September 29, 2025 • 72 mins
Diane Brandon discusses her concept of "born aware," referring to individuals who remember their thoughts at birth, often involving spiritual experiences. She shares personal memories of being with the divine and pre-birth awareness, contrasting with scientific views on infant consciousness. Brandon emphasizes the importance of intuition, linking it to brain waves and frequency, and discusses the potential benefits of psychedelics in accessing higher states of consciousness. She also touches on the afterlife, suggesting a transition to higher soul awareness and the possibility of guiding others. Diane's work aims to explore and validate these experiences, encouraging self-discovery and spiritual connection.
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podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now, today on
the show, we have Diane Brandon and we're going to
be talking about her pre birth experience. And if you
don't know what a pre birth experience is, sit back, relax,
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and let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show,
Diane Brandon.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How you doing, Diane, I'm doing fine, Alex. I am
so pleased to be with you here today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm
excited to talk to you about your life experience and
what you're doing for the world as well. So my
first question to you is you speak about being born awake.
Can you tell the audience what that actually means.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'd be happy to the phrase is born aware, and
that's okay, that's okay. It's just a different letter, isn't it.
One letter difference. I use the term I coined the
term born aware to refer to people who have always
remembered what they thought when they were born. I've always
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remembered what I thought when I was born. I know
scientists think that babies are basically blank, have blank minds
and little awareness. I know that that's not true. I
did not know that this was an unusual phenomenon. It
never came up in conversation. But basically it refers to
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those of us who've always remembered what we thought when
we were born.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So what does that exactly mean?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Remembering what you were before you? Is it rebirth experience? Essentially,
like you remember prior to incarnating into this bot, into
the body you're currently in, and things that happened on
the other side prior to that. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That is one type of memory, but it's basically at
the moment of birth, remembering what your perception was, what
your thoughts were. For myself, I remember what I thought.
I remember that I was not happy to be here again.
I knew that when I wasn't here, I had absolute knowledge,
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and it aggravated me that I couldn't have it while
I was here. I have some pre birth memories, primarily
of being with the divine, and I knew I wouldn't
have need while I was here. Some people remember who
they saw in the delivery room, including those incarnated in
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body and sometimes other spirits or entities who may have
been there. Some people remember the actual experience of being
born and the delivery. There's one person in my book
who remembers that forceps were used and it was so
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painful he felt that he would be tortured or damaged
during the delivery. So the types of awareness, the types
of memories will vary from one person to the next.
And again that can include some of those prenatal memories,
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whether one stayed in the womb throughout gestation or dipped
in and out. For some it may be memories on
the other side. For example, one woman in my book
remembers being taken by guides to visit other planets for training.
She remembers picking out her father. So these memories will
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vary from one person to the next. But it's an
awareness at birth that one has always remembered, and it
tends to be spiritual in nature.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So you have some experience talking to other people who've
had pre birth memories. Can you tell me some of
other some other before we get to your pre birth memory,
what are some other pre birth memories that you can share.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I remember one woman shared that she remembered walking along
some sort of pathway on the other side, and she
was given a choice of I believe she was able
to choose between or among two or three options of
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what she would be in the coming lifetime. That's one
type of memory. Another person in my book remembers being
an angel on the other side.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Really actually an actual I didn't know that angels could.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Apparently, so I didn't theorize about that. Well, I have
two people, I'm sorry, I have two people in the
book who remember being an angel on the other side.
One remembers working in a group of angels and basically
in her consciousness would receive a directive from the divine
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and they would make planets and the other cosmic things
on the other side. Another person, as I met, remembers
being an angel before she came here. And I'm trying
to remember the memories now. One one person in my
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book remembers that her parents, right after she was born,
disagreed about whether she needed to be covered in the
sun on the way home from the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
MM.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So these these these memories will will vary, will vary.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Now, what is the what memory do you or or
of the people that you've spoken to, which have the
farthest back memories, meaning like purely in the spiritual, purely
on the other side, constructing their lifetime, choosing their parents,
possibly sole blueprint. What do you have any memories of that,
your own personal ones, or of anyone that you interviewed
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for your book.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
My memories primarily consist of remembering being with a Divi
and that connection being in place. It's almost like there
is a tether I'm tethered, and and how I felt
upon being born because I didn't want to come here,
but I knew that I had. There was something I
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was supposed to do, even though I didn't know what
it was. And some people remember. One woman remembers the
actual conception. She was there with the divine during the conception,
and she describes it and how she reacted. Some people
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were very aware of other lifetimes upon birth in the
present lifetime. I'm trying to remember now. I should have
boned up on people's people's memories. One woman has a
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beautiful description of the other side and the wonderful colors, etc.
And so my sense is some of this, some of
the memories of the other side, are really on a
level that is not three dimensional or tangible, where things
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are primarily energy, if that makes sense. If that makes sense,
and where those you encounter are the soul energy rather
than a physical representation or a physical body. Does that
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make sense?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It makes perfect sense. So then can we dive a
little bit deeper into your pre birth memory? And you say,
the divine it's a very broad term, so can you
give it as many details as you can that you
can remember of that experience prior to being born.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
My main memory, I think is fairly simplistic in that context.
It is being with the divine God. And my memory
of God or the Divine is not an old man
with a long white beard. It's of this massive energy
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that at the same time has a sense of.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
A being.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
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Speaker 2 (10:53):
So I've talked to one other person who remembers being
with God and we said the same thing. The energy
is unmistakable. You can never mistake the energy for anything else.
So you have this sense of a being and this massive,
massive energy that is beyond description. I could say something
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trite like end all be all, which doesn't quite capture it,
but not in a form, not in a form, and
to me, being in the form limits and this is
beyond limitation, beyond limitation. But at the same time, a being,
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so not a gender, not however we want to define
a gender. It's beyond that as well. It's very difficult
to put some of this into words, and I have felt,
especially since I started doing the intuitive work, the intuitive counseling,
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that if there were a way for people who have
that direct connection, it is immensely helpful. It's immensely beneficial.
It doesn't lead to just okay, dependency, and I don't
need to think for myself. It's not that whatsoever. It
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is not dogma, it is not rules, but it is
this sense of safety, I guess, is one term I
could use, and I don't have memories. On the other
side of being in different places or visiting different places
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is primarily being with a divine which, for lack of
a better way of putting it, for me, it's kind
of an overarching truth in my in my life right
which it's.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It sounds like you have this understanding and belief, not
even belief, it's just an understanding. It's a truth like
water is wet and ice as cold, that you are
part of something larger and you are connected to the
divine as we all are. But it's just there, and
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you just understand it to be true, and that gives
you a sense of comfort to walk the earth in
a different way. That many of us are fearful and
afraid and disconnected and you know, angry and all. You
can't seem to it does, at least from the energy
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that you're giving me right now, it doesn't seem like
that's not that you don't get angry, and not that
you don't get.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
A set of course we all do, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But but there is an understanding like this is a
temporary You have just an understanding of how the system
is working. So it helps you walk a little easier
on life. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It does. At the same time, it makes being here
probably just a little more difficult, because one knows how
wonderful the other side is. And I think, also, Alex,
I think it contributes to humility because those of us
who have a connection like this, no that we're not
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the end all be all, and we tend to understand
that not only are things on this level transitory, but
that they're also ultimately for some positive reasons, even if
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we don't know what they are. But at the same time,
you know, I have my human side, and one downside
of having memories like this is it does make it
more difficult to be on this planet.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It is the same thing I've heard from so many
near death experiences I've spoken to is that they're like,
I just want to go home. I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, I'm like, this is God do I have to
be here kind of vibe and not in a not
in a you know, a negative thought pattern. But it's
just like I know that there's chocolate cake on the
other side of that door, and why am I here
with asparacus?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The asparagus is good for me, Yes, it was Exparatus
tastes it's wonderful for the You can't really compete with
the chocolate cake tastes wise. Absolutely, the chocolate cake tastes
so much better. That's a good analogy. That is a
good analogy. So I think the point is there are
pros and cons too having this awareness, and that is
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I think it's a wonderful gift for those who have
near death experiences. I don't know if you knew of
Tom Sawyer, not not the fictional character.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, I do not. I only know. I only know
Huck Finn's fright.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Uh. He was, he was, he used to speak back
in the nineties. He had he actually had more than
one near death experience, which is not that terribly uncommon.
But he changed so dramatically, and and we do tend
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to say, I just want to go home. But there
are pros and cons, blessing and a curse. But I
think it's wonderful for those who have near death experiences
that are spiritually transformed, because it informs one's being so
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much more, gives one so much of a better understanding
of things that transcend this three dimensional level and and
are indeed real.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So as far as pre birth memories are concerned, I
assume that you weren't a one or two year old
walking around going I'm tethered to God. So I'm assuming
that this memory came in later. When did you when
did this all this information kind of come rushing back?
Or did you know at a certain level as you
were growing up.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It was always there, It was always. It was always there.
But the thing is, Alex, I didn't know it was unusual.
As far as I knew, everybody had memories like this,
So why do you even mention it? So it was
always there, the oh way.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But how did you process it though? Like as a
five year old you just don't know? I mean, did
you know it was God? Did you know it was
the divine es?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, on a deep level you understood it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh yes, okay, yes, got it from the from the
very very beginning, from birth. But what I have seen
in working on my book Born Aware, is that it
doesn't matter how spiritually aware you are at birth. When
you come here as a soul and you get into
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the body of a human being, it's like being schizophrenic.
It's like you're on two in two different places, because
the human experience is very different. You have a psyche,
you have emotions, you have experiences while you're growing up,
and some of those are positive and some of those
are negative. So you've got you've got two types of
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awareness as you've got your true orientation towards the other side,
your true home, and then you've got this human part.
And I think for some of us, for some people,
some memories may start to fade a little bit. We're
trying to fit into this world. You know, as a
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human being. You're born and your parents are in control,
and that can be positive and negative.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You have experiences along the way. For some people it's
traumatic experiences or abuse. So for a while, again in
interviewing people, there is this shift towards the focus being
on trying to fit in, you know, learning the ins
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and outs of being a human. And it seems that
at some point in the teen years, perhaps I don't
want to say that one has mastered we don't master
be a human. We may.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
First of all, no one masters anything in the teen years.
