FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: VATICAN COVER-UP: KNIGHTS TEMPLAR and the Secret HOLY BLOODLINE of Jesus! with Templar Timothy Hogan

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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome Timothy Hogan,

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who is a grand Master of the Knight's Templar, and
in this episode, Tim and I go deep down the
rabbit hole about myth and legend of the Knight's Templar,
the Holy Grail, the arc of the Covenant, what really
happened on Friday the thirteenth, what the Vatican had done
and still does to the Night's Templar, and much much

(02:02):
much more. Let's dive in. I like to welcome to
the show, Timothy Ogan.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
How you doing anything great? Thank you for having me.
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much
for coming down to Next Level Soul Studios.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I appreciate it. Man. We were supposed to do this
in Zoom. We were on Zoom and You're like, well,
I'm gonna be in Austin in a week or two.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm like, why don't you just stop by? I think
it'll be a lot better. It's much better. I think
it's you know, being in person, the energy is always better.
And plus I get to see your studio, which is amazing. Oh.
I appreciate that. I love how you've decorated it and
it just it's got the right energy to it.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
So appreciate you, my friend. Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So when I first when you first came.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Across my path, when I heard that you were a
Night's Templary, I'm like, what they're still around?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah? Sure, Like how is that? Are you waving the sword?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Do you have the red Yeah, well you have the
red cross on your on your lapels.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Right, we're not doing the Crusades. There's that holek God,
thank God exactly.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, but how did you you know you're it's a
grand grand Master.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Correct, grand Master of the knights Templar.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, So how does one income the grand Master of
the Knight's Templar?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And how did it get to where it is?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Right now? Because all we remember is you know, Indiana
Jones and the Grail, which we'll get into all that
stuff and the history of the Crusades and that historical thing.
But how did it survive to where we're sitting right now.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, So, you know, by thirteen oh seven the Order
was suppressed by well, the Roman Church, particularly Pope Clement,
the fifth stop at the church did something like that. Yeah,
I mean there was some I think some of it
was jealousy. The order had grown in wealth and influence.

(03:46):
It had set up the first modern banking system, specifically
to get power out of the hands of the monarch
and the church back into the hands of the people.
By the way, but that's been over great with everybody
except for the heads of you know, some of the
monarchies in the church, in particularly the French monarchy that

(04:08):
was looked at the time that was looking to start
some new wars and and was out of money, and
they saw the Templar Order as an easy means to
a usurp that, and so they did. They staged, they
staged a roundup of templars, most of them, most of

(04:35):
the templars. I mean, they knew ahead of time that
this was going to happen. This wouldn't have been one
of the great mysteries of history, is because they went
to round up the templars there should have been thousands
of them in Paris at the time, and there just weren't.
There was maybe a few hundred, and that was it.
And all of their Paris hold, all the holdings that

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should have been in the treasury, the Templar treasury in
Paris was all gone by the time they went around
them up and the entire fleet of ships had disappeared magically.
It's because it was known ahead of time this was
going to happen. But as a result of that, the
Temple Order was able to go underground and survive in

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different means over the centuries, changing its name. You know,
one of the things that was able to do was
back in those days, we don't think about it much
today Today you could just travel wherever you want pretty much,
but back in those days you had to have a
you know, some sort of a charter from the king

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giving you permission to even leave the kingdom and go
anywhere else. And the only people that were allowed to
travel freely were different workers that would work in different kingdoms,
particularly stonemasons. And since the Order had a whole you know,
they had ship captains, they had farmers, they had clerics,

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they had stonemasons, they you know, they had all of
these people that were working within the order other than
just the you know, the knights on horseback that you
think of. They were able to easily and quickly shift
their identity and disguise themselves as other things in order

(06:30):
to hide and to travel to other kingdoms where they
might have more safety.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Now, when you mentioned that they were going to be
round up, isn't that is that Friday the thirteenth?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Correct? Yes, the origin of Friday the thirteenth, you know,
October thirteenth, thirteen oh seven, is when that took place, and.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
That's when they killed. They killed a whole bunch of
themn correct. Point on Friday the thirteenth just became unlucky.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Definitely for the templars.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Definitely for the templars, Right.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I've always wanted to ask a templar this. Yeah, we
kind of joked about the Crusades earlier. That is a
very that was a very tough time.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's a sensitive time. Yeah, it was a very.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Tough time for the Templars and and the Crusades in general. Yes,
I always wanted to ask, you know, if you follow
Christ christ Is true teachings, not the Roman Catholics, but
the actually the truth teachings.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
He never once.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Said I need you to kill anybody who doesn't will
ask killed anybody who does.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Not believe you? And all that stuff. How did you
how did that become what it became. That's a great question,
and I'm really glad you asked it. Actually, So first
of all, we have to set the side the stage
where we put ourselves in the time of the people
living there. Correct, And for almost two hundred years Europeans

(07:48):
were being attacked by uh, basically like terrorist organizations you
know of the Middle East of the day, the more
the Mores and everything else. I mean, they're they're in
the the Barbary Pirates, the you know, there were different
groups that were relentlessly tacking Europeans, and so people were

(08:11):
tired of that, you know, after two hundred years of that,
and that's part of what led to the Crusades. Now,
the Templars actually weren't involved in any of that at first.
They when the Template Order was founded, their only objective
was there there there. They had a secret agenda and
they had a public agenda. The secret agenda was they

(08:33):
knew that if the Crusades happened they were going to
get out of hand, and that there were there were
there were texts, and there were artifacts, and there were
holy treasures that were in places like Jerusalem and other
places around the Middle East. That would be the sacrifice

(08:53):
of the Crusades, that they would these things would be
rounded up, they'd be given to the Roman cheer, and
they would disappear because they didn't fit with the narrative
that the Roman Church was trying to do at the time.
So part of the reason why the Templar Order was
founded was to convert, convertly go into these areas and

(09:14):
try to secure this stuff and hide it from the
Roman Church itself to ensure it survived. These included things
like apocryphal and gnostic texts that painted a different picture
of Christianity than what the Roman Church was perpetuating at
the time. The outside, the official purpose of the founding

(09:40):
of the Templar Order was to protect pilgrims on their
way to the Holy Land, and it's important to realize
that the Templar Order wasn't just protecting Christian pilgrims on
the way to the Holy Land. They're protecting Jewish pilgrims
on the way The Holy Land. They're protecting Muslims on

(10:01):
their way to the Holy Land. It wasn't discriminatory. I mean,
it was literally giving everybody the opportunity to worship as
they chose in holy space, very christlike, you know, that
was the idea. Now, later on they ended up having
to get pulled into fighting along with some of the

(10:23):
other knighthood orders at the time, and the big the
big knighthood order was the Knight's Hospitality at the time,
which later became known as the Knights of Malta, and
they were the but they were also like the Teutonic Knights.
There were there were all kinds of different knighthood orders
that were fighting on the cruise.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
But the Templar has got a lot of press.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
They got a lot of press because they were good
at fighting when they had it too. And they they
truly believed that that the soul survived this body and
it didn't really matter so much if you ended up dying.

(11:03):
What mattered is what you're living for. And so in
their mind they really believe that, Okay, look, if we're
going to be pulled into this, you know, we can
defend people. If we die defending people, there's worse. It's
a good death.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. You know, at that time, though,
there was still a lot of conversations about the soul
and the body completely. It's not like, yeah, there's still
a lot of conversations today about the soul and the
body and what happens and if we have multiple lives, right,

(11:44):
and all that kind of stuff. But it seemed like
they were very I mean it sounds and not exactly
like Samurai, very similar, very honorable. It's a good death
to fight. I mean even even the spartans like, it's
a good death to fight.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, and they recognize your competitor as the true word
of the true meaning of the competition, which is calm
is with like you you are with the person you're fighting.
You know, the idea that they are helping you become better.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know, that's very it's a very spiritual way of
looking at this.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's how they had to look
at it.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
You know, when did they actually start What were the
years that they after Christ?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, so officially the Templar Order was started as early
as ten ninety six.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, so it's a while after.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah. Most most historians put it founding around eleven eighteen.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
But just generally around that time.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, as around that time, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So it's significantly a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah. And one of the things that will surprise most
people probably on this show and anyone who looks into it,
is one of the things that the spiritual doctrines that
the Template Order was perpetuating is they set up relations
with these different groups all throughout Europe and they practiced

(13:07):
something that was known as the consolamentum. And what is
significant about this consolamentum is it basically means that if
you receive this right, it means you don't have to
reincarnate anymore unless you choose to.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
So they believed in re incarnation.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
They believed in reincarnation back then in the in the west, correct,
not the east. The East was all over that, that's right. Yeah,
so you have to manage. So the Temple Order largely
came out of a group known as the Albigensian.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
How old is that group?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
They go back even further. It probably came out of Manicheism,
you know, which dates to around one hundred and fifty
to three hundred.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Closer to Christ, right exactly. It's Christ is a very figure,
a central figure in the nice Templar and all of
those all the way through.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Inso much as the Templar order and the Albergensians before
them that they came out of recognized Christ or the
Christos as a universal consciousness. They saw Jesus as like
their brother, So Jesus, Jesus. When Jesus was speaking as

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the Christ, he was speaking as the universal consciousness.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So he was so they understood christ consciousness, which is
or Buddha consciousness or something like that at a at
a at a time where that was not even on
the radar of most most people at that especially in
the thousand year mark. Well, Christ is the is God,
Christ is the Savior everything that they're looking at Christ as. No,

(14:39):
he's our brother, he's here to teach us, that's right.
But when he speaks, he speaks for Christ consciousness, universal
conscious correct, and otherwise he's just Jesus.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And and even Jesus they recognized as an esoteric name
or an initiate name. Yeah, so like yes, you you know,
there were there were even aspects to that name. For example,
in Greek, Jesus it's Dews. Yeah, but if you apply

(15:10):
gematria to it, which is the science in which letters
are a place with numbers, the sum total of that
name is eight hundred and eighty eight or eight eight
eight you mean Jesus, right, which to the Templars represented
what was known as the Agood, which was the eighth
sphere of consciousness that transcends our physical form. So they

