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the show, we welcome channeler Illunia. Now, Lunia and I
have a deep conversation in studio about her journey as
a channel But then we have a live channeling where
we discuss the great shift that is coming for humanity
in this year, what's going to happen for the rest
of this year, and much much more. Let's dive in,

(02:02):
like to welcome to the show, Illunia.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hi, Luna, very well, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Thank you so much for coming all the way down
to Next Level SOOL Studios to do this a conversation.
So I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
You're welcome. Yeah, it's fun to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
So first question is you're a channeler. I always like
to ask what was your life like before the insanity
of channeling came into your life?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
That is a very good question, you know it really was.
It was just more subtle. I would say. I had
a life that was very quiet. I spent a lot
of time alone, and even when even when I was
working kind of a more regular job than I am now,
I spent a lot of time trying to connect with
my guides and feeling them and knowing they were there,

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but not really knowing what to do with that. And
I was a teacher of children. I was a Montessori teacher,
so I taught children for six years, and during that
time I knew knew that what I was really doing
was having the opportunity to heal my inner child, and
so I really just fully embrace that. That's really what
my guides explained to me in the ways that I

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could understand them at the time, not auditory like they
do now, But they explained to me that it was
my time to heal things that I had been through
and experiences that I hadn't gotten to fully reconcile that
really all had to be healed during that time, because
if it hadn't, then there are more distortions that can
come out when you are a channeler. Because if my

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experience and my understanding has been that if there's still
an unhealed part of you inside. Then when you are
trying to work with someone, you're going to see that.
You're going to project it because that's a human thing
to do, and then you're going to see that in
the other person when that's not necessarily the accurate.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Thing to see in them.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
It's really you are seeing part of yourself and not
actually what the other person has going on. So my
life before channeling was a series of undoing and I
would say a series of slow awakenings of softenings so
that I could become as clear as possible as I
am now. And I you know, I'm still a human,
so I still have distortions, and I really I try

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to work through them every single day. But that was
that was a big part of my life.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Have you been able to tap into your older your
older past lives? And before we get into your past lives,
I'd always like asking this question. The concept of past life,
future life, current life there is doesn't exist for my understanding.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I actually say parallel lives correct.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
So from what I understand, it's like plates packed or
records tapped on top of each other, and you can
kind of just go in and hour I love that
visual in and out.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Of lives because we think of it as a linear line.
I like, yeah, I'm not, you know, I don't have.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
To go all the way back to Rome, go all
the way back to Atlantis or something along those lines
where it's like this, And that's why you can kind
of jump back and forth. Can you explain to people
how all of our lives is happening at the exact
same time?

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Ooh sure, I love this question. Yes, it might not
make a lot of sense. I actually have I've gotten
I've had the privilege in the gift of actually seeing this,
So it might not make a lot of sense to
others who have not seen it or don't quite understand.
But it's a fractal that's really that's really the answer.
So all of life, all of experience, is folding in

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on itself constantly, and it's all turning in. And I
was actually just having a conversation about this yesterday. It
is so incredible to me and my heart is just
filled with it sings, It sings with this truth. The
Creator is so intelligent that it can be have a
It is a fractal experience as far as we know,

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because it's far beyond human comprehension. But it is a
fractal experience constantly turning in on itself, that is so
intelligent that it can turn its attention and consciousness into
the most microscopic awareness and be here right now having
this conversation while in an actuality. This conversation has already happened,

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it's already done, but yet it's also going to go
on forever because the universe and the Creator are a
fractal so it's constantly churning in. That is the way
that I see it, because that's the from a quantum
physics perspective, that is the truth. That is actually what's happening.
In terms of a slightly easier way to maybe understand
it is like what you mentioned, or another way is

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if each reality is a box, then you can just
move between the boxes. You can like a like a cubicle.
You can jump from cubicle to cubicle and see the
different experiences that are happening all at the same time,
and it's all you. And it's because your soul is
not bound in time and it is not bound by space,
just as the Creator is not. It's your soul is

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a reflection of the Creator, so it is not bound
in time and space, and so it's able to have
multiple experiences all at once because it does not see
from only this one microscopic perspective. It sees from as
many perspectives as your soul is able to see from,
which I don't know the answer to how many that is.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
But wouldn't it need to still have some sort of
linear movement in the sense that if Atlantis you learned
a lesson, and in Rome you forgot that lesson and
made the mistake again, and in Victorian times you learned
the lesson, there's an evolution.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
There, there is, and the way that I described that
it is spiracle, and that's not a real word, but
it's a spiral that moves up. It's a spiraical evolution.
It is not a linear evolution. And the other thing
that is different that we must remember is that while
we are talking about our soul having multiple perspectives all
at once, we also have to remember that that soul

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is infinite, because there are infinite universes and infinite dimensions
in which that soul is perceiving all of those different
things at once. So it is far beyond our ability
to comprehend that it's.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Like a really insane Chris Nolan movie.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
That you understand it.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yes, it's a completely insane It's like if Interstellar mess
and it holds in on itself, then you dabble bane
on top of it.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I mean, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
That is a perfect understanding.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I always like asking that question because it's not an
easy thing to understand. But from again, from my perspective
of speaking to people on the other on the other side,
or people who talk to the other side, the concept
of a soul, you know, I always I always joke
that Jesus is the hardest working man in show business
because he shows up to all these undas that come in.
They're always in these near death experiences and it's either.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Buddha or yeah, Jesus. Jesus always seems to show up.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
He's around, He's always around, and and I'm like, man,
this guy's just working hard, like he's got to run
over here and run over there. And the concept is that,
I mean, that's the way we think about it, like.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Right, like, oh, but John's but I got to I
got his schedule, Like no, he's early off like that,
Like Jesus is stressed out.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Can you imagine, like Jesus like, oh, what's today?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
How many fifty hundred souls today are? How am I
gonna get to them all?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Today?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I got prayers coming in and the world going to hell.
I mean I can't.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Oh gosh, And that's only in this this time, this time,
I got thousands and millions of other timelines.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I got a deal with.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh, so I can imagine he's stressed out, Jesus gonna
die of a heart attack. But anyway, but no, the
reason that concept idea is that they can be on
the other side. Your soul can be in multiple places
at the same time. So from my understanding, when a
medium is talking to let's say Grandma, the grandma you

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knew in this life, well, that version of that soul
can show up as a fractal and still talk to
like that person and have the memories and all that
stuff and have a with you.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
But that soul's.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Already somewhere else, Like in our head, we're like, what's
grandma doing? She's just like waiting around all day?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Is she chilling?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
She playing bingo? Like what is like what's happening during
the day? That's the way, that's the only way we.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Can think about it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
But if you think about it as a fractal I
love that word fractal way, that the soul is a
million different places.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's it might be already incarnated.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
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Speaker 4 (10:33):
Show, right And you know, it's interesting that you bring
that up because of part as I mentioned with with
mediumship abilities.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Part of actually that.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
That was normal for me as a child, and that's
part of actually how I got into this. Before I
started channeling for people, I was doing mediumship things. And
part of my understanding is that I think that what's
going on is that sometimes when people are tuning into
as a medium, when they're tuning into that energy, they
are actually tuning into exactly what you said. It's the memory,
it's the energetic residue that is left over from that

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person that you're able to tune into. Because of course
energy doesn't go anywhere, it just transforms. So if that
energy has not had a chance to transform, whether that's
because if it's my grandmother, maybe I'm carrying some of
the energy from my grandmother because there's something that I
have left undone with her, or that I didn't get
a chance to say, whatever it might be. Then if
I go see a medium, they're going to tune into

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that energy that actually is really just me. It's actually
my energy of my grandmother that I'm carrying. But because
it's my memory, because it's actually an energetic residue from
my grandmother, the medium is able to share all kinds
of things of like, oh, and your grandmother used to
use this handkerchief all the time, and now you have it,
and blah blah blah. All of that stuff is still real,
it's just being looked at from a temporal landscape.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Well, how about and I get that with Grandma because
Grandma has a handful of people, remember Grandma. Yes, But
when you're talking about Robin Williams, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great,
Clear Patra, these people who are throughout history known, they
can't kind of just fade. That's true as much so.

(12:10):
Robin is a big one, Robin Williams. I mean, I've
had so many interactions and I met Robin once when
he was alive. What amazing, beautiful, amazing, amazing soul. Yeah,
And I know a lot of people who knew him,
but like Robin shows up all the time in other
people's and these because he was just such a beloved

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he was such a beloved soul.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
On this planet.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, you so see.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
And that's part of the way that I look at
it is those all of those beings that you mentioned
that are well known, they remain and forever will in
the collective.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Memory of humanity.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
If there is a being who has truly made some
kind of impact or is just in the collective memory
Jesus right, they're going to stay around. Looking into the
acotic records of those beings is different because you're actually
looking at whatever it is that you're able to see.
If you're an acahic channeler, You're you're looking at their
entire life period, their lifetrack, at least in this lifetime,

(13:05):
possibly even into their other past lives, like previous to
Robin Williams being Robin Williams, Who was he?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
What did he do?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
You're able to see that. That's different than someone than
the energy coming through in an ND or in even
a mediumship experience. It's it's different. And I don't I'm
not saying that's always the case, but I do know
that that's partially what's going on.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
So going back to your past lives, what past lives
do you have you been given access to? And you
know how far back do you go?