Let's just put it that straight up.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It is true. That is so true.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I'm joking. I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you for the levity. Thank you for the levity.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Teenagers as a general statement, not the place. If I
may stop for a saying, I just heard this quote
the other day. It was just so brilliant. It was
Mark Twain who said, at fifteen I understood my parents
were clueless and understood nothing. But at twenty two I
was really impressed at how much they had learned in
seven years.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, yes, yes, which I think is a wonderful quotation.
It's a wonderful quotation, but I think it is that
based on the people I've interviewed, it's sometime during the
teen years, and it may be between thirteen and eighteen
that you know you're used to that human side now
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and you can put more of your attention back on
your spiritual side.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. You start connecting it.
It's it's interesting, I see, I see that because when
you're growing up, you're just trying to you're just bumping around,
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trying to learn how to walk. Your body starts to change,
so you're dealing with puberty and hormones and all sorts
of things at that age. And you but then once
you start getting past that, you go you settle in
for the ride.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Essentially, absolutely not that we stop growing, because there's there's
all there's always growth, but yeah, you settle in for
the ride, and you have more of your psychic capacity
that can focus on your inherent spiritual orient.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So let me ask you this, why do you believe
you specifically were given this blessing or curse depending on
how you look at it, and so many of us
do not have this ability.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's a wonderful question. I did chew on that, Alex,
and I feel that for those of us who have
these memories, we're allowed to have them because they are
to serve a purpose for what we are to do
while we're here. It's not like, okay, it's a free ride.
There's responsibility in it, depending upon what each of us
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is here to do. And I didn't understand. I can
understand better now when I was born, when I remembered that,
you know, okay, I had to be here because there
was something I was supposed to do. I thought it
had to do with acting and saying, and so I
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pursued that for years. And it wasn't until I started
doing this work, but especially since I started, since the
born aware phenomenon came to the forefront, did I realize, Oh,
that's it, because I need to get this information out
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there because it can be beneficial to other people. So
get it now. I get it now. I still don't
want to be here, but I can see it a
little better. So I really feel it's not because we're special,
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it's because we were allowed to have these memories because
of what we're supposed to do while we're here.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now, you mentioned that when you or some other I'm
not sure if it was you or one of the
stories of somebody else who had a pre birth experience,
that you were upset when you showed up. You were
just like, ugh, I gotta learn again, and I can't.
I don't have all knowledge that I had before. Why
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do you think that You said that you were kind
of forced to come back. So my question is you
were Are you compelled to come back to reincarnate? Do
you have a choice in the matter. Can you stay
on the other side and chilax with the divine or
are you forced back to learn these fairly difficult, you know,
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lessons and journeys down here in the physical because this
is not for the faint of heart down here.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
No it's not. No, it's not. I think it varies
from one person to the next, because some people in
my book actually looked forward to come in here, and
I'm like, you're kidding. Some remember that they were given
a choice. I was not given a choice. It was like,
this is what you need to do, and I was like, okay,
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don't like it, but I understand that I'm supposed to
do it. I know that sounds strange. I think as humans,
especially in the past so many decades, we're really big
on what I want, what I want, I can have,
I can have what I want, I can manifest what
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I want. It's all up to me. I want, I want,
I want. It's what I want. I think on higher
levels you realize when you're on those levels on the
other side, Okay, I'm not in charge and we are.
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In fact, this is one of my things. I don't know,
you know, if people agree with it or not, but
I feel that while we're here, we're all playing roles
in this greater drama on this planet, as Shakespeare said,
absolutely like I feel that Shakespeare was plugged in. I
really do. Oh yeah, yeah. And that the goal I
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feel that we come to Earth to live human lives,
to learn and grow and unfold. We've all heard that
over and over again. But also for the roles we
play with other people in this greater drama, and I
feel that the goal is to push humanity forward. So
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that's just my sense.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, And a lot of times sometimes the role we
play the villain, and sometimes we play the hero, and
we choose to do so, absolutely, and somebody else's drama.
Like you know, you you are the villain and someone
else's drama. Though every villain, you know I come from
again from Hollywood, every villain always believes that they're the
hero of their own story. Of course, throughout the history,
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I mean, I always wondered, I'm like, how can like
Darth Vader show go to sleep at night, you know,
and just go I'm so evil? Like no, He's like no,
I that's my perspective is different and I have my
life experience has brought me to where I am and
this is how I'm doing things, and I don't care
if I heard other people. So there's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There's a perspective, absolutely, absolutely, and it has to do
with perspective, because as humans, we tend to see things
from our perspective. And that's another aspect of one thing
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I discussed in the book is what I call the
difference between the perspective on the human level and what
I refer to as a higher soul awareness which transcends
the human and can look at things very objectively, can
look at that drama going on and have a sense
when something happens on the world's age. Oh, I wonder
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if this is to accomplish such and such. So there's
a difference. And yes, it comes down to perspective.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And isn't it amazing? And I can only assume this
has happened to you in your life, and please correct
me if I'm wrong, that our perspective on our past
events changes over time, where at the moment it's happening,
this is the worst thing that has ever happened to
me in my entire life. To thank god that happened
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to me when that happened to me, because it did this, this, this,
and this for me and this this. But that's perspective,
that is distance, that is time. Oh my god, thank
god I didn't date that girl, or thank god I
didn't get that job. But at the moment you're like,
oh my god, my wife is over. I didn't get
the job I was dreaming of.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh yes, yes, the dark night of the soul. My
life is over. This is so painful. I will never
get through this. And yet I think there has to
be a willingness. There has to be something in us
that represents a willingness to look at things in retrospect.
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I like to say that when we go through something
negative and we come out the other side, and if
we can look back and see some of the benefits,
then we have transmuted that negative experience into something positive. If,
on the other hand, we stay stuck in the oh
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poor me, Oh it's so painful, then that's not good
for us.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you want to talk about dark Knight of the Soul.
Doesn't that happen like hourly when you're a teenager.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Absolutely, absolutely, it happened all the time. And of course
that was dramatic. Oh, nobody's ever been through anything like
this before.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
In the history of mankind. Orman, It's never ever happened. Yeah,
if you look back at stuff to happen when you
were a kid, and you're just like, at the time,
I just thought it was the world. The world is ending,
Like I got an f in that test. This is
going on my quote unquote permanent record.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I didn't I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh my god, why did I get that g I
Joe I wanted?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh, I just got that boy doesn't like me.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That boy said what about me? Like it's and we
joke about I'm bringing this up. The joke around it
but it's really to put perspective into what we hold
dear at certain times in our lives. We'll be right
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show. And as you get older, you start
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to I mean, if you're evolving in this life, you
start to realize that certain things are not things you
should be sweating about as much as when you were younger.
In going through things, you just hold on tight to
these events. You you start looking back, you just start going,
I'm so glad it all worked out the way it did,
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and it isn't a true though. Like as you look back,
you start to pleat the pieces together, like you like
you were you wanted to be an actress in music
and the arts, and you thought that was the path.
But then you look back and go, oh, that was
just preparing me for this work. All those experiences prepared
me for this work. Very similar thing happened to me
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very I mean, I mean it's exactly almost exact thing.
My art was writing and filmmaking, and you know, it
always preparing me to do the work I'm doing right now.
In all honesty, it is something that has connected me
to that. But I always wondered, why am I Why
am I going down that path? If I'm not getting
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to where I want to be? What am I doing wrong?
Why do I keep failing? Or the successes I have
and aren't the successes that I really want? Or these
all these kind of thought patterns, and I was I.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Even said to God one of them, like, why would
you give me the love of this so hard and
yet not let me succeed at it at a even
a basic love exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Or thinking back on the opportunities that seemed like they
would be a major breakthrough and then for various reasons
they just poof exactly. But I think I think what
we're talking about, Alex, is it requires getting older and
having that perspective of being able to look back. We're
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less able to do that when we're teens or you know,
in our twenties. We have that that blessing of more time,
if age can be a blessed. But I used to
be caught up in the same thing, Alex. It really
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really resonates Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
And I know a lot of people listening out there
right now might be like, why is what I really
want to do not happening for me? And if you
understand that there's a bigger picture at play here, there's
a bigger plan at play that will unfold in its time. Yes,
then you will only see in time why you're walking
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this path. But you have to kind of trust the
path you're walking. If you're going through something difficult in
your life right now, there is a reason for it.
If you're going through some wonderful things going on right now,
there's a reason for it. And that that process is
difficult for you to go to deal with.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's very, very difficult. But at the same time, I
would also add that I would recommend trying to develop
those inner resources mm hmm that help you gain that
perspective because a lot of people don't want to be told, well,
it's for your own good that that didn't happen at the.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Time the asparagus.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yes, yes, yes, and you will like it exactly now.
So if you if you develop those those those inner resources, meditation,
there's so many different modalities these days. Those actually give
us give us more tools to move through life and
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to gain the perspective.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now we've mentioned a couple of times about these plans,
life's plan and how things are being unfolded along our
path and we might not like it as it's unfolding,
and many times we don't trust me.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm sure you men, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
This concept of the sole blueprint, which has been discussed, uh.
I've just spoken to a couple of other pre birth
experiencers who've talked about remember even planning literally sitting down
at a table with a council of other elders or
beings to create their soule blueprint. What is your take
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on the concept of the sole blueprint per incarnation.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm a firm believer in it because the way the
way I look at this and the way I understand
this Alex is that on this level, on this planet
we have we have time. We have a past, present,
and a future. But when you get to a higher
levels on the other side, there's no time mm hmm.
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So things are planned in advance, not out of controlling souls.
This goes back again to the greater drama, and all
these little pieces fit together. It transcends I feel our
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human ability to understand. But I feel that our lives
are planned. This does not preclude having free will, because
it was always no more our choices would be because
on those levels there's no time. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It does make sense. My grasp on it is that
that there isn't there is a plan laid out, so
it's a probable plan, meaning that there's a probability that
you will walk this path, and we will guide you
in this path. You're going to be born to these
parents in this situation, which will start leaning you towards
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certain places and certain things that will be for your plan.