(15:35):
they recognized the seven what are known as the seven
Seals in revelations as the seven chakra, and so the
opening of each seal represented the death of our old
perception of the world and the awakening to a new
state of universal consciousness. And so the eighth sphere then

(15:56):
represented the nosis. It represented the divine experiential knowledge enlightenment.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I mean, you're you're shocking me right now. You're
like blowing my mind right now, because I did not
think that the Knights Temple are where that spiritually evolved
to the point of you're talking about thousands of years
of Eastern thought, the Vedic texts. Hey, yeah, Yogic philosophy.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah. In fact, fact, did they overlap? How do they
completely overlapped? In fact, if you if you read there's
a book that was published in the twelve hundreds by
the Templars in Spain and it was known as Parsival
by wilfrom van Neschenbach. And in the story it talks

(16:39):
about how the Templars are the guardians of the Holy
Grail and some other things like this, but it also
refers to this sacred kingdom in India where the Grail,
where the Grail guardians end up going to and end
up that's where they're living their life out of it.
And it's really what they're pointing to was this philosophy

(17:02):
and the knowledge from India. I mean, think about think
about it. You know. One of the things that you'll
see regularly in India's you'll see a three faced idol,
you know, right and it represented you know, the different
aspects of Krishna and right so, and one of the

(17:26):
things that the Templars were accused of worshiping when they
were persecuted in thirteen oh seven was a three faced
idol that was referred to as Bephame, you know, but
it was it's the same thing. It was the same thing.
They were gaining lots of knowledge from India and Indian
philosophy that matched and meshed perfectly with their version of

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Christian thought at the time.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Now I wanted to ask you it's another question I've
always wanted to find out about.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Is the cross.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, the cross on the lapel. Sure, that's a very
famous cross bin, right, It's been taken by many, many
different cultures and things. But the first signs of it,
and please correct me if I'm wrong, is Sumerian. Sumerian
inside of like in engravings on walls and tablets and things.
So how did how did that get from the Sumerians

(18:21):
to the templar?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right? So, so Yeah, oftentimes in summer you'll see the
gods known as the Ananaki. Sure they they're wearing that
same cross. And from a templar standpoint, it's an equal
arm cross first of all. And people have associated with

(18:44):
lots of things, including in modern days the photon under
a microscope kind of looks like that. But the to
the templar, the vertical arm always represented spiritual ascent and
spiritual the horizontal armors represented material things and materiality, and

(19:06):
so the combination of the two represented spiritualizing the material
and materializing the spiritual. And the way you do that
is through consciousness. Right, the medium that unites both the
physical and the spiritual is consciousness, and so it is
understanding the nature of consciousness really and by doing that

(19:27):
we can understand how these two extremes unite. And it
was red specifically because red it was the color of blood,
but it was also the color of transformation and action

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within the Templar tradition.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Throughout history, it seems like the cross, specifically the original
cross is that sure has always played a part in humanity,
whether it's that cross us, whether it's christ crisis cross,
whether it's the Buddhist wheel of dharma which then got
mutated into the Nazis took it into the right. Crosses

(20:14):
seemed to be a thing even in Egypt and every culture.
Why is that? Why is it from you? If if
you can answer this or not, but why is humanity
always have that kind of cross? Is this the oldest
in existence? It's like this or close to it?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, yes, one of the oldest. I mean we find
it in Uh there's a there's a culture known as
the Vinca that have a writing system from eastern Europe.
It's just the oldest that we've been able to find.
We just haven't been able to translate it yet, but
it's full of crosses as part of the symbolism. But

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even on cave art you find the cross is a
cross as a symbol, you know, being used you know,
to represent things. So there's something inherently about it in
our nature and from a from a symbolic standpoint, it
has come to associate with everything from.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
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Speaker 2 (21:27):
Obviously the things I just talked about with the materialism
and the spiritual combination, but it's also you find it
in representing the quadrants of you know, north, south, east
and east and west. It's it, it has an element
of as above so below to it, you know, I mean,

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and it's so it's it works very well for a
lot of things, fair enough, fair enough the elements the
classical elements of antiquity.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Sure, of course, So we're gonna go a little farther
back than even Egypt of the Templars. What is the
Templar's connection and understanding of Atlantis?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh yeah, so this is important. So one of the
things that the Templar Order when it was founded, specifically
it was created, as I mentioned, to go find artifacts.
I mean, for the first nine years the Templars were founded,
when they were in Jerusalem, all they were doing was

(22:27):
digging under the Temple mount looking for things. And we
know this because we found the tunnels and the where
they were digging and everything else. And in fact, my
great great grand uncle Charles Warren was later on he
was the police chief and the jack the Ripper murders.

(22:50):
But what he's also known for was doing all this
digging under the Temple mount In fact, there's a if
you go to Jerusalem today, you can go under the
Temple Mountain see all the places he was digging, and
there some of them. There's a place called Warren's Gate
that's named after him. And but really going far back,

(23:12):
what the Templar Order was trying to do was they
were trying to find artifacts. And they knew enough to
know that there were all these different cultures in Europe
initially and then as they spread out further, that they
all had flood myths. Right, they're noticing that like all

(23:33):
these cultures that weren't connected, it didn't appear to be connected,
all had these same flood myths and which they associated with,
you know, Noah in the in the the Toroh and
the Old Testament. So they started looking for evidence of

(23:53):
this flood and these flood myths, and they just kept
coming across more and more and more, and as they
went into the Middle East, they started associating with groups
like the drus and the Sabinians, and even some Christian
groups that were outside of the Catholic mainframe, like the

(24:14):
Coptic Church and others. And these people were all not
only were they perpetuating different texts about the apocryphal texts
about the flood and that type of thing, but they
were also translating Greek texts that had never been seen

(24:36):
the light of day, you know, in two thousand years,
including the works of Plato, and these myths were also
talking about a flood, right, And so they began to
recognize that, yeah, there was probably some sort of a
universal flood in antiquity. Plus Plato is talking about out this,

(25:01):
you know, this this civilization known as Atlantis, and they
quickly realized they were talking about the same thing. That
the that the the flood myths of Noah were the
same myths as the Atlanta's myth of of right. And
so so the artifacts that they began to look for

(25:23):
then were evidence of this high technology and this high
spiritual philosophy from this time of Atlantis. Now, with further exploration,
one of the things that against uh it's not standard history,
but will become so in my opinion, years ahead with

(25:46):
the proof that's adding up, is the Templars were also
traveling over to the new world of the Americas hundreds
of years before Columbus.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Really, so where do they call? How through through the
same thing through ships or did the top Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Through ships? And they they and they were they began
meeting with different native tribes who had their own flood myths.
They were trading silver with the Mayans down in uh
Mexico area, Central America area, and they and they had
their own flood myths. And not only did they have
their own flood myths, but like the Nuauto cultures of Mexico,

(26:25):
they referred to their homelands as Atslan well and it
had been destroyed by a flood. Well, it's not too
much of a stretch, right guys, that Otslon and aslon
tiss are the same thing, right, So you know the
templar and not only that, but the Templar order had

(26:46):
a ritual that they performed, but they still performed this day.
That includes several elements to it, but one of which
is the candidate presented with a handshake, a specific handshake,
and they're told that this handshake was what was given

(27:08):
to all of the cultures in antiquity before they were separated,
right when everyone was still working together at this time,
referred to as atlantis, they had this hand grip to
recognize each other by, and then they went on their
different ways, right and to this day, there are several

(27:30):
cultures that still perpetuate this secret handshake. And so when
the Templars came over to the New World and they
started giving this grip, it was recognized by certain cultures
including the Mayans who's still in the Hopie, and the
Mandan and the Mgma, and you know a number of
different tribes, the Blackfeet they perpetuated. So they they all

(27:58):
knew that they were perpetuating the ideas from the same
root tradition and uh. And by the way, they also
shared this grip with certain groups in the Middle East.
And this is so how this is how the Templars
were able to get around and move around and put
their ship in places with no problem. You know, at

(28:18):
a time when like certain Muslim factions were attacking everybody else,
but they weren't attacking the templars.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
So did they Did they ever find any of the
technology or anything any proofs of the Atlantis?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes, so they definitely found, uh, not only some of
the philosophical ideas associated with with Atlantis, but they did
find technology, in particular in the form of what are
known as what we would refer to today as like
the Arc of the Covenant was a actually an Atlantean

(28:54):
technology power source, was a power capacitor. And we found
several of these, not just in Jerusalem, by the way,
but a lot of them were found in Egypt.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
So there's not just one.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
There's not just one. There were probably hundreds at one
point in time.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Indiana Jones lied to us, is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It was a it was a good approximation of the truth. Yeah,
I mean, but you know, but there was so our
order has found six we know where there's potentially four more,
totally ten, but they're in all. Actually there are probably
one hundred at one point in time.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So these so these kind of and I've heard that
the that the Arc was a power thing, and yeah, uh,
some sort of power generator of some sort. Do you
know what was inside that caused? Because I heard there's
like there was the Ethiopian one yea, that got apparently
to the second that documentary came out, they went in
and took it because it was like four old guys
right right right, But anyone who got near it was

(29:55):
it was radiation poisoning.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, they have raiation type.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Of symptoms and things like that. So what was inside
of it? Do you know?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah? So what was put insight? So the ARC was
built with alternating layers of basically gold, and the Bible
says a Cassia would which is probably pretty accurate. Casia
has high concentrations of these platinum monoatomic elements in them.

