is at Costco. Yeah, it's still going around the world.
It's still seen people who didn't know anything about it.
It's still getting cultures to wake up to a principle
that's been around for a very long time. So the
movie has done well for being out there for about
sixteen years.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, it's it's it's a pretty good documentary series, kind
of documentary film. Yeah, most most documentaries don't have the
life fan of sixteen years.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Plus, tell me about it. I was in about twenty
other movies after The Secret, most of which you never
heard of. Even the title let alone saw the movie
exactly what it was doing.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now, let me ask you, can you tell me your
origin story? How did you get started down this path
and in this kind of work, because I'm assuming when
you were five you didn't go, hey, this is the path.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
No, it was closer to seven. But when I was five,
my father had me working on the railroad doing labor.
And I mean that very literally, intentionally, consciously. It was
the truth. He wanted his son to know what it
was like to earn money, and for him, it was labor.
So five years old, I go to work with my father,

(04:31):
but I didn't know what I was going to be
doing for the next decade and a half. I remember
thinking I don't want to do this. I don't want
to do this, which led to me exploring what did
I want to do? I was, and still am in
love with books. So along the way, even though I
thought about all these different personalities I can be in
vocations I could have, I did early on decide I

(04:54):
wanted to be an author. And of course there's no
such thing as an overnight success unless you redefined overnight
as something like thirty years, because that's pretty much what
it took me to get anywhere near my first publication
and begin the road, the hard road, to get noticed

(05:14):
and be able to make a living from it. So
I did start early. Maybe not at five, but I
was laboring at five.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You were laboring at five.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
But when you discovered you're kind of calling your kind
of pathy, you were going to choose how old were
you when you decided that?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Probably twelve or thirteen years old. And it was because
of all the reading I was doing that I was
led to be more introspective. And it was also because
I was so unhappy growing up doing things that my
father wanted to us to do. It was an ex marine,
he was a Paris fighter, he was fresh out of
the Marine Corps. He was a laborer. He was very physical, domineering.

(05:50):
He wasn't pleasant. It wasn't pleasant to be around. And
so my mind went to, oh, I can be an actor.
I can be a baseball player. I can be an attorney,
I could be a private detective, most of which were
influencing me from the television shows I was watching at
the time. But when I looked around and said, wait
a minute, books like even look right behind me. Now

(06:12):
that's not a green screen. Those are real. These are
my books, these are my friends, these are my babies,
these are my relatives, these are my relied on allies.
They were then and they are now. So I would
really say twelve thirteen years old saying, you know, I'm
going to write now.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Were you homeless at one point in time?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I was probably around nineteen seventy seven in Dallas, Texas,
And all of this was in the pursuit of a dream.
I wasn't into drugs or alcohol or doing anything that
was self aborting. I was trying to follow a dream
and along the way because there were so many limiting beliefs,
so many issues that I had to recover from, I

(06:54):
self sabotaged myself into being homeless in Dallas, Texas and
in poverty for a been ten years after that in Houston, Texas.
So I know what it's like to struggle. I know
what it's like to starve. I know what it's like
to have sleepless nights. I know what it's like to
go through the dark nights of the soul that don't

(07:15):
seem like they're ever going to end.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
How did you How did you keep going during those days?
Because I mean being being in, being in that world.
I mean, look, it's it's really easy to speak about
spirituality and finding your bliss when you're in a comfortable place,
but when you're in an uncomfortable place for not only
for a little bit. But it seems you said, ten
years of poverty, how did you keep going every day?

(07:40):
Because I know a lot of listeners listening right now
are in dire straits, some of them and want to
know how you kept going.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That's a beautiful question. And I love how you are
sincerely and politely probing because that was not a party.
That was not Those were not good times. And I
did almost take my life when I had a shotgun
and I went and used it. I fired it to
be sure it worked. Then the next thing I was
going to aim it on was me. And the thing

(08:09):
that stopped me. And this is what I attributed to
was curiosity. It was curiosity. I kept thinking, what if
it all changes tomorrow? What if it changes next week
or next month or even later in the year. And
I ended all I pulled the plug now by my
own hand. What will I have missed out on? And

(08:29):
thank God that curiosity kept me going because I've had
a life that I that guy never dreamed of that guy,
never imagined he just wanted to be published, to learn
a living from it. To have the kind of levels
of success in all the different areas I've had was
profoundly otherworldly. It was surreal and would be to that

(08:52):
person back then. So I would say the first thing
that kept me going was curiosity, and the second thing
was I was on another interview fairly recently and they said,
what's the one thing that always works. You've written all
these books, and you've read all these books, and you've
done this, and you've done that out of your entire career.
What's the one thing that always works. I was a
little frustrated because I'm thinking, there's lots of things that work,

(09:13):
and there's a lot of things you need to do.
But they backed me into a corner, and I remember
thinking and saying, Yeah, there is one thing. It's the
one thing I utilized even in homelessness and in poverty.
The one thing that beats talent. It's the one thing
that beats luck. It's the one thing that beats connections.
It's one thing that beats all the things we think

(09:34):
we need to have the money, the resources, and everything
else will use as excuses most of the time. And
that one thing is persistence. Persistence. I was freaking persistent.
I got up every day and I wrote, I sent
my manuscripts out. You got to remember, it's before the internet.
You had to print them out, you had to put
them at or type them. This was what I was doing,

(09:56):
typing them, typing up extra copies of them, putting in
Manila envelope, sending them out, and waiting three weeks to
three months to six months to get your rejections ladder,
and then being devastated, then having to do the inner
repair work, boost myself back up again, go back to persistence,
send it out again, and go through the whole cycle
over and over and over and over and over again.