You at any time have free choice to do whatever
you like along that plan. And there is people who
will venture off. My near death experiences I've spoken to
say I went off so far are off that I
had to die to be woken up to go back
on the path that I was supposed to do in
this life. And some people just go off like the
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reservation and completely lose track of what they're supposed to
be doing. And sometimes they die and they're like, you
got to start over again, and you did you did
nothing that you said, this is not the way this
is going. What are you thinking? You were supposed to
be this and now you're doing this, you know, And
they're like, but I was having so much fun. I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But now you see what I feel, alex is, even
that is part of the plan. Even diverging from what
we think the plan is, it's part of the plan.
That's why I'm saying it's very different to wrap our
human minds around this. There's all of those little pieces
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fit together because ultimately, if you have diverged from your
plan and you have a near death experience, you're on
a path.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
No, there's no question about it. It's really interesting. Now now
we're getting into esoteric kind of conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Isn't it fun?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It's so much fun because I agree with you that
there is that whatever you do in life becomes part
of the blueprint, becomes part of the record of what
you're doing. So if in this lifetime, I'm not supposed
to understand addiction, it's not part of what I'm supposed
to do in this lifetime. But all of a sudden,
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someone when I was younger, led me down a path
that I wasn't supposed to be on, and I kept
going down that path even though I wasn't supposed to
do it in this lifetime. I kept doing it for
a million different reasons. That becomes part of the lessons
that I learned in this life. It wasn't what I planned,
but it was part of the grander scale of what
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was going on. But there is still a free choice
to kind of.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Flow in this or that.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It's a the amount of planning, because again, being a director,
when I play a movie, I'm exhausted thinking about movies
and story plots and actors and sets. And it's in
a massive amount of planning. Can you imagine doing it
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for other universe, all the creatures?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
What should give us, what should give us a sense
of humility? Because we can't imagine being able to do that.
It's it's beyond.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's beyond the level of understanding that I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, if you throw in the monkey ranch of alternate
stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Let's not get into the multiverse and parallel lives and
living multiple lives at the same time time and there,
because there's no time that you know everything has already happened.
We're just said, please, I've already gone down this road
so many times. It makes the hair, It makes the hair,
it makes the head. I've had quantum physicists who have
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talked to about this, and they're just like wonderful and
they're just like yeah, and then there's yeah, technically you
could do this, and yeah technically. It's it's such a
mad This is why I love doing this show. I
would love doing this show because of that, because it's
just an endless conversation. We'll be right back after a
(40:33):
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This conversation will never end in any now because it
just it's all expansive, like the universe is expanding. These
kinds of conversations will never get old, get boring because
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it just expand and expand. And yes, a planet is
a planet, you know, but our planet has a very
different story than Mars does, and our solar system has
a very different story than other solar system. So it's
even though they're the same elements, they're just completely different.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And just similar but different.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And it just keeps going and go. That's why I
can have a talk to forty or fifty year death
experiencers and every single one is unique. Every single one
has its own lessons, every single one had to deal
with certain things when they came back. Even the pre
birth experiences that I've had on the show before very different.
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The effect they had on their lives, how they were
closeted in so many ways, you know which I want
to bring my next question with you, When did you
come out of the spiritual closet or were you always
out of the spiritual closet?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Well, I think part of this to Alex is when
I was growing up, you didn't find people. These were
not popular topics, and so yeah, we didn't really talk
about things like that. I remember, Oh, I remember when
I was probably twelve or thirteen, I was thinking about
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successive universes and you know, alternate to mention, but nobody
to talk to about that. When I was an undergrad,
I found a couple of people, you know. It wasn't
until I would say my mid to late twenties, and
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there was just a little bit of conversation. And then
I was in a Mastermind group. You know, I'm sure
people are familiar with those, and so things started to
open up. I remember feeling the first time I attended
that that it was the first time I was really
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in a group a room with a group of people
interested these things. Again, I didn't know still didn't know
that my memories made, you know, were unusual. And started
working with my intuition. Still not knowing what I was doing.
I felt like I was an impostor, you know. So
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things were kind of revealed very very gradually to me.
And it was only when I started working on Born
Aware that I started to realize it was different because
I had not shared my memories with anybody. The way
the book came about is that in the context of
a session a client mentioned her memories. I said, oh, well,
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that makes two of us. And then a few months later,
in teaching a workshop on intuition, one person, in the
context of what she had experienced in one exercise, shared
her pre birth memory and that was when I went, oh,
that's three of us. I'm being given a message I
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need to look at this, and so things started to
unhold from there. So it was there were triggers. I
would say that there were triggers, and of course along
the way, I'm working on my issues at the same time.
M So it was a confluence, you know, of different factors.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now I know you also speak a lot about intuition, yes,
and can you tell me what you believe intuition? Is
Is it something guiding us? Is it our spirit guides
is it the vine? Is it the angels or what
is that gut feeling that we get that little voice
in our head?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
What is it? I think it's I'd like to say
it's a complex set of phenomena. It's not just one
thing I think we have. I think everybody has the ability.
For many people, it's underneath the surface. I feel that
a lot of it has to do with brain waves
(45:12):
and a wisest research on brain waves and delta brain waves,
the deepest level, or he's sussing out the environment unconsciously.
I think sometimes intuition comes from deep within us, things
we were already exposed to that we had forgotten. I
think some of it is guided. When we talk about
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gut feelings, you've probably heard that. I don't remember how
many years ago, ten fifteen years ago, researchers found a
physiological basis for gut feelings. They're real. There's a knowing. Yes,
there are cells in the stomach that are similar to
those in a part of the brain that some scientists
(46:01):
now refer to the stomach as the little brain or
the second brain. And then there's some other research on
digestion and that affecting the brain. So there's a base,
there's a physiological basis for gut feelings. They are real science.
Science knows this now. So I feel like it's a
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lot of different It presents itself in a lot of
different ways, and yes, some of it is guided. I
do not feel that we have to go through know
our guides to be intuitive. And when I teach intuition,
I teach the method I use, which is basically closing
your eyes, going to a deeper, deeper level of consciousness
(46:46):
and posing your question and seeing what comes in. And
that's that's trying to access information on demand. But we
also get information excuse me that we're not deliberately trying
to get And it varies from one person to the
next with regard to the form that it comes in.
(47:09):
There are many, many different forms of intuition. There's there's
information that comes to you. There is a kinesthetic where
you feel energy that gives you information. Some people are clairvoyant,
which literally French eye was a French major clear seeing.
Some people hear voices, whether they're external or in their heads.
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For some people, colors may have meaning and they can
get information just with colors they're presented.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Let me ask you this because I've seen some research
in regards to frequency, and that the brain waves when
you go into meditation, you know the delta alpha, alpha, delta,
and then I think I forget what's underneath delta or
even something even deeper. Some of the meditators so that
these Tibetan monks can go even deeper than what they
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were that anyone could reinsister her before. And even channelers
are being connected to these machines and they when they channel,
you can see their brain waves just changed to a
whole other place while they're still awake. Is this a
frequency thing as well, just as a universal law that
(48:27):
at this radio station, this kind of information is available.
At this radio station, this kind of information is available.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I love that question. I feel that brain waves have
something to do with it, that it's important to get
to below beta and even alpha, get into beta delta,
and of course gamma is like a sudden insight. And
I have to say that there a woman in California,
Valerie Haunt, who researched brain waves for years of intuitives
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and healers, and she has a book out called Infinite Mind.
I think in some cases it's a matter of getting
on the right frequency to get information. So I feel
that that has an awful lot to do with it.
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We talk about resonance, picking up on information that's resonating
with us. I think a lot of it does have
to do with frequency, the delta brain waves. Anna Wise's research,
she she defined she equated delta brain waves with the unconscious,
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with the unconscious being you know kind of process is
not a repository of information, and that the delta brainwaves
are only sussing out the environment, you know, to see
what informa is there. I've had the sense with the
method that I use that I call tuning in that
is like a frequency, like tuning into the right frequency.
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And at the same time, I've always felt that information
is energy. Energy carries information. So if you think about it,
we are surrounded by information which is surround So sometimes
it is a matter of tuning into the right frequency
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or a part of our sensing or consciousness that senses
being able to get to the right target.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
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Speaker 2 (50:49):
Theoretically we should be That means theoretically we should have
access to absolute knowledge while we're here. But then on
the other hand, I knew when I was born, that
I couldn't have that while life's here. But the concept,
the theory is that it's all a lie out there.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Well, you know, it's very interesting. I just had a
conversation with a Nobel Prize nominee who lives in the
who was talking about the Akacak records in the quantum field,
and that is a field. Thing you're talking about is
the aquantum field that we all are connected to and
that we can easily not easily, but you can't kind
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of tap into if you can find a way to
tune in. Meditators are able to do it. People who
understand how to read the Akashak records can do it.
But the Akashak field, the Akashak records, this is stuff
that science is talking about. And obviously this is stuff
that the Veda texts and old ancient texts, Sumerian texts
(51:50):
and tablets have been talking about Akashak forever. So these
ideas are not new aage woo woo by any stretch.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, no, no, no, they're not. And I don't tend
to think of it as a caustic records because it's
in information and it's everywhere, all at once we live
in this information, we live in it. It is every way.
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But I think here on this planet as humans, things
are separated on those other levels. On the other side,
there there there's less division. I don't mean in conflict,
but less separation.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's all there's no walls. There's no walls disconnecting you
from the information. That's again, when I talk to near
death experiences, they say, oh, I was over there and
I had an immense download of everything. So I'm like, oh,
I understand quantum physics now, Oh, I understand this now.
But when they came back, they're not allowed to bring
it back with them.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yes, that's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
But also to be fair, I just don't think that
our computer can handle the processing that it would take.
I agree, our nervous system, our brain, it's not designed
to it. There's a limitation in the design, very specifically
designed that way, so we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yes, in order to navigate this three dimensional world, we
have to give up some things. We have to lose
some of those abilities to be able to navigate in here.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Do you think that because I'm fascinated with psychedelics, I've
never taken any myself, but I'm fascinated by the stories,
what people see, what people get access to. Do you believe,
just from your own perspective, that when you take a
psychedelic or plant medicine, that it brings your frequency to
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a level where you can open doors that have been
closed to you, very similarly to do what yogis do
naturally through meditation into practice to get through those doors
as well. That's why they live there a little longer.