Speaker 1 (30:28):

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Well, the other thing you could put you put in
the arc is you can actually extract these and convert
platinum metals into these monoatomic states. When you do that,
first of all, it just appears as a white powder. Secondly,
it becomes super conductive. And so when you put a

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super to conductive substance in a static capacitor, it just
builds up a tremendous amount of electricity. You can also
add a catalyst to it, like pomegranate juice or something
like an acid, and and it will, Yeah, it'll just
work as this giant battery.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
That it just keeps generating. It just keeps.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Generating itself, you know, free energy. Yeah. And if you
put this in like in a desert condition or or
in a tabernacle like Moses did, which had wool curtains,
you know, which is that all that would help to
build up and generate the electricity and then it would
just discharge through the top. The belief was that these

(31:43):
things were originally put in pyramids you mean like the Pyramid, Yeah,
like the Great Pyramid, but other ones around the world,
specifically to the pyramids, that their their payzeo electric from
the granite and the silicon the granite as they get

(32:04):
pushed together with pressure, they generate electricity in itself. In fact,
if you have ever used one of those lighter things
that have the long thing that you know, barbecue let
barbecue lighter, most people think that there's there must be

(32:24):
a battery or something. It's not. It's it's actually pays
the electric because the there's a little stones in there,
and as they get pushed together that they produce the
electricity the little spark, right, But it works the same
way with the Great Pyramid, I mean the big those
heavy stones, as they're pressing against each other, they helped

(32:45):
just that helps to produce the electricity.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
And in the King's Chamber there's that the box, the
box that they thought was a sarcophagus. But there's no
no writing anywhere on the pyramids.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Right, but if you're to put one of these arcs
on in that, it would just generate tremendous amount of electric.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Rooms specifically, the King's Chamber specifically, is designed in such
a way.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean the sound there, yeah, energy incredible.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's it's so precise. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it can. I
mean just it's insane to think of it as that's right, a.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Place of Yeah, and it used to be too that
the sarcophagus was in a different place in that King's chamber.
It was more centralized in it. They ended up moving
it at one point in time. But it's yeah, all
that there was just like a world grid of these
different temples all over the world. Yeah that had they

(33:37):
had these arcs in them, and then it would just
they just generate the electricity for the world, and it
was very you could just plug and and the other
thing too is we think one of the other things
we also see is like temples around Egypt, they have
these perimeters. Komombo is a good example of this for

(33:58):
anyone who's studies Egypt's stuff, where they have these perimeter
of stones and the stones have what are called butterfly
clamps between the stones. Well, those used to be filled
with metal like copper, and so you just have this
like it's almost like a zipper of these metal holdings

(34:21):
that went around the temple. And what that would do
is that that would just pick up on the electricity
being broadcasted and then you could just literally your temple
could run itself, you know, off of whatever you put
had in there that needed to use electricity for including healing.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
So so then let me ask you the six arcs
that they've found that the templars found. I assumed that
they seem they seem to be a little bit more
evolved spiritually and consciously to understand that you couldn't just
let this fall into the wrong hands. Because Genghis Khan
with this kind of power.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Alexander the Great.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, examples, Yeah, causes problems like giving them a news
like you can't do it right. So they were protectors
of this technology, making sure it didn't fall in the
wrong hands.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Correct. Yeah, yeah, that was the main thing they Yeah,
they didn't want to fall into the wrong hands. They
also didn't want the symbolic value of the arc or
the arcs to be missed. And that is you know,
if you look at how a temple is built, and
this is how the Templars would build temples. I mean,

(35:32):
in fact, the Templars helped to build the cathedrals, the
initial the initial cathedrals, they were the you're the ones
building those of more dominant such.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
And the St. Peter's said, lookok, they.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Didn't build Saint Peter's, but but they did, but Saint
Peter Peters became uh. Was was based on earlier temples
that had been being built. But that but the science
behind this building was was basically like the building was
a macrocosm of the human body, which was a microcosm. Right,

(36:07):
So as you go into a building like a cathedral,
the baptismal fonts at the area, the belly button, the
choirs at the area of the lungs. The priest speaks
from the area of the heart, and the sacrament is
kept at the period period of the third eye, you know,
or there was known as the Nazar in the ancient world.

(36:30):
So the arc, being a communication device with God, was
placed in the Sanctum sanctorum of the Tabernacle, right, the
Holy of Holies of the Tabernacle. And so using the
macrocosm of the building to the microcosm of the human form,

(36:55):
the arc actually represented as the communication device with God.
It represented the area of the pineal gland where the
third eye, where that arc was placed. And so symbolically speaking,
it says that look where your third eye is, that's

(37:16):
where your communication device is with God. Right, it's implying
that we are all walking temples, and literally hence hence
why that's right between that's at the area of your temple. Right,

(37:36):
that's not why they call it that. That's why it's
called the temple, and that each one of us, through
our own divine connection, are tapped into that universal consciousness
of the Creator, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
What I find so fascinating about our conversation so far,
tim is at the Templars, their their their public fame
is not what we're having a conversation about, right it's
generally mostly about the Crusades, about the Grail, which we're
going to get into a second, the Ark of the Covenant.
I am just I have so much more love now

(38:16):
for the Templars because they seem like the the Guardians,
the the the Jedi of their day. They especially were
the Jedi of their day. They were defending honor, they're
protecting there, you know, and they.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, they got pulled into.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
The Crusades a bit because it's like, ah, because every
at certain point like either you coming with us or
you're gonna right especially, but but what you're talking about
these you're the order seems to be and it's even
like a Jedi order, it's called an order. Has this
this real deep connection two ideas that we're now truly

(38:54):
exploring as a society as as our society. Ancient stuff, right,
like we said, what talking about six eight thousand years
maybe even older ideas which are now starting to bubble
up into these kinds of conversations that are publicly put
out in the world, where fifteen years ago not so much.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well, soon as you know, as soon as we had
the Internet where we could start talking with people on
other sides of the globe, you know, and sharing ideas
and recognizing like wait a minute, yeah, there's wait, we
have a lot more. I mean it used to be, right,
the best way you could figure out what other cultures
were doing is you took what a pilgrimage right. When

(39:34):
you took a pilgrimage allowed you to see that, like,
there are other cultures and other people out there that
are practicing and doing the same thing that you're doing
and maybe labeled differently, but it's I mean, when a
Christian from Europe who was practicing baptism first went to

(39:58):
India and saw a bunch of people bathing in the
Ganges River right as a sacred form of cleansing, it's like, oh,
it's baptism, right. It's just it's just under a different name,
under a different religion, but it's the same thing. Uh.
And that's part of what a pilgrimage allowed you to do.
And that's what the templars were protecting, was pilgrims right.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
So they could go and enjoy and and grow their
understanding of the world.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's exactly right, and that's.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I think one of the biggest problems we have here
in America, specifically that most don't ever leave the country.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, completely, that they are just so.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Stuck in a myth. And you know, I love America.
I love being here. It's wonderful. But when you go
out of the country, we'll be right back after a
word from our sponsor. And now back to the show.
And you go to Europe and you go to other

(40:56):
areas of the world, you start seeing things.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
You're like, oh, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
This is different. Oh, oh, the food's a bit different.
Oh this and now you know, we're in America's a
meltic pot. So we had a lot of these.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Chartures come here.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
When you go out to these other worlds and you
start walking at the same place as you read about
for sure, you know, and you're like, oh, wow, this
is different. It really does open you and educate you
in a way that a university can't.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
That's true, and a book can't. Yeah, and you may
even come across things. I have a it's so interesting.
In my travels, I've encountered certain cultures that just aren't
written about. Right. Oh, yeah, there's a Western worlds, so
like you encounter them, you get to know them, you

(41:43):
get to know their philosophies and so on and so forth.
And then you know, I came back to the US
and I started writing about them, and it was like,
now we live in a world where they're trying to
even censor what's going on? Did you They're trying online,
They're trying so like, you know, I'll get fact checked

(42:05):
on this group that nobody knows about, you know, like
because it hasn't been written about in the Western world
and like in a large amount, you know. So so
it's it's a very interesting time, you know it is.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I think trying to do that is very difficult on
the Internet. It's just it's right on.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Both sides of it's an echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Right, Trying to race trying to erase anything off the
Internet is like trying to take the eggs out of
the cake.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, like it just even with the templar stuff. I
can reveal documents from the twelve hundreds that talk about
like the Consolimentum, for example, and the Internet will want
to argue with me, well, no, that's not true, because
this is the box we want to keep the templars in.

(42:59):
You know we're where they're just Roman Catholic guardians, you know,
and it's like but they never really word.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So yeah, it sounds like the Roman the Roman Catholics
and the Templars didn't really see.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Ey to eye. No, I mean they had they were
they they received Roman Catholic patronage for a while in
exchange for the Templars would answer to the pope and
protection and protection. They would protect Roman Catholics and they
you know that they would the the Templars will come
back and they help to do things like build cathedrals

(43:32):
and such, you know, for the template for the Roman Catholics.
But it wasn't like so like the Internet will tell you,
when the Templar order was suppressed by the Roman Catholic Church,
well then that was the end of the Templar order
because the Roman Catholic POWERTRUC power structure was the all

(43:54):
dominant thing of the day. And there's no way you
could exist without that. You know, It's just isn't the truth,
you know, it's just just not the truth.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
So being a recovering Catholic myself, fair enough, I understand completely,
uh that that whole world. And on the show we
talk a lot about that that that that entity specifically
power structure and what it did and how it continues
to do continue.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And many largest land owner in the world.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Largest landowner in the world, so much money, so much money,
that's not even funny. And even though you know, and
I love to hear your thoughts, though at a certain
point in time, even in our lifetime, the Roman Catholic
Church was an impenetrable monolith. Completely Today though it's different.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
There's there's cracks.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Now and people are not buying, they're not buying what
they're selling anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, yeah, and that's not to say. And I'll tell you,
like from a templar perspective, we have Roman Catholic members
who enjoy all the time, no problem. We have no problem,
absolutely because because we recognize that the seed of God,
what we call the sacred Flame, is within everybody and

(45:12):
every culture and every religion, every culture, every religion. So
we have no problem. We have no problem with Roman Catholicism.
And Roman Catholicism has done a lot of charity and
good for the world, absolutely, you know, and that shouldn't
be thrown out. And they continue to do great work.
The thing that's changing is that people are less likely