(10:21):
So curiosity and persistence.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, And I can feel you because I've had to
deal with that in my industry, which is the film industry,
being a.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Film director and all that. As you can imagine, not
an easy business to be in.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
All right, I can only imagine. I've been trying to
make a movie of one of my books for about
ten years. It's finally happening this year. But the point
is it took forricking ten years.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Oh and that's fast in our business, in the film industry,
that's fast.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, it took thirty some years for my first book
was nineteen eighty four. And so if I decided to
be an author in the sixties, because born in nineteen
fifty three, think of how long it's book. And nineteen
eighty four was the first book which came and went.
There wasn't another book for another ten years after that.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
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And now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You just kept this, but you just kept going.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
That's what I find so fascinating, the resilience of your spirit.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You just like, I got no other choice.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I have to kind of keep going on this path.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I've been on the railroad since I was five years old.
I wasn't gonna go I was gonna go do that.
That was not the backup plan.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So that was so that was for you, the thing,
the motivating factor going. If I don't keep doing this,
I'm gonna have to go back to the railroads. And
I'm not going to go back to the railroad. So
even the worst day of me trying to get my
degree is the best day of this flake.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Being in a railroad track well, and I do vividly
remember doing labor work, and it was all labor. I'm
not running a machine or something. I'm spiking spikes into
railroad ties by hand, which is amazing exercise. You get
giant shoulders and everything. But at the same time I
hated it. I remember thinking to myself and daydreaming. I

(12:17):
guess in a way, I was practicing visualization before I
knew the power of visualization, because I was mental imaging
myself into a different life, into a different lifestyle, into
the vocation of being an author and making my money
that way. And I did tell the people around me,
and they just good naturally, were like, hey, yeah, go
for it, never thinking, never got to get published. You

(12:40):
know you're going to be here next week, tampanized and
pounding the spikes in just like the rest of us.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Now, did you remember listening to an interview of yours
years ago?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Do you self published now?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Do you through your own publishing company or do you
have a publishing company? How does that work?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Now? Yeah? I've been published in every way, shape and
form that you can imagine, from print on demand and
to the digital, to the traditional, to the self published,
the vanity published. Boy, do I have a data bank
of stories and information about how to do it? I
would say these days, I tend to do it myself.
I use Amazon's publishing program. It's very easy. Anybody can

(13:15):
be in print on Amazon, write your book and upload it,
you know, using their formatting software, with a cover and everything,
and you're listed on Amazon the next day. The problem
with that is you're only listed on Amazon. There's no marketing,
and nobody's ever heard of you, So nobody's going to
buy the book and you'll just die and it will die.

(13:36):
But because of my career and the list I have
and the following I have, and whatever brand I have
and whatever followers I have, if I put a book
on Amazon, it sells, and I can usually even make
it a bestseller with a couple notices on social media
and a couple email. So unless the publisher comes to
me and really offers a lot of money to publish

(13:59):
my next book demonstrating that they're going to actually market it,
I just as soon marked it myself and publish it myself.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's exactly what I did with my first book. My
first book had a publisher. I saw the first check.
I'm like, give me the book back, and they were
nice enough to give me the book back. And I've
self published all of them, and it's I do the
exact same thing, and it's but I have an audience.
I'm able to push it myself.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Without the marketing, you can't do anything.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Now, Now, how did you get involved with the secret?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah? I had written a book called The Attractor Factor.
And that book had its own story and its own
evolutionary process. But it got noticed that New York Times
wrote about it. It became one of my first bestsellers
on Amazon, way back in the early days. And this
was two thousand and four, two thousand and five, and
a woman in Australia had been given a copy of

(14:48):
The Attractor Factor. She read it, liked it, and she
called me up and she said, I'm a movie producer
TV producer in Australia. I want to make a movie
about the law of attraction, which is what my book
was about. She said, I read your book and I'd
like you to be in the movie. And I thought
she was a flake. I mean, I would get phone
calls from people with big ideas and I would encourage them,

(15:11):
and then I never hear from them sure, and you know,
most people don't take any action, and I just figured
she's going to be the same. So I was very
polite and very professional and just said, you know, if
you get it together and you raise some funds and
you got a script, and you actually go to do this,
give me a call, never thinking i'd hear from her.
A month later. She didn't give me a call, and
I was so busy I almost didn't go into the movie,

(15:33):
but she talked me into it. She said, I want
to fly into Chicago. I was in the Austin, Texas area.
I'll fly into Chicago. I only need two hours of
your time, and I'll fly you right back first class,
first class travel. You won't be gone the whole day
at all. I reluctantly agreed, But of course I am
very glad I agreed because this movie ended up shattering

(15:54):
records and making history. And for whatever reason, there's twenty
four teachers in the movie. I somehow ended up being
one of the four or five that seemed to be
the most memorable. I don't really know why, but I'm
grateful for that part, and I'm grateful for the movie.
I'd endorse it. I'd promote it whether I was entered

(16:14):
or not. So the short answer is I was invited
because of a book I wrote.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Now, well, I mean that's how a lot so many
people were introduced to you as by the Secret that
we said earlier. And I remember watching it and it
blew my mind. It was the first time I'd ever
heard of the concept of the law of attraction and
all of that. I have to ask you about a
little bit about money. There's so many myths around money.
Are there some myths that you want to kind of
debunk here about money and wealth?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Oh? God, yes, I've written several books on money. I've
become a bit of the money whisperer in a sense
where I because I went through so much with the
homelessness and with the poverty, and with the self reflection
and the inner work, I unearthed a whole lot of
the beliefs we have as a humanity that we're sharing.

(17:04):
And I've written several books. They're waking Millionaire talks about it,
Money Love Speed talks about it. Attract Money Now talks
about it, and the Secret to Attracting Money talks about it.
I have a new book coming out, The Abundance paradigm
talks about it. What is that half a dozen books
despite my audio programs and everything. So let me say
a couple of things there. There is a key belief,

(17:27):
a key belief that is shared by virtually everybody on
the planet when it comes to money. And this belief
is in our collective unconscious. It's in our subconscious mind,
our unconscious mind, collective unconscious, depending on what psychology you
assign on to. It's in our consciousness. And I've been
to every country. The last one before COVID hit was Iran,

(17:49):
and I was in Russia before that, Ukraine before that,
pauland Italy. Every single country has this. I saw it
from stage and so I'm going to demonstrate it and
then we're going to explain it away so people could
be free right now, okay, So if I can have
the floor for just a moment, absolutely, first, thank you
very kind to do this, because this is great for

(18:10):
the people watching. Money is the root of all you
and everybody here just said evil. Money is the root
of all evil. So let's stop and think about this.
We have that phrase as a belief in our consciousness.
Money is the root of all evil. Do we want evil?
Do we want evil, we don't want evil. We're going

(18:32):
to keep it away. We'll self sabotage ourselves into an
attempt to keep money away from us. We won't say
we're self sabotaging. We'll say, oh, the economy's bad, COVID's
interrupting things, the president's bad, vaccinated people unvaccinated people will
blame something or someone, but we won't look at our