And the psychedelic is a very limited pass inside the right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yes, yes, yes, And I'm going to preface this and
say that I have not taken a psychedelic either, and
I haven't. I've read a little bit, but I haven't
heavily researched this. But my sense is that they tend
to remove the separations and the barriers, right, And they
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may have a temporary effect in that regard, But at
the same time I'm hearing also some permanent effects. They
may help to shift perspective, They may help to see
connections and take us out of the box, you know,
(55:04):
of our part normal perception. And there are cultures, you know,
the alex their cultures that incorporate them and their their spiritual.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Practices traditions ayahuasca alone down in South America. Yes, yes,
that is an absolute miracle that that exists. Do you
know that you know how those do you know how
they make ayahuasca? No, two different plants from two different
sides of the jungle that have no reason to be together.
(55:38):
But someone along the way said, let's take plant A
and plant B and when they're combined, and only when
they're combined does ayahuasca? Is ayahuasca created?
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Wonderful?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
It makes no sense, makes like literally undreds of makes sense.
Hundreds of miles away from each other, they just made
They would have never connected. But somewhere along the line
that information was given to somebody, and it is a
very healing uh process. But we won't get into We're
won't go down the psychedelic world because that's a whole
other deep, deepcast.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's been researched, that's been researched too. You know that
that's been researched with spiritual spiritual applications and and outcomes.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Well, yeah, and now because they've kind of lifted the
veil on LSD and silas lyin silus, seize hybin and
those kind of things that we're kind of banned from
the sixties because of all the craziness the sixties. Now
they're actually researching it again. When I say craziness, I
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say it with all the love in the world. But
now they're actually universities are allowed to do it and
it's helping a lot of people. So it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
It is, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. If you can't if
you if you can't come to those spiritual vistas or
experiences any other way, then sometimes those are aids to
that end.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
When I spoke to a yogi about this, it's so fascinating.
I spoke to a yogi in India about this and
he said something so profound. He's like, when people take
these medicines and they take these psychedelics, what they're doing
is opening a door that they were not invited into.
And you must be aware and be careful when you
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go into those doors because you might not be prepared
for what happens, which is what a bad trip is,
or these things I was saying, as opposed to a
yogi who spends twenty thirty years preparing to walk in
that door, and then then once they walk in, they
could stay there and come and go as they please
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because they have time and preparation to go on there,
as opposed to chea and kind of sneaking past the
guard with psychedelics, which again has its place. But understand
there are risks involved when you do.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
It absolutely because you may not know how to assimilate
the experience and those insights.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Oh God, one has to be absolutely.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
One has to be because it can turn one's life
upside down, just as a near death experience can.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yes, exactly now, from your point of view and your perspective,
what actually happens to us when the physical body dies.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
I have seen and I'll share that I've been asked
by clients over the years to look at those who
have passed on, and I think a lot of it
depends upon the person's life at the time. Their experience
is what they were going through. There are some blessedly
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peaceful transitions. I'm sure you know. There's been a lot
more research into pre death communication before you know. Pasted
on loved One's visit it says there's seven stages.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
From my understanding of the seven or twelve stages or
something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, But but the past on loved ones are are
trying to reassure the person who's in the process of dying,
who will be dying, you know that that there is
something on the other side. And my sense is we
we basically, excuse me, lose our orientation to the three dimensional.
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We still have access to it, but our consciousness, our
soul is freed up, is no longer bound. And again
I feel like this varies from one person to the next.
I mean, if it was a traumatic death, oh yeah,
of course, or the life had been traumatic, it may
not be as easy or as peaceful. And my sense is, yes,
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we are greeted by loved ones or they help us,
and whether we see the divine, my sense is at
some point after we transition, we drop what I call
the persona of that lifetime. We will still have access
to it in the future. We don't forget that it existed,
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but we get into what I call our higher soul awareness.
And I feel, and this will vary from one person
or soul to the next, that in some cases we
are actually watching what is going on two loved ones
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who are still here. I want to say dispassionately, but
there's still a feeling of connection and love. We talked
about people talk about the life review. I feel like
that's instantaneous, and I feel like that is connected to
dropping the human persona and getting into the higher soul awareness.
Because we can we start to gain the objectivity.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I feel that whether we're guided to do it or
whether it happens spontaneously, we start to see from that
higher perspective our lifetime, the people we knew, our interactions, interactions.
We start to see the reasons why things happen. We
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touched upon this earlier, and at some point after this,
when we are firmly entrenched in the higher soul awareness,
we go onto whatever's next for us on the other side.
And that can be going to a place of study,
be taught, It can be guiding people. There are a
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number of possibilities. I started working on my next book
four years ago and haven't had a chance to get
back to it. But it's really about what the other
side is like, based upon people's memories, and one woman
in particular remembers levels on the other side. She remembers
being one of those who were guiding and teaching and
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part of a council. And so for some people, we
may go to some of those study groups, we may
be counseled, and I know there's a lot going on
that I'm not even privy to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, it's it's a it's again, this is an endless conversation.
And it's fascinating to have these conversations because it just
at least opens our eyes to the possibility of what
is why we hear what this is all about? Well,
you know, why is you know, a tree a tree
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and I'm here and this happened to me or that
happened to me, and what happens on the other side,
and to understand that there is another side and that
you know, Aunt Jane is okay you know?
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And absolutely and and and to make it more interesting,
I know that after we've transitioned, we also have access
to all those other personas, yes, and from other lifetimes.
Like it's not like dissociating or being a multiple, but
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we do have all these other personas and we are
aware of them. We're in the higher soul awareness, but
we're aware of them. They don't kind of evaporate, right.
I think that that makes it more complex and more interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Oh, the word complex is that it doesn't even cover
what's happening. I mean the amount of complexity, of the
amount of complexity of our human body in itself. It
is such a complex machine that we still truly don't
understand the whole, the whole mechanism of it, as.
Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Much as we'd like to believe we do.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Then let's not even get into the complexity of the Earth,
of ecosystems, and let's not even start going off off
planet to the universe. I mean, it's just barely scratching
the surface of the complexity of everything that is around us.
So it's really it's one hell of a ride. Let's
just put it that way. It is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
It is that I want, I want to use the
word wonder.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah. Oh, they're wonder of it all.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
There's so much, Yes, there's so much to be in
wonder of because the complexity, I feel is beautiful and
we may not be able to grasp it all at once,
but we can be in awe of the fact that
it exists.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And that we and that we in a lifetime will
never be able to explore every aspect of everything. It's impossible.
I mean, just just so you know, a master chef
in Japan, who's a sushi chef. When he when a
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trainee is with him, an apprentice, They work on rice
for seven years, just cooking rice, under even to understand
the complexities and the nuances of rice.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So yes, all the different all the different varieties.
Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
And how you do it and when you do it,
and the timing and the perfection of it, and just
rice before they ever touch a fish, it's all right.
So can you imagine that complexity of that level two?
A master carpenter or a master storyteller, a master artist,
or a master engineer. It's just too much information. But
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on the other side, we have access to all of it,
which is so we do, which is all we do.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
We don't get bored, don't and and it is I'll
use it the phrase everybody uses positive energy, you know, love, acceptance, support, positive,
It's just it's a great place to be.
Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Now, Dan, I'm going to ask you a few questions.
Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living
a fulfilled life.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's a sense of knowing who you are in a
deep level. I use the term our essence and being
able to express that outwardly through activities and enjoy it
and feeling positive about what you're doing, and even when
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there is disappointment or there is struggle, to have that
perspective that it's temporary and is happening for a reason.
To me, that's that's fulfillment. To be able to experience
positive not just focusing on positive, but to enjoy the
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complexity of rice, for example, or you know of your
child's smile or your dog greeting you. To be able
to enjoy that there are things outside of you which
all exists for a reason and that you're part of too.
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So I use a very, very broad definition of fulfillment,
and even if you have a somewhat narrow focus enjoying
it feeling positive about yourself and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
If you had a chance to go on a time
machine and go back in time to the little girl
that you used to be, what advice would you give her.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I would probably say, hang in there, because it's all
happening for a reason, and there are going to be many, many,
many bumps in the road. They're going to be disappointments,
but it's important that you always remember that it all
is happening for a reason, and you will come out
the other side. You will find a sense of fulfillment
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and you will get to go home one day.
Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
How do you define God?
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
God is that massive energy that cannot be contained, that
is totally in control and is the master of all,
the great director in the sky, the great conductor in
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the sky, and is approachable, is accessible, It's not just
this far off concept that has no relation to life
on this level.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I think on planet Earth the ultimate purpose of life
is to learn, grow and help to move humanity forward.
I don't know the purpose of life throughout the cosmos
because my understanding is our experience of life is very
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different on this planet and in other life forms, et cetera,
et cetera. And I'm a firm believer that we live
lives everywhere as different life forms, not just as a
human on this planet, but that it has to do
with participating in the huge, greater drama, not just on
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this planet in some way, and and moving things forward.
I don't understand it. I don't understand the totality. I
can't but to know that it's all happening for reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
And where can people find out more about you and
the work that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Oh, that's easy. My website is Diane Brandon dot com.
D I A N E D R A N D
O N dot com and I have four books out.
I used to have a podcast years ago. Stop doing
that several years ago, but my website is probably the best,
the best way.
Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
And do you have a parting message for the audience.
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
I would say that there is so much more within you.
Allow yourself to explore your depths, embrace your true self,
your essence, open up and connect with every other living
being outside of you as much as you can comfortably
develop your potential. You have a lot of potential, sometimes
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it's hidden within you. Work on healing and removing any
blocks to your fulfillment and allow yourself to live vibrantly
and lead a purposeful life.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And thank you so much for this conversation and for
the work that you're doing in the world to help
weaken the planet. So I appreciate you for sharing your story,
my dear Thank you again.
Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Thank you so much, Alex. I appreciate you and the
work you're doing. It's wonderful. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I want to thank Diane so much for coming on
the show and sharing her journey with all of us.
