Bernard Haisch is an astrophysicist and the author of over 130 scientific publications. After earning his PhD from the University of Wisconsin in Madison, Haisch did postdoctoral research at the Joint Institute for Laboratory Astrophysics, the University of Colorado at Boulder, and the University of Utrecht, the Netherlands. His professional positions include staff scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory; deputy director of the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley; and visiting scientist at the Max-Planck-Institut für Extraterrestrische Physik in Garching, Germany. He was a scientific editor of the Astrophysical Journal for ten years. Prior to his career in astrophysics, he was a student for the Catholic priesthood.
Marsha Sims has a multi-disciplinary background and years of experience interfacing with business, supporting scientists and their projects, and immersing herself in the music world. She has a music degree from the University of California, Santa Barbara, and a masters degree from Notre Dame de Namur University. She has served as administrator and department secretary at Lockheed Martin Palo Alto Research Laboratory; executive editor at the Journal of Scientific Exploration; administrator at California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics. She is a music teacher of voice, piano, and guitar at her own company and sings opera since 2009.
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Marsha Sims has a multi-disciplinary background and years of experience interfacing with business, supporting scientists and their projects, and immersing herself in the music world. She has a music degree from the University of California, Santa Barbara, and a masters degree from Notre Dame de Namur University. She has served as administrator and department secretary at Lockheed Martin Palo Alto Research Laboratory; executive editor at the Journal of Scientific Exploration; administrator at California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics. She is a music teacher of voice, piano, and guitar at her own company and sings opera since 2009.
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podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we have Marcia Simms and Bernard Hesh. Now,
Bernard is an astrophysicist from Berkeley, and he has proof
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of the cosmic hologram that we are all living in
the matrix, if you will. The simulation and the conversation
we have is profound, to say the least. I like
to welcome to the show, Marshall Sims and Bernard Heisch.
How you guys doing great?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Glad to be here with you, Alex.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm excited to talk to you guys today because I
haven't had I've had many quantum physics physicists on, physicists on,
but I know how any astrophysicists on before, and it's
a different perspective on the universe an astrophysicist as generally speaking.
So my very first question to you is how do
you balance the imperial evidence with faith or belief in
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your professional and personal lives.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Some of this from about right looking at the the
rules of science of physics or astrophysics and seeing how
how they get together. They fit together, or is there
some major problem. I think it's possible to have these
two disciplines, some potentiously in hand, and both of them
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preparing rules for the universe that are consistent with religion.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, you know, I think it might be important to
go back to how did Bernie get interested in God
and astrophysics? And he answers your question about how he
balances it. So Ever, since he was a little boy,
he always felt very spiritual and he follow a strong
connection to God. He was raised Catholic, and he's study
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to be a Catholic priest. And he used to line
all of his stuffed animals up on a bed in
his bedroom and feed them communion, and he got quite
a charge out of that. It made him feel this reward,
like he was connecting to God. So he did study
to be a Catholic priest. But he always had an
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interest in the stars. Always just if you look up
at the night sky, be amazed at the wonder of
the universe, and so astrophysics became more prominent, more important
to him, and he also wanted to be able to
have relationships with the female sex. So yeah, when you're
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a priest, you know, you know, you have to kind
of be secluded. And so he decided to study astrophysics
at the Universe Indiana University in Bloomingdale, Bloomington. Bloomingdale's is
a department store First Star in Bloomington. And let's see,
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I do want to add that he had this faith
from being a child and a lot of times it's
something you have to have an intuition on because it
has to go on how you feel. But logically, as
an astrophysicist, he was taught to think like a scientist.
And the National Academy Science and states that science is
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measuring things in the physical world. You know, everything to
do with the physical world, analysis, measuring, doing experiments, testing it,
making theories. So he's really good at doing all that.
But the National Academy of Sciences says that science has
nothing to do with religion or spirituality because that's something
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you can't measure, and you can't measure God. Really, you
can into it that there's a God. It's like, how
do you know if somebody loves you? You can't there's
no love meter that you could place on.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That person other than at the carnivals. Other than at
the carnivals, there's those love meters for like twenty five cents.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But yes, I take a judge on the response you
get right right now. If person loves you, they'll go
out of their way to do really nice things for you.
They'll be compassionate, they'll be generous, they'll be sweet and kind.
And so that's how God is to us. You know,
Bernie has gotten many answers to prayer with God, and
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he always felt that intuition when he was serving communion
to his stuffed animals. Well, how else are you want
to balance at Bernie?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, balance is kind of something that's in the smoke,
because this is something that's written for people from basically
two two walks of life. One is the side where
there's no religion, Hell or colerade or or in any way.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
From People are fearful about Hell, they're fearful about God's power. Yeah,
and they follow dogma and sets the rules that their
their faith or their religions. That's out for them, right then, Yeah, right,
but science doesn't have anything to do with that. No,
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it's possible to be a scientist and to be spiritual.
You have to be open enough to see the spiritual site.
I think that's how he balances it. Really, he's open.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But it's very interesting too, because again I've spoken to
so many physicists who come on the show in different
fields of physics, and they, you know, the ones that
come on this show generally have an open mind to
spirituality as a general statement, but most in the general
space don't really talk about spirituality. Though more and more,
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i'd say now than ever before, are coming up publicly
talking about consciousness, talking about quantum physics. Is really starting
to open a bunch of doors into this space, and
there's not as much fear. Don't get me wrong, there's
still very a lot of fear about people coming out
of the spiritual closet and physics, but it seems to
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be a lot more open. Would you guys agree with that?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I agree with that. Yeah. It's it's time for there
to be a choice that can be made perfectly neutral
about religion. The choice have been made between following down
the road of the strict and certain mechanical explanations of things,
and they're right way when Fine California, especially the religious.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Uh well, spiritual not religious. We we actually we don't
have the same definition of our religion as we do spirituality,
because religion is a set of rules that are set
by whatever church anyone's affiliated with our specific interpretations of
the Bible. And we're talking more about being attuned to
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the cosmic consciousness that we co create the universe with.
We are sparks of God, and so we, as sparks
of God, co create our reality, the cosmic. And by
the way, I want to just say that when we
use the term God, we are actually referring to an
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entity or a consciousness that has no sex. We may
say he or she, but God is not a he.
He's not a she. He's not a human form. He's
not anything that we could actually imagine as human beings.
People like to anthrow for more for morphies God. I mean,
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we do not see God as a desert patriarch sitting
in a throne with a staff and angels floating around
him and continuously praising him on clouds of light and joy. No,
God is the cosmic consciousness. He's a force, the great
great force.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, let me ask you this. Let's take it back
all the way to the beginning, the Big Bang? Right,
what is the implications of the Big Bang through the
lens of spirituality? Because I always had the only problem
I've always had with the Big Bang is I get it.
It makes all the sense in the world. But what
was around before the Big Bang?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And that was always my questions ask question, you're right,
a old question, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, And that's the fact. One of the things that
motivated the book that I wanted to have a balanced
perspective that could, you know, to show the ability of
the science and spirituality to live side by side and
perhaps even to get one aside to learn from the other.
That's my primary motivation and writing the book.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 2 (10:56):
So we take it back to the very very root
of existence, and so Bernie and I did a lot
of research on this and what we have found, at
least this is our current model. And we use a model.
By the way, we never say we have all the answers.
Because he's a scientist, he has to have models, you know.
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And as you proceed towards understanding your model or proving it,
you develop theories about it. So we're always in the
process of gathering information. But we came upon the idea
of the iron soft, which is the vast nothingness that's
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described in the Kabbala, the Jewish Kabbala, the mystical Kabala.
So we believe at this point that the great cosmic
consciousness of God fell out of the iron soft and
just existed as a while as an awareness of course power.
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And this existence got very lonely, all being all by
itself because all there was for its companion was the
iron soft, and that doesn't really do anything for.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You, right, So.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
God decided, I need to have experiences. I need to
have companions. So God created this force we think the
zero point field, which is a very vast electromagnetic field
that's been around since the beginning of the universe. And
we can tell you more about that later. He has
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some ideas for how to tap it. But anyway, this
zero point energy, he used it to create the Big Bang.
And so the Big Bang started as an infinitesimal, tiny,
tiny little point that had so much pressure. Stop me
if I'm not explaining, okay, And it just exploded, and
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the zero point energy was there with it, and this
huge explosion created the universe. All the best galaxies, star systems,
planets and things evolve from that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
No, it's not really an explosion because that implies that
this happened inside an ordinary space in coortin mentional geometry,
and that is now becoming a big question in cosmology
among those who are experts in the zero pont field
to try to get some understanding of what there was
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before time. I mean, you can't have you can't have
something happening before or after. You don't have it after
or before. It is this impossible to try to understand
something in our notion of the what space time is
to come up with a model, and no one knows
how to do this because we're trying to get a
model of nothing. And if we go back off and say, well, okay,
(13:59):
let's go back an even further with the idea of nothing,
then what what made nothing happen?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, that's why we got to the saw, because that
was all we could.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Find, regress, internet regress, and that's what the well, I
guess it was the scientific problem. I say it's metaphysical,
but I think primarily it's a problem of understanding something
that's more complicated than our three dimensional three plus one
dimensional space and h somehow the the the zero point
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field had to come out of that. But how could it?
Because you can't make something happen if there's nothing to
deploy along our time and to make things happen, and
we just have no ideas. What's at this point? I
think of what kind of thing time is like. If
it changes its character for what it is in our
organized space to something deeper and more profound, that's big.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's a big, huge subject it is. That's a good time.
I mean as a human being, time is passage of event,
how the day changes, you know, the sun rotating, I
mean the Earth rotating around the sun. And yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But then time and space is interesting because with quantum entanglement,
it is kind of put materialism unnotice if you will,
in many ways because it just defies time and space.
And I've spoken to many spiritual masters, I've spoken to
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a lot of near death experiences, and the way that
there is no time or space on the other side
according to them, because everything is instant, you think it,
you're there, and quantum entanglement is kind of a almost
like a little bit of a spark, if you will,
if I can use that word of what it is like.
On the other side, can you explain quantum entanglement a
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little bit to people? Do they really understand what it
is and how it's kind of thrown a lot of
things upside down.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You can in the laboratory set up in a situation
where you have maybe back to electrons or photons, and
there are different things, but they follow some similar to
the laws. And what you can do is to take
one pair of these, uh, these particles and in some
way you haven't interact with each other in the laboratory,
and you shoot shoot one off to where they go.
