Denise Roussel shared her journey of grief and spiritual awakening following her son Corey's death at 27. Corey's life was marked by struggles with addiction and a transformative experience in prison. Denise emphasized the importance of facing fears and maintaining presence. She described her son's impactful legacy, including a book compiled from his prison letters. Denise highlighted the significance of stillness, authenticity, connection, and empathy in healing. She also discussed the concept of soul blueprints and the role of fear in personal growth. Denise's new book, "Creating a Soulful Space," offers practical guidance for grieving individuals.
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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
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guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome Denise Roselle.
(01:40):
Denise has this beautiful story about how grief and how
her the loss of her child really awakened her and
how she is able to speak to loved ones on
the other side, speaking to her son, and how her
son is guiding her as a spear guide in this
life and an the mission she has in this world.
(02:03):
So let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show,
Denise Roselle.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
How are you doing, Denise, I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for
having me, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So much for coming. We met at the Ascension conference.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much for
coming to the conference. And then you reached out afterwards
and were like, yeah, you think you'd make a great guests,
a great conversation, So thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'm excited to be here so much.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So you've gone through a few things. Yeah, in life,
it's been it's been a pretty epic journey for you. You've
gone through, arguably, are you to say, probably the greatest
pain a person can have by losing a child. I'm
(02:50):
a father. I can't even comprehend and how you dealt
with that. We're going to talk about how you dealt
with your son. Corey's passing his journey, his spirit journey.
But can you tell me? Can you share to me
what happened with Corey and how his life was pretty
he was sure he was twenty seven. I think he
came past. So it was a short life, but it
(03:11):
was a pretty impactful life, and he went through a
lot of enlightening things in dark places. So can you
share with the audience what he went through?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
First of all, I want to say that he lived
more in his twenty seven years than most people did
in seventy two, and so he's a pretty pretty wild guy.
In one of his letters, he wrote that all life
is cyclical, and he drew little, this little indulating thing,
(03:45):
and he said, and then he drew one that was
just like this. He goes this is my life. I'm
going through the cycles very rapidly as I approach the end.
And so for him, he was totally like light years
beyond where most people are, and it was always outside
(04:08):
of the box. And as a teenager he began getting
involved with alcohol and drugs, and wow, talk about crazy.
It totally shook up our family. And we had this nice, little,
perfect little Christian family. Everything was just peachy, Keeme Fine.
(04:30):
I was this perfectionist, you know. I got to make
sure everybody's going to do everything okay. Ah. And by
the way, I asked Corey after he passed, why did
you come? And he said, I came to shake things up,
and I had to be shaken up in the process.
(04:52):
And so it started when he was sixteen, and we
went through some crazy stuff and he wind up going
to and we muddled through, and two thousand and nine
he made it here to Austin, Texas. He found the
Ecstatic dance community, which is a big part of my
life and I wouldn't be here without it. And he
(05:13):
found sobriety, and he found home and community and his
life completely changed and he began to work and volunteer
and endear himself all over the community. And after about
a year he had a bicycle accident on the corner
(05:33):
of Barton Springs Road and back then it's as Immorton
Nown but it used to be Robert E.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So think about this. Roberty Lee that txis masculine energy
and Barton Springs that divine feminine energy. Right at that intersection,
he was on a bike ride group bike ride and
he was coming through the light and somebody failed to
yield on a left turn. His head impacted the windsheet
(06:00):
window of the car and it knocked him out and
caught him from here to here. He survived it, but
that head injury put him in a tailspin. And two
three months later he said, I got to leave Austin
and I'm gonna take a Craigslist ride and go to
San Diego. And so he went to San Diego, where
(06:22):
he lived homeless on the streets and beaches of San
Diego for two three months, and then he decided I'm
gonna go to Tijuana to get some cheap motel and food. Well,
the coyotes found him, and those are people that transport
people illegally, and they said, hey, you want a job,
(06:43):
Oh yay, And they said, it's a ticketable offense. Oh
he said, well great, you know I get to bring
somebody in and I get to go home. Well, he
did it once and then they said no, we want
you to keep doing it, and no, you can't really
say no to those people, and so he said I
don't want to. He said, well, we're not paying you
until you do it again. So he did it again,
(07:05):
and they set him up to get caught. So he
spent four months in downtown a federal correction center in
downtown San Diego. And during that time, I put together
this memorandum, seventy page memorandum that had letters from family, friends, workers, volunteers,
(07:28):
pictures of the accident, this sort of thing, and walked
into that courtroom and for the sentencing, and the judge said,
this is the most extensive memorandum that I've ever experienced
in my career. And I could see the nature of
the defendant doesn't fit the nature of the crime vice versa.
(07:51):
And basically he said, I'm going to give mister Russel
time served and six months house rest at his parents'
house in bat and Rouge. Now, mind you, it's a
very toxic place for him to be and also living
with us, which wasn't exciting, and he wanted to go
(08:11):
home to his place. They wouldn't allow him. So he
spent the next year getting just more and more angry
that yeah, they were just ruling him and he failed
to drug test and so they revoked him. But three
days before they revoked him, I had been praying. I
(08:38):
just had it dropped into my heart to pray for
him to experience forgiveness. And I had my husband at
the time and my sister praying, and one Saturday, like supernaturally,
he just woke up and he had this supernatural experience
of forgiveness, which he tried in all these step programs
(09:01):
but was never successful, and it put him in this
place of unshakable peace. Well, three days later, the federal
marshals come in and they said, we could do this
the hard way, where we gonna throw out all your
stuff and kick in your teeth, or we could do
(09:21):
this the easy way, where you just get your stuff
together and we'll go on our business. So he got
his stuff together and there he goes and he even
smiled for the mugshot as he's like nothing could shake
me all as well, and he said, I feel like
I won the lottery, because he had decided he was
(09:45):
going to transmute his prison sentence into a time of
personal transformation.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So he turned his jail cell into an auschrom a temple,
a college classroom, a cycle therapist office, and he began
to read prolifically and write and meditate and share.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
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Speaker 2 (10:19):
So meanwhile he's writing all these letters, and he's sending
me letters like we're all connected now, mind you. I
was a Christian, and I was like, that's new information
for me. Wow. And then he, like maybe ten times,
asked me to read the book A New Earth by
(10:42):
A Girton, which I did, and then two three months
after I read it, I just decided it's time. I
am going to let go of everything I have ever
believed it bad, right, wrong, tradition, religion, and I am
(11:06):
going to go to the I don't know, and I'm
going to tell you I felt like I got flung
off into outer space. And I didn't know anybody besides
Corey who was living like that, but there it went.
And so even though we didn't say this at the time,
but he became my guru.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, why did you do that? What caused you to
make such a drastic change in your life, Because as
a recovering Catholic, I understand how how that is. You're
taking a massive leap into the unknown. And my transition
was years. Did little by little, little by little. I
just didn't one day publicly go I renounced like ridiculousness,
(11:51):
but I did it slowly. You seemed like you just
did it overnight. Turkey, I did you welt away from
your programming?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There was there was By the time that this happened,
I was the only one going to church by myself
instead of my family allbeing we all kind of went
in different directions, and something happened with the pastor, and
I was just like, I am done with all of y'all.
I don't like the control that's happening here. And I
(12:21):
just said, this is my time. And I think Corey
was a big part of that, because he was writing
all this stuff and telling me. I mean he was reading,
like I read a hundred books and he was telling
me all this stuff. So I'm like, it's time, and yeah.
So it changed the course of my life. It changed
(12:42):
the course of his life, and little did I know
that he was actually preparing me for his exit. So
he spent a year, and he lived for another year
and a half, the six months, the less six months
with this really special place of it's just enlightening and blossoming.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Was he in prison of this entire time? No?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
No, He got out in twenty thirteen, and he lived
in twenty twelve. The end of twenty thirteen, he lived
for a year and a half. Okay out yes, in
the world in the last six months, and he was
living in Austin and the last six months, which is
pretty profound. And he was just also a very prolific person.
He did a lot of writing. I actually have that
(13:31):
book which is yeah, the first one has probably thirty
forty percent of his work. A whole nother book that
I published right after that, edited and compiled letters from
prison that I mean, this is this is like he
left this profound legacy and talking about everything you can
(13:52):
think of under the sun. So anyway, going back to
the story, here, I was spending time with him, him
traveling back and forth to Austin, him visiting me, and
just like his little disciple, and he was planning a
(14:12):
visit to come see me. He lived in Austin. I
lived in Baton Rouge at the time, and he was
stopping in Houston. He was going to spend a few
days to visit with his best friend that he hadn't
seen since he had been in prison, that he hadn't
seen for two years. And well, he was supposed to
(14:37):
catch a bus ride to Baton Rouge, but he wound
up getting it was a wee hours of the morning.
He wound up getting robbed and I think hit his head.
This is this is things that I've had to deduce
myself from my own investigation. But he wound up getting
(14:59):
a brain bleed, and so you know, he'd had a
traumatic injury before, and so this just like triggered him
and it wigged him out, and then he kind of
ran down. It was downtown Houston. He ran down a
couple of blocks and there was a parking garage. It's
a Sunday morning, like at four point thirty in the morning,
and he didn't have it was they had the gate,
(15:24):
and so there's this little knee wall space that he
could jump down into the parking garage, which he did,
and he went down three levels. There was this big
yellow like emergency phone and there was a curb next
to it, and he collapsed before he could call anyone,
(15:47):
and then he crawled over and laid down what I
call in his final chavasna. And he wasn't found until
eighteen hours later by the security guard. And it's really
that each soul they have their specific exit points. And
(16:09):
he could have died before then, but it actually when
he wigged out and he was running, he ran in
front of a car. He could have gotten killed then,
but it was all this perfection. The address where he
died was one one one one Louisiana Street. By the way,
(16:29):
when he passed, it was my awakening. So we were
as souls doing this work together for many lifetimes. And
so one one one one New Beginnings. I'm in Louisiana
Boom and the name of the building is Center Point
Entered Energy Building. Unbelievable. Yes, So I didn't find out
(16:54):
till the next day, and I got a call from
the Harris County Medical Examiner's office. I had been spending
the whole day trying to find him because he didn't
show up, and they called me and I said, is
my son dad? And they said yes, and they didn't
give me much information. I just was like, oh my god,
(17:16):
Oh my god, oh my god. They said, do you
want me to call you back? I said no, and
then I found out it was a homicide investigation. But honestly,
I don't think anybody was trying to kill him. I
just wanted his stuff, and I think it was just
an accident. Yeah, But nonetheless, that began this profound journey,
(17:40):
grief journey. And I'm going to pause a minute before
we go on, because you may have a question or
two before it gets really interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
What I find fascinating is that with his own transformation
and his own awakening, he was preparing you for what
he was about to do. So when this happened to you,
you were arguably in a much better place, absolutely than
you would have been in the old world of you know,
in your own programming, in your old belief system that
(18:14):
would have probably brought you. I'm sure this brought you
to your niece too, no question, absolutely, but it would
have been a much It would have i think, a deeper,
darker pit, yes, for you to climb out of, if
you hadn't had this time to kind of transition a
bit or awaken a bit.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
More than exactly. In fact, it was this if and
I was receiving this transmission that that he was saying,
I'm finished now and I'm going to the other side
where I can be of more service. And I received
two gifts almost immediately, and they're very profound gifts that
(18:53):
some people who've experienced this kind of trauma may never experience.