(45:37):
to just be coming from a place where they just
worship these things outside of themselves and follow these rules
that are being given to them through random.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
People without real contemplation.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Without real contemplation.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
It's exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And you see that not only within Christianity, but with
all the religions. I mean, you see that within Buddhism,
you see that within Islam. I mean, like Islam for example,
has you know, it has the Kuran, which was given
to the prophet Muhammad through revelation, divine revelation. But then

(46:19):
you have all these other things called hadiths, which were
the supposed saying of Mohammed, Peace be upon him. But
who you know, they were created by his generals after
he was dead, and if he had actually said everything

(46:43):
that is said in all of the hidisi, Mohammad would
have had to have lived, you know, one hundred years
longer than he actually did. So we know these were
created by people trying to impose power, you know, their
power and control on others in the same script, different movies,
same same script, different movies. So this happens everywhere, and

(47:07):
it falls upon each person to be able to look
within themselves and determine what resonates with them and why
and is it is it kind? Is it hurting someone
else based? Is it fear based? Exactly? And and you
have to sort those things out for yourself.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Absolutely absolutely. Now I want to go down the road
of the grail. The grail is one of the most
famous artifacts in the world. A templar made a cameo
in Last Crusade.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And the Holy Grail, which is the couple of Christ
at the Last Supper.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
From my understanding, okay, that's it's one of the interpretations.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Well exactly, that's why I'm saying to my understanding. So again,
I'm a filmmaker, so I'm sure pull most.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Of my knowledge. It's all good.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
So what is from the templar point of view? What
was the grail? What was there? What was their part
in the grail legend, the grail myth, protecting the grail,
hiding all of that. So let's go down the grail.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Okay, Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
The first, the first place in history where the word
grail shows up is an ancient sumer and it and
it was referred to as gral, and it was g
r a dot a l and this name for gral
Ger Grail was associated with the alchemical science of ancient Sumer,

(48:34):
and i'd say alchemical science alchemy. The word alchemy actually
comes from Alkem, which was ancient name for Egypt. Ke
was agent for Egypt, but it was alchemy was the
science of transmutation. So how do you take something of
lesser value and transmute it into something of greater value?

(48:59):
And you know, that was the science of alchemy of transmutation.
The name of that in ancient Sumer was graul Okay,
so that's the earliest origin of that name. By the
Middle Ages of Europe, European Middle Ages, so you know,

(49:20):
eleven hundreds twelve hundreds, the Grail was still being associated
on some level with transmutation. The myth of the Grail
story is that there's this there's this king who's in
charge of the Grail. He ends up running off and

(49:45):
leading a charge in the name of love, but it
was not love. It was really lust, right, and he
ends up he ends up getting wounded in his Some
legends say it's his thigh, others say it was basically

(50:05):
his genitals. But he ends up he ends up getting
wounded and as a result, he gets very sick. The
legends say that he can't he can't sit, but he
can't stand. He's alive, but he's hardly alive. But he's

(50:26):
also not dead, you know, he's in this torn between
the state of dualities. And by the way his nose,
the Fisher King, it's the name of them, right, which is.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Right, we'll be right back after a word from our
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Speaker 2 (50:49):
But it's it's really it's alluding to the age of Pisces,
which is torn between dualities. Right, everything's black and white,
good or evil, like, there's no So according to these myths,
the Fisher King can only be healed through the Holy Grail.

(51:10):
And even though he was in charge of the grail
because he had led this charge and lust and not
in true love, he is now being denied the very
thing that he is supposed to that could heal him.
And it requires someone else to find that grail and

(51:33):
administer it to the Fisher King in order to heal him.
And there's an as above slow below relationship between the
king and the land, because as he gets sick, the
land also gets sick. Right, so crops stop growing, disease
and famine starts to spread across the planet, and so

(51:54):
everyone's pretty miserable. And so this is the whole reason
why the Knights have to go on this quest to
find the Grail so they can heal the fisher King
to therefore heal the land that's suffering. And so that's
the legend as far as King Arthur goes.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
But is the grail in this legend associated to Christ.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
It is sort of, so it's it's it's it says
that the Templars specifically are the guardians of this grail,
and that it is associated with the blood of Jesus.
Right now, when we say the blood of Jesus, this

(52:40):
is even more complicated because in the Middle Ages, the
blood of Christ represented not only Jesus' blood, but it
also represented an alchemical substance that was could be extracted
did out of nature, which had these healing properties. And

(53:06):
it just so happens that the same elixir, if you will,
was described in ancient myths of ancient Summer of ancient Egypt,
and ancient Egypt it was know as the blood of Osiris,
but it was the same thing, script different movie, you know,

(53:26):
And and and even the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is
one of the earliest flood myths right on the planet.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
It's the earliest story that they had correct.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Correct, But what is you know, what's he trying to
do in this story. He's trying to find this elixir
of immortality, right, fountain of youth. So this was it
was the same thing. It was just applied.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
To.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
You know, this thing called the grail later on is
a cup? Well, that's the thing. It's sometimes depicted as
a cup. Sometimes it's depicted as a as a bowl.
Sometimes it's depicted as a emerald. Sometimes it's depicted as
a emerald cup.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
So when, at what point in history did the Catholics
I'm assuming ye pick up this story and say, no,
this was actually the cup of Christ at the Last
Supper and that's what this is. At what point did
that myth or that story get taken over?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So right around the by some estimates, uh, you know,
right around one thousand years after Christ's.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Around when you guys were being formed.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Correct, because there was there were earlier Celtic myths as well,
talking about a sacred cauldron, more the druid and more
druid stuff. Yeah, and then there, and then and then
sometimes it's even depicted as a head, this like a
severed head. So hence it became associated with John the
Baptist's head, you know, and in certain myths as well.

(55:10):
So all these things have symbolic meaning behind them that
all appoint to what it really is.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
But it just seems like throughout history there's a group somewhere.
It doesn't have to be the Catholics, but just in general,
there's always a group that picks up on a storyline.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
And runs with it. And we're like, you know, we're
going to take.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
That and we're gonna do and go with this. Because
the only grail that I know of, and of course
it probably has a lot to do with Indiana Jones,
because that's I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Grail is right behind you, by the way.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I don't know if you notice that or not.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That's the girls behind you.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So that is the idea that most people in the
West have. It's oh, it's a couple of.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Christs, right, It's a receptacle that contains the blood of Christ.
But you have to ask what's the book? Well, first
of all, what's Christ? From a temporary perspective, Christ is
a you niversal consciousness and demand. So what's the blood
of the universal consciousness? Was the life force of the
universal consciousness. And this is where the message, where the

(56:11):
real mystery is is what is the connecting point between
the universal consciousness of the Creator in our individual consciousness?
And it's when you get to that point, that meeting
point between where the individual consciousness stops and the universal
consciousness begins. That's the secret of the gril. That's the

(56:35):
point where when you partake of that, you know, you're
opening yourself up to enlightenment or gnosis. Right, And so
that was the real mystery of what was behind it,
and they they recognized that there were certain alchemical substances
that could be created that helped to open your mind
to that. You know, I would some would say, you know,

(57:00):
this is where you're getting into some uh, you know,
psychedelic type of stuff. You know. But I mean, but
even like like for example, someone takes d MT or oh,
so you're talking.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
About so this al chemical idea, it could either it
could be psychedelics.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
It could be it could be it could be mushrooms. Yeah,
I if you if you take that and it opens
your perception to the other side the other side in
this higher universal consciousness.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
That could also be the grail that live in the
correct So these stories of the Templars moving the grail
and protecting the grail throughout history, how is that?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah? So so that then then it gets tied into
the fact that there's also a belief a knowledge within
the Templar tradition that the Temple traditions passed down that
not only was there a great prop fit who we

(58:03):
now recognize as Jesus, and that he was a person
just like any one of us, but he had access
to the greater secrets of universal consciousness. But he was
also according to the Templar tradition, he was also married

(58:24):
to Mary Magdalene, who herself was a great initiate, and
according to Templar tradition, she was actually married to John
the Baptist, who was meant to be the original Messiah
figure original the Dude, but he died before he could
complete that mission. So Jesus took the mission over from him,

(58:47):
And that there are certain family lineages that came out
of that who have protected that philosophy over the centuries,
and that that philosophy was not always in line with
what the power structure's philosophies were at the time.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Generally always never exactly because truth never generally leans on where.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
The power structure correct. Yes, so places a different emphasis
on some of the meanings of the sacred texts, right.
I mean, if you, for example, if you believe in
reincarnation based on and you could back it up with
things you're reading in the New Testament, well that's going

(59:34):
to be very different than what the standard Christian power
structure is. Of what they're saying the interpretation is.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I mean, you could actually in the Bible there is
still remnants of reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
A couple things here at Yeah, I mean, there's a
great passage where the disciples go to Jesus that they say, Jesus,
the people are saying the prophet Elias has come back,
and and Jesus says, well, he has come back, it's
just not everybody's recognized him yet. And it says and
then the disciples understood he was talking about John the Baptist. Well,

(01:00:10):
we know we know who John the Baptist's parents were.
So if John the Baptist is the prophet Elias has
come back, the only way he could be coming back
is the reincarnation. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Just so, when you said that Jesus is married in
the other shows, it might be a shock.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It was we've spoken about this time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
But I'm fascinated that the Templars have that same beliesa
so now it's another chip on that side of the
story because I've heard that from the East for sure,
hind the Hindus, of course, the Tibetans have a long
history of Jesus actually was married. And I'd love to
ask you this and tell me if I'm what you

(01:00:55):
what the Templars think that he actually didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Die, correct, Yeah, yeah, he survived the crucifixion and and
he went on had kids to India. In fact, hundred percent.
In fact, if you go to Rosalind Chapel in Scotland,
which was built by the Templars.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
And you go and you look at the crucifixion that's
found near the front of the you know, the sanctum
area of the chapel. Go and look behind it. You'll
see a guy on a ladder who's actually untying Jesus
to let him down so you can like walk away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
So but he was tied, not nailed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
He was tied not Now, the symbolism of the nail
comes in from uh in Hebrew. The Hebrew letter vow
means nail and it has a a a numeric value
of six. Right. So, and the word the letter that