(16:22):
And the entailment interpretation shows that the the two the
two you know, electrons or photons or whatever you're using, uh,
they they have the same some certain same certain same
properties that will for the rest of the age of
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the universe. And unless something comes to law and and and.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, I guess, Bertie, why don't I talk about the
double slit experiment because that shows quantum entanglement. It's a
really famous experiment. By way, He's the one that did
the first experiment.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
People are.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Opposed it, okay, Well, the double slit experiment is one
of the most bizarre experiments in physics and it cuts
to the heart of the weirdness of quantum mechanics. So
this experiment is done in a lap with a laser
and a screen that has two narrow slits in it.
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The laser beam has to be wide enough to shine
on both slits. When you cover up one of the slits,
as the light from the laser passes to the open slit,
a pattern will appear on the wall behind it. This
pattern is due to the spreading out of light, a
process called diffraction in this case specifically single slit diffraction.
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But if you uncover the second slit, the light going
through the open slit will still undergo diffraction. But in addition,
the light beams traveling through the two slits will interfere
with each other. Did I say that right?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, they're tied together. And the theories it says that
they're tied together for whoever age you want in the universe,
because there is that they are connected to each other
even though you can't connect them in any way. That
it's like a physical notion. It's the entangled. They support
each other in very a mysterious kind of way that
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quantum mechanics has to be used to but doesn't have
any crew has to what is happening.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Still, it shows how the photons are connected to each
other in quantam entanglement.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
If you're two photons away from each other, then the
photons are getting tangled, or you can do electrons as well,
or other other more massive particles. I assume I've not
seen much about that.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So the conventional explanation is that each photon somehow knows
that even though it goes through slit A R B,
it is also in the same in the open position,
and vice versa. The wave is a wave of probability.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So it's kind of yeah, so it's kind of like
when two twins are across the world from each other
and one gets burned and the other one feels it right,
you got it up. It's it's it's it's unexplainable. But
there has been a lot, I mean, there's just been
so much proof and about these kind of things that
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have happened throughout history, like the twin thing. I mean,
anyone who's ever been a twin understands that that you
feel it, or even a mother and a child you
feel like, oh, something's happened to my kid, and they
just get this instinct that just pops in the second
it happens. That's not quantifiable in materialism or in time
and space, but there's something going on there. And I
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think we've all experienced it at one point or another.
And we can use the example of a phone call
that the phone rings and you know who it is
before you pick they pick you pick it up. There's
some sort of weird connection that's in the quantum field
or the would you call it the magnetic field that
you were speaking of?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Electromagnetic field? Is zero point energy?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Is that kind of like a quantum field?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is it verning zero point energy? It's the best electromagnetic
field energy. That's I mean, Einstein and Malox flock knew
about it. So people have known about it since the
early nineteen hundreds. It's not a new theory, and I
mean it really is acknowledged. So can we tap it?
(20:46):
So pretty it has come up with an idea, So.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
How do you tap it? How do you tap it?
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Speaker 2 (21:02):
You'll we tell you about it. Sure, I have a
little summary page that would actually help me. So it's
broadly recognized as a vast field of electromagnetic energy. It's
also known as the quantum vacuum field. This field represents
the underlying energy that is everywhere in the universe, even
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where there is nothing but vacuum. It's composed of every
frequency or wavelength that exists. Some are short and others
are long. It's perfectly random. It's an infinite source of energy.
And Bernie and our company Jovian jov io n dot com,
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if everyone wants to look us up, has come up
with a way that we believe could provide humanity with
an endless supply of totally clean energy without violating the
second law of thermodynamics. Our process has nothing to do
with heat, is electromagnetic. So there's a Casimir force that
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happens between two parallel metal plates that are pushed together
by an overpressure of the zpe from the outside of
the plates. And the reason is because if the plates
are really really close together, the longer waves of the
zpe cannot get into the plate, can't pass through, so
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it becomes, you know, like a little vacuum inside and
this is called the Kasimir force, and it happens down
at the nano level, So it's very very tiny place
and it can be We believe the ZPF can be
manipulated through use of nanosized Kasimir cavities by squeezing out
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photon energy. Electronic orbitals of an atom spiral down inside
the cavity and photons are emitted. Our process then sends
the photons through a photo voltaic cell and electricity will
be generated. So in this way it would be captured
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in a device we would call the Casimir generator or
the CG, and it's portable. You can use it for
driving cars, for hospitals, kitchens, whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, and so much more more friendly to the environment
then the FAG energy would be, because here you're really
really taking nothing out of the energy of the universe
except doing that in the interview of the universe through
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your experiment.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So the air that passes through the Kazimir cavity as
it goes back out to the main area, it's replenished,
so we're not using up any resources.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The situation is that we apply for a patent on
this device, and we actually got a pat on it
some years ago, and I was quite reality to get that,
but then came the awkward requirement to go find some money. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Prototype. We've had several experiments that had some very promising results,
but we haven't had the funds to get the proper
kind of Cazemiric cavity. We need to research and get
more information to create a prototype.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So that's well, that sounds fascinating. Is this is this
technology that you guys are talking about. Did Tesla touch
upon any of this or is that a completely different
way that he was trying to do kind of like
this free energy.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Describing why we described Also they had other things mind
that were sometimes you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So broadcasting electricity. Yeah, yeah, this is not like that. Okay,
is on you know, portable on location wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I would I would hesitate some credibility to.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Brilliant. He was a genius.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, without yeah, without question. And we they're
still trying to figure out a lot of the stuff
that he was talking about back a.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Better of our alternating current which the world works on.
So he deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, So what you're saying in regards to this,
this for this, uh, this field that we're tapping into.
As you were describing it, it sounds very much like
the force from Star Wars. It is around us, it's
all around us. You can manipulate it, and then just
kind of it sounded very force like in that sense.
Maybe you don't need to be a Jedi, but I'm
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just using using that as an example.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Right this, I'm sure I think there's a lot of
truth to the forest.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Actually absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean, but.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Bernie, this was something that certainly could across the neara
Testa's desk and he would be very comfortable with this.
And the thing is that the energy inherent in this
field is literally infinite, and so even pick out the
pieces of it that are at wavelengths that are not
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going to be made the belligerent because most weapons are
most most experiments and theories wind up somehow or the
supporting weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, cannot be used for weapons.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
This intrinsic y can not be used for for any
weapon because you pick out certain frequencies in the field
and strapped them. Correct, But if you're not going to
extract a whole bunch of other stuff which could become explosive,
you know, as in the Uh, it's hydrogen bound. So
this seems to be a benevolent usage of the zero
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point field that couldn't couldn't be turned into weapons by anybody,
anybody know, no matter how money is thrown at it.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, is it? And you say you use the word frequency,
And I think that's a very interesting word to use
because on a spiritual standpoint, frequency is spoken about so
much that you have to change your vibration. The lower
the frequency, Uh, the soul is is at a lower frequency,
so it attracts certain things to it. The higher the frequency, Uh,
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you could feel that energy. Do you believe that the
universe is just essentially frequency? That frequency is fundamental? Fundamental?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, always think the universe is consciousness?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Really yes?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But is that?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But is that consciousness a frequency?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's the question frequency without without something to to frequent
as an undefinable right, you can make anything. I have
very frequency guitar. Guitar is actually example. The frequencies are
the lariest north you find in the scale. So the
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frequency has to be defined in terms of what it is.
It's it's frequenting.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
At this point, I would just like to let everyone
know that Bernie has Parkinson's so if he's slow speaking,
it's because of his illness. He's doing an amazing job.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yes, he's us in doing this book.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
By the way, this is his fourth book. That's yeah.
Well I helped him write this book because it's hard
for him to type, and I actually put a lot
of my own ideas into it too.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So very good. No, I appreciate I appreciate you letting
letting everybody know that I was going to let them
know as well. It's very courageous what you're doing, Bernard
about with these interviews and getting this information out into
the world. And that's what I'm trying to do with
the show, as well as to have these conversations reach
a mass audience as much as we possibly can. Now,
I wanted to ask you this is one of my
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favorite topics. I'd love to hear your point of view
on it. Simulation theory, the idea that we are in
a conscious simulation, very much matrix like from the movie
The Matrix. I don't believe there were in the side
of a computer somewhere and there's some teenage alien playing
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us as a simulation. I don't believe that. But the
concept of maya from the Vedic text, or the dream
from the Aborigines, or so many other things. The concept
of the illusion that we are all part of has
been around for thousands of years, and now physics is
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starting to catch up to this idea of quantum physics
is starting to catch up. I'd love to hear your
point of view on it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, I guess the central point of our look not
an proposal, but a suggestion and a model. It's a
model of reality that addies to all living things and
old planets and us and so on. And this assumes
that there is what God would do. This ideal like
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God is attractive to as march as that create companions
of the sort, but mainly to exercise his own abilities
by creating what he what he imagines. And that would
be a lot more fun to create what you imagine
than doing this the hard work of imagining. I'm creating it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 3 (30:48):
So think about think of God wanting for some crazy
reason to go ski down the mountain. Okay, wants to
go skiing? Well, can you do that as God?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I can't, because even God can't make can't make the
ski boots or ski or skis that would suit or
accommodate the principles. So if he went through skiing one day,
oh yes, to do is create uh ski resort and
ski apparel, and he seen what he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Two human beings. He experiences through the human beings and skiing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Right, and then the importance of this thing that has
been done is that he will understand what can be
done with the laws of physics that he has created.
And that's the in fact, the whole purpose of it,
because if Good did not have some outside reference to
work against and compare his understanding to other people, then
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there would be no fun in the skiing down the mountain.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And in other words, God wanted to create a universe
full of interesting stuff, so you play and learn and grow,
and you know, you have to experience and he couldn't
experience his the consciousness that he can experience through us
and all the animals on the planet and you know,
other living beings.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What fun is the diplot monopoly?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know you have no gay mates, right, Yeah, So
we're proposing that God imagines all of that cosmic reality
the universe by organizing his thoughts into computer like algorithms
that run in his mind. This requires unbelievable bandwidth in
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data storage, but it solves one of the greatest mysteries
of all time. So God is a mathematician, and if
you look at the world around us, math is apparent
in every aspect, especially in physics and science. You know,
even in music and art. Yeah, art full of mathematics.
