NLS 611: BABAJI’S MESSAGE About Humanity’s FUTURE & COMING AGE of NEW EARTH! with Yogiraj SatGurunath Siddhanath

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they represent. Now, today's episode is one of those episodes
that kind of changed me moving forward. We have on
the show the g Yogi Master Gurunath, and Gurunath came
to our studio and the energy that I felt while
in the presence of this walking master was something I've

(01:57):
just never felt before. He has said that he has
met Baba g and Babaji is the one that gave
him his mission in this life and that he was
an enlightened being at fourteen. If I'm not mistaken, this
episode is going to rock your world, guys, So sit back,
relax and enjoy. I like to welcome to the show,

(02:20):
Yogi Rash.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
How you doing, Yogi Rash, Yes, I'm doing well.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Thank you so much for making the trip all the
way from India to Austin to visit me. I truly
am honored and it's a privilege having you in the studio.
I am so looking forward to our conversation because I
have studied a lot in yoga Nanda's work in Korea Yoga,
and I'm fascinated with Baba g as he's in the

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middle of all of the ascended masters there as well
as all the other masters that I have around us.
My very first question to you, Yogi Raj is I've
always said that when you are becoming a spiritual going
on in a level of the enlightenment, self realization, going
on the spiritual path Buddha Yogananda, they're they're very much

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monk like. But you are likely here in Mahashai who
had a family, have a wife, have a child. Because
I always said, if you want to truly test how
enlightened you are, spend the weekend with your family. You
have been able to do the work that you're doing
as a spiritual master while being married, marry and have

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a family and raise a family. How are you able
to do that? How can you balance the real world
with the spiritual path that you're on, because it seems
like it should be one or the other, but you've
been able to balance the two. So what advice do
you have for people? They want to go down this.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Path, say be a householder and yet achieve the goal.
And Abaji Maharaj Yoga of tar Lahirimasaya and Yanathar'sriyuktishar have
always wanted to send to this world householder Yogi's after

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the great work of course per months a Yogananda did
which he showed that a celebite and a Brahmachari can
also attain to enlightenment, and a householder Yogi can also
attain to enlightenment. And therefore they sent a household a
Yogi amongst all you people to show them no excuses.

(04:41):
I have a wife, my children are going to school.
I am going to get my daughter married. It will
all happen. Take it in your stride, but don't leave
your one or three hours of isolation. Your solitude with
the divine utilized one hour at least and many more

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if you can for your communion with your divine Indueller.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Beautiful, it's so in meditation. Many times you could do
it in meditation the hour of the three hours in
meditation to be connected with the divine.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
In meditation, you don't connect with the divine. Indueller, okay.
To connect with the indueller, you have to go to
a state of samadi.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
How do you get there?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
A state of samadi, to put it in Layman's language,
is a thought free state of tranquil awareness, where there
is not a single ripple of thought in your mind's lake.
And I always tell my disciples they advanced ones, hold

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your silence stillness still. If you hold your silence, you
cannot see the divine indweller. You cannot become one with him.
If you hold your silence and become still, you cannot
be one with the divine dweller. If you hold your
silence and stillness still, then you become one with your

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divine indweller because you are bereft of all thought. And
when all thought disappears, consciousness appears, which is another name
for Arthma or the divine indweller. So you have to
be in a state of nirvikalp samadi. You can also

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be in a state of Sampradhnat Samadhi, which is sabikal samadhi,
and get a vision of the Lord of your divine indweller,
but through the transparent glass, the mirror of your mind.

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So you and Sabikal samadi as long as the mirror
of the mind prevails the glass. Once you break the
mirror of the mind, there is no support and nothing
to hold on. Then you transit from sabikal to nrikal samadhi,
or in Yogic palance, as we say, from sampradhn'at to

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assam pradhnat samadhi. Some pradhnat means having knowledge of everything
in the world. All that there is is me, the birds,
the bees, the sky, the trees, the plant believes I
vibrate in everything in creation. But when you go beyond
all of this is me. That is the last and

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final state of the mind, last and final state of
the cosmic ego. When that evolves and you know that
even the state of all that there is is me
is but a very very very fine film of matter.
When the last veil is removed, you enter from sampradn'ath

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to asamprathn'ath samadi, the samadi beyond human knowledge and mind,
pure consciousness which we know as God barmathma Ishwar, or
the reality as I call it. The reality I have
described you to you the soul that it is a

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thought free state of tranquil awareness. The description in common
man's language of the Paramatmao supreme Spirit or God is
that it is an all pervading consciousness of stillness through eternity,
composed of nothing, yet of which all else is show composed.

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It stands supreme beyond all dreams, eternally reposed this world
our sages did perceive. These are some poems I made
to make people understand and describe God in other rather
than say the word God. Somebody told me to say
God without describe God without saying God. So I said,

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that's not very difficult. This world, our sages did perceive
is minds tough materialize in relative sequence. It is built deceiving, mortalize.
This is maya. All that is composed, they knew. All
that is composed, they knew must get decomposed. Where then

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does reality lie all matter being composed? That, because I've
eliminated all matter and creation with the stroke of the
pen of my realization, all that is composed must get decomposed.
Where then does reality lie all matter being composed? Then

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I go on to say that all pervading consciousness of
stillness through eternity, composed of nothing, yet of which or
else's show composed. It stands supreme, beyond all dreams, eternally reposed.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yogi Raj will be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. When I
was reading up on you, I learned that you became
Is it enlightened or self realized at three years old?

(10:46):
Or am I misreading that? When did you understand who
you were and what your mission was when you come
on this earth.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I was born in a certain state. Call it a
normal state, Call it enlightenment, call it a partial enlightenment.
I started becoming aware of this at the age of three,

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when I used to sit long hours with my grandfather
and lose consciousness, lose my mind and awaken in consciousness.
But I did not know that this is enlightenment, because
for me it was a very normal state, a natural state.
Every time I meet till this very day, when people

(11:38):
tell me we are feeling the impact of your transmission
as schizophrenias cured. You appeared to me in a dream.
I was having a dream and I thought I was
in a state of samadhi. You wiped that state away
and brought me to an absolute state of essential non being.

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And then I knew. So their experience of me gave me,
as through the passage of time, to know that I
am coming to a state of enlightenment. Because I was
very cautious not to declare myself as enlightened or even
say the word, for fear of the ego interrupting your ego,

(12:26):
my ego, because the ego never it's always lies dormant.
It's a very tricky thing, the ego, and it can
arise any time. So I never proclaimed or said that
I am enlightened. There was no reason to say so.
I had good friends, I was roaming and behaving with
others as a normal guy, you know, cracking my jokes,

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having my girls in a public school, had good boxing bouts,
ran my marathons, and did well in class. I used
to get a third division. I didn't know why I
didn't understand mathematics or trigonometry. It was alien to me,
and I was known as a laggard and a person
who was a dreamer. Because I used to look out

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of the window and see the nightingale on the tree
outside and become one with it. I used to be
wrapped in that awareness. Thirty years later, I came to
know that as a boy of twelve to fifteen, I
was going through a state of the Sammiyam of Sabik Samadhi,

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a state of sammyam where the subject and object become one.
But in school they have no such inner education of
Yogic lifestyle. So they called me a dreamer and a laggard.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Even in India where it was the birthplace of.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
This, but it was an English public school. I was
educated in Sherwood College, in an English public school in
nan ital God Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So that's why.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
And a lot of the cream the Krem de la
Krem of India came out of this school field. Marshall
Manik Show was from there. General Bakshi was from there,
and not the one on the TV, another one. Then
there was Amita Butchen the great actor, so Kabir Baby,

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all these luminaries came from there, and sitting amongst them,
I was quite a laggard because I was going into
states beyond mind. My subject was beyond mind. My school
taught me about mind. I was not about mind because
from my birth I was born in that state. So
I was a misfit, but I slowly fit in. I'm

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still in contact with my college friends. They were all
these big maid generals and all this, and we still
talk together, still in connection. But that time I got
through it. And then after that my schooling I went
to the Himalayas, and my schooling and learning and meditations

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in yoga began. I went through it very fast because
it was a recapitulation of all my past lives. And
I quickly went through the stages of h'an Dharana, you
know sa Samadhi, then to Nilrikal Samadhi, and I came
to know. But who will I tell it to? And

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if I tell it to them, will they understand?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Do they believe you?