And there are the gifts of acceptance and perspective. I
knew something bigger than his death was going down. Even
though it was just like completely sucker punched, whoa what
(19:13):
just happened, there was still a part of me that
was being so helped. Yeah, and then he died on
a Sunday. We found out on a Monday. So on Wednesday,
the family gathered to go see his body before he
(19:35):
was cremated, and so we each decided to go in
individually and spent time. And then at the end, there's
these chairs and he's there and everybody's sitting in the
chair and I'm standing there next to him, and all
(19:55):
of a sudden, I just felt this like oh rushed,
like cold water running up and down my body, and
I started laughing and crying at the same time, and
my family's over there. They think I'm losing it, and
(20:17):
I just looked up to them and I said, he's
not here. He's here.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, that's my stuff gone over Well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They just looked at me like I was crazy. But
that was only the first of many crazy things that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, as you were going through this after the cremation,
after he's been put to rest. In a sense, we'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. What was your weeks after that?
(20:56):
Because you've you're unique in the sense that you're going
through this awakening in this transition while dealing with some
of the greatest grief any human being can ever have.
It's difficult enough to awaken without this. How did you
What was your weeks and months after his after the transition?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think we need to go into days because the
day after that happened that next morning, right in that
space right before you wake up when you have there's
really lucid dreams in between him. Yeah, so he started
appearing to me.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, now, when you say appearing, do you.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Mean he wasn't a vision with my eyes, but.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It was in the room or in your mind's eye in.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
My like a dream in my dream. Yes, yes he doesn't.
He hasn't appeared to me in like a vision walking
into the room. But he's done a lot of things
in the physical and he's also most of their dream states,
and some of the dreams are the lucid dreaming that.
(22:02):
So this one was a really profound dream and it
was it set me on my course. He had this
huge snake wrapped around his arm and he was holding
the snake's head in his hands, and the snake had
his fangs bared, and I said, is it poisonous? And
he said no, and the implication was it's not going
(22:24):
to kill you. And he put the snake's head right
in my face and I screamed no, Corey, and I
woke up crying, and he knew exactly what he was
telling me, which was he said, I need you to
face your fears, mom, because you have a big job
ahead of you and it's going to require a lot
(22:45):
of courage. From that day forward, I made it a
life's mantra to face my fear, allow and open to love.
That set the stage this amazing epic healing journey.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So when as you're going through all of this, what's
going on with the family, what's going on, what's going
on with the colleagues, like.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
What's Everybody went in all different directions, and it's a
very isolating experience. I'm not gonna lie to supporting you. Well,
I had a best friend that yeah, and then I
got other friends here and there. But like my husband
(23:35):
emotionally shut down and.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, how did he do it? Because he wasn't going
through this awakening?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, not not yet. No, And yeah, he basically he
was already pretty shut down and heeded to like shut
down and he was scared because he saw me going
through this transformation. Like I lost him, I'm gonna lose
her too. So it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy. And
(24:04):
that's why I felt so supported to have Corey because
that was just the beginning of the journey. He was
he's just been there. He's an ever present sources, like,
I'm closer to him now than I was when he
was in his body. Yeah, So as this is all
evolving and the experiences were so powerful, that's really what
(24:29):
carried me through. It really wasn't a person in a
flesh and body. It was the supernatural experiences. I was
having on the other side with him and other other beings.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So tell me some of these. Tell me was a
prolific one or a profound one that you had.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
With him or with another. Okay, well this one's I'm
going to fast forward to a few years ago. I'm
just laying in my bed meditating, and I do. I
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enjoyed this meditation of where I imagine myself as this
energy of love, and I start feeling love, and then
I start expanding myself and I'll expand into the room,
and then I'll go beyond, into the city, et cetera.
Until I'm going around the world and just feeling this
(25:30):
feeling of love. And all of a sudden I noticed
myself like in this irridescent blue bubbles like they're everywhere,
And then I see I didn't know until afterwards. It
was Mary Magdalen. She came across like this. She had
(25:53):
long hair. She went like this, and she said, come
with me, and I followed her. And then the next thing,
you know, I became this ocean of love. We were
just there was no body. It's just that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And this is happening. We're in a dream state or no.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I was always meditating yeah, it was a yeah. So anyway,
so I just was in that spirit place of pure
blit bliss and loving experiencing my true essence. That was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It feels a little overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, it was just Yeah, it's just amazing. So Corey
was continually there wasn't like weeks going by before he
especially in the beginning. I mean, he's like Johnny on
the spot and so creative with how he was going
to support me. So a few days after we had
(26:59):
our first more five days after we found out he passed,
we had one in Baton, Rougian then two weeks later
in Austin. So we had this amazing epic memorial which
I actually spoke for like twenty five minutes. Most of
it was his stuff that was sharing, and we did
a lot of really wild stuff because Corey he was
(27:25):
really trying to shift paradigms. And I would like to
share this because it's part of his journey, and that
is he had some really creative ways to show love
and compassion and to really shift people's thinking about the homeless,
(27:45):
the untouchables. And so one of them was he had
this cardboard sign that wrote he wrote on their reverse
panhandling and he stood on the corner and when people
came by and said what is that, he threw money
in their car and walked away laughing. Yeah. And another
(28:11):
time when he was down there in San Diego, I
was really wanting to engage with people. So he's sitting
on the sidewalk holding up a sign that said free answers.
Oh you talk about be vulnerable. People come by, they
chuck on, they said answers to what he said questions.
(28:35):
So soon this woman stumbles up and she's obviously drunk,
and she sits there and she looks at him. She says,
will I get my children back? He looked at her
(28:59):
with such eyes of compassion, and he said, the fear
that you have is preventing you from getting what you want.
You spent some time with her. She invited him to
spend the night on her sofa that night. But he
was just that kind of person that he had posed
(29:21):
a little tear off flyers of free compliments around downtown
Austin just to make people feel good about themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So we did those sorts of things at the memorial. Yeah,
and we also I didn't bring it, but those last
six months before he passed, I told you. He called
me one day and he said, Mom, it is our responsibility.
It's our due diligence to share our life's inspirations and
(29:55):
truths by which we live. And so he he started
this project which basically encouraging people to document and just
in the document what was important to you. And he
had a bunch of quotes and exposees in his project.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And so when I received that, I said, oh, I
think I can make that into a little book where
I put the quote on one side and the expose
on the other. And I was just going to like
from office depot. I knew how to put it together,
so I formatted it. And his birthday is August twenty second,
(30:48):
by the way, he died in October October twenty sixth,
so a couple months before he passed. On his birthday,
I hand him this books and he's like, I wrote
a book and I didn't even know it. Two and
a half months later he passed and we distributed like
(31:09):
over five hundred copies of that book and we had
we had it printed within the five days to distribute
at the memorial and doing the proofing and everything. Unbelievable.
That's unbelievable. Yeah. So the Wednesday afterward, I'm on my
way to Austin and for the next memorial. And it
(31:34):
was another one of those lucid dreams right before I
woke up and he called me on the phone, and
I swear it felt exactly. I heard his voice, just
like I hear your voice. And I said, Cory, you're here,
and he said, I got you something for your birthday,
which was the day after the Austin Memorial would have been.
(31:55):
It was a few days before that date. Well, I said, wow,
I wonder what that's about. So the Austin Memorial afterward,
one of the people which is actually the dance Ecstatic
dance facilitator, his name's Oscar. He comes up to me
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and he's got this lovely green and blue scarf around
his neck and he says to me, I went to
this store. I just went in there. The name of
it is called ten Thousand Villages. He said, I didn't
need anything, but I just felt inspired to go in there.
(32:38):
And he said, I saw this scarf and it reminded
me of Corey. Mind you it wasn't cheap, and he's
taking it off as he does it and he puts
it Oh my neck.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wow, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
How does Corey connect with you today? How does he
How is he guiding you just.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Just the same way your intuition and I can ask
him questions and he talks to me back. He sometimes
still shows up in dreams.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But so because a lot of people will have this question,
how do you know it's not the voice that you're hearing,
is not your own mind, and it's versus his his
energy coming through.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So you know, we have these funny ideas about life,
many many many, and so yes, we're here in this individuated,
fractal versions of source. As you go up, yeah, there's
you know, Archangel, Michael and Mary and all these beings.
(33:49):
But the truth is is that we're one. When you
get up there, it's one. So it's really kind of
silly to worry. Oh is that just me picking that up?
You can think that, but you are actually part.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Of the one.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So what's the message telling you? Yeah? But actually there's
so many things that he's said to me. I'd like
to share a few of them. There are like one
liner truths that have helped me across the board, and
it's not things that I would normally come up with myself.
(34:28):
One of them was that thing when I asked him, oh,
why did you come? And he said, I came to
shake things up, and I had to be shaken up
in the process. Another time, I got off the phone
with a very challenging conversation with the family member and
I'm like, Corey, what do I do with that? And
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he said, that's her reality. Let her have her reality.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Wow, we don't have to have it our way. We
don't have to have people think like us. Correct if
they if they think that, you know, Martians are going
to land on the White House lawn and and invade
the United States, let them just let them. It's not
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your business.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Those are not hurting anybody.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And really just coming back to myself.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, it's it's it's about meeting people where they are. Yes,
it's about meeting people because there's certain there's certain you
know you. I deal with it with the show all
the time. Some people will watch something that's so far
beyond their programming that they lash out. I'm like, this
is the devil's work. You're talking to demons. I'm like,
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these demons are horrible at their job because all we're
talking about is love and connection. It so, but they
can't do the disc But yet when I always find
fascinating is they're watching. So if you're watching this kind
of comment, because there's a lot of content out there
that I just would never watch. I wouldn't go into
someone else's show and just go this is wrong. How
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dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Just nothing I would do.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm like, you do you, We'll do us exactly. But
are you hurting anybody exactly?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you want to have your belief system, that's fine,
It's silly. All of it is stories, yes it is.
It's all stories that we have been either programmed when
indoctrinated to our family, our friends, our society, our countries,
our religion. These are just stories, that's all it is.
And our belief system is based on the stories that
we believe in. You know. So if my story is
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like my God is the only God, Yeah, he has feathers,
he lives in the he lives in the sky. I mean,
whatever the story is, whatever the thing is, and you
come along and you tell me, well, my God is
all loving and we're all connected one and I completely
love you and accept you. I'm like, I can't have that.
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I must kill you now because if your God exists
and my God can't exist, and if my God can't exist,
my entire foundation gets shaken to the point where I
need to the equilibrium of my universe has been thrown off. Whack.
I must kill you and people like you to make
to reaffirm my stories the right one exactly from a
place of ego.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, so we're entrenched in that illusion of separation, correct, humans,
and that's our identity. So it's really it's really like
my identity is at stake here, right.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And that's the thing. And when and when people challenge
that indirectly just by existing, just by existing, you know,
as a as a Catholic, I always I always always ask
the priests and Catholics who. I'm like, so we're the
chosen ones, right, But I heard the Jews were the
chosen ones, or I heard these other groups who were
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chosen like no, no, no, no, they're all wrong where they're
fascinating where they're where the chosen ones. I'm like, Okay,
so we're the chosen ones. So what happens to the
other four billion people at the time on the planet
who don't believe in Jesus, don't believe in Catholicism. What
all the Buddhists, how about all the Hindus, there's a
few of them out there. Do they all just go
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to Hell? And I was, well, that's our job to change,
to spread the word of the Gospel and convert everybody
to our belief system.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I was like wow, And I was one of those Well,
of course, of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And You're like, huh, isn't that amazing? It just it
just finds it so fascinating how people's how people's belief systems.