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podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now, today on
the show, we have Diane Brandon and we're going to
be talking about her pre birth experience. And if you
don't know what a pre birth experience is, sit back, relax,
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and let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show,
Diane Brandon.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How you doing, Diane, I'm doing fine, Alex. I am
so pleased to be with you here today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm
excited to talk to you about your life experience and
what you're doing for the world as well. So my
first question to you is you speak about being born awake.
Can you tell the audience what that actually means.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'd be happy to the phrase is born aware, and
that's okay, that's okay. It's just a different letter, isn't it.
One letter difference. I use the term I coined the
term born aware to refer to people who have always
remembered what they thought when they were born. I've always
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remembered what I thought when I was born. I know
scientists think that babies are basically blank, have blank minds
and little awareness. I know that that's not true. I
did not know that this was an unusual phenomenon. It
never came up in conversation. But basically it refers to
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those of us who've always remembered what we thought when
we were born.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So what does that exactly mean?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Remembering what you were before you? Is it rebirth experience? Essentially,
like you remember prior to incarnating into this bot, into
the body you're currently in, and things that happened on
the other side prior to that. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That is one type of memory, but it's basically at
the moment of birth, remembering what your perception was, what
your thoughts were. For myself, I remember what I thought.
I remember that I was not happy to be here again.
I knew that when I wasn't here, I had absolute knowledge,
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and it aggravated me that I couldn't have it while
I was here. I have some pre birth memories, primarily
of being with the divine, and I knew I wouldn't
have need while I was here. Some people remember who
they saw in the delivery room, including those incarnated in
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body and sometimes other spirits or entities who may have
been there. Some people remember the actual experience of being
born and the delivery. There's one person in my book
who remembers that forceps were used and it was so
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painful he felt that he would be tortured or damaged
during the delivery. So the types of awareness, the types
of memories will vary from one person to the next.
And again that can include some of those prenatal memories,
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whether one stayed in the womb throughout gestation or dipped
in and out. For some it may be memories on
the other side. For example, one woman in my book
remembers being taken by guides to visit other planets for training.
She remembers picking out her father. So these memories will
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vary from one person to the next. But it's an
awareness at birth that one has always remembered, and it
tends to be spiritual in nature.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So you have some experience talking to other people who've
had pre birth memories. Can you tell me some of
other some other before we get to your pre birth memory,
what are some other pre birth memories that you can share.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I remember one woman shared that she remembered walking along
some sort of pathway on the other side, and she
was given a choice of I believe she was able
to choose between or among two or three options of
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what she would be in the coming lifetime. That's one
type of memory. Another person in my book remembers being
an angel on the other side.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Really actually an actual I didn't know that angels could.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Apparently, so I didn't theorize about that. Well, I have
two people, I'm sorry, I have two people in the
book who remember being an angel on the other side.
One remembers working in a group of angels and basically
in her consciousness would receive a directive from the divine
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and they would make planets and the other cosmic things
on the other side. Another person, as I met, remembers
being an angel before she came here. And I'm trying
to remember the memories now. One one person in my
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book remembers that her parents, right after she was born,
disagreed about whether she needed to be covered in the
sun on the way home from the hospital.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
MM.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So these these these memories will will vary, will vary.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Now, what is the what memory do you or or
of the people that you've spoken to, which have the
farthest back memories, meaning like purely in the spiritual, purely
on the other side, constructing their lifetime, choosing their parents,
possibly sole blueprint. What do you have any memories of that,
your own personal ones, or of anyone that you interviewed
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for your book.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
My memories primarily consist of remembering being with a Divi
and that connection being in place. It's almost like there
is a tether I'm tethered, and and how I felt
upon being born because I didn't want to come here,
but I knew that I had. There was something I
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was supposed to do, even though I didn't know what
it was. And some people remember. One woman remembers the
actual conception. She was there with the divine during the conception,
and she describes it and how she reacted. Some people
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were very aware of other lifetimes upon birth in the
present lifetime. I'm trying to remember now. I should have
boned up on people's people's memories. One woman has a
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beautiful description of the other side and the wonderful colors, etc.
And so my sense is some of this, some of
the memories of the other side, are really on a
level that is not three dimensional or tangible, where things
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are primarily energy, if that makes sense. If that makes sense,
and where those you encounter are the soul energy rather
than a physical representation or a physical body. Does that
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make sense?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It makes perfect sense. So then can we dive a
little bit deeper into your pre birth memory? And you say,
the divine it's a very broad term, so can you
give it as many details as you can that you
can remember of that experience prior to being born.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
My main memory, I think is fairly simplistic in that context.
It is being with the divine God. And my memory
of God or the Divine is not an old man
with a long white beard. It's of this massive energy
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that at the same time has a sense of.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
A being.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
So I've talked to one other person who remembers being
with God and we said the same thing. The energy
is unmistakable. You can never mistake the energy for anything else.
So you have this sense of a being and this massive,
massive energy that is beyond description. I could say something
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trite like end all be all, which doesn't quite capture it,
but not in a form, not in a form, and
to me, being in the form limits and this is
beyond limitation, beyond limitation. But at the same time, a being,
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so not a gender, not however we want to define
a gender. It's beyond that as well. It's very difficult
to put some of this into words, and I have felt,
especially since I started doing the intuitive work, the intuitive counseling,
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that if there were a way for people who have
that direct connection, it is immensely helpful. It's immensely beneficial.
It doesn't lead to just okay, dependency, and I don't
need to think for myself. It's not that whatsoever. It
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is not dogma, it is not rules, but it is
this sense of safety, I guess, is one term I
could use, and I don't have memories. On the other
side of being in different places or visiting different places
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is primarily being with a divine which, for lack of
a better way of putting it, for me, it's kind
of an overarching truth in my in my life right
which it's.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It sounds like you have this understanding and belief, not
even belief, it's just an understanding. It's a truth like
water is wet and ice as cold, that you are
part of something larger and you are connected to the
divine as we all are. But it's just there, and
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you just understand it to be true, and that gives
you a sense of comfort to walk the earth in
a different way. That many of us are fearful and
afraid and disconnected and you know, angry and all. You
can't seem to it does, at least from the energy
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that you're giving me right now, it doesn't seem like
that's not that you don't get angry, and not that
you don't get.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
A set of course we all do, yes.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But but there is an understanding like this is a
temporary You have just an understanding of how the system
is working. So it helps you walk a little easier
on life. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It does. At the same time, it makes being here
probably just a little more difficult, because one knows how
wonderful the other side is. And I think, also, Alex,
I think it contributes to humility because those of us
who have a connection like this, no that we're not
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the end all be all, and we tend to understand
that not only are things on this level transitory, but
that they're also ultimately for some positive reasons, even if
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we don't know what they are. But at the same time,
you know, I have my human side, and one downside
of having memories like this is it does make it
more difficult to be on this planet.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
It is the same thing I've heard from so many
near death experiences I've spoken to is that they're like,
I just want to go home. I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I know.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yes, I'm like, this is God do I have to
be here kind of vibe and not in a not
in a you know, a negative thought pattern. But it's
just like I know that there's chocolate cake on the
other side of that door, and why am I here
with asparacus?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
The asparagus is good for me, Yes, it was Exparatus
tastes it's wonderful for the You can't really compete with
the chocolate cake tastes wise. Absolutely, the chocolate cake tastes
so much better. That's a good analogy. That is a
good analogy. So I think the point is there are
pros and cons too having this awareness, and that is
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I think it's a wonderful gift for those who have
near death experiences. I don't know if you knew of
Tom Sawyer, not not the fictional character.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, I do not. I only know. I only know
Huck Finn's fright.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Uh. He was, he was, he used to speak back
in the nineties. He had he actually had more than
one near death experience, which is not that terribly uncommon.
But he changed so dramatically, and and we do tend
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to say, I just want to go home. But there
are pros and cons, blessing and a curse. But I
think it's wonderful for those who have near death experiences
that are spiritually transformed, because it informs one's being so
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much more, gives one so much of a better understanding
of things that transcend this three dimensional level and and
are indeed real.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So as far as pre birth memories are concerned, I
assume that you weren't a one or two year old
walking around going I'm tethered to God. So I'm assuming
that this memory came in later. When did you when
did this all this information kind of come rushing back?
Or did you know at a certain level as you
were growing up.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It was always there, It was always. It was always there.
But the thing is, Alex, I didn't know it was unusual.
As far as I knew, everybody had memories like this,
So why do you even mention it? So it was
always there, the oh way.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
But how did you process it though? Like as a
five year old you just don't know? I mean, did
you know it was God? Did you know it was
the divine es?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, on a deep level you understood it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh yes, okay, yes, got it from the from the
very very beginning, from birth. But what I have seen
in working on my book Born Aware, is that it
doesn't matter how spiritually aware you are at birth. When
you come here as a soul and you get into
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the body of a human being, it's like being schizophrenic.
It's like you're on two in two different places, because
the human experience is very different. You have a psyche,
you have emotions, you have experiences while you're growing up,
and some of those are positive and some of those
are negative. So you've got you've got two types of
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awareness as you've got your true orientation towards the other side,
your true home, and then you've got this human part.
And I think for some of us, for some people,
some memories may start to fade a little bit. We're
trying to fit into this world. You know, as a
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human being. You're born and your parents are in control,
and that can be positive and negative.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You have experiences along the way. For some people it's
traumatic experiences or abuse. So for a while, again in
interviewing people, there is this shift towards the focus being
on trying to fit in, you know, learning the ins
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and outs of being a human. And it seems that
at some point in the teen years, perhaps I don't
want to say that one has mastered we don't master
be a human. We may.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
First of all, no one masters anything in the teen years.
Let's just put it that straight up.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It is true. That is so true.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I'm joking. I'm joking.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you for the levity. Thank you for the levity.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Teenagers as a general statement, not the place. If I
may stop for a saying, I just heard this quote
the other day. It was just so brilliant. It was
Mark Twain who said, at fifteen I understood my parents
were clueless and understood nothing. But at twenty two I
was really impressed at how much they had learned in
seven years.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, yes, yes, which I think is a wonderful quotation.
It's a wonderful quotation, but I think it is that
based on the people I've interviewed, it's sometime during the
teen years, and it may be between thirteen and eighteen
that you know you're used to that human side now
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and you can put more of your attention back on
your spiritual side.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. You start connecting it.
