NLS 571: Woman DROWNS for 9 Min & DIES; What She SAW in HEAVEN Left Her SPEECHLESS! with Karen Lorre

Karen Lorre shared her experiences with near-death events, starting at age three and again at 18. The first event, where she lost consciousness for 20-24 hours, led to her healing from narcolepsy. At 18, during a modeling job in Hawaii, she nearly drowned but chose to live, experiencing a loving, welcoming light. A spiritual awakening at 31 revealed her life's impact on her mood and health. Karen emphasized the power of subconscious programming, psychic abilities, and the importance of love and appreciation. She also discussed her career in acting, driven by passion rather than financial gain, and her ongoing meditation practices.

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Disclaimer. The view who and opinions expressed in this podcast
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the views or positions of this show, its host, or
any of the companies they represent. Now today on the show,
we welcome near death experiencer Karen Lor. Karen drowned at

(01:19):
sea and was drowned essentially dead for nine minutes, and
when she went to the other side, what she saw
left her absolutely speechless. When she was in heaven, they
asked her, do you want to stay or go back
to Earth? Her answer will truly shock you. Let's dive

(01:40):
in like to Welcome to the show, Karen Laurie.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Hey doing, Karen.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I feel wonderful. How about you? Alex?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Very good? Thank you so much for coming on the
show and sharing your unique journey that you've had in life.
So far, before we get to your near death experience,
what was your life like before you die?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, I've actually died twice, and the first time was
when I was three, Okay, so I don't know too
much about what it was like. I do remember when
I was really young, and I just when I was
really young, I used to this is goofy. But and
it might have been after the first one when I

(02:22):
was three, but or four. Maybe I would run down
the hall to the mirror in my mom and dad's
bedroom as fast as I could. I was trying to
see who I was because I knew I wasn't the
little body that I was, you know, So I would
run super fast and try to be try to catch
who I really was in the mirror, because I knew

(02:43):
it wasn't me. And and so that's kind of maybe
that was after the the near death, the first near
death experience. But I also and I also felt like
houses around me. I felt like I had never been
on a set, like a movie set, in the movie set,
you know, the show house, but it'll just be like

(03:03):
the first you know, the front and maybe a side
facade usually unless they're doing it on location. And it
looked like that to me. I would always try to
run really fast before they put up the wall for
the side of the house. I knew there was something bigger.
I just didn't I didn't know how to see it,
you know, or feel it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
That sense So after so after, So what actually happened
when you were three?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
My neighbors, I might have been four, I'm not sure,
but my neighbor kids, all the kids, we had a
whole bunch of kids in our neighborhood. It was like
a everybody every family, but every house almost had, you know,
multiple kids. So I was on a big wheel and
they were on bikes, there were most of them were older,
and we were going around the block and I was
trying to keep up, and I was, you know, puddling

(03:50):
really hard. And then there was a tree, and there
was a right near the tree, there was a the
sidewalk came up and it looked daunting, you know, to
my little low body there. And so I'm trying and
I'm thinking, oh, I hope I can make it over
that hill, you know, And the I hit the concrete
of the far side, and my big wheel went flying

(04:13):
and I went towards and I remember the flight. I
liked the flight, but I went towards the tree. It
was a sycamore tree. And I didn't remember anything for
twenty twenty two hours I think I was, or maybe
it was twenty nineteen hours or something like that. I
don't know. It was three o'clock, three or four in
the afternoon, and then it was noon when I woke
up the next day.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, and what happened during that time, I.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Didn't remember this, but I did remember it, and it
helped me cure one of my diseases called narcolepsy, which
was where you wake up all the time at night
and then you're exhausted falling asleep during the day. What
happened was doctor Bouch, who was my pediatrician. He came
to the house and he I was above. I was
watching above, although I didn't remember this until I until

(04:58):
like ten or fift ten years ago. But I was
watching above. I was floating above, and I could see
my little body on the couch and I could hear
doctor Bouch and he was saying, you've got to wake
her up every hour or she will die. And I
saw my little body believe I better wake up every
hour or I will die. And that's narcolepsy. And when

(05:26):
I saw it, whenever it was years ago, I was
very relaxed. And then that memory came back to me
and I saw, I saw the whole thing, and I
realized that my little self had believed that in order
to live, I have to wake up every hour. And
I healed it. I did some fast healing, actually, and

(05:48):
then that night was the first time I slept through
the night. And then it started to get better and
better in my sleep. I don't need any of the
narcolepsy medicines anymore. The doctor I told him I had
cured it, and he's he didn't have any curiosity. He's
a good guy too. I really liked him. We always
saw each other at the grocery store and we alway
hugged and he showed me pictures of his kids. But

(06:09):
once I said I didn't I didn't need, you know,
the medicine anymore. That was it. And so so that
that was the first one. And I believe that that's
where actually a lot of diseases for many people come
from situations where somebody says something and you believe it
as a kid, and then you live it out as

(06:31):
you keep going.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, it sounds like your subconscious mind grabbed onto it,
and then on a subconscious level, that's what you had
to do, and that's what that was the program that
was playing in your on your background. So it's very
interesting because I've we all run on subconscious programming, all
of us since we were you know, we're basically those
first seven years is where we get all most of
our programming. But I hadn't heard one about something that

(06:55):
happened on the other side, or something that happened that
was more of a you know what's a metaphysical source
of it, which is what you saw was just basically
a near death experience. So your near death experience triggered
a subconscious programming which you had to work through throughout
your life. That's a pretty fascinating I've never heard I've

(07:16):
talked to a lot of near death experiences, I've never
heard that one before. So that's a really interesting way.
And it also proves how powerful the subconscious mind really
is and to be really careful what you believe exactly.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Yes, and you know, people get it from all sorts
of things. You can even get subconscious programming in utero,
like when you're in your mom's belly, you know whatever,
thinking about or talking about, or even from TV, you know,
even from radio. There's we are so easily programmable in
the first six or seven years of life, including when

(07:49):
you're in utero. So I'm it sounds like you really
understand that, and that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yes, I've had to deal with it myself. I had to.
I've worked through my own stuff. I didn't die, but
I almost did a few times. So all right, So
you really didn't remember that first one so other than
you didn't remember it up until recently. So between your
four between four years old or three or four years
old and to the point where you had your your

(08:17):
other near death experience, what was your life like? Were
you spiritual? Did you have any recollections of all of that
near you just said it sounds like you didn't have
any near record, real recollections about that near death experience,
So what was your life like?