(01:02:10):
represents a cross in Hebrew is tao, which is the tav,
which is the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet. Well,
tav means cross, okay, and tav is made up of
three of the Hebrew letter vow. So at the end
of the Hebrew alphabet you have a cross in three

(01:02:32):
nails symbolically right, And each one of those vows, which
means nail, has a numeric value of six, So six
sixty six, right, which has nothing to do with the
devil in the ancient world, had everything to do with transformation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Well, there was no devil in there's no there's no
there's no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Hell, there's no devil. Yeah, it represented six to six
represented transformation. That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And so the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Fact that you find that in the Hebrew alphabet, their
alphabet suggests that there's a symbolic language that was going
on that was being passed down by what we would say,
would be the initiates of that tradition, the families of
that tradition, and that philosophy is still passed down. So

(01:03:22):
what matters is not about the bloodline. Is not so
much that oh, Jesus and Mary Magdalene had magical powers
and they're passing on their magical powers through some sacred
blood line. Had nothing to do with that, had to
do with the fact that their bloodline was passing down
a different interpretation of these sacred texts than what is

(01:03:47):
being perpetuated by the establishment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Now, Mary Magdeical, she's such an interesting figure in history
because the powers that be could not have a female
with the kind of powers or enlightenment or you know,
being an avatar sending master. That can't happen because if
we did that, then there have to be female priests.

(01:04:11):
Then we can't do that all that kind of stuff.
So we can't do any of that. So she's literally
thrown out as the whore of the town, and she
just happens to hang around because she could. They couldn't
get rid of her completely because she was too much
in the historical text. So they're like, okay, let's just
change your character because generally speaking a man, a Jew
like Jesus at that time period, they would be married.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
They'd have to be married, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Because he was a preacher, so he had to part
of that culture.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And not only that, but you have to remember too
that in that region at the time, you had Jerusalem,
which was largely there were traditional Jewish elements there, right,
there were practicing which we know historically, but just outside
of that, I mean, like you're talking less than one

(01:05:06):
hundred miles away, you have groups like the Canaanites that
were they were really the descendants of the Phoenicians, and
the Canaanites had their own tradition that was ninety nine
percent the same as the Jewish tradition, only it had

(01:05:29):
that one percent or that two percent difference that made
them unique in their own thing. And and part of
what is included in that is the Canaanites they did
have female priests. They were allowed to have female priests.
So it wouldn't have been unusual at all for someone

(01:05:50):
like Mary Magdalen to have come out of that tradition.
And Jesus, by the way, and then by the time
they go to Jerusalem, you know, you have the Jewish
priest like a maze that here's this guy Jesus, if
they'd never encountered before, who knew all their mysteries, even
though he didn't grow up with them. Well, of course
he would, because he learned it all on the Phoenician side,

(01:06:12):
you know, the Canaanite side, and where it wasn't an
issue at all. So and and by the way, both
those traditions came out of the Egyptian tradition, the mystery
schools of Egypt. So of course they're going to have similarities,
and of course they're going to be All you have

(01:06:32):
to do, all you have to do from a from
a linguistic standpoint is look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs for
each letter of the alphabet, right, then look at the
compare it to the Phoenician and you'll see that the
Phoenician is just a like a shorthand version of the

(01:06:53):
Egyptian hieroglyphs. And then compare the Phoenician to the the
the the Hebrew, and you could see the Hebrew came
out of it. Right, So there's an exact correlation between
the ancient Egyptian and the Hebrew via the Canaanite or
the Phoenician and so they they I am sure that

(01:07:19):
that Jesus and Mary Magdalene and and even John the
Baptists were probably had been schooled in that Phoenician Canaanite
tradition and uh, which was just so similar to the
Jewish that it it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Was just it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
But it's just enough, you know what I mean. It's
it's like the difference between human and a chimpanzee, you know,
is that it's a very but it's a huge two percent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Now going back, because John the Baptist is also a
very interesting character. I really have spoken a lot about
John Baptist, but in this show, but from the templar's
point of view, what did what was the position of
John the Baptist in this narrative of Jesus of Mary Magdalene?
Was he, you know, essentially kind of like as an avatar?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Or yeah, he goes even in the Christian John the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Baptist is still John the Baptist, right, but he's also
John the Baptist at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It's interesting, well, you know, even Jesus said of men
born of women, none as greater than John the Baptist,
So he's including himself in that in that description, right
when he says that from a from a templar standpoint,
John the Baptist was meant to be the leader of

(01:08:45):
that whole thing that became Christianity because he was killed early.
And why was he killed it? In well, he he
was so basically he had he had there was a
woman by the name of Solon who had who would
who had uh uh or solemn solemnly, but she had

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wanted him. It's it's implied that that she wanted to
sleep with him, and he wouldn't do it, and so
she demanded his head and power.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
She was not powerful, she.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Was that powerful and and she so she got it.
You know, he hit his head cut off for her.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
You know, it's it's a tele novella essentially. Basically the
antiquity is a telenovella, right, sure, completely as a general statement.
And did and from the templar's point of view, did
Mary Magdalene also have power?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Like very powerful? She was a very powerful, wealthy woman.
Wealthy is another thing, right, I mean the name Magdala
or magdal basically means tower, and implied that she had
this property where she had a giant tower, you know,

(01:10:02):
and that was really where she got her name from,
and that she was the one financially supporting John the
Baptist initially, and she was married to him and had
children with him, according to the templar tradition. That and
then when he was killed, you know, Jesus was like

(01:10:23):
second in command, and so he like took over the
role of John the Baptist, and as a result, Mary
Magdalene also started supporting him, and then they ended up
getting married too. And really the wedding of Kena Keena
Keena Knight, right, was really the wedding between Mary Magdalene

(01:10:49):
and Jesus. And this is why Jesus's mother was the
one who ordered him to go get more wine, right,
because she would have been the host of the wedding, right. So,
but not only that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
There was a historical physical aspect to these stories, but
then there was also a mythological symbolic aspect to it.
So the wedding of Cana represented not only Jesus and
Mary Magdalene getting married, but Jesus and Mary Magdalene symbolically

(01:11:43):
represented something else. And this is from a mythological standpoint.
Jesus represented the Christos, the universal consciousness. Mary Magdalene represented
the Sophia, which was the goddess of wisdom, right, who
was the con source of the Cristos and who represented

(01:12:08):
the human soul. And the idea that the human soul
as it goes through its incarnation, as as it incarnates
here on this planet, it gets lost in the dualities,
It gets lost in the everything appears as separate, right

(01:12:32):
and in pieces and separate from ourselves, and how we
have to work through that and eventually the universal soul
weds with the universal consciousness. So she's so, is this
in the which tradition is this would be the Gnostic tradition. Yeah,

(01:12:53):
And so the idea is she represents that wisdom that us,
that human soul that has to go through that in
a sense, it becomes a prostitute, right, it has to
copulate with everything, right to understand it and to recognize
that that what it is is something bigger than all

(01:13:15):
that before it can unite with the universal consciousness and
bring it all back into oneness.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
So she was essentially almost a great Yogi as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
She was. Yeah, she would. It's depicted based on the
things she does with Jesus. It's assumed she was probably
a high priestess of the Egyptian tradition because she anoints
him with his with her hair, which was something that
the the the priestesses of Egypt would do. They would

(01:13:47):
they would actually anoint the pharaoh with crocodile fat and
would and and and frankinsense golden murder. That sounds familiar, Yeah, exactly, yeah,
I mean, in fact, that's what that's really the reason
why the pharaohs were buried with those things. But it
was a they all had symbolic value, but it was

(01:14:09):
based on this idea that in the story of Sophia, Sophia,
this is what she does. She comes to the world,
she gets lost in it. Eventually she finds her way
back to the universal consciousness of the Cristos and she
weds it. And that's that point where the universal that's

(01:14:30):
the grail, that's the point where the universal consciousness unites
with the individual consciousness, and that's where enlightenment is achieved
or nosis is achieved. And so we find that in
the story of Sophia, in the Cristos, which is being
emulated in the story of Jesus and Mary Magdalen, And

(01:14:51):
so the wedding of Kina really represents our own individual
soul wedding with the universe versus consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
When does from the templar's point of view, when does
Christ You know, I always joke like he you know,
he's twelve years old last time we see him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
YadA, YadA, YadA. He calls it on a donkey.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I'm very interested in YadA yoah, right, right from the
from the templar's point of view, when does.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
He Jesus, Well, yeah, and and from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
My understanding, yeah, uh. He went. He studied in Egypt
in the mystery school. He studied in Tibet, India, Indias
heavily as well. Wherever he went, he got kicked out
because he's a troublemaker, of course, calling all the all
the the priests of the era. At first they're like, oh,
this guy is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Wait a minute, and they're like, no, no, no, he's a troublemaker.
Is calling him out on their hypocrisy exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
But he learned from wherever he went and then eventually
brought back. Is that what the templars believe is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Well, yes, absolutely, we know, at least according to templar
records which came from other culture's records, he definitely studied
in Egypt. In fact, we even acknowledged he was initiated
in the Great Pyramid itself and that which is what

(01:16:10):
during the ceremony that the Temple Order continues to do
to this day. And that and that the Egyptian civilization
was in pretty close contact with the Indian civilization. Uh,
and it's in and they were, they were practicing similar ideas.