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's not a question. I don't care whether they believe
me or not. I'm reveling in my own inner purity
fair enough, the essential non being, because I know that
behind the fragmented spacetime events of creation lies the all

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pervading awareness of reality grew up.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
One thing I want to ask you is so much
has been said of the Yogic path, the enlightened path
from Buddha who found enlightenment under the tree. There has
been a very over the years, over millennia, this kind
of romanticizing of enlightenment that Once you get there, you're

(16:22):
enlightened all the time, and you kind of live above
the world. You live in it, but above it. But
yet what you're explaining is like I felt the enlightenment.
I understood where I was. I understood that I came
in in this way and kind of rediscovered what I
was doing. But you had boxing matches, you have friends,

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you went to college.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You list. This was the first stage, just during my unfoldment.
And a Yogi is reborn, he is reborn into two houses,
in either the house of aus and wealthy person or
in the house of a pious brambant family. I was
born into the house a royal family, aristocracy. Of the

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Gallier families were connected, and we are the nobility of Gallier.
And I had all the facilities at my proposal, big halls,
rooms to meditate, silent places to meditate. But when you
are reborn, you recapitulate all what you have done in

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your past, and then you come to your present. So
you go back in time like in your last life.
If you're a painter, you start doing painting. If you
loved horse riding, which I did, we you do horse riding.
Then you compose poetry, like I'm composing poetry spontaneously. But

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after you get over that, you get to your own
original state, your inner being, who is the enlightened being.
There's a simple explanation for enlightenment in Pathangelei. In one word,
it is said, freedom from thought is enlightenment. So simple,

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but yet not so simple, very true, he has said,
chit the Britain hero Daha. When all that means your intellect,
your ego, and your mind, when they are all subdued
and silent, when you have totally transformed them and overcome

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them into a state of pure consciousness. That means when
you transit from divine mind. Divine mind is a state
of chanting devotion, but the doing philosophic things, chanting in groups, meditating,
having lower states of samadhi, like having a vision of Krishna.

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This is all the first stage of mind, okay. But
when you get to divine consciousness, there is nothing to
rest that pure consciousness. There is nothing but a vast
expanse which is beyond mind and beyond comprehension. Those who
tell it know it not, and those who know it

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tell it not. But we can always give pointers, which
I'm giving to that state. And now the state is
where I'm definitely in a state of my own and
I'm in the society not over it. I'm like sort
of just cruising over it, floating over it. The whole

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world is it's like moral less, like a dream, if
I may say so. So what those people said in
the final stages, it is like that, but you can
relate because we have come with a work. We have
a work.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
And our mission. My soul. Cry next level of soul
is the eleventh Commandment, which I'm telling you about now.
This is the next level of soul that I'm talking
to you right now. Okay, if earth peace is to

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herald the dawn of the new age, we must all
realize humanity is our uniting religion. Breath, our uniting prayer,
and consciousness are uniting God. This is the eleventh command

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of my organization called the Sidanath Yog Parampara. Then we
have for the people certain sayings what their work should be,
which is an appendix of the eleventh commandment. I say
we the humsa. Humsa means the soul, the swan, the psyche,

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We the souls, We the Humsars are meditated to the
furthering of human awareness. We the humsars are dedicated to

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new life awakening for earth peace through self peace. And
we the humsters are devoted to serving humanity as our
larger self. All this is the standing platform of the

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Sydnath yok Pampara. And this is the eleventh commandment for
the new age.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
This new age that you're speaking of, is that what
we are all going through as humanity right now, this
kind of upheaval, this kind of chaos. Everyone seems to
be awakening more and more. These conversations are not in
Himalayan cave anymore. Now they're going to be broadcast to Mary.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
They have to. It is said that three to four
hundred years ago, hence, at the time when Leo and
Aquarius in opposition to one another, they should appear the
Cualqui of the Oar. But through the Great Being, this
being is called the nameless one. He is called the

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non being essentiality, and he is called he about whom
not maybe said, And he is called simply Shiv go
up Shababaji. This Shiv go up Shababiji for short, is
called Babaji, and he by his intense concentrated, his concentrated mind,

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by his intense concentration, has accelerated the yugas and brought
upon us in the very new future the sata Yug.
The kul Kiyug is upon us. The kul Kyug is
we are passing through and now at the same time,
the Kalkiyug will be over soon, because as syuk Tishu said,

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we are in the dwopper their cycles within cycles. Within
the Kalki is the Traita. Within the Tretha is a dwopper.
Within the dwopper is a Satayug. The time for the
satyug is to come the minor satyug within the major
dwapper and this and the the super Kalki. So it's
called mathematical calculations wheeled within wield. The kulki is already

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born and in eight years, during which there will be
a lot of wars, emotional upheavals and turmoil amongst societies, chaos.

(24:23):
But I personally feel there will not be a world war,
but there will be a world war like situations, not
one situation, more situations which you can see now. But
the world is wise enough not to connect and create
a world war.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So there'll be a little wars like.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
The big wars. Right you create is a big war?
Right Israeli around may erupt or just fizzle be a
damp squid, may fizzle out into a treaty. But let
us see. By twenty thirty two, it is said that
this young boy Kalki, at age of twenty five to
twenty eight will declare the sati Yog the golden age.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Who's his boy?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
In eight years?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Is he alive now?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
He is alive now.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, this is what is said. People have seen this boy.
I have personally not seen him, but there's no harm
to wish and to think positive. Sure, if we think positive,
let's pray that he's there.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
And he will help.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
He will help GUIDs and he even twenty to thirty two,
after all this upheaval has come to rest and the
gunas are more or less balanced. That means he's already
working in the turmoil. Then he will declare the sati
Yog in twenty thirty two.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I've heard that from others as well. Seven years.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
There are the group of the Mahaprabhu Chetanyan of the
Krishna group who have prophesied this.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Twenty thirty two would be a declaration of the beginning
of this Satyu with all us to phase out.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So after twenty thirty two, that's when things start to improve, improve,
smooth things out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Smooth things out, and they will be done in a
surreal manner, not miraculous, almost miraculous results will take place, positively,
almost miraculous. Things are happening even now. The decapitation and
the elimination of certain heads of certain terrorist organizations are

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just going and it just in a flash. We don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Things are changing.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Things are changing.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
But these next seven years are going to be a
little bit bumpy.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
They will be bumpy, and they will be for but
the bumpiness will tend towards a settlement, a quiet, and
a peace which the profits they prophesy that by nineteen
thirty two it will begin on the upward climb to
sat te Yog twenty two, twenty thirty two. Two, Oh,

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this is the crucial age. We people are also working.
Since I sit here before you, I have my own
work of teaching people Krea yog. I do not know
whether it is appropriate for me to declare what I
do on this in this public standing. But I am
a worker amongst wakher. We will be working with and

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alongside the divine culki that's coming. Our work is more internal.
We work with the inner government of the world, which
people here called the White Lodge, of which they ascended.
Masters are a part and I can. Yes, we work
and we meet them all the time. But I will

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appear to you sometime when in your silence or in
your dream, and you will know who you have been
interviewed and all that. But that's a surreal story. Let's
take it as a big joke until I come to you.
But these people have to make themselves whoever they are.
Maybe they are others like me. There's this the gentleman Kulki.

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They have to reveal themselves. And not only that, they
have to show themselves by their work, not by the words,
but not by the words. You want to raise the
dead Lazarus, take up thy bed and walk. Yeah, you
have to say that these will be people with power
like that. Interesting, and we Yogis have been taught not

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to give people the menu, give them the food, give
them the experience. And those who are ready for it.
I am there to give it to them. I guide
them physically, I guide them asterly, coming in their dreams.
No harm if you're helping a good cause, whatever their
religious cast or creed. Humanity is our uniting religion, breath,

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uniting prayer, that is giving kreaog and consciousness are uniting God.
I give them the experience of a thought free state
of tranquil awareness.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Also, Guruna, I have to ask you. I'm you know,
one of the big parts of your story and this
earth and in this incarnation is meeting Babaji. Can you
please tell everybody what that experience was like when he
came to you and how did it change your life?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
If they sit with me in a silent room, instead
of telling them, I can give them an experience of
how I felt when I met baba Ji. This is
a state of samadhi, which is beyond mind. And how
can I with the mind relate to you something which

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is beyond the mind. I can say it was very nice.
The sun was setting and I was on the slopes
of the Drone Gerri Parbat. And as I turned around
from this, guys and I heard I saw the setting sun.
It went behind the clouds, and then suddenly the clouds