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I didn't have recollections about it at all. It was
just a complete blackout from that early one. But I
was obsessed with psychic phenomena. I was obsessed with I
think his name was Raymond Moody. I read all these books.
I read Boody's books. I was like third grade, fourth grade,

(08:51):
just like devout books about people who had died and
come back, and I was I was really fascinated, and
I was really interested in my mind Greek, and in
Greek there are three forms of love, a grape philia
like Philiadelphia City of brotherly love, and aerosych eerotic is
a sexual love, and agape is kind of like Christian

(09:12):
love or love for everybody. And so I got my
mom and dad didn't go to church, and so I
was obsessed with going to all my friends churches trying
to understand love. Nobody, nobody in any of those churches
helped me understand love. But I went, you know, I
was going to can I go to your church. I
went to Catholic churches. I went to temples, you know,

(09:33):
Jewish temples. I went to mosques. I went to every
kind of thing that I could find to see if
I could understand what love was. But I didn't really
get it till later.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
So as you were, how old were you when you
had your next, your last and your death experience? Eighteen
oh eighteen, so you were still fairly young. You were
still fairly young when you had it, So tell me what.
So what happened on that day?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
That day I was I was doing a modeling job.
I had sailed to Hawaii, so I was living on
a boat. But then they were doing a modeling job
with me on a different boat, a big boat. And
our boat was like forty four foot. This one was
like seventy six foot.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And we were doing a modeling. I was doing a
modeling job, and it was a spinnaker flying. Spinnakers are
the really beautiful, big, huge wind sailboats that are out
at the front of the boat usually, and what they
do for spinnaker flying it's attached at the top of
the mast and then the spinnaker, the two ends of
the spinnater come down and they put a little seat
in and you go flying. And it was gusting. It

(10:45):
was about thirty to forty knots, you know, kind of
inconsistent gusts. And I didn't I'd never been spinnaker flying.
So they said, you know, just one guy went up
first and he was being bounced around and he was probably,
you know, two hundred eighty pounds and I was probably
one hundred. And so I get on the spinnaker and
I didn't have the ballast. You know, I'm holding on,

(11:06):
but I didn't have any ballast to keep the spinnaker
in the proper sail position. So it it it went up,
and then it whipped and then it whipped me onto
my back onto the ocean, and it oh, it was painful,
it was. And so the air got knocked out of
me and it was way past. You know, Hawaii's a

(11:29):
volcano island, so it's on a Wahu and the volcano
you know, is under the water for a while. But
after the volcano it's it's empt you know, it's just
two miles deep. Or a mile and a half or
something like that. It's pretty deep. And so I went
down like a rock and I got I probably got
a concussion. I got completely disoriented. I couldn't breathe. I

(11:50):
didn't know where I was. I couldn't there. I got
down so deep that I couldn't tell where the where
the surface was there was. I couldn't tell if it
was that way or that way or that way was.
I was so disoriented and I didn't have any energy.
I hadn't been able to breathe. Obviously, I'm underwater, and
although I think babies can breathe underwater, so maybe I
could have been able to breathe underwater. I just didn't

(12:11):
know how to do it. But I then started to
give up. You know, it was so hard. It was
just so hard, and I was so disoriented, and I
started to give up, and I I felt myself go
into this this light, and it felt like there were
people there that loved me, and it felt like total

(12:34):
acceptance and it felt like like love. It felt beautiful
and it was so attractive, and I was so interested
in it. And then I heard a voice that said,
do you want to live or die? And I I
thought of my mom, and I thought how my mom
would be devastated, you know, if I died, And so

(12:55):
I thought I want to live, and within a second
I was. I was removed from that er and I
was being pushed towards the surface. I didn't is like
I had rockets on my feet. It was that kind
of a feeling. I still couldn't breathe. And I finally
get up to the thing and I can't get a
breath because of the air had been knocked out of me.

(13:15):
So I didn't have any ability to breathe still. And
there's a guy from the boat and he was throwing
a lifefest. But the waves are big, you know, and
it's very you know, it's kind of tumultuous. Good ten
feet maybe, so I don't have any air. I can't
swim to the life fest. It's maybe thirty feet away.
Forty feet away. I'd gone pretty far from the boat.

(13:38):
And so then I started to slip back down under
the water and I started to feel that beautiful love again,
that total acceptance, that welcoming feeling, And again I heard
the voice do you want to live or do you
want to die? And again thought of my mom. Thank you, Mom,
And I said, I want to live. And I don't
know the next thing that happened was I was on

(13:59):
the on the life saver. I don't I don't know
how I got there. I just got there and I
just somehow got there, and it was it was far.
I don't still hadn't breathed. He's pulling me in and
then he he was on the rope ladder and then
he put me over his shoulder and climbed up the
rope ladder. They had to pump my stomach, you know,
just like make me throw up, and then they had

(14:22):
to give me mouth to mouth before I breathed. So
I was probably out for like ten minutes. So that
that was my thing. I was black and blue the
next day, all up and down my spine, my whole,
my whole back, my spine, my spine. I might have
even I have a broken bone somewhere and I don't
know where. I broke it on my clavicle and maybe
it was there, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
So when you were you? So were you gone for
about nine minutes, nine or ten minutes, like you were dead,
like none breathing.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I wasn't able to breathe I wasn't able to breathe
for nine or ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Generally, that means you're generally that means you're dying.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Generally, well, I mean wim Hote.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
We're not all whim Hoff.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
There's also there's also a magician who held his breath
like in Times Square or something for ye.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, I know human. I know humans generally
have the capacity to hold their breath for nine minutes,
but in a stressful situation like that, you're taking in
water like you're pretty much disconnected at that point.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, I didn't remember hardly anything about the thing.
I didn't even remember the love feeling like. By the
next day, I was just in pain, and that's all
I knew. I probably broke, you know, I don't know
if I broke other bones, but this brone was broken.
I don't know if I have other bones in my
back that was that were broken. It could have been.
I don't know. I never checked it out. I was eighteen,

(15:46):
and I just, you know, I just drank some alcohol,
so I didn't feel bad.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
When you So when you were on the other side,
did you see anything or was it all feeling?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
It was light? It was this beautiful golden light, and
I felt like I could see almost like an energy
of people I knew, but I didn't know who they were.
But it was this. I knew they were there and
it seemed very welcoming, but I couldn't. It wasn't like