(18:53):
own belief system. And it's our own belief system that's
keeping money away. And when I've done one on one
work with people, I would point out, have you ever
noticed that you do get money? But usually in the
nick to time? The money comes in, It squeaks in
under the door, You write your check for your rent
or your house payment, or whatever it happens to be,

(19:13):
and then you broke again. Why you didn't want evil
in your life? You had to have it come through
long enough to go pay your bills. But when evil
showed up, you got rid of it. So what do
we do about this? We got to clean but clear
the belief from our consciousness. The way to do this
is with an explanation. The first part of the explanation

(19:33):
is money is the root of all evil. Is a
fragment of a longer phrase. And both of the phrases
are from biblical literature, which to me means they're suspect.
They've already been downloaded and translated and popularized and retranslated,
and we don't even know what the hell was originally
meant at all. But if we go with what's been
fed into our minds over history, we think money is

(19:57):
the root of all evil. The longer phrase is the
of money is the root of all evil. Well that's
a little bit better, because now we're not making money
the problem. We're making love the problem. So what I
have found out and what I teach people is you
don't want to love money. One of my favorite teachers
was Arnold Pattent, and Arnold Patten said, I'm pausing for

(20:18):
theatrical emphasis here. The sole purpose of money is to
express appreciation. The sole purpose of money is to express appreciation.
It is not about loving money. It is not about
hoarding money. It is not about just desiring money. Money

(20:39):
is a wonderful tool. Money is a hammer, it is
a pen. It is anything that we use to get
something done. But money in and of itself is meaningless.
It is just paper. It is just coin. We're the
one projecting survival and projecting solutions and everything else to ourselves.
So we want to realize that at all you have

(21:01):
to do is appreciate money. Now, when I first heard
the Arnold Patton quote, I thought, well, surely there's an
exception to that.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
The sole purpose of money is to express appreciation. That
can't be right. And then I started thinking, well, wait
a minute. When I pay the utility bill, I'm grateful
to have lights. When I pay a house payment, and
I'm grateful to have a roof didn't have one for
the longest time. When I make I'm a car guy,
so I love cars. If I'm making a car payment
or an insurance payment for the car, I'm grateful to

(21:39):
have the car. I'm grateful to have the insurance. So
this completely flips our relationship to money, and this will
free us to be able to allow it to come in.
Whether you think you're attracting it, you're achieving it, you're
earning it, you're working for however it's coming now, you're
free to welcome it.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
As simple as that. But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean so many times, so many people. I mean,
I mean I've had a dysfunctional relationship with money. Most
of us have had a dysfunctional relationship with money unless
you're raised in an environment that has a different kind
of a different kind of appreciation with money, Like I
even have money.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Of my daughters is like, I love money. I'm like, no, no, no,
I go.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
First of all, you want for nothing.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
You want for nothing.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
If I gave you a million dollars, you will even
know what to do with it. And she's like, I know,
but I just want it. I go, no, I think
you want something else. And we start digging into why
she wants money. Is like, what is it for? Is
it the power?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Is it the control?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
What is it? So you start digging in.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
But these are conversations that I definitely didn't have a
ten year sold up.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
You didn't have those either.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No. My father told me growing up. He says, the
best way to double your money was to fold it
over and put it back in your pocket. Jesus, And
I thought, I thought, my dad, that's a genius. That
is so smart. Double my money, put it back. It
wasn't until poverty and homelessness.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
That check didn't work, that check didn't.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
When I start questioning it and going, wait a minute,
maybe he was wrong. He was born in the Great
Depression that really influenced him. No wonder he wanted to
fold the money over and put it back. And the
other thing he said was the best friend you can
have in your life is a dollar bill in your pocket.
All of this was scarcity thinking. All of this was
lack of limitation thinking. All of this was contaminated prosperity thinking.

(23:32):
And yet, and this is what we all go through.
We download this from our parents. We're not conscious enough
to judge whether this is a useful bit of advice
or not, and we end up living on our entire lives,
often struggling, and often never even realizing it, never having
the wake up until if we're lucky, there's a moment
like today with you, you're showing me and people go,

(23:54):
wait a minute, what my parents said? Maybe that should
be question. Oh, then you step towards freedom.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I know absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I mean I was raised with I was raised with
my parents constantly having lack of this and the rush
like money is hard to get and struggle and you
have to struggle to this and struggle with that. So
that was the mentality. So I just knew, you know,
not at an early age, I was hustling. I was
ten eleven years old, I had garage sales making money.
I was like, and I was I was always hustling hard,

(24:24):
and I never actually took my wife years later just
tell me you need to slow change your hustle because
you're still hustling to pay the bills.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
But you need to.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
You need to hustle the larger picture. You can't hustle
just a ten five dollars into ten dollars. That's nice,
great skill to have, but you can't scale that, and that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Good advice can't scale that.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
And I was like, because right now, even when I
go out to a garage sale or something like that,
I'll look and I'll take the Amazon app out just
to see what it's really tailing on the EBA four
what's it?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
And my wife's looking at me. I'm like, I'm just checking.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm just checking old habits and hard to break.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I'm not gonna My time's better spent somewhere else, like
speaking to you, So should I speak to you for
an hour, or should I be on Amazon trying to
flip fifty dollars into one hundred dollars for an hour?
That's the that's the question and depends on where you are.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
In your life.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
But it is a lesson that's taken me a long
time to learn to turn it, to turn it, turn,
to turn off the hustle, or at least to refocus
the hustle a little bit. Now, is there a way
to transform money into a spiritual tool? Because there's such
this belief of if you're rich, you can't be spiritual,
because the idea of heavy spirituality is of the poor,

(25:42):
the yogi, the priest, that is, you know, devout and
to a certain extent, there is I understand that position
of the religious, uh, not religious, but just of the
spiritual seekers. There are those people, but there's no reason.
Some of the most spiritual people in the world have
been very wealthy and has done an immense amount of

(26:02):
good in the world, not just for them but for
society at large. So how can you transform money into
spiritual into a spiritual tool?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I have so much to say about that I can
almost not sit in my seat, so like I want
to jump out and go strangle everybody and to shape them. Look,
the greatest spiritual teachers of all time used money. They
used money, whether it was Mother Teresa flying around and
asking very wealthy people for money, for more money, and