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were removed, and the sun, the evening twilight sun shone
in a beautiful ochre orange, casting its lengthening shadows. And
I said, ah, the light has come, and a voice
in the fir moment answered, indeed, will be right.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Back after a word from our sponsor, and now back
to the show.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
And then I was laying on my back. Then I
turned round onto my stomach and postrated, and I said,
who art thou? And the non being essentiality shiv Gouruk
Shababaji said that which thou thinkest me to be that

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I am to the air, I share air. I am
that I am. This is a short glimpse. I can't
explain the deeper experiences because there are no words. I've
done by a feeble attempt in my documentary film The

(31:22):
Wings to Freedom. But it doesn't justify the experience which
I had.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You were crying in that I remember watching that. You
teared up when you were That.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Was a very important cave, one of the caves I
had met him. But yes, you cannot hold the voltage
of the being. This being is so powerful. I was
the first one to give a most definitive experience of
Barbajee a thick book which I've written called The Lightning

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Standing Still. When Yogananda was born, his parents Bagati and
Gosh and his mother used to visit a temple regularly.
They were situated in the time of in the in
the city and town of Goakhpur. There was a temple

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of Goa Khanath. It's still there which yogadras where they
used to meditate fervidly and ask for a child m hmm.
And their first child was born to them in Majada.
It's mentioned. I think they named him after Gorakhnath. They

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called him Gorah Gore so Gora Khanath. Then the second
child was born he Babaji had mentioned formerly, and Sri
Yuku Sha had also known that a child in a
disciple would come, would be like a big steam engine
and take thousands of people in America to liberty and

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liberation and mash which he has done. And after that
he told his master and Incinata's look, master, I'm here
by your grace, but you are in your little room
over there meditating in Serampur. Yet you're Ashramoid juggannaut Puri
and I look at me in the air that moment

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the face of Sriyuku sher filled the skies and he said,
my son, you are watching it from planet Earth. I'm
watching it from old space. I'm watching I'm enjoying the
freedom of all space. So these masters are ever alive
and moving around, and you will get to know them soon.
Continuing this that Shri Yogananda was given this. When Yogananda

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was a little boy, people ask me, why do you
call Babaji Shiv Gorukh Shababaji. This is why I'm explaining
why his parents were Gourukur. The eldest son's name was Gorukh.
The second son who was born one day in a party,
he got lost as a little boy, seven year old boy.

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He went wandering off and they couldn't find him. And
then after hours of searching, they found him in the
temple of Gorukh Shanath, deeply lost in Shiva Gorukh Shah
Babajie's meditation, whom they whom the world popularly knows as
Babaji because Yoganan then his book has written, I could

(34:41):
have written of many more experiences, but Babaji has prevented
me to reveal the whole truth which today perhaps I'm
revealing a little more the other side of the story,
which was not revealed by yoganand is revealed in my
book Babaji the Lightning Standing. Still read it because if
you haven't read that in relation to Barbajee, you've read nothing.

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So they found him in the temple of Gorokpur at
Gorukhnath temple. They brought him and brought him up. So
this is a very interesting story that throughout the mistike
of Barbaji is never known. Who is Barbaji? Does he
have the name? Is he Shiva? When Shiver Gorukhshanath burst

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from the heart of Shiva at the beginning of time
and then appeared at every time I'm talking about the
person you know is Barbaji and every world cycle he comes.
In one of the world cycles, Matshendranath was praying deeply
for a disciple better than him. Then he went to

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the Himalaus and Shiver appeared. He asked Lord Shiva, please
give me a disciple better than me. Shiva told him
you're already enlightened. You've reached the goal. You can't get that.
So he said, still, I want a disciple better than me.
And when he clearing this more goruction much in the
nart you see. So when he asked for a disciple

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greater than him, then Shiver said, I must come as
your disciple, and Shiver came as Gorukhanath. And the same
goruch AaTh throughout the ages is being born and remaining
eternally born is Shiv Goruksha baba Jee is given in
my book The Lightning Standing Still, do read this book.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I plan to. I plan to. What was the first
teaching or the most important teaching, if there is one
that Babijee gave you to give to the world, it.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Was in my past life. I was already teaching krea
Yog with some of the people here. And it's not
proper to reveal everything. It says. You have to approach
in a humble way and let the people realize that

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there is no point me talking and yapping and giving
the menu of talk. Let me give you the meal
and then you decide for yourself. But I can give
you this much that I was teaching krea Yog in
my past life, blessed directly by Barbajee himself. No harm
in seeing that, because I will give you the pudding.

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The proof lives in the pudding. So I'm ready. I
have no skeletons in my cupboard, no reservations. It's like
a child. You come to me, sit in front of me,
Take the kriya yoke, take the experience. Don't like it,
you go away. Like it. You can come and stay.
But we are not concerned about the physical body and

(38:04):
physical happenings in this world so much as we are
concerned about the inner soul, which can never die. Like
Lord Sui Krishna said in his Ghita, why are you
grieving over bodies which have died? It's all me who's
died in the battlefield. It's all me. And he said, you,
urgin can never die. You are the immortal soul Naanam

(38:25):
Chunda Tishastrani, Nayanam Dehati Pavaka. Not lay the antiapa Shoshiyati Martha.
The breeze cannot dry me, the water cannot whet me,
the fire cannot burn me. I am the immortal Atma,
the soul. And that is this immortal Atma which is
shrouded and clouded by the veil of Maya, the illusion,

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that is the great illusion. And it is not the
soul that is liberated or in bondage. It is not
the Atma. It is the Buddhi or the intuition which
is swayed by Satan. The amkar, the ego is the satan.
Intellect to intuition is the Buddhi, which is the feminine
part of nature. She is taken to believe that she

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is the door of everything. Maya does everything. But when
through practice of yoga she gets out of the delusion,
she finds that the Lord is the doer, the naked singularity,
the one and only eternity. So it is not duality
that runs creation. It is the singularity. It is not plurality.

(39:33):
It is reality. So the the purpose of yog is
to get from duality to singularity. Let me tell you
one thing before, because it's a complex question. It's not
the next level of the soul. It is the next

(39:53):
next level of the soul. But let me say it
before it's missed out. We call God Paramatma.

Speaker 1 (40:03):

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Paramatma is both at once. Paramatma both at once empowers
creation and is inherent an eminent in creation as the Athma.

(40:33):
So the Paramatma empowers creation, and the Atma in creation
receives that empowerment is inherent as the soul of every
living being in creation. Now, sandwiched between the Athwa and
the Paramatma is the ego, Mano, Budi and amkar. It's

(40:55):
a it's a club sandwich, not a cindy, because it
is Parmatma, the bread of life, and the livingness is
the Atma. And within this is the game of Maya,
which is the chitta, which is composed of the three
laid club sandwich of intuition, that is intellect, ego, and

(41:19):
the lower mind. Now these sandwiches, if the soul which
is within the creation has to go to the Parmathma,
which is beyond the creation, the Atma must eat the
sandwich of creation with great care, or the Buddhi must

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eat it. For the Atma. The Atma will be ever present,
and every bite that the Buddhi will take in assistance
with the Atma, because you getting an empowerment from here
and within your soul is a corresponding empowerment to God.
Sandwiched in between is the ego. So when you eat
the ego, when you do things I did this I
on the tennis match. I'm the greatest boxer on earth.