And I'm assuming you ran into it with your with
your family and friends that their belief systems could not
accept anything like this.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, one of my kids became a Catholic as as
an adult. He did not appreciate what I was.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
But the thing is that he probably went is he yeah, yeah,
So he probably went into Catholicism for he was searching
for something and he was the brother of Corey.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Er Yeah, and Corey traumatized.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Him, right, so he needed some story.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He needed something to keep him safe.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Correct and by being in this community by believing in
that story, in those stories, it gave him sense of
foundation of safety exactly. And then Mom's going off, you know,
meditating crazy says that he's talking to my dead brother.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They lost their brother and now they lost their mom.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Right which it's fascinating how human beings react to grief,
which is what we should talk about next. So many
people listening right now have lost someone could be their child,
or could be their significant other, it could be a
dear friend, but they're going through grief and they're watching
this to see how they can try and send that grief.
What advice do you have for someone who's going through
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or has gone through very deep traumatic grief either the
same as you, because I do believe it's one of
the worst pains on the planet to lose a child
because it's unnatural. You lose grandma, it's part of the
natural cycle. But when you lose when you lose a child,
and it's still not easy when.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Grandma goes, but we don't expect it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And yeah, but you know your grandma's ninety five, you're.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Right, But you don't expect when your kid does.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Absolutely not, or your spouse or something like that. That's
not the way it should be. Again, holding on to
what you believe should happen as opposed to accepting what
is happening. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. Can you explain,
(40:54):
can you give some advice on how to deal with
this grief for people who might not be ready to
go down the path you went down as far as
an awakening or or even believe anything. You're saying this wacky,
crazy story that you've thrown out there. You're talking to
your son who's on the other side. This is insane
(41:14):
beyond that, just like a practical human to human how
did you how would how would you advice would you
give to people dealing with this right now?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well, I'm glad you asked that. And by the way,
I do have and you'll find in the comments that
will have a link tree. I have a support document
that help about this process.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, we'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yes, So the very first thing is to slow down
and get still. Oh, that's so scary, because you have
to face the fangs.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yes, you have to face yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You have to face your Yeah. So most of the time,
and I see this over and over. People do the
opposite that get really busy to distract themselves, of course,
or the old alternative numb themselves self medicid. Yeah, and
there's nothing wrong with those things, but you may get
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tired of it, and you may be tired of suffering
and pushing away those feelings. The absolute first thing to
do is to get still and to learn how to
start being present. So that was something Corey had already
taught me and modeled. And I like to use a
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stillness practice as opposed to I mean, I still meditation
practice is great, but I feel there's a lot of
energy behind the word meditation and ideas of what it
should be. I would like to talk a little bit
about stillness. When Corey passed, I'd already started meditating sporadically
(42:58):
and a pritical We realized, uh oh, I got to
get really still and slow down a lot. And so
what stillness does is it calms the overstimulated nervous system.
So suppose in this glass of water that I put
some sand in there and I stirred it all around. Well,
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you wouldn't be able to see through the glass. But
over time it's going to settle down and now you
can see clearly. So I like to think about this.
Here we are as a divine, limitless being, says love itself,
the most powerful force that exists. And here we are
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as humans feeling very separate from the very love that
we are going through all this trauma. And what we're
doing here is we're bridging this gap. So as we're
going through our healing journey and we're able to meet
this human that feels so separate from love, we're like
boo boo boom. And so we're bridging that gap. And
(44:10):
the first thing is to just take some time every
day slow down. And I've been encouraging people who have
never meditated before to take five minutes when you first
wake up in the morning, sit in a chair, the
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same chair with your feet, plant it on the ground
and you're back straight. I don't recommend you sitting in
it in a crossneed pose because that's not comfortable and
you're not going to do it. We want this to
be so natural, like you're brushing your teeth, you don't
even think about it, just get up, you sit in
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that chair for five minutes. I like to use an
app call insight Timer, and on there it has a
little thing starting in an ending bell, and it has
little you can put the ambient music. What happens when
you hear these sounds, your body goes into a pair
(45:15):
of sympathetic response bypassing the brain to say it's okay,
now you can settle down, be safe. So you sit there.
Don't even worry about not thinking. Don't worry about anything.
You could be thinking about the grocery lease, you could
be thinking about how mad you are at somebody. Don't
worry about it. Just sit there. So you can't do
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that wrong. You really can't. So start with five minutes.
When five minutes feels completely comfortable, had a few more minutes,
and then keep building that practice. One of the things
that's so important to me is that I've learning how
to be super gentle in kind with myself because your
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higher self, it's not going to force you to do things.
That's your spiritual ego. So everything I do, I do
not force myself to meditate. I get to do that,
and I don't try to make myself be with my
feelings when I'm not ready. That's an act of aggression.
(46:26):
I just sit there and allow the sand to settle.
It's kind of like if we were here and there
was like this kid throwing themselves on the floor, throwing
a temper tantrum, we wouldn't be able to hear each
other and you wouldn't be able to talk to that kid.
You gotta let them just let it go. And then
(46:47):
little later, yeah, and then you're gonna say, hey, come
over here, tell me what was going on. Come sit
on my lap. So first thing is that stillness. And
I like to encourage people to ask yourself, what is
my end goal? Is it ten minutes a day? Is
it twenty minutes a day? Not everybody needs to do
(47:11):
an hour a day. I do, but I do that,
But that's my dharma, So keep it simple. Ten minutes
a day is amazing. And then if you get triggered
through the day, go find yourself place to sit down
for five minutes. First step.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That's absolutely true. I mean I liked your positioning of
stillness versus meditation because meditation does come a lot of
backage of what it should be, what it shouldn't be,
all that kind of stuff. As you know, I meditate
as well. Every day. I try to at least at
least an hour, hour and a half sometimes even two.
My goal is three hours a day. As my spirit
(47:55):
guy Connie tells me all the time, you need to
meditate longer, long and long. But that's my path. It's
not for everybody. Some people, five minutes is a beginning point.
Twenty minutes is fine. It's just enough time for you
to settle the body, settle them. It's not the body.
Settle the mind and the body will follow. But I
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like the stillness aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yes, And I think what we're doing is we're here
to remember who we are and why we came. And
this story of Denise and this body and this story
is so loud and so programmed into us that we
think we're just this human flailing around. And truth is
(48:41):
is that, Oh, that's such a tiny little part of
who we are. So as we keep opening to the
love that we are, we begin to identify as love
set here, not sent here, volunteered, come here to take
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care of this little human that feels so separate from
love and life.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Denise, let me ask you. I'd love you to touch
on this because again, people watching who are going through groof,
they want to understand why, why did it happen? Why me? Why?
Him or her? Why did this? What's the purpose of
all of this? And I'd love to put it in
the lens of the sole blueprint, the sole plan that
(49:29):
we come down here. You've mentioned kind of hinted upon that,
Corey and you have been doing this dance for many
lifetimes and sometimes you might be the parent, this time
you're the parent, he's the child, sometimes she's the parent,
you're the child, and all the different parts of that
soul family that you are in. Can you explain to
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people in just your experience from speaking to Corey, and
I'm assuming at one point or another you had the question,
why why did this happen? Why did I have to
go through this? Why did he have to go through
all of this? And explain the soul blueprint a little
bit to people who might not be and that might
be might not know about it.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yes, so.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
When we're looking at life through the human lens, it's
kind of like this going around. I get to only
see and it's even like flashes of that we see
it so limited, and then as we begin the scales
start to come off and we begin to say, oh,
(50:45):
there's a little more to life. We begin to have
a wider vision and we see the bigger picture. It's
kind of like getting in the helicopter. You know, you're
if you're on the stage and we're having this big
old argument, this big old thing. Oh it looks bad
and you look so scary, and you hurt my feelings.
(51:07):
And then then if I'm over there and I'm watching
the movie and I already I know what's going on,
that's just the part before you know, we make up
and then we go off into the sunset. Sure, okay,
so yeah, I think it's so traumatic, especially losing one
of your kids or you know, people that are close
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to you.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
That.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
We're entrenched in this viewpoint that's so limited. But when
you start relaxing, and this is not to say that
when you expand and you see a picture that you
can't feel and experience being human, Oh, I still can
feel all those feelings and see that viewpoint. But it's
(51:50):
like I'm being the actress as well as the director
and producer and creator, scriptwriter of this play. And so
I would like to talk a little bit about Corey's
journey and other people's journey, and especially when it comes
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to people whose person has died by suicide or drug
overdose or things like that, which we have so many stigmas.
It's just like compounding the trauma when your person dies
(52:34):
by suicide because you already feel isolated because you lost
your kid, and then the next thing you know that
people think something wrong with your kid, that he, he
or she did that. It's like, wow, we're so crazy.
(52:54):
It don't work that way. It don't work that way
at all. Yeah, soul has a job here to do,
and no matter what their exit point looks like, no
matter what their life looks like from the human lens,
know that they are playing a critical part in the
(53:15):
evolution of the whole. They're playing a valuable part. When
I think about Corey's in my story, he picked the
harder role. He picked the harder role. It is not
easy being an alcoholic addict. Wow, and we have so
(53:35):
much judgment around these things. Well, I know for Corey,
he's like badass, spiritual gangster. I'm gonna go down there,
I'm gonna do that thing. I'm gonna march straight down
into hell. You know, you think your your person did
something wrong, that's that's absolutely not true. If you're going
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to transform or heal something, you have to go down
into it. And here we are as humans. We must
explore every aspect of humanity, especially the darkest, most depravest aspects.
(54:17):
We're all God in costume. We're all playing a role
as part of the whole, even if that role is
being the villain. That's part of the thing. Would you
go to the movie if there was Star Wars, if
there was no Darth Vader, No, you would. And you
need Darth Vader.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
You need contrast.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
You need it and the souls like you know, Corey
put me through hell and my family through hell. Thank you, Corey?
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Can you can I ask you a question the awakening
that you're going through and the time period that both
you and Corey decided to come down here in. It's
very interesting to me because one hundred years ago, if
both of you would have had the same story, because
there was alcohol back then, he could have gone down
the you know, he could have been a drunken at
(55:08):
the Western or something along those lines. But you chose
this time period to go through this because I don't
believe anytime in the past this would have been nearly
impossible exactly, you know, unless you were maybe maybe if
you were born in India. Yeah, maybe if you were
born in the East where the awakening and that it's
(55:29):
more cultural, and it might maybe it's a big maybe,
but you would have been a woman, so that would
have been rough, you know, in that time period as well.
So you've guys chose this time period to go through this.
He did, and then you did. You've been around a
little bit longer than he was. Do you believe that
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this is a very special time in human history exactly?
Is that why you chose this time to be here?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yes, And it's so think of humans evolution as a whole.
We're progressing as a whole. And you correctly said, you know,
like we chose this time twenty thirty years earlier that
I would none of these like these books you have
here and the things that he experienced that would not
(56:17):
have been available. And so we're all growing together as
a big unit. Although it feels like we're all doing
this separate thing, we're all working together. So whenever you're
having conflict with another, that's part of the game. That's
part of the game. And they're these souls, especially the
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ones like Corey that Eh went through some really tough
stuff and brought us through a lot of tough stuff.
They basically are paying a great price to help my evolution.
It's the cost of their own suffering. That villain, they're suffering.
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They're paying a price to play that role. And it's
okay because behind all of that costume is love.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Because it's what everything's made of.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
It is so part of my healing journey. I want
to share this analogy of the Beauty and the Beast.
The beast is the Prince in disguise as the beast,
and he must have the kiss of unconditional love to
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set him free. And Belle can't know that he's the prince.
She must love him as the beast, and when she
kisses him magic he becomes the prince. So what was
shown to me is the beast is fear. And I'm
going to put all of our stuff in that one word, fear.
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And when we're able to love and accept our fear
as it arises, poof, it morphs back into the love
that it is. This is the journey that we're on.