(26:33):
then channeling it to where she wanted it to go,
or at deep pak Chopra building an empire of his
own and acquiring money and selling product and services and
all of this throughout history they brought in money, they
may have acted like, well, it's not mine, it's not mine.
I'm using it for something else, And there is some

(26:54):
truth to that, because what they're using it for is
their mission. And that's the way we want to think
about money. When we start thinking about money as a
tool to enable us to fulfill our dreams or our
life mission, or our spiritual calling or our heartfelt desire
to make a difference in some way, then it's really

(27:15):
cool to bring money in and you're a steward for
it to direct it where it needs to go. Now,
in the book I wrote called The Awakened Millionaire, I
say that what we really want the awakened millionaire is
the person who is spiritual and material, who realizes they're
two sides of the same fricking coin. It's not dismissing

(27:36):
one or the other. And in fact, there's many quotes
about people who say that money is evil or they're
dismissing it because they're taking a vowel of poverty. There's
a spiritual snobbery that's coming from those people. And in fact,
one of the sneakiest versions of the ego is the
spiritual ego who acts like it's better than everybody else.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm somebody who I'm so much more spiritual than you, Joe.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That's my ego.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's the spiritual ego. And you know exactly what I'm
talking about. I'm sure many of the people that are
watching know what I'm talking about. Here. I went to
an event decades ago. It was to hear Ram Das speak,
who was one of the greatest storytellers of all time.
And I had gone with a friend who I don't
know what ever happened to him, but we were talking
about characters and personalities and Ramdass is he in spiritual?

(28:26):
Is he enlightened? Is he whatever? And my friend said,
you know, none of us are here without an ego.
And I never forgot It's true. I never forgot it.
It caused me to always look not so much within
other people, but to look within myself and to see
what my reasons and what my rationale are to do

(28:48):
things in various books of mine, and I think it's
in The Awaken Millionaire. I quote Walt Disney, who Walt
Disney said, he said, I want to make money from
my movies so I can continue making movies. Right. That's it.
That is the heartfelt, spiritually driven approach. I want to

(29:10):
make money from my books so I can continue writing books.
I'm a musician. I got fifteen albums. I want to
make money from my music so I can make more music.
It's not about just accumulating dollars. It's about using that
money and directing it at someplace your life, mission or cause.
You believe it. From that standpoint, you completely transformed your

(29:34):
relationship to money. I mean, growing up and in railroad
days and poverty days and homeless days and all of that,
I only wanted money so I can eat to sleep.
Oh man, it was basic freaking survival. That's it. Let
me ask you. It's more like, let's make a difference,
right exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
And it's hard for people when you because I've been
there as well. I almost filed bankruptcy, I almost went
into a depression for three years, and I wrote a
whole book about my whole journey.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
But when you can't think about if your only.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Thought is like I need to eat, I need to
find roof over my head, it is very difficult to
think larger and then to break through. Let's say, after
like you, you were that ten years in poverty, it
probably took you a minute to get away from that
mindset of like I got to eat tomorrow. No, no, no,
you've got money. I've got It's like what I was
just telling you my story, I'm like, I got to
turn that five into ten. I did that for so

(30:29):
long that it was hard for me to break that
routine that because my mind was like, you need to
keep making money, keep making making money, as opposed to
sit back and go no, no, there's a larger it's
a larger game here, this is a much larger field
of play here. You're just looking at the ball, sitting
on the on the on the field, You're not looking
at the field. So how do you suggest people, you know,

(30:51):
break through that mindset that that that mindset of like
I gotta you know, the lack of bundset, and mind
you it's sometimes it is lacked because you literally can't
you have no food in your life. But generally speaking,
breaking through that one level to the next level of
mindset that can take you to another place. We'll be

(31:12):
right back after a word from our sponsor, and now
back to the show.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's a beautiful question, and I really want to give
a practical, heartfelt answer. The very first thing is to
realize that the way we're looking at the money, the
lack of limitation, and the realization at this point that
we want to go to the next level, is because
of an habitual belief system. So, in other words, we
acquired the belief system. Maybe we were kids and we

(31:43):
didn't have any choice about it at that point. We
just downloaded statements from your father. You want to double
your money, hold it over, put in your pocket, and
so it's tucked away in your brain and you keep
reinforcing it because you keep believing it. And so at
a certain point you watch the show and suddenly there's
an awakening there aha, and people go, wait a minute,
I don't have to do that, And wait a minute.

(32:03):
Money is not the root of all evil and wait
a minute, maybe I can use money to fulfill my mission.
But now we have to we have to change the
habitual thinking, and at first, like with any new habit,
there's a little bit of conscious effort to get the
ball rolling. We're starting to turn the wheel to go
in a new direction, so we have to consciously do that.

(32:25):
But we can do it fairly easily by things like
reading the books that support that, listening to the podcast
and the positive information that support that, watching the shows
like this one that support that. Anything that you take
in media wise, whether it is a movie or anything
that you are listening to music wise, you want to

(32:45):
be aware of what it's doing to your mind. This
is one of the reasons I became a musician is
that I wanted I called myself the first self help
singer songwriter, even though there's something out there before me,
and it was to help program people with the lyrics
that they were listening to. So my whole point here
is you have to become aware of what you're feeding

(33:06):
your brain, so you are intentionally feeding it the new
direction you want to go in. And now the biggest
secret of all all of this becomes a lot easier
if you're in a group. If you are in a
group of people who believe the same thing. And this
is what Napoleon Hill would call a mastermind. I love masterminds.
I wrote a book called Meet and Grow Rich with

(33:26):
Bill Hibler because they're so powerful, and a mastermind can
be done virtually in case people are still concerned about
COVID and pandemics. So you could put a mastermind together
of people who can support each other. And this is
profound because those people can help keep you up and
you can help them stay up, and that win win

(33:49):
puts you into a new state of consciousness. So all
of what I'm saying right here is the movie you
in a new direction. I guess I would say one
more thing. This is like Doctor Joe's I get tricks here.
The other thing I would do is change your environment.
I've done a lot of events where I'll tell people
at the end of it, I said, you've got to
go home, and you're inspired and you're motivated, and this

(34:11):
is just zinging with energy in your life. But you've
got to go back to the same old surroundings you've
been in for the longest time, which is going to
remind you of your same old way of being, and
it's going to remind you of your same old way
of thinking. Change something in your environment to anchor the
new you. And I don't mean move out, though in