(42:03):
I'm the best tennis player. The eye has to be
a claim. But see Christna says, and so does Shive
goruk Sha Babaji, that every thought word in deed you do,
you dedicate at the lotus feet of a liberated master,
the supreme Master Shiva Gourakh Shah Babaji, and then you
will create no karma. The ego will not stick on

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to you and make you reincarnate with an unfulfilled desire.
That unfulfilled the stickiness of the ego's desire, the unfulfilled
desires will be dissolved by your offering your ishu pronihan.
When you offer your body, mind and soul completely to
the Lord God and to the sad Guru, then you

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create no new karma that is called a karma non karma.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
So one thing you said there that I want to
kind of dig into a little bit is that we
are not liberating the soul. There is a idea in
the world that the soul is trapped here, that we
are trapped in this incarnation, and that we are trapped
in this circle of reincarnation constantly, that we're like always

(43:18):
trapped and trapped, and we're trying to liberate ourselves. And
when we find enlightenment or self realization, we are free.
But what you just said is the soul is not
you're liberating now? Is what are we liberating when we
find enlightenment.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
We are liberating the intuition, the subtlest part of the intuition,
which is called buddhi manus now the subtlest part which
is liberated. It's like, you know what, We go into battle.
The Buddhi fights the battle for the king. The king

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is sitting on his throne. He does nothing, he's observing
because of his presence, he is giving the power for
the intellect intuition to fight the battle. And just as
the king is not won the battle the ego and
the king. When you conquer the ego, and you conquer
your own intuition and the ego, you give the credits
of the victory to the king. So also the buddhi

(44:16):
when it is liberated, it says the soul is liberated.
He is liberated and he is bound. But the soul
cannot be liberated nor bound. I'll give you an example.
It's like the moon. The moon is in the sky,
that is the Athma the soul. The reflection of the
soul is the Buddhi with the waters, the turbulence, which

(44:41):
is which are the dynamic rajasik ego. So all the
while you feel that the soul is trapped because the
Buddhi takes on the form of the soul and find
it is disturbed by many thoughts, sexual thoughts, angry thoughts.
This because the moon is then unaffected, but the reflection
of the mo moon appears to be caught the reflection

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of the soul. That reflection of the soul is not
the soul, but it is the intellect to the intuition
which appears to be the soul. And when the soul,
by yoga practice quells the freedom and gets the freedom
from the mind, quells the thoughts, and it finds itself

(45:23):
as still as its master above, then it realizes its folly,
that it was not the door of all these worldly actions,
but the door is there, and that moment it realizes
it goes into the Atma. So the intellect, the Buddhi
is one.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
With the Atma.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Shiva Shakti merges into Shiva.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That is the most beautiful explanation I've ever heard of
what the soul is. And just so I'm clear and
for everyone watching it's unclear. I'm just going to repeat
and try to interpret what you just said. That the
moon itself is the soul.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yes, this is a metaphor.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It'd give you a beautiful I love metaphors. Yes, I'm
a storyteller, so I love telling stories and metaphors are amazing.
So the moon is the soul, the ocean.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Is the is, the is the is the stuff the
mind stuff of Maya. Correct, So this is called mind stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
So it's the illusion. So the ocean that is reflecting
the reflection of the moon has all these ways, all
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And if you are because of the rajasic and dynamic
nature of ego, which is rajio gun, which is pran
the rajo gun, the dynamic nature in Maya, procrity and
Maya and delusion of the of the cosmic mind. There
is the intellect which is then there that is the Buddhi.

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Then there is the ego, which is rajo gun, and
then there is manus, which is the typewriter no brains
of its own, is just typing down what the Buddhi
and the ego. Do the ego, with its power of pran,
whips up the waves of emotion in the mind's lake,
that is the rajasik gun and you cannot give it.
I I have realized this. I've been through this. So

(47:10):
I'm giving the example. And when by the practice of
pran itself, you take a thorn, to take the thorn out,
you take the pran to use the pran. Pran is
the one that disturbs. Pran is the one that disturbs
you in creation and binds you to Maya. And Pran
is the one that can relieve you from maya. Prani
bandan karta he or prana hey hey matma hey, pran

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rup martma jago de hame moksha.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
So that's so beautiful. So when you' with the waves,
the waves of the ocean are the mind, the ego,
and that's the delusion. But when you meditate and calm
the mind, that's when the waters settle. When the water
is set to a point, do you now.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
To calm the mind. The breath disturbs the mind. You
use the very breadth to calm the mind. With the
breadth that disturbs that very breath calms the mind. That
is the lynchpin of yoga at its initial stage, and
the lynchpin of yoga at his final stage is yoga

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has samadi. It's yoga. You can call it yoga samadi
ah god abaji.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Hm So breath is the key. It's the lynchpin to
the key.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
There are many keys and many locks. Each body has
a key in a lock and with that particular kya,
that which you called the technique. The type of samadis.
These are the keys. You see the many keys dharana
dyan samadi divided into with kasamadi the key of reasoning.
Next comes the which are samadi the key of meditation,

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so it's it's trans meditation, not the lower meditation. After
which are is anan the samadi. So that is the
samadi of joy and bliss, So reasoning, contemplation, of meditation,
bliss is the third one and the last one is
a smith samadi. A smith samadi way is the highest

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stage of sa samadi, where you realize that all that
there is, all that is is me. From that you
get to the final stage where you realize, sir smith samadi,
where you think that you are the whole creation is
love and light and you are aware of everything going

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on in creation. But when you go to a higher
stage beyond the divine mind, this divine mind into divine consciousness,
from Sabikar to nirvikav Samadi, then you take out that
when you keep meditating and save visions of Krishna and
Ram and everyone and are very holy, and you can

(50:05):
see God in the burning bush, and all these things.

Speaker 1 (50:09):

Speaker 2 (50:19):
When you see through that and realize that even this
the state of existence, consciousness and bliss, even this is
a very fine film of mind and matter. And when
you can see through this and you reject that, then
the final veil of the great delusion is unveiled, cast off.

(50:45):
And then is the solitary singularity about which nobody knows anything.
Nobody can say anything. We can only experience it.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Cruno, let me ask you when you find this, when
you are at the stage that you just explained, and
you haven't died, you haven't moved on, you haven't transitioned,
and you come back to live amongst them.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I have died and moved on. The body is just
my vehicle is just a facility. Somebody buys a Chevrolet,
somebody buys the Mercedes. You just choose the body and come,
I know what is the end of this body. I
know that I'm going to lead it. I know I
have to keep it super fit to be able to
serve humanity as my larger self. Humanity is also my

(51:36):
larger self in the vaster cosmic scenario. In the individual scenario,
I have been cut clean of all desires and thoughts.
But in a world scenario, in a cosmic scenario, miss,
how much have you cut off from creation? And some
people who have cut off totally are sent back by
high command? That is the non being essentiality. I call

(51:58):
Barbaje the non being essentiality. Barbaji is the isness of
the zero not zero?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
What does that mean? He is the being?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
That's why I'm saying they are so mighty in their
expanse and their state of realization that words fall beggarly hm.
I mean, we're with a begging bowl of words with
a few coins. You want us to construct the splendor
of Barbije? Impossible?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Fair enough? Fair enough? One question I have to ask you,
and I'm gonna tell you an experience I had. I
had the pleasure of going to Mount Washington to Yogan
Nanda's ashram. Yes, that's where in Mount Washington in Calamount,
Washington in California.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
That's where the he's his Samadhi is built there.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
First he was in the in that cript, yes, and
he was taken out and now grant glory be to Yoganandaj.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So when I went, I was given the honor of
actually going to his room where he lived that they
haven't touched since he has transitioned. And we walked in
once through. The brother who was walking me walked me
through and I would feel I felt the second I
started even walking towards the room, I started to feel

(53:15):
the energy. And when I walked in the room, I
start to really understand what was happening. But then I
got I asked them, can I meditate here for five minutes?
And He's like sure, And I sat at the edge
of Yoga Nanda's bed and touched his shoes, his slippers
and I started to meditate and Gurna, I cannot explain

(53:37):
to you what happened. I went into a deep meditation
like that. I mean, I'd never it takes me a
minute when I meditate to get in, like to go down.
I was there like that, and the funny thing is
I started seeing things coming in and I started to go, I.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Don't know something. Yeah, why your mind went into that?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Why?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Because you will prepared for it? You were wanting it. Yes,
do you know why your mind is not going into that?
Because you have changed the compartment. You have come into
your intellectual compartment. You're interviewing a yogi who you don't
know from Adams, and therefore you are not ready. But
it can happen right here at the table. Sure, there

(54:21):
are hundreds of people who have had experiences, and that
is the work of the masters. Ryukisher gave it, Liarry
maus I gave it all true masters. You see the
litmus test of the master. There are three litmus tests,
but one of them is when you see him. He's

(54:44):
not a physical body. He's a congealed soul.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
He's a frozen soul taken form for you to grasp.
If I came in just an awareness, you wouldn't be
able to see me. So when he comes as a
congealed soul, you grasp him, and he's able to teach
the mind is coming in the way of the experience,
and to interview me, you have to use mind. Otherwise
you cannot interview me. So I would suggest that when

(55:11):
you have put your mind to rest or I have
put your mind to rest, then you can come and
we can have some sessions together. And I'm having three
sessions here in the United States. First session I'm having
is at Mount Madonna. They've called me. There was a
yogi there called Swami ram Ramswami I think. Then the

(55:37):
next one is at Oxnard, and the third one I've
had the first one at Ashville. Second is Mount Madonna.
So you're welcome to send your people or come. Of course,
we can't do much in an interview because the frame
of mind. We are framed in the frame of mind.
In order to get the experience, we got to break