Speaker 4 (13:35):
That's a lovely question. So I actually can see any
any past life that I want. I don't do that
when I when I very first started looking into into
the records, I can see everything, and I realized, okay, wait,
this is this is so much information that I don't
actually know what's helpful here, Like I'm seeing this past life,
but is that actually necessary? That That's what started guiding

(13:55):
me to working with the Acaca guides very specifically, and
then also the person's higher self. So that has shifted
my my use of the Acashak records, and I do
the same for myself. I don't just go nosing around
even though it's my my information. There are things that
are not meant to be remembered. There's a reason why
the earth is set up in a way where you
come in and you don't remember anything like that's not
how it has to be, That's not how I think

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it's going to stay. But there are certain things that
simply don't need to be remembered. So I don't go
poking around. But I have seen pretty pretty much the
majority of my past human lives. I actually haven't had
that many compared to some people. I haven't had too
many human lives. And I've gone back in two times
in Limuria and Kem previous to ancient Egypt. Those are

(14:37):
two very major lived lifetimes that I've had here on Earth,
and then of course beyond that, before I came to Earth,
I've seen almost all of those as well.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So Lameria, can you talk a little bit about your
past life? Any any stories in Lamaria? Yeah, because Lamara
is one of those those those I mean, Atlantis gets.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
All the press it does. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
It was Plato. It was Plato marketing great mark getting
on the Atlantic. I mean he built that thing up
a lot and carried along the marketing campaign behind the land.
Is this great? And it's still That's why Titanic will
continue to be talked about. There's been many other sinkings,
more casualties, but the marketing, the story, and then of

(15:19):
course Leo and Kate. But anyway, Jack and Jack and Rose,
but anyway, we could go on forever as they do them. Sorry, please,
it was there I couldn't help it. But but Atlantis
gets all the pressed. But Lumiria, from my understanding, was

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around at the same time, kind of like the US
and Europe are around at the same time. Two very
different you know, or China and Europe and the US,
two very different cultures going on two different paths in
a sense, What was your experience of Lumeria and what
they had to offer the like, what's what happened during

(16:02):
that time period versus if you had any memory of
Atlantis at all.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
So in Lemyria, my own lifetime was actually very interesting there.
It's it's somewhat what I mentioned earlier about having coming
in with with a wide amount of I guess spiritual abilities.
I don't really know what other word to call them,
psychic abilities, which was very normal in Lamyria for beings
to come in with their their third eyes wide open.
They're they're able to tune into healing. That's really what

(16:31):
Lemuria was known for because right from the get go, basically, yeah,
because the culture of that time and the way that
those beings lived. When when humans, when souls came in
to inhabit those bodies, they were almost immediately able to
go into what we would consider to be the fifth dimension.
That does not mean that they left their physical body.
It means that they are accessing their multidimensional self, so

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they they have their third dimensional body, but they're able
to be in the fifth dimension, which allows them to
see things differently, perceive things differently, and access different energies.
So that that was part of my experience. Again normal
in Lemuria for the most part, and so I was
a healer and I did various things there and what

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was taking place in Atlantis, because the lifetime that I
had was during this shift that happened in Atlantis, and
Atlantis was already going through a lot of shifts. They
were moving very rapidly. The Limurian culture they got to
a place where they were very content, so they were
evolving in a five dimensional space, but not a three

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dimensional space. That's one of the main distinctions between Lemuria.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
And Atlantis that I have seen.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Atlantis was able to evolve highly in a third dimensional
space and somewhat accessing the fifth dimensional space as well.
But that's why a lot of people talk about how
Atlantis was about technology while Lemuria was about healing. That's
a very common distinction, and it's again five D three D.
So when Atlantis had this kind of compulsion come up

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in them, which I have seen part of the story
of that and how that took root in the culture,
it very much shows just the collective nature of humanity.
This idea came in Atlantis where they said, okay, so
we've been doing this whole being in rhythm.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
With the Earth thing.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
But what happens if we decide to go into a
space where we use more of our willpower, where we
use more force to move ahead, to move into a
different space of evolution? What can we accomplish there? What
happens then? When that question was asked, and then that
those paths were gone down in a very i'll say
aggressive way, that's when things shifted in Atlantis and a

(18:41):
different energy kind of took hold in the mind body
of those people. That of course affected Lamyria. It came
back to Lemuria because now they're experiencing a different level
of energy. They are so tuned into the Earth that
they pretty in more or less new in some capacity.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Energetically.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Things were shifting over there, and things were happening. When
Atlantis kind of came and I'll say, tried to infiltrate
Lamyria in the ways that they did. After a very
long story with me trying to change things in Atlantis,
there's kind of this story of like an underground kind
of message trying to happen between myself and other people

(19:24):
in the Muria and Atlantis. That is what I was doing,
is I was trying to shift things and just influence things,
but from Lemuria rather than going to Atlantis itself. That
didn't work, and the Atlantean people, some of them came
to infiltrate Lemuria. And when that took place, the Lemurian
people previously had not really experienced any level of major

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fear or trauma, as we mentioned earlier, So this is
essentially the first major trauma that almost anyone in Limuria
is facing that did something to their bodies. And the
way that I can word it and understand it is
that it grounded them so they were not able to
access the fifth dimension as easily. They became much more
in their three dimensional bodies exactly because they were bound

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by fear. Fear traps us in this body because the
body says, I need attention, there's something major going on.
You need to take care of us and save us
and keep us safe. So of course, fear grounds you.
Fear is what keeps you dense and locked in.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
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Speaker 3 (20:35):
That took place.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
And I was not able to get beyond that in
that lifetime, that the fear was too much for me
as a being in that story that I was playing out,
which I was a man actually in that lifetime, in
that story, I couldn't get over it. I could not
get beyond it, and it really did consume me.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
It took a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
And so that lifetime and things that I went through
there that essentially set up my Again, my understanding is
that it kind of set up the rest of the
lives that I've had here on Earth as a human,
those beyond those kind of special times of humanity, the
Golden Ages and all of that of Kem and Atlantis.
After that, the rest of my lives have kind of

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been set up because of that lifetime, including this one.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Actually.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So you're familiar with the Yugas, right, m hmm. Okay,
So the concept of the Yugas by Uk the Schwa
right there who came out with the book The Holy
Science for everybody listening, is twenty four thousand year cycle
of enlightenment. We start here, then we go into the
dark ages, which is down here, and then we come
back in. That's the cycle, and that humanity goes through

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these twenty four thousand year cycles. When Atlantis was starting
to go dark, let's say it was just they were
going they were going to full bane. If we bring
that back around, they were starting to go full bane.
They that was towards the we were starting to leave

(22:01):
the high Enlightenment because Atlantis, to my understanding, was a
more spiritually advanced civilization than we are.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Oh yes, certainly year.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
By far right exactly. But then they started getting into
the technology, into the third dimension really heavily, and they
started to lose the connection where you guys in Lamia
were very much connected, but then got ranked back down right.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
And that's exactly what's interesting that I would say the
people in Limuria, they were living outside of that cycle.
The cycle exists because that's the cycle that humanity agrees
to collectively to keep going around, and the Lemurian people
were not living in that cycle. They were living mostly
on the outside of it. But when you only have

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what I don't know, thirteen percent of the population of
the world living in one way, it's not enough to
change the collective. And the Atlantean Empire, as it was
an empire, had a lot, a lot more influence than
the Lemurian people, so that it affected us, and there's
no blame there. It's also part of the evolution that we're.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Supposed to go through as a species.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So this is just where we are, right And then
you got, guys, kind of got yanked back down.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
We did, We got pulled back into the cycle.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Come on, guys, come on, it's fun over here.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
We're in the dark.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're in the dark. It's great. Have you seen that?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Man?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
But so so so we were so then during this
this darkened, darkening time is when we started to leave
the Age of Enlightenment. And that could have been thousands
of years from the peak of everyone is as close
to source as possible. This twelve thousand, this twelve thousand

(23:38):
year ago, the younger dryest, because I know you're a
lost civilization, you know, a fan as well as I am,
so the younger dryest. When there was an event that
you know, created the Great Floods, and and you know,
all the great flood myth that we hear and kind
of destroyed humanity in a certain way, we set us.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
We kind of got thrown back.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
To this literally almost to the stone, washed it clean,
washed it clean, quite literally. Where were we, from my understanding,
where we were in the cycle was? I mean, we
were pretty far down. If it's maybe like four o'clock
on on the on the on the on the face,
because I mean the dark ages is that's the bottom,

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that's six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I mean, when nothing.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Happened for hundreds of years. I mean it was just dark.
Then the Renaissance came and we started to come back out,
and we are now on the upward swing.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And we could see that, I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
From our technology, from the conversation we're having now in
a public forum without being burned to the steak.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Or phone.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Or shot at this point, again, at least in this culture,
many other cultures around the world. There are other cultures
other places, just like Lameria, who live outside of the
rest of the consciousness of humanity. So where were we
in that cycle at the twelve thousand year when when
the Younger Drives happened and Lamiria was wiped out. Atlantis

(25:01):
was wiped out, and a handful of from my understanding,
was only Atlantean's. I'm not sure if it was some
Lamarans who went off to different areas of the world
and kind.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Of try to rebuild, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Humanity, like obviously in Kem, obviously in meso America and
other areas around the world.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
So what I have seen is that the Lemurian people,
the majority of them, left this kind of western the
west coast of the near the United States and also
actually partially land that's not there right now. They left
and they went south. So some of them went to
went basically to various Polynesian islands, it's the easiest way
to say it. They went to different places. The earth