It's it's interesting, I see, I see that because when
you're growing up, you're just trying to you're just bumping around,
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trying to learn how to walk. Your body starts to change,
so you're dealing with puberty and hormones and all sorts
of things at that age. And you but then once
you start getting past that, you go you settle in
for the ride.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Essentially, absolutely not that we stop growing, because there's there's
all there's always growth, but yeah, you settle in for
the ride, and you have more of your psychic capacity
that can focus on your inherent spiritual orient.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So let me ask you this, why do you believe
you specifically were given this blessing or curse depending on
how you look at it, and so many of us
do not have this ability.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
That's a wonderful question. I did chew on that, Alex,
and I feel that for those of us who have
these memories, we're allowed to have them because they are
to serve a purpose for what we are to do
while we're here. It's not like, okay, it's a free ride.
There's responsibility in it, depending upon what each of us
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is here to do. And I didn't understand. I can
understand better now when I was born, when I remembered that,
you know, okay, I had to be here because there
was something I was supposed to do. I thought it
had to do with acting and saying, and so I
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pursued that for years. And it wasn't until I started
doing this work, but especially since I started, since the
born aware phenomenon came to the forefront, did I realize, Oh,
that's it, because I need to get this information out
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there because it can be beneficial to other people. So
get it now. I get it now. I still don't
want to be here, but I can see it a
little better. So I really feel it's not because we're special,
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it's because we were allowed to have these memories because
of what we're supposed to do while we're here.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Now, you mentioned that when you or some other I'm
not sure if it was you or one of the
stories of somebody else who had a pre birth experience,
that you were upset when you showed up. You were
just like, ugh, I gotta learn again, and I can't.
I don't have all knowledge that I had before. Why
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do you think that You said that you were kind
of forced to come back. So my question is you
were Are you compelled to come back to reincarnate? Do
you have a choice in the matter. Can you stay
on the other side and chilax with the divine or
are you forced back to learn these fairly difficult, you know,
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lessons and journeys down here in the physical because this
is not for the faint of heart down here.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
No it's not. No, it's not. I think it varies
from one person to the next, because some people in
my book actually looked forward to come in here, and
I'm like, you're kidding. Some remember that they were given
a choice. I was not given a choice. It was like,
this is what you need to do, and I was like, okay,
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don't like it, but I understand that I'm supposed to
do it. I know that sounds strange. I think as humans,
especially in the past so many decades, we're really big
on what I want, what I want, I can have,
I can have what I want, I can manifest what
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I want. It's all up to me. I want, I want,
I want. It's what I want. I think on higher
levels you realize when you're on those levels on the
other side, Okay, I'm not in charge and we are.
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In fact, this is one of my things. I don't know,
you know, if people agree with it or not, but
I feel that while we're here, we're all playing roles
in this greater drama on this planet, as Shakespeare said,
absolutely like I feel that Shakespeare was plugged in. I
really do. Oh yeah, yeah. And that the goal I
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feel that we come to Earth to live human lives,
to learn and grow and unfold. We've all heard that
over and over again. But also for the roles we
play with other people in this greater drama, and I
feel that the goal is to push humanity forward. So
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that's just my sense.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, And a lot of times sometimes the role we
play the villain, and sometimes we play the hero, and
we choose to do so, absolutely, and somebody else's drama.
Like you know, you you are the villain and someone
else's drama. Though every villain, you know I come from
again from Hollywood, every villain always believes that they're the
hero of their own story. Of course, throughout the history,
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I mean, I always wondered, I'm like, how can like
Darth Vader show go to sleep at night, you know,
and just go I'm so evil? Like no, He's like no,
I that's my perspective is different and I have my
life experience has brought me to where I am and
this is how I'm doing things, and I don't care
if I heard other people. So there's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There's a perspective, absolutely, absolutely, and it has to do
with perspective, because as humans, we tend to see things
from our perspective. And that's another aspect of one thing
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I discussed in the book is what I call the
difference between the perspective on the human level and what
I refer to as a higher soul awareness which transcends
the human and can look at things very objectively, can
look at that drama going on and have a sense
when something happens on the world's age. Oh, I wonder
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if this is to accomplish such and such. So there's
a difference. And yes, it comes down to perspective.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And isn't it amazing? And I can only assume this
has happened to you in your life, and please correct
me if I'm wrong, that our perspective on our past
events changes over time, where at the moment it's happening,
this is the worst thing that has ever happened to
me in my entire life. To thank god that happened
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to me when that happened to me, because it did this, this, this,
and this for me and this this. But that's perspective,
that is distance, that is time. Oh my god, thank
god I didn't date that girl, or thank god I
didn't get that job. But at the moment you're like,
oh my god, my wife is over. I didn't get
the job I was dreaming of.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh yes, yes, the dark night of the soul. My
life is over. This is so painful. I will never
get through this. And yet I think there has to
be a willingness. There has to be something in us
that represents a willingness to look at things in retrospect.
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I like to say that when we go through something
negative and we come out the other side, and if
we can look back and see some of the benefits,
then we have transmuted that negative experience into something positive. If,
on the other hand, we stay stuck in the oh
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poor me, Oh it's so painful, then that's not good
for us.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you want to talk about dark Knight of the Soul.
Doesn't that happen like hourly when you're a teenager.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Absolutely, absolutely, it happened all the time. And of course
that was dramatic. Oh, nobody's ever been through anything like
this before.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
In the history of mankind. Orman, It's never ever happened. Yeah,
if you look back at stuff to happen when you
were a kid, and you're just like, at the time,
I just thought it was the world. The world is ending,
Like I got an f in that test. This is
going on my quote unquote permanent record.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I didn't I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh my god, why did I get that g I
Joe I wanted?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh, I just got that boy doesn't like me.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That boy said what about me? Like it's and we
joke about I'm bringing this up. The joke around it
but it's really to put perspective into what we hold
dear at certain times in our lives. We'll be right
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show. And as you get older, you start
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to I mean, if you're evolving in this life, you
start to realize that certain things are not things you
should be sweating about as much as when you were younger.
In going through things, you just hold on tight to
these events. You you start looking back, you just start going,
I'm so glad it all worked out the way it did,
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and it isn't a true though. Like as you look back,
you start to pleat the pieces together, like you like
you were you wanted to be an actress in music
and the arts, and you thought that was the path.
But then you look back and go, oh, that was
just preparing me for this work. All those experiences prepared
me for this work. Very similar thing happened to me
(31:35):
very I mean, I mean it's exactly almost exact thing.
My art was writing and filmmaking, and you know, it
always preparing me to do the work I'm doing right now.
In all honesty, it is something that has connected me
to that. But I always wondered, why am I Why
am I going down that path? If I'm not getting
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to where I want to be? What am I doing wrong?
Why do I keep failing? Or the successes I have
and aren't the successes that I really want? Or these
all these kind of thought patterns, and I was I.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Even said to God one of them, like, why would
you give me the love of this so hard and
yet not let me succeed at it at a even
a basic love exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Or thinking back on the opportunities that seemed like they
would be a major breakthrough and then for various reasons
they just poof exactly. But I think I think what
we're talking about, Alex, is it requires getting older and
having that perspective of being able to look back. We're
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less able to do that when we're teens or you know,
in our twenties. We have that that blessing of more time,
if age can be a blessed. But I used to
be caught up in the same thing, Alex. It really
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really resonates Oh no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
And I know a lot of people listening out there
right now might be like, why is what I really
want to do not happening for me? And if you
understand that there's a bigger picture at play here, there's
a bigger plan at play that will unfold in its time. Yes,
then you will only see in time why you're walking
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this path. But you have to kind of trust the
path you're walking. If you're going through something difficult in
your life right now, there is a reason for it.
If you're going through some wonderful things going on right now,
there's a reason for it. And that that process is
difficult for you to go to deal with.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's very, very difficult. But at the same time, I
would also add that I would recommend trying to develop
those inner resources mm hmm that help you gain that
perspective because a lot of people don't want to be told, well,
it's for your own good that that didn't happen at the.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Time the asparagus.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yes, yes, yes, and you will like it exactly now.
So if you if you develop those those those inner resources, meditation,
there's so many different modalities these days. Those actually give
us give us more tools to move through life and
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to gain the perspective.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now we've mentioned a couple of times about these plans,
life's plan and how things are being unfolded along our
path and we might not like it as it's unfolding,
and many times we don't trust me.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
I'm sure you men, yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
This concept of the sole blueprint, which has been discussed, uh.
I've just spoken to a couple of other pre birth
experiencers who've talked about remember even planning literally sitting down
at a table with a council of other elders or
beings to create their soule blueprint. What is your take
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on the concept of the sole blueprint per incarnation.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I'm a firm believer in it because the way the
way I look at this and the way I understand
this Alex is that on this level, on this planet
we have we have time. We have a past, present,
and a future. But when you get to a higher
levels on the other side, there's no time mm hmm.
(35:49):
So things are planned in advance, not out of controlling souls.
This goes back again to the greater drama, and all
these little pieces fit together. It transcends I feel our
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human ability to understand. But I feel that our lives
are planned. This does not preclude having free will, because
it was always no more our choices would be because
on those levels there's no time. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
It does make sense. My grasp on it is that
that there isn't there is a plan laid out, so
it's a probable plan, meaning that there's a probability that
you will walk this path, and we will guide you
in this path. You're going to be born to these
parents in this situation, which will start leaning you towards
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certain places and certain things that will be for your plan.
You at any time have free choice to do whatever
you like along that plan. And there is people who
will venture off. My near death experiences I've spoken to
say I went off so far are off that I
had to die to be woken up to go back
on the path that I was supposed to do in
this life. And some people just go off like the
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reservation and completely lose track of what they're supposed to
be doing. And sometimes they die and they're like, you
got to start over again, and you did you did
nothing that you said, this is not the way this
is going. What are you thinking? You were supposed to
be this and now you're doing this, you know, And
they're like, but I was having so much fun. I'm like, okay, great.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But now you see what I feel, alex is, even
that is part of the plan. Even diverging from what
we think the plan is, it's part of the plan.