(32:54):
Oh yeah, the Golden mean and art in music. Well,
so music is based on math, really, I mean every
the distance between every octave. Bach made sure he measured
it out correctly. Johann Sebastian Bach, the father of modern music,
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created each half step to be the square root of two,
twelfth twelve root of two. That square twelfth root of two. Yeah,
and then we need so And by doing that, every
instrument could play together in an orchestra or a band
because they would all be in tune with each other.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Are we hearing each other?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Go?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely the question. I've been using that concept
of the algorithm, God's algorithm for a while now. First
I've heard that's that used it as well, because I
always it was because I've been using it as an
example because people are like, well, if we have free will,
then you know, how can we have predestinies and all
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this kind of stuff, Like you know, we're down here
to go down certain predestined paths, but if you have
free will, how is that possible? And I was like, well,
it seems to me that we're God's algorithm because an
algorithm has a direction, but it kind of does what
it wants, and it could figure things out in ways
that we the creator of the algorithm didn't see coming.
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So it would learn. It's AI essentially it's learning and growing,
but it's going on its own direction. So the algorithm
has free will within a box of parameters that it's said,
and so it sounds very similar to what we are
down here, and if and this is just the one planet,
let's not even talk about billions and billions of other
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planets in the universe. God knows what's sitting around other
algorithms that are being flo that are being tested around
the universe as well, which is very very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, that's God has motive and you can figure out
person were sitting here and how many given ideas that
basically explain on what God's motivation is. This that's that's
hypollutant thinking. You know, uh, and if we're right, we've
got something that should appeal to a lot more people
than the you know, the materialistic versions of God on
one side and they they I don't believe in God
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on ah the other side. I think we've offered a good,
uh starting point or a reasonable middle that is not
only going through I think we impatible with materialism and
uh psychism, but it's going to be a learning tool
even for God himself to learn how, how, how or
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what he is and what he can be done, which
is infinite.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, no, I was going to say, it's like when
when you're when you were a kid and you're playing
with your barbies or you're playing with your g I
Joe's you as the creator, the god of of that
environment that you've created. You have characters and you have
a pretest and way that you're fighting with them or
telling a little story or things like that, but you
as the creator, understand where the story is going because
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you're creating the story as we go along. But as
an algorithm, it's kind of like throwing a gi Jo
and a Barbie together and like, let's see what happens.
And that's a much more exciting story because you really
truly don't know which way it's going to go. So
the idea of us being the algorithm of God makes
so much more sense than there's this big puppeteer just
because that's boring. It's just a boring story. It's a
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boring way of looking at what we do here. So
this free will thing is really fundamental to this entire
cosmic algorithm algorithm simulation that we're all kind of sitting in.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Definitely. Yeah, I have an interesting quote I was going to.
Brian Whitworth, a professor of information processing and technology and
New Zealand, puts it all this way. One of the
mysteries of our world is how every photon of light,
every electron and quirk, and indeed every point of space
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itself seems to just know what to do with each moment.
The mystery is that these tiniest parts of the universe
have no mechanisms or structures for which to make such decisions.
Only God the algorithm could make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You know, I was thinking the other day, I don't
know if you guys have animals or not, or I
have had animals in your life. But I was looking
at my cats that have a couple of cats, and
I was looking at them, and they're pre the way
they react to us as a family. They're kind of
like small algorithms with sets of rules. Cats will be cats,
cats will not be A dog won't be a giraffe.
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It has its pre built algorithm of how it reacts
to us. And I was just looking at them, like, well,
if that's the case, then a tree has its own algorithm.
A tiger has its own algorithm. You know, a bear
has its own algorithm in the sense of the way
it interacts with us. That's why I always get upset
when people are like, oh, that tiger went crazy. No,
the tiger went tiger.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You got in its way, It didn't get in your way.
Kind of situation. But it again goes along with this
idea of this algorithm that everything, every blade of grass,
every bird that's flying, it has its own pre built
programming or way that it interacts with this environment. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think you put it really well perfect. So an algorithm,
the dog algorithm, the turtle algorithms have I had a
turtle for a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh yeah, as they do ten. Their algorithm lives a
long time if you feed them right. But there's all
these sets of rules and even something as you know,
something as simple as a blade of grass is conscious.
It's not the level of consciousness that you and I
might have. But when the sun comes out, it angles
itself to get the sun, you know. And there were
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some amazing experiments. I saw, I saw. I forgot who
was doing it, but they were seeing how conscious a
plant was, and they would they would plant a seed
and they would see where the roots would go, and
they would put an empty dish and a dish with
water underneath the soil to see where it would go.
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And it would automatically go toward every time to where
the water was. It just instinctively new, it's programming new
it needed to get water. Then they actually played the
sound of water to see if it would do it,
and it went after the sound of water as well.
I mean, it's just really fascinating these ideas of what
is conscious and what is not conscious in the world today.
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What do you think about that experiment?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Well, I think it's a good one. And there are
other experiments that the class in general have some sort
of high.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And well I have to tell you. When I was
getting my teaching credential at the University of California at
Center Barbara, we as student teachers, conducted an experiment in
a room. We grew plants to step different kinds of
music to see how they would respond. So we had
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a section that listened to classical music, and those plants
boots tall and straight and flourished. Then we had the
plants that were listening to rock music, and they got
a little bit jaggedy, a little twisted, and musa musak.
(40:50):
It was soothing to the plants, but they didn't grow
as tall and straight as the classical music. Isn't that interesting.
That's the classical music is very mathemat and I was
talking about that earlier when I was talking about the
mathematical nature of music. And I mean when you think
about the rhythm notations, the quarter notes, eighth notes, half notes,
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and time signatures, I mean, it's all based on math.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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Speaker 2 (41:30):
And I think this is one of the things I
wonder about music. Whether God uses music as his mathematical
expression or algorithm through sound. Is it possible that music
is mathematical because the universe was designed by a pure mathematician.
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It has the greatest influence on us of anything abstract
in the world, and it undergirds all of society. You know,
it's impossible to get away from music. Com Yeah, it's everywhere.
It's all pervasive, from classical music. I mean, I have
to say I'm a little bit font more biased towards
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classical music because I'm a music teacher and opera singer.
But I still like pop, I still like rock. I
like DJ music, you know, And you can experience God
through music in church if you go to a church service.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Well, you know, well, you know what's really interesting. I
come from filmmaking. I've been a filmmaker for many years
and I've I've worked in Hollywood, and story is also
something that's everywhere. You can't get away from story.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Absolutely every aspect of our life, even from like this
is what just happened to me when I walk down
the street. We constantly are telling each other stories. But
the classic stories that have stood the test of time
are mathematical in the beats of when certain things have
to happen in the story that the Joseph Campbell put
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at the hero's journey. That's why a story like Star
Wars hits these beats so perfectly. And then you start
analyzing all old films and you just go, oh, there's
the beat. There's the beat. There's the beat. There's a beat.
It is absolutely mathematical and art. I mean, just look
at the mona Lisa, you look at a ango or
and you can start breaking down the mathematics of art. Well,
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it doesn't seem like it is, but it's there, always
underlining behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh yeah. But I'm also a graphic artist, and every
time I start a project, like if I'm doing a
flyer for my opera company. I'm on a board of
an opera company called Forresvio Opera. It's in San Francisco
Bay area, and I have to measure everything out, like
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what size do I want the card? What are the
margins going to be? Like how big is this logo
supposed to be? How what font size? What font type?
You know, how going to fit into this little space?
How are you going to balance everything out? I mean,
it's all mathematics and to the eye, right.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And that's the thing, isn't it interesting? Though, like when
you look at when you look at something that's off balance.
As a graphic designer, because I've been doing graphic design
for many years as well, you can't if you're a
layman and doesn't understand graphic design and you look at something,
you'll just go that doesn't feel right. But then you
move like, oh, let's just move it over to the left. Okay,
that feels better. It's fascinating. It's fascinating to see, Like
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you know, we as graphic designers, you can kind of
see what's going on behind the scenes because we have
the theory and understanding of it and also just our
instinctual eye that we've developed over years and years of
working in that space. But when something's off, the layman
or the man on the man or woman on the
street won't know what it is wrong, but they can tell.
(44:55):
Same thing with music, same thing with story, same thing
with movies, same thing with art. They could just sense
something is off. That's why when anything veers from the
standard story structure that has been around for thousands and
thousands of years, people mass people generally don't like it.
That's why every big blockbuster runs through that same structure
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and many versions of it, but still runs through that
structure and when it's off, when you watch a Fellini film,
it's very different than when you watch Titanic. Oh yeah,
the beats are slightly different, or David Lynchfield for that matter.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
They're all good, but they all have.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
A different, different, different thing. It's very interesting. Now. I
wanted to ask you, guys, what from an astrophysics standpoint,
can astrophysics inform the concept of reincarnation or rebirth.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Well, I don't think that thing out of it. Astrophysics
have much robus here, but in fact I believe in, uh,
the incarnation. I think it's essential to carry out God
carry out its plans. You see, if you if you
want to have a wish life, you want to be
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able to live it according to your own free will.
And uh, that free will would not be possible if
we woke up on more and and said, oh, gee,
that's reincarnate now, and so it would be worthless to
live in life and that kind of that kind of
reward system, because you would know what if you've done
before and do differently, and and it would hinder your
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abilities to operate as an independent, independent, powerful human being. Well,
it's that that I see as the biggest asset of reincarnations,
that you can live multiple lives and that they have
a purpose. And that purpose is if you can to
live better and better lives.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
If you go through them, you know, with and you
can make up for mistakes that you made before you
get other chances. Right, it's not like a one time
thing and wow, oh I blew it. I guess I'm
going to hell.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Right right. But the thing is that the key to
that is that we forget that we're not informed about
those other lives or why we're even here. Is the
discovery aspect, because according to spirituatural spiritual mattress I've spoken
to and near death experiences, is that there is a
plan that we come down here with, but we don't
know the plan. We have to kind of discover it,
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and sometimes we have the free will to go off
off course and completely missed the point.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know what we know? I mean, at least I
can speak for myself, all right. I know when a
certain something happens in my life, you know, a certain episode.
I know what I'm supposed to do. I can see
two choices. I can see Yeah, well, if I follow
it through on this. It's going to be kind of tough,
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but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to do it, because
the alternative is to go and do something else, for instance,
writing this book. So Bernie has been working on it.