(16:23):
I could make out their faces or anything like that.
It was more like a like an etching, but an
etching with maybe from energy or something like that.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's hard to light's almost almost like light.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's a good way to say, yeah, I shouldn't have that.
H yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So and when you heard the voice male voice, female voice?
Did you recognize the voice?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
It felt masculine, felt like a male voice. Did I
recognize it? I may have, but I didn't remember that
I had, if that makes sense. I was so you know,
I was so oriented and so confused, but it was
so clear. I think it's the same voice that I
had throughout my life that would say, you know, don't

(17:10):
go there, go there, do this, do that, you know
that kind of thing, But I I wasn't really aware
of it before that or even after that.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Foot it sounds like that could have been a spirit guide.
If it's that, If it's that little voice that talks
to you during your life. It could be that.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, it felt like it felt like it was my spirit.
Now when I look back on it, it felt like
it was my spirit. But I didn't know I have
a spirit back then.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
So when you came back out and there was nothing
else that you could remember. When you went back the
second time, it was just a repeat of the first time,
like when you went.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Back with there, it was just it didn't last as
long the first time. I was in it for a while,
really to anything.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Else happened during that time or was it just the
light beings?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
No, I just felt like all the pain in my
body went away. I just felt completely like it felt
like I was home.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So when you came back, you obviously recovered you're black
and blue? Did you did you remember how long? How long?
Did how much time passed until you remembered what you
had gone through?

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I remembered it sixteen years ago?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Really, so you kind of blocked it out for all
that time.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I think, so, I mean it was so, I mean,
I knew, I knew I'd had the accident, and I
knew I, you know, had some problems, but I didn't
really it didn't like sixteen years ago, I had a
real spiritual awakening or six years, sixteen, year, seventeen, I'm
not sure, but I had a real spiritual awakening and
my life. I was in my house, nothing was going on,

(18:46):
but my life passed before my eyes and I literally
saw all these experiences in my life that I had
never you know, thought about, and they all started coming
in and that was one of them, and I saw
the whole thing and I just was It just all
came back.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
So it sounded like when you had that awakening. It
was it's almost like a life review.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
It felt like a life review. And what I was
seeing was this is what was so interesting. Every single
time I was having fun, I saw all this good
stuff that happened every single time that I was not
having fun. And like that that modeling job. I didn't
feel comfortable to begin with on that boat with the people,

(19:30):
But as as I would see where I was not
having fun, I would see how things I didn't want
happen to me. So it was a really clear understanding
of how much my my mood impacted my life. That's
what it was. It was a review of how much
of my mood is is dictating my life and both

(19:54):
sides of it, you know, the good mood or the
bad mood, and I was it was a It was
a That's what gave me the spiritual awakening in a
lot of ways, because it was like, oh my god,
every time I'm in a good mood, good things happen.
Every time in a bad mood, bad things happened. It
was so obvious, rudimentary, if you will.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Exactly, We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. So when you had
so between eighteen and sixteen years ago, you never thought
about this. Your life just went on normally. Did you

(20:38):
investigate more near death experiences? Did you go down a
spiritual path? Did you ignore it? What happened during that time.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I did a lot of drinking and drugs. I was
trying to I was trying to sue something I didn't got.
I ended up stopping that just a couple of years later,
like when I was twenty three, But for a few years,
I really I couldn't think about any of that. It
just seemed it didn't make sense to me and I
didn't understand it. So I just kept drinking and you know,

(21:12):
doing anything that was else was available. I didn't go
very dark, and I did I couldn't do it for
very many years, but it was something that there. It
was a there was a there was a pain in
my body that was so extreme from that thing. And

(21:32):
then I did still have I I've always had some
psychic stuff, or at least since I was three or four.
I've always had psychic experiences where I've known things, and
those just have been increasing and increasing and increasing. I
was gonna say, I believe everybody has a capacity to
be psychic, it's just that I think for me, it

(21:53):
was I was passionate about it. I was very interested
in it. Some people aren't as interested, and some people
don't believe it and they are psychic. And it doesn't
feel like I have I'm special or anything like that.
It just feels like I've had this desire. And then
I've had experiences that sort of became very obvious again

(22:14):
about being psychic, that there was something that was going
on that I didn't I didn't know how I was
doing it, but I was doing it.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
So during those years, it sounded like you were trying
to numb pain and it was a physical pain or
an emotional pain or both both.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
I also had trauma. You know, I went to a
church where the minister was a pedophile. When I didn't
go to the church, but my friends invited me to
go to the youth group and they said, you love
this minister. He's great, he's great with youth. Well, he
was a pedophile and everybody he hired was a pedophile.
And the minister of the church, the main minister, was
a pedophile. And then they sent me when I was

(22:50):
in seventh or eighth grade, they sent me to the
school psychologist who was a pedophile. And so it was
just like, I don't know what was going on. I
grew up in Long Beach. There was something going on,
you know, something in water. It could have been. I
do believe somebody told me. I haven't researched this, so
this might not be true, but somebody said that they
were experimenting with putting LSD in the water in certain cities.

(23:11):
And I'm like, I bet you it was in Long Beach.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I've been to Long Beach. I completely understand what you're saying.
So so during that time when you had the spiritual awakening,
when all this information started to come back, how did
you process this like how did you process a life review?

(23:35):
Essentially your life being flashed before your eyes, you remembering
your near death experience, all of these things. I got
to believe psychologically there was a transitional point. You just
didn't accept it all in, or did you.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It was so clear to me that I was more
in control of my life than I realized. That's where
the life change happened. I just I saw it. I
saw it so clearly, and I got exhilaration or exhilarated
or exhilarated. I got exhilarated by the feeling that, oh,

(24:09):
we're all in the driver's seat more than we know.
Of course, there's other things that are happening around us,
but we have much more power with accessing our you know,
our good feelings to create more goodness. That's kind of
how it happened for me. So it got me very
excited because I thought, oh, I can start to do this.

(24:29):
I knew I had things in my life. I had
a lot of depression, but I had things in my
life that really made me happy, like doing acrobatics or
flying the trepeze or any of those things that I
like to do, gymnastics, all those things. So I started
to do that more, going to the beach, being out
in the ocean, you know, scuba diving. I just started
to do as many of those things as I could
that I liked, and I also started to write out appreciation.