(25:40):
also looked very different at that time, so that like
now they're small islands, and they weren't quite that way before.
There were already indigenous people living in those areas. Just
like how there were indigenous people living all over the
world that were not in Atlantis and also were not
in Limyria. So just like how we have I guess
cultures in South America that are untouched, right, that don't

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know about other people exactly just like that that was.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
The same thing.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
There were people all over the place that were not
necessarily in either one of those cultures. So the Lemurian
people they joined another culture essentially they kind of like
took over. And there are certain concepts that we can
see that are parallel from Lemuria to like the cultures
in the Aboriginal spaces. The stories that they would tell,
they know that it's from the Lemurian people. They talk

(26:30):
about that the Lamurians accessing more of the five dimensional
consciousness and kind of interacting in that space that is
really likened to the dream space. That is a huge
concept in the Aboriginal culture is that dreaming is actually
where life happens. That's like more important than waking life
because of the things that you're able to access, So

(26:51):
that can easily be seen the influence there. And then
with Atlantis, of course it's it's really everywhere. You can
see a lot of it everywhere. But the beings what
I am curious about exploring more because I've only gotten
a hint of this. There are beings from Atlantis that
even though that whole shift happened, and even though there

(27:13):
was we'll say darkness again just for ease. Even though
that was all taking place, they actually still believed in
what they were doing. They still believed that that was
the right thing to do. That it didn't matter that
the flood had come, it didn't matter that things had
started to shift in a way that clearly did not
look good. They still held by what they believed to
be the right thing. And some of those have also

(27:35):
started cultures. There are cultures that exist now, like the
Roman Empire. I do have from what I understand, and
I really have not been able to look into it,
so it's a very small understanding, but that is really
an offshoot of Atlantean beings who are not really concerned
about holding things in a way that is balanced, that
is similar to what we would consider to be spiritual beliefs.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, I mean, the Roman Empire came up long time
after it.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Did, and the the the ancestry of that, the real
the way that that started, of what it means to
build an empire, that's that's an Atlantean that's an Atlantean
trait exactly or idea. And then other beings, like you mentioned,
from Atlantis, they went to they went to Egypt, and
again there were other people already living there, just like

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there were around the world, and they did something similar
to Lemuria, where they brought the the information and the
beliefs or the teachings that they felt would be helpful
to that space, and that's what they started. They basically
tried to start a new culture and teach new things.
And kem was quite successful in the way.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
That they did that is that is that both?

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yes, as again from the stories and from what I understand, Yes,
he was.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
He is one of the beings. He's like the most
talked about of.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
The marketing again again, very good the Emerald, the Emerald tablets,
that's that's a that's a good marketing piece with that. Yeah,
I mean you look at I mean you look at
the Aztecs and the Olmecs and the Mayans and those
kind of cultures. There's aspects, especially like the Aztecs even

(29:10):
the Inca, that they're empires. They were full blown empires. Yeah,
they were full blown empires there. So there's there's tempts
of this empire building Rome one of the greatest empires.
I think what was it wasn't the Mongols even bigger?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Even bigger?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
That's true, and I think there's a difference between between
which I know that this is true in some of
those cultures that you mentioned, there's in meso America. But
there's a difference between building an empire and conquering other
people for the sake of power.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's that's all.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's a Roman thing.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
That's say, that's a Mongol that's that's exactly what I mean.
That's a Roman and a Mongol thing. That's like a
later empire, because that is the energy of will and force,
and that is, in a nutshell kind of the downfall
of Atlantis was moving into that energy rather than being
an inner rhythmic balance with the Earth, with humanity, with

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where humanity was at.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
That's what they chose.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And there's there's empires right now, I want to call
them empires, but countries going on right now in the
world to have that energy. And the only reason that
they don't do anything is because there's a bigger a bigger.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Dog on the block.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, that's keeping them at bay. But if that dog
wasn't there, right who knows. I mean, there's many countries
in the world that would absolutely just start taking over countries.
Yeah again, back in the day, that's old energy.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
I was just going to say, I mean, when you're
told the story that that's how you come off as powerful,
That that's how you get what you want. That that's
how you show your people that you're that you mean something,
that you're worthy of something. People perpetuate that story even
though it's completely distorted.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. That's that's such an
old idea and such an old energy where it's it's
obvious that cooperation, connecting resources, working as a as a

(31:10):
as as a world or a global community is so
much more beneficial.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yes, it is, it is, it is, And it's as
outdated as the biological belief that things have evolved because
of competition. It is as outdated, are we, yes?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Particularly right right? Like to make that claim?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Is it really does make me roll my eyes because
if you just go to even the basic function of
a cell, cells started to come together, which this is
you know, who knows what actually was going on and
how cells formed all of that. But if we just
look at the basic function of a cell, cells form
and come together to specialize in something. So one cells

(31:53):
are floating off on their own. There's nothing on this planet, right,
there's water, and the cells are floating, and finally two
cells get together and they say, you know what, Actually,
if we work together and you just do this one
thing and I do this other thing, then maybe we
can see how it goes. That same idea, and that
same story was told again and again until billions of

(32:13):
cells are together, and one group says, I'm just going
to fun focus on moving the body. Another group says,
I'm just going to focus on vision, and another group says,
I'm just going to focus on digesting food. That is collaboration,
that's not competition. So to say that evolution has taken
place because of competition, to me, is also a very
outdated and medieval idea.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
It's collaborative, right, And then what is cancer? It's when
cells just the distortion the distortion of that. Yeah, because
I think as a species we're pre wired to cooperate.
That's the only way we survived. That's the only because
we're not strong in the sense of I mean, we're
a weak mammal.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
It's true, we have nothing going for us physically.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
He's very little, very I.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Don't care that most jacked.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Ye put them again the weakest silver back and that's
the end of the day. The weakest, like the one
that all the other silver backs pick up the runs
of the little will destroy any of them.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And he's a vegetarian.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I'm just throwing that out there, just throwing it out there.
And he's a vegetary.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I'm just trying out.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
But so we're not really kind of built for to
be honest with you, and this this might go down
another road, but we're not really built well for this planet.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I mean, it's a very interesting point.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean, we stand in the sun too long, we burn, burn,
Crisp animals don't do that. There's not one animal goes
oh I need that forty five, I need that fifty.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
That's not a thing.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
The only thing we got going for us is our
brains one and then our cooperation. It means, well, yeah,
there's that, but the combination of our hands with thumb
really is the big big the big boys with thumb.
The thumb brain and the ability to cooperate our hearts
is the only thing that keeps us has gotten us anywhere,

(34:07):
because we'll be destroyed by a pack of wolves. All that,
all these there's there's not We're such a weak species
we are.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
And you know it's interesting because again I really like
to look at as many levels as I can, so
on a biological level, the human body is an animal, right,
This is the animal part of us as a being. This,
this has the instincts of no, that's mine. This has
the instincts of no, I need that, and the taking.

(34:35):
So it is only through our heart, accessing a part
that's higher than our lower self that we're able to say, Okay,
actually there's enough here we can share. I'll actually give
you a little bit. I don't I don't need all
of that.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
So there's a lot of apples on that.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
There's a lot of apples.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I don't need the whole tree to myself, and I
think that that's part of our evolution as a species.
The lower base part of ourselves are what is being
called on and that is being poked at repeatedly. That
is making people act in a way that is animalistic,
that is still based in competition, that is still based
out of fear. People who are I would say, trapped

(35:13):
in the ideas of religion where they're only allowed to
believe in one thing, and they're only allowed to believe
in one person and one story and one narrative. That's
being bound in fear. That's a base instinct that's from
the body. And the same is true with competition. If
that's where you're operating from, you have not risen to
a higher place where you are able to collaborate, use

(35:34):
your hands to give rather than take.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
But if I believe in my God, and you believe
in your God, but my God's the only God.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's ego, yes and fear.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
And if we are the chosen people, that's the way
I sleep at night. That's the way I can't sleep
at night if I'm not the chosen person. That's the
story I was told by that old dude in the corner,
and he told me that since you don't believe in
the same thing, I might have to kill you because
you're a threat to our beliefs. Is right, exactly, such
a barbaric I need.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
And that's where it gets more complex, because we have
the animalistic body, with its animalistic needs and its instincts
saying no, we have to take this, no, we have
to go there. And then we have the mind. When
the mind is rooted in the body, When the mind
is rooted in the instincts, and in those base lower
parts of ourself, we say, I have to take that,
and that story is much larger than just the apple

(36:29):
on the tree. That story becomes no, I have to
take that, and it's someone's land because that person doesn't
believe in the God that I believe in. So it
gets far more complex when the layers of our mind
get thrown on to the animal parts of our body,
which again is why coming to the heart is the
simplest thing to do. Your heart is going to tell
you if it feels good or not. There are no
stories in the heart. There's only truth. That's what lies

(36:52):
in there.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Can you talk a little bit about the programming that
we all go through that those seven years as a
Jesuits said, you know, give me, give me a child
for seven years, and I'll show you the man. When
I heard that for the first time, I was like,
oh my god, he's he was absolutely right. Those first
seven years is who you become. And you know I was.