He worked on it for about five years, but you know,
because he got Parkinson's, he was having problems completing it,
and you know, he was kind of hinting that he
needed help, but he didn't actually ask for it, except
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one day he said, Okay, Marcia, I really wanted to
finish this book. By the way, we're a husband and wife, Teama,
I should say we've been together for thirty six years,
so I know him really well. But he asked me
for help, and he said, if you help me, you
can put your name on the book alongside mine. And
that made all the difference in the world. And then
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I knew. I mean, I spent several months helping him
clean this book up, organize it, edit it, whatever. But
I knew that was one of my purposes here. It
was to help him write this book. And I think
it's his most powerful book. Really, should I mentioned the title,
of course, Yeah, she's a miracle of our universe.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you though,
this book, it is coming out, it is available now
in this time period, it right, So would this book
have even been accepted thirty years ago?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Probably not right?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I mean, I mean Bernard would have been laughed out,
probably laughed out of the field at that point in time.
Is that is that fair?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, that's fair. That's a possibility. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I'm stating that because it just seems that everything is
just shifting so much that these ideas are being more
and more widely accepted by people. I mean, I don't
remember a time where, you know, someone like me is
sitting down with an astrophysicist or a quantum physicists and
talking deep you know, physics kind of conversations mixed in
with spirituality. This really didn't exist ten years ago, twenty
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years ago in a mass way, But now there shows
talking about it all the time. So I think it's
do you believe that it is the time for this
information to start hitting the masses.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I have time for that, and also it's time for.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It's a new view of consciousness, God, science and reality,
which is what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Evolution is that I think it's also something that might
be might be proven within the year or so as
we now have we have a huge number of aerial
phenomena that have been observed several years. That probably pretty
good because I think it's uh, it's really deeply involved
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or we are deeply involved with that as a way
to have our civilization go through a phase transition from
from we have now to something much different.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So I all the observations of the UFOs or UAP.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, really jazz by that because I think that it
comes out as that respective will it's going to upset
the world.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
And we'll be right back after a word from our
sponsor and now back to the show. Absolutely, and I
think we have to kind of be I think we
have as a as a species, have to get to
a certain consciousness to even accept this idea without us
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completely losing our minds. And I think that we have
been growing in consciousness. Humanity's consciousness has been evolving I think,
I think a very fast rate over the last ten years.
I mean, because what the strides have been made in
these kind of conversations in the last ten years probably
are more than they were made in the last hundred prior.
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I mean, it's just very fast, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
As horrible as the pandemic was, it gave us all
time to have our own personal internal space and dialogue,
which we often don't get because we're so busy with
things and you know, our lives. But during the pandemic,
that probably was a turning point for our race. You know,
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we decided to get more spiritual. We started meditating because
we had time to meditate.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah. I mean, if you would have told me the
entire world shut down for six weeks, I mean to
the point where the dolphins came back to Venice, I
mean to the canals of Venice, like literally, after like
a few weeks they were coming back into the city,
I would have said, dur insane. That sounds like a
science fiction movie. But in our lifetime, the entire world
(52:45):
pretty much shut down to a certain extent for about
six weeks, and then of course it took a long
time for everybody to come back out. But you're right,
it is.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It was a very difficult time for all of us,
but in many ways, hidden blood things to given us
that time to kind of reflect on our lives. To
the point now that the West are like, no, I
don't want to work nine to five and work forty
to sixty hour weeks for forty years, and then get
a watch that doesn't exist anymore, that's gone. You know,
(53:17):
I want to work at home. I want to do this.
I want to have life work balance that didn't exist
pre pandemic. Now, guys, I want to ask you a
few questions. I ask all of my guests. Okay, what
is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Realizing my dreams is fulfilling my life. I have a
lot of dreams, things that I want to achieve. I've
actually done a lot of the things. Maybe finishing this
book is one of the biggest ones, because sharing thoughts
that I've had, intuitions I've had, you know, with the
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world for anyone who cares to read the book. You know,
we put our heart and soul into this book, so
Bernie especially, I mean I helped him shape his ideas.
So it really is kind of a synthesis of all
your ideas, wouldn't you say so? I guess fulfilling my
life is fulfilling my dreams and having a richness of
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you know, joy and happiness and love and feeling and
light whatever. What's the fulfilled life for you? Bernie?
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Well, yeah, I write it was something like a series
of books is certainly. Yeah. I feel that's accomplished something
that I came here to do and im pron of
and accomplishes a purpose. I think. So that's what to
me is life.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, he finished it. He said he always had a
dream for when he was a young boy that he
wanted to write about God and science. He did it.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
That's beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah. So he has four books. He has The God Theory,
The Purpose Guided Universe, Proof of God with Ptolemy Tompkins,
and then The Miracle of Our Universe, a New View
of Consciousness, God, Science and Reality by Bernie and myself.
We have a copy here.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, so that's that's fulfillment, all right with you?
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Alex Oh, I think I'm I think I'm doing it.
I think I'm doing it. I mean from where I
came from being a filmmaker and working with Oscar winners
and all that kind of stuff back in the day
to do a spiritual podcast, which is completely outside of
my comfort zone when I started it. Yeah, and it's
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fallen into something that is shaping and impacting millions of
people around the world. Uh, this is I feel that
I'm very fulfilled doing this kind of work.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
So it's it is really yeah to share spirituality.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Our son is also up and coming filmmaker, Breaking Taylor. Yeah,
we will.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
We will have a conversation about it after we stopped recording.
I'll tell you all about the film business. Uh. Now,
if both of if both of you had a chance
to go back in time and speak to little Marcia
and little Bernie, what advice would you give them to?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Little Marcia? Uh, be confident in myself. Uh, be confident
that I can be beautiful, that I can do great things.
I think that is one of the things that I've
learned over time, to gain confidence and then be confident
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that I have things to share with people around me.
And Uh, I'm proud, yes, a little barshit, big barshit,
of my ability to persevere. I've always been a very
persistent person. Bernie will tell you I don't give up,
even long beyond but I should. I don't. I don't
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give up. I always find workarounds. So I guess that's
one thing I would tell little Marsha too, don't give up.
Find a work around if you run into a wall.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That's supportant very important very important. Anybody.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Well, I storry to say, I have two kids, and
in terms of what they would learn from three, it's
very sorry. So you might have two of my own
and one is an adopted from the Marsha's. So what
to say to them? I guess to be true to
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themselves and try to find something that is very significated
to them and they can invest their their abilities. And
also there the yearnings for and that would be if
I if I do that in the right way, then
if I look back at that and say I have
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done in the right way, that would be fulfilling. Its
bigger run about Babel, I just yourself.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You've fulfilled your dreams, right, Yeah, he fulfilled his dreams.
I mean he still has a word to go, I'm sure,
but right now, at this point in time, he has
kept going. He has not given up.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
In fact, I would say that probably this book there
is more weight to me in terms of my thinking
of it as a healing pool and something to provide
information from mankind. I would say this is, this is
this outweighs my scientific papers. I have over one hundred
scientific papers three something, and we've got other things. In
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an astrophysics you know, I spent ten years as it's
not getting the editor for the Astrophysical Journal, so recadre
of scientists that are responsible for accepting or rejecting the
research in that field that goes on, and I was
one of ten for a year. So there are other
things besides the books and that. But it's uh, well
(59:24):
it's been a pretty good life.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, Now, how do you define God?
Speaker 2 (59:31):
God a great, constantly consciousness that creates reality and as
we said earlier, spun off the universe and the star
systems and the planets and the humans and the animals,
spun them off so that God, he she could have experiences.
(59:57):
So because we're a creation of God, we're a spark
of God. So we see it as God as a consciousness.
You could say it was a force. Consciousness is a force.
It's an awareness. Did I leave anything else that you
want to say about God?
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
The things? Probably?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Probably, yeah, but it's a higher power. And well, so
oftentimes people approach God when they're in great need, so
otherwise they are kind of oblivious. God can answer our prayers.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And so I guess this is something important I want
to say, How do you realize or how do you
know if God actually answered your prayer? And does God
answer all of our prayers? So God gives you answers
that not necessarily in the time prayer that you would like,
sometimes right away. Sometimes down the road, you could see
(01:01:10):
answers by observing the world around you. I mean, sometimes
you might get an answer from God by looking at
a road sign and the answer is right there, embedded
in the road sign message, or by looking at a
license plate, or coming out of the mouth of a friend,
or you know radio program you are listening to. But
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your prayers do get answered, just not always in the
way you might expect. So do you have anything else
to say about prayers and prayers? Oh, it's important when
you pray to God to be really clear about what
it is you want, you know, not just some vague
thing like, oh, sure, pray for Deborah or what you
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want to say, Well, these are the things that I
would like to come about. You know that she's heal,
that her back is perfect, she has a love of
her life and joy and friends, you know that kind
of stuff, not just a general prayer, but exactly what
would you like to see in that person's life appear.
(01:02:15):
So God really knows what kind of answers you're looking for.
Five sentsus you know fair enough, very much smell fel Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Now, where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you guys are doing in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Well, we have a website. It's www dot the Miracle
of Our Universe dot com. And we're also on Facebook,
the Miracle of Our Universe. You just search for it
in Facebook and it pops up. I have an Instagram
account Marcia Simms for zero and the book is available
(01:02:56):
for sale on Amazon and other major book seller outlets
like Barnes and Noble and Walmart and Target. So I
guess those are the major places look on our sure,
red will Wiser, there's the page about us there us. Yeah,
(01:03:19):
plenty of ways to get to us.
Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And do you have any party messages for the audience?
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Well, I would just like to share with everyone how
you could get your guaranteed ticket to Heaven, because that
was the original title of our book, by the way,
and so I wanted to put this in the book,
and it's in the book in the back section. So
(01:03:45):
I wanted to share everyone you have a guaranteed ticket
to heaven because you are a spark of God and
you're a part of him or her. The alternative would
be helped answer is because we are sparks of God.
Why would God condemn a part of himself to eternal
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fire and damnation? It's illogical. You know, if someone does
something that deserves negative carbon, well it can be paid off,
you know, if to do enough good deeds, but it
can be paid off. So how you experience heaven while
you're here on earth. It's important to be in a
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state of gratitude because this opens your mind for optimism, love,
and God's still small voice. The good news is that anyone,
even you, can achieve this if you take the time
to meditate and distill your monkey mind. It may take
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a lot of practice because the mind likes to loop
around in thoughts. So one of the ways that I
steal my mind is I sit in a quiet place,
count back where its from one hundred, and I sometimes
have to do it so fast to stop the thoughts
that there's not a space for a thought to come in.
But it does slow down, and then as it slows down,
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you can melt right into the beauty and grace of God.