(24:53):
So I started to look at what do I appreciate.
My life was messed up at that time. I was
getting a divorce, I'd been diagnosed bipolar. I'd been diagnosed
as DID dissociative disorder, dissociative identity disorder. I'd been diagnosed
as suicidally depressed. They said I would kill myself in

(25:13):
the next eight years. You know, so I wasn't. I wasn't. Yeah,
I wasn't having the best of time. But when I
saw this, I thought, okay, I really want to get
into that place of feeling good. What can I do?
So I did as many of the things I could.
But I also had the narcolepsy and I didn't have
any as much energy. So I did a couple of things.
One I started writing out appreciation, and I'd say, you know,

(25:35):
I appreciate trees. But I wouldn't stop there. I'd say,
I love how trees, how there's a mother tree. I
love how the trees are connected to other trees. I
love how the mother tree knows which trees came from
her acorns. I love that there's a microwrhizal fungi between
the tree roots, sending nourishment and love from the mother

(25:55):
to the babies, and from the mother to neighbors if
the babies were fine, you know, antibodies to make sure
that if the mother saw that there was something going on,
she'd send the right antibodies to the baby. Like I
love the ocean. I love I've had massive experiences with
dolphins where they have been, you know, very very attracted
to me, and and so I would talk about dolphins

(26:18):
and know, I love I. When I sailed to Hawaii,
I was listening to a back concerto and my sailing
partner was asleep, and I was I was at the
tiller and reading a book and I had my hand
in the water, and uh, something went under my hand
and I looked and it was a dolphin. And the
dolphin was definitely smiling, it was happy. And I looked up.
I had been not focused out on the outer thing.

(26:41):
I was in the book, and so I looked up
and there was there were dolphins everywhere, everywhere and I
don't know if it was two thousand, four thousand, and
they were dancing. They were dancing to Bak and they
were they would go under water. I think they choreographed it.
They'd go underwater and then they'd come up and they'd

(27:03):
all do a corkscrew and land on the on the
crescendo or land on the beat. Some were just bouncing
to the beat. Some of them were doing you know,
corkscrew things up and then landing on the beat. And
they knew the music. I mean, it felt like they
knew the music right. So that was another experience that
came to me because I was I had always wanted

(27:23):
to sail, and it just worked out that somebody, and
somebody that I loved, My boyfriend I had in my
first year of college, was going to sail to Hawaii
and he said, you know, do you want to come?
And we'd never talked about sailing, but I was obsessed
with sailing and so and so so these these dolphin energy,

(27:45):
so I could, I, you know, so ied rewriting out
my appreciation. You know, I love dolphins. I love that
dolphins understand music. I love that dolphins choreograph their dance.
I love that dolphins dance. I love that dolphins are
attracted to me. That one dolphins stayed under my hand.
I love that that dolphin and I had communion. Love
the I love seeing how brilliant they are. One time
I was scuba diving and there was a girl. The

(28:07):
dolphin went right up to the girl's belly and I
was like, and we went. When we got up, the
dive instructor said, are you pregnant to that girl? And
she said no, and he said, get a pregnancy test.
And the next day the girl came back and she said,
you're right and pregnant, and he said yeah. The dolphin

(28:27):
was reading doing a sonogram, not the grand part, but
doing a sonar and was perceiving the life, and the
dolphin got excited. Like So that was stuff that made
me feel so appreciative. So I went into detail about
what I appreciated about all the things. You know, I
love flying trepeze, you know. So this is what I
could do when I didn't have the energy to have

(28:49):
like that much life, but I could appreciate the things
that I had lived that I liked.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
You when you had this awakening and you remember junior
death experience, how long did you hold on to that
information or you how long before you jumped out of
the closet, of the spiritual closet and started talking about
this in a public way. Because I know a lot
of near death experiences hold on to these things because
they're afraid of what people will think and all of

(29:15):
that kind of stuff. And you're an actress, so I
know that you you know, and I worked in Hollywood
as well, so I know that you were a little
probably a little bit more opened than than others about
that stuff. But how did you deal with it? How
did you process it?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
There was a period of time before I could talk
about it too much. But one of the other things
I had done, besides writing out appreciation was I'd made
a meditation for myself because my body was my body
in my mind. I had chronic pain, I had the knucklips,
I was always tired, I had the bipolar and the

(29:48):
suicidtle depression, all that stuff. So I was very you know,
didn't have a lot of capacity at that point, but
I was working on having the capacity. So I made
a meditation saying, you know, talking to my body in
my mind, saying basically that they'd gotten this, and this
all the things that I wanted that I was struggling from,
the opposite of what I was experiencing.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I went for a walk. This is maybe. I'd
been listening kind of consistently for about six months, and
I went for a walk and I was listening to
it while I was walking, so I was conscious. I
hadn't really paid attention because I would usually fall asleep
when I listened to it. So I was conscious going
on this walk, and I was like, oh, that thing
that came true, that came true, that came true, that

(30:38):
came true, that came true, and I just that's when
I that's when I started to pronounce it. And I
literally went on Facebook that day and said, this is
what it was like, this is what it's like. Now,
if anybody wants to work with me, let me know.
And I didn't even I got somebody like an hour
later that was my client, Like she she immediately reached

(30:58):
out and she remained my client for a while, and
then she referred me to other people, and then other
people were doing it. It was just it just was this
snowball thing. And part of the thing that I was
depressed about is I I am an actress, but I wasn't.
I didn't have the energy to act. I had fallen
asleep on camera at an audition, and on camera. I'd

(31:19):
fallen asleep on camera during a movie. When I was
at a movie. It was three o'clock in the morning,
so that fair enough it was bad about but still
it was you know, it was falling asleep on camera
on the movie. So yeah, so I didn't know what
I could do. But then all of a sudden, this
whole different world of being a benefit to people came forth.

(31:41):
So it was and that was part of the meditation,
is that I'm doing work that feels really good and
it feels like love and it feels like beautiful and
it feels like it's helping the world, you know, in
some way. And so then I just started to help
people and that that shifted and I didn't even meet
That wasn't what I was really looking for. I just
it just happened.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You know, Do you fear death anymore?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
No? No, a little bit, No, not at all, not
at all. I mean it's I'm not suicidal and I'm not.
I'm not saying that people should go and die, because
there's something about I. Part of the thing that happened
also is that my dad, who had been dead, and

(32:23):
my ex boyfriend who had killed himself, came to me
when I was in that sick place and they both
started to help me. And it was really interesting because
I said to my boyfriend, I go, Johnny, what are
you doing here? I said, I thought you. I thought
you you know, if you're in hell, you're and I mean,
I thought, if you kill yourself, you're in hell. And
he goes, there is no hell, Karen, I said, why