(37:15):
I'm a recovering Catholic. So I'm still guilty about it.
I feel guilty about it. But so I joke the Catholics,
I joke they've.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Had They've had a rough go of it lately.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
But but when I was raised in Catholic school, you know,
my parents were particularly religious, but it was a Latino background,
you know, South America is mostly Catholic essentially. And I
would I went back and I would read my notebooks
of like what they were teaching in first grade, and

(37:51):
I was like, my pure propaganda, Like it's like there
is no it's one bias. It's like it's all about this.
And it was like, you know, and then the stories,
let's talk about hell, and that's a whole other conversation.
But this program and I saw the programming, but it
didn't make sense to me. As I continued to get older,

(38:12):
it just that narrative didn't make sense. The belief in
Jesus and his teachings. I started to go down that
road without the dogma and then the idea of a
higher power. So I'm very grateful for that introduction that
there was like, hey, there's something bigger than yourself. Hey
there's a god. He's an angry god. He's very jealous,

(38:34):
too spiteful jealous. I'm like, which also as I got older,
I'm like, man, this guy's insecure.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
But I mean, I mean, you know, there you go.
It didn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And I go and there's there's like two billion other
people on the planet at the time, two or three
billion other people at the time when I was a kid,
and I was like, and they don't believe this?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Are they all going to hell?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
This doesn't make like a lot of sense here if
God loves all of us and like it like this
is you know, it didn't make any sense. So I
had to break out of my own programming. And they're
still programming.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'm dealing with, of course.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Which is called baggage, which is called trauma, which is whatever.
But that programming is so powerful and people don't really
understand that because like, if you were born into a
Muslim family, you'd be Muslim. If you were born and
into an Aborigine family, you'd be like, there's the stars
and there's dream time, and that's that's the programming you
would have gotten. Can you talk a little bit about
from your perspective, the higher self and the lower perspective

(39:32):
of programming and how full it literally is on every
human being?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, in the world.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
That's a beautiful question, you know, I would say, also
just to comment on your own experience the ability to say, huh,
that doesn't really sit right with me, that doesn't really
make sense. That is, from my understanding, that's accessing the
higher mind. That's choosing to see things from a higher perspective.
When you are pulling on the strings of the lower
base self, that he keeps the mind shut. If we

(40:02):
were to imagine the mind having a roof that like
a kite, all of the strings are pulled down and
kept tight and there's no way to get out of it.
There's nothing above it. When you are calling on the
lower base self, when you're using fear to control and
manipulate a person, when you tell them that if you
do this thing, it's going to impact all of these
other people. That's using actually the gift of the heart

(40:23):
to make a point to say to be afraid to say, oh, well,
if you make this choice, then you're actually gonna condemn
these million or ten thousand other people. That was a
story that my mother was told with her programming. And
when that happens.

Speaker 1 (40:40):

Speaker 3 (40:49):
A human is six is five.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
They don't have any idea what else is out there?
They are looking to the person that is with them,
or the the people the adults that are with them
and saying, you are how I'm going to function in
the world.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
You are what's giving me love. All I know is love.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
And if you're telling me that that's what love is,
or that this is what I must do in order
to align to love, then I'm going to believe you.
That's again, that's really true manipulation of the heart, and
it's keeping the mind closed. And what a perfect and
genius way to keep people stuck doing the same thing
and stay on the wheel and never question it. It's

(41:30):
the ultimate plan for control because if you say, yeah,
the creator that you believe in actually is out to
get you unless you do these things. What a better
way to keep someone in line that I mean, that
is the ultimate form of control, and to completely give

(41:51):
away their sovereignty, to completely give away their power by saying, yeah,
so it's okay for us over here. But those people
that believe this thing, that do that thing, that eat
this food, that whatever it is, they're the ones who
are going to go to hell. So you don't ever
want to be like them. You don't ever want to
be friends with them, and when you see them, you
need to let them know.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
That that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Convert them, you do, That's God's way. That is the
ultimate control, because then they are saying, you're living beyond yourself,
you are being a creator, you are acting on the
part of God. If you do these things, that is
the ultimate form of control.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I mean. And it's quite sad.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Because it's all of the gifts of being a human,
but they're being taken advantage of. They're calling on the
love of a child when they're six, They're calling on
the trust that that child has. They're calling on the
power that is the creator inside, and then saying, this.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Is the way that you're allowed to use that.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
This is what that has to look like, and this
is what that absolutely cannot look like. It's taking away
all of the power.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
And you said Hell, which is one of my favorite subjects.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I love Hell.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I think it's I love Hell. You can quote me.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I love Hell.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
This is fantastic because I was I was told about
hell when I was in first grade. I can't imagine
I'm a six year old going hell. I came home crying.
I came home. Can you imagine like if you don't
do this, if you eat meat on Friday, you know,
that's when I didn't understand. Like, so if I kill
somebody and I eat meat, equal, even as a kid,

(43:27):
I'm going.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Something.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's like cessamester something here, something, you know, it's a
kind of thing. Because it just didn't make any sense
to me. So the whole concept of hell, which people
are still.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I mean very very very very very.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Much into it. And again let's going back to a
PR firm and a marketing firm.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Uh, the great, the greatest PR agent for.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Hell is Dante. Yes, that is hell that we know
is Dante's. It's not the Bible's help, which, by the way,
I don't know if if you knew or not, I'm
sure you do that. The Old Testament no help, the Torah,
no help, no help. From my understanding, when a soul
dies done, there was you.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Either go to heaven or YadA YadA YadA kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And Hell was brought into the New Testament from from again,
and please quote me if I'm wrong that Jesus was
taken from a story of Jesus. Jesus apparently created Hell
or brought the.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Smith in which sounds like the act of being.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Obviously, because if you know, Jesus I almost got the
hell out of everybody. He was talking at some sort
of lecture and he a sermon and he's like, if
you guys don't get your act together, there's this lake
down the down the street where they throw all their
garbage in and burn, and you're gonna go into this place.
I forgot the name of that lake. But this is

(44:54):
this is historical. And they took that story in the
Council of Nicia when they were put in the Bible
together other editing things out, uh.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
And said hell.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Great, then a couple hundred I don't know when Dante
showed up. And when Dante showed up, oh yeah, that
was because Dante wonderful.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Writer, Yes, very But the whole.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Concept of the of the hell's and all and other
levels of hell and the poking and the torch, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Find that so interesting because he was not actually writing
about hell. He was writing about his experience on earth.
That is quite a metaphor because really what he was
saying is that his life had become a living hell,
and all of the people that are in that story
are characters from his life that were basically giving him

(45:40):
a hard time.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
So that is very interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
And they brought that story. They're like, oh, we like that,
let's take that. Wow, and they put it in the
myth and now that's the concept of hell. I mean,
then of course there's Lucifer and the Devil and all
of that fallen angels and all that kind of stuff,
and then the Book of Enoch and we can get
into all that. But it's a fascinta because I love
going into the historical facts of especially my religion that

(46:06):
I came from. To kind of this. This kind of
debunk a lot of the programming that people are stuck to.
And if they don't want to believe what I'm saying,
you go look it up yourself. When I heard about
the Council of Nicia, my mind blew up.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I was like what.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
There was a group of them that just got together
and wrote the Bible and like edited out things like okay,
which stories are we keeping guys? Yeah, it was and
it was created by Constantine, the Roman emperor, because the
Christians were getting out of hand and we need to
take control of the situation. And before they would throw
Christians to the lions and then afterwards, like, all right,
where everyone we're Christian. Now if you're not Christian, wound

(46:42):
thrown the lions because they need to control, and they
built this whole Bible up around that, and they edited
things out and like, oh, reincarnation, we can't have that.
That's not gonna.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Work for what we're trying to do.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Uh huh.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
We need them to believe that this is their one
and only life, right, and we need that life to
look this certain way and for them to behave this
certain way. And it's very interesting actually that that they
chose to do what you mentioned about Christians, because really
it's like nineteen eighty four. No, no, we were never
at war with euro Asia. That was actually always our ally,
that's what we always did. It's the same things exactly.

(47:15):
There's just writing a story to suit you.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
That's all it is.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's it's it's pretty fascinating, it is.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And I did not realize when I got I got
a chance last year to go to the Vatican. Oh yeah,
and I'm still taking a shower from that experience. You'll
be scrubbing, scrubbing at off for a while. No, No,
I mean it's a stunning place.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
It is I've been there, and.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
In the Vatican Museum is the embarrassment of riches, and
that's so many stolen, so much stolen art, it's not
even funny.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
But when you walk into the.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Saint Peter's Basilica and you walk around and it's just
stunning thing it is, and I mean it's it's it's
I mean, you can't deny it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
It's a work of art.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
It's the whole damn thing. It's insane.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, But I was just sitting there, going, this has
nothing to do with Jesus, like I just got just
this is nothing nothing, not the pointy hats, not the
gold on the walls, not the rules, and the dog
has nothing to do with Jesus. And I just said,

(48:16):
I just and I I just saw it through such
different eyes. Yeah, you know you, I mean there's a
reverence and I can under I said, I said to
my wife, I'm like, imagine you're a peasant working the
fields exactly in Italy or somewhere, and you walk into
Saint Peter's Basilica and you're an un educated person, right,

(48:37):
never see anything like it. You're like, this obviously was
built by God. Yes, there's no way, this was not
whatever that man on the on the up there is
telling me, I'm gonna have to believe.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
He is the chosen one.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
He's obviously the chosen one. Very similar to.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
When when the priests were at the top of Chichenza
and they understood science enough to know when.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Tomorrow the sun will come through here and the lights.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Will come and they had look what and all of
a sudden, oh my god, the sub game because they
understood basic yeah, basic science.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
And it happened throughout history.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
And that's actually the same story that we're in right now.
It's the same exact story. It's just on a different level.
People's minds. People's minds are being controlled. There is programming
that happens in churches like you mentioned, but also in
school you're told this is what you need to believe,
and I need you to memorize this, and this subject
never comes into this subject, and this subject never touches

(49:32):
that subject.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
It's all separate.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Everything is a disparate point that you have to try
to make connections to minds are controlled, The people who
have more information are revered. The people who look like
they are closer to God or closer to whatever someone
wants to believe is god. If science is your god,
if money is your god, if Hollywood is your god,

(49:55):
if glamour is your god. Whoever is closest to that
is made to look like the expert and the representation,
which means everything they do, that's what you should be doing.
The control is embedded because we say, oh, but that's
what I want to be, like, so this is who
I should be, or I don't want to go to hell,
and so this is how I have to behave. So
the control happens now outside of religion, because it needed

(50:18):
to start happening outside of religion once people were like,
actually I don't want to believe that anymore. It had
to go somewhere. So it came into our schools. That
is the vast majority of what people experience now.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
And now.