I get a lovely kind of spring, green and purple
and some agentas and they kind of swirl around inside
my mind's eye, and then I know that I am
communicating with the cosmic consciousness.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That was beautiful. Marcia, thank you so much. I want
to thank both you and Bernie for coming on the
show and not only talking with me today for my audience,
but also for the amazing work that you're doing to
raise the consciousness of the planet. So I appreciate both
of you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
You're welcome, our pleasure. You're a delightful host. Great.
Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I want to thank Marcia and Bernard so much for
coming on the show and sharing their knowledge with all
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the show, we have Marcia Simms and Bernard Hesh. Now,
Bernard is an astrophysicist from Berkeley, and he has proof
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of the cosmic hologram that we are all living in
the matrix, if you will. The simulation and the conversation
we have is profound, to say the least. I like
to welcome to the show, Marshall Sims and Bernard Heisch.
How you guys doing great?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Glad to be here with you, Alex.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm excited to talk to you guys today because I
haven't had I've had many quantum physics physicists on, physicists on,
but I know how any astrophysicists on before, and it's
a different perspective on the universe an astrophysicist as generally speaking.
So my very first question to you is how do
you balance the imperial evidence with faith or belief in
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your professional and personal lives.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Some of this from about right looking at the the
rules of science of physics or astrophysics and seeing how
how they get together. They fit together, or is there
some major problem. I think it's possible to have these
two disciplines, some potentiously in hand, and both of them
(03:05):
preparing rules for the universe that are consistent with religion.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, you know, I think it might be important to
go back to how did Bernie get interested in God
and astrophysics? And he answers your question about how he
balances it. So Ever, since he was a little boy,
he always felt very spiritual and he follow a strong
connection to God. He was raised Catholic, and he's study
(03:33):
to be a Catholic priest. And he used to line
all of his stuffed animals up on a bed in
his bedroom and feed them communion, and he got quite
a charge out of that. It made him feel this reward,
like he was connecting to God. So he did study
to be a Catholic priest. But he always had an
(03:54):
interest in the stars. Always just if you look up
at the night sky, be amazed at the wonder of
the universe, and so astrophysics became more prominent, more important
to him, and he also wanted to be able to
have relationships with the female sex. So yeah, when you're
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a priest, you know, you know, you have to kind
of be secluded. And so he decided to study astrophysics
at the Universe Indiana University in Bloomingdale, Bloomington. Bloomingdale's is
a department store First Star in Bloomington. And let's see,
(04:39):
I do want to add that he had this faith
from being a child and a lot of times it's
something you have to have an intuition on because it
has to go on how you feel. But logically, as
an astrophysicist, he was taught to think like a scientist.
And the National Academy Science and states that science is
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measuring things in the physical world. You know, everything to
do with the physical world, analysis, measuring, doing experiments, testing it,
making theories. So he's really good at doing all that.
But the National Academy of Sciences says that science has
nothing to do with religion or spirituality because that's something
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you can't measure, and you can't measure God. Really, you
can into it that there's a God. It's like, how
do you know if somebody loves you? You can't there's
no love meter that you could place on.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That person other than at the carnivals. Other than at
the carnivals, there's those love meters for like twenty five cents.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But yes, I take a judge on the response you
get right right now. If person loves you, they'll go
out of their way to do really nice things for you.
They'll be compassionate, they'll be generous, they'll be sweet and kind.
And so that's how God is to us. You know,
Bernie has gotten many answers to prayer with God, and
(06:14):
he always felt that intuition when he was serving communion
to his stuffed animals. Well, how else are you want
to balance at Bernie?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Well, balance is kind of something that's in the smoke,
because this is something that's written for people from basically
two two walks of life. One is the side where
there's no religion, Hell or colerade or or in any way.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
From People are fearful about Hell, they're fearful about God's power. Yeah,
and they follow dogma and sets the rules that their
their faith or their religions. That's out for them, right then, Yeah, right,
but science doesn't have anything to do with that. No,
(07:05):
it's possible to be a scientist and to be spiritual.
You have to be open enough to see the spiritual site.
I think that's how he balances it. Really, he's open.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But it's very interesting too, because again I've spoken to
so many physicists who come on the show in different
fields of physics, and they, you know, the ones that
come on this show generally have an open mind to
spirituality as a general statement, but most in the general
space don't really talk about spirituality. Though more and more,
(07:39):
i'd say now than ever before, are coming up publicly
talking about consciousness, talking about quantum physics. Is really starting
to open a bunch of doors into this space, and
there's not as much fear. Don't get me wrong, there's
still very a lot of fear about people coming out
of the spiritual closet and physics, but it seems to
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be a lot more open. Would you guys agree with that?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I agree with that. Yeah. It's it's time for there
to be a choice that can be made perfectly neutral
about religion. The choice have been made between following down
the road of the strict and certain mechanical explanations of things,
and they're right way when Fine California, especially the religious.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Uh well, spiritual not religious. We we actually we don't
have the same definition of our religion as we do spirituality,
because religion is a set of rules that are set
by whatever church anyone's affiliated with our specific interpretations of
the Bible. And we're talking more about being attuned to
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the cosmic consciousness that we co create the universe with.
We are sparks of God, and so we, as sparks
of God, co create our reality, the cosmic. And by
the way, I want to just say that when we
use the term God, we are actually referring to an
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entity or a consciousness that has no sex. We may
say he or she, but God is not a he.
He's not a she. He's not a human form. He's
not anything that we could actually imagine as human beings.
People like to anthrow for more for morphies God. I mean,
(09:33):
we do not see God as a desert patriarch sitting
in a throne with a staff and angels floating around
him and continuously praising him on clouds of light and joy. No,
God is the cosmic consciousness. He's a force, the great
great force.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, let me ask you this. Let's take it back
all the way to the beginning, the Big Bang? Right,
what is the implications of the Big Bang through the
lens of spirituality? Because I always had the only problem
I've always had with the Big Bang is I get it.
It makes all the sense in the world. But what
was around before the Big Bang?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
And that was always my questions ask question, you're right,
a old question, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, And that's the fact. One of the things that
motivated the book that I wanted to have a balanced
perspective that could, you know, to show the ability of
the science and spirituality to live side by side and
perhaps even to get one aside to learn from the other.
That's my primary motivation and writing the book.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
So we take it back to the very very root
of existence, and so Bernie and I did a lot
of research on this and what we have found, at
least this is our current model. And we use a model.
By the way, we never say we have all the answers.
Because he's a scientist, he has to have models, you know.
(11:18):
And as you proceed towards understanding your model or proving it,
you develop theories about it. So we're always in the
process of gathering information. But we came upon the idea
of the iron soft, which is the vast nothingness that's
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described in the Kabbala, the Jewish Kabbala, the mystical Kabala.
So we believe at this point that the great cosmic
consciousness of God fell out of the iron soft and
just existed as a while as an awareness of course power.
(12:01):
And this existence got very lonely, all being all by
itself because all there was for its companion was the
iron soft, and that doesn't really do anything for.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
You, right, So.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
God decided, I need to have experiences. I need to
have companions. So God created this force we think the
zero point field, which is a very vast electromagnetic field
that's been around since the beginning of the universe. And
we can tell you more about that later. He has
(12:36):
some ideas for how to tap it. But anyway, this
zero point energy, he used it to create the Big Bang.
And so the Big Bang started as an infinitesimal, tiny,
tiny little point that had so much pressure. Stop me
if I'm not explaining, okay, And it just exploded, and
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the zero point energy was there with it, and this
huge explosion created the universe. All the best galaxies, star systems,
planets and things evolve from that.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
No, it's not really an explosion because that implies that
this happened inside an ordinary space in coortin mentional geometry,
and that is now becoming a big question in cosmology
among those who are experts in the zero pont field
to try to get some understanding of what there was
(13:36):
before time. I mean, you can't have you can't have
something happening before or after. You don't have it after
or before. It is this impossible to try to understand
something in our notion of the what space time is
to come up with a model, and no one knows
how to do this because we're trying to get a
model of nothing. And if we go back off and say, well, okay,
(13:59):
let's go back an even further with the idea of nothing,
then what what made nothing happen?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, that's why we got to the saw, because that
was all we could.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Find, regress, internet regress, and that's what the well, I
guess it was the scientific problem. I say it's metaphysical,
but I think primarily it's a problem of understanding something
that's more complicated than our three dimensional three plus one
dimensional space and h somehow the the the zero point
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field had to come out of that. But how could it?
Because you can't make something happen if there's nothing to
deploy along our time and to make things happen, and
we just have no ideas. What's at this point? I
think of what kind of thing time is like. If
it changes its character for what it is in our
organized space to something deeper and more profound, that's big.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's a big, huge subject it is. That's a good time.
I mean as a human being, time is passage of event,
how the day changes, you know, the sun rotating, I
mean the Earth rotating around the sun. And yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But then time and space is interesting because with quantum entanglement,
it is kind of put materialism unnotice if you will,
in many ways because it just defies time and space.
And I've spoken to many spiritual masters, I've spoken to
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a lot of near death experiences, and the way that
there is no time or space on the other side
according to them, because everything is instant, you think it,
you're there, and quantum entanglement is kind of a almost
like a little bit of a spark, if you will,
if I can use that word of what it is like.
On the other side, can you explain quantum entanglement a
(15:53):
little bit to people? Do they really understand what it
is and how it's kind of thrown a lot of
things upside down.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You can in the laboratory set up in a situation
where you have maybe back to electrons or photons, and
there are different things, but they follow some similar to
the laws. And what you can do is to take
one pair of these, uh, these particles and in some
way you haven't interact with each other in the laboratory,
and you shoot shoot one off to where they go.
(16:22):
And the entailment interpretation shows that the the two the
two you know, electrons or photons or whatever you're using, uh,
they they have the same some certain same certain same
properties that will for the rest of the age of
(16:43):
the universe. And unless something comes to law and and and.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, I guess, Bertie, why don't I talk about the
double slit experiment because that shows quantum entanglement. It's a
really famous experiment. By way, He's the one that did
the first experiment.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
People are.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Opposed it, okay, Well, the double slit experiment is one
of the most bizarre experiments in physics and it cuts
to the heart of the weirdness of quantum mechanics. So
this experiment is done in a lap with a laser
and a screen that has two narrow slits in it.
(17:28):
The laser beam has to be wide enough to shine
on both slits. When you cover up one of the slits,
as the light from the laser passes to the open slit,
a pattern will appear on the wall behind it. This
pattern is due to the spreading out of light, a
process called diffraction in this case specifically single slit diffraction.