(32:43):
do they always talk about it? And my dad goes
crowd control? You know, if people are afraid of mine,
isn't that great? Oh my god, They're so funny. And
so Johnny also helped me because he would sing a song.
He'd written a song for me that Blinda Carlel from
the Go Gos sing when I was twenty. I feel

(33:05):
the magic, that's what it's called. So he had written
that song for me, and he would sing the refrain
in my ear every time I started to go into
a negative loop. So so I would start to think
about something I didn't like or get a resentment or whatever,
and I would hear this song and I feel the
magic like I never felt before. Imagine that it's always

(33:25):
been there, you know, that kind of thing, and it
would go into my head. And then I would realize
that Johnny was there, you know, and so and then
my dad would give me guidance to be a benefit
to my mom. I made this book for my mom
where I got everybody in our family and all of
her friends and co workers that I knew, everybody and

(33:45):
my friends that loved her, that grew up with her,
you know, to write a letter to her about what
they appreciated about her and put their picture. So I
have this book now, my mom has it, and my
brother has it. I made it three copies and my
cousin and so it's this book. It has her picture
on the cover, and it's like you're the best mom
in the world, and that it has all these letters
that are so loving and so sweet about different things

(34:09):
that she had done and how much they appreciated her.
And that was my dad's idea, because yeah, that was
I mean, he was dead, but he gave me a
good I thought it was a great idea.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's that's amazing. So it sounds like you had a
lot of psychic phenomenon happening to you. I mean, you're
talking to your dead ex boyfriend, your father, all these
kind of things. Did you ever just think this was
weird or did you just automatically just accept it?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
It had happened so much from my life where I
had experience, where I knew things. I was before I
went Saline. I was studying with my neighbors next door,
and I jumped up and I said, I've got to
go make a phone call. And they said you can
call from here. I said, no, I can't. And I
ran downstairs with all my books and ran up to

(34:55):
my place and called my friend in the dark, you know,
and I said Teresa. She goes hello, I go, Teresa,
what happened? What's wrong? And she said, my mom and
dad were in a plane crash, And so this is
still you know. I'm like, I'm I think I was
just eighteen. I was just barely eighteen. So I went back,

(35:18):
like one of the one of the next weekends that
I could go back from college, and I went back
to be with her. She was living with her mom
and we were in the in her bedroom. She loved
Teddy Pendergrass, so we were listening to them and then
I said, do you smell that? And she goes yeah.
I said, is that is that carnations? And she said, yeah,

(35:39):
that's my dad's favorite flower. I said, let's go talk
to your mom. And we ran down the hall and
the smell got stronger and stronger as we went towards
her room, and her mom said, come in. We knocked
on the door and moms had come in and Mom's
sitting in the rocking chair and she's trying, and she said,
he's here. And this end of the chrysanthemums were so

(36:04):
strong that we it was it was undeniable, and there
was none in the house. It wasn't like there was.
It was so strong. So we just were like whoa,
you know. So that kind of thing was happening in
early years. It happened in other times too, so it
just was stuff I understood, Like I was already comfortable

(36:25):
with it by the time Johnny was coming to me.
I'd had so many dead people that came to me
before that, even my okay, this is another thing. My
dog when I was married. My dog and my my
dog and my husband's dog had died, Ruben. Oh, he
was so great. So Ruben had died, and I was

(36:48):
driving one day and I heard something in the back
of my car. So I get out to see if
there's something in the in the trunk, and there's nothing
in the trunk. It's all empty, and I'm like, that's weird.
And so I get back in the and I'm putting
the seatbelt on and I feel this energy and it's
it felt like Ruben. And it felt like Ruben just
kissing me all over. And I was like, Ruby, is
that you? Oh my god, Ruben, I love you. And

(37:09):
I'm just like holding him even though he's energetic, and
and he said, he said, you got to call your
ex husband. I said, I'm not going to call my
ex husband getting divorced. And he's like, you've got to
call your ex husband. I was like, but he was
saying the name. I just whatever, keep in privacy anyway,
So so I I was like, no, I can't do that.

(37:31):
I don't want to do that. I don't feel comfortable
to do that, and and then he kept saying it,
he kept insisting it, and then when I woke up,
I went to bed and then I woke up in
the morning. I was about to go to the beach.
I would meet my friends to go work down on
the beach, and Ruben was there, like, you gotta calm
You got to call him, you gotta cal him. And
he wouldn't. He wouldn't leave me alone. I couldn't even
leave the house. I was so insistent and I said why, Ruben,

(37:54):
why and he goes, He's going to get a dog
and it's going to be me. And I was like, okay,
I'll call him. I said, I said, Hi, it's Karen.
Is this an okay time to interrupt? And he goes, sure,
because I'm just in the car with my daughter, and
I said, oh, tell her hi. I said, I think
I got a message. I said, this might be a
little weird, but I think I got a message from Reuben.

(38:15):
And there's this silence and he goes, what was a message?
And I said, he said, you're going to get a
dog and it's going to be him. And then there's
this long silence and he said, we're driving to Santa
Barbara to pick up a dog. I was like, okay,
I see why you were so insistent, Reuben.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It's happening now it's happening now.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, it sounds like you've had a lot of these
experiences throughout your life, so you've always had this kind
of psychic tendency, if you will.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, But again, I think a lot of it comes from,
you know, being interested in it from the beginning, you know,
from being a little kid trying to understand, what is
that thing where I know I'm not this body? What
is it where I know that that house is not real?

(39:06):
But why does it keep acting like it's real? And
it's when I know it's fake. You know. It was
just something that was part of my experience. And then
my dad also was very psychic, even when we were
when I was maybe fifteen, my dad jumped up and
he said, I got to call Freddy. He was a

(39:28):
twin and fred was his brother, And he said, I
got to call Freddy. Something wrong. And he called his
brother who was in Wisconsin, and his brother was sobbing
and his son had he has he had six kids
and his all girls except for this one kid, this
one son and the son had been playing chicken and
lost like stupid stupid things. But we but it was immediate,

(39:56):
like my dad immediately knew and had to call his brother.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
You know, So he had it, but it was I
think it's I think we all have it. It's just
that either you're embarrassed about it. I've talked to so
many people, you know, Oh, this person died, do you
feel them around and they're like, yeah, I do. You know,
I think so many people feel it. It's just it's

(40:31):
just that it's not talked about enough. You know.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Well, I mean we're trying to help that with the show,
as we do.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
I love that you're helping that.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, but I think also a lot of people deny
that in themselves and also are afraid of it because
of the programming that they've gotten throughout their lives, like
the whole concept of hell, which is ridiculous, and and
and that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I was raised Catholic, so I was always this doesn't
make sense. I mean, this God that loves me, you know,
I eat meat on Friday and it's over, you know,
Or I do this one little thing and it's done.
Like that didn't make it, just didn't. It didn't really
compete really well. So I think that a lot of
people do have that issue with themselves that they might

