FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: MANKIND'S HIDDEN POWER: Advanced & ANCIENT SPIRITUAL Alchemy to CREATE Your REALITY with Emily Fletcher

In the timeless dance of existence, where spirituality meets the every day, we find ourselves in today's episode welcoming the radiant Emily Fletcher. Emily's journey from Broadway performer to meditation teacher is nothing short of transformative. Her transition, born out of necessity and curiosity, has led her to discover profound truths about the human condition and the potential for growth through meditation and self-awareness. Emily begins by sharing her unlikely journey. Once a Broadway performer, she faced the high demands of understudying multiple lead roles, leading to severe stress and insomnia. “I meditate,” a fellow performer confided in her, sparking Emily's initial skepticism. Yet, desperation led her to try it, and on the first day of her meditation course, she experienced a profound shift in consciousness.

This newfound practice cured her insomnia, stopped her from getting sick, and reignited her passion for her career. She felt a calling to share this life-changing practice with others, leading her to train intensively in India and ultimately start her own meditation school, Ziva. Emily Fletcher eloquently explains the essence of meditation and its common misconceptions. Many people believe that the goal of meditation is to clear the mind, which can be daunting and seemingly impossible. She emphasizes that meditation is not about achieving a quiet mind but about accessing a unique state of consciousness where the body can rest deeply and heal itself. “We meditate to get good at life, not to get good at meditation,” she asserts. In this state, the body releases accumulated stress, which she likens to a deep, cellular cleanse.

A significant portion of Emily's teaching revolves around the concept of pleasure and its often misunderstood relationship with spirituality. She discusses how our genetic code is influenced by our epigenetics, which are changeable based on our lifestyle choices. Activities such as meditation, exercise, and even laughter can turn on healthy gene expressions, while stress and unhealthy habits can have the opposite effect. By embracing pleasure as a form of self-care and spiritual practice, individuals can transform their lives and enhance their well-being.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
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podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we have Emily Fletcher, who is an expert
in in not only meditation, but finding the path of
spirituality through physical touch, through physical actions with another person,

(01:52):
in other words, finding spirituality through the sexual energy. And
this is a pretty io opening conversation. It is not
for the feint at heart, but I think you guys
are really going to enjoy it. It was a beautiful,
beautiful conversation. So let's dive in. Like to welcome this show,
Emily Fletcher, How are you doing, Emily?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I am excited. I don't know what's in store for us,
but I feel like it's going to be big.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I appreciate that very much. No, I've been a fan
of your work for a while. I first, I think
I saw you on Mind Valley for the first time.
That's where I was introduced to your work and I've
always just anyone who talks about meditation I always love
talking to because I'm a big meditator myself, and it
changed my life and it changes people's lives in general.

(02:39):
And my very first question is how did you get
How did meditation first influence you, both professionally and personally?
How did you get into this?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, so I have an unlikely journey from Broadway performer
to meditation teacher. So I used to sing and dance
and act for a living for ten years and my
last show was a chorus line and my job was
to understudy three of the lead roles. And just for
people who don't know what that means, it's like you
show up to work and you have no idea which

(03:09):
job you're going to do. Like imagine you're an accounting
and you're like, oh, you know what today You're going
to go into sales and you're like, but I don't
even know well clients to call? And that's sort of
like being an understudy. You think you're going to be
in the ensemble and then you're the lead, or you
think you're going to be duty and then they throw
you on for val. So long story short, very stressful,
like very what I would call high demand, and so

(03:29):
that led to me going gray in my twenties, getting sick,
getting injured, not sleeping through the night. For eighteen months,
I had debilitating insomnia. So here I am on Broadway,
living my dream, doing the thing I had wanted to
do since I was a child, and I was miserable,
and thankfully this amazing woman was sitting next to me
in the dressing room. Her job was harder than me.

(03:50):
She was understudying five of the leads and crushing it.
Like every song, every dance, every bite of food that
this woman ate was a celebration. And I was like,
what do you know that I don't know? And she said,
I meditate, to which I rolled my eyes so big.
You know, if like an eye roll could be it
could have a sound, it would have had a sound.
And I didn't believe her. I just kept sucking at

(04:11):
my job, going gray, having insomnia, and then fine. Because
this was sixteen years ago, and so it's hard for
people to understand. But sixteen years ago, meditation was still
considered weird, and so I was very skeptical, and so
finally I it just it got so bad that I
thought I have to try something. So she said, hey,
my teacher's in town. And I went along to this course.
And on the first day of my first course, I

(04:34):
was in a different state of consciousness than I had
ever been in before, and I liked it. And that
night I slept through the night for the first time
in eighteen months, and I have every night since, and
that was sixteen years ago. Then I stopped getting sick.
I didn't get sick for eight and a half years.
I stopped going gray, I stopped getting injured. But the
most profound changes that I started enjoying my job again,

(04:54):
and I just thought, why isn't everyone doing this? Like
it changed my life personally and professionally so dramatically that
I genuinely thought, why isn't everyone doing this? That is
not just the title of my podcast, Like I am
the type of person that when I find something that works,
I want to shout it from the rooftops. So I
left Broadway. I went to India. I trained for about

(05:14):
three years to become a teacher. So I know, in
this day and age, people think like, oh, like I
got a yoga certification over the weekend, and that's awesome,
But this was more akin to getting a PhD in
the Vedic sciences. It was thousands of hours of apprenticing
about eighteen hours a week of very intensive meditation for
over a year, transcribing books by hand in Sanskrit, and

(05:35):
then helping thousands of people move through this training.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And then I.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Graduated and I started ZeVA and it's been the most rewarding, exciting,
fulfilling thing I've ever done. Yeah. Now I've taught over
fifty thousand people the Zva technique, which feels like a
real blessing.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That's amazing. Well, I mean, so this all sounds fantastic,
It sounds me it sounds wonderful. Can you tell the
people exactly what this means? Because a lot of people
understand what meditation is and you're like, I meditated, my
life changed. How what's the problem? Like, there's a little
bit of in between there. What is the process of

(06:15):
what happened to you when you meditated? And it seems
like you picked onto it pretty quickly where a lot
of people fall asleep, or a lot of people can
quiet the monkey brain or these kind of things. What
are the technical steps that happened when you meditated that
do all of these shifts for you in your life.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, so that's a great question. So I think a
lot of people either don't start because they think they
have to be able to clear their minds, and like,
there's no way I could sit still. There's no way
I could clear my mind if I sit still and
think about my ex and my taxes and everything I
have to do and my kids soccer practice. And so
the thing I want to just start with is that
the point of meditation is not to clear the mind.

(06:53):
Like I would argue that we meditate to get good
at life, not to get good at meditation. That no
one actually cares if you're a good meta, so it
doesn't matter actually if you can clear your mind or not.
And the other reason that people think they're falling asleep
or people think they're failing at it is that, honestly,
they just don't have any training like we assume because
meditation is simple, that we should already know how to

(07:14):
do it, like, oh, they taught that in tenth grade
and I must have been absent that day. So everybody
else just secretly already knows how to do this magical skill,
but I don't know how to do it. So I'm
not going to say anything. I'm just going to sit
here and own or sit here and make fancy fingers
in my lul lemons and then be like frustrated, why
I'm not seeing any progress or I'm not seeing this
performance enhancement in my life. So the first thing to

(07:35):
know is that meditation is a skill. The other thing
to know is if all meditations are not created equal, right,
like their meditation is like the word food. It's a
big blanket term that now people use to mean almost anything, like, oh,
I'm doing a drumming meditation. Oh I'm doing a scrolling
through instagram meditation. I'm I meditate. Well, I wash my dishes,
and it's like, no, that is called washing your dishes.