(34:31):
some situations that might be the case. But put a
painting up, or change the carpet, or buy a piece
of furniture, or move the desk from ear over there.
Do something so unconsciously, subconsciously, every time you see it,
it's a trigger that says, Oh, I'm now the prosperous Alex,
I'm now the prosperous Joe.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
So many people out there, you know, they take a
job because they have to make a living. And listen,
we all got to make a living, and we all
have to pay our bills. We all have to have
a roof overhead and buy our food, so on and
so forth. And at a certain point when you start
off a lot of times, when you start off in life,
you take those jobs. I worked in areas of the industry,
of the film industry that and I was lucky enough

(35:11):
four or five years ago to retire from that world.
I closed my company down, like I don't want to
deal with clients anymore. I don't want to deal with
this stuff anymore. I'm going to do what I do
full time. And I did, and I was lucky enough
to do that. Took me a long time to get there,
but it should have taken me. I should have gotten
there a little bit sooner. Is there a way that
you think that you can help people transform their passions

(35:35):
into wealth, into a career, into a mission that can
fast track themselves out of where they're at into their
like nine to five.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah, start now, start now, right now today, right after
this interview, Go and do whatever the very first thing
is that moves you in the direction of making a
living from your passion. I am not saying completely run
out the door and quit your job. If that's what
you've got going, I would say that keep that going

(36:07):
right now. But you can find time. You can always
find time for what you truly want to do. You
can find time to begin whatever that business is, that
product is, that ebook is digital product, but whatever it
happens to be in every particular case. I'm fond of
quoting Theodore Roosevelt, who said, do what you can with

(36:28):
what you have right where you are.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
But Joe, I have to watch the new episodes of
this or that I don't have time to start a
new business.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, Or I don't have time.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
To start writing that book I want, or to do
that thing. I've got episodes to write. I mean I
have episodes two to TV shows. There's movies to.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
See there definitely are.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
There's so many things to do.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean Netflix alone, I can sit there for a
twenty lifetimes and never see everything they have.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
How can I break through that?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
And that's the question. I'm joking about it, but it's
the truth. So many people do that. They're like, oh,
I have no time. I'm like, how many hours a
night do you watch television?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Oh? Three or four?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
There's three or four.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
What time do you wake up?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I sleep in, wake up an hour earlier. You know,
I love what Arnold Schwartzninkers quote is like sleep faster.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, I love that quote too. Well, Look it's how
bad do you want it? I know. I was working
for an ohale company in the nineteen eighties and I
hated it. It was a job that I cried going
to work and I cried going home, and yet I
still had the desire to be an author. So I'm
off the railroad. I'm off of poverty. I'm off of homelessness,

(37:39):
but I'm not happy. I'm not happy yet because I'm
a frustrated dreamer who has this big, noble dream. I
want to write things that make a difference in people's lives.
What's wrong with that? Why doesn't the world support me
in doing that? And so I'm going to work And
it took me an hour to drive there with traffic
in Houston, an hour to drive back with traffic, and
then whatever you do when you get home to feed yourself.

(38:00):
Was living in a dump, you know. And I was
married at the time, and we're two lonely people just
trying to support each other and survived through life and
the confusion of what we were going through. And I
remember thinking, I still want to write. And I would
read stories of people like Irma Bomback, who was the
famous humor as who wrote lots of best selling books
and had a syndicated column all over the world. She

(38:23):
was a housewife raising kids when she started writing, and
she said, I would get up at four point thirty
in the morning before the family got up, and I
would do writing before she had to get over to
the kitchen and start cooking for her brats and her husband,
who all go off and do their things in the
orbit of life. She made time to do it. And

(38:44):
I remember thinking, well, if Irma Bombeck can do it,
look where she's at. Maybe this is a clue. And
so when I was at this job I hated, and
everybody at lunch went off to the fast food court
at the local mall. I stayed. There was a typewriter
there and I started typing what became my first book.
My first book was nineteen eighty four. I typed it
over lunch. I typed it on my lunch forty five

(39:08):
minute breaks that we were given back. Then. You find
a way to do it if it's important to you.
And I know you were kidding about the movies and everything.
I love great movies. I love great movies, sure, But
if I've got something that's an inspired idea that I'm
passionate about, the movie's gonna wait. It'll be there later,

(39:29):
so I can watch it next week, next month, next year,
my next life. Who cares the mission is more important?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Now you've spoken a lot about the Hawaiian the secret
Hawaiian system to wealth, health and peace.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Can you kind of touch upon that a little?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Bit.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I've heard you talk about it before.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, I've talked about it a lot because it dramatically
altered the direction of my life about fifteen years ago.
It is the Hawaiian healing method called ho opon opona
halla pon pono. Don't have to remember the word, don't
have to spell the word, but I will tell people
what it's all about. Around two thousand and three, two
thousand and four, I had heard the most remarkable story

(40:10):
of an unusual therapist who helped heal an entire ward
of mentally ill criminals. But he didn't actually work on
him in a traditional therapeutic way. He used this crazy
Hawaiian method to do it. And when I first heard
the story, I thought, if this is at all true,
the world needs to know, because if this whatever the

(40:32):
method was, actually helped mentally ill criminals, then surely it
would help you, and it would help me, it would
help family and friends. And so I went on the
quest and I found the therapist, doctor Hulen, and I
interviewed him. Then I ended up working with him. Then
we co authored a book together. Then we did three
events together and made audios, and this, that and the other.

(40:56):
Hoo is an inside out approach to chain. In the
philosophy of the Hawaiian healing system, there's really nothing on
the outside in this version of Holono.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You realize that everything that you are reacting to is
actually a projection from inside you. Or from a Carl
Jung standpoint, it would be like saying, your shadow self
is what you're condemning on the outside or reacting to,
but what you think is on the outside is actually
in you. So all of the work is done inside.