(41:19):
if they give themselves the permission. You have been giving
yourself the permission since you were young to feel it.
You were interested in it, you wanted it, and it came.
But I agree with you one hundred and ten percent.
Every single one of us has the same abilities as
anybody else. It's just about opening those doors allowing for
it to happen. I always tell people that we all

(41:40):
can play basketball, but we're not all Michael Jordan. There
are people who come in with a little bit higher ability,
maybe from past lives or something like that, that they
can turn it on like that. You obviously had something
like that where you were able to turn it on
because I know a lot of people who were very
interested and could not get anything to happen, could not
get it, messages, could not get so you had some inclinations,

(42:02):
I think, but you built on it. But we all
have the ability though.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Mm hmm, I really believe we have the ability. It
sounds like you really you really have had your own
experiences that I'd love to hear about it at some point.
But but it you know the thing about let's say
Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan had a desire that made him love,
made him love, It made him show up for practice.
Some people don't have that desire, you know. I showed

(42:28):
up to I've been meditating. I think Sailine was my
first meditation actually, because my mind felt like it had
been encapsulated in a you know those golf balls you
take off the olden times, you take off the this yeah,
you know, the golf bond and it's all these it's
this long rubber band that just goes, it goes out.

(42:52):
That's what sailing. Because there was no other boat. There
was nothing, There was no light pollution, there was no music.
I mean we had the music of a tape, but
not very many tapes, you know, so it was not
like that. I just had books, my partner and a
few tapes. This is a long time ago, and so

(43:12):
my mind literally felt like it was like an opened
golf ball and that it was just like and I
think that was my very first experience of learning how
to meditate because it was so peaceful. There was nothing
you had to do except for you know, live, but
there was nothing. But there was nothing, you know, there
was not a lot that there was nothing you were

(43:34):
required to do. There was nothing about time, there was
nothing about you know what do people think? You know nothing?
So it was I think the first experience of meditation.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Okay, can you talk a little bit about meditation in
the sense that so many people it's one of the
biggest questions I get asked all the time because I've
been meditating probably close to seven years, an hour day,
hour and a half, sometimes two hours a day, pretty
much solid. You know, here and there, I miss it
if I'm sick or if I'm traveling. Sometimes it's hard,

(44:06):
but generally speaking, I've stayed on that schedule, and people
are fascinated like how do you do it? Like your
what is your meditation? What is your mantra? And I'm like, listen,
I just closed my eyes and I just do me,
and I'm able to get to a certain place in
my meditations. I go. But you don't need to sit
down in the Himalayas in a cave to meditate. And

(44:29):
I love that you've brought the sailing option up, because
can you talk a little bit about that. There are
other meditations, walking meditations, nature meditations. Even as an artist,
and you know this as an artist when you get
in the zone, it's a meditation. The creative zone is
a meditation in its own right.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Exactly. Yes, yes, yes, I'm that's so. That feels wonderful
that you're meditating so long. I've been meditating thirty thirty
five years, and at a certain years I was doing
two hours twice a day, morning and evening. Two hours.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, it was a lot, but it was great. So
part of the thing, you know, people are meditating all
the time. They don't realize it. So you could meditate
like if you you know, if people are looking out
at a nature scene like you were saying, and their
mind kind of goes quiet, that's a meditation. If people
are running and they get into that runner bliss, that's

(45:25):
a type of meditation. If people are even checking their breathing,
you know, doing some sort of controlled breathing while they're
doing like I'd use good most of the time. I
use good breathing for when I work out, and so
that's a type of meditation because my focus is on
my breath. And also, you know, you say, just close

(45:46):
your eyes. There's so many ways to meditate, and every
person will have what works for them. But one of
the things I found that helps me is I write
out something of appreciative about first, so I have that
good feeling and I'm already like centered on my heart.
And then when I'm meditating, I keep my attention on

(46:07):
my heart because my heart, the heart is a pilot
of the brain. The heart knows things. The heart is
really brilliant, and so I just keep my attention on
the heart and then things come in. I mean, I've
had remote viewing. I didn't know what it was called
at the time, but now I know. But it was,
you know, where I saw things that I was going

(46:27):
to go and experience, and I saw it in detail.
And I've seen that and I didn't do it on purpose.
I don't even know how I did it. It's just
that it happened. I've levitated, I've bent spoons, all these
weird things from that power of meditation and that power
of you know, being receptive. You're in that place where

(46:49):
whatever that energy, that divine energy that knows you and
knows what you want, is that energy just pours into
you and it creates this beautiful waterfall of all that
you want. And so I love that. So I like
writing out the appreciation first and I like putting my
attention on my heart.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
The heart is very powerful, no question about it. It's
extremely powerful. Is there any words of comfort you can
give to anyone who is about to lose someone or
has lost someone about what their time is going to
be like as they're closing in to the other side,
and if they're afraid of the other side, if either

(47:32):
they're passing themselves they're going through something that they know
they're going to die soon, or a relative or someone
who they love is seeing this happen, can you any
words of comfort you can give them?

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah. The first thing is the first law of thermodynamics
is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It
can only be transformed. So that person or animal or
anything is going just into a new form. They're not
leaving you. They can't leave you. They love you, and
they can't go away because now they're infinite. So they

(48:06):
can be one hundred percent with you and one hundred
percent with somebody else on the other side of the
world because they have this infinite capacity. And then one
of my one of my clients, she actually asked me
to do a session with her mom. Her mom had
been in hospice on death Store for months and months

(48:28):
and months, and so I went there and I realized
that she was afraid because she'd been prejudiced in her
life against people of different race or color, and so
she was afraid to die because she thought she'd go
to jail, I mean to print to hell, which is
another for whatever. So so she had that thought. So

(48:49):
I just I just talked to her and said, you know,
I told her that law of thermodynamics, but I also said,
I've died before, and it's so loving and it's so beautiful,
and it feels like total acceptance, and it feels welcoming
and inviting, and it feels like love and harmony and peace.