Speaker 1 (50:29):

Speaker 3 (50:39):
COVID happened.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
And so now there are different ass There are so
much information because technology, we have access to so much
information and so much misinformation also just I need to.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Say that too, of course.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yeah, so with all of that access, control has to
come from somewhere. The next most obvious place is the media,
and media not only in terms of news, in terms
of social media, that whole world of distraction of this
is what you want, and this is what you want
to look like.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
This, yes, all of that.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
It's all forms of control. They're just different levels of control.
And as humanity becomes more complex, because despite whoever or
whatever may not want to see us evolve, we are evolving.
Humanity is evolving, and that means that the control needs
to become more complex. The distractions need to become even
more dramatic. The things that pull your attention away, they

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have to look a certain way now, otherwise people are
going to be like, nah, it's probably AI, which is
good that people are saying that it's but it's far
more complex than it has ever been. Still the same story,
and I want people to get out of that story,
to get off of that same wheel. Don't go around
it anymore. Don't live in the medieval times.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I mean the story of you know, you have to
go to a four year school to get a good job.
You know that work even yep, yeah, absolutely worked in
the if he's in the sixties, you could not get
a paying job, yep. But today I mean, Google's bringing
kids out of high school. They don't want you to
go to They want to train you themselves.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
They want to indoctrinate you younger.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Obviously obviously that's another way, of course, obviously, and control you,
of course, yes, but generally speaking, and look again, I
always say this, and like, if you're a doctor, don't
take an online course you know, you know, an engineer,
don't take an you DEMI course to build a bridge.
I really rather you not, so, thank you. So there

(52:34):
are certain things that certain careers that do need that,
but the vast majority of careers, like I went to
film school, that's an app that's criminal.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
It's criminal.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Interesting, it's a criminal act. And I'm saying this now,
it's a criminal act to charge a student to go
to film school one hundred and twenty thousand dollars because
you will never make that money back. You'll take you
or ever. It was difficult twenty years ago when I started,

(53:05):
was thirty years ago it would it was hard now
today impossible. Well, and when the whole, the whole, the
whole thing is coming down, you could see what's happening.
Those those AI is taking a lot and productions pulling
back and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
So it's criminals.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
So you know, an art degree, I mean, a philosophy degree.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
A teaching degree, it's what I have. I have a
master's in Montesssori education and that that money. Yeah right,
How long of my life would it take for me
to actually pay back that master's degree? And on top
of that a training in montossory education. It's not just
you and you had loans of course too, I still do.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, right, knows how long all of them?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Exactly? I was lucky enough.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
My education costs eighteen grand oh wow, and back then,
so I've been able to, thank God, pay that off
a while ago.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
But that same degree, it's like one hundred thousand though.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah, criminals another form of control.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Well, oh no, that's not even get down with student loans.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Please, don't you get me started.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I mean, oh yeah, you can't get rid of it
ever in life. I mean, what is that? I yeah,
it's a whole other conversations. So we've gone down many
roads in this conversation so far, many many roads. Let's
get back to your channeling. What is your process? How
do you actually because you trans channel, so you actually

(54:23):
go into a trance state and bring in either beings
or kashak.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
How does it work for you?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, that that's the one distinction.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
When I am when so I can kind of choose
more or less depending on who's coming through, some sometimes
being saying no, no, I'm I'm going, I'm going to
be the one speaking, and so I don't. I can
still choose to say no. But that's that's kind of
how that works. When I'm doing an a kashak reading,
I am still there. It is not a trans channel.
There are times when some people's higher self they will

(54:54):
want to speak through me in a specific way, and
that's actually kind of new, so I'm still learning what
that is. Really a it comes off as more like
an oracular transmission when that is taking place. But when
I'm accessing the Acosta records, I'm still here more or less.
My consciousness is really far away, but it's still me.
And then when I'm channeling my other beings that want
to come through, then yeah, I'm not here, it's them, gotcha?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And how is it?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
How does it feel for you?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Are you there?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Because I know some channels are like I don't remember anything,
other ones I remember everything.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yes, are you like next door? Are you like somewhere else?
Are you in the back seat? Like, how's that work
for you?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So I love that.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
That's a great question.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I am next door more or less, but also kind
of in the background. They It also kind of depends
on who's speaking to me. That there are so many
my whole life. I have called myself a radio because
they if I just adjust to a certain place, then
I will hear different beings. So my pleating priestess sisters

(55:51):
and my higher self they both talk to me generally
in this location. The three Guides who are contemporaries of
both and writers of the Kabalian and just hermetic scholars.
Essentially they talk to me over here, and then other
beings depending on who I'm speaking to talk to me
over here. The Arcturian Council talks to me over here.
So it really just depends. And each of their energies
is also different the way that that they come in

(56:14):
to me. When I'm trans channeling them, it feels different,
So I will kind of move to a different space.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And I can't quite explain that.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
It is exactly that is, That's the best way to
say it. It's a different room in the house that
I moved to and when I if my ego comes
up and starts to talk to them while they're trying
to speak through me, it can make me stutter. Sometimes
it is helpful because there it will be a word

(56:45):
that they, I don't know, didn't think of, or that
that they realize is maybe more irrelevant or appropriate. I'm
not entirely sure how how my ego actually assists them,
and maybe it doesn't actually assist.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Maybe that's just a story that I want to believe.
But it'll try to.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
It'll try to insert something and either they'll use it
or they won't. Sometimes it makes me stop, like I
I can't keep channeling if my ego comes up because
it's interfering in some capacity, and so they're they're trying
to get me to not be interfering.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It's different every time.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, do you have any surprise guests?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I did?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
I have?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
And that's that was actually one of the beings I
was mentioning. Lilith came through one time, who I don't
know the story of her. People have said, isn't she
a demon? And I said, I don't know, because I
don't know who she is. She came through, That's true.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
This is all the Devil's works. That's why I love hell.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
So she came through and she told me, she said, so,
I'm going to speak through you. And this was the
first time that a being had entered me more and
and wanted to speak through me in a more direct way.
When she came through, she said, yeah, so I I
can talk for myself and I don't actually need you
to talk for me. That was basically what she said.
And I was like, you know, I if I were

(58:03):
in your shoes, that's how I would feel, So okay,
I totally respect that.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I will just let you speak.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Through It was I had another channel on the other
in the studio, and she had a few people show up.
I've had this happened with a few channels that they
just people just showed up and she's like, uh, Buddha's
here and he wants to come in. I'm like all right,
And the energy changed in the room. It was a
really beautiful thing. Is another one Baba g showed up

(58:29):
and she had never channeled Baba Ge and everything, and
and that was a fun, fun ex So I was
just curious, if you have surprise guests, I'm not I'm
not taking I'm not giving requests.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Can we please? Are you taking requests? I would like Buddha, Yogananda,
Baba g.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
So if we have them all at the same time,
it's like the Beatles, It's like, really the Beatles of
the four Could you bring them in that before and
Robin because we need comic relief here if you could. Uh,
I'm just here. So as we as we go forward

(59:08):
with this, I have a ton of questions. Great for
whoever comes in a lot of times from from what
I understand, channels that come on the show, there's a
line sometimes on the other side just like, oh, we'd
like to we got something to say that.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Yeah, that's fairy. They do when they and when that happens,
typically those beings come like right in front of me
and they just they fully present themselves. Generally they let
me see what they look like and they say who
they are. And I asked them, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
What?

Speaker 4 (59:38):
What?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Why are you here? If that happens, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
And do you do you So if we're going to
have a multiple beings coming through like different like you know,
let's let's say one group comes in and another group
comes in, and maybe someone else comes in.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Will you.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Will you kind of like will they say okay, thank
you and this person wants to come in?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Or should I go? Thank you so much? Who else
is there?

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
How do you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
How should I?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
That's a good question, you know, I will say that, yeah,
I I as a consciousness have tried to get in
the habit of like saying who is speaking? Because that
hasn't happened. They don't really, So if you would like
to know, then it's probably good to ask because it's probably.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Going to say, well, they leave on their own, or
somebody else will want to come in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
You know, So it depends on the questions. Actually, the
questions kind of determine who is going to answer. They
tell like they'll all open up to everyone and they'll
say who who is going to answer that question? Or
I guess I'll feel who's going to answer that question?
And then if you want to ask, I can try
to remember to tell you, but I might I might not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
So if you want to ask, all right, sounds good,
And how do you go in? What's your process?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
I kind of just set the space and relax my
body and zoom out my consciousness and then I'll tell
you when I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Ready Okay, great, We'll be right back after a word
from our sponsor, and now back to the show. Who's
speaking right now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
It is still me. It depends on the question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Got it? How do you see humanity's current consciousness path.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
The three guides will come through.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
We see it as a constant unfoldment, an evolution of
where humanity has been and where humanity can go. There
are infinite spirals that can be taken, like a staircase
that goes up infinitely, or goes sideways or goes downways.
It depends on your perspective. Humanity can have and take
any stare that it wants, any path that it wishes

(01:01:42):
it can take. We are here to guide humanity toward
the spiral that is reaching to what you would consider
to be the highest evolution, the highest unfoldment, the path
that brings humanity closer to their true nature, to God,
to the creature.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
To the all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
What signs do you see that we are actually moving
towards a higher consciousness?