My sadness is my joy in disguise as sadness. When
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I'm able to love and accept my sadness as it arises, poof,
it's transmuted back into my joy. My anxiety is my
excitement for life and my peace. I can transmute that.
My anger is my power and my passion and is
(58:51):
very highly energetic. When I'm able to love and accept
my anger as it arises, I come into my power
and my passion.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Now, I wanted to touch upon your new book here,
creating Soulful, creating a soulful space and a practical guide
to self love. Space stands for something, he explained to people.
What that stands.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, and this is the acronym for the process is space,
So stillness. We talked about that presence. I'll go into
this a little more in sec The A is authenticity
and acceptance, the C is connection with compassion, and the
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E is empathy. And so I need to before I
go any further, let you know that through this process,
I began to work with myself like I'm the love.
I am the parent called love. I am the divine,
limitless being that is here to take care of and
(01:00:01):
reunite this human back into love. And I do that
by well. I envision each of these feelings. As like
a little versions of me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I wonder if you'd like to do a little exercise.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I'm always game. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Okay, let's close our eyes, and can you think of
something that has made you really, really sad. I don't
need to know it, just think about something and feel
that sadness for a second. Now, envision a younger, smaller
version of you, your sad one, in front of you
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in your mind's eye.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Do you see him just us me, a younger version
of myself.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, and he's the sad one.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
He's sad, yes, sure, he feels.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That sadness you're just just talking about you see him? Okay?
Can you smile at him and then just say you're
welcome to be here, sadness. You could say it out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
You're welcome to be here, sadness.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And now what is sadness doing?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Being thankful? Okay for the acknowledgment.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yes, okay, went over her eyes. So I think for
some people, when I ask what is he doing, he
may say looking confused because you don't usually allow me
to be here. And so what I've learned is that
(01:01:54):
I had to build trust with my human So let's
suppose you were my enemy and I can't stand you
and you can't stand me. And then one day I say, hey, Alex,
I want to be your friend. Do you want to
be my friend? What would you say to me? Of
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what would you say to me? I mean, to you,
I've been horrible. You would say no, be skeptical. You
just say no because I don't trust you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yes, So here's this human part of us that we've
been programmed to push away, deny. No, I'm distract and
they don't trust us as far as they could throw us.
So if I would just like make you, I'm going
to make you be my friend, that's not going to work.
(01:02:53):
That's just an act of aggression. So we have to
be start slow. That's just like step one that I
just told you there, Slow down and acknowledge and say
you're welcome here. So the next thing is p presence.
So this is going to be This is so simple.
(01:03:15):
All this sit in a chair for five minutes a day,
and now we're going to practice presence. Okay, right now,
I am going to just share what I'm experiencing. My
body here. Okay. I feel my forearm on this desk here,
I feel my hair on my ear here, and my
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other arm here, and my seat in the chair, and
I feel the cool air on my feet, and I
see the blinking light over there. So what are you
experiencing in your physical body now?
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Feeling the desk, feeling my arms on the desk, feeling
the chair, and just being.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Okay, So that seems pretty like when I drink this
glass of water, thank you, I'm looking at the water,
I'm tasting it. Look at my food. I smell my
orange when I peel it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
When I look at you, I'm like looking at you
in the eyes. I'm listening to you. And so these
are like super simple things. Like when I'm sweeping the
floor and feel the broom in my hand, I'm looking
at the dirt like zoning in. I'm chopping some vegetables like,
oh man, I'm just like going straight into it. So
that's practicing presence. So most people they say, oh, I
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got to be present with my feelings, Well they've never
been present. When there's no drama in trauma around, You're
not going to be able to do that unless you're
able to be present when there's no drama in trauma.
And you do that in the most simple ways. Take
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a breath with me. Look around. Oh wow, I'm here
pausing throughout the day to think. Let me think of
my breath. Oh, look at there's the camera's over there.
You know, it's a nice microphone. Got a right, really
(01:05:24):
nice space over here. Yeah. So it seems so strange.
That is so freaking simple, but it'll change your life.
It's like working out in the gym. You don't start
with fifty pounce. I start with five pounds, ten pounds,
and you build up. So then we move on to
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authenticity with an acceptance. You know, we're not so authentic
with ourselves. We like to lie to ourselves. We don't
like to feel bad. Everything within it and says no,
I don't want to feel angry or sad or anxious,
and so I'm gonna avoid that part of me. And
(01:06:10):
believe it or not, you can be sad and joyful
at the same time. You can be anxious and peaceful
at the same time. That clock has Corey's birthday on it,
by the way, that's one of the ways he shows up.
So it turns out that learning how to be honest
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when you feel even the slightest little niggle of a
feeling is so important because now you get to say, oh,
I'm feeling a little sad. Now I'm going to acknowledge
the presence of this sad one or whatever it is.
So we start learning how to be authentic, and then
(01:06:55):
there comes the acceptance. You know, all the problems we have,
all the hard stuff in life, it's not actually the
hard stuff that bothers us. It causes us problems. It's
our resistance to it, of course. So instead of like,
(01:07:18):
I'm feeling horrible, I don't know how I'm gonna pay
my rent, I'm so anxious, I can't stand this. What
am I gonna do? I'm panicking, when you're able to
just like, oh, look you there, I'm anxious, and it's okay.
It's okay to be anxious. It's okay to be sad.
(01:07:42):
That acknowledgment it's okay to be And then a feeling
is like unlocking allowing. So like when you resist, you contrack, oh, oh,
feel horrible, and then when you say, hey, it's okay
to feel anxious, a start allowing it is what it is.
(01:08:06):
I have this situation. Now it just is. And so
now you've got something to work with because you're not
so uptight. And then we move into connection. We talked
about building trust. So the next step would be to
be learn how to once you start being present and
(01:08:30):
saying you're allowed to be here, learn how to speak
to this part of you, these parts of you. And
this is where emotional intelligence comes in, which is also
a good bit of this book. You know, if you
ask somebody like, how you doing, how are you feeling
right now? Good? Of course, it's like we don't even
(01:08:55):
have the vocabulary. Never thought about it. Well, I'm feeling excited,
a little nervous, peaceful, super joyful. Yeah. So being able
to have the range to not only feel, but to
(01:09:18):
recognize what you're feeling and to acknowledge those parts of
you that feel separate from love and life, it's like
making friends with yourself. And so now it's no longer
Oh my gosh, I cannot be anxious. Oh guilt, Oh
(01:09:39):
my gosh, guilt and shame. Oh, we run so fast.
We can't do that thing. Jealousy, Oh, they're so bad,
you know, we just like can't feeling feeling. It's okay,
to feel guilty. It's okay. So I kind of want
(01:09:59):
to talk a little bit about this progression of human evolution.
You touched on it a minute ago. So here we
come along down the road and you know, the seventies,
and we have all this stuff coming up and people
are starting to wake up little bit, little bit, little bit.
Then we come around with the two thousands and we
have Ecker totally and he's brought us this amazing gift
(01:10:24):
to be able to say, oh, you're going to have
these feelings, just observe them.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
And you know, we can't like go from here to
here in terms of evolution, you know, you have to
take a step steps along the way. So he really
grounded this idea of it's okay, just observe your elf
and be with it. Okay. Then, so part of this
(01:11:06):
next stage was something I'm really excited about this book
and this process is like the next juicy thing to
bring us in connection with our human So I'm going
to tell you a little story. Suppose there's a kid
and he's been bullied on the playground, and he's really upset.
(01:11:27):
But he comes home and he starts acting out, and
he's throwing his little temper tantrum and doing all this
stuff because he's upset. And the parent could say to him, well,
if you want to cry, go to your bedroom because
I don't want to hear it. Or they could say,
if you want to cry, I'll give you something to cry.
(01:11:50):
That's what our parents does. Or they could say, like
Ecker totally would say, Okay, you're welcome to cry. Just
go over there in the living room. I'll be over here.
You're safe, and just do your thing. So this next
(01:12:13):
step is connecting and empathizing. Is when they finished throwing
their little fit, come over here, sit on my lap,
tell me what's going on. Come over here and tell
me all about it. Now. Honestly, we don't have this vocabulary.
We have never been modeled at or training that you
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have to develop that. And so the little kid says,
oh God, push down on the playground and I skinned
my knee and I don't know why they're so mean
to me, and I feel so horrible, and the parents like,
let's put a bandate on there, let me kiss it.
I'm so sorry. You're safe now, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, you feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
This is how we connect with these parts of herself.
Think about it, these human parts of herself suffering so
much and we don't want to have anything to do
with them.
Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Denise, thank you so much for sharing all of this
with us. I'm going to ask you a few questions,
as you know, because you've watched a few of these
episodes that I ask all my guests and kind of
a rapid fire thing. What is your definition of a
fulfilled life?
Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
M Doing what you love, being present with joy and
life and love, being alive.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Denise, what advice would she give you?
Would you give her?
Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It is gonna be okay. It's gonna be kind of
tough for a while, but don't worry. Everything's gonna be okay.
I've got you.
Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
And what advice would little Denise give you today?
Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Don't be so uptight try to control everything, and you
don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
How do you define God or source love? What is love?
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
It's the most powerful force that exists. It's a divine
matrix that holds us all together. It's all that is,
all that ever was, all time, all space, and we
are all fractal versions of that connected together as one,
although it's not apparent to us.
Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
If you could ask God or source one question, what
would it be?
Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Well, I can and I do, and it's like, how
can I be of greater service?
Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
How do you define liberation in this lifetime?
Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Inner liberation, inner freedom, Being able to know that all
is well, anything is possible, nothing is impossible, identifying as
this higher self, and being able to nurture this human
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self as it arises every time this human self is
having a difficult time, just being able to say, come
over here and tell me all about it.
Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
That's freedom And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
To live it fully?
Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
And where can people find out more about you? And
pick up a copy of many one of your many books,
but your new book Creating a Soulful Space and your
classic Beyond the Space.
Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yes, So I have a website called Creating anew Earth
dot org and I also have Healing Hearts Support dot
com because I've started a support group for bereaeved parents
and you know, I really want to take a moment
to talk to bereeved parents because I've noticed that it's
(01:16:16):
it's really, really difficult to to open ourselves to getting support.
There's so many barriers, but I want you to know
there's a safe space here, a safe space where you
can connect with yourself, with me, with other people to
(01:16:39):
be able to get guidance through this journey, because you
don't have to do this alone. It can be such
an isolating experience. And one of the things that I've
been passionate about is is opening up the space for
bereaved parents to be able to connect with their loved ones.
(01:17:00):
And it's it's not as hard as you think. And
so you know, if that's you and you're really interested
in moving forward and to start beginning this journey of
opening to this to this love and to being able
to deal with this intense, intense grief, to reach out
(01:17:21):
to me. I also uh the books are available on
Amazon the there's links in the description and there's also
a link tree in the description that has the support document.
I talked about stillness. That's just step one, but there
are several things in this initial support document just to
(01:17:43):
ground people because there's it's so discombobulating, and so there's
there's specific practices to help you to just where do
I begin? Yeah, so so avail yourself to that through
the link tree document. And we have a Facebook group,
I have social media presence, so all of it's They
(01:18:05):
are creating anew earth dot.
Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Org and do you have any parting messages for the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Ah. I want to say thank you to Corey and
my spirit gods, my angels and sended masters to you
for this opportunity to be here. My heart goes out
to all those people who are suffering so deeply and
grieving the loss of their loved one. You're not alone.
(01:18:35):
We're here with you. All is well, It's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
It's okay, Deniece. It's been such a pleasure, And thank
you so much for being so vulnerable and sharing so
much about your journey, Corey's journey, and I hope this
really does help people watching from now and for many
years to come as they continue to watch us. So
I appreciate you and everything you and Corey are doing
to awaken this planet. So thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
It's my pleasure and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
I want to thank Denise so much for coming on
the show and sharing her story with all of us.