(07:58):
Exercise is called ex exercise. You know, running is called running,
and meditation is called meditation. It's why they have their
own words. So I am admittedly a snob. I have
a meditation snob. But I would argue that meditation is
a verifiable fourth state of consciousness where you are accessing
a unique and repeatable and verifiable brain signature, which is

(08:20):
different than waking, sleeping, or dreaming. And specifically, what we're
doing in ZEBA is if we're accessing this fourth state
of consciousness where your body is getting rest that is
five times deeper than sleep. And this is a really
exciting and important part because when you give your body
the rest that it needs, it knows how to heal itself.

(08:42):
And one of the things that it's healing itself from
is stress. And where this gets exciting is that, specifically
with ZEBA, you're not just handling your stress from today.
You're actually de exciting the nervous system so that you
can get rid of all of the accumulated stress from
your past, all of the stress that has been sore
itself in your cellular memory. That is what comes up

(09:04):
and out in this style of meditation. And this is
actually the secret sauce, because if all you're doing is
handling your stress from today, like oh, traffic was crazy,
my boss yelled at me, my kid had a temper tantrum,
And then if your meditation practice is only like getting
rid of today's stressors, that's fine. That's certainly better than
having a shot of sequila, it's better than doing nothing.

(09:26):
But if you're not handling the backlog, if you're not
getting rid of the stress you've been accumulating from your past,
then you're not going to be ushering yourself into higher
states of consciousness. So if you agree that the point
of meditation is to get better at life, then when
you want to really address the backlog of stresses which
is unfortunately making all of us stupid, sick, and slow.

(09:46):
Which people don't like that, but it's true. Stress makes
us stupid, sick, and slow. And if you would like
proof of that, take a look around the species right
now with real stress right now.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Again, stressed when the tiger's chasing you. Good, stress about
traffic not so good, and a constant state of stress
that is draining your adrenals, taxing your nervous system. All
of these things is so detrimental to our living life.
I can tell you from when I started to meditate.

(10:19):
When I started to meditate, I mean I started to
do deep meditations probably in the hour to three hour
is my general time, hour hour and a half is
generally daily as to try to do that. We'll be
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(10:40):
back to the show. And it just just changed my
life in a way that is difficult to explain. Though
you're much more articulate about it than I am, but
it just like.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I'd love to know. Can you try, Like, can you
give us a snapshot, like do you remember you the
day before you started medita? And then a snapshot of
you now? And that could be anything from like how's
your sleep, how's your sex, how's your creativity, how's your
presence with your family? Like I would love to know
that because I think people think like people are so
good at judging themselves on what's happening in the chair,

(11:16):
like oh, that was a deep meditation that was good.
Oh that was a shallow meditation that was bad. And
I'm like, no, I don't care. I don't care what
your time with your eyes closed feels like I care.
How good of a parent are you? How good of
a mother or a brother or a sister or a
lover are you? Like how good are you at the
things that you say are important to you? And so
I would love to know, like how many years ago
did you start meditating?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh? Seven? Eight?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Okay, so can you remember you eight years ago? Like
what was your stress versus now?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Oh? Well, yeah, well, first of all, when I start
I tried meditating many many times over the years It's
something I tried to do, but I could not. I
didn't know the training, I didn't know that I didn't
have to keep my mind completely blank. That's not the
goal of meditation and possible, It's truly impossible. I mean,
you do eventually slip into if you're if you go

(12:05):
deep enough, you slip into a place where you your
mind is clear, but it's been replaced by something else.
It's not your mind anymore. Now you're connecting to another place,
a higher level of consciousness and source. Yeah, exactly, so
you fall into those that blissful place. I've walked out

(12:26):
of meditations multiple times, almost all the time, depending on
how busy my life is. In this blissful state where
people like my kids would run up to me and like, oh,
you just meditated. They just felt they just know it
because they sense how I'm in like a bliss like
so to a point where sometimes I get out of
a meditation and I'm like drunk. I feel like I can't.

(12:47):
I have to acclimate to the world again. That's how
deep I can go sometimes. But before I started much
more stressful, much more angry about a lot of frustrations
that I had in my life time. You know, I
would go off like that, you know, I loved not
go off like like like stupid stuff like you know,

(13:07):
some cut you off kind of go off or or snap. Yeah,
it was a constant. But as I started to meditate
over the years, and the deeper and longer I would
go into it, my I became much more relaxed, much more,
much more at peace. It takes a little bit longer,

(13:28):
a lot longer to get me riled up. Like I
don't get riled up as easy as I used to before, Like,
especially when I was a young man, I drop of
a hat ready to go, like it was just constant.
But now I'm just more I look back. You know,
someone cuts me off in traffic. I can count one
hand how many times I've gotten upset over that in
the last ten years because it doesn't happen right, But

(13:49):
when they do, I'm like, man, he must be something
going on with him or something going on with her
that you know that that she's had to do that,
you know, I'm like, Oh, that's as dangerous then, I like,
why are you putting my life in danger? Get away
from me. Other than that, it's those kind of things.
But me and meditation has changed my life in such
a large or profound way. But so many people are

(14:09):
afraid of it because they don't know what to do
and how to do it and what they're doing wrong.
And you're right, judge, Judge, Judge, judge, judge.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, And there's so much misinformation down out there, I think,
And I think one of the big misconceptions I see
is that a lot of people are trying to practice
monastic meditation like styles that were actually made for monks,
versus Zeba was made for people like us. Zeba is
made for people with busy minds and busy lives. So

(14:38):
you actually only need to do about fifteen or twenty minutes.
And because it's giving your body this rest, it's five
times deeper than sleep. You're getting the equivalent of about
an hour and a half nap, but without the sleep
hangover on the other side. So, yes, you're flooding your
brain and body with dopamine and serotonin, which are bliss chemicals,
which is why you felt like drunk or high. It's
like you're getting high on your own supply, but you're

(14:59):
not flowed to bring with sleep chemicals. And because you're
getting that deep reast. You're getting that de excitation. I
mean you de excite something, you create order. And when
you create order in your body, that is the mechanics
by which the body's able to release that lifetime of
accumulated stress. Because a body doesn't want to be stressed.
It's just trying to protect us. And if the body
thinks that there's constantly a life threatening situation going on

(15:22):
because we're chronically in that fight or flight, then it
has to be on guard. We have to be vigilant.
And then if we're constantly in that vigilant fight or
flight hyper accelerated mode, then the body is never getting
the rest that it needs to repair, and that affects
everything our adrenals, our immune system, our skinning elasticity, our
braining elasticity, our indocrine our hormone or reproductive organs, our

(15:43):
sex drive. So when you're like, oh, this thing sounds
so magical, what are the mechanics? What I want people
to understand is that meditation is not magic. It is
simply the most powerful antidote that we have to stress,
and stress is responsible for ninety percent of all doctors'
visits nine zero. According to Harvard Medical School, stress is

(16:04):
responsible for ninety percent of all of our doctor's visits.
So any ailments that you have, any predisposition that you
might have that you've inherited from your genetic blueprint, from
your parents or your grandparents, or if you were born with something,
that's just a blueprint. But ninety five percent of our
genetic code is actually our fpigenetics, which are mutable or changeable.