That's why I'm saying it's very different to wrap our
human minds around this. There's all of those little pieces
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fit together because ultimately, if you have diverged from your
plan and you have a near death experience, you're on
a path.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
No, there's no question about it. It's really interesting. Now now
we're getting into esoteric kind of conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Isn't it fun?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It's so much fun because I agree with you that
there is that whatever you do in life becomes part
of the blueprint, becomes part of the record of what
you're doing. So if in this lifetime, I'm not supposed
to understand addiction, it's not part of what I'm supposed
to do in this lifetime. But all of a sudden,
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someone when I was younger, led me down a path
that I wasn't supposed to be on, and I kept
going down that path even though I wasn't supposed to
do it in this lifetime. I kept doing it for
a million different reasons. That becomes part of the lessons
that I learned in this life. It wasn't what I planned,
but it was part of the grander scale of what
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was going on. But there is still a free choice
to kind of.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Flow in this or that.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It's a the amount of planning, because again, being a director,
when I play a movie, I'm exhausted thinking about movies
and story plots and actors and sets. And it's in
a massive amount of planning. Can you imagine doing it
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for other universe, all the creatures?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
What should give us, what should give us a sense
of humility? Because we can't imagine being able to do that.
It's it's beyond.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's beyond the level of understanding that I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, if you throw in the monkey ranch of alternate
stop it, stop it.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Let's not get into the multiverse and parallel lives and
living multiple lives at the same time time and there,
because there's no time that you know everything has already happened.
We're just said, please, I've already gone down this road
so many times. It makes the hair, It makes the hair,
it makes the head. I've had quantum physicists who have
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talked to about this, and they're just like wonderful and
they're just like yeah, and then there's yeah, technically you
could do this, and yeah technically. It's it's such a
mad This is why I love doing this show. I
would love doing this show because of that, because it's
just an endless conversation. We'll be right back after a
(40:33):
word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.
This conversation will never end in any now because it
just it's all expansive, like the universe is expanding. These
kinds of conversations will never get old, get boring because
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it just expand and expand. And yes, a planet is
a planet, you know, but our planet has a very
different story than Mars does, and our solar system has
a very different story than other solar system. So it's
even though they're the same elements, they're just completely different.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And just similar but different.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And it just keeps going and go. That's why I
can have a talk to forty or fifty year death
experiencers and every single one is unique. Every single one
has its own lessons, every single one had to deal
with certain things when they came back. Even the pre
birth experiences that I've had on the show before very different.
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The effect they had on their lives, how they were
closeted in so many ways, you know which I want
to bring my next question with you, When did you
come out of the spiritual closet or were you always
out of the spiritual closet?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Well, I think part of this to Alex is when
I was growing up, you didn't find people. These were
not popular topics, and so yeah, we didn't really talk
about things like that. I remember, Oh, I remember when
I was probably twelve or thirteen, I was thinking about
(42:21):
successive universes and you know, alternate to mention, but nobody
to talk to about that. When I was an undergrad,
I found a couple of people, you know. It wasn't
until I would say my mid to late twenties, and
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there was just a little bit of conversation. And then
I was in a Mastermind group. You know, I'm sure
people are familiar with those, and so things started to
open up. I remember feeling the first time I attended
that that it was the first time I was really
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in a group a room with a group of people
interested these things. Again, I didn't know still didn't know
that my memories made, you know, were unusual. And started
working with my intuition. Still not knowing what I was doing.
I felt like I was an impostor, you know. So
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things were kind of revealed very very gradually to me.
And it was only when I started working on Born
Aware that I started to realize it was different because
I had not shared my memories with anybody. The way
the book came about is that in the context of
a session a client mentioned her memories. I said, oh, well,
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that makes two of us. And then a few months later,
in teaching a workshop on intuition, one person, in the
context of what she had experienced in one exercise, shared
her pre birth memory and that was when I went, oh,
that's three of us. I'm being given a message I
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need to look at this, and so things started to
unhold from there. So it was there were triggers. I
would say that there were triggers, and of course along
the way, I'm working on my issues at the same time.
M So it was a confluence, you know, of different factors.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Now I know you also speak a lot about intuition, yes,
and can you tell me what you believe intuition? Is
Is it something guiding us? Is it our spirit guides
is it the vine? Is it the angels or what
is that gut feeling that we get that little voice
in our head?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
What is it? I think it's I'd like to say
it's a complex set of phenomena. It's not just one
thing I think we have. I think everybody has the ability.
For many people, it's underneath the surface. I feel that
a lot of it has to do with brain waves
(45:12):
and a wisest research on brain waves and delta brain waves,
the deepest level, or he's sussing out the environment unconsciously.
I think sometimes intuition comes from deep within us, things
we were already exposed to that we had forgotten. I
think some of it is guided. When we talk about
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gut feelings, you've probably heard that. I don't remember how
many years ago, ten fifteen years ago, researchers found a
physiological basis for gut feelings. They're real. There's a knowing. Yes,
there are cells in the stomach that are similar to
those in a part of the brain that some scientists
(46:01):
now refer to the stomach as the little brain or
the second brain. And then there's some other research on
digestion and that affecting the brain. So there's a base,
there's a physiological basis for gut feelings. They are real science.
Science knows this now. So I feel like it's a
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lot of different It presents itself in a lot of
different ways, and yes, some of it is guided. I
do not feel that we have to go through know
our guides to be intuitive. And when I teach intuition,
I teach the method I use, which is basically closing
your eyes, going to a deeper, deeper level of consciousness
(46:46):
and posing your question and seeing what comes in. And
that's that's trying to access information on demand. But we
also get information excuse me that we're not deliberately trying
to get And it varies from one person to the
next with regard to the form that it comes in.
(47:09):
There are many, many different forms of intuition. There's there's
information that comes to you. There is a kinesthetic where
you feel energy that gives you information. Some people are clairvoyant,
which literally French eye was a French major clear seeing.
Some people hear voices, whether they're external or in their heads.
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For some people, colors may have meaning and they can
get information just with colors they're presented.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Let me ask you this because I've seen some research
in regards to frequency, and that the brain waves when
you go into meditation, you know the delta alpha, alpha, delta,
and then I think I forget what's underneath delta or
even something even deeper. Some of the meditators so that
these Tibetan monks can go even deeper than what they
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were that anyone could reinsister her before. And even channelers
are being connected to these machines and they when they channel,
you can see their brain waves just changed to a
whole other place while they're still awake. Is this a
frequency thing as well, just as a universal law that
(48:27):
at this radio station, this kind of information is available.
At this radio station, this kind of information is available.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I love that question. I feel that brain waves have
something to do with it, that it's important to get
to below beta and even alpha, get into beta delta,
and of course gamma is like a sudden insight. And
I have to say that there a woman in California,
Valerie Haunt, who researched brain waves for years of intuitives
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and healers, and she has a book out called Infinite Mind.
I think in some cases it's a matter of getting
on the right frequency to get information. So I feel
that that has an awful lot to do with it.
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We talk about resonance, picking up on information that's resonating
with us. I think a lot of it does have
to do with frequency, the delta brain waves. Anna Wise's research,
she she defined she equated delta brain waves with the unconscious,
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with the unconscious being you know kind of process is
not a repository of information, and that the delta brainwaves
are only sussing out the environment, you know, to see
what informa is there. I've had the sense with the
method that I use that I call tuning in that
is like a frequency, like tuning into the right frequency.
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And at the same time, I've always felt that information
is energy. Energy carries information. So if you think about it,
we are surrounded by information which is surround So sometimes
it is a matter of tuning into the right frequency
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or a part of our sensing or consciousness that senses
being able to get to the right target.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
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Speaker 2 (50:49):
Theoretically we should be That means theoretically we should have
access to absolute knowledge while we're here. But then on
the other hand, I knew when I was born, that
I couldn't have that while life's here. But the concept,
the theory is that it's all a lie out there.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Well, you know, it's very interesting. I just had a
conversation with a Nobel Prize nominee who lives in the
who was talking about the Akacak records in the quantum field,
and that is a field. Thing you're talking about is
the aquantum field that we all are connected to and
that we can easily not easily, but you can't kind
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of tap into if you can find a way to
tune in. Meditators are able to do it. People who
understand how to read the Akashak records can do it.
But the Akashak field, the Akashak records, this is stuff
that science is talking about. And obviously this is stuff
that the Veda texts and old ancient texts, Sumerian texts
(51:50):
and tablets have been talking about Akashak forever. So these
ideas are not new aage woo woo by any stretch.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, no, no, no, they're not. And I don't tend
to think of it as a caustic records because it's
in information and it's everywhere, all at once we live
in this information, we live in it. It is every way.
(52:20):
But I think here on this planet as humans, things
are separated on those other levels. On the other side,
there there there's less division. I don't mean in conflict,
but less separation.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's all there's no walls. There's no walls disconnecting you
from the information. That's again, when I talk to near
death experiences, they say, oh, I was over there and
I had an immense download of everything. So I'm like, oh,
I understand quantum physics now, Oh, I understand this now.
But when they came back, they're not allowed to bring
it back with them.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yes, that's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
But also to be fair, I just don't think that
our computer can handle the processing that it would take.
I agree, our nervous system, our brain, it's not designed
to it. There's a limitation in the design, very specifically
designed that way, so we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yes, in order to navigate this three dimensional world, we
have to give up some things. We have to lose
some of those abilities to be able to navigate in here.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Do you think that because I'm fascinated with psychedelics, I've
never taken any myself, but I'm fascinated by the stories,
what people see, what people get access to. Do you believe,
just from your own perspective, that when you take a
psychedelic or plant medicine, that it brings your frequency to
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a level where you can open doors that have been
closed to you, very similarly to do what yogis do
naturally through meditation into practice to get through those doors
as well. That's why they live there a little longer.
And the psychedelic is a very limited pass inside the right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yes, yes, yes, And I'm going to preface this and
say that I have not taken a psychedelic either, and
I haven't. I've read a little bit, but I haven't
heavily researched this. But my sense is that they tend
to remove the separations and the barriers, right, And they
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may have a temporary effect in that regard, But at
the same time I'm hearing also some permanent effects. They
may help to shift perspective, They may help to see
connections and take us out of the box, you know,
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of our part normal perception. And there are cultures, you know,
the alex their cultures that incorporate them and their their spiritual.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Practices traditions ayahuasca alone down in South America. Yes, yes,
that is an absolute miracle that that exists. Do you
know that you know how those do you know how
they make ayahuasca? No, two different plants from two different
sides of the jungle that have no reason to be together.