(41:42):
If there's something or somebody or some problem or some
challenge that is bothering you, irritating you, keeping you up
at night, doing whatever it's doing to you, you have
to realize that it's not that that's doing it, because
everything you're feeling isn't out there, it's here. It's all
in here. All of it is in here. So THEO
says we got to go inside, and what it wants

(42:04):
to do is change our belief system because it is
an error in perception. It's an error in perception. To
give you an example from the most dramatic example there is
when doctor Hulin was working in that metal institution. Those
patients were so unpredictable and dangerous that they were shackled

(42:25):
or sedated daily. So he's there and instead of working
with them one on one because they were pretty much unapproachable,
he looked at their charts. As he's looking at their charts,
he finds out their stories. And this is pretty unnerving.
This is Friday to thirteenth times three. These guys they
were killers, they were rapists, they were violent, they were

(42:46):
you know, they did bad things. So as doctor Huln
looks at the files, he's feeling responses, anger, rat grief, embarrassment,
change all of these things. But instead of trying to
change the therapist or the inmates, he wants to change himself.
He goes inside himself, feels what he's feeling, and then

(43:08):
he takes it to his understanding of the great something,
the divine God, the universe, cosmos, and he says, as
a kind of prayer for statements, I loved you, I'm sorry,
Please forgive me, thank you. That's it. I love you,
I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you. So inside himself

(43:30):
he's feeling his rage is embarrassment, and he's pretending he's
talking to will say the divine, and he's saying, I
love you, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, thank you, I
love you, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, thank you. It's
a petition. It's a prayer requesting the divine to cure him,
not the inmates, him as he finds inner peace by

(43:55):
doing this process. This is where the miracle takes place.
The inmates get better. The inmates get better within a
very short period of time. They don't have to be shackled,
they don't have to be sedated, and within months some
of them were pronounced normal again. Okay, you can go home,
and they let them go. This is the power of
Hollapona pono. It can be used for anything. At this point,

(44:18):
I've written three books about it. The first one with
doctor Wholen was called Zero Limits, but I've written three
books about it. I've heard everything from everybody. They've worked
on themselves, relationships with their pets, with financial issues, with
virtually everything that you can name, and they've all done
this inner work of saying I love you, I'm sorry.

(44:39):
Please are caiing me thank you to the divine in
a request to heal their perception of what they are
seeing outside.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
And it's not just doesn't work on people, but it
also works on belief systems within yourself, like about money
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
That's exactly what it's working on. It's not working on people,
it's working on their programming. Pono calls it is data.
So the data in you, which we would call beliefs
or programming or a paradigm or a mindset calls it data.
That's the belief system it's working on. It's our data

(45:15):
that needs cleaned.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So that's so so many there's so much vitriol in
the world today. It is I've never seen anything like
it in my lifetime. Where the Internet, I think in
social media has definitely amped all.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Of it up a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
The trolls, the people who write negative ideas and thoughts
and just or or start attacking people just for some
one word they say or something along with those lines.
I always find it when when someone you know, I've
been in the public eye now for you know, a
while now in my small way, and anytime I get

(45:53):
a negative review or negative comment, I feel bad for
them because I'm like, oh, you felt so bad add
about this that you needed to sit down think about
writing this and posting it to make yourself feel better
as opposed to not and I and it's it's and

(46:16):
it's like it's something within them. And I always used
to when I when I speak publicly sometimes as too filmmakers,
I'll go, uh, every how many people here know an
angry and bitter filmmaker or an angry and bitter writer.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
You know a screenwriter or writer? And you know people
raise their hand.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I go, whoever didn't writ raise their hand? You're the
angry and bitter filmmaker that everybody else knows. And and
it's so true because I was so angry and bitter
about my career not going exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
You know, we all wanted to be Steven Spielberg.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
You know, when you're writing, you want to be Stephen King.
You want to be as popular as JK Rowling, you know,
all this kind of stuff. But I found it that
it was just that inner work that you're saying, not
exactly what those that technique, which is fantastic, sounds fantastic
and I can't wait to start applying it in my life.
It's very simple, it's very sil idea.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It absolutely is simple. So if you don't mind, I
want to point out something that will help illustrate how works.
So the way you respond or responded to somebody at
least a negative comment is a very loving and rational
way of responding. In ho you wouldn't necessarily respond at

(47:25):
all because you would realize the other person in their
comment is actually coming from you in a way, they're
playing a character. If you can look at your whole
life as a movie, and everybody in it, including me
right now, we're all characters, and you unconsciously wrote this
script and you brought us all in. And this from

(47:45):
time to time will bring a plot twist and a
new character introduction, and all of this is to add
to the drama and to keep things going. So you
look on Facebook or wherever you saw the review and
there's somebody who kind of kind of hits you with
a baseball bat. Well that the whole Pono terms is
actually you hitting your self. And what the invitation would

(48:09):
be is to find out, okay, based on what they said,
how much of that do I actually believe? Do you
see we're going even deeper. We're not saying here's the
person who has a belief about my film. It is
here is a person who is voicing what my unconscious
mind feels about my film. I'm gonna give it to

(48:32):
you a different way. I was on a radio interview
with doctor Hulent. Now doctor hu Ln passed just a
few days ago, So there's some sadness in my heart
as I tell these stories that he deeply I got chills.
He deeply influenced me. We were on a radio show
and the host was kind of flippant and kind of bitter,

(48:54):
and I was embarrassed. And when we went to a break, well,
we're still on the air, I mean, we're off the air,
but we're going to come back to beer. We're on
a little break for station identification kind of a thing.
I apologized that Doctor Wholene, I said, I had no
idea that this was the nature of the show. I
didn't know that they would attack. I'm sorry for what
this guy is saying. And Doctor who Lene said, it's
not the person, it's their program. And it really kind

(49:19):
of just sliced through such all of the thinking about, oh,
this guy is an ass, you know, who is treating
both of us, treating my guru with this disrespect, and
Doctor who Len was looking like, oh, he's a cool guy,
but he's got a bad program, and instead of blaming him,

(49:40):
in all a pon of ponent, you go inside yourself
and saying, okay, I've noticed this program. Apparently I have
it because this person just bearred it for me, And
you go to you, to your connection to God, the divine,
great something, and you're saying, I love you, I'm sorry,
please forgive me, thank you, which is I'll take one
second to explain this. It's short and for a longer request.

(50:01):
You're basically saying, I'm sorry for any beliefs I have
that would have created this situation. Please forgive me for
being unconscious whether this came from my ancestors. This whole
pone oponent believes it could have come from you know,
way down the line and you inherited it or anywhere else.
Thank you for resolving this, Thank you for correcting my perception.