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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
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guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome Denise Roselle.
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Denise has this beautiful story about how grief and how
her the loss of her child really awakened her and
how she is able to speak to loved ones on
the other side, speaking to her son, and how her
son is guiding her as a spear guide in this
life and an the mission she has in this world.
(02:03):
So let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show,
Denise Roselle.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
How are you doing, Denise, I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for
having me, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So much for coming. We met at the Ascension conference.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much for
coming to the conference. And then you reached out afterwards
and were like, yeah, you think you'd make a great guests,
a great conversation, So thank you for being here.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'm excited to be here so much.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So you've gone through a few things. Yeah, in life,
it's been it's been a pretty epic journey for you. You've
gone through, arguably, are you to say, probably the greatest
pain a person can have by losing a child. I'm
(02:50):
a father. I can't even comprehend and how you dealt
with that. We're going to talk about how you dealt
with your son. Corey's passing his journey, his spirit journey.
But can you tell me? Can you share to me
what happened with Corey and how his life was pretty
he was sure he was twenty seven. I think he
came past. So it was a short life, but it
(03:11):
was a pretty impactful life, and he went through a
lot of enlightening things in dark places. So can you
share with the audience what he went through?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
First of all, I want to say that he lived
more in his twenty seven years than most people did
in seventy two, and so he's a pretty pretty wild guy.
In one of his letters, he wrote that all life
is cyclical, and he drew little, this little indulating thing,
(03:45):
and he said, and then he drew one that was
just like this. He goes this is my life. I'm
going through the cycles very rapidly as I approach the end.
And so for him, he was totally like light years
beyond where most people are, and it was always outside
(04:08):
of the box. And as a teenager he began getting
involved with alcohol and drugs, and wow, talk about crazy.
It totally shook up our family. And we had this nice, little,
perfect little Christian family. Everything was just peachy, Keeme Fine.
(04:30):
I was this perfectionist, you know. I got to make
sure everybody's going to do everything okay. Ah. And by
the way, I asked Corey after he passed, why did
you come? And he said, I came to shake things up,
and I had to be shaken up in the process.
(04:52):
And so it started when he was sixteen, and we
went through some crazy stuff and he wind up going
to and we muddled through, and two thousand and nine
he made it here to Austin, Texas. He found the
Ecstatic dance community, which is a big part of my
life and I wouldn't be here without it. And he
(05:13):
found sobriety, and he found home and community and his
life completely changed and he began to work and volunteer
and endear himself all over the community. And after about
a year he had a bicycle accident on the corner
(05:33):
of Barton Springs Road and back then it's as Immorton
Nown but it used to be Robert E.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So think about this. Roberty Lee that txis masculine energy
and Barton Springs that divine feminine energy. Right at that intersection,
he was on a bike ride group bike ride and
he was coming through the light and somebody failed to
yield on a left turn. His head impacted the windsheet
(06:00):
window of the car and it knocked him out and
caught him from here to here. He survived it, but
that head injury put him in a tailspin. And two
three months later he said, I got to leave Austin
and I'm gonna take a Craigslist ride and go to
San Diego. And so he went to San Diego, where
(06:22):
he lived homeless on the streets and beaches of San
Diego for two three months, and then he decided I'm
gonna go to Tijuana to get some cheap motel and food. Well,
the coyotes found him, and those are people that transport
people illegally, and they said, hey, you want a job,
(06:43):
Oh yay, And they said, it's a ticketable offense. Oh
he said, well great, you know I get to bring
somebody in and I get to go home. Well, he
did it once and then they said no, we want
you to keep doing it, and no, you can't really
say no to those people, and so he said I
don't want to. He said, well, we're not paying you
until you do it again. So he did it again,
(07:05):
and they set him up to get caught. So he
spent four months in downtown a federal correction center in
downtown San Diego. And during that time, I put together
this memorandum, seventy page memorandum that had letters from family, friends, workers, volunteers,
(07:28):
pictures of the accident, this sort of thing, and walked
into that courtroom and for the sentencing, and the judge said,
this is the most extensive memorandum that I've ever experienced
in my career. And I could see the nature of
the defendant doesn't fit the nature of the crime vice versa.
(07:51):
And basically he said, I'm going to give mister Russel
time served and six months house rest at his parents'
house in bat and Rouge. Now, mind you, it's a
very toxic place for him to be and also living
with us, which wasn't exciting, and he wanted to go
(08:11):
home to his place. They wouldn't allow him. So he
spent the next year getting just more and more angry
that yeah, they were just ruling him and he failed
to drug test and so they revoked him. But three
days before they revoked him, I had been praying. I
(08:38):
just had it dropped into my heart to pray for
him to experience forgiveness. And I had my husband at
the time and my sister praying, and one Saturday, like supernaturally,
he just woke up and he had this supernatural experience
of forgiveness, which he tried in all these step programs
(09:01):
but was never successful, and it put him in this
place of unshakable peace. Well, three days later, the federal
marshals come in and they said, we could do this
the hard way, where we gonna throw out all your
stuff and kick in your teeth, or we could do
(09:21):
this the easy way, where you just get your stuff
together and we'll go on our business. So he got
his stuff together and there he goes and he even
smiled for the mugshot as he's like nothing could shake
me all as well, and he said, I feel like
I won the lottery, because he had decided he was
(09:45):
going to transmute his prison sentence into a time of
personal transformation.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So he turned his jail cell into an auschrom a temple,
a college classroom, a cycle therapist office, and he began
to read prolifically and write and meditate and share.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So meanwhile he's writing all these letters, and he's sending
me letters like we're all connected now, mind you. I
was a Christian, and I was like, that's new information
for me. Wow. And then he, like maybe ten times,
asked me to read the book A New Earth by
(10:42):
A Girton, which I did, and then two three months
after I read it, I just decided it's time. I
am going to let go of everything I have ever
believed it bad, right, wrong, tradition, religion, and I am
(11:06):
going to go to the I don't know, and I'm
going to tell you I felt like I got flung
off into outer space. And I didn't know anybody besides
Corey who was living like that, but there it went.
And so even though we didn't say this at the time,
but he became my guru.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, why did you do that? What caused you to
make such a drastic change in your life, Because as
a recovering Catholic, I understand how how that is. You're
taking a massive leap into the unknown. And my transition
was years. Did little by little, little by little. I
just didn't one day publicly go I renounced like ridiculousness,
(11:51):
but I did it slowly. You seemed like you just
did it overnight. Turkey, I did you welt away from
your programming?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
There was there was By the time that this happened,
I was the only one going to church by myself
instead of my family allbeing we all kind of went
in different directions, and something happened with the pastor, and
I was just like, I am done with all of y'all.
I don't like the control that's happening here. And I
(12:21):
just said, this is my time. And I think Corey
was a big part of that, because he was writing
all this stuff and telling me. I mean he was reading,
like I read a hundred books and he was telling
me all this stuff. So I'm like, it's time, and yeah.
So it changed the course of my life. It changed
(12:42):
the course of his life, and little did I know
that he was actually preparing me for his exit. So
he spent a year, and he lived for another year
and a half, the six months, the less six months
with this really special place of it's just enlightening and blossoming.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Was he in prison of this entire time? No?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
No, He got out in twenty thirteen, and he lived
in twenty twelve. The end of twenty thirteen, he lived
for a year and a half. Okay out yes, in
the world in the last six months, and he was
living in Austin and the last six months, which is
pretty profound. And he was just also a very prolific person.
He did a lot of writing. I actually have that
(13:31):
book which is yeah, the first one has probably thirty
forty percent of his work. A whole nother book that
I published right after that, edited and compiled letters from
prison that I mean, this is this is like he
left this profound legacy and talking about everything you can
(13:52):
think of under the sun. So anyway, going back to
the story, here, I was spending time with him, him
traveling back and forth to Austin, him visiting me, and
just like his little disciple, and he was planning a
(14:12):
visit to come see me. He lived in Austin. I
lived in Baton Rouge at the time, and he was
stopping in Houston. He was going to spend a few
days to visit with his best friend that he hadn't
seen since he had been in prison, that he hadn't
seen for two years. And well, he was supposed to
(14:37):
catch a bus ride to Baton Rouge, but he wound
up getting it was a wee hours of the morning.
He wound up getting robbed and I think hit his head.
This is this is things that I've had to deduce
myself from my own investigation. But he wound up getting
(14:59):
a brain bleed, and so you know, he'd had a
traumatic injury before, and so this just like triggered him
and it wigged him out, and then he kind of
ran down. It was downtown Houston. He ran down a
couple of blocks and there was a parking garage. It's
a Sunday morning, like at four point thirty in the morning,
and he didn't have it was they had the gate,
(15:24):
and so there's this little knee wall space that he
could jump down into the parking garage, which he did,
and he went down three levels. There was this big
yellow like emergency phone and there was a curb next
to it, and he collapsed before he could call anyone,
(15:47):
and then he crawled over and laid down what I
call in his final chavasna. And he wasn't found until
eighteen hours later by the security guard. And it's really
that each soul they have their specific exit points. And
(16:09):
he could have died before then, but it actually when
he wigged out and he was running, he ran in
front of a car. He could have gotten killed then,
but it was all this perfection. The address where he
died was one one one one Louisiana Street. By the way,
(16:29):
when he passed, it was my awakening. So we were
as souls doing this work together for many lifetimes. And
so one one one one New Beginnings. I'm in Louisiana
Boom and the name of the building is Center Point
Entered Energy Building. Unbelievable. Yes, So I didn't find out
(16:54):
till the next day, and I got a call from
the Harris County Medical Examiner's office. I had been spending
the whole day trying to find him because he didn't
show up, and they called me and I said, is
my son dad? And they said yes, and they didn't
give me much information. I just was like, oh my god,
(17:16):
Oh my god, oh my god. They said, do you
want me to call you back? I said no, and
then I found out it was a homicide investigation. But honestly,
I don't think anybody was trying to kill him. I
just wanted his stuff, and I think it was just
an accident. Yeah, But nonetheless, that began this profound journey,
(17:40):
grief journey. And I'm going to pause a minute before
we go on, because you may have a question or
two before it gets really interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
What I find fascinating is that with his own transformation
and his own awakening, he was preparing you for what
he was about to do. So when this happened to you,
you were arguably in a much better place, absolutely than
you would have been in the old world of you know,
in your own programming, in your old belief system that
(18:14):
would have probably brought you. I'm sure this brought you
to your niece too, no question, absolutely, but it would
have been a much It would have i think, a deeper,
darker pit, yes, for you to climb out of, if
you hadn't had this time to kind of transition a
bit or awaken a bit.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
More than exactly. In fact, it was this if and
I was receiving this transmission that that he was saying,
I'm finished now and I'm going to the other side
where I can be of more service. And I received
two gifts almost immediately, and they're very profound gifts that
(18:53):
some people who've experienced this kind of trauma may never experience.
And there are the gifts of acceptance and perspective. I
knew something bigger than his death was going down. Even
though it was just like completely sucker punched, whoa what
(19:13):
just happened, there was still a part of me that
was being so helped. Yeah, and then he died on
a Sunday. We found out on a Monday. So on Wednesday,
the family gathered to go see his body before he
(19:35):
was cremated, and so we each decided to go in
individually and spent time. And then at the end, there's
these chairs and he's there and everybody's sitting in the
chair and I'm standing there next to him, and all
(19:55):
of a sudden, I just felt this like oh rushed,
like cold water running up and down my body, and
I started laughing and crying at the same time, and
my family's over there. They think I'm losing it, and
(20:17):
I just looked up to them and I said, he's
not here. He's here.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Oh, that's my stuff gone over Well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
They just looked at me like I was crazy. But
that was only the first of many crazy things that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know, as you were going through this after the cremation,
after he's been put to rest. In a sense, we'll
be right back after a word from our sponsor, and
now back to the show. What was your weeks after that?