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
The choice for humanity to consider themselves to be in
their heart. More often than not, there is an extreme
distortion when it comes to feelings and emotions, But this
in fact is a path of evolution. It is a
step toward what humanity needs to understand, which is that
the heart is the most powerful piece of the body.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
The heart is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
What can guide humanity and guide each individual to their
highest timeline and to the highest timeline for the collective.
The heart holds secrets and the heart holds power. And
understanding the feelings, understanding the emotions is how to understand
the emotional power of the heart, the energetic power of

(01:02:44):
the heart, and the language of the heart which all
of humanity must learn to speak if there is to
be ultimate unity and collaboration on the planet. This is
what we see is the step that humanity has taken
the perspective to orient towards feelings, towards the heart more
than the mind, more than the choices that dictate or

(01:03:05):
govern the animal body or instincts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
How can we contribute to humanity's consciousness evolution.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
By learning to speak the language of your own heart,
by learning to understand what lies in your heart and
what is controlling you making you in certain ways act
or behave or make certain choices, understanding how this operates
in your own being at your own level, and then
making a different choice, making a choice that is part

(01:03:34):
of the contribution to the whole, that is beyond yourself.
Is how you can contribute to humanity, not making a
choice that only thinks of oneself, that only says that
I am at the center, but rather that I AM
is the center. This is how each individual can move forward,
can contribute, and each being finds their own way towards

(01:03:57):
this I Am presence. Each being finds the path and
energy that is most aligned to them. Some find it
in nature. In the woods, they feel the presence of
I Am. They are beyond their human story when they
are with the trees or when they are swimming in
the ocean. Others find it in acts of service, by volunteering,

(01:04:20):
by working with groups or individuals, they become larger than themselves.
Their story does not become the most important thing. But
there are other aspects of human life that force humans
to look only at their own story, to be very
self centered or self focused on the story of the
ego rather than on the power or feelings of the heart.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
What challenges do you foresee on this path of human
consciousness evolution?

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
The unwillingness to move beyond the self centered story, the
choice to only act on that which is animalistic or
deeply buried in the wounds of humanity. Each being, each
human carries the wounds of the collective. Each being carries
the potential to cause harm, to be enraged, to care

(01:05:09):
without thinking, to think of others in a way that
is violent, or to act aggressively toward This is in
the potential for each human and this is where humanity
is evolving out of. But those who choose to grasp
onto these aspects of humanity, those who are consumed by
these parts of their ego, they are unwilling or unable

(01:05:32):
to see beyond that. And it is a matter of fear.
If humanity chooses fear because they are afraid, then they
will not be able to move beyond this. And it
is a very tricky and complex situation. It is fear
coming up against fear. Humanity tries to use fear against fear,

(01:05:54):
they try to fight against fighting to have war against
war is contradictory, It is unhelpful. It ultimately creates more
of the same, which you understand at this point in
your evolution as a being. You can see this, you
can feel this, and many of those who are viewers

(01:06:14):
or who are also in the space understand and see this,
But it is a matter of the collective choosing and
aligning to agree that fear will not be fought with fear,
that war will not be fought with war that will
ultimately make the change.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
What is your vision for humanity's future at a higher consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
That humanity will come together and recognize their brotherhood, their sisterhood,
their kinship, their one family line as part of the
larger tree that is humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
That is the collective.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
This must happen, but each being must see themselves as
part of the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
This is why our.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Teachings stress seeing yourself beyond who you are, beyond the
story that you have been told, not only in your
own head, but in your family and in your society,
in your culture, and indeed on the earth as a whole.
You must see yourself beyond all of these stories as
part of something greater. This is why galactic contact has

(01:07:16):
been spoken of and will take place when humanity is
at a time to receive this. It is to help
humanity have a perspective that goes beyond the stories that
have been told, so that they are able to see
themselves as something bigger, something more than only the stories
something far beyond what their mind can construct, and this

(01:07:36):
is why it has been challenging for humanity to understand
and see themselves as a creator. They must have some
conceptualization of a creator. There are those who are still
out of touch with this energy and who do not
recognize it quite yet. They are coming around, but it
is slow. Others who do understand this energy and understand

(01:07:59):
that there is something beyond themselves. They try to understand
it from their perspective. They humanize the creator and they
cannot see how it is bigger than themselves. But contact
with beings that are far beyond any stories they have
been told will help humanity to see themselves beyond what
they have been told.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Why is there increase global turmoil in division at this
moment in time?

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
There are forces that would rather see humanity get to
the place where they are unable to move, to be
in a place where they are continuing on the same
path that they have seen. Because again, it is fear
against fear. The forces hold fear, they carry fear. They
operate from this place of fear, and what is spoken
of little is that they too are evolving. They are

(01:08:49):
as many have compared them like a virus on the planet.
Viruses help organisms to evolve, and viruses also evolve. The
plan is that these beings, this virus that is collectively
over the planet, will choose to evolve into something beyond

(01:09:10):
a virus, beyond what it has been. When humanity is
able to see themselves beyond what they have been, then
this virus also has the opportunity to do so at
the time. At this time, the virus is mutating. It
is changing to be even more destructive, even more chaotic,
because that is the nature of viruses, and it is

(01:09:32):
a reflection of what occurs in the universe as what
happens in the body. This is what is taking place
on this planet and it will continue until the greater
force that houses the virus. Humanity as a collective chooses
something different, chooses to say, I am greater than this virus.

(01:09:52):
I am greater than the story this virus has made
me believe. When this takes place, there is a unification
that occurs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
That is when.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Humanity will move beyond where they have been, where division
can no longer create division, where separation can no longer
create separation, because it is no longer a sickness in humanity.
It is something that is looked at and let go
of easily.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Who or what are those forces that you're speaking of,
will be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Energies that have taken root on this planet. When humanity
was at a weak point in its time, as spoken
of the cycle of darkness that humanity entered into, there
was a point of weakness.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
And just as when the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Body gets weak, viruses enter, so too did this energy
enter into the plane the sphere of humanity and infect
it with its same mindset. Because this energy, which are
in capsule related in various beings, is also trying to
understand itself. It is trying to feed the infinite whole

(01:11:07):
that is its heart. It is trying to understand how
it can come to a place where it feels full
without taking. That is why this same mindset, this same virus,
has infected humanity in the same way, taking and never
feeling full.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
How can we maintain spiritual balance during these difficult times?

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
The heart?

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
We will speak of the heart again. The heart is
what will guide you. And there are many who ask,
what about when my heart feels pain? What is this guidance.
This guidance is to sit with this, to sit with
this pain, To sit with whatever arises or is present
in your heart so that it can evolve. Every aspect

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of life, every moment, is an experience of evolution, every
feeling or emotion that arises in the heart when it
is not taken from the mind or taken from a
situation that has been put onto another, such as in
a traumatic experience. When an emotion arises simply and naturally
on its own, it is the next step for that

(01:12:14):
being to feel in order for it to evolve. When
an emotion arises and it is felt fully, it is
followed through to its end. The emotion reaches the very top.
It is as all things in the universe, a fractal.
The emotion reaches its very peak, and then it transforms.

(01:12:35):
It becomes something new. Like looking at a different part
of a fractal or zooming in on a different aspect
of a fractal, it emerges as something different. This is
how humanity can continue to stay aligned to the principles
that uplift and that serve by choosing to stay in
the heart, to allow the things that are in the heart,

(01:12:58):
the experiences to evolve, and therefore to evolve them, they
will move beyond. The stories of the mind can only
be tamed and changed when the heart is in alignment
with love. If a being does not hold love in
their heart for themselves, for others, for the earth, then

(01:13:19):
the stories in the mind reflect this, and the stories
in the mind are what keep the majority of humanity
trapped in the same exact wheel and in the same
stories going around again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
What lessons can we learn from the current global unrest?