(50:23):
Whole pon oponent means to make right. And then I
love you for the process for my life, all of
a statement of gratitude. You can say these in any order.
You don't say them to another person. You don't usually
say them out loud. You say them inside yourself as
you're feeling whatever's going on. But you're saying them too.
You know, you called up God and you say, here's

(50:45):
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So so the deeper conversation here is what I'm because
when you were saying, is something kind of just turned
on in me?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Is that we we are.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Everything that comes towards us, where it's a election of us,
so you know it comes to us. So you know
so many times, you know, I got when I got
into a car accident when I was younger, or someone
hit me. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. There were

(51:21):
certain things going on in my life during that time
that it was just like It wasn't like I was
in a peaceful, blissful mode that I had found enlightenment
and all of a sudden I get sideswiped by a car.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It was different.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
There was a different energy that I was attracted towards me.
So when you bring these kind of people into your
life in one way, shape or form, however that might be.
Could be at a supermarket, could be on radio show,
could be a million different ways. When you bring them
into your orbit, they are a reflection of where you
are and maybe work that you need to do on yourself,

(51:54):
and if you can. It's kind of like looking at
a person as a computer. It is not if the
program is not running, what do you You don't throw
the computer against the wall. Some people do, that's it,
but other people will just go, you know what, let's
put that I want to age myself. We'll put the
CD ROM back in, install the software, boot, let's reboot

(52:16):
the software. Let's change the programming. Let's upgrade the system
and see if it's going to function in a better way.
But you're saying to do that within yourself as opposed
to trying to change someone else, because I don't know
about you, but whenever I've tried to change somebody else,
it never works out. Not once in my life has
it worked out.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, well, we can look at it like you probably
don't want somebody changing you either. I don't want anybody
coming directly me to change me either. So it all
ends up being an inside job, is you know? Before
the Secret I was known as an internet marketer and
a hypnotic copywriter and mastered the arts of persuasion and influence.
But I can tell you now, decades later, that the

(52:59):
best way to actually influence anybody is simply to inspire
them by what you're doing. So work on the inside
of us and then follow our life mission and by example,
people can see what we're doing and you know, maybe
do something different.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Now, can you give any Can you give people any
advice on how to get through these really tough times?
I mean, because this is an unprecedent time in human
history right now. You know, it is economically hurting, a
lot of people are hurting obviously physically and mentally, I
mean mentally the mental health of the world. There's never

(53:36):
been a moment in time that I can think of
in the history of humanity where the entire world is
feeling the same thing at the same time. You know,
the whole world is dealing with COVID at the exact
same moment, and we're all dealing with isolation and fear
and this and that might be different flavors of it
depending on the country you live in, but generally speaking,

(53:57):
we all are experiencing this. That's a pretty power powerful
thing that's going on, and it's going to it's going
to reverberate for generations to come. How can we deal
with these tough times? Any advice you can give us
to kind of get through these tough times.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Well, the first thing that I want to explain is
the last three years have been the worst of my life,
including homelessness and poverty. And so why do I say that. Well,
I filed for divorce three years ago, and because I
was the one filing and I knew that this would
hurt my ex, they basically offered her everything, which was
refused and instead began a persecution of my life in business.

(54:38):
As this persecution came along, which I didn't know how
to handle and didn't expect, and I'm not used to
a court system or divorce attorneys or the theater of
the justice system in quotes. And my father died, my
best friend died, family member attempts suicide. I developed a
new relationship with a woman who develops neurow lyme disease

(54:59):
and is bas on her deathbed and I'm her caretaker
during divorce and persecution and grief and all of these
other things. And I'm still traveling all over the world,
going to countries I didn't even know existed when I
was growing up and failing geography, and here I am
going there and going on stage and through all of
this COVID hits, COVID hits, and it does hit every

(55:23):
one of us differently. We're all in different boats, but
we're in the same sea going through the sea changes.
And for me, it wipes out all of my travel,
my biggest income from the speaking engagements. It's all gone,
all of this. And there were days that were agony,
fucking agony, I mean, get up, and I was trying

(55:44):
to make Instagram videos, which I do virtually every day
to give pep talks to people, and I'm still doing it,
but during that time, I'm getting up with tears in
my eyes making a one to three minute video and
then tears in my eyes again because I'm back to
the struggle that I was going through and I'm doing
hal opon opono. I'm believing I know the bag of tricks.

(56:06):
I know everything from I know the self helped teachers
and the leaders and the best selling authors out there.
I'm friends with them, which added actually to my misery
because I'm thinking, I'm the law of attraction guy. How
did I attract this? I'm the whole ponopono guy. How
come this hasn't a race yet? You know? So that
just adds more whipping and pain to what I'm already
going through. So what helped me? I went back to

(56:29):
ancient stoicism. I went back to epictitis, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca
and the Gang, most of which have been popularized by
Ryan Holliday, who's right there in Austin where you're at.
And I would, I would really take it to heart.
And these guys went through worse things than we ever did.
I mean, Marcus Aurelius definitely had a plague and he
was also trying to rule the Roman Empire at that time.

(56:53):
But they lived in very dastardly, uncertain, unpredictable, dangerous times.
So how did they get through it? All of it
was about using their mind. All of it was about
using their mind. Seneca said everything hangs on your thinking.
What has become so far My favorite quote from Seneca

(57:13):
is where he said, you have choice. You can make
things seem, and the word seem is important. You can
make things seem hard or easy or even amusing. And
I remember thinking, he said I can make them seem
that way. He didn't say I can actually change them,

(57:35):
but I can make them seem that way, which means
it's how I'm viewing them how I'm viewing it. So
I'm going through a divorce. Is that hard easy? Or amusing?
Oh it feels pretty hard? Well, could I see it
as easy? That would take a little work. But I
started working on it, and I started to say, Okay,
I got people, I got a whole team of attorneys.
I mean, I got support. People are protecting me. And

(57:58):
I didn't do anything wrong. This is all all good.
Just ride it out. And then Marcus Aurelius has a
famous quote where he says, oh goodness, I actually have
it on the wall over there, and it was about suffering.
He says, if you could hear it is, if you
can endure it, then endure it. Stop complaining. And I'd

(58:22):
go for walks at night in the dark, smoking a cigar,
talking to the cosmos, doing hoponopono, and I would ask
myself can I endure it? And I'd say I don't
want to, but I can. Well, if you can endure it,
endure it. So all of these became tools that I

(58:42):
was using, and my favorite refrain ended up being one
day at a time, it's all fine. One day at
a time, it's all fine. I still say that every
one of these days when we're still playing touch and
go with COVID and we don't know what's happening. There's
still so much uncertainty and nobody knows the facts with
any sort of agreed the authority. So I use things

(59:04):
like that the mindset, and I will give you one more.
So all of this is about you have choice on
how you view what's going on. You have options on
how you pick your choice. We also have the Internet,
which is which has been the saving grace. Look what
we're doing right now by using zoom zoom. Whoever invented
zoom is probably a billionaire or should be at this point.