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But if you uncover the second slit, the light going
through the open slit will still undergo diffraction. But in addition,
the light beams traveling through the two slits will interfere
with each other. Did I say that right?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, they're tied together. And the theories it says that
they're tied together for whoever age you want in the universe,
because there is that they are connected to each other
even though you can't connect them in any way. That
it's like a physical notion. It's the entangled. They support
each other in very a mysterious kind of way that
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quantum mechanics has to be used to but doesn't have
any crew has to what is happening.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Still, it shows how the photons are connected to each
other in quantam entanglement.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
If you're two photons away from each other, then the
photons are getting tangled, or you can do electrons as well,
or other other more massive particles. I assume I've not
seen much about that.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So the conventional explanation is that each photon somehow knows
that even though it goes through slit A R B,
it is also in the same in the open position,
and vice versa. The wave is a wave of probability.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So it's kind of yeah, so it's kind of like
when two twins are across the world from each other
and one gets burned and the other one feels it right,
you got it up. It's it's it's it's unexplainable. But
there has been a lot, I mean, there's just been
so much proof and about these kind of things that
(19:35):
have happened throughout history, like the twin thing. I mean,
anyone who's ever been a twin understands that that you
feel it, or even a mother and a child you
feel like, oh, something's happened to my kid, and they
just get this instinct that just pops in the second
it happens. That's not quantifiable in materialism or in time
and space, but there's something going on there. And I
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think we've all experienced it at one point or another.
And we can use the example of a phone call
that the phone rings and you know who it is
before you pick they pick you pick it up. There's
some sort of weird connection that's in the quantum field
or the would you call it the magnetic field that
you were speaking of?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Electromagnetic field? Is zero point energy?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Is that kind of like a quantum field?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is it verning zero point energy? It's the best electromagnetic
field energy. That's I mean, Einstein and Malox flock knew
about it. So people have known about it since the
early nineteen hundreds. It's not a new theory, and I
mean it really is acknowledged. So can we tap it?
(20:46):
So pretty it has come up with an idea, So.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
How do you tap it? How do you tap it?
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and now back to the out.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
You'll we tell you about it. Sure, I have a
little summary page that would actually help me. So it's
broadly recognized as a vast field of electromagnetic energy. It's
also known as the quantum vacuum field. This field represents
the underlying energy that is everywhere in the universe, even
(21:25):
where there is nothing but vacuum. It's composed of every
frequency or wavelength that exists. Some are short and others
are long. It's perfectly random. It's an infinite source of energy.
And Bernie and our company Jovian jov io n dot com,
(21:47):
if everyone wants to look us up, has come up
with a way that we believe could provide humanity with
an endless supply of totally clean energy without violating the
second law of thermodynamics. Our process has nothing to do
with heat, is electromagnetic. So there's a Casimir force that
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happens between two parallel metal plates that are pushed together
by an overpressure of the zpe from the outside of
the plates. And the reason is because if the plates
are really really close together, the longer waves of the
zpe cannot get into the plate, can't pass through, so
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it becomes, you know, like a little vacuum inside and
this is called the Kasimir force, and it happens down
at the nano level, So it's very very tiny place
and it can be We believe the ZPF can be
manipulated through use of nanosized Kasimir cavities by squeezing out
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photon energy. Electronic orbitals of an atom spiral down inside
the cavity and photons are emitted. Our process then sends
the photons through a photo voltaic cell and electricity will
be generated. So in this way it would be captured
(23:18):
in a device we would call the Casimir generator or
the CG, and it's portable. You can use it for
driving cars, for hospitals, kitchens, whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, and so much more more friendly to the environment
then the FAG energy would be, because here you're really
really taking nothing out of the energy of the universe
except doing that in the interview of the universe through
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your experiment.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So the air that passes through the Kazimir cavity as
it goes back out to the main area, it's replenished,
so we're not using up any resources.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
The situation is that we apply for a patent on
this device, and we actually got a pat on it
some years ago, and I was quite reality to get that,
but then came the awkward requirement to go find some money. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Prototype. We've had several experiments that had some very promising results,
but we haven't had the funds to get the proper
kind of Cazemiric cavity. We need to research and get
more information to create a prototype.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So that's well, that sounds fascinating. Is this is this
technology that you guys are talking about. Did Tesla touch
upon any of this or is that a completely different
way that he was trying to do kind of like
this free energy.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Describing why we described Also they had other things mind
that were sometimes you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So broadcasting electricity. Yeah, yeah, this is not like that. Okay,
is on you know, portable on location wherever you are.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I would I would hesitate some credibility to.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Brilliant. He was a genius.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, without yeah, without question. And we they're
still trying to figure out a lot of the stuff
that he was talking about back a.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Better of our alternating current which the world works on.
So he deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, So what you're saying in regards to this,
this for this, uh, this field that we're tapping into.
As you were describing it, it sounds very much like
the force from Star Wars. It is around us, it's
all around us. You can manipulate it, and then just
kind of it sounded very force like in that sense.
Maybe you don't need to be a Jedi, but I'm
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just using using that as an example.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Right this, I'm sure I think there's a lot of
truth to the forest.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Actually absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I mean, but.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Bernie, this was something that certainly could across the neara
Testa's desk and he would be very comfortable with this.
And the thing is that the energy inherent in this
field is literally infinite, and so even pick out the
pieces of it that are at wavelengths that are not
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going to be made the belligerent because most weapons are
most most experiments and theories wind up somehow or the
supporting weapons.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, cannot be used for weapons.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
This intrinsic y can not be used for for any
weapon because you pick out certain frequencies in the field
and strapped them. Correct, But if you're not going to
extract a whole bunch of other stuff which could become explosive,
you know, as in the Uh, it's hydrogen bound. So
this seems to be a benevolent usage of the zero
(27:06):
point field that couldn't couldn't be turned into weapons by anybody,
anybody know, no matter how money is thrown at it.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, is it? And you say you use the word frequency,
And I think that's a very interesting word to use
because on a spiritual standpoint, frequency is spoken about so
much that you have to change your vibration. The lower
the frequency, Uh, the soul is is at a lower frequency,
so it attracts certain things to it. The higher the frequency, Uh,
(27:36):
you could feel that energy. Do you believe that the
universe is just essentially frequency? That frequency is fundamental? Fundamental?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, always think the universe is consciousness?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Really yes?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But is that?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But is that consciousness a frequency?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It's the question frequency without without something to to frequent
as an undefinable right, you can make anything. I have
very frequency guitar. Guitar is actually example. The frequencies are
the lariest north you find in the scale. So the
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frequency has to be defined in terms of what it is.
It's it's frequenting.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
At this point, I would just like to let everyone
know that Bernie has Parkinson's so if he's slow speaking,
it's because of his illness. He's doing an amazing job.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yes, he's us in doing this book.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
By the way, this is his fourth book. That's yeah.
Well I helped him write this book because it's hard
for him to type, and I actually put a lot
of my own ideas into it too.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
So very good. No, I appreciate I appreciate you letting
letting everybody know that I was going to let them
know as well. It's very courageous what you're doing, Bernard
about with these interviews and getting this information out into
the world. And that's what I'm trying to do with
the show, as well as to have these conversations reach
a mass audience as much as we possibly can. Now,
I wanted to ask you this is one of my
(29:08):
favorite topics. I'd love to hear your point of view
on it. Simulation theory, the idea that we are in
a conscious simulation, very much matrix like from the movie
The Matrix. I don't believe there were in the side
of a computer somewhere and there's some teenage alien playing
(29:28):
us as a simulation. I don't believe that. But the
concept of maya from the Vedic text, or the dream
from the Aborigines, or so many other things. The concept
of the illusion that we are all part of has
been around for thousands of years, and now physics is
(29:49):
starting to catch up to this idea of quantum physics
is starting to catch up. I'd love to hear your
point of view on it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well, I guess the central point of our look not
an proposal, but a suggestion and a model. It's a
model of reality that addies to all living things and
old planets and us and so on. And this assumes
that there is what God would do. This ideal like
(30:18):
God is attractive to as march as that create companions
of the sort, but mainly to exercise his own abilities
by creating what he what he imagines. And that would
be a lot more fun to create what you imagine
than doing this the hard work of imagining. I'm creating it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
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Speaker 3 (30:48):
So think about think of God wanting for some crazy
reason to go ski down the mountain. Okay, wants to
go skiing? Well, can you do that as God?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I can't, because even God can't make can't make the
ski boots or ski or skis that would suit or
accommodate the principles. So if he went through skiing one day,
oh yes, to do is create uh ski resort and
ski apparel, and he seen what he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Two human beings. He experiences through the human beings and skiing.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Right, and then the importance of this thing that has
been done is that he will understand what can be
done with the laws of physics that he has created.
And that's the in fact, the whole purpose of it,
because if Good did not have some outside reference to
work against and compare his understanding to other people, then
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there would be no fun in the skiing down the mountain.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And in other words, God wanted to create a universe
full of interesting stuff, so you play and learn and grow,
and you know, you have to experience and he couldn't
experience his the consciousness that he can experience through us
and all the animals on the planet and you know,
other living beings.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
What fun is the diplot monopoly?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know you have no gay mates, right, Yeah, So
we're proposing that God imagines all of that cosmic reality
the universe by organizing his thoughts into computer like algorithms
that run in his mind. This requires unbelievable bandwidth in
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data storage, but it solves one of the greatest mysteries
of all time. So God is a mathematician, and if
you look at the world around us, math is apparent
in every aspect, especially in physics and science. You know,
even in music and art. Yeah, art full of mathematics.
(32:54):
Oh yeah, the Golden mean and art in music. Well,
so music is based on math, really, I mean every
the distance between every octave. Bach made sure he measured
it out correctly. Johann Sebastian Bach, the father of modern music,
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created each half step to be the square root of two,
twelfth twelve root of two. That square twelfth root of two. Yeah,
and then we need so And by doing that, every
instrument could play together in an orchestra or a band
because they would all be in tune with each other.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Are we hearing each other?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Go?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely the question. I've been using that concept
of the algorithm, God's algorithm for a while now. First
I've heard that's that used it as well, because I
always it was because I've been using it as an
example because people are like, well, if we have free will,
then you know, how can we have predestinies and all
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this kind of stuff, Like you know, we're down here
to go down certain predestined paths, but if you have
free will, how is that possible? And I was like, well,
it seems to me that we're God's algorithm because an
algorithm has a direction, but it kind of does what
it wants, and it could figure things out in ways
that we the creator of the algorithm didn't see coming.