(20:56):
Because you've you're unique in the sense that you're going
through this awakening in this transition while dealing with some
of the greatest grief any human being can ever have.
It's difficult enough to awaken without this. How did you
What was your weeks and months after his after the transition?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think we need to go into days because the
day after that happened that next morning, right in that
space right before you wake up when you have there's
really lucid dreams in between him. Yeah, so he started
appearing to me.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, now, when you say appearing, do you.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Mean he wasn't a vision with my eyes, but.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
It was in the room or in your mind's eye in.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
My like a dream in my dream. Yes, yes he doesn't.
He hasn't appeared to me in like a vision walking
into the room. But he's done a lot of things
in the physical and he's also most of their dream states,
and some of the dreams are the lucid dreaming that.
(22:02):
So this one was a really profound dream and it
was it set me on my course. He had this
huge snake wrapped around his arm and he was holding
the snake's head in his hands, and the snake had
his fangs bared, and I said, is it poisonous? And
he said no, and the implication was it's not going
(22:24):
to kill you. And he put the snake's head right
in my face and I screamed no, Corey, and I
woke up crying, and he knew exactly what he was
telling me, which was he said, I need you to
face your fears, mom, because you have a big job
ahead of you and it's going to require a lot
(22:45):
of courage. From that day forward, I made it a
life's mantra to face my fear, allow and open to love.
That set the stage this amazing epic healing journey.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
So when as you're going through all of this, what's
going on with the family, what's going on, what's going
on with the colleagues, like.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
What's Everybody went in all different directions, and it's a
very isolating experience. I'm not gonna lie to supporting you. Well,
I had a best friend that yeah, and then I
got other friends here and there. But like my husband
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emotionally shut down and.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, how did he do it? Because he wasn't going
through this awakening?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
No, not not yet. No, And yeah, he basically he
was already pretty shut down and heeded to like shut
down and he was scared because he saw me going
through this transformation. Like I lost him, I'm gonna lose
her too. So it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy. And
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that's why I felt so supported to have Corey because
that was just the beginning of the journey. He was
he's just been there. He's an ever present sources, like,
I'm closer to him now than I was when he
was in his body. Yeah, So as this is all
evolving and the experiences were so powerful, that's really what
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carried me through. It really wasn't a person in a
flesh and body. It was the supernatural experiences. I was
having on the other side with him and other other beings.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So tell me some of these. Tell me was a
prolific one or a profound one that you had.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
With him or with another. Okay, well this one's I'm
going to fast forward to a few years ago. I'm
just laying in my bed meditating, and I do. I
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enjoyed this meditation of where I imagine myself as this
energy of love, and I start feeling love, and then
I start expanding myself and I'll expand into the room,
and then I'll go beyond, into the city, et cetera.
Until I'm going around the world and just feeling this
(25:30):
feeling of love. And all of a sudden I noticed
myself like in this irridescent blue bubbles like they're everywhere,
And then I see I didn't know until afterwards. It
was Mary Magdalen. She came across like this. She had
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long hair. She went like this, and she said, come
with me, and I followed her. And then the next thing,
you know, I became this ocean of love. We were
just there was no body. It's just that.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And this is happening. We're in a dream state or no.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I was always meditating yeah, it was a yeah. So anyway,
so I just was in that spirit place of pure
blit bliss and loving experiencing my true essence. That was amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It feels a little overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, it was just Yeah, it's just amazing. So Corey
was continually there wasn't like weeks going by before he
especially in the beginning. I mean, he's like Johnny on
the spot and so creative with how he was going
to support me. So a few days after we had
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our first more five days after we found out he passed,
we had one in Baton, Rougian then two weeks later
in Austin. So we had this amazing epic memorial which
I actually spoke for like twenty five minutes. Most of
it was his stuff that was sharing, and we did
a lot of really wild stuff because Corey he was
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really trying to shift paradigms. And I would like to
share this because it's part of his journey, and that
is he had some really creative ways to show love
and compassion and to really shift people's thinking about the homeless,
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the untouchables. And so one of them was he had
this cardboard sign that wrote he wrote on their reverse
panhandling and he stood on the corner and when people
came by and said what is that, he threw money
in their car and walked away laughing. Yeah. And another
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time when he was down there in San Diego, I
was really wanting to engage with people. So he's sitting
on the sidewalk holding up a sign that said free answers.
Oh you talk about be vulnerable. People come by, they
chuck on, they said answers to what he said questions.
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So soon this woman stumbles up and she's obviously drunk,
and she sits there and she looks at him. She says,
will I get my children back? He looked at her
(28:59):
with such eyes of compassion, and he said, the fear
that you have is preventing you from getting what you want.
You spent some time with her. She invited him to
spend the night on her sofa that night. But he
was just that kind of person that he had posed
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a little tear off flyers of free compliments around downtown
Austin just to make people feel good about themselves.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
So we did those sorts of things at the memorial. Yeah,
and we also I didn't bring it, but those last
six months before he passed, I told you. He called
me one day and he said, Mom, it is our responsibility.
It's our due diligence to share our life's inspirations and
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truths by which we live. And so he he started
this project which basically encouraging people to document and just
in the document what was important to you. And he
had a bunch of quotes and exposees in his project.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And so when I received that, I said, oh, I
think I can make that into a little book where
I put the quote on one side and the expose
on the other. And I was just going to like
from office depot. I knew how to put it together,
so I formatted it. And his birthday is August twenty second,
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by the way, he died in October October twenty sixth,
so a couple months before he passed. On his birthday,
I hand him this books and he's like, I wrote
a book and I didn't even know it. Two and
a half months later he passed and we distributed like
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over five hundred copies of that book and we had
we had it printed within the five days to distribute
at the memorial and doing the proofing and everything. Unbelievable.
That's unbelievable. Yeah. So the Wednesday afterward, I'm on my
way to Austin and for the next memorial. And it
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was another one of those lucid dreams right before I
woke up and he called me on the phone, and
I swear it felt exactly. I heard his voice, just
like I hear your voice. And I said, Cory, you're here,
and he said, I got you something for your birthday,
which was the day after the Austin Memorial would have been.
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It was a few days before that date. Well, I said, wow,
I wonder what that's about. So the Austin Memorial afterward,
one of the people which is actually the dance Ecstatic
dance facilitator, his name's Oscar. He comes up to me
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and he's got this lovely green and blue scarf around
his neck and he says to me, I went to
this store. I just went in there. The name of
it is called ten Thousand Villages. He said, I didn't
need anything, but I just felt inspired to go in there.
(32:38):
And he said, I saw this scarf and it reminded
me of Corey. Mind you it wasn't cheap, and he's
taking it off as he does it and he puts
it Oh my neck.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wow, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
How does Corey connect with you today? How does he
How is he guiding you just.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Just the same way your intuition and I can ask
him questions and he talks to me back. He sometimes
still shows up in dreams.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
But so because a lot of people will have this question,
how do you know it's not the voice that you're hearing,
is not your own mind, and it's versus his his
energy coming through.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
So you know, we have these funny ideas about life,
many many many, and so yes, we're here in this individuated,
fractal versions of source. As you go up, yeah, there's
you know, Archangel, Michael and Mary and all these beings.
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But the truth is is that we're one. When you
get up there, it's one. So it's really kind of
silly to worry. Oh is that just me picking that up?
You can think that, but you are actually part.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Of the one.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So what's the message telling you? Yeah? But actually there's
so many things that he's said to me. I'd like
to share a few of them. There are like one
liner truths that have helped me across the board, and
it's not things that I would normally come up with myself.
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One of them was that thing when I asked him, oh,
why did you come? And he said, I came to
shake things up, and I had to be shaken up
in the process. Another time, I got off the phone
with a very challenging conversation with the family member and
I'm like, Corey, what do I do with that? And
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he said, that's her reality. Let her have her reality.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Wow, we don't have to have it our way. We
don't have to have people think like us. Correct if
they if they think that, you know, Martians are going
to land on the White House lawn and and invade
the United States, let them just let them. It's not
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your business.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Those are not hurting anybody.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And really just coming back to myself.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, it's it's it's about meeting people where they are. Yes,
it's about meeting people because there's certain there's certain you
know you. I deal with it with the show all
the time. Some people will watch something that's so far
beyond their programming that they lash out. I'm like, this
is the devil's work. You're talking to demons. I'm like,
(35:53):
these demons are horrible at their job because all we're
talking about is love and connection. It so, but they
can't do the disc But yet when I always find
fascinating is they're watching. So if you're watching this kind
of comment, because there's a lot of content out there
that I just would never watch. I wouldn't go into
someone else's show and just go this is wrong. How
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dare you?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Just nothing I would do.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm like, you do you, We'll do us exactly. But
are you hurting anybody exactly?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
If you want to have your belief system, that's fine,
It's silly. All of it is stories, yes it is.
It's all stories that we have been either programmed when
indoctrinated to our family, our friends, our society, our countries,
our religion. These are just stories, that's all it is.
And our belief system is based on the stories that
we believe in. You know. So if my story is
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like my God is the only God, Yeah, he has feathers,
he lives in the he lives in the sky. I mean,
whatever the story is, whatever the thing is, and you
come along and you tell me, well, my God is
all loving and we're all connected one and I completely
love you and accept you. I'm like, I can't have that.
(37:04):
I must kill you now because if your God exists
and my God can't exist, and if my God can't exist,
my entire foundation gets shaken to the point where I
need to the equilibrium of my universe has been thrown off. Whack.
I must kill you and people like you to make
to reaffirm my stories the right one exactly from a
place of ego.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, so we're entrenched in that illusion of separation, correct, humans,
and that's our identity. So it's really it's really like
my identity is at stake here, right.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And that's the thing. And when and when people challenge
that indirectly just by existing, just by existing, you know,
as a as a Catholic, I always I always always ask
the priests and Catholics who. I'm like, so we're the
chosen ones, right, But I heard the Jews were the
chosen ones, or I heard these other groups who were
(37:55):
chosen like no, no, no, no, they're all wrong where they're
fascinating where they're where the chosen ones. I'm like, Okay,
so we're the chosen ones. So what happens to the
other four billion people at the time on the planet
who don't believe in Jesus, don't believe in Catholicism. What
all the Buddhists, how about all the Hindus, there's a
few of them out there. Do they all just go
(38:15):
to Hell? And I was, well, that's our job to change,
to spread the word of the Gospel and convert everybody
to our belief system.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I was like wow, And I was one of those Well,
of course, of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And You're like, huh, isn't that amazing? It just it
just finds it so fascinating how people's how people's belief systems.
And I'm assuming you ran into it with your with
your family and friends that their belief systems could not
accept anything like this.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Well, one of my kids became a Catholic as as
an adult. He did not appreciate what I was.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
But the thing is that he probably went is he yeah, yeah,
So he probably went into Catholicism for he was searching
for something and he was the brother of Corey.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Er Yeah, and Corey traumatized.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Him, right, so he needed some story.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
He needed something to keep him safe.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Correct and by being in this community by believing in
that story, in those stories, it gave him sense of
foundation of safety exactly. And then Mom's going off, you know,
meditating crazy says that he's talking to my dead brother.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
They lost their brother and now they lost their mom.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Right which it's fascinating how human beings react to grief,
which is what we should talk about next. So many
people listening right now have lost someone could be their child,
or could be their significant other, it could be a
dear friend, but they're going through grief and they're watching
this to see how they can try and send that grief.