(01:16:31):
I mean, there's a reason why. For example, in the
Vedic tradition that you find in in India, you find
emphasis on things like Rama for example, and the Kingdom
of Rama. Well so so so Rama was was one

(01:16:54):
of a great leader in the Vedic tradition who was
perpetuating the spiritual ideas of what was to become the
entire Vedic system and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
How that goes back thousands of.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Thousands pre Egypt. Correct. Correct, But at the same time
in Egypt you find the god Raw and Mott, which
were what established universal order and power within Egypt. You know,
same idea, same names, same script, different movie, right, So

(01:17:34):
there was there was a lot of that crossover. So
there wasn't a there wasn't a problem between and so
really all that early Christianity was is it was in
early Judaism for that matter. I mean, Uh, Abraham or Abram.
So in the Old Testament, Abram became Abraham right after

(01:17:56):
he was initiated by Melchisedic. Well, and he had his
his sister wife Sarah, right, Well, that just comes from
probably comes from Abraham or or Abraham probably comes from
Brahma stretch right and uh and the sister white Sarah

(01:18:22):
vita right, which is it's just it's just transferred over
into a new new vehicle. I mean, if you look.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
At Buddha's look at Buddha's life, there's a lot of
early parts of his life that that can translate r
into Jesus myth or if you will. And that was
hundreds of years, hundreds of years before in the in
the mythos that was created. It seems like there's so

(01:18:52):
much proof outside of the narrative that we've all been sold,
Like in the Templars, I mean sure, look Templar, Templar,
ancient artifacts and ancient texts. I mean we're not talking
about one hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I mean we're talking about a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Long time ago. So it's as significant as any any
any text in antic antiquity. Sure, but yet the narrative
that has been continuously perpetrated is what we hear now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
But I think that is changing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
People are starting to discover the Gnostics, the Gnostics, the Templars,
and other stories that are going, well, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
A minute, maybe there's a little more to it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
There's a little bit more than what they told us
to which I think is one of the reasons why
there's so many people who are having trouble believing anything anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
It's true, it's true. Well, and I think I think
part of it. What it comes down to is people
have received conditioning, of course, programming growing up, programming another
another name for brainwashing. You know, of of a of
a of a certain way of looking at things, and

(01:20:05):
a certain way of looking at these texts, and a
certain way of looking at these rituals that have been
passed down through whatever religious establishment they're raised in. From
a templar perspective, we recognize that is all cultural tied
into two places and territories, but that the real essence

(01:20:27):
of it transcends all that, and that there's there's there's
usually a deeper meaning going on there, and there's and
it was usually a deeper thing that was implied when
it was set up. That's just kind of being lost.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
And that actually these different religions have more in common
with each other than they realize, and that the myths
and that the symbolism behind them tell a deeper story.
I mean, let me give you an example. So we

(01:21:18):
talked about Revelations earlier, we talked about the seven seals, right,
or the seven chakra of the the Eastern tradition. To
bring that back even further. Within the Eastern tradition, each
of the seals, each of the chakra have a certain

(01:21:39):
number of petals, right, and so the total number of
petals from the first chakra to the sixth chakra is
one hundred and forty four Right, the last chakra, which
is the thousand pedal chakra, right, the crown chakra a

(01:22:01):
few times that last seventh chakra towards the other seven
you get a total of one hundred and forty four thousand. Well,
this is really why in Revelations it talks about one
hundred and forty four thousand are saved. Right, it's alluding
to the number of pedals or the extensions out of

(01:22:23):
each chakra. That's not how people in the Western world
are used to looking at it. They look at it
as ohs one hundred and forty four thousand people. No,
it's talking about one hundred and forty four thousand possibilities
you know that came out of those seven chakra And
to reemphasize that even further, in the Western alchemical tradition,

(01:22:50):
one of the things that you learn how to produce
within the alchemy, the science of alchemy, is you produce
a since that's known as mana. Right, and this mana
is what was said to be the powerhouse behind any elixir.
It was the in the Bible, it was talks referred

(01:23:14):
to as mana from heaven, or it was considered the
sacred bread. It was the origin of the bread in
the communion. It was the buddy. But you find it
in ancient Egypt as well, being alluded to of what
goes in their arcs. Right, and this mana is it

(01:23:37):
was also called the white stone, and it was given
to he who overcometh the fact in Revelations, it says
to he who overcometh will be given the hidden Manna
and the sacred white stone. Well, in the Eastern traditions
they have the same thing. It's just referred to as Mani. Right,

(01:23:58):
So instead of Mana, it's Mani. It's the same thing.
And so when when in Tibetan mantra, when you when
you say om Mani pad me whom olm is the
word of creation, Mani is the precious white stone of illumination,
pod Me is the crown uh Lotus opening up, and

(01:24:19):
whom is the completion? Right, So say the same thing
to who he overcometh is given the Mani stone. Right.
The chinamani is another name for it, But it's the
same thing as the Mana. You know, It's just we're
not used to looking at it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
So you mentioned Abraham, and I know very little about
abrahams I'm just gonna ask you a simple question from
the templar's point of view. The I've heard of the
Abrahamic accord, Judaism, Christianity, how is that? How is that
connection made? Because those three are two work somewhat close,

(01:24:59):
there's another one that very far off and there's many
wars between all of them at this point. How did
one man, you know, support or create or help create
these three three of the major religions on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Yeah, well they're based on the idea that so when
when Abraham, So, when Abraham was initiated by Malkisedic, he
then became Abraham Melkisic was the king of pre the
king of peace from Salem.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
And what years are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
We're talking about pre Christ, obviously pre Christ, but but
after Noah, shall we.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Say, yeah, because Noah was way way back, right, so
we're talking about probably a thousand with a thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Years, Yeah, about a thousand years before Christ according to
the standard.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Because there's no judy is there judaism at that point?
There is, there's no judaism pre pre this is all
of that, all right, right, So years pre all that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
So, but the idea is that, of course, the story
is that Abraham went to sacrifice his son Isaac. He
ended up sacrificing and Ram instead, which just symbolically represented
the end of the Age of Aries, which was which

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was the Ram, you know, so he had the symbolically
sacrificed the Age of Ares in order to come into
the next stage, just like Moses had to had to
burn the Golden Calf, which represented the Age of Taurus,
in order to bring about the Age of Aries.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Is the age of Christ and all of these religious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Pisces Christ Yeah, so Christianity started right at the beginning
of the age of Pisces.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
And now which and we're going into the age of Aquarius.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Aquarius, right, which is the chalice bear, the grail, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
And we're going towards better consciousness?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
He right, exactly, which makes sense, right, And this is
why even even in Christianity it talks about how Jesus
says for the Last Supper, he says, look for the
person carrying the water jug and follow them into that house. Well,
a house was the name of a zodiacal age, and
so that represented the water bearer, the chalice bear, the

(01:27:19):
the the vase bear was the age of Aquarius, or
is the age of Aquarius that we're going into. So
each each age has these symbolic elements to it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
So back to Abraham, So.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Back to Abraham. So Abraham He's sacrificed, you know, he
sacrifices the the ram, ending the Age of Aries symbolically so,
but out of him and out of his sons basically

(01:27:54):
came all three faiths of of specifically Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
And so the whole reason why these peace projects and
it is like the Abrahamic Accords and things of that nature,

(01:28:14):
is it's it's basically saying, Okay, what's the origin of
these three religions and how do we get them to
get along. I like to say that Christianity, Islam, and
Judaism are like three teenage girls showing up to high
school wearing the same dress, right, I mean, they're so similar,

(01:28:39):
but they're going to fight like hell against each other
over it. There you wear my dress, you know. I mean,
I mean they just call it different names, but it's
the same. It's the same stuff, you know. And so
and and and uh. Islam will take even a step further.

(01:28:59):
They refer to the Korean talks about the people's referred
to as the people of the book, and these are
the people that are accepted in God's eyes. The problem
is it includes Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Sabians. So the Sabians,

(01:29:20):
this is great. So the Sabians originally were a group
that was found in Hran, which is more northern Turkey,
and they worshiped the god Hermes. As here are we
talking about her We're talking as late as around five

(01:29:43):
hundred of our current era. And so what happened is
when the Muslims came across the Sabians, they were like,
you know, when Mohammed came across the Sabians and they
were worshiping the god Hermes, he basically said, well, excuse me.

(01:30:03):
He said, well, we can't have you worshiping a pagan god,
so so change change his names to Idris, and we're
all good. So so the so the Sabians were like, cool,
we're worshiping Idris now, and which was Hermes, and so

(01:30:27):
they were accepted. So but it suggests that her medic
Hermis and hermetic writings were considered part of that tradition,
because that's what who Idris really was, was Hermes. And
that's also why.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Interestingly, if we look at like the nad Chamundi Library,
which where the apocryphal texts found in Egypt, and these
clay jars are not unlike the Dead Sea scrolls we
found a bunch of Old Testament writings, we found New
Testament writings, and we also found Hermetic writings in there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
The New Testaments were non Paul or were Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
They were they know they were non Paul. There was
no there were no Paul letters in those.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
That was a little little cleaner, a little bit closer
to the source.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah, the Templars actually, so from a Templar perspective with Paul,
they actually looked at him as a potential gnostic. But
who then later got he was on his road to Damascus,
he was taken up to the third Heaven where he
experienced Christ as a vision of light. Well, what's the

(01:31:52):
third heaven? Most both Roman Catholics, they don't know what.
There's just heaven. What's what are you talking about third Heaven? Well,
from a gnostic standpoint, third heaven was like the third
level of initiation. So they had it made total sense
to them. But what happened was there was a bishop

(01:32:13):
by the name of Aranius who wrote a book called
Against the Heredis Heresies, and it was a book written
by the Roman Church designed to specifically persecute gnostics, which
was deemed as a competing religion. So they turned Paul,
you know, Paul, which they viewed as a gnostic. They

(01:32:36):
tried to turn them into rewrite his character, so to speak,
and turn them into a more in line with Roman
Catholic doctrine and so write. At the same time that
Bishop Iranius wrote against the Heredigs heresies, he also discovered

(01:32:56):
these new letters of Paul that had never existed before,
where where Paul is condemning gnostics and stuff, you know.
So it's it was like a revisionist, you know, control
the past, you can control the future, right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
So yeah, if they were good at that, right exact,
no question. Now I'm gonna go a little farther, a
little farther down the line with the Templars, who were
the presiding Brethren that counted Benjamin Franklin as one of
their own.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Oh sure, so by it. So we're moving forward quite
a bit in history.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
We jumped we've been in this show.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
So keep in mind thirteen fourteen Templar orders completely suppressed.
Move forward to the seventeen hundreds. Uh, you know, the
order has remained largely underground. It is it is taken
on new expressions in the form of Freemasonry, which which