(16:26):
So that means that every time we exercise, every time
we have sex, every time we meditate, every time we garden,
every time we're in the sunshine, every time we're laughing
with friends, we're turning on our healthy gene expressions. And conversely,
every time we're lonely or drinking alcohol or eating too
much sugar or long screens all day, or not meditating
or letting our bodies be pickled with stress chemicals like

(16:48):
adrenalineine cortisol, we're turning on the unhealthy gene expressions. And
so the thing I want the people to understand is
just how much agency we do have over our physical, mental,
and spiritual wellness. It's like we've all been handled different blueprints,
and that's a real thing, right, Like if your mom
was an alcoholic and your dad was depressed and your

(17:10):
grandma committed suicide. Like, admittedly, the stacks, the decks are
stacked against you, but it's not fatalistic. It doesn't mean
that that has to be your fate.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh agreed, Yeah, agreed to one hundred percent. And I
mean that's a lot of that is generational karma as well,
that you kind of carry along with you generationally, and
you can stop it. I mean, Bruce Lipton, you know
the godfather epigenetics. You know you can change your blueprints,
you can change your destiny. It is something that is

(17:41):
scientifically been proven now that you can do. Yeah, before
you're like, well dad had cancer, You're going to have cancer.
Mom had this, You're going to have that, that's not
the necessarily the case. A lot of that has to
do with your own belief system. Now, Emily, I wanted
to ask you, since you have meditated for song and
spent three years in a monastic scenario in India while
you were training well close to them, I'm assuming well, yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Wasn't actually a monastic because this lineage, even though at
six thousand years old, it was made for what we
call householders. It was made for people with busy minds
and busy lines. And the thing I love about this
lineage so much is that it really celebrates the individuality
and the totality. It's not trying to remove you from
the society. It's actually giving you the tools to integrate

(18:25):
into society.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Which is great. But spending three years in India training
for meditation, you're around a lot of meditators. You're a
lot around I'm assuming some gurus, some yogi's you've probably
run into and things like that. During your meditations where
you said that you had to meditate eighteen hours a week,
which is a substantial amount of meditation, did you ever
go so deep that visions came to you or something

(18:52):
someone started to talk to you. This is now the
more yogic idea of meditation. Where you read autobiography, yogi,
you read a lot of these philosophies where meditation does
open you into other I mean to the extent of
opening yourself up to other worlds or being able to
do other things with yogic powers, but specifically just straight

(19:13):
visions ideas names. The name of this show came to
me in a meditation. I literally said, hey, guys, if
you want me to do this show. I need a
name that I can trademark and that no one else
is using. And then fifteen minutes later in my meditation,
the words next level Soul showed up. I'm like, oh,
that sounds cool. Let me check that out. So it happened.

(19:34):
Things like that happen all the time in my meditations.
So what I would love to hear your experiences?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, what a great question. So, actually the same thing
happened for me. I was doing my teacher training and
at this point I was actually in Los Angeles finishing
my training, but still meditating eighteen hours a week and apprenticing,
and I was like, what am I going to name
this company? And so because I was like starting to
build my website and starting to get things going, I
was like, and my boyfriend at the time, I said,
why don't you just make up a word? I was like,

(20:00):
I'm not going to just make up a word. And
he's like, well, look at Google, Yahoo, Akam. I like,
all these huge companies just made up words. And I
was like, mom, doesn't feel right to me.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Google's a real word. Google's a real word. I actually, yeah,
it's a number. It's a number. It's an actual number. Yeah,
this sounds made up, but.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's in the zeitgeist. You know, it's like naho is
like Okay, it's like a sound, but you know, so
there's is if you're taking these abstract concepts and then
making them terms right, and so basically in the meditation,
I was, you know, in the inquiry, and I got
the hit of like, oh, the Sanskrit word for bliss,
and so I looked it up. What's the sanscript word

(20:42):
for bliss. Well, turns out there's fourteen different sanscrit words
for bliss. ZeVA was one of them. It jumped out
at me, and so I was like, what does ZeVA mean?
This is Zeva's sanscript for bliss, But it's also a
Hebrew name that means one who is radiant or kind
and since bliss and radiance and kindness are very common
side effects of meditation, I thought it would be a
good name. So there was that, and I would say that.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
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Speaker 2 (21:13):
What happened mostly in the beginning of my career as
a meditator was like a dissolving. It it was a death.
It was me dying to all of the old parts
of me that were not relevant and really unstressing, like
letting go of so much accumulated stress. It wasn't very fun,
but it was helpful. I think it's allowed me to
radiate at a frequency that inspires people to want to learn.

(21:35):
But recently, i'd take in the past two to three years,
I've had a lot of awakenings, a lot of very
psychedelic experiences and really deepening my connection with the divine,
and I would say anthropomorphizing my relationship with the divine
because according to the Vedas, which is what I've been

(21:55):
studying for sixteen years. So the Vedas vieda sanscript word
that means knowledge, knowledge of what. It's like knowledge of
natural law. It's like, these are the laws of nature,
and you don't have to follow them. It's not a law,
it's not a doctrine, it's not a dogma. It's just
if you want nature's support, it would behoove you to
understand how nature's working so that you can work in

(22:16):
accordance with it. But you do, you boo. It's like
it's not gonna there's no like. It's not like the
Ten Commandments, thou shalt do this or that. It's just
like gravity is real. You can use it to help
you or hurt you. And so that was sort of
the beginning and that and so I operate under the
belief that all of it is you. So the most

(22:36):
foundational concept in the Vedas is that there is only
one thing, and we are all it, and that one
thing is consciousness. And so even you know the gurus
or the deities or the or like the pantheon of
gods and goddesses that are in the Vedas, I just
think of them as expressed as expressions of myself. So Lakshmi,
the goddess of abundance, I just see as a representation

(22:59):
of the abundance inside of me. Shiva, the destroyer of irrelevance,
I see as the destruction of irrelevance inside of me.
So every time you file your nails, or take a
pooh or exfoliate your skin, that's Shiva function. Anytimes something
has become irrelevant, it needs to be destroyed. And so
most recently I have been very connected. We're going to

(23:20):
jump pantheons now, but I feel like I have a
very deep connection with isis and isis is the Egyptian
goddess of motherhood, of fertility and of sex magic. And
so my most recent part of my career has been
helping people, to teaching people how to use their sexual
energy to manifest. And this is very potent, very powerful
practice because it's one of the most conditioned, shamed parts

(23:44):
of our society because it is one of the most potent,
and so just like psychedelics have been vilified, so has
sexual energy because sexual energy is an endogenous pharmacology right
like this, These are chemicals that we can access inside
of our own brains and bodies, that nature's installed inside
of us that remind us of our own divinity. And
I think because people who have access to that are