What advice do you have for someone who's going through
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or has gone through very deep traumatic grief either the
same as you, because I do believe it's one of
the worst pains on the planet to lose a child
because it's unnatural. You lose grandma, it's part of the
natural cycle. But when you lose when you lose a child,
and it's still not easy when.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Grandma goes, but we don't expect it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And yeah, but you know your grandma's ninety five, you're.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Right, But you don't expect when your kid does.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Absolutely not, or your spouse or something like that. That's
not the way it should be. Again, holding on to
what you believe should happen as opposed to accepting what
is happening. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. Can you explain,
(40:54):
can you give some advice on how to deal with
this grief for people who might not be ready to
go down the path you went down as far as
an awakening or or even believe anything. You're saying this wacky,
crazy story that you've thrown out there. You're talking to
your son who's on the other side. This is insane
(41:14):
beyond that, just like a practical human to human how
did you how would how would you advice would you
give to people dealing with this right now?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well, I'm glad you asked that. And by the way,
I do have and you'll find in the comments that
will have a link tree. I have a support document
that help about this process.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Right, we'll put that in the show notes.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yes, So the very first thing is to slow down
and get still. Oh, that's so scary, because you have
to face the fangs.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yes, you have to face yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You have to face your Yeah. So most of the time,
and I see this over and over. People do the
opposite that get really busy to distract themselves, of course,
or the old alternative numb themselves self medicid. Yeah, and
there's nothing wrong with those things, but you may get
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tired of it, and you may be tired of suffering
and pushing away those feelings. The absolute first thing to
do is to get still and to learn how to
start being present. So that was something Corey had already
taught me and modeled. And I like to use a
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stillness practice as opposed to I mean, I still meditation
practice is great, but I feel there's a lot of
energy behind the word meditation and ideas of what it
should be. I would like to talk a little bit
about stillness. When Corey passed, I'd already started meditating sporadically
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and a pritical We realized, uh oh, I got to
get really still and slow down a lot. And so
what stillness does is it calms the overstimulated nervous system.
So suppose in this glass of water that I put
some sand in there and I stirred it all around. Well,
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you wouldn't be able to see through the glass. But
over time it's going to settle down and now you
can see clearly. So I like to think about this.
Here we are as a divine, limitless being, says love itself,
the most powerful force that exists. And here we are
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as humans feeling very separate from the very love that
we are going through all this trauma. And what we're
doing here is we're bridging this gap. So as we're
going through our healing journey and we're able to meet
this human that feels so separate from love, we're like
boo boo boom. And so we're bridging that gap. And
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the first thing is to just take some time every
day slow down. And I've been encouraging people who have
never meditated before to take five minutes when you first
wake up in the morning, sit in a chair, the
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same chair with your feet, plant it on the ground
and you're back straight. I don't recommend you sitting in
it in a crossneed pose because that's not comfortable and
you're not going to do it. We want this to
be so natural, like you're brushing your teeth, you don't
even think about it, just get up, you sit in
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that chair for five minutes. I like to use an
app call insight Timer, and on there it has a
little thing starting in an ending bell, and it has
little you can put the ambient music. What happens when
you hear these sounds, your body goes into a pair
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of sympathetic response bypassing the brain to say it's okay,
now you can settle down, be safe. So you sit there.
Don't even worry about not thinking. Don't worry about anything.
You could be thinking about the grocery lease, you could
be thinking about how mad you are at somebody. Don't
worry about it. Just sit there. So you can't do
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that wrong. You really can't. So start with five minutes.
When five minutes feels completely comfortable, had a few more minutes,
and then keep building that practice. One of the things
that's so important to me is that I've learning how
to be super gentle in kind with myself because your
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higher self, it's not going to force you to do things.
That's your spiritual ego. So everything I do, I do
not force myself to meditate. I get to do that,
and I don't try to make myself be with my
feelings when I'm not ready. That's an act of aggression.
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I just sit there and allow the sand to settle.
It's kind of like if we were here and there
was like this kid throwing themselves on the floor, throwing
a temper tantrum, we wouldn't be able to hear each
other and you wouldn't be able to talk to that kid.
You gotta let them just let it go. And then
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little later, yeah, and then you're gonna say, hey, come
over here, tell me what was going on. Come sit
on my lap. So first thing is that stillness. And
I like to encourage people to ask yourself, what is
my end goal? Is it ten minutes a day? Is
it twenty minutes a day? Not everybody needs to do
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an hour a day. I do, but I do that,
But that's my dharma, So keep it simple. Ten minutes
a day is amazing. And then if you get triggered
through the day, go find yourself place to sit down
for five minutes. First step.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
That's absolutely true. I mean I liked your positioning of
stillness versus meditation because meditation does come a lot of
backage of what it should be, what it shouldn't be,
all that kind of stuff. As you know, I meditate
as well. Every day. I try to at least at
least an hour, hour and a half sometimes even two.
My goal is three hours a day. As my spirit
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guy Connie tells me all the time, you need to
meditate longer, long and long. But that's my path. It's
not for everybody. Some people, five minutes is a beginning point.
Twenty minutes is fine. It's just enough time for you
to settle the body, settle them. It's not the body.
Settle the mind and the body will follow. But I
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like the stillness aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yes, And I think what we're doing is we're here
to remember who we are and why we came. And
this story of Denise and this body and this story
is so loud and so programmed into us that we
think we're just this human flailing around. And truth is
(48:41):
is that, Oh, that's such a tiny little part of
who we are. So as we keep opening to the
love that we are, we begin to identify as love
set here, not sent here, volunteered, come here to take
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care of this little human that feels so separate from
love and life.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Denise, let me ask you. I'd love you to touch
on this because again, people watching who are going through groof,
they want to understand why, why did it happen? Why me? Why?
Him or her? Why did this? What's the purpose of
all of this? And I'd love to put it in
the lens of the sole blueprint, the sole plan that
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we come down here. You've mentioned kind of hinted upon that,
Corey and you have been doing this dance for many
lifetimes and sometimes you might be the parent, this time
you're the parent, he's the child, sometimes she's the parent,
you're the child, and all the different parts of that
soul family that you are in. Can you explain to
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people in just your experience from speaking to Corey, and
I'm assuming at one point or another you had the question,
why why did this happen? Why did I have to
go through this? Why did he have to go through
all of this? And explain the soul blueprint a little
bit to people who might not be and that might
be might not know about it.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yes, so.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
When we're looking at life through the human lens, it's
kind of like this going around. I get to only
see and it's even like flashes of that we see
it so limited, and then as we begin the scales
start to come off and we begin to say, oh,
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there's a little more to life. We begin to have
a wider vision and we see the bigger picture. It's
kind of like getting in the helicopter. You know, you're
if you're on the stage and we're having this big
old argument, this big old thing. Oh it looks bad
and you look so scary, and you hurt my feelings.
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And then then if I'm over there and I'm watching
the movie and I already I know what's going on,
that's just the part before you know, we make up
and then we go off into the sunset. Sure, okay,
so yeah, I think it's so traumatic, especially losing one
of your kids or you know, people that are close
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to you.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
That.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
We're entrenched in this viewpoint that's so limited. But when
you start relaxing, and this is not to say that
when you expand and you see a picture that you
can't feel and experience being human, Oh, I still can
feel all those feelings and see that viewpoint. But it's
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like I'm being the actress as well as the director
and producer and creator, scriptwriter of this play. And so
I would like to talk a little bit about Corey's
journey and other people's journey, and especially when it comes
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to people whose person has died by suicide or drug
overdose or things like that, which we have so many stigmas.
It's just like compounding the trauma when your person dies
(52:34):
by suicide because you already feel isolated because you lost
your kid, and then the next thing you know that
people think something wrong with your kid, that he, he
or she did that. It's like, wow, we're so crazy.
(52:54):
It don't work that way. It don't work that way
at all. Yeah, soul has a job here to do,
and no matter what their exit point looks like, no
matter what their life looks like from the human lens,
know that they are playing a critical part in the
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evolution of the whole. They're playing a valuable part. When
I think about Corey's in my story, he picked the
harder role. He picked the harder role. It is not
easy being an alcoholic addict. Wow, and we have so
(53:35):
much judgment around these things. Well, I know for Corey,
he's like badass, spiritual gangster. I'm gonna go down there,
I'm gonna do that thing. I'm gonna march straight down
into hell. You know, you think your your person did
something wrong, that's that's absolutely not true. If you're going
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to transform or heal something, you have to go down
into it. And here we are as humans. We must
explore every aspect of humanity, especially the darkest, most depravest aspects.
(54:17):
We're all God in costume. We're all playing a role
as part of the whole, even if that role is
being the villain. That's part of the thing. Would you
go to the movie if there was Star Wars, if
there was no Darth Vader, No, you would. And you
need Darth Vader.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
You need contrast.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
You need it and the souls like you know, Corey
put me through hell and my family through hell. Thank you, Corey?
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Can you can I ask you a question the awakening
that you're going through and the time period that both
you and Corey decided to come down here in. It's
very interesting to me because one hundred years ago, if
both of you would have had the same story, because
there was alcohol back then, he could have gone down
the you know, he could have been a drunken at
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the Western or something along those lines. But you chose
this time period to go through this because I don't
believe anytime in the past this would have been nearly
impossible exactly, you know, unless you were maybe maybe if
you were born in India. Yeah, maybe if you were
born in the East where the awakening and that it's
(55:29):
more cultural, and it might maybe it's a big maybe,
but you would have been a woman, so that would
have been rough, you know, in that time period as well.
So you've guys chose this time period to go through this.
He did, and then you did. You've been around a
little bit longer than he was. Do you believe that
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this is a very special time in human history exactly?
Is that why you chose this time to be here?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yes, And it's so think of humans evolution as a whole.
We're progressing as a whole. And you correctly said, you know,
like we chose this time twenty thirty years earlier that
I would none of these like these books you have
here and the things that he experienced that would not
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have been available. And so we're all growing together as
a big unit. Although it feels like we're all doing
this separate thing, we're all working together. So whenever you're
having conflict with another, that's part of the game. That's
part of the game. And they're these souls, especially the
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ones like Corey that Eh went through some really tough
stuff and brought us through a lot of tough stuff.
They basically are paying a great price to help my evolution.
It's the cost of their own suffering. That villain, they're suffering.
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They're paying a price to play that role. And it's
okay because behind all of that costume is love.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
Because it's what everything's made of.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
It is so part of my healing journey. I want
to share this analogy of the Beauty and the Beast.
The beast is the Prince in disguise as the beast,
and he must have the kiss of unconditional love to
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set him free. And Belle can't know that he's the prince.
She must love him as the beast, and when she
kisses him magic he becomes the prince. So what was
shown to me is the beast is fear. And I'm
going to put all of our stuff in that one word, fear.
(58:01):
And when we're able to love and accept our fear
as it arises, poof, it morphs back into the love
that it is. This is the journey that we're on.
My sadness is my joy in disguise as sadness. When
(58:25):
I'm able to love and accept my sadness as it arises, poof,
it's transmuted back into my joy. My anxiety is my
excitement for life and my peace. I can transmute that.
My anger is my power and my passion and is
(58:51):
very highly energetic. When I'm able to love and accept
my anger as it arises, I come into my power
and my passion.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Now, I wanted to touch upon your new book here,
creating Soulful, creating a soulful space and a practical guide
to self love. Space stands for something, he explained to people.