(55:59):
the aim of mind. The moment you break the frame
of the mind, you get into consciousness and experiences all yours.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Well, I'll tell you what, Guruna. As we're having this conversation,
I'm already feeling certain things.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You're an energy feeler. You can feel it now. Also
you can feel the energy between a normal person and
a yogi. Of course, you're sensitive to that.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, but I feel it. I feel it as when
you walked in. Yes, yes, and as the deeper as
we're talking.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's what I mean, the mind of a professional person.
This is a sacred secret. So after one hour you
have opened up and admitted it on the phone that
the moment you walked in, this radiation and feeling was there. Sure,
and you said, hey, no menu today, boys, only food.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
The chef is bringing the chef is bringing the food out.
You're just gonna eat directly.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
But you insisted on talking about the meknew because of
all the people who want.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
To hear Oh, yeah, because we can't broadcast the food.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
But I describe the menu. I told you how to
eat the sandwich of the ego by surrendering it to
the Lord, and then you create no new karma.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So when you came into this life, did you have karma?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Let me tell you. Let me not talk about myself
because then that will tend to be egotistic.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And this fair enough.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
And I'm just a Josh Moore. I like to crack
dirty jokes. I like to enjoy myself. I like to
have great, good fun with my grandchildren. But when I
go deep, I really go. So question is there are
two three types of people. The first people who are
normal people incarnate with their own karma and they have

(57:44):
to go through the good and bad of it. Some
people they incarnate with partially their own karma and partially
take on the karma of their disciples. And the third
type of people are those people who incarnate with no
karma of their own, but they choose to take on

(58:07):
the karma of their disciples or as in the case
of Larry Mass, Sire Babaji during Larry Mass as incarnation
as Barthhari Nat. When Babaji was goruction art Barthari went

(58:29):
into battle. He was told that he died in battle.
So his queen Pingala Rani went into the funeral fire
as a true Sathir, true Indian lady. She committed johor
not sur When Barthari came, he started crying, Oh, my

(58:52):
queen is gone, My queen is gone. Babaji happened to
be passing through that boy that's in my book the
Lightning Standing Still. This example. He happened to be passing by,
and he said he sat by the king birthury. He
also he took his bowl mud bowl, he broke it.
Berthery was crying for his queen. He was crying for

(59:13):
the broken bowl. Oh. Berthery said, hey, Yogi, are you crazy.
It's just an earthen pot. That's not you. It's just
the shell of this thing. So Barbaji told berth Y not.
He said, yes, Yogi is Similarly, the queen that has
dyed is just the shell her Atma. Her soul is immortal,

(59:37):
so don't cry for that which is not worth crying for.
Then he said no, no, I want to see her.
He said, okay, get me water. So Barbaji you got
over shif godak Sha, Babiji, you got a water. He
sprinkled it on the dead body, and a hundred queens
appeared before birthry Nor who was Lahiri Mahasaya in his

(59:59):
past life. I'll tell you why because I've researched this
and experienced it. He there was another person, but I
won't talk much about Vikarma. His brother Swinny got this.
He said, now choose your wife. So he said I can't.
They're all alike. He said, this is Maya. Then he

(01:00:21):
sprinkled again. Original Maharani Pingala was there. He spoke to
our besieged her to stay back, She said, no, karma
has happened. I have to move on, but I will
be meeting you again. And she moved on, said will
be meeting you again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
So this desire Barbaje kept in the mind of this
great lofty Yogi Yogata Laharimasaya's escape velocity was so powerful
that he would escape even the event horizon and the
escape velocity of all delusion. Had Babadi not kept him
down with this desire of seeing Pingola again, that first

(01:01:13):
desires planted in his mind, the second desires planted in
his mind when he said, now I will initiate you
a mysterious being vikrama about whom I will not detail
or talk about, Doro that will lead to a whole
new shocking chapter. He led him up. He led Barbadi
to the throne, and he sat there with the scepter

(01:01:37):
of life and death in his hands. The Great King
of Kings, the Lord of all lords. Babaji is the
collective Elohim of the angelic hierarchy of the heavenly host,
the master of masters and not an ascended master but
perpetually descended, so that the whole of creation may be

(01:01:58):
ascended by his sent Interesting. So he sat there and
he said, Lahiri, I will give you initiation initiated him.
And he got down from the throne and he went back.
Then the desire for being in the palace remained in

(01:02:21):
Bertha's mind. Am I right? When it remained in Bertha
his mind? In the next life, baba Ji designed a
golden palace in the Amalias by his Kriyashakti Yan Shakti Andashakti.
That was the palace that he desired in his past
life as the nath Yogi Bertha in art okay, you're

(01:02:46):
the same scene, A seraphic being came, Babaji came. He
went to the throne, the scept of life and death
in his hands. It's mentioned an autobiography of Yogi, but
the other link is not mentioned, which I've provided in
my book Lightning Stent Still that fills the other gap.
So and he said, Lahiri failed, the emeralds fail, the

(01:03:11):
rubies in the palace fulfill your past life's desires which
were not your own. But I kept so that you
can reincarnate on earth to hold you down your escape velocity.
So these Yogis are totally free, but they are kept
down by the choice of their masters or they choose
some karma on their own. So Lahiri was required. And

(01:03:33):
then after that when he went, he was already married
to Kashimuni. The first desire married to Kashimuni who was Maranipingla.
The second desire is seeing the palace which he took
away from him in his past life. And he went
as a as a nath yogi in the forest with
coruction art. So this is the the The are ascended masters,

(01:03:54):
the Nona you know Raunghe. They are the nine colors
of the nine knatss. So beautiful. I hope I'm not
giving out more than I'm supposed to. So I'm going
to be flooded with questions. Now. These are the two
that proves Lahiri mass I was birthery in his past life.
The desire for his queen fulfilled as a married yogi

(01:04:14):
in this life. Ho household a yogi which they want
everybody to be Babaji a household a yogi. I am
a household a Yogi. I was destined to me by
the grace and glory of Babaji. The second one is
the palast materialized. So this is this is the thing
which I'm linking up as to these great they would

(01:04:36):
be greater than ascended masters, but they would be descended masters,
the descended masters the Avdar.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
One of the other things that Yogen underspoke a lot
about an autobiography Yogi was the introduction of at least
to the west of the yogic powers, the levitation by
a location, manifestation and all this kind of thing. From
what I I understand in my research and studies is
that those powers, the yogic powers, could be traps in

(01:05:07):
the tray, in the in the in the path or
the journey of enlightenment. They are not traps at all,
Sami explained.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
They are not traps at all. Okay, it is your
weakness or your distracted mind may be misled, you know,
like little Red riding Hood in the books picking up
apples and flowers and buttercups and disease. Yeah, So these
cities have so much powers that first is a possibility
of an ego to arise in you right and secondly

(01:05:34):
for you to use these cities and to misuse them,
not that you will be there are people who've use
their cities and they have not fallen into the trap.
There are people who have uh used these cities and
not been tempted are distracted along the path, and there
are people who misused sidis also. So they say best

(01:05:55):
is to keep away from it, because according to me,
don't you use the cidies and pray to them and
go with folded hands in front of your cydis. You
attain to that state of the Paran Mukta Jeevan muk
and Paran mut that the cydies come folded hands before

(01:06:16):
you and say, Master, tell us what to do. The
cydis were used. If Barbaji didn't use them, they were
at his beck and call at his service. So the
cities must come to you. Then they are used. There
will be no temptation of a fall because you've no
desire for them at all. You've bypassed them by miles

(01:06:37):
totally avdoth you've disconnected. So that's why they say when
you're practicing, when you are ascending, don't use them. When
you've descended, they come as your maids and staff servers,
and they do it without you knowing. Also they do
your work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Gurunas as the world is becoming little bit more chaotic nowadays.
In these next seven years, as we talked about, we're
going to be a little rocky. A lot of people
are fearful of what's happening. The institutions that are crumbling
around US, wars, economic try, food, media, all these things
are changing, and they're very fearful. What advice do you

(01:07:18):
have for people who are.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
My advice to the fearful people is, don't be fearful,
be doful, get up and do, and if you can't do,
don't be fearful. Engage in some sort of an activity
which will go towards they're bringing about of peace on Earth.
Whether it's sitting alone in your room and meditating and creaoke,

(01:07:41):
whether it's sitting alone and you know, praying for earth peace,
whether it's joining some peace organizations. If you're in diplomatic circles,
do go ahead, Do meet heads of state, have conclaves
and conferences where you can tell them and convince them.
Which I said in one of my talks, Earth peace
shall not come about by United Nations organization. Earth piece

(01:08:05):
shall come about by United Minds organization, not by you
and O, but by you M O. And this can
be done by actively pacitive participating in peace gatherings. Go
for it, no matter how small, give it a try.
Don't be pessimistic. Oh it's a small thing. It's not
good effect it is. And let me tell you one

(01:08:26):
good thought and meditation has a ripple effect. Like in
a still pond of the world, you throw one pebble,
it has a ripple effect in the whole pond, So
one good thought will have a ripple effect on the
whole of humanity. Therefore, I tell them to do what
technique I've given besides called the Earth Peace meditations, where

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they let explode from their hearts eight billion, seventy million swans,
seventy million, seventy thousand million, that's each soul in humanity.
Let these missiles of peace explode in the hearts of
humanity and put your hand in a circle of o

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spread Earth peace through self peace. That's one of our
mission statements devoted to new life awakening for Earth peace
through self peace.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Why are we as humanity right now awakening more and
more to this information to understand the realities we're breaking
maya more and more now than we have ever been.
People are looking searching for this knowledge. Why is that
happening now?

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Natural evolution of different stratas and straits of humanity which
are there. And another exporting process is fear, fear of death,
fear of the unknown, and fear of war. So they
make an effort to know what is death, what is

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after death? How can war be avoided? How can the
sufferings of war be mitigated? All these things accumulated contribute
to an inner urge to find that Eliza which will
quench the thirst of all ages.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
and now back to the show. Can you explain a
Kundoline awakening?

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
I can give you a kundolinear awakening without the traumatic
effects of the Kundoline awakening by techniques of crea yoke,
so that you see Kundoline awakening is just the process
of the divine energy is like a volcano. It pushes
its energy up. And first what is thrown out of
the volc you know magma mak. So also when you

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when the mark or the negative thoughts are thrown out,
you start jumping like a frog, or you start howling
like a dog, or you start these are things of
your negativity which are thrown out. But don't I don't
agree to this sudden awakening of Kundalini. It's not with
the circadian rhythms of nature. If you want to do it,
had it come gradually with no traumatic effect. Do your

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twelve mahamudras every day twenty four mahad madras one forty
four kreas one hundred and eight kreas and gradually build
the capacity of your mind. And as your mind gets purified,
the Kundalini energy, which is the electromagnetic energy in your body,
will gradually through A milder name for Kundalini energy is
Prana is breath. The bread turns to pran. Pran turns

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to krea yog Triayog turns to Kundalini energy. Kundalini energy
turns to Sabikalpa Samadi and that sabikul Samadi. The mother
then goes into nivikal Sama, the old reality. This is
called the alchemy of total transformation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And that's with the chakra system, that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Is the system of yogiaj Gurunath Sid the North as
he teaches in his side North yog Parampara. For others,
I cannot speak for this, I will give you the
menu and the food, both at once.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Okay. So when you when you sit in silence with
the divine, what do you pray for, not as a
master but as a soul. What do you pray for
for humanity? What is what are you putting out into
the universe? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I don't pray for humanity. I become humanity. I expand
into humanity. And let the Lord God do a double
osmosis through me, so he knows best what is to
be done. Where there is to be war, there will
be war. The evil shall be mitigated. Whether suffer are

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they suffering shall be aliminated. Some people who deserve a
good reward shall get their states of Samadhi. So it's
all varied in this varied world of maya. So let
the Lord do it. I myself cannot ask for one
simple thing in that sitting. I ask, oh, Lord, what

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is that thing by which everything will be perfect? And
the Lord says, without saying it, I am that thing
by which everything will be perfected. That's the best thing
to ask for as a master.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
As you're walking this earth in this incarnation, at the
level your spiritually, how do you balance in how do
you balance living in Maya. How do you balance those
two things?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
The living in Maya was of secondary detail, and I
balanced it. Sometimes I didn't balance it, and I couldn't
care less.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I balanced my own life. Sometimes I fell with bleeding knees,
sometimes I felt with a broken shouldered couldn't careless. But
for others I did care that they all got kreao systematically,
that they were all moving towards God or thing. So
my work in this world is not objective, It is subjective.

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It is helping all my disciples to flower into the
likeness of their own being, which is God.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
What is the most misunderstood aspect of Korea Yoga or
your teachings in general that people just misunderstand.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
See where they misunderstand It is their ego. I think
ignor Prince is coming in the way, and everyone has
a right to do what they want. If you want
to be a drunkard, go ahead. After telling you you
don't listen, then the karmaic law will take place. The
law is a great teacher. Karma is a great teacher.

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So we lay before everybody in the Crea Yog, but
no pressure, we force nobody. We tell them that Yog
itself helps you to do what you're doing better. There
never has been, nor will be a time when man's

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immortal self shall cease to demand his best and foremost attention.
And yoga is the science of the pursuit of this
immortal self. There never has been, nor will be a time.
Aqu I think this is right, that there never has

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been or will be a time when man's immortal self
shall cease to demand his best and foremost attention. And
yog is the science of this, the pursuit of this
immortal self, which makes you realize that you are not

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a perishable body, but an immortal soul.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
If you have one teaching to give humanity before you
leave this incarnation, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Silence?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Why? Silence?

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Because hold your silence, stillness, still, for then you will
become Divinity's will.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
In your opinion, how do you balance free will versus destiny?
So many people are so caught up in I have
free will, I can do whatever I want. There's no destiny,
there's no one's telling me what to do. Is very egocentric,
But we all have a journey, we all have a purpose.
We all have a path that we must walk. How
we walk it I feel is, in my opinion, is

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where the free will comes in. But there are these
kind of mile markers throughout life that like you're gonna
meet this person, You're gonna do this, You're gonna do that.
But how you get there is up to you. How
do you balance the two? What is the it's your
definition of it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
As a matter of fact, everything is free will. But
this free will is bound by our own post actions,
which are called to sound scars. Sound scars are post memories.

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The mass integration of these post memories make you have
certain tendencies. The sun scars make you, lead you to
certain thoughts, and those thoughts make you do what you do. So,

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if I have constantly been a carpenter in my past life,
the momentum of those past karmas of repeatedly being a carpenter,
those impressions which are in my subconscious of being a carpenter,

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getting the world, sawing the word, making a box, hammering
the nails, done it thousands of times many lives before
this this life will make me a carpenter or a
huge boss of packers and movers, packing and moving. So

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your destiny, what action you do? The karma that you
do in the present determines what you will be in
the past. In the future, when that becomes the past,
that comes upon you and you have to fulfill that
desire because all these actions are desire filled. Now those

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desires have to be filled, they have to be fulfilled.
And therefore you had a free will in the past,
but you molded it such by constantly being a carpenter
that you're a carpenter in this life. You had a
free will in the past, but you painted so many

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thousands of pictures that when you came in your next berth,
the soul incarnated with those past impressions.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
And skills.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
The brush and the paint automatically appeared in front of you,
and your skills spontaneously went into motion, and you become
a great picasso or a Ravi Varma.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
So the free will has been there are there are
many free wills of your individual self that as you
expand and evolved, there is the spirit of the earth,
who is the larger part of you that has its
own free will. Then they're a larger part of you.

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Still the inn essence of that larger expansion is called
the galaxy that has an informing spirit, and then the
the supercluster has an informing spirit, and so the whole
cosmos has an informing spirit. These informing spirits have vaster
and vaster areas of operation. You will not realize them,

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but you have to evolve to them. Your consciousness has
to and from your individual consciousness to the consciousness of
the Earth, which belongs to the spirit of the Earth,
to the consciousness of the solar system, to the consciousness.
So in that it is you yourself, your higher self,
which formerly has laid down those laws of nature, your

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consciousness only. But you, evolving at this particular stage, are
free to do what you like. But you have your
local standai area. You can shift this table from here
to there. You can shift that television set from there
to here. You can make changes and do whatever you like.

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But within the parameters and limits of this room, a
bigger being can do whatever he likes. In the world
more powerful beings you are President of Russia and America.
They are more powerful. Their theater of operation is bigger
than yours. Because they sound scars may have had that authority,

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so they operate in that area. Then they are bigger
inner government of the World's areas, bigger beings of the
inner government of the world. They are sended masters. They
have a bigger theater of operation. So there is free will.
There is free will, But as for your own capacity,
you cannot just say, oh, I have free will. Okay,

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rain today can't say that. But if Lahiimasai looks up
to the Skaya street, thisisher says, let there be rained
this evening. They are the masters of the elements. They've
acquired those powers and sidies and those past some scars,

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and they can make it rain. So different people have
different levels of freedom. The ones that are jumping is
the ego you are free. But your freedom is your
who is your master, who is your larger self, who's
your pay source, your parents is the spirit of the earth.
So your freedom of spirit is there within the spirit

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of the earth, but limited to the spirit of the earth.
That spirit of the Earth has its own domain of
freedom of spirit. So you see, your freedom is guided
by the universal laws of this world, of the solar
system of the cosmos. So you are free in a
way within the limits of your own karma and sound,

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scar and you are bound by the greater laws of nature.
That you can't tell the sun to rise at twelve
o'clock in the night. That's a bigger freedom which the
sun himself can rise and set. Certain things start happening
with any old Joshumo saying it, there'll be chaos and

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the end there'll be prelay destruction of the earth. So
your free will is only to your karma and your
capacity of your destiny. Destiny is not all for done.
Destiny is what you make you know in your past,

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which becomes a fixture in the future. Let me give
you an example.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
I am a child playing with mud. I let in water,
and I say I'm going to build this like this
with clay and then turn it to the right, and
then turn it again to the left. So I have
like this, But I can change it if I want
to have the free will. But if I wait overnight,

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there's not that clay becomes hardened. Who has done that?
Me myself, and me myself, I am bound by my
own past karma because of time. Time is hardened your
cause you have chosen to take this course. It's your
free choice, but not at a whim. Free wid is
not a kneedier action. It is the action of past

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present in future. Your individual present tells your individual past
to each one has allotted his exact and proper task.
You say, Gulnath, why does my waterway flow like this
to the right and then to the left. Why can't
I change it by my free will? Are I?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yourself have made it through a few free will, But
the passage of time has hardened it, and now you
have to obey it. So time is one of the
things that hardens the free will, also because it is
impressed in your mind as that passage of going right
and then left that way that waterway is made. So

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you have free will. What you do in the past
comes to the in the present, and you have to
strengthen that if you break it, it will not break you.
Well be a disturbance of mind. So destiny is nothing
but what you have done in the past. What you
have done in the past is your present destiny. What

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you do in the present will be your future destiny.
The doing is called karma. Karma means building off a bridge.
Once it hardens, you have to go along the line
of less you can, but with great effort you can
change it. But it will require a great effort. So destiny,
you know, and will they both go. They work in tandem.

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You used your will to make this roadway in the past.
Now that roadway, which you used by your free will,
has become your destiny. But it was your free will
in the past which has made it to your present destiny.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Let me ask you this. There was an experience I
had years ago where I went to Mexico, and in Mexico,
I want to go visit the pyramids. I went to Chichenitza, Koba, Tulum,
and when I was in Coba, I was there was
this big, you know, ancient pyramid there and people were
walking up it. So I was like, okay, let me

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walk up it. And I start walking up you know,
the stairs, like and not looking anywhere else, just looking up.
And then about halfway through I stopped because I got tired.
I'm like, let me just rest here for a second,
and I turn around, and that's when I discovered that
I did not like heights. I was like, oh my god,
I was terrified. I had never felt that in my life.

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And then I slowly went down all the way down again.
But that was the first time I was experienced that,
like not a terrifying, terrified, paralyzing fear, but a fear
that was like, you know, other people could just skydive
and do this, I can't. It's not something I'm doing.
So then in a meditation years later, I'm in my

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meditation and I see I assume me in a past
life being thrown off of that pyramid, very right? Is
that what that was? I was seeing glimpses of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yes of that. So you must have been thrown from
a height, and you had a fear for that height
or maybe even that bitrimit. And you know, these fears,
they don't arise, there's no chance for them. They can
only be tested, and they can only arise when the
opportune moment arrives. So the opportune moment is getting to

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a height. When you got to a height, you found
that you had a fear for height, and this is
because of your being thrown off in the past life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
So that does happen. So there's a reason why, for
whatever reason, I'm really I'm really drawn to acoustic guitar,
I can't play. I would love to, but I can't.
I just don't know how to play it, or haven't
I tried or couldn't do it. But whenever I hear
acoustic guitar in any form, flamenco, you know, just the normal,

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I absolutely am drawn to it, and I have to
believe in a former life I had to do something
with that music, had to be that that had some effect.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Now that there, you may you may have been connected
to this Guda rom listening to it from a past life,
whether it be in Spain or Spanish. Sure, certain Spanish
things attract you also a lot. Oh yes they do,
they Spanish because you have been a Spanish person in
one of your past lives where you are in a

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musical band in that musical but besides one instrument, you
must be attracted to other instruments that were or wanting
to play some other instruments.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
But yet I have no I have no talent. You
have not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
You have no talent, not in this life, not for that.
But you liked you like to listen and play.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I would It would be a dream of mine to
take a guitar and just start to play. But apparently
in this life, if I would have had that gift,
I might have gone down that road.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
You would have been a rock star and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
And the universe is like, no, no, no, no, you
have other work to do in this lifetime. You can
enjoy it, but you were not. You're not gonna have
the skill set in this life because it's not what
you're supposed to be doing. So I just I'm bringing
this up as an example of how people listening can
just look at the things that they're interested in, look
at the energies that they have, what they what is

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what makes them happy, and it's it's like what Joseph
Campbell said, the great, the great philosopher, to find your bliss,
and that's how you follow the path. What makes you
happy is and a lot of times it's not what
makes you money at the time, But that's what following
your bliss is. Would you agree. We'll be right back

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after a word from our sponsor, and now back to
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Following your bliss your happiness, you follow your bliss. Well,
sometimes you don't have bliss, you have aggression. Yes, you do,
do it till the bliss comes. It is not easy
to get by and this odd times. But yeah, it's
not so unscientific as following your bliss. You see, I've
written a poem in this book of mind wings to freedom,

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and that'll explain a lot of the questions which people
have that the law of karma is the ultimate law.
I mean, I could read to you one of the
chapters of that which could clear the misunderstandings of a
lot of people that they have. You see to the

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truth is truth, begon this is you see. Your karma
is nothing but and more. Of course, it's Newton's third
law of motion that every action has an equal on
opposite reaction. So this is very important law. If you
do good things, you reap good things. You get what
you deserve, you reap if you do good, you reap good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
So then for the people who who say in and
we have experienced this, why do bad things happen to
good people?

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Why do god bad things happen to good people? Because
the answer to this is this. You look at his
present life, but you don't see his past life or
what he has left behind in this life. In the
past you see have you seen a cruise show? A
crow show is a square knitting cloth with big spaces

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that you can crochet. Yes, yes, yes, I don't know
these are ladies things, so yes crochet, Yes, crochet looks
very good. But in that crochet, have you ever turned
it at the back, it's very ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Correct the front, the front style very good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
So for us it appears that good bad things happen
to good people. But if you turn around, they get
what they deserve because they have done things in the bad.
They have done things in the past which are not good.
So to each one is meet it out his exact
and propose soul. Each one is meeted out his exact

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and propose scorn. So this, this unbribeable judge, is called
the karmic law, who balances the ups and downs of
lives of man, fitting the jigsaw of our fates as
we ourselves had planned. This is the karma.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Is it true, agre enough that wants a soul or
a being achieves enlightenment, that he dissipates the karma for
his ancestry for multiple lifetimes in the going back and
for multiple lifetimes going forward. I heard that somewhere. I'm

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not sure if that's true or not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
You see, each one dissolves his own karma and works
out his own karma. So if you have a more
advanced being, he will not only dissolve his own karma,
but he would take on the karma of other beings.

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So they say that the yogi's impact is so big
that he not only purifies the karma of his his
personal life, but he purifies the karma of all his relatives,
and all his surroundings, and all his disciples, depending upon
the the the gravity of that yogi. If it's if

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you've cast a small pebble in the day, it will
create its own ripples, little ripples. Cast a huge rock,
it will create huge roy ripples in the ocean. So
so the ripples of good will, the ripples of work
of which the Yogi is doing. He cannot only save himself,
not only do good to himself, but he can purify

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others also.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Now I'm gonna ask you those questions I was gonna
ask you before that I ask for my guests, what
is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
I have no definition of living a fulfilled life, because
for me, personally, a fulfilled life is only in one word.
What is my definition of living a fulfilled life? To

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be one with God? What is that by fulfilling which
I may fulfill all? The answer comes God, is that
by fulfilling which you may fulfill all? What is that
by knowing, which I may know all? Answer God is

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that by knowing which I may know all. What is
that by living which I may live? All? God is
that by living which I may live all. Because He
is the only perfect truth in creation, all of us
are imperfect. We are still evolving. He's the only one

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who is our parent source. An ultimate goal by God,
I mean the ultimate reality you can call it. God
is a mere question of dialect. It's a word. But
when you reach the final reality, the ultimate goal, that
is the ultimate fulfillment, which we are variously called God
ishuar allah ahuramazda, you know shiver ram. So these are words.

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So when you fulfill in that perfect being, then only
you can be satisfied. Imperfection cannot satisfy you. Desires are endless.
Great desire is one who fulfills all desire. Shiv go
k Shababaji shiver God Ishu.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little Gurunath, what advice would you give him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
I've had a experience of mine. Actually, if the first
experience was when I was in my mother's womb, I
was aware when I came out. My first effort which
I made was at my first attempt of trying to stand,

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and it was a tremendous effort. I put my hands
on the sofa and tried to lift my legs. I
still remember that, and it required big effort to do that,
and I had to. I had a talk with Little Gurunad.
But Little Gurunad and myself are very similar in the

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sense that we both live in the presence. I have
not seen any change in little Guruna than in me,
the essential change. That means I'm still the same as
Little Gurunad. And I get along with best with people

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aged one to three. If they're seven or ten. At twelve,
it becomes attention to me. They bug me. The children
is children are the best, purest. But little he lived
in the moment. He lived in the moment, and I
couldn't say I've spoken for him. I've been with him

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and his associated with him even now. It's a very
pure essence, essential part of my Samadhi.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
When a child is born, they're closest to Source, They're
closest to God. Yes, And when you're about to die,
you're closest to God, give or take, depending on how
you die. It seems like both sides. In the middle
is where all the crazy happens, or the maya is happening.

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But when you're young, you're still very very close, and
when you're leaving, you're close. Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
In my case, it would be true because when I
was very young, my mind was very still, and I
could perceive behind my mind the eternal stillness constant. And
as I age, my mind is again becoming still, and
the fog of the mind has cleared ninety five percent

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even my normal days and some others one hundred percent clear,
But even normally it's ninety five percent clear, and I
feel both the still mind. Whenever the mind is still,
you're closer to God, God or consciousness or your soul
or Athma has never gone anywhere, come anyway. It was
the same all the time, the same, all pervading consciousness
of stillness through eternity. And this when the mind still,

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you get that stillness through eternity. You get that stillness
through eternity.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
and now back to the show. In your meditations, in
your moments of silence, have you spoken to God? And
if you have, have you ever asked him one question,
Is there a question you would want to ask him?

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Or I said, tell you how I so God? I
made a poetry on it boem then still, then stillness
itself in silence, I do behold my innermost rising Star.

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I resolved in that mystery un told, so near yet
so afar. So that is the stars, the inner God,
the Jieva, It's near and Yetapha. Because I was so
absorbed in that state, I had no thoughts, no questions
to ask. I was just merged into that state of

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silent awareness. I got merged into it. I didn't ask
any questions. I felt I had already everything, that I
was complete. And then I dissolved my highness the subject
and the object, which is the star, subject which is me.

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We merged together. This was my experience.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
One question I would like to ask you is about
psychedelics and people using psychedelics and plant medicine to open
themselves up to achieve the places where Yogi would do
it through meditation, through techniques, through breath work. What is
your take on people who do not people who do that?

(01:42:12):
Not judging, but what is the process and is it
similar to what a Yogi goes through when you take
ayahuasca or psilocybin or mushrooms or something like that that
opens your mind so rapidly and so intensely, that could
be overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
But these experiences which many people mistake for spiritual experiences,
are not spiritual experiences. They are psychic experiences. They are wonderful,
they are exciting, and some of them could be pointers
to the spiritual path. But all these experiences take place

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in the individual, the psychic and the vaster mind, the
subconscious mind, and they can take you to some super
conscious mind, but they're still in the mind, and they
definitely as far as the mind is concerned, as far
as sabikal Samadi is concerned, they can help certain doorways.

(01:43:12):
But Sabik Samadi, the Samadi of mind and matter, can
be helped and assisted by types of these drugs, provided
provided they are not chemical harmful killing drugs. The cannabis
type would be better drugs. Although you lost you lose

(01:43:33):
temporary memory, but they are harmless by and large, and
I do not encourage them. But if people have it,
I have no opinion as to what they should and
should not do it. The cannabis is not too harmful,
the chemicals damage the brain, and they are not It
is not the final stage of what they think that

(01:43:56):
this is a state of final samadi because our to
the mind. It's all in the mind. After the mind,
where there is no thought, comes the divine consciousness. That's
where the real samadi begins. All these experiences of seeing
the third eye, or blazing or flying, or seeing the tigris,

(01:44:19):
or seeing damsels in heaven, they don't come under the
category of samadi. They come under the category of sama pathi.
Samapathi is a category where the mind rests itself on
a beautiful third eye or on the beautiful of the
damsels of heaven. But Samadi does not rest on any object.

(01:44:41):
It has no alumban or no rest on any object.
Samadi is the merger of the witness into the awareness.
There is no thought, word, deed, object anywhere there You're
just your pure awareness goes. That is the jiva spans
into the integrated consciousness of the universe called Shiva. It

(01:45:09):
is no object to rest. The mind rests itself upon
an object that is called samapathi, which is a samadi
with objects to rest upon, a house, a church, the
form of Krishna, the form of Jesus, you know, having
the Last Supper, the mind is concentrated and merges into

(01:45:32):
the last supper. Photo of Parma Sagan an image of
Srie youth tissure. But when all these forms and images go,
it is called the nirgun niraka samadi without form or attribute.
Then only individual consciousness merges into cosmic consciousness. And there

(01:45:53):
is nothing to support that individual consciousness, so at first
it feels out of place, and then it gradually merges
into that vast individual consciousness beyond mind. So the samadi
beyond mind is samadi. The some mind samadi, which is
in mind and has an object to rest upon is samapati.

(01:46:14):
This is the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
And is that what happened with the Maharishi When there's
a story that went around that the Maharishi was given
mushrooms and he was only supposed to take one, he
took the entire bag and nothing happened. He was like,
I this does nothing to me, because tell me, the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
State which the mushrooms gave was a psychic state, which
of knee jerk euphoria. You know, the knee jerk when
a doctor hits you in the knee. So that's a
knee jerk euphoria. But Marishi was already in a permanent
state of higher samadi, higher Samadi. It could be the

(01:46:57):
higher sus Sabul samadi, or he could have been in
Nivikul Samadi, but both were higher samadi's than the mushrooms.
Let's say mushrooms samadi goes only up to mind. If
Maharushi was beyond mind in Nivikul Samadi without form an attribute,
then he will not be affected by that lesser voltage

(01:47:19):
because he had a He had a sweetener which was
sweeter than the mushrooms. That is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Kurunath, what is your hope for this conversation to do
for people watching?

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I would not pin any desire or hope on to it,
but I would just pray to the Lord God thy
will be done and if it is for their benefit,
which I definitely think it is, they will reach them.
But people, different people have different acumen of understanding a

(01:47:53):
particular subject. Now we have spoken on all depths of
philosophic subjects. Some understand and the simpler, some understand the rosser.
But I feel I've been pretty simple in my explanations
as to what the different types of Samadi Are. It's
a huge It's a rich Zambizi river in which the

(01:48:15):
deepest divers can dive in the shadows for the youngsters
to play too. It's like a river.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
And finally, Gurunas, is there any party messages you would
like to give the audience?

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Be sensitive. My presence is the message I have given
to you in speech, all that they could be given. Now.
I am here before you in silence.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Just be me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
And let the rest take its course. I have available
open you can come anytime. I'm there for you as
the presence.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Gruna. It has been an absolute pleasure and honor having
you in the studio and I appreciate you more than
words can say. And I appreciate everything you're doing in
your mission in this life to awaken this planet and
help souls transition and enlighten.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Thank you, my friend, God bless you all the best,
God speed and Asha Rod.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
I want to thank Gurnath so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
show notes at next levelsoul dot com. Forward Slash six
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