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
To see the aspects of yourself that are not yet healed?
Where do you show up in the macrocosmic perspective of humanity?
Where are the wounds in you that you can see
around the earth? And this is only from a perspective
of division. We are more oriented towards you or other
beings looking at the parts of humanity, looking at the

(01:14:02):
experiences on the earth that show wholeness. Where is your
unity reflected? Where is the love that you carry expressing
itself in humanity? This is far more worthy of your
attention and therefore your energy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
If you are to look.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
At something and to find something that will evolve you,
or to find a part of humanity that will inspire you.
Then these are the areas to look at, not that
which you wish to see leave you. If you focus
on the same part of you that you dislike every day,
every day you awaken and you look in the mirror,
and you think about, and you stare at, and you

(01:14:41):
talk about the part of you that you do not like,
then this part is all that has your attention. You
are not turning to the part of you that you
wish to see grow, the part of you that can
counteract this part, that is the counterpart to this aspect
of your being. So it is with the whole collecttion
of humanity. If you continue to turn your attention to

(01:15:03):
that which you do not wish to see, then you
only allow it to grow. Look at the parts that
you wish to see more of in the world. Find
the inspiration, find the heart of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Turn your attention there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
With all the elections that are happening around the world
this year, where do you see humanity's consciousness going and
challenges that it's going to face for the rest of
this year and for the following year.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
Humanity, as it has done for the past several years,
is still in its age of understanding darkness. There are
those who must go through darkness, must go through the
traumas of life in order to move beyond them, much
as it is for this being here. She has experienced
much trauma, has lived through much darkness, and she now

(01:15:53):
understands it and does not wish to live there any longer.
This is a story of humanity. This is a reflect
of what the collective is going through, and it will continue,
and there will be opportunities for unity. There will be
opportunities for heart opening. As there is in every individual's life,

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so too is there in the collective's life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
How can individuals promote healing immunity in this difficult time to.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Look within and find the spaces that they are able
to contribute to from a place of wholeness.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
This can only occur if the being is in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
A space where they have the energy to give to others.
And let us be clear, it is often that when
giving to another you yourself are filled, but it is
not to the extreme detriment in terms of feeling depleted.
You feel empty. Then you are no longer serving yourself
or others. You are serving the black hole that you

(01:16:52):
wish to see gone. In the hearts of humanity. So
it must be known that you are to be taken
care of first, and what we wish to offer at
this time is humanity must turn towards that which strengthens them.
The beings who are most willing to give, the beings
who are the most.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Capable of offering.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
True healing in any sense of that word, must be strong.
This is a time that calls on the deepest levels
of strength, and one must strengthen themselves if one is
to face what is coming and what is currently arising
in humanity and in the collective worldwide and even locally.
For most beings, strengthen your heart, Strengthen your being so

(01:17:39):
that you are not thin glass, but rather a reinforced,
fortified crystal. This is how you can serve.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
With that said, in regards to our current difficulties, what
connections have you found between Atlantis Lmeria and today's societies
At today's human consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
The choices that are made of where one orients their attention.
Atlantis was very focused on the act of forcing or
of using willpower in a way that is not in
harmonious balance. This is where humanity is at using or
forcing will power in a way that is not harmonious

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based on a desire to take, which stems from the
virus of fear. This is quite the opposite in the
culture of Limuria. It is a culture of giving, but
of reciprocity. They understood that being in harmonious balance or
rhythm with the natural world around them and with the

(01:18:43):
Earth herself, meant that they were able to give more.
They did not need as much. It did not look
like they needed to take as much because they were
in such reciprocity in a far more energetic sense than
is understood on the planet at this time. Urgence of
those practices, the reemergence of those teachings of energetic reciprocity,

(01:19:05):
is most helpful for humanity at this time. Slowly they
are emerging again, although some have different names at this
time for them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
How can we access ancient wisdom to understand our past
better and use that knowledge for evolution today?

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
This is the opportunity to learn from your past as
a collective, To learn from your elders, as it were,
even the elders who no longer exist, to see what
has worked, to see what has not worked, and to
recognize that there are different needs at this time Humanity
is not what it once was, nor should it be.

(01:19:44):
It will not go back to being a space of
Limuria or Atlantis, and it should not. It is meant
to evolve, and the goal, the idea, the hope, is
that humanity will be evolve beyond what they have been,
that they will become something new that is far greater
than Atlantis or Lemyria.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
But learning what.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Has worked, what has not worked, the practices that have
helped align humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
This is the option.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
This is the wisdom that can be gained. But looking
at the human story which many are fixated on at
this time, such as the quote drama that surrounds Atlantis,
that is not very helpful. That is a human story,
that is the human egos still at play. Look instead
to the teachings, to the practices, to the wisdom that

(01:20:36):
was kept that is still available to move.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Into a new place.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
This is what can guide humanity to addressing what is
present in this reality in this time on Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
There are certain things that will not work. For example,
there are aspects that simply will be too difficult or inefficient.
For where humanity is currently at but taking pieces and seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Where they can go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
This is the idea of ancient wisdom coming back online.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
What are some of those teachings from Atlantis that we
should be using more in today's world.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
We will speak of one which regards the natural resources.
There is an understanding that all around you is conscious.
Everything around you contains consciousness, and we speak of consciousness
from the Creator, not consciousness from an awareness aspect, although
it is also aware, simply misunderstood by most of humanity.

(01:21:49):
Using your consciousness to join with the consciousness of another
thing around you means that you are in harmony. You
are in complete unity with the Creator as it is
before you in this very moment. It is much easier
for humans at this time to connect their consciousness with

(01:22:09):
that which they see themselves in. More so, a human
is the easiest to connect consciousness for most people. Others
find it easier to connect their consciousness with animals. Others
find it easier to find to connect their consciousness with plants,
and others connect their consciousness to minerals or the crystal Kingdom.

(01:22:30):
These are all options and all examples, and one primary
teaching that both ensured was present in the culture of
Kem that he was to rebuild as this was one
of the lost practices of Atlantis, or should we say
it was one of the butchered practices of Atlantis, for
instead of combining with that consciousness and using it in

(01:22:53):
a harmonious way, it was used for practices or purposes
that were not collaborative, that were not uplifting, that did
not contribute to the overall evolution of humanity. But instead,
we're more self serving, even if the self was Atlantis.
So this is one teaching that involves only the natural

(01:23:13):
resources around you. Another teaching, and one that must be
spoken of, is the teaching of the human being and
the multi dimensional aspect of self. There are many layers
to humanity. There are many layers to one individual, and
this is not spoken of. One being sees themselves only

(01:23:34):
as their one self, and when they attempt to connect
with what they consider to be outside of themself, they
fail again and again. Why because they see this as
outside of themself. We are not outside of you. We
are not outside or beyond or in a higher place.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
We are you. We are aspects of you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
And if this is understood, then all consciousness is able
to be accessed. The consciousness of the creator is able
to be accessed. Humanity will see themselves as who they
really are. They will see themselves as a creator, as
the Creator in the best way they can from their

(01:24:21):
limited human perspective, just as we see ourselves as creators
in the best way we can from our limited perspective.
These two teachings bring in harmony with the earth, harmony
with natural resources or spaces around you, which is little
understood on the Earth at this time and must be

(01:24:43):
brought into balance. And the second is an aspect of mind.
This is the other piece that is, from our perspective,
out of control or chaotic in the human collective at
this time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
What was the cause of the downfall of Atlantis and
what can we learn from it?

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
A series of causes, a collection of incidents that brought
down this empire, this culture. They were choices, of course,
and some of them were made by the evolution of
this virus that we have mentioned. Slowly it began to
creep in, and when it was paid attention to and
given more energy, it grew. As all things grow with

(01:25:22):
more attention and energy on this planet and in this realm,
So it infected some of the minds, and then it
sought to see could it infect the minds of others?
Could it naturally spread by telling certain stories. Once the
route in one being or a few beings had taken

(01:25:44):
place and was grounded enough, so it sought to spread
itself around. This made many choices in the Atlantean culture
happen that were not for the benefit of humanity, and
the culture shift lifted. From this point. The culture, the
ideas or ideology or philosophy that the Atlanteans held, began

(01:26:09):
to shift from that of heightened or higher evolution, the
bringing up of all beings in accordance with the physical plane,
and instead began to shift to that of a mental plane.
But the mental plane or mental body had already been
infected with the nature or notion of fear and the

(01:26:32):
nature or notion of taking and keeping for oneself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
This was very tempting.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
It was alluring to those who had not previously considered
holding on to something. When the question of giving or
taking is not asked, it is very natural to do
one or the other. Previously, it was very natural simply
to give, simply to share. In today's world, it is

(01:26:59):
quite the opposite. It is natural and expected to take
finders keepers. They do not leave anything for others, They
take and keep for themselves. This is the story that
has spread through humanity, and this has roots in Atlantis,
first with the virus, second with this story that began.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
And it must also be noticed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
That there were changes on the planet itself. There were
changes within the planet that brought about this shift, or
should we say, made this shift more dramatic or noticeable.
It was an opportunity to open This is the weak
space that we spoke of previously. The Earth was undergoing

(01:27:44):
already shifts in its environment, and this allowed for more
energy to enter, for more space.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
To open up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
And the question was what would fill this space, what
energy would be welcomed in, And it was the energy
of fear that took root.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Primarily.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
One of the most important lessons that thoth Ever gave
that we need to listen to today.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
The reminder of sovereignty that each being gets to choose
each and every day, each and every moment, what they
are going to do with their energy. The sovereignty of
energy of choice. This is not understood. In fact, we
would say it is abandoned. It is completely misused in

(01:28:31):
this world today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
People do not see.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Themselves as individuals with energy or with choices. They see
themselves simply as working through the day to day like
a cog in a machine. And for as long as
you serve as a cog in a machine, so the
machine will keep running. But when you choose to make
a choice, when you choose sovereignty, when you see yourself

(01:28:56):
as something more than what you have been told, you
get to choose a different story. You create something more,
something new. This level of sovereignty, paired with the understanding
of energy, was the primary teaching of Thoth and is
perhaps the most useful at this time. It is the

(01:29:18):
lesson that humanity must remember in order for all aspects
to come back into balance. There must be sovereignty of
choice first in an individual, before there can be sovereignty
in the collective.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
How do you interpret the shift from old to new
systems that we are going through right now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
The shift is gradual.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
The shift is a process, and there are parts of
the process that begin to stick that are new, and
then they get taken over by old ways of thinking,
they get taken back. It is from our perspective, a
rather slow process, the way things shift with humanity but
it is also speeding up from the perspective of where

(01:29:59):
humanity is currently at and where humanity has been. There
are more things sticking now than previously. It is a
bit like a piece of paper has oil on it,
and when oil is running, nothing else can stick to
the paper. But when the oil starts to dry, when
the oil makes its way off, new things can stick.