(01:33:58):
come from the Templar correct. Yeah, so by seventeen seventeen,
the Grand Lodge of England is formed out of other bodies,
underground templar bodies, including a group known as the Kabbala
Club and other groups. The Society of Unknown Philosophers is

(01:34:20):
another group that contributed to the Kabbala Club, which became
standard Freemasonry. But so freemasonry, then it becomes this templar
expression and it becomes very big, especially here in the
forming United States, with people like well, like my great

(01:34:45):
grandfather seven generations back was was physician and general Joseph
Warren who fought at the Battle of Bunker Hill. And
he's the one also planned the Boston Tea Party. He
initiated Paul Revere. Uh, he was a and he was

(01:35:07):
a past Grand Commander of the Templar Order.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
And it's like it's like one of the National Treasure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Yeah, very similar, very similar. His son, Joseph Warren Jr.
Ended up marrying Elizabeth Burns, who was Robert Burns, the
poet of Scotland. His his daughter, and Robert Burns was
you know, he's a very famous freemason as well. He
wrote all Enzyme that we that we sing during New

(01:35:35):
Year's amongst other things. But so, but there was so
but freemasonry became one of these expressions. I mean, the
two big expressions that came out of the Temple Order
were freemasonry and Rosicrucianism. Right. So, by the way, rosicrucian

(01:35:56):
was whose symbol is rose cross. Where that came from
originally is when the Templars went down into Egypt. They
were trying to find this place known as Rostau, which
was deemed to be where all the Atlantean records and
everything were kept. And it's actually this region between Giza

(01:36:19):
and Sakara in ancient Egypt, which is about this twenty
mile per area where there's all these tunnel networks underneath
the ground. But in the Egyptian language Rostau, if we
translate that into Latin, ross becomes rose and tao becomes cross.

(01:36:40):
So Rostau of ancient Egypt became symbolized by a rose cross.
Which is why the Templars made all of the cathedrals
and the shape of crosses. But they put rose windows
in them to make them rose crosses. Right, to symbolize
the technology and the knowledge of ancient Egypt, which they

(01:37:02):
were trying to replicate on these cathedrals, so little side show.
But then that became this whole rescretion movement.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Which now, by the way, makes sense because I've discovered
the rest. I started discovering the resecutions recently, and a
lot of the ideas that they come up with that
they talk about is essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
What you're talking about, right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
The consciousness, all this stuff, the Christ of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
All that, yeah, yeah, and alchemy and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
All of these things have come from that. So now
I didn't know that there's their oranges.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah, So their origin is templar and freemasonry too, So
the two big expressions by the sixteen hundreds are Freemasonry Rosicutionism.
So so by the time of Benjamin Franklin, Freemasonry is
very public, right, oh yeah, you know, I mean it's

(01:37:53):
it is. It has become the secret glue of the
new founding Republic. And you know, most of the founding
fathers were Freemasons, uh and or Rosicrucians, and so the
knowledge and some of the secrets that had been preserved

(01:38:16):
over the centuries they became custodians of and And Benjamin
Franklin was right in there with it, and he's he's
he becomes a grand master of freemasonry. He is, and
his influence on the founding of the Republic is huge,

(01:38:38):
so much so that one of the things that the
Templars had done previously is they had secured all these artifacts,
including these arcs, as well as ossuaries that contain the
bones fragments of important people, uh and as well as texts.

(01:39:00):
They secured all this stuff and it to hide it
from the powers that be in Europe at the time.
They brought it all over here to uh the Americas
to hide it. And specifically this is really the reason
why Columbus went to Spain to get funding to come

(01:39:25):
to the New World, because he knew that the Templars
were already coming over here. That's the whole reason why
he flew the Templar cross on his boats the correct
because he was trying to fool the natives and make
them think that he was a templar so that he

(01:39:46):
could try to get because he knew that the Templars
are working with the natives, so he was trying to
fool them into thinking he was a templar so that
he could get those secrets of where these treasures are
to bring them back to Spain. And that's the whole
reason why Spain funded him to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
So technically we should be having Templar day sales instead
of Columbus days.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Totally, yeah, totally completely. Even Columbus even uh you know,
he even pulled one of the grand Master's daughters out
of a convent and married her. To try to get
this the secrets of how to how to get to
the New World and be prior to Spain, he went
to Portugal and he tried to get Portugal to fund him,

(01:40:30):
and they went in fund him. Because Portugal was funded,
was was started as a templar state, and the and
the King of Portugal was when the Temple Order was suppressed,
one of the places they went to was Portugal to
they just changed their name to the Knights of Christ
and kept operating. So the King of the King of

(01:40:51):
Portugal already knew there was land on the other side
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
But let me ask you this, then, why has the
narrative been that Christopher Columbus will be right back after
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There's there's rhymes about it. It's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
All that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Why why has that narrative been completely upheld if everybody
knew the template. I mean when even when I went
to school, they said there's chances the Vikings came over
actually discussed. Sure, so they at least mentioned that. But
Chris is the one that gets all the attention.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
He gets all the attention. Ironically, it was from a
political move shocking in the it was the which I
could put with the date, and I don't. The details
are kind of fuzzy and so bear with me. But
basically what happened was there was a an instance I

(01:41:55):
want to say it was in uh I can't remember
what state it was, but there was a an instance
in which there were Italian there was an issue between
the Italians and the Irish at the time, right where

(01:42:19):
there was these Italian gangs that had killed this this
Irish police commissioner. And I want to say it was
in New York or someplace like that, and as a result.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
But this is fourteen, So this is going into the foe.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
No, no, no, this is like in the early nineteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
No, no, I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
So is that where the this is where the origin
I'm telling I'm telling you where Columbus State came from. Right,
So what happened was this police commissioner had been killed
by these Italians, and it led to this reaction by

(01:42:59):
the population who's then started persecuting anyone who is Italian,
right to the point where I mean, it was really bad.
It was really bad. We're talking like gangs in New
York type of deal. So, h there were and to
the point where there were all these Italian families that

(01:43:21):
have been prosecuted or persecuted by by the the larger
population in the area, and the it just so happened
at the same time the ambassador from Italy was visiting
the United States, and the United States almost went to

(01:43:45):
war with Italy over it, right, I mean, it was
it got that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
And it had nothing to do with it was just
these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Right, right, that happened to be Italian, right, So, I mean,
but it was really bad. I can't remember who the
president was at the time. You know, people have to
look this up, so I'm just giving you the broad strokes,
the broad strokes, so I apologize. But what happened then
was the the Italian ambassador said to the President of

(01:44:13):
the United States, he said, you know, you need to
make this right. We need reparations for the Italian families
that have been you know, hurt through all of this.
And the President of the United States at the time said, okay, yeah,
we'll get it straightened out. I'm sorry, what else can

(01:44:36):
we do? And the ambassador of Italy at the time said,
and we want Columbus to be celebrated within the United States.
And the President of the United States at times said,
no problem. He created Columbus Day and that was the narrative,
and yeah, right, and it's been going ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
It's not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
It's not that long ago. It's only like over the
maybe one hundred years, one hundred and fifty years at most.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
But so then, But was it very public knowledge that
the templars were on the other side, on the other
side of the world. Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Or is it more? No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
I don't think it was super public knowledge. It's become
so more over the years. But I mean there was
always that knowledge that the vikings, yeah, the vikings, yeah,
but the Vikings, you know, there were the thing that
The truth of the matter is, there were a lot
of different groups coming over here to the Americas long
before Columbus, including the Egyptians across the bridge of the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Yeah, at that point that bridge was opened.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
The Phoenicians. There were even Celtic travelers. You know, I
live in Colorado, and in Colorado there are there are
probably thirty different archaeological sites that have Celtic agam writing
on them, which makes no sense, which makes no sense
from a standard narrative, but like, but the reality is

(01:46:00):
is there were all these groups that were coming over here,
and this is part of where the Templars learned about it.
The Templars had associations with the Vikings. And by the way,
Viking just means pirate, you know, that's that's because that's
really what they were. They were just pirates. And that's
really how the Templars started out too. They were seafaring.

(01:46:21):
When they were suppressed, they became the first pirates, you know,
attacking back at the at the the the establishment, the
establishment that did suppress them. So so of course they
were associating with Viking lineages, you know, and and and
they gained that knowledge in Egypt. They were even Jewish

(01:46:42):
travelers that had come here to the America. So so
learning all of this. That's how the templars learned of it,
and then they just took advantage of it and they
came over here and established great relations with the different tribes.
And yeah, so Columbus was like way later, like way later,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
So I'll go back a few hundred years back now. Napoleon, Napoleon,
Napoleon Bonaparte. You know, when he took over, he took
over a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff when
he was scouring. What did he find when he got
into the Vatican archives?

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
So so and what is the temple art part in that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Yeah? So part of what he was looking for. So Napoleon,
first of all, was he he was the illegitimate grandson
of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was the Scottish king in

(01:47:44):
exile in France. Okay, so when Bonnie Prince and he
was a Stuart. Uh, and they had been perpetuating some
of this knowledge from this bloodline quote unquote from Jesus
and Mary Magdalene that was passing on knowledge of the

(01:48:04):
Egyptian mysteries and everything else and some of these gnostic ideas.
So even though he was outwardly a Roman Catholic, he
was secretly practicing this knowledge, the sacred knowledge that was
being passed on. He had a bastard son who had

(01:48:34):
a son who was Napoleon, right, hence Bonaparte, which means
of good blood basically right. So Napoleon was raised in this.
He had been aware of many of these mysteries. This
is also why he married Josephine, who was a Murravingian princess.