(24:06):
very hard to control. Similar with psychedelics, it's giving you
such a visceral experience of your own divinity that we've
gone ahead and made everyone think that those are scary
or bad, or wrong or sinful. So when you tap
into the power in these there could be a huge reclamation.
And so for me, in the past three to four
years have really deepened my relationship with Isis to the

(24:29):
point where now I feel like like she's my girl,
I can like call on her when I need, I
can do invocations for other people I give. Feels really
like this beautiful two way relationship that I've invested a
lot of time and energy in and in. You know,
I believe that nature pays attention to those who are awake,
and what we put our attention on grows. And so

(24:51):
if you're willing to invest and even sacrifice the most
valuable resource that we have, which is our time and attention,
and give that to the divine, then the divine gives
that back to us. And and even if all of
that is just hogwash, like even if it's just a placebo,
that it is changing my consciousness, right, it is changing

(25:12):
the way that I interact with the world, then therefore
changing my reality.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, I was going to ask you about sex magic,
because you're right, sex is such a especially in the West,
you know, just looked upon and vilified, and I mean
all of I mean throughout history, I mean and also
the oppression of women in general throughout history. People always
ask me, why are there no more? There's not as
many assended All the sended masters are all male, and

(25:38):
there's not a lot of female ascended masters that you
talk about. I'm like, well, because if you came out
as a woman as an ascended master, you will probably
have been burned. In the olden days, it's just the
within nature of the thing, but that oppression of that
sexual magic or that sexual energy. Uh, and then women
have so much of it that they know. Women are

(26:00):
extremely powerful. I've been surrounded by women, I was raised
by women. I have no testosterone in my house whatsoever,
other than my own, So I am surrounded by women
all the time, and it is there. It's so powerful.
And it seems that women are starting to find the
power within themselves and being more free to express it,

(26:22):
and in sexual and sexual energy as well during the
practices you're talking about. If you tap into that sexual energy,
it is otent without question. How do you combine or
how does sex magic contribute to spiritual growth? Because it
can go see, just like psychedelics, just like so many

(26:45):
other things in the physical, you can live there and
it could be a detour from your spiritual path, just
like on the yogic path. You start to levitate, you
start to biolocate. Those are really cool things, manifest things
out of your hand. You're becoming a superhero, and you
could get caught in those yoga traps, as they call them.

(27:06):
So how do you contribute this sexual energy to your
spiritual growth and not get caught in the trap? Because hey,
if you've had good sex, it can be a trap.
My dear, I hate to tell.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
You the thing. It's awesome, Like why great?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
We should do this five times a day. I don't
understand why we're not doing it all the time, and
many people try. No, but it could be. But that
physical expression is very potent, but you can get lost
in it. So I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Ye, yeah, So, I mean anything can be medicine and
anything can be a drug, right, Like water is the
very basis of life. It is ninety percent of our bodies,
and yet it can be a form of torture. You
can waterboard people, that's what they do to prisoners of war.
Same is true of psychedelics. It could be one of
the most potent reclamation tools that allows you to not

(27:57):
only see the face of God, but remember that you
are the face of God. And you can use psychedelics
to avoid life and to escape your life. And I
think the same is true of sexual energy. You can
use it to numb, you can use it to as
an addiction, to fill an internal void with an external source.
I mean food, right, Like people, we need food to live.

(28:19):
It is nourishment, and people have food addictions. And so
the question is not really the modality. I'm less interested
in what the thing is. I'm more interested in what
is your motivation and using it right. And so if
your motivation to eat a meal is to nourish your body,
to open up, to have community with your friends, to
create alchemy and art with your food, then and to

(28:42):
pray and to offer your the pleasure of eating up
to the divine as you're having the meal, that's very
different than like eating a whole sleeve of oreos while
you're watching Netflix and not even tasting the oreos because
you're not even present with the food. So I think
the same is true of sexual energy, right, So we
could use it to numb our pain. We could try

(29:04):
to fill our internal holes with external sources, like validating
ourselves from other people. And certainly the way that sexuality
is presented and what we're all swimming in, certainly in
the West, but probably the whole world is such a patriarchal,
misogynistic view of sex. And because so many people are

(29:25):
being introduced to sex with porn. It's like, whoa, It's
like to me, the conversation around sex is similar to
if the only thing we ever said about food was
warning about junk food, where we're just like, oh, this
is toxic, this is bad for you. The sugar is
going to create inflammation, the hydrogenated oils are going to
give you a heart attack. That people are like, Oh
my god, you're going to get STDs and you're going

(29:46):
to get pregnant, and you're gonna he's going to try
and use you, and he's gonna you're gonna get raped,
and then you're gonna get abused. And that's all we're
talking about is the dangers and the darkness. And because
we're swimming in so much repression that it's like the
energy is so power that it wants to be expressed,
but it's only being expressed in not only but it
is largely being expressed in its darker forms because we

(30:10):
have not yet learned how to express it in a healthy,
integrated way. And I think that that is the very
unfortunate byproduct of making us afraid of our own power
and afraid of our own pleasure. That's happened with institutions
in religion and political organizations for tens of thousands of years.
So what I'm very interested in.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Is how do we re educate the population to have
a conversation about the light as well to see that
we can use our sexual energy as a pathway to
the divine and that unioning with yourself or unioning with
someone else is one of the most potent and how
powerful way is a viscerally experiencing the divinity inside of you.

(31:03):
And it's just like we would teach kids about, you know,
the power of a car, like you're gonna if you're
gonna go to driver's ed. It's like, this is a
powerful tool. This car can get you to school in
twenty minutes instead of you having to walk there or
take the public bus and transfer four times. This is
a powerful tool, and you can wrap it around a
tree and kill yourself and someone else. But we're only

(31:25):
having the dangerous side of the conversation around sex without
integrating or teaching people how profound and potent and holy
it is as well.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, without question, and you know it's funny when you're
saying people being introduced into porn. You know, I worked
in the film industry and the things that they project,
even in Hollywood and movies and sex is not something
that is real because I've shot those kind of scenes
as a director, and I could tell you not comfortable,

(31:55):
not comfortable for the actors, not comfortable for me, not
comfortable for anybody involved. And every time, you know, my
wife and I will be watching a movie and we're like, oh, yeah,
that's scene in the shower. Yeah, that's not comfortable at all. Oh,
backseat of a car, Yeah, that's not the way that goes,
you know. Oh on the beach, yeah, with the sand. Sure,
like only people who have who are like, let's go

(32:17):
have sex on the beach. And then the second you're like,
oh this is not no. Oh in a pool in
a pool, No, no, not nearly as cool as they
make it look like exactly, And we could get I
don't want to go into super details, but you know
what I mean, like a lot of people look at
those things, it's like, oh, well that must be the

(32:38):
way it is. When you go around the block a
couple of times you realize that that's not the way
it is, and it's not the pure real connection of love.
When you do it in the right way with love involved,
it's an expression of that love, and only people who've
had both can understand. And the difference was that is