(49:15):
And she was able to let go a couple days later.
And so I think there's something about knowing that there's
no hell. God is just love, knowing that there's nothing
you ever did that was in the mind of your spirit.
You might have done some things that in the mind

(49:36):
of humans was illegal or wrong or something, but in
the mind of your spirit, there's nothing that you can
do that will stop your spirit or God, whatever you
want to call it, from loving you. So no one
goes away. They just come in a different form. And
love is I mean, death is beautiful. I look forward

(50:00):
to it when it's time, but I'm not I like
I like being able to be in the body as well.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
And then the whole You know, there's nothing, there's no judgment.
All that's yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah. It's like it's like that old saying everybody wants
to go to heaven, but just not right now.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
It's a little different than that because the dead people,
Johnny and my dad and others taught me that if
you live in this state of joy and ecstasy and love,
which I live in, you get the best of both worlds.
You get the same ability that the dead people have
to be in that piece, and then you're in that piece.

(50:55):
And so so I am living in heaven already all
the time. I just am also in my body at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Well, you can get some good Chinese food down here,
is what you're saying. Let me ask you, Kan, why
do you think this happened to you? Why do you
think that you went through two near death experiences in
this life. I'm assuming you've contemplated this at one point
or another.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
You know, maybe I had been focused on something that
I didn't like or something, and so I had that
first experience. But then after that I started reading. I
think it was after that all those books, you know,
all the books about near death experiences. Every book I
could find, I read about near death experiences. It was
something that I was so fascinated with. So I think,

(51:45):
you know, a lot of times people will read a
book and you know, it's a murder mystery, and then
somebody they know gets murdered or they do. You know,
you gotta be careful, not careful. But there's a lot
of things, whether it's TV, or whether it's books, or
whether it's the news, we can kind of create what
we don't want by letting somebody else tell the stories

(52:08):
that they want to tell if they're not a positive story.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
So it does make sense, It does make sense. I
want to ask you one other questions. As someone who's
worked in the film industry for thirty years, I have
the answer for myself, but I'd love to hear your
thoughts of what do you think working in the entertainment
industry and the modeling industry for all those years taught

(52:34):
you what lessons did you learn by choosing this life path,
which is not an easy path by any stretch of
the imagination, on all sides of the camera. But even
being an actress is I find it much more difficult
than being a director because of the exposure you have,
not physical, but just as an actor, you're exposing your emotions,

(52:57):
you're exposing who you are opening up for judgment, literally
judgment like actress looked like did I do good? And
you yeah, yeah, you did fine. It's that kind of energy.
So I love to hear what you think that the
reason that you chose this path, because it's a heck
of a path to walk.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I chose it because, well, I had been getting because
of modeling, which just came to me. I didn't mean
to do it, It just came to me. But because
of modeling. I ended up taking an acting class because
I'd done a couple like small, small roles on TV
shows or something, and I took the class and during
the first exercise on the first day, I had one

(53:36):
of those it was almost like that death feeling. It
was this golden light and I just felt like it
was the best feeling I'd ever experienced. It was so beautiful,
and it was flowing through me. And I still I
was studying. I was in college and I was studying
mind body science and I loved it. I loved what
I was studying, and I was going to be a doctor.

(53:57):
And one day I was driving, that same voice asked
if I wanted to live or die? Said do you
want a life where somebody else tells you what to do?
Or do you want a life of adventure? And I
thought adventure? And the next day that's and that was
acting was adventure. And the next day I was having
lunch with somebody and he said. I told him I

(54:19):
want to be an actor. And he said, oh, you've
got to get an agent. And I said, what is
an agent? He said, they get you acting jobs. I said, okay,
I go, how do you get an agent? He goes,
you got to get a manager. I go, what is
a manager? He goes, they get you an agent. And
so we literally walked out of that lunch meeting. He's
still he's doing something, maybe in the bathroom or whatever,
and I walk outside and I'm waiting and this woman
comes up to me and she says, are you an actress?

(54:39):
And I had made the decision the night before, right,
So I was like, yeah, and she says, my name
is Dolores, here's my card, call me tomorrow. I think
I can help you. I'm a manager. She goes, I'm
a manager, and i'd i'd love to talk to you
about representing you. And then as she's walking in, she says,
call me tomorrow, and he's walking out and he goes,

(55:00):
who is that And I said, oh, she's a manager,
and he goes, Jesus Christ, you know, because it was
just like so immediate. So there's something about that good
feeling and that feeling of adventure. I've worked in Africa, Jamaica, Canada, Japan,
all through Mexico, all over, you know, so many different places.

(55:20):
That's really fun. That's part of the adventure I like.
And to me, I never got touched by any of
the stuff that people talk about that's negative in the
acting world. I had the potential for that to happen,
but I just had really clear boundaries by that point
by the time I got into acting about that. I
never did anything for the money. I always did it

(55:40):
because I loved the role or loved the experience. And
I also there was something that happens when I want
to act that I call the acting molecule, where it
feels like there's this incredible connection between me and the
person or the people what I'm playing with, and we're

(56:01):
so present and there's this so present, so attended to
the other attending to the other person, listening so deeply.
That was that connection feeling really made it enticing.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, it's I try to explain to people like, once
you get bitten by the bug, it's done. Like it's
you can't get rid of it. It can go dormant
for decades, but it always flares up, something happens and
all of a sudden, like hey let's go make an
indie movie, Hey, let's go do this, Hey, let's go
to a play. It's you know, I tell people I

(56:38):
ran away with the circus when I was nineteen, and
it's essentially we were carnies, you know, we're basically carnival
folk doing things, running around. It's doing it's a lot
of fun. It is a lot of fun, but it
is a very difficult path to walk. And I was
just curious on if you've had contemplations on why your
soul decided to choose this path this time, because there's

(57:02):
lessons definitely to be learned by walking this path.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Oh sure, I learned so much. I learned, you know.
Part of the thing I learned that was so fascinating.
Every character I played had a different physiology. This was
my mind body science that I was studying. I played
pregnant on I was on One Life to Live for
four years, four pluses, and at one point I played
pregnant and and so I have a you know, a

(57:28):
pillow and a leotard, and I'm and then it's really hard.
It's through New York, and it's eat too many clothes
to just wear the pillow out. And then everybody says,
oh my god, you're pregnant. Congratulations. And at first I
said no, I'm just an actress. And then they would
be like mad at me. And at that point I
was I didn't have a self esteem to just laugh,
but instead I I just stopped. I just started saying

(57:50):
thank you, you know, because it was God's so confused,
So so I was saying thank you. And then you know,
I'm playing pregnant on the show, and it's an everyday
show or five days a week show, and I'm rubbing
the pillow and anyway, the wardrobe girl came in with
a bra that I normally wear and the dress that
I normally wear, the bra that I wear for that dress,