(59:25):
All those times when people said, boy, if I had
the time to write, or I had time to open
my business, or I had the time to learn how
to play the saxophone, or I had time to learn
how to speak Polish, you can do it.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
You're at home. You got the computer. It's all free YouTube, Google,
all of it. That's all free there, so you can
go ahead and apply it. And then the other thing
I would say, and it's gonna seem silly at first,
but this I mean this with the utmost sincerity. I
play the Pollyanna Glad Game. The Pollyanna Glad Book came

(59:59):
out in nineteen thirteen. I think it was the greatest
self improvement book of all time. It's a children's story.
Most people have seen the movie or one of the movies.
There's been several with Hailey Mills and Mary Pickford and
somebody else. And it's all about a little girl who
learned to play the glad game because she was struggling.
She had been in poverty, she lost her father, she

(01:00:19):
was abandoned, she was an orphan. She's adopted, plays a
glad game. The glad game is you look for something
to be happy about. You look for something that is
good in every person and in every situation, because it's
always there. Now, some people have criticized Pollyanna, saying, oh,
don't be a Pollyanna, she's got her head in the sand.
That wasn't true at all. In fact, the author, Helen Porter,

(01:00:41):
had said at one point Pollyanna was very much in
touch with reality. She knew when things were bad. She
was hit by a car at one point in the
book and she has to buck up and double take
and regroup in order to keep going. She knew when
things were bad, but she also knew that even in

(01:01:02):
the bad, We'll say, even in COVID, there is always something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
To be glad about, to be positive about that there
is good that you can build on. All of this
is the nature of an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
For you, A fantastic answer it is, sir. Now I'm
going to ask you a couple of questions. I ask
all of my guests, what is your mission in this life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
To inspire people to go for and achieve their dreams?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
And why are we here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
As humanity?

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
As humanity? Why are we here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Why have we been chosen to come down here and
or up here wherever it is, and and play this
game and and and and be parts in Like Shakespeare says,
the world is a stage and we are much all
only actors. I feel, I so feel that it's so true. Now,
It's like we all are just actors playing a part.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
This isn't real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
We are not in a human experience where we're a
spirit having a human experience as opposed to a human
having a spiritual experience.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And all these kind of things I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Truly truly believe that, and the older I get, the
more these things start to open themselves up to me.
You start seeing these things a lot clear. But I'd
love to hear your point of view. Why do you
think that we're here playing this this part.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
This game, if you will, We are the divine awakening
to our own divinity. And what I mean by that is,
we are the divine itself who wanted to experience lack
of limitation and awakening. So we come in to this
world experience to enjoy the struggle and the drama, and

(01:02:57):
along the way learn how to awaken to the divinity
that we began with. It's almost like a game, much
like a football game. At the beginning, you know, there's
two sides, both a praying to God, and you know,
if God granted both wishes, it would just be a tie.
And it's just for them to go through the experience

(01:03:17):
of playing that game, getting to the end of the game,
and then celebrating.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
It's kind of like go ahead, no, go ahead, no.
It's kind of like actors. If actors would play a
part in a movie, and you know when they and
they could be doing very bad things in a movie.
They could be playing villains, they could be killing people,
they could be doing all this kind of stuff, and
yet when they say cut, they can go back to

(01:03:45):
another place. And let's say that's the divine where the
acting part is. But we are stuck believing that we
are whatever we are the part that we play in
the movie. And if you understand that this is a movie,
you understand that we are all actors and we're here
for the different type of experiences that I believe that
we've chosen these experiences because we need to learn these

(01:04:07):
different kinds of lessons. And you know, well, you know,
having an experience as a woman in the forties is
a lot different than having an experience as a woman
here and having it being living in America is very
different than.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Living in Africa and so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
There's so many.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Different experiences that we can have. But you know, it's
almost an insanity that we believe that we are this,
this is it, that this is the reality. And my
this is just my humble opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I don't believe that this is the reality. I think
this is a wonderful movie. Fantastic virtual reality, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
This is the matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
We are in the matrix, and one of My favorite
favorite movies of all time is The Matrix because I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Think it did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Believe it or not, but in ninety nine when that
came out, it clicked in. It touched on on a
idea like, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
A minute, this is not real, right. I think it
gave us a glimpse. It gave us a glimpse, and
we can explore that glimpse, just to see how big
the window can be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Now, where can people find out more about you and
the wonderful work you're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Joe, Well, I'm all over the internet, so quick search
will turn out a whole lot. I have a new book.
It's called Karmaic Marketing, and Karmaic marketing is basically the
secret of my success. It's something I've been doing for
decades but never wrote about before. So it's on Amazon
as well as all my other books that we've been
talking about. So that's Karmaic Marketing. I just started an

(01:05:31):
online weekly television show. Lux Media is producing it. They've
got studios on Rodeo Drive in LA and this show
is called Zero Limits Living. You can watch it on Roku,
Apple TV, Amazon Fire YouTube. I put up a website
to make it easy it's Zero Limits LIVINGTV dot com.

(01:05:51):
Zero Limits livingtv dot com. People can follow me on Instagram, Facebook.
I post every day videos hopefully invigorating and bubbly and inspiring,
and I'm doctor Joe Vitally on those places. Dr Joe
Vitally main website, vitallylifemastery dot com. Vitallylifemastery dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Joe, I really appreciate you taking the time to come
on the show and talk to my audience, and I
appreciate everything you've done throughout your career and the work
that you're continuing to do inspiring people throughout the world.
And I appreciate you and what you do my friends.
So thank you again for being on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
And in case you were wondering, the T shirt I'm
wearing says, I'm billing you for this conversation. That's a
great gut the shirt, and of course I'm not thank
you for having me here. I greatly enjoyed it. So
God speed to you and all your viewers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I know that most of us would like to bring
more wealth and peace into our lives, and I think
Joe's helping many many souls around the world do just that.
If you want to get links to any of Joe's
and books and courses and so on. Head over to
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