(33:01):
that a fair statement? Well? I think that.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I think the only thing I would argue with is
when we think about love, like even that word it
has some connotations of like, oh, well, you need to
be in love with the person and it needs to
be your person, and so like what I hear is
I can see people putting filters on that of like, oh,
I need to be in love with my primary partner,

(33:25):
and I need to doing this in a way that
is an expression of our like monogamous heterosexual cisgendered love,
which is different than like, oh I love myself and
I could make love in my body. I could make
oxytocin in my own body. I could use the pleasure
that I'm creating in my own body to dedicate to

(33:46):
my higher self, my angel self, isis or any other
divine being, because we are the incarnate ones right like
they don't have bodies. So as an act of love,
as an active devotion, I could invite those beings in
to experience that pleasure through my body I could do.
You know, there's there's like many different versions of love.
But I would hope that anyone engaging in any pleasure

(34:07):
practices is doing it from a place of either loving
themselves or loving someone else.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I would agree with you on that. And also
one thing I noticed is when you become more conscious
during sex or during love making, conscious meaning really in it,
very much like the Oreo cookie analogy. You said, a
lot of people do sex that way that it's just
like going through the motion or just this or that.

(34:33):
But when you focus your energy on the partner, on
your partner, focus your energy, your mind, your complete thought pattern,
it transforms the act in such a large way it's
hard to you know, it's hard. Once you get the
porn out of the head and bring in the consciousness
into it, it opens life up in a large large

(34:56):
that experience up in a large way.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Would you agree, Yeah, there's no ceiling on that, Like
it is infinite fractals of beauty and presence and pleasure
that can happen. And you know, when we do our retreats,
like I'm leading a retreat next week and I invite
people as an invitation, but before we do our sacred secret,
which we say invite people to abstain from porn with

(35:18):
no judgment, and like, look, there's a time and a
place for everything. But similar to if all you were
ever eating was candy, if all you were ever eating
was sweethearts, then to try and taste the sweetness of
a home cooked carrot from your garden, you're just not
going to be able to taste the sweetness of that.
Versus if you're not eating candy and you eat a
home cooked roasted carrot that you grow from your own garden,

(35:41):
and the time and energy and presence and love that
went into cultivating that, it is going to be like
night and day, and again it's infinite, like the amount
of return you can get on that investment, And the
same I would say of a vibrators. You know, with vibrators,
it's just it's so intense, it's so fast, and usually
we're doing that because we're not taking the time to

(36:02):
prioritize our pleasure and so we're just looking for like
what's the fastest way to get to an end result.
So I invite people to abstain from porn and vibrators
and just really come home to themselves and to treat
their pleasure practices like they would a mindfulness practice. So
instead of fantasizing, instead of trying to get anywhere, instead
of trying to change an outcome, it's like, can I
come back to what is? Can I notice what is?

(36:23):
Can I put my attention on the present moment? Can
I be in this sensation? And then what we put
our attention on grows, So as you put your attention
on that sensation, it amplifies, and the trick where this
becomes such a powerful and profound healing modality. And I
think this goes to your original question of how can
we use sexual energy as part of our spiritual practice?

(36:44):
Is that usually, unfortunately, because we are swimming in so
much sexual trauma because it has been so compartmentalized, and
we usually we have some flavor of abuse, be it
religious or ancestual or rape or who knows, but some
flavor of sexual use that when we start to dance
in these territories, the things get triggered. You know. The

(37:05):
story is the shame, the uncomfortability, the body, hatred, like
there's any number of things that get popped up and
rather than seeing that as a barrier. I'm like, oh no,
I'm supposed to be doing a pleasure practice and now
I'm thinking about how much I hate my body, Or
oh no, I was supposed to be making love to
my partner and now I'm feeling isolated and alone inside.

(37:27):
Instead of thinking of that as an obstacle, what I
teach and sacred secret is whatever is is the portal.
This is a really simple but profound concept, is that
whatever is is your portal. Meaning, if you're feeling numb, cool,
can we just love that numbness? Can we feel it

(37:47):
all the way? Can we get curious about it? Why
am I numb right now? What is my body protecting
me from? When did this numbness start? Actually, numbness is
a feeling. Can I feel it all the way? And
I would argue that is any feeling fully felt. Bliss
is any feeling fully felt. So if you're having rage

(38:08):
at yourself, rage at your partner, can you feel that
all the way? Because the reality is our feelings just
want to be felt. And what I have been so
amazed by is the profundity and potency of sexual energy
of that pleasure to alchemize, Like how quickly it can
take intense trauma, intense darkness and alchemize it into light

(38:35):
because the creative capacity of pleasure is so great, that is,
it's bigger than the darkness, it's bigger than the pain,
so it actually allows you to feel it fully, which
is very similar to meditation. Like the reason why meditation
alchemizes stress is because your body finally feels safe enough
to know that it can produce its own bliss chemistry.

(38:58):
It's like, once your body knows that it can produce
dopamine and seratonin in a repeatable, self sufficient way, it
actually frees you up to feel the stress, to feel
the rage, to feel the unfelt sadness. And similarly, once
the body knows it has access to pleasure, pleasure is
even more potent than bliss because you're adding in nourepinephrin

(39:19):
and adrenaline and oxytocin, which are even more potent bliss chemicals.
So it's like it's like the pleasure metabolizes the pain.
And I feel really effusive about this because I've recently
learned that my likes talking about guides and who I
get connected to. So I've had many different healers tell
me that my power animal is a peacock. And yes

(39:41):
I'm a singer, dancer, performer, and yes I'm like a
five to ten Broadway show girl at all that, but
not just the showgirl aspect of the peacock that I
learned recently that peacocks eat poison, that peacocks actually ingest venom,
and they turn it into their feathers. And that's what
I feel like is a bit part of my dharma
is to teach people how to use their own pleasure,

(40:03):
to metabolize their own pain, to take that trauma and
to turn it into beauty.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
That's so wonderful. It's just a beautiful look, idea and
concept all this talk we're talking about with sexual magic
and really diving deeper into our energy. We'll be right
back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show. There is so much dogma that we

(40:34):
are programmed with, programming that we've picked up along the
way through like you said, through religion, through our community,
our parents, our friends, our cinema, you know, movies, television,
whatever whatever that is. How can you what advice do
you have for somebody who wants to overcome the programming?