(58:11):
and she went to put the bra on me, and
my breast overflowed, and she said, oh my god, you
went from a sea cup to a d cup. I
got to get you a new bra. Be right back.
I hadn't gained any other weight, It was just in
my breast. They were getting ready to have this baby,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
How we're pregnant, but you were.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I was wearing a pillow. No, I wasn't pregnant, but
my breasts believed the pillow, the way I looked, the
way I was talking to the baby in the scenes,
the people talking to me, And then when I had
the baby on the show, my breast went back to
the sea.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Power of the mind is so incredible. It's incredible. We
have such a capacity for healing ourselves. We have such
a capacity for changing our reality. And that's just the
in the mind. Imagine what when you start to manifest things,
You manifest your life, You co create with the creator
of your life, and you walk when you understand that

(59:09):
belief and you can overcome the programming of the people
the good people around you who didn't know any better
to say, what are you crazy going to be an actress?
That's insane? Why that's not a real job. You know,
get a real job, you know, like that kind of thing.
I mean, I'm a podcaster, for God's sakes, I do this,
you know, I'm a fifty year old podcaster and I

(59:30):
make a living doing this, you know, helping people and
doing this show. But people, you know, my parents still
say what are you okay? I'm like, yeah, we're fine,
Like are you I'm like, I have a family, I'm okay.
But they just have no understanding of how we do it.
So it's fascinating, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
It just this leads to something where a lot of
people will do something because they're supposed to do it.
They'll do work they're supposed to do, or they do
work that they're doing for the money because they just
think that that's the way you're supposed to do. And
that's how a lot of people grow up is You've
got to work for the money. So I've got to
get a job that makes a lot of money. I've

(01:00:11):
got a job that whatever at my skill level or whatever.
But they're working for something whereas whereas for me with
acting at least, I could not ever do a job
because of the money. Like my agent called and said,
you've got a great job. You know, this is great.
You're going to make three hundred thousand dollars. What is
it because you're going to be on billboards everywhere I go.
What is it for? And I had to ask him

(01:00:33):
like three or four times, and then he said Virginia
Slims And I said, no, no, do it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
You know, it's like so but I but I I don't.
I wouldn't do an acting thing for the money. Even
though I like money and I need money to live.
I do it because, oh my god, this is so fun,
this is so connected, this is so beautiful. So I
think for whatever reason, I was into that versus I

(01:01:10):
didn't have I didn't have people. Well, my dad didn't
talk to me for like six months. But other than that,
when he was alive, when I started going into the
acting and modeling all the whole thing. But Ki, he
wanted me to be a doctor. But I just knew
there's a friend of mine. I went this is a
long time ago. I went to a party at somebody's

(01:01:31):
house in New York and he pulled a book and
the door moved and he said, let me show you
my secret room. And we went into the secret room
and it was all musical instruments and it was you know,
I had speakers and it had piano and guitars and
sacks and everything. And I said, I said, you're a banker.
What are you doing? And he goes, oh, the only
reason I'm a banker is because my dad wants me

(01:01:52):
to be a banker. And so I just like, I
was like, you gotta shit, you gotta do what you're
passionate about. Are you kidding me? You're obviously passionate about it,
but look at how you got it hidden. It's not
even people can't even see that you do this. It's secret.
And he goes, well, I don't want my dad to see.
I go, you can't let your dad. It's your life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
It's your life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
This is like thirty years ago, right, So I was
very passionate. And then a couple of years after that,
I got a call from my friend who who'd invited
me to that party, and he goes, Karen guess where
we are. I go where and he says, guess where
we are? I said, I don't know where are you?
And he goes, I'm with this guy and he's on
stage with I think it was Carly Simon with Carly Simon.

(01:02:33):
He's playing guitar with Carly Simon and he's singing. I
was like, oh my god, that's so great. He goes,
he wanted me to thank you. This is like yeah.
Years later, I was like, well, I didn't do anything.
He just he was I just got a little upset,
you know, at the time. But it was so funny.
So he got that courage. But a lot of people

(01:02:54):
won't get it. You know. Sometimes you need somebody to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yep, absolutely absolutely. I'm gonna a few questions. Ask all
my guests, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
You know, having communion with my spirit and with others
all day, every day beautiful where so I'm always happy.
I'm in the flow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Karen, what advice would you give her.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
You don't have to stress about anything. Everything is flow,
Chill out, have fun, do what makes you happy. It's
going to be easy. You know everything will flow to
you easily if you're happy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
How do you define God or Source love?

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Infinite power, total understanding, total acceptance, infinite wisdom, funny, playful, caring, thoughtful, innovative, creative, genius, invincible.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
What is love?

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
It's who we are. It's our true nature when we're
not blocking it. It's the h It's the path. Love
is the bridge to all you want. As Rumy says,
love is freedom. Love is power, but it's a gentle power.
But it's much more powerful than not gentle power. Love

(01:04:14):
is it's everything. There's nothing that is not love.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
If you could ask God or Source one question, what
would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
How much fun can we have? And what is the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Ultimate and what is the ultimate purpose of life?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Love? Fun? And and you know learning?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, and where can people find out more about you
and the amazing work that you're doing in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I have a website. I think it's called Karen Lori Coaching.
I'm on I'm on Facebook, Karen l O R R E.
I'm on Facebook. I'm sort of on Instagram sometimes. And
I would love if it's okay, I would love to
offer my books for people to download them for free.

(01:05:04):
I've written three books and if people would like that,
you can go to and you can also get hold
of me there. You can get my email from those books.
It's chronic like chronic pain, but it's chronic pleasure. That's
what I like now, Chronic pleasurebook dot com and you
can get my first three books. I'm ready my fourth beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Well, thank you so much for that, And do you
have any parting messages for the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
You can't get it wrong. You are loved. There's beauty
in you. Look for it, find it, find it in yourself,
find it in everyone. You can have what you want.
You're safe, You're being guided all the time. You're probably
so psychic and you don't even know it because you've
been guided and being in the right place at the
right time, with the right people in the right way

(01:05:48):
more than you can imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Karen, it has been such a pleasure talking to you.
Thank you so much for sharing your story and for
the work that you're doing to help awaken this planet.
So I appreciate you, my dear, thank you again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Appreciate you. It was really fun and it really sounds
like you're on such a solid path yourself. I love it.
Thank you, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I like to thank Karen so much for coming on
the show and sharing her experience with all of us.
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