What that stands.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, and this is the acronym for the process is space,
So stillness. We talked about that presence. I'll go into
this a little more in sec The A is authenticity
and acceptance, the C is connection with compassion, and the
(59:37):
E is empathy. And so I need to before I
go any further, let you know that through this process,
I began to work with myself like I'm the love.
I am the parent called love. I am the divine,
limitless being that is here to take care of and
(01:00:01):
reunite this human back into love. And I do that
by well. I envision each of these feelings. As like
a little versions of me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I wonder if you'd like to do a little exercise.
Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I'm always game. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Okay, let's close our eyes, and can you think of
something that has made you really, really sad. I don't
need to know it, just think about something and feel
that sadness for a second. Now, envision a younger, smaller
version of you, your sad one, in front of you
(01:00:55):
in your mind's eye.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Do you see him just us me, a younger version
of myself.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yes, and he's the sad one.
Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
He's sad, yes, sure, he feels.
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
That sadness you're just just talking about you see him? Okay?
Can you smile at him and then just say you're
welcome to be here, sadness. You could say it out loud.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
You're welcome to be here, sadness.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And now what is sadness doing?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Being thankful? Okay for the acknowledgment.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yes, okay, went over her eyes. So I think for
some people, when I ask what is he doing, he
may say looking confused because you don't usually allow me
to be here. And so what I've learned is that
(01:01:54):
I had to build trust with my human So let's
suppose you were my enemy and I can't stand you
and you can't stand me. And then one day I say, hey, Alex,
I want to be your friend. Do you want to
be my friend? What would you say to me? Of
(01:02:19):
what would you say to me? I mean, to you,
I've been horrible. You would say no, be skeptical. You
just say no because I don't trust you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yes, So here's this human part of us that we've
been programmed to push away, deny. No, I'm distract and
they don't trust us as far as they could throw us.
So if I would just like make you, I'm going
to make you be my friend, that's not going to work.
(01:02:53):
That's just an act of aggression. So we have to
be start slow. That's just like step one that I
just told you there, Slow down and acknowledge and say
you're welcome here. So the next thing is p presence.
So this is going to be This is so simple.
(01:03:15):
All this sit in a chair for five minutes a day,
and now we're going to practice presence. Okay, right now,
I am going to just share what I'm experiencing. My
body here. Okay. I feel my forearm on this desk here,
I feel my hair on my ear here, and my
(01:03:35):
other arm here, and my seat in the chair, and
I feel the cool air on my feet, and I
see the blinking light over there. So what are you
experiencing in your physical body now?
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Feeling the desk, feeling my arms on the desk, feeling
the chair, and just being.
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Okay, So that seems pretty like when I drink this
glass of water, thank you, I'm looking at the water,
I'm tasting it. Look at my food. I smell my
orange when I peel it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
When I look at you, I'm like looking at you
in the eyes. I'm listening to you. And so these
are like super simple things. Like when I'm sweeping the
floor and feel the broom in my hand, I'm looking
at the dirt like zoning in. I'm chopping some vegetables like,
oh man, I'm just like going straight into it. So
that's practicing presence. So most people they say, oh, I
(01:04:40):
got to be present with my feelings, Well they've never
been present. When there's no drama in trauma around, You're
not going to be able to do that unless you're
able to be present when there's no drama in trauma.
And you do that in the most simple ways. Take
(01:05:02):
a breath with me. Look around. Oh wow, I'm here
pausing throughout the day to think. Let me think of
my breath. Oh, look at there's the camera's over there.
You know, it's a nice microphone. Got a right, really
(01:05:24):
nice space over here. Yeah. So it seems so strange.
That is so freaking simple, but it'll change your life.
It's like working out in the gym. You don't start
with fifty pounce. I start with five pounds, ten pounds,
and you build up. So then we move on to
(01:05:47):
authenticity with an acceptance. You know, we're not so authentic
with ourselves. We like to lie to ourselves. We don't
like to feel bad. Everything within it and says no,
I don't want to feel angry or sad or anxious,
and so I'm gonna avoid that part of me. And
(01:06:10):
believe it or not, you can be sad and joyful
at the same time. You can be anxious and peaceful
at the same time. That clock has Corey's birthday on it,
by the way, that's one of the ways he shows up.
So it turns out that learning how to be honest
(01:06:31):
when you feel even the slightest little niggle of a
feeling is so important because now you get to say, oh,
I'm feeling a little sad. Now I'm going to acknowledge
the presence of this sad one or whatever it is.
So we start learning how to be authentic, and then
(01:06:55):
there comes the acceptance. You know, all the problems we have,
all the hard stuff in life, it's not actually the
hard stuff that bothers us. It causes us problems. It's
our resistance to it, of course. So instead of like,
(01:07:18):
I'm feeling horrible, I don't know how I'm gonna pay
my rent, I'm so anxious, I can't stand this. What
am I gonna do? I'm panicking, when you're able to
just like, oh, look you there, I'm anxious, and it's okay.
It's okay to be anxious. It's okay to be sad.
(01:07:42):
That acknowledgment it's okay to be And then a feeling
is like unlocking allowing. So like when you resist, you contrack, oh, oh,
feel horrible, and then when you say, hey, it's okay
to feel anxious, a start allowing it is what it is.
(01:08:06):
I have this situation. Now it just is. And so
now you've got something to work with because you're not
so uptight. And then we move into connection. We talked
about building trust. So the next step would be to
be learn how to once you start being present and
(01:08:30):
saying you're allowed to be here, learn how to speak
to this part of you, these parts of you. And
this is where emotional intelligence comes in, which is also
a good bit of this book. You know, if you
ask somebody like, how you doing, how are you feeling
right now? Good? Of course, it's like we don't even
(01:08:55):
have the vocabulary. Never thought about it. Well, I'm feeling excited,
a little nervous, peaceful, super joyful. Yeah. So being able
to have the range to not only feel, but to
(01:09:18):
recognize what you're feeling and to acknowledge those parts of
you that feel separate from love and life, it's like
making friends with yourself. And so now it's no longer
Oh my gosh, I cannot be anxious. Oh guilt, Oh
(01:09:39):
my gosh, guilt and shame. Oh, we run so fast.
We can't do that thing. Jealousy, Oh, they're so bad,
you know, we just like can't feeling feeling. It's okay,
to feel guilty. It's okay. So I kind of want
(01:09:59):
to talk a little bit about this progression of human evolution.
You touched on it a minute ago. So here we
come along down the road and you know, the seventies,
and we have all this stuff coming up and people
are starting to wake up little bit, little bit, little bit.
Then we come around with the two thousands and we
have Ecker totally and he's brought us this amazing gift
(01:10:24):
to be able to say, oh, you're going to have
these feelings, just observe them.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
And you know, we can't like go from here to
here in terms of evolution, you know, you have to
take a step steps along the way. So he really
grounded this idea of it's okay, just observe your elf
and be with it. Okay. Then, so part of this
(01:11:06):
next stage was something I'm really excited about this book
and this process is like the next juicy thing to
bring us in connection with our human So I'm going
to tell you a little story. Suppose there's a kid
and he's been bullied on the playground, and he's really upset.
(01:11:27):
But he comes home and he starts acting out, and
he's throwing his little temper tantrum and doing all this
stuff because he's upset. And the parent could say to him, well,
if you want to cry, go to your bedroom because
I don't want to hear it. Or they could say,
if you want to cry, I'll give you something to cry.
(01:11:50):
That's what our parents does. Or they could say, like
Ecker totally would say, Okay, you're welcome to cry. Just
go over there in the living room. I'll be over here.
You're safe, and just do your thing. So this next
(01:12:13):
step is connecting and empathizing. Is when they finished throwing
their little fit, come over here, sit on my lap,
tell me what's going on. Come over here and tell
me all about it. Now. Honestly, we don't have this vocabulary.
We have never been modeled at or training that you
(01:12:35):
have to develop that. And so the little kid says,
oh God, push down on the playground and I skinned
my knee and I don't know why they're so mean
to me, and I feel so horrible, and the parents like,
let's put a bandate on there, let me kiss it.
I'm so sorry. You're safe now, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, you feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
This is how we connect with these parts of herself.
Think about it, these human parts of herself suffering so
much and we don't want to have anything to do
with them.
Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Denise, thank you so much for sharing all of this
with us. I'm going to ask you a few questions,
as you know, because you've watched a few of these
episodes that I ask all my guests and kind of
a rapid fire thing. What is your definition of a
fulfilled life?
Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
M Doing what you love, being present with joy and
life and love, being alive.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Denise, what advice would she give you?
Would you give her?
Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It is gonna be okay. It's gonna be kind of
tough for a while, but don't worry. Everything's gonna be okay.
I've got you.
Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
And what advice would little Denise give you today?
Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Don't be so uptight try to control everything, and you
don't have to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
How do you define God or source love? What is love?
Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
It's the most powerful force that exists. It's a divine
matrix that holds us all together. It's all that is,
all that ever was, all time, all space, and we
are all fractal versions of that connected together as one,
although it's not apparent to us.
Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
If you could ask God or source one question, what
would it be?
Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Well, I can and I do, and it's like, how
can I be of greater service?
Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
How do you define liberation in this lifetime?
Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Inner liberation, inner freedom, Being able to know that all
is well, anything is possible, nothing is impossible, identifying as
this higher self, and being able to nurture this human
(01:15:22):
self as it arises every time this human self is
having a difficult time, just being able to say, come
over here and tell me all about it.
Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
That's freedom And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
To live it fully?
Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
And where can people find out more about you? And
pick up a copy of many one of your many books,
but your new book Creating a Soulful Space and your
classic Beyond the Space.
Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yes, So I have a website called Creating anew Earth
dot org and I also have Healing Hearts Support dot
com because I've started a support group for bereaeved parents
and you know, I really want to take a moment
to talk to bereeved parents because I've noticed that it's
(01:16:16):
it's really, really difficult to to open ourselves to getting support.
There's so many barriers, but I want you to know
there's a safe space here, a safe space where you
can connect with yourself, with me, with other people to
(01:16:39):
be able to get guidance through this journey, because you
don't have to do this alone. It can be such
an isolating experience. And one of the things that I've
been passionate about is is opening up the space for
bereaved parents to be able to connect with their loved ones.
(01:17:00):
And it's it's not as hard as you think. And
so you know, if that's you and you're really interested
in moving forward and to start beginning this journey of
opening to this to this love and to being able
to deal with this intense, intense grief, to reach out
(01:17:21):
to me. I also uh the books are available on
Amazon the there's links in the description and there's also
a link tree in the description that has the support document.
I talked about stillness. That's just step one, but there
are several things in this initial support document just to
(01:17:43):
ground people because there's it's so discombobulating, and so there's
there's specific practices to help you to just where do
I begin? Yeah, so so avail yourself to that through
the link tree document. And we have a Facebook group,
I have social media presence, so all of it's They
(01:18:05):
are creating anew earth dot.
Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Org and do you have any parting messages for the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Ah. I want to say thank you to Corey and
my spirit gods, my angels and sended masters to you
for this opportunity to be here. My heart goes out
to all those people who are suffering so deeply and
grieving the loss of their loved one. You're not alone.
(01:18:35):
We're here with you. All is well, It's okay.
Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
It's okay, Deniece. It's been such a pleasure, And thank
you so much for being so vulnerable and sharing so
much about your journey, Corey's journey, and I hope this
really does help people watching from now and for many
years to come as they continue to watch us. So
I appreciate you and everything you and Corey are doing
to awaken this planet. So thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
It's my pleasure and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
I want to thank Denise so much for coming on
the show and sharing her story with all of us.
If you want to get links to anything we spoke
about in this episode. Head over to the show notes
at Next levelsoul dot com Forward slash six one zero. Now.
If this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting.
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teach you. I'll see you next time.
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