(40:55):
Because I promise you when you said the word vibrator
a few minutes ago. There is people and the audience
that they're like, oh, oh my god, oh that vibrator,
Like I can see that. And when I said that,
that was the first, the first there was that programming
in my head. You're like, did she just a vibrator
out loud? And you said it with such ease? And

(41:17):
that's a that's a you know, it's wonderful. I love it.
It's and I have no problem with it. But I,
for whatever reason, I sensed the audience's part of the audience.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Your job, you got to tune into the frequency.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I felt that, like the audience like, oh my god,
she's just said vibrator. What are they going to talk
about self pleasure next? Like, I mean, it's like all
that kind of stuff. So what advice do you have
for somebody who wants to break free from these this programming,
change the the connections the synapses in their head so
they can become more free with their sexual energy and

(41:50):
then also that leading to help them on their spiritual path.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, thank you for asking that. And I first just
want to let anyone know that I don't like I
was listening to this because I wanted to talk about meditation.
I don't know why this one's even talking about pleasure.
This feels wrong, this feels dirty, this feels like a sin.
I just want you to know that you are not alone.
There is nothing wrong with you. And there's been tens
of thousands of years of very effective campaigning to divorce

(42:17):
us from this flavor of our own divinity. So just
know that there's nothing wrong with that. And I also
want to share that I was raised Southern Baptist. Okay,
I'm from Tallahassee, Florida. I was raised Southern Baptist with
you know. I grew up with dudes wearing khaki suits
yelling at me from a pulpit, telling me what I
should and shouldn't do with my body. And even at
five years old, I was like, hmm, that is not
it for me. That is not it. And then I

(42:38):
grew up and I got on Broadway and for ten
years I would sing and dance, and I became world
class at moving my body and using my voice in
a way that made people want me. But I did
not know my own want, and again I thought, that
is not it. And then I started teaching the ZeVA
technique of mindfulness and meditation and manifesting to tens of

(42:58):
thousands of people. Mber one thing that I would hear is, Emily,
I don't know what I want. Emily, I don't know
what I want. And again I thought, that is not it.
We have been so divorced from our desires because we've
been made to think that our desires are a sin,
that our desires are wrong. And so then I've had
the amazing good fortune of being exposed to some of

(43:19):
the world's most amazing teachers, tontric masters, pleasure facilitators that
have really changed my mind, to open my eyes, allowed
me to reclaim this flavor of divinity for myself, allowed
me to use my pleasure to pray. And that's really
what I teach now. I teach people how to use
their pleasure to pray. Because I would argue that the

(43:42):
simplest recipe, the simplest formula for manifestation is this, feel good,
place the order, place the order, feel good, feel good,
place the order, place the order, feel good, feel good,
place the order, place the order, feel good, feel good,
place the order, place the order, feel good. And it's

(44:02):
so simple to understand, but it's not that simple to
practice because we have been trained to think that feeling
good is a sin. Oh I can't have that cake.
Oh I can't take that time, I can't take a nap.
I couldn't meditate for fifteen minutes. I don't deserve that.
I couldn't possibly engage in a self pleasure practice because
that means I'm going to go to hell and that's

(44:23):
a sin. So it's just like, look at all of
the insidious ways that we've been divorced not only from
our desire but also from our pleasure, which is so
absurd because it's like, why do we think we even
incarnated to begin with? Like truly, like why are we here?
If you talk to the enlightened masters, if you ask
the greats, the living legends, the people that we're all

(44:45):
looking to for the spiritual answers, what they say is
that the purpose of life is bliss. The twenty four
hour a day bliss is our birthright, and that the
reason that we're here is to have a great time.
So when a the way did we convince ourselves that
the point of life is to like max out our
four oh one k and work sixty hours a week

(45:06):
and live in these little cells of cubicles and then
connect on screens instead of in person. And it's just
we're just so deep in a very unhealthy paradigm of
what it means to be a human. And so for
anyone who's like, I want to liberate myself from this, well,

(45:27):
I'll tell you how I've done it. And this is
a little embarrassing. I did not prioritize my own pleasure
until I understood that I could use my pleasure to pray.
It was not until I understood that I could use
my pleasure to enhance my manifestation practice that I started
to really prioritize it, which is kind of fed up,

(45:48):
but it's true. And I'm saying that because my superpower
as a teacher is making esoteric concepts accessible and relatable
to a mainstream audience. I've done it for sixteen years
with meditation, and now like nature is asking me to
do the same thing for sacred sexuality, because you know,
desperate times call for desperate measures. So I'm sharing that

(46:09):
because just like sixteen years ago, when I started teaching
about meditation, I was like, hey, you guys, you can
just sit quietly in a chair and it's going to
help you have better sex and make more money. I
was like going after what was the theme and the
vibration on the planet, which was like, achieve more, make
more money, have better sex. Mean my book is called
stress Less, Accomplish More. I managed to reframe meditation as

(46:31):
a productivity tool because I was willing to put the
candy coating on top of the medicine. And now it
feels like what I'm doing with pleasure is framing pleasure
as a manifestation tool, which it is you can use
your pleasure to pray. So I think that a way in.
If you are like me and not yet willing to
prioritize your pleasure because it feels too selfish, too luxurious,

(46:52):
too sinful, too decadent. Then what if you were like,
oh the better I feel, the more money I could
make for my family, Oh the better I feel, the
more the faster I could manifest this house for my
dream home. Oh the better I feel, the higher quality
employees I'm going to entract to serve my mission. So
that's my sneaky way in.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Now. You know what's fascinating is you were saying something
that just caught my eyes, Like we've been here especially
in the West, not as much in Europe, but here
in the United States that sex is. I mean, you
can't see anything dealing with sex or nudity or anything
like that. It's like rated R or restricted or all

(47:35):
this kind of stuff. But yet the violence that could
be shown is so easy. You can have people's head
cut off, that's no problem. You can mean what passes
for PG. Thirteen or even television now, it's just a
way of the focus of our programming. Why it all

(47:57):
comes I think it all comes back down from the
dogmain religion. It all comes down from all that stuff.
But it is fascinating to see how you go to
Europe and just like it's completely different there, And not
that they're perfect by any stretch. They still have their
issues as well, But it's just prioritizing something that was
given to us by our creator as far as our

(48:18):
sexual energy is concerned, not demonizing it but embracing it
for the betterment of ourselves and a betterment of our
lives and a betterment of people around us, maybe our
partners hopefully as well. But it is such a powerful
thing that has been demonized firs way, way, way too long,

(48:39):
and I think and I'd love to hear your thoughts
on this, because I do see a lot of these
cracks are starting to show. Things are starting to crumble
around them, religion being one of them. You know, different
governments and financial all these institutions that you and I
grew up with been around for hundreds, if not thousands

(49:00):
of years, are starting to crumble because because this is
the consciousness is going no, no, this is what you
said at five years old. A lot of other people
are starting to catch up on even now. When I
was in Catholic school at five years old, I'm like,
this doesn't make any sense. What is this really? This
doesn't make any sense. So where do you Where do

(49:20):
you see a better understanding of sex or embracing sexual
energy in this this whole patheon of different institutions that
are crumbling down, And where you think it's going to
go in the future.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Well, I'll tell you where I'd like for it to go.
I believe that what we put our attention on grows,
and so you know, anything that you want to manifest,
it starts first starts as an idea, as a feeling,
as it's your journal entry. As you know, before you
build the house, you have the blueprint, and so I
think it's really important that we collectively continue to put
our attention on the things that we want to grow,

(49:57):
Like what are the flowers not the weeds? And I
always say, like especially in presidential elections, like do not
talk about the candidate that you do not want to win,
talk about the candidate that you do want to win.
Put your attention on the thing that you want to grow.
So we collectively can put our attention on the reality
that we want to manifest. Then we are growing those flowers.
And that is actually the entire point. So that's actually

(50:20):
the entire point behind Sacred Secret. And Sacred Secret is
this new modality I'm berthing for the past three years,
And it's basically this formula where we visualize, alcomize, and magnetize.
So we visualize the future that we want, either for
ourselves or for the species, we alchemize anything standing in
the way, and then we magnetize it with our pleasure.
And so a reality that I am birthing that I