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So it would learn. It's AI essentially it's learning and growing,
but it's going on its own direction. So the algorithm
has free will within a box of parameters that it's said,
and so it sounds very similar to what we are
down here, and if and this is just the one planet,
let's not even talk about billions and billions of other
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planets in the universe. God knows what's sitting around other
algorithms that are being flo that are being tested around
the universe as well, which is very very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, that's God has motive and you can figure out
person were sitting here and how many given ideas that
basically explain on what God's motivation is. This that's that's
hypollutant thinking. You know, uh, and if we're right, we've
got something that should appeal to a lot more people
than the you know, the materialistic versions of God on
one side and they they I don't believe in God
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on ah the other side. I think we've offered a good,
uh starting point or a reasonable middle that is not
only going through I think we impatible with materialism and
uh psychism, but it's going to be a learning tool
even for God himself to learn how, how, how or
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what he is and what he can be done, which
is infinite.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, no, I was going to say, it's like when
when you're when you were a kid and you're playing
with your barbies or you're playing with your g I
Joe's you as the creator, the god of of that
environment that you've created. You have characters and you have
a pretest and way that you're fighting with them or
telling a little story or things like that, but you
as the creator, understand where the story is going because
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you're creating the story as we go along. But as
an algorithm, it's kind of like throwing a gi Jo
and a Barbie together and like, let's see what happens.
And that's a much more exciting story because you really
truly don't know which way it's going to go. So
the idea of us being the algorithm of God makes
so much more sense than there's this big puppeteer just
because that's boring. It's just a boring story. It's a
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boring way of looking at what we do here. So
this free will thing is really fundamental to this entire
cosmic algorithm algorithm simulation that we're all kind of sitting in.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Definitely. Yeah, I have an interesting quote I was going to.
Brian Whitworth, a professor of information processing and technology and
New Zealand, puts it all this way. One of the
mysteries of our world is how every photon of light,
every electron and quirk, and indeed every point of space
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itself seems to just know what to do with each moment.
The mystery is that these tiniest parts of the universe
have no mechanisms or structures for which to make such decisions.
Only God the algorithm could make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You know, I was thinking the other day, I don't
know if you guys have animals or not, or I
have had animals in your life. But I was looking
at my cats that have a couple of cats, and
I was looking at them, and they're pre the way
they react to us as a family. They're kind of
like small algorithms with sets of rules. Cats will be cats,
cats will not be A dog won't be a giraffe.
(37:49):
It has its pre built algorithm of how it reacts
to us. And I was just looking at them, like, well,
if that's the case, then a tree has its own algorithm.
A tiger has its own algorithm. You know, a bear
has its own algorithm in the sense of the way
it interacts with us. That's why I always get upset
when people are like, oh, that tiger went crazy. No,
the tiger went tiger.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You got in its way, It didn't get in your way.
Kind of situation. But it again goes along with this
idea of this algorithm that everything, every blade of grass,
every bird that's flying, it has its own pre built
programming or way that it interacts with this environment. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I think you put it really well perfect. So an algorithm,
the dog algorithm, the turtle algorithms have I had a
turtle for a long time.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh yeah, as they do ten. Their algorithm lives a
long time if you feed them right. But there's all
these sets of rules and even something as you know,
something as simple as a blade of grass is conscious.
It's not the level of consciousness that you and I
might have. But when the sun comes out, it angles
itself to get the sun, you know. And there were
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some amazing experiments. I saw, I saw. I forgot who
was doing it, but they were seeing how conscious a
plant was, and they would they would plant a seed
and they would see where the roots would go, and
they would put an empty dish and a dish with
water underneath the soil to see where it would go.
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And it would automatically go toward every time to where
the water was. It just instinctively new, it's programming new
it needed to get water. Then they actually played the
sound of water to see if it would do it,
and it went after the sound of water as well.
I mean, it's just really fascinating these ideas of what
is conscious and what is not conscious in the world today.
(39:53):
What do you think about that experiment?
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Well, I think it's a good one. And there are
other experiments that the class in general have some sort
of high.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And well I have to tell you. When I was
getting my teaching credential at the University of California at
Center Barbara, we as student teachers, conducted an experiment in
a room. We grew plants to step different kinds of
music to see how they would respond. So we had
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a section that listened to classical music, and those plants
boots tall and straight and flourished. Then we had the
plants that were listening to rock music, and they got
a little bit jaggedy, a little twisted, and musa musak.
(40:50):
It was soothing to the plants, but they didn't grow
as tall and straight as the classical music. Isn't that interesting.
That's the classical music is very mathemat and I was
talking about that earlier when I was talking about the
mathematical nature of music. And I mean when you think
about the rhythm notations, the quarter notes, eighth notes, half notes,
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and time signatures, I mean, it's all based on math.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
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Speaker 2 (41:30):
And I think this is one of the things I
wonder about music. Whether God uses music as his mathematical
expression or algorithm through sound. Is it possible that music
is mathematical because the universe was designed by a pure mathematician.
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It has the greatest influence on us of anything abstract
in the world, and it undergirds all of society. You know,
it's impossible to get away from music. Com Yeah, it's everywhere.
It's all pervasive, from classical music. I mean, I have
to say I'm a little bit font more biased towards
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classical music because I'm a music teacher and opera singer.
But I still like pop, I still like rock. I
like DJ music, you know, And you can experience God
through music in church if you go to a church service.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Well, you know, well, you know what's really interesting. I
come from filmmaking. I've been a filmmaker for many years
and I've I've worked in Hollywood, and story is also
something that's everywhere. You can't get away from story.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Absolutely every aspect of our life, even from like this
is what just happened to me when I walk down
the street. We constantly are telling each other stories. But
the classic stories that have stood the test of time
are mathematical in the beats of when certain things have
to happen in the story that the Joseph Campbell put
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at the hero's journey. That's why a story like Star
Wars hits these beats so perfectly. And then you start
analyzing all old films and you just go, oh, there's
the beat. There's the beat. There's the beat. There's a beat.
It is absolutely mathematical and art. I mean, just look
at the mona Lisa, you look at a ango or
and you can start breaking down the mathematics of art. Well,
(43:24):
it doesn't seem like it is, but it's there, always
underlining behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh yeah. But I'm also a graphic artist, and every
time I start a project, like if I'm doing a
flyer for my opera company. I'm on a board of
an opera company called Forresvio Opera. It's in San Francisco
Bay area, and I have to measure everything out, like
(43:50):
what size do I want the card? What are the
margins going to be? Like how big is this logo
supposed to be? How what font size? What font type?
You know, how going to fit into this little space?
How are you going to balance everything out? I mean,
it's all mathematics and to the eye, right.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And that's the thing, isn't it interesting? Though, like when
you look at when you look at something that's off balance.
As a graphic designer, because I've been doing graphic design
for many years as well, you can't if you're a
layman and doesn't understand graphic design and you look at something,
you'll just go that doesn't feel right. But then you
move like, oh, let's just move it over to the left. Okay,
that feels better. It's fascinating. It's fascinating to see, Like
(44:33):
you know, we as graphic designers, you can kind of
see what's going on behind the scenes because we have
the theory and understanding of it and also just our
instinctual eye that we've developed over years and years of
working in that space. But when something's off, the layman
or the man on the man or woman on the
street won't know what it is wrong, but they can tell.
(44:55):
Same thing with music, same thing with story, same thing
with movies, same thing with art. They could just sense
something is off. That's why when anything veers from the
standard story structure that has been around for thousands and
thousands of years, people mass people generally don't like it.
That's why every big blockbuster runs through that same structure
(45:19):
and many versions of it, but still runs through that
structure and when it's off, when you watch a Fellini film,
it's very different than when you watch Titanic. Oh yeah,
the beats are slightly different, or David Lynchfield for that matter.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
They're all good, but they all have.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
A different, different, different thing. It's very interesting. Now. I
wanted to ask you, guys, what from an astrophysics standpoint,
can astrophysics inform the concept of reincarnation or rebirth.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Well, I don't think that thing out of it. Astrophysics
have much robus here, but in fact I believe in, uh,
the incarnation. I think it's essential to carry out God
carry out its plans. You see, if you if you
want to have a wish life, you want to be
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able to live it according to your own free will.
And uh, that free will would not be possible if
we woke up on more and and said, oh, gee,
that's reincarnate now, and so it would be worthless to
live in life and that kind of that kind of
reward system, because you would know what if you've done
before and do differently, and and it would hinder your
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abilities to operate as an independent, independent, powerful human being. Well,
it's that that I see as the biggest asset of reincarnations,
that you can live multiple lives and that they have
a purpose. And that purpose is if you can to
live better and better lives.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
If you go through them, you know, with and you
can make up for mistakes that you made before you
get other chances. Right, it's not like a one time
thing and wow, oh I blew it. I guess I'm
going to hell.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Right right. But the thing is that the key to
that is that we forget that we're not informed about
those other lives or why we're even here. Is the
discovery aspect, because according to spirituatural spiritual mattress I've spoken
to and near death experiences, is that there is a
plan that we come down here with, but we don't
know the plan. We have to kind of discover it,
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and sometimes we have the free will to go off
off course and completely missed the point.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know what we know? I mean, at least I
can speak for myself, all right. I know when a
certain something happens in my life, you know, a certain episode.
I know what I'm supposed to do. I can see
two choices. I can see Yeah, well, if I follow
it through on this. It's going to be kind of tough,
(47:58):
but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to do it, because
the alternative is to go and do something else, for instance,
writing this book. So Bernie has been working on it.
He worked on it for about five years, but you know,
because he got Parkinson's, he was having problems completing it,
and you know, he was kind of hinting that he
needed help, but he didn't actually ask for it, except
(48:20):
one day he said, Okay, Marcia, I really wanted to
finish this book. By the way, we're a husband and wife, Teama,
I should say we've been together for thirty six years,
so I know him really well. But he asked me
for help, and he said, if you help me, you
can put your name on the book alongside mine. And
that made all the difference in the world. And then
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I knew. I mean, I spent several months helping him
clean this book up, organize it, edit it, whatever. But
I knew that was one of my purposes here. It
was to help him write this book. And I think
it's his most powerful book. Really, should I mentioned the title,
of course, Yeah, she's a miracle of our universe.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you though,
this book, it is coming out, it is available now
in this time period, it right, So would this book
have even been accepted thirty years ago?
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Probably not right?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I mean, I mean Bernard would have been laughed out,
probably laughed out of the field at that point in time.
Is that is that fair?