(55:38):
But someone along the way said, let's take plant A
and plant B and when they're combined, and only when
they're combined does ayahuasca? Is ayahuasca created?
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Wonderful?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
It makes no sense, makes like literally undreds of makes sense.
Hundreds of miles away from each other, they just made
They would have never connected. But somewhere along the line
that information was given to somebody, and it is a
very healing uh process. But we won't get into We're
won't go down the psychedelic world because that's a whole
other deep, deepcast.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
That's been researched, that's been researched too. You know that
that's been researched with spiritual spiritual applications and and outcomes.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Well, yeah, and now because they've kind of lifted the
veil on LSD and silas lyin silus, seize hybin and
those kind of things that we're kind of banned from
the sixties because of all the craziness the sixties. Now
they're actually researching it again. When I say craziness, I
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say it with all the love in the world. But
now they're actually universities are allowed to do it and
it's helping a lot of people. So it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
It is, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. If you can't if
you if you can't come to those spiritual vistas or
experiences any other way, then sometimes those are aids to
that end.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
When I spoke to a yogi about this, it's so fascinating.
I spoke to a yogi in India about this and
he said something so profound. He's like, when people take
these medicines and they take these psychedelics, what they're doing
is opening a door that they were not invited into.
And you must be aware and be careful when you
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go into those doors because you might not be prepared
for what happens, which is what a bad trip is,
or these things I was saying, as opposed to a
yogi who spends twenty thirty years preparing to walk in
that door, and then then once they walk in, they
could stay there and come and go as they please
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because they have time and preparation to go on there,
as opposed to chea and kind of sneaking past the
guard with psychedelics, which again has its place. But understand
there are risks involved when you do.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
It absolutely because you may not know how to assimilate
the experience and those insights.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Oh God, one has to be absolutely.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
One has to be because it can turn one's life
upside down, just as a near death experience can.
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yes, exactly now, from your point of view and your perspective,
what actually happens to us when the physical body dies.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
I have seen and I'll share that I've been asked
by clients over the years to look at those who
have passed on, and I think a lot of it
depends upon the person's life at the time. Their experience
is what they were going through. There are some blessedly
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peaceful transitions. I'm sure you know. There's been a lot
more research into pre death communication before you know. Pasted
on loved One's visit it says there's seven stages.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
From my understanding of the seven or twelve stages or
something along those lines.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, But but the past on loved ones are are
trying to reassure the person who's in the process of dying,
who will be dying, you know that that there is
something on the other side. And my sense is we
we basically, excuse me, lose our orientation to the three dimensional.
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We still have access to it, but our consciousness, our
soul is freed up, is no longer bound. And again
I feel like this varies from one person to the next.
I mean, if it was a traumatic death, oh yeah,
of course, or the life had been traumatic, it may
not be as easy or as peaceful. And my sense is, yes,
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we are greeted by loved ones or they help us,
and whether we see the divine, my sense is at
some point after we transition, we drop what I call
the persona of that lifetime. We will still have access
to it in the future. We don't forget that it existed,
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but we get into what I call our higher soul awareness.
And I feel, and this will vary from one person
or soul to the next, that in some cases we
are actually watching what is going on two loved ones
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who are still here. I want to say dispassionately, but
there's still a feeling of connection and love. We talked
about people talk about the life review. I feel like
that's instantaneous, and I feel like that is connected to
dropping the human persona and getting into the higher soul awareness.
Because we can we start to gain the objectivity.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I feel that whether we're guided to do it or
whether it happens spontaneously, we start to see from that
higher perspective our lifetime, the people we knew, our interactions, interactions.
We start to see the reasons why things happen. We
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touched upon this earlier, and at some point after this,
when we are firmly entrenched in the higher soul awareness,
we go onto whatever's next for us on the other side.
And that can be going to a place of study,
be taught, It can be guiding people. There are a
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number of possibilities. I started working on my next book
four years ago and haven't had a chance to get
back to it. But it's really about what the other
side is like, based upon people's memories, and one woman
in particular remembers levels on the other side. She remembers
being one of those who were guiding and teaching and
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part of a council. And so for some people, we
may go to some of those study groups, we may
be counseled, and I know there's a lot going on
that I'm not even privy to.
Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, it's it's a it's again, this is an endless conversation.
And it's fascinating to have these conversations because it just
at least opens our eyes to the possibility of what
is why we hear what this is all about? Well,
you know, why is you know, a tree a tree
(01:03:02):
and I'm here and this happened to me or that
happened to me, and what happens on the other side,
and to understand that there is another side and that
you know, Aunt Jane is okay you know?
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And absolutely and and and to make it more interesting,
I know that after we've transitioned, we also have access
to all those other personas, yes, and from other lifetimes.
Like it's not like dissociating or being a multiple, but
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we do have all these other personas and we are
aware of them. We're in the higher soul awareness, but
we're aware of them. They don't kind of evaporate, right.
I think that that makes it more complex and more interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Oh, the word complex is that it doesn't even cover
what's happening. I mean the amount of complexity, of the
amount of complexity of our human body in itself. It
is such a complex machine that we still truly don't
understand the whole, the whole mechanism of it, as.
Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Much as we'd like to believe we do.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Then let's not even get into the complexity of the Earth,
of ecosystems, and let's not even start going off off
planet to the universe. I mean, it's just barely scratching
the surface of the complexity of everything that is around us.
So it's really it's one hell of a ride. Let's
just put it that way. It is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
It is that I want, I want to use the
word wonder.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah. Oh, they're wonder of it all.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
There's so much, Yes, there's so much to be in
wonder of because the complexity, I feel is beautiful and
we may not be able to grasp it all at once,
but we can be in awe of the fact that
it exists.
Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And that we and that we in a lifetime will
never be able to explore every aspect of everything. It's impossible.
I mean, just just so you know, a master chef
in Japan, who's a sushi chef. When he when a
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trainee is with him, an apprentice, They work on rice
for seven years, just cooking rice, under even to understand
the complexities and the nuances of rice.
Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So yes, all the different all the different varieties.
Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
And how you do it and when you do it,
and the timing and the perfection of it, and just
rice before they ever touch a fish, it's all right.
So can you imagine that complexity of that level two?
A master carpenter or a master storyteller, a master artist,
or a master engineer. It's just too much information. But
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on the other side, we have access to all of it,
which is so we do, which is all we do.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
We don't get bored, don't and and it is I'll
use it the phrase everybody uses positive energy, you know, love, acceptance, support, positive,
It's just it's a great place to be.
Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Now, Dan, I'm going to ask you a few questions.
Ask all my guests, what is your definition of living
a fulfilled life.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's a sense of knowing who you are in a
deep level. I use the term our essence and being
able to express that outwardly through activities and enjoy it
and feeling positive about what you're doing, and even when
(01:07:06):
there is disappointment or there is struggle, to have that
perspective that it's temporary and is happening for a reason.
To me, that's that's fulfillment. To be able to experience
positive not just focusing on positive, but to enjoy the
(01:07:28):
complexity of rice, for example, or you know of your
child's smile or your dog greeting you. To be able
to enjoy that there are things outside of you which
all exists for a reason and that you're part of too.
(01:07:54):
So I use a very, very broad definition of fulfillment,
and even if you have a somewhat narrow focus enjoying
it feeling positive about yourself and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
If you had a chance to go on a time
machine and go back in time to the little girl
that you used to be, what advice would you give her.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I would probably say, hang in there, because it's all
happening for a reason, and there are going to be many, many,
many bumps in the road. They're going to be disappointments,
but it's important that you always remember that it all
is happening for a reason, and you will come out
the other side. You will find a sense of fulfillment
(01:08:42):
and you will get to go home one day.
Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
How do you define God?
Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
God is that massive energy that cannot be contained, that
is totally in control and is the master of all,
the great director in the sky, the great conductor in
(01:09:09):
the sky, and is approachable, is accessible, It's not just
this far off concept that has no relation to life
on this level.
Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I think on planet Earth the ultimate purpose of life
is to learn, grow and help to move humanity forward.
I don't know the purpose of life throughout the cosmos
because my understanding is our experience of life is very
(01:09:51):
different on this planet and in other life forms, et cetera,
et cetera. And I'm a firm believer that we live
lives everywhere as different life forms, not just as a
human on this planet, but that it has to do
with participating in the huge, greater drama, not just on
(01:10:12):
this planet in some way, and and moving things forward.
I don't understand it. I don't understand the totality. I
can't but to know that it's all happening for reasons.
Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
And where can people find out more about you and
the work that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Oh, that's easy. My website is Diane Brandon dot com.
D I A N E D R A N D
O N dot com and I have four books out.
I used to have a podcast years ago. Stop doing
that several years ago, but my website is probably the best,
the best way.
Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
And do you have a parting message for the audience.
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
I would say that there is so much more within you.
Allow yourself to explore your depths, embrace your true self,
your essence, open up and connect with every other living
being outside of you as much as you can comfortably
develop your potential. You have a lot of potential, sometimes
(01:11:28):
it's hidden within you. Work on healing and removing any
blocks to your fulfillment and allow yourself to live vibrantly
and lead a purposeful life.
Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And thank you so much for this conversation and for
the work that you're doing in the world to help
weaken the planet. So I appreciate you for sharing your story,
my dear Thank you again.
Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Thank you so much, Alex. I appreciate you and the
work you're doing. It's wonderful. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I want to thank Diane so much for coming on
the show and sharing her journey with all of us.
If you want to get links to anything we spoke
about in this episode, head over to the show notes
at Next levelsoul dot com Forward slash two nine to one. Now,
if this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting.
You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on
Next level Soul TV's app where Soul meets streaming. Watch
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and listen on Appleios, Android, Apple TV, Ruku, Android TV, Fire,
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at Next levelsoul dot tv. Thank you so much for listening.
As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to
teach you. I'll see you next time.
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