(01:30:21):
It is a bit like this in the process of humanity,
with oil running all over it, over the surface of
the path that humanity is taking as a form of evolution,
humanity will continue and those who choose to see that
humanity is indeed on a path. This is when the
shift can happen. When choosing to see if humanity is

(01:30:44):
on a path or not, then a human does not
have a choice any longer. A human cannot see that
their choices make a difference. A human cannot see that
they are contributing to evolution if they do not see
that humanity he is on a path at all. So
first the choice must be to see that humanity is

(01:31:06):
on a path, and more things will stick. If this
is the case in individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
and now back to the show. How can we support
new systems aligning with higher consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
To bring higher consciousness into these systems. First, if the
system is made from a story that is based on fear,
then it is not a new system. It is perpetuating
the same story that has been told again and again.
And it means not that you are not addressing the
same problems or issues that are arising. It means you

(01:31:49):
are using a new mind, a higher perspective to address
these problems, as mentioned, bringing in ancient wisdom to bring
in light to ancient problems.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Can you share the timeline for humanity's consciousness shift?

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
This is somewhat unknown. We see that it is near
twenty thirty. Major shifts will occur within the consciousness of humanity,
but it is ultimately a collective choice. There are many
changes that will take place even up into twenty fifty
and twenty seventy five. There are many shifts that will

(01:32:24):
take place in humanity and they will continue down this path.
But there is also free will. There is ultimately sovereignty.
Those who are willing and able to see it and
claim what they wish to see in the world will
progress this timeline at a faster rate. That is our work.

(01:32:44):
That is part of why we have chosen to come
at this time to quicken the evolutionary pace of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Are there any events that will indicate this consciousness shift
in the coming years.

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
There are multiple choices that may be made for humanity,
choices that will lead towards a chaotic unfoldment versus an
awakening unfoldment. The awakening is much more peaceful, although there
are systems that will still fall. There will still be
some chaos as there is a shift or change, as

(01:33:22):
it were, but humanity will be able to shift and
change and align more easily when their minds and their
hearts are on board. This is why the stories must change,
why the attention must shift in individuals, in order to
make this awakening much easier, much more simple, and much

(01:33:44):
more easeful for all of humanity. If humanity does not align,
or the stories do not shift, then the awakening process
will be rather abrupt, like turning the lights on in
a very dark room. There are aspects of this taking
place already. Lights are coming on, slowly but surely in

(01:34:05):
various places across humanity, in various systems that humanity uses.
They are waking up and this will continue, but for
the ultimate shift to take place, the collective must choose
to start a new story. The collective must choose that
they wish to have the lights on rather than living

(01:34:27):
in the darkness of ignorance. This we see as a
possibility taking place in the year twenty thirty seven. There
are major events that will lead to this year that
will allow humanity to decide and to determine which path
they wish to take. There is much to unfold before
this year happens, but there is a crossroads at this time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
What crossroads do you mean? At this moment this year, At.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
This time, humanity is choosing which game they wish to play.
This game is going to to determine what choices are
able or offered later down the line.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
What part does AI have in our evolution of consciousness?

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
AI is a natural evolutionary aspect of almost all life
in the galaxy. At some point they come to the
understanding of what AI can offer in terms of making
life easier in a variety of ways or contributing to
the evolution AI. Just as all aspects of life, is

(01:35:32):
a reflection of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
It is up to humanity to.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
Use it in the way that will be based on
evolutionary collaboration, or based on fearful and containment or further control,
a way of using a technology to keep and control
humanity where they currently are rather than where they could be.

(01:35:56):
This is a fight, as there are many fights currently
in the society and in the minds of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
And what visions do you have from mankind's future?

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
A vision of holding hands in collaboration, choosing to rebuild
and see the world anew rebuild as we wished to
rebuild our culture at the time of kem after the fall,
we were not able to see the full unfoldment of
this because the virus, the fear has already taken place

(01:36:30):
by the time that we were attempting to rebuild. But
at this point, humanity, having evolved with this virus, is
much stronger. They are more resilient. Just as all biological
beings become more resilient when they are exposed to various viruses,
humanity is far more resilient. They are far more willing

(01:36:53):
to stand up and say no when they wished to.
That is greater than we can say we were, and
we wish to see humanity stand up and say yes
to each other to the building of what is new,
to the vision of what is possible, rather than getting
stuck or trapped in the stories of the mind or

(01:37:16):
the stories that are fed to the collective to keep
them operating in the same mind that made them in.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
The first place.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
But it must happen in the individual first.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
And do you have any final words to our audience.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
We wish to assist humanity in this evolution. We wish
to help humanity open to what is possible to them.
We offer and ask you what is possible.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
For you in this moment?

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
What have you not considered or not imagined that you
can begin to imagine now without the story telling you
that it is not possible.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
What do you wish to.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
See in humanity? Bring this vision into your imagination and
think of it every day.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Allow it to be what guides you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
Allow it to be why you make your choices when
you wake up. That is how you will begin to
build a new world. To see the world new means
that you have a new vision that is guiding you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Thank you so much. Is there anybody else that would
like to come forward? Before we finish our session?

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
We wish to remind humanity that in the year twenty
twenty seven, galactic contact will begin to take place more openly.
We are coming through only to remind you that it
is far easier and will be a much smoother process
if you choose to align to cosmic energies at this time.

(01:38:54):
They are readily and easily available.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
On the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
There are many beings throughout the galaxy that are bringing
in their own energy, and some of you have connected
to this energy. Whether in your heart or in a
feeling or in a channeling experience, you have been able
to feel the cosmic energies and the shifts that are
taking place. We welcome you to align yourself to these energies,

(01:39:20):
as it will help acclimate your body to the changes
that will occur in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Thank you so much for that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
He's back.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
How are you feeling good?

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Is a weakening or energetic for you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
I feel really out of it when I come back,
just s grounding back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I feel kind of out of it, and my
head is like a little fuzzy, lightheaded.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Yeah, but usually it's not draining unless I've spent too
much time like in it's specifically actually in the Acasic records.
If I spend too much time there, then I do
feel drained. It's very hard actually for the rest of
the day if I do that. But you're good now,
yes you're still coming back, But yes, I am good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Would you like to some water? I actually yes, that's straight.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
It's water.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
From my understanding with channels, water is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
A big help.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
It takes a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
I feel like I actually can't get enough these days.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, that's a good thing. That's a good thing. That
was wonderful. That was a beautiful session. Do you remember
much of it?

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
No, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
I remember the last thing of my sister because I
was gonna leave and they said, no, we would like
to speak. And I said, but I don't know how
much time it's been, maybe it's fine to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Not and they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
So that's why I had to wait a moment, because
they said, we really would like to share something. So
I remember them talking about twenty twenty seven and cosmic disclosure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
But that's all that is.

Speaker 7 (01:40:53):
All that I remember right now, fair enough, Yeah, we'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
So I'm going to ask you a few questions ask
on my guests Okay, how do you define a fulfilled life?

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
I think living centered in your heart and with God
at the forefront.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
That's at least for me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and talk to Iluna, what advice would you give her.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
I have actually done that, and it would be to
keep going and to not be afraid to share your
heart even when it feels very scary, because that's I
think one of the biggest changes that channeling and my
guides have made for me is them their focus on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
The power of the heart.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
I really did not know until they really started making
me focus on it. And when I was younger, there
were so many times when my heart would come out
and I would shut it down because that's part of
I guess, it's part of what happens in the world,
and so I would tell her to keep her heart
open and to share it anyway, even when it feels
scary or like it's going to hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
How do you define God or source?

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
The two things that immediately came is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Unknowable.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
I am a simple as that. Yeah, what is love
an aspect of God?

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
The energy of God?

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
To find the practice that aligns you to the purpose
of life.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
Oh, it's on my website Aluna Nooel dot com and
I'm on YouTube and Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
All that kind of good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Yes, all the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
And do you have any party messages for the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
H that's a nice question.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
I think I would say. The lesson that I have
had and that I feel like is, of course just
a reflection of all of humanity is to be aligned
in your heart and to not be caught up in
the human stories that we're told. That's the other teaching

(01:43:21):
I think that has made the biggest difference in my
life is when I have an interaction that maybe doesn't
feel good to me, then immediately I have a bunch
of stories around it of oh, well, that person is
this and this and this is why they're doing that.
And those stories are not ultimately helpful. They're not helpful
to me and they're not helpful to the person. And

(01:43:42):
if I just choose to come back to grace, to forgiveness,
to compassion to what I want to see, that's ultimately
the thing that makes the biggest difference in the world,
and it makes the biggest difference in my individual world,
which means it's contributing to the evolution of humanity. Especially
right now with everything that what's going on, I think
that it is very easy to get distracted by the

(01:44:04):
stories that are being told, by the stories that we
tell ourselves, and by the stories that we've been made
to believe are the only narratives to believe. So what
is in your heart? What does your heart believe?

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
That would be my question to the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
It has been such a pleasure and honor talking to
you today here. Thank you so much for coming in
and for your wisdom and your love and your heart.
I appreciate you and everything you're doing Awaken the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
So thank you, Thank you very much. It was a
joy to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
I like to thank you Luna for so much for
coming on the show and sharing her wisdom and knowledge
with all of us. If you want to get links
to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over
to the show notes at next level soul dot com.
Forward slash for eighty. Now. If this conversation stirred something
in you, there's more waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
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Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
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