(50:42):
think will will plant the seeds for many other realities
to be birth. So it'll be like a fractal of
creation because we're harnessing our creation energy, So I'll share
it with my dream and then I'll share what I
hope is the ripple effect of that.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
We'll be right back after a word from our spot
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Is you know, the sacred sites around the planet, almost
like the acupuncture points of the planet. You know, the
pyramids in Cairo, the pyramids in taeow Tikon in Mexico City.
There's even points in Arctica like there are watching Muchipeachu like.
There are sacred sites around the planet that are not
just man made structures. They are important energetic meridians on

(51:30):
the planet, just like we have important energetic meridians in
our body. And so my dream is to activate these
sacred sites, to be doing sacred secret activations there where
people are visualizing, alchemizing, and magnetizing the life and the
world of their wildest imagination, and millions of people streaming
in from home also doing the same from the safety
and comfort of their own home. And my big dream

(51:52):
is that everyone gets into deep coherence with themselves and
each other, and that they're holding a shared vision for
the planet, that they're actually holding a vision for what
their version of heaven on Earth looks like, and My hypothesis,
and obviously I don't know because you've never done this
with my hypothesis is that we can get a critical
mass of people in this elevated of a state of consciousness,

(52:13):
holding and putting the most potent creative force on the
planet and dedicating that to their dream that we may
in fact change the timeline of the species. And people
are like, this sounds crazy and this is so wild,
and like, to me, what sounds crazy is letting humanity
go the direction that it is heading right now, because
if we look at the statistics, if we look at

(52:34):
predictive analytics, like, it does not look good for humans,
Like we are murdering ourselves, we are committing suicide as
a species. That is happening right now. We have less
than sixty years of usable soil left on the planet
six zero. My son is five, Okay, I would like
to be alive in sixty years. And so it's like,
what's crazy to me is it just to continue on

(52:55):
this linear path of basic assured extinction for the planet.
And so for me, it's like it is time to
engage in nonlinear, more circular, more magical practices if we
want to have a shot of creating Heaven on Earth.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Now, I know this question might sound a little weird,
but I think it works for the conversation we've been having.
Have you ever had a sexual spiritual event, meaning that
while you were having sex, you had some sort of
awakening vision, some sort of spiritual thing that happened to
you because you were so connected to source during that

(53:37):
moment in the sexual encounter.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So many times, I mean, to me, it is the
thing that I am a borderline obsessed with is for
myself and helping other people to see their sexual energy
as a pathway to the divine And so like in
a very simple way that this happens that anyone can utilize,
anyone can practice. Is is just creating, like making it

(54:01):
a ceremony, whether you're making love to yourself or someone else,
Like creating a ritual space around it, lighting a candle,
making time, making it sacred, preparing the temple, preparing your body,
having an intention going into it, integrating afterwards, inviting in
your guides to be a part of the process. Like
that is available to all of us free of charge.

(54:23):
And so for me, like a very simple practice that
I've had happen that that people can replicate, is you know,
before you engage in any sort of a pleasure practice,
just connecting with any kind of a guide. And that
could be your future self, that could be your angel,
that could be a certain deity that you connect with,
or God or goddess or whatever anything whatever you like

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to call that which which cannot be named, right whatever
your name, which yeah, whatever is the opposite of.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
The voldemort or voldemor exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Inviting in that Like for me, it's isis. I like
to dedicate my pleasure practices to isis. But you could
do that too, even and if you wanted us to
think about the manifestation of like who is the version
of me where this dream is already done, Like the
version of me that already has her dream home, her
dream person, her dream job, Like inviting in that version

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of you, that future self, and allowing them to experience
that pleasure with you. So it's like your merging timelines
and merging realities. So that's one way that you could
do it. I would say that every time I with
my partner, like he is such an extraordinary example of
how a human being can love, and he's remarkable in

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a lot of reasons. But one, I would argue that
his devotion to the Goddess is even bigger than mine.
His devotion to the Divine Feminine is greater than mine.
And so when we make love, he is worshiping the
Divine Feminine through me, and I am the lucky recipient
of that act of worship. And so it's it's almost

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not about me because and it's almost not about him
because for both of us we are using it as
a pathway to God. And so yes, it is honoring,
and yes we have chosen each other, and yes you're
resonant in that way. But they you know, there's so
many songs where it's like, wherever two are more to get,
where whatever two or more are gathered together, God is there,

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God is present, right, and so there's that. And then
also on my retreats, so when we practice Sacred Secret,
Sacred Secret can be practiced with play, with laugh, with energy,
with breath. You don't have to be doing a self
pleasure practices. I teach this at you know, CEO conferences
with Fortune one hundred CEOs like that. You can definitely

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do a PG version of this. But on my retreats,
people are in full blown ceremony. Full pleasure practices, and
everyone is orgasming at the same time holding a vision
for themselves in the species. And that is very much
a spiritual practice. Like everyone it's you know, people are closed,
they're under blankets, lights are low. It's not an orgy,

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it's a very it's like a it feels like a ceremony.
It feels more like church actually, But people are writing
the energy, the collective energy of what's happening in the room,
and it's amplifying each other. It's like the antenna. It's bigger.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Now. I wanted to ask you, can you give the
audience any advice on how to combat the epidemic of
worthiness that we are all suffering from. So many people
are so are not connected to being worthy enough for
this or worthy enough for that, and it really just
stops their life from moving forward. So can you give

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them any advice?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yes? What an amazing question. So one meditation. There's been
nothing else that I have found that has increased my worthiness,
that has increased what I call deserving power of what
I believe that I deserve. Nothing has impacted that for
me more than meditation. Because what meditation is doing is
it every day for ZeVA. Twice a day, you are

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remembering your own divinity, right like, you allow that wave
of individuality to reconnect to the ocean of totality. That
left brain is very in real time merging with the
right brain, and left brain is in charge of individuality,
right brain is in charge of totality. So every day,
twice a day, we're dissolving into that. Everything this, And

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when you come back out of that, everything thiss and
you go back into your individuality, You go back into
your waking state. You feel viscerally that your desires are
not your own, that your ideas are not your own.
So who are you to judge yourself as worthy or not?
It's actually nature moving through you. And interestingly, when you

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flood your brain and body with dopamine and serotonin, which
is allowing you to feel fulfilled, it's allowing you to
fill up from the very source. It changes your relationship
with your desires, because if you're not meditating every day,
then your desires are going to be coming from lack,
They're going to be coming from neediness. And that's an addiction.
Right If you're trying to fill an internal hole with

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an external thing, no matter what that thing is that
is an addiction. And because meditation is going to allow
you to fill up from the source, to access bliss
internally and the only place that it can be found
in the only time which it can be found, which
is now, and yet you still have the desires. So
meditation is basically going to whole sale change your relationship

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with desire from one of I am neediness looking to
be fulfilled, right, and then if you don't feel worthy
of that, then you're going to block the desires, which
is different from Oh, I already meditated today, already flooded
my brain and body with dopamine and serotonin, already filled
myself up from the source. I already have everything I need,