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, that's fair. That's a possibility. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I'm stating that because it just seems that everything is
just shifting so much that these ideas are being more
and more widely accepted by people. I mean, I don't
remember a time where, you know, someone like me is
sitting down with an astrophysicist or a quantum physicists and
talking deep you know, physics kind of conversations mixed in
with spirituality. This really didn't exist ten years ago, twenty
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years ago in a mass way, But now there shows
talking about it all the time. So I think it's
do you believe that it is the time for this
information to start hitting the masses.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I have time for that, and also it's time for.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
It's a new view of consciousness, God, science and reality,
which is what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Evolution is that I think it's also something that might
be might be proven within the year or so as
we now have we have a huge number of aerial
phenomena that have been observed several years. That probably pretty
good because I think it's uh, it's really deeply involved
(50:44):
or we are deeply involved with that as a way
to have our civilization go through a phase transition from
from we have now to something much different.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So I all the observations of the UFOs or UAP.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, really jazz by that because I think that it
comes out as that respective will it's going to upset
the world.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
And we'll be right back after a word from our
sponsor and now back to the show. Absolutely, and I
think we have to kind of be I think we
have as a as a species, have to get to
a certain consciousness to even accept this idea without us
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completely losing our minds. And I think that we have
been growing in consciousness. Humanity's consciousness has been evolving I think,
I think a very fast rate over the last ten years.
I mean, because what the strides have been made in
these kind of conversations in the last ten years probably
are more than they were made in the last hundred prior.
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I mean, it's just very fast, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
As horrible as the pandemic was, it gave us all
time to have our own personal internal space and dialogue,
which we often don't get because we're so busy with
things and you know, our lives. But during the pandemic,
that probably was a turning point for our race. You know,
(52:17):
we decided to get more spiritual. We started meditating because
we had time to meditate.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah. I mean, if you would have told me the
entire world shut down for six weeks, I mean to
the point where the dolphins came back to Venice, I
mean to the canals of Venice, like literally, after like
a few weeks they were coming back into the city,
I would have said, dur insane. That sounds like a
science fiction movie. But in our lifetime, the entire world
(52:45):
pretty much shut down to a certain extent for about
six weeks, and then of course it took a long
time for everybody to come back out. But you're right,
it is.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
It was a very difficult time for all of us,
but in many ways, hidden blood things to given us
that time to kind of reflect on our lives. To
the point now that the West are like, no, I
don't want to work nine to five and work forty
to sixty hour weeks for forty years, and then get
a watch that doesn't exist anymore, that's gone. You know,
(53:17):
I want to work at home. I want to do this.
I want to have life work balance that didn't exist
pre pandemic. Now, guys, I want to ask you a
few questions. I ask all of my guests. Okay, what
is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Realizing my dreams is fulfilling my life. I have a
lot of dreams, things that I want to achieve. I've
actually done a lot of the things. Maybe finishing this
book is one of the biggest ones, because sharing thoughts
that I've had, intuitions I've had, you know, with the
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world for anyone who cares to read the book. You know,
we put our heart and soul into this book, so
Bernie especially, I mean I helped him shape his ideas.
So it really is kind of a synthesis of all
your ideas, wouldn't you say so? I guess fulfilling my
life is fulfilling my dreams and having a richness of
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you know, joy and happiness and love and feeling and
light whatever. What's the fulfilled life for you? Bernie?
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Well, yeah, I write it was something like a series
of books is certainly. Yeah. I feel that's accomplished something
that I came here to do and im pron of
and accomplishes a purpose. I think. So that's what to
me is life.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, he finished it. He said he always had a
dream for when he was a young boy that he
wanted to write about God and science. He did it.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
That's beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah. So he has four books. He has The God Theory,
The Purpose Guided Universe, Proof of God with Ptolemy Tompkins,
and then The Miracle of Our Universe, a New View
of Consciousness, God, Science and Reality by Bernie and myself.
We have a copy here.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, so that's that's fulfillment, all right with you?
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Alex Oh, I think I'm I think I'm doing it.
I think I'm doing it. I mean from where I
came from being a filmmaker and working with Oscar winners
and all that kind of stuff back in the day
to do a spiritual podcast, which is completely outside of
my comfort zone when I started it. Yeah, and it's
(55:50):
fallen into something that is shaping and impacting millions of
people around the world. Uh, this is I feel that
I'm very fulfilled doing this kind of work.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
So it's it is really yeah to share spirituality.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
Our son is also up and coming filmmaker, Breaking Taylor. Yeah,
we will.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
We will have a conversation about it after we stopped recording.
I'll tell you all about the film business. Uh. Now,
if both of if both of you had a chance
to go back in time and speak to little Marcia
and little Bernie, what advice would you give them to?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Little Marcia? Uh, be confident in myself. Uh, be confident
that I can be beautiful, that I can do great things.
I think that is one of the things that I've
learned over time, to gain confidence and then be confident
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that I have things to share with people around me.
And Uh, I'm proud, yes, a little barshit, big barshit,
of my ability to persevere. I've always been a very
persistent person. Bernie will tell you I don't give up,
even long beyond but I should. I don't. I don't
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give up. I always find workarounds. So I guess that's
one thing I would tell little Marsha too, don't give up.
Find a work around if you run into a wall.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That's supportant very important very important. Anybody.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Well, I storry to say, I have two kids, and
in terms of what they would learn from three, it's
very sorry. So you might have two of my own
and one is an adopted from the Marsha's. So what
to say to them? I guess to be true to
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themselves and try to find something that is very significated
to them and they can invest their their abilities. And
also there the yearnings for and that would be if
I if I do that in the right way, then
if I look back at that and say I have
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done in the right way, that would be fulfilling. Its
bigger run about Babel, I just yourself.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
You've fulfilled your dreams, right, Yeah, he fulfilled his dreams.
I mean he still has a word to go, I'm sure,
but right now, at this point in time, he has
kept going. He has not given up.
Speaker 3 (58:38):
In fact, I would say that probably this book there
is more weight to me in terms of my thinking
of it as a healing pool and something to provide
information from mankind. I would say this is, this is
this outweighs my scientific papers. I have over one hundred
scientific papers three something, and we've got other things. In
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an astrophysics you know, I spent ten years as it's
not getting the editor for the Astrophysical Journal, so recadre
of scientists that are responsible for accepting or rejecting the
research in that field that goes on, and I was
one of ten for a year. So there are other
things besides the books and that. But it's uh, well
(59:24):
it's been a pretty good life.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah, Now, how do you define God?
Speaker 2 (59:31):
God a great, constantly consciousness that creates reality and as
we said earlier, spun off the universe and the star
systems and the planets and the humans and the animals,
spun them off so that God, he she could have experiences.
(59:57):
So because we're a creation of God, we're a spark
of God. So we see it as God as a consciousness.
You could say it was a force. Consciousness is a force.
It's an awareness. Did I leave anything else that you
want to say about God?
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
The things? Probably?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Probably, yeah, but it's a higher power. And well, so
oftentimes people approach God when they're in great need, so
otherwise they are kind of oblivious. God can answer our prayers.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And so I guess this is something important I want
to say, How do you realize or how do you
know if God actually answered your prayer? And does God
answer all of our prayers? So God gives you answers
that not necessarily in the time prayer that you would like,
sometimes right away. Sometimes down the road, you could see
(01:01:10):
answers by observing the world around you. I mean, sometimes
you might get an answer from God by looking at
a road sign and the answer is right there, embedded
in the road sign message, or by looking at a
license plate, or coming out of the mouth of a friend,
or you know radio program you are listening to. But
(01:01:31):
your prayers do get answered, just not always in the
way you might expect. So do you have anything else
to say about prayers and prayers? Oh, it's important when
you pray to God to be really clear about what
it is you want, you know, not just some vague
thing like, oh, sure, pray for Deborah or what you
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want to say, Well, these are the things that I
would like to come about. You know that she's heal,
that her back is perfect, she has a love of
her life and joy and friends, you know that kind
of stuff, not just a general prayer, but exactly what
would you like to see in that person's life appear.
(01:02:15):
So God really knows what kind of answers you're looking for.
Five sentsus you know fair enough, very much smell fel Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Now, where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you guys are doing in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Well, we have a website. It's www dot the Miracle
of Our Universe dot com. And we're also on Facebook,
the Miracle of Our Universe. You just search for it
in Facebook and it pops up. I have an Instagram
account Marcia Simms for zero and the book is available
(01:02:56):
for sale on Amazon and other major book seller outlets
like Barnes and Noble and Walmart and Target. So I
guess those are the major places look on our sure,
red will Wiser, there's the page about us there us. Yeah,
(01:03:19):
plenty of ways to get to us.
Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And do you have any party messages for the audience?
Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Well, I would just like to share with everyone how
you could get your guaranteed ticket to Heaven, because that
was the original title of our book, by the way,
and so I wanted to put this in the book,
and it's in the book in the back section. So
(01:03:45):
I wanted to share everyone you have a guaranteed ticket
to heaven because you are a spark of God and
you're a part of him or her. The alternative would
be helped answer is because we are sparks of God.
Why would God condemn a part of himself to eternal
(01:04:06):
fire and damnation? It's illogical. You know, if someone does
something that deserves negative carbon, well it can be paid off,
you know, if to do enough good deeds, but it
can be paid off. So how you experience heaven while
you're here on earth. It's important to be in a
(01:04:28):
state of gratitude because this opens your mind for optimism, love,
and God's still small voice. The good news is that anyone,
even you, can achieve this if you take the time
to meditate and distill your monkey mind. It may take
(01:04:48):
a lot of practice because the mind likes to loop
around in thoughts. So one of the ways that I
steal my mind is I sit in a quiet place,
count back where its from one hundred, and I sometimes
have to do it so fast to stop the thoughts
that there's not a space for a thought to come in.
But it does slow down, and then as it slows down,
(01:05:12):
you can melt right into the beauty and grace of God.
I get a lovely kind of spring, green and purple
and some agentas and they kind of swirl around inside
my mind's eye, and then I know that I am
communicating with the cosmic consciousness.
Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That was beautiful. Marcia, thank you so much. I want
to thank both you and Bernie for coming on the
show and not only talking with me today for my audience,
but also for the amazing work that you're doing to
raise the consciousness of the planet. So I appreciate both
of you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
You're welcome, our pleasure. You're a delightful host. Great.
Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I want to thank Marcia and Bernard so much for
coming on the show and sharing their knowledge with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
show notes at next levelsoul dot com Forward slash three
nine six. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you,
there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely
commercial free on Next level Soul TV's app where Soul
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Begin your awakening at Next Levelsoul dot TV. Thank you
so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.
It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.
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