(01:48:58):
The Murravidians were also part of this bloodline, right. And
by the way, they had a myth who also pointed
to Atlantis. They talk about how there was us this
almost like sea monster that came out of the ocean
and that gave birth to the merv Indians, and it

(01:49:20):
was it was really it was alluding to the myths
of a Wannis, who was a according to the Samerian traditions,
was a this god who came out of the sea,
who wore fish skins and who baptized priest kings and

(01:49:42):
set up civilization. Right, I was one of the seven
gods or immortals or you know, they were described as
different ways who came out of the sea to set
up the civilization. So so Napoleon had not only that

(01:50:02):
Stuart line, but the Mirvingian line, and then Napoleon's personal
physician was Bernard Rayman Fabre Palaprat, who was the Grand
Master of the Temple Order right, so he had all
of these influences. Very early on when he became emperor,

(01:50:24):
he declared himself the head of all Masonic lodges in France,
and he took all this knowledge with him and he
went on his campaigns, including raiding the Vatican, bringing all
the Vatican archives back to France where they were at.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Stored at Saint Sulpice Cathedral and where people like Elephus
Levi also known as Alfonso Constance, he was put in
charges sifting through, and Charles Nodier and others, they were
all they were all put in charge of sifting through

(01:51:21):
all of these Vatican documents from the Vatican Archives, specifically
looking for templar information.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
But this is I mean, did they take all of
it or most of it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Yeah, they took most of it. It's hard to say, yeah,
but a lot of it did a lot of it?
How did it get back to the Vatican. They gave
it back afterwards after they slipped through it all. Yeah,
so he was he was just looking for certain information,
you know, and so he cataloged it all sent it back.
And this is part of the reason why there's a
there's a document known as the sheenon Barkiament which has

(01:51:57):
just been revealed in the last twenty years, which is
supposedly this document that the Vatican happened to find in
their archives, which just happens to exonerate them from having
anything to do with the templar persecution, right saying, oh no,
we forgave them, but they got you know, they got

(01:52:19):
burned to the steak anyways. Right. So, but to me
as looking at that objectively, not as a templar grand master,
but just objectively, if Napoleon had already captured all the
Vatican archives, was specifically looking for templar documents and brought

(01:52:42):
them back to France and never found the chinon parchment,
but it just happened to be found a couple of
years ago, that suggests to me that that's a later forgery.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Probably more likely. But let me ask you, when they
were going through all of the archives, which I have
to imagine was extensive and vast area that they had.
Is there any because that's the only time I understand,
to my understanding that there is anyone else but the
Vatican in control.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Of the archives. That's correct. Yes, Is there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Any records that they kept in France? Is there anyone
that wrote down some stuff like oh so this is
the meaning of life?

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, well I think some of it so
like if you read the writings of Elephis Levi, who
uh he has a book on transidental magic, and but
I think he was a priest, but he wrote all

(01:53:42):
this weird esoteric stuff. I think where I think what
he was writing was largely based on what he was
finding within those archives. And and by the way, Albert Pike,
who became one of the leading lights in freemasonry, he

(01:54:03):
wrote his book Morals and Dogma, which is like almost
like if if if the Scottish writere Freemasonry had a Bible,
it would almost be Albert Pike's work, his Morals and Dogma.
It used to be presented to every member who went
through the Scottish Rite. But eighty five percent of Morals

(01:54:23):
and Dogma, I would say, this is my estimate, is
actually just a a complete copy of the writings of
elephis Levi. They just changed the word. Anytime that elphis

(01:54:44):
Levi used the term magic, Albert Pike changed it to reason.
But aside from that, it's it's plagiary, it's it's complete,
you know, like eighty five percent of morals and dogma
comes directly from elephis Levi. So uh, But I mean,
I think Pike probably also knew and recognized why he

(01:55:05):
was doing that, and it was because Alphus Levi was
one of the people in charge of sifting through those
Vatican documents.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
What is Let me ask you before we finish up,
because I.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Could keep talking days and days, what is the purpose
and what is the mission now of the knights templars
crusading anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Yeah, you know, and doing all that stuff. What do
you what is the order doing? Correct now?

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Yeah? Well, for you know, first of all, we have
to understand what a templar is. A templar is a warrior, monk,
a Jedi, a Jedi. In fact, in the original Star
Wars script that the Jedi referred to as temp templar
Jedi knights, that's what they were referred to as. Yea uh.
And even the word Jedi comes from the jed, which

(01:55:55):
is the backbone of Osiris, the background pillar of Osiris,
you know, And it was how do you how do
you build up the energy along the spinal column hence
hence the chakra system and everything else lead the energy,
you know, that's that's found in nation. You needed to
utilize it. So that's kind of esoteric backstory of that.

(01:56:17):
But from a modern standpoint, what is a warrior monk? Well, uh,
it doesn't mean in ancient times we might say, oh,
it was someone who studied scripture, beku could also kick ass, right,
But really what it's about is how do you engage
in the spiritual practice on the one hand, well also

(01:56:42):
doing your work in the world, right, you know, how
do you unite those two things? How do you go
to your nine to five job, or you're an accountant
or whatever, or you're a you're a mechanic, auto mechanic,
or you're a you know, whatever you do while still
engaging in the spiritual practice. So it's it's how do

(01:57:07):
we unite those things? And that's still the that's still
the mission of the templars today. How do we do
the inner work, the inner reflective work in the spiritual
practice while still engaging in the world beautiful and so yeah,

(01:57:28):
that's I mean, what you're doing right now with the show,
that's templar work, right, I mean you are looking at
these deeper spiritual truths while still paying your taxes. You
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Well, I've been associated with worst groups are so I
appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Yeah, yeah, life. So ultimately that's the templar work. Now,
how that's applied in other ways is as templar. It's
one of the things we do modern templars is the
quest is still the same. We are still exploring the
different spiritual truths out there, the different cultures, the recognizing

(01:58:12):
the their contribution to the greater unfoldment of consciousness of
humanity and how do we celebrate that, and how do
we how do we try to wake up other people
to that as well, so we can recognize we are
one human family. And you know on the on the

(01:58:35):
Great Seal of the United States, it says e plurbus
unam many out of one. Well, that's who we are,
I mean not only symbolically it's a nation, but as
people we appear as separate, right, but in reality we're
one mind.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
We just went so many religions and idea is and
philosophies and masters have said all one.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
And as soon as we recognize that, that's how we
can come to living in harmony with this universal order,
each other beautifully says.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
So that's the work of the templar.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
So I'm gonna ask you a few questions. I ask
all my guests, what is your definition of living a
fulfilled life?

Speaker 2 (01:59:22):
In my opinion, living a fulfilled life is living in
harmony with that universal consciousness, because the more we're in
tune with that, the more everything else falls into place.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Now, if you had a chance to go back in
time and speak to little Timothy what you gave.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Me, I would I would tell him to two, you know,
stay focused on on the spiritual path and don't get
too caught up in uh this, Yeah, the bs, don't
get in. You can't save everybody. All you can do

(02:00:02):
is provide opportunities for new ways of reflection personal reflection.
But you can't do it for people.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
How do you define God or Source? We'll be right
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Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
To me, Source or God or whatever you want to
call it is the It is the pure light of
and life of realized consciousness in that it is beyond

(02:00:58):
the human some of the petty human traits. You have
to be careful as however, you defying God gives you
permission to be the way you are. Right, So, if
you believe in a jealous God, well that allows you

(02:01:20):
to be jealous, right, be wrathful God, yeah, allows you
to be wrathful. So so we have to get beyond
all that. And I'm not trying to to criticize followers
of the Old Testament. I'm just saying that we need

(02:01:41):
to be able to be better than that. And and
I think that's that's the reason why, in my opinion,
the true God is a God of light and love,
and and that's who and that's our destiny of who
we're becoming. It is right, and we are getting better, right,

(02:02:01):
We're getting better. Still a long way to go.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
But what is love?

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
Love is the conscious connection that unites everything. But it's realized, right,
you can't you can't have love and without it being
realized as a connection.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
And so and what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
The ultimate personal purpose of life is embodying that that
universal consciousness, that love. That's that's where we're heading, and
we're all striving towards that. As we incarnate into this world,

(02:02:53):
you know, we get distracted and we take on all
kinds of bs and it barries who we really are.
But the purpose of life is unbearing all that in
aligning more with that source.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing with the templars?

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Oh? Thanks, Yeah, people find me on Facebook, Timothy W.
Hogan or you just google Timothy Hogan. You'll find me.
But I do. I can be found, you know, giving
presentations like this. You can find me on Gaya. I

(02:03:39):
have a series Mysteries of the Night's Templar Fantastic, which
is thank you, and but yeah, this is the best
way to find me. Find me on Facebook is the
best way to find.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Me, probably, And do you have any party messages for
the audience?

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Yeah? I would just encourage I mean, anyone who watches
listens to this, or watches this at this point of yeah, exactly.
I mean they're already tuned into wanting to know more
about themselves, their place in the universe, and their their
spiritual practice that's already being called into question. And I

(02:04:17):
would just encourage people to continue with that, continue following
that from a templar perspective, that's the quest, that's the
quest for the Holy Grail right is going out into
the world or going within yourself and encountering those dragons,

(02:04:37):
encountering those those challenges that are out there, and then
figuring out what you need to learn from them, and
that's going to ultimately lead you to your true self,
which is ultimately connected with the great mystery of who

(02:04:59):
we really are are, where we really come from, and
where we're really going. And that's what the spiritual quest
is all about.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
So very well said my friend very Yeah, Timbothy has
been such a pleasure and honor talking to you today.
I appreciate you and everything you're doing to help awaken
the plan.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
And my friend well, likewise, thank you so much for
having me on. And I'm so happy about everything you do,
all your interviews that you're doing for everybody you care about,
what it's really about, and yeah, it's such an honor

(02:05:44):
to be on here.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
Thank you, appreciate you. I like to thank Timothy so
much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge
and wisdom with all of us. If you want to
get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
head over to the show notes at Next levelsoul dot
Com Forward slash four six. Now, if this conversation stirred
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(02:06:06):
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