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and I still want to sleep with that guy. I
already have everything that I need, and I still want
to buy that house, have everything that I need, and
I still want to start that company. Why I would
argue that your desires are an indicative where nature is
using you to go and deliver your fulfillment to the world,
not where you need to go to fill yourself up,
and that one change can increase your worthiness because you

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realize that none of it is about you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
The stadium dream that I used to have, it's now
that like sacred site activation, it's not about me. I'm
not under the illusion that I will someday be fulfilled.
Once I do a sacred secret activation at the Pyramids.
I am fulfilled right now. This is Nature using me
to go and deliver my fulfillment to the world. And
when you start to play that game, you get a
lot more worthy. Now the other pieces. To just bring
it back to another concept that we brought up is

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just like if you're in meditation and you think that
thoughts are the enemy, that those thoughts are keeping you
from your meditation practice, or if you're in a pleasure
practice and you think that the fear or the shame
or the guilt is keeping you from the pleasure. Nope,
those thoughts during meditation, those perceived obstacles in your pleasure practice,
that is the portal. So whatever is is the medicine.

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And I would say that the same is true of worthiness.
If you're going after a big goal, wherever your unworthiness
shows up, that's your syllabus, that is your portal. That
is nature teaching you where you have an opportunity to
love that thing into integration, where you have an opportunity
to love that thing into wholeness, not to deny it,

(01:01:39):
not to transcend it, not to pretend that it is
not there, but to look at it, get curious about it.
Why don't I believe I deserve this person? Oh? Because
my dad was an alcoholic and I was always having
to manage him, and so he didn't actually take care
of me. So I actually don't believe that I'm worthy
of being taken care of. Okay, Can I forgive my dad?
Can I forgive that version of me that made up

(01:01:59):
that believe Can I love? Can I hold that little
Emily so that she feels worthy, that she knows that
I have her. And then from that place of wholeness,
from that place of integration, we start to vibrate at
a higher frequency and we start to magnetize our dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Would you agree that worthiness and not having that worthiness
within yourself is one of the key blocks to spiritual growth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
No, I think that it is the spiritual growth. I
think don't feel unworthy? Is your syllabus correct?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
That's my point. It's a syllabus. Once you transcend the
understanding of worthiness like the Masters did. They understood that
they're divine. The concept of worthiness was not even a
question to them because they're like, oh, I'm just one
with God and God is one with me. So when
I manifest the loaves into the rocks into bread, that's

(01:02:58):
just the universe working through me. It's almost kind of
like rudimentary to them that they don't even that programming
is not that concept's not even in their brain. Yes,
but as we're growing and evolving spiritually, worthiness is a
huge deal because worthiness in I'm not worthy to have
such a deep meditation, I'm not worthy ofess to have
great sex, I'm not worthy to have that kind of money.

(01:03:19):
All that worthiness are blocks, blocks, blocks, blocks, And you're right,
it is a syllabus on things that you've got to
deal with in order to continue your spiritual growth. Is
that's what I was trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yes, a million percent, I think we're saying the same
thing in different ways. It's like a tree is not
going to be like, well, who am I to take
out the resources? Like who am I to take up
this sunlight? Who am I to take up this water?
The tree understands that there's infinite light, there is infinite water,
and that actually it's like I need to deepen my
root structure. I need to spread my leaves so that

(01:03:52):
I have more surface area to receive more light from
this infinitely abundant supply of light. And the same is
true of wealth. It's like the only thing that we're
unworthy if we're coming to that from a place of
ego or identity or separateness. Right, But when we start
to understand ourselves as more divine, then the game gets
more fun. But I would argue that it's not about

(01:04:14):
thinking that you're just God, right, It's yes, we're both
human and divine, Like nature gave us fifty to fifty
for a reason. Like you look at a human brain
and it splits right down the middle. And I don't
think that nature makes mistakes. I think that it's fifty
percent individuality and fifty percent totality on purpose so that
we can stay in this cosmic sea cells that we

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can stay in this cosmic bicycle ride of yes, facing
our limitations and facing our unworthiness, and facing our shame
and our trauma and seeing that as holy too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. I
ask all of my guests, what is your definition of
living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Mmmm? Fulfilling myself from this source, tapping into the source
of fulfillment inside of me. If you have any about
bring that fulfillment to the earth.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Now. If you had a chance to go back in
time to speak to little Emily, what advice would you
give her? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Man, It's like all I do right now. It's my
full time job is going back and talking to little Emily.
But I think I would tell her you are safe,
you are loved, you are perfect exactly as you are,
and I'm going to love you even more tomorrow. And
your life is going to far exceed your wildest imagination.

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It's going to be more fun, more exciting than you
even thought to pray for.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
How do you define God or source?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Mmm? This one's easy. I define God as the collective
consciousness of all that is, the collective consciousness of all
that is?

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
What is love?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Mm Ooh. Love is both the animating force that allows
us to be alive and it is the erotic magnetism
that keeps us in the dance with each other and
ourselves and the divine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
What is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
To have a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
And what does world peace look like to you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Hmm? It looks like all eight billion people waking up
in the morning, plugging themselves into source through meditation, All
eight billion people believing that they are worthy of love
and pleasure, flooding their own brains and bodies not only
with dopamine and serotonin, but also with oxytocin and of

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truly seeing the divine inside of themselves and inside of
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Now, where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, so everything can be found at ZeVA Meditation dot com,
which is zi Via meditation dot com. And if people
want to go deeper on the neuroscience of specifically the
ZeVA techniques, I know we started with that, but if
people like I want to you know, I want to
increase my worthiness, I want to increase my pleasure at
great places. I have a free masterclass and they can

(01:07:11):
find that at zebameditation dot com, slash podcast. I'm also
all over social media at Zeba Meditation and my new podcast,
which I'm so proud of. I mean, you know how
much love goes into making these shows. But my show
is called why isn't everyone doing this? And you can
find it anywhere you podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Great title, well the way for a podcast? Great great title,
isn't it great?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
It's like, wait, why isn't everyone meditating? Why isn't everyone
using their pleasure to pray?

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Now? Do you have any party messages for the audience? Yeah,
just that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
If any part of this conversation felt a little edgy
or a little triggering, and even the fact that we
talked about pleasure at all, I just invite you to
get curious about that and to see if you could
love that piece, love that resistance, see what that resistance
wants you to know, get curious about when that resistance
first got installed inside of you, and then ask the

(01:08:04):
question like, whose belief is this? Is this mine? And
if it's yours, then great, own it, celebrate it, turn
this podcast off, you know, like, never listen to another
thing that I have to offer. But if the belief
is not yours, then can we get even more curious
about what do I believe? Do I believe that my
pleasure is holy? Do I believe that nature intended for
me to feel good? Do I believe that nature actually

(01:08:26):
installed these chemicals inside of me? And just getting really
curious and loving, loving the resistance.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Emily, I want to thank you so much for coming
on the show today, and I appreciate everything you're doing
to help awaken the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
So I appreciate you my pleasure. Thank you for having me.
What a rich conversation. You're such a good interviewer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Thank you. I want to thank Emily so much for
coming on the show and sharing her knowledge with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
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