NLS 618: SPIRIT GUIDES SPEAK OUT! HOPEFUL Channeled Message A NEW EARTH Is Being Birthed NOW!" with Jamie Butler

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they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome psychic
medium and channel Jamie Butler. And I have to tell

(01:43):
you this conversation was such a joy. We went almost
two hours. It was such a profound discussion, not only
with Jamie but with the entities that she channels, who
are characters, to say the least. I really really enjoyed
this and I think you guys are going to dig
it too. So let's dive in. I like to welcome

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to the show, Jamie Butler. Are you doing, Jamie?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Hi, wonderful. Thank you so much, Alex.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm
looking forward to talking. You're unique in the space of
spirituality because you're not only a psychic medium, but you're
also channel as well. And that's a rarity. It happens,
but it's a rarity, and the and the entities that
you do channel are fun and uh and profound. But

(02:34):
we'll get into all of that in a little bit.
But my first question is what was your life like
before this insanity of being a psychic medium channel.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know how to answer that. My earliest memories
are with all my loved ones in spirit, but I
didn't think that they were in spirit. They were just
my playmates.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Early on, early on, had you had these abilities, okay,
so there was no way before that way.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I did have a gap, like from age six to eighteen,
where at age six my parents actually my mom was
just like, this has got to stop. I don't know
how to do this with you. You're playing hide and
seeking games with invisible things, like you're talking about things
you don't know, but they're true and they're real. It

(03:29):
was confusing. So in the act of trying to normalize me,
to give me a normal life, which is the words
my parents like to share with me today, they encouraged
me to separate from it. So my abilities turned more
into dream states, so astral travel, things of that nature,
and then when I moved out of the house to college,
it all came back, and by then I was old

(03:50):
enough to understand that this was psycho and I gave
it all kinds of words that were inappropriate and a
big disservice to really what was happening. But I was
terrible and scared, and I was sleeping with bats, vacuum
cleaner extensions, anything long. So when I wake up in
the middle of the night because somebody's touching me or
moving the bed and I could see people people, I

(04:13):
would swing it, and if it went through them, I
knew I was alone. This is not a way to live.
If I would get them, then it would be a
real person and I would know to fight. So for
a portion of my life, I would put my fingers
in my ear and I'd rock myself to sleep, going
you know, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
And the crazy thing is alex Is. It's not that

(04:35):
they were doing anything harmful to me. They were beautiful
words like we love you, You're okay, Like this is
your family, this is going to happen, let's help, let's help.
But it was just out of my wheelhouse. By then,
I was acting within that normal sea realm that my
parents were aiming so hard for me to have that

(04:55):
I couldn't comprehend what was really going on beyond that.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
So it's really interesting about your story is for the
first six years, you are so childlike and so connected
to source at that point, because as you get older,
you disconnect a little bit more and more. That's why
children are so lovely and so fun and everything is
about joy. And then you turn into teenagers as you
can tell them my parent yes. And then there's teenagers

(05:25):
who I heard a comedian the other day said it
was just genius. It's like, I think God created teenagers
as a payback to us so they could and I go,
and he's like, you said, this is why, because I'm
going to give them something that that denies their existence
as well, which teenagers deny the existence of their parents

(05:45):
because they're just like, I don't want to be seen
with you, I don't want to talk to you, I
don't know anything like that. So it's very true in
many many ways, not for everybody, but in many many ways.
But what I find interesting is those first six years
you were just enjoying yourself. Then the programming of your
parents came in and they're like, no, we want to
start to change you. And that programming was so hardwired

(06:08):
in you that even though you had very positive experiences
as a child, at eighteen you were terrified because the
programming was so hard programmed in. Were you religious? Were
were you raised religious or not?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I was raised in the Baptist Church, but I was
quickly uninvited.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
At early age. Were early?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Really?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I have a vivid memory of sitting in the sanctuary
in the preacher going on, and I looked to my
grandma and I said, that's not true, that's not true.
And then I started saying it louder and louder, and
she snatched my hand up, and she was wearing the
little white gloves back. Then she snatched my hand up.
We walked down the aisle and I could see everybody's
face is looking at me, and I was like, that's

(06:54):
not true, that's not true. And that's the last time
I went back to church. They did try to put
me in Sunday School and that didn't It.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Didn't work out well. Didn't work out well, did it?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
So it's so interesting that you were you were brought
into the brought into this incarnation with these abilities, which
is not It happens, but it's not common a lot
of times you have to kind of work your way
up or you discover these abilities. But you were there
from the very beginning. How did you overcome that terrifying fear,
like you said, this is no way to live when

(07:26):
you finally started to embrace or started Did you start
to investigate what this was? Did you start reading books?
How did you get out of that?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well? I did a very immature thing first, and I
tried on a bunch of drugs. Because the drugs would
make the lights go away, they would make the dead
people disappear, and the angels and everything go away. And
so my friends were doing it to connect and find
that world. I was doing it to get the hell
out of it because it was so real. Wow, lost

(07:54):
a lot of friends. I couldn't remember, like at parties,
what to say because I didn't know if I heard
it from a person person or an entity person because
they're so similar. You know, in your memory bank, when
you have these spiritual experiences, they go in the same bank.
They don't get divided. They change your chemical makeup and

(08:16):
they change your personality. So I could remember to sift
through what I knew psychically and what I knew from experience,
and I quickly, you know, was isolated from friends that way,
and even I got kicked out of one college course
because I spoke up after a class because the teachers aunt,

(08:39):
who had passed away, had a lot to say, and
I finally gave up and told the teacher, and the
teacher was like, are you tracking me? Are you going
through my garbage? And I was like, what kid has
time to figure out where their teacher lives a ant
go through their garbage? I have no interest in you,
like and so and like, just after all of that

(09:00):
and feeling very lonely, a friend of mine found a teacher,
Marguerite Romas. I'm in Gainesville, Florida at UF and she
was just this older Italian bird that just taught psychic
awareness and I was like, this is kind of crazy.
I'll just call it that. And we went there and

(09:20):
everything she said just made my body get heavier and heavier.
And I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
she's speaking about me. Oh my god, this is a thing.
Oh my god. Like she's naming it, like I didn't
have names for everything. And then after one of the classes,
she came over to me and she was like, you you.
I want to invite you to my home. I want
you to take personal classes. I was like, okay, and

(09:43):
so it began that way, and she taught me. It
took me about two years to really learn how to
turn the lights off right, you know, to go to
a grocery store and just see fruit and not fruit
and rainbows and colors and spirits and things and voices
and stuff and Donna, you know, plus the music they
play in the grocery store. So you know, it was

(10:04):
a lesson, a hard lesson of how to back down
from something when everybody else around you is going, oh
my god, you can do that. Like they want to
put you on a pedestal. They want to like, like,
I don't know, put you somewhere weird because you're different.
But I truly I don't like that. I don't feel
like I am different than others. I feel like maybe

(10:26):
I'm more awake.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
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Speaker 2 (10:39):
But we're all the same. I have the same body
parts as you, like, I'm just using it. I'm applying
my energy and my focus differently. And I really think
right now, especially this year in twenty twenty five. Boy,
we waken up a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Get We will get into twenty twenty five and be
on in a little bit. But the thing that I
also find fascinating what your story is. And this is
for people who are watching who don't understand what a
medium goes through, sometimes a psychic medium. And then we
haven't gotten to the channeling part yet. We'll get to
that in a minute, which I'm sure was a journey
in its own right. But it's the processing, mental processing

(11:17):
of what is happening to you, because, like you said,
you're ingesting all of this information and our mind, generally speaking,
is set up for this reality. It's not really set
up to take on multiple realities or thinning of the
veil or seeing other like you know, it's not just
you're seeing spirit. You're also seeing auras, you're seeing lights,

(11:39):
You're seeing all these other things. It's just a lot
for the brain to literally process, and it takes training
to really shut that down. I call it putting the
close sign on you instead of an open sign or
a close sign on the business exactly, so you can
walk into a supermarket or take a shower without oh yeah,

(12:02):
uncle Bob showing up and going, hey, uh, listen, I
know you're going to talk to my my niece. Uh
in the day, I have the lot of stuff to
talk about. And you're like, dude, I'm showering. Has that happened?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yes, I can't. You were the first person that I
have come across has just pinpointed that, so well, yes
that happens, and you're like naked here showering, and usually
comment I get back is oh, we don't care what
you look like, like they care less if your.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Clothes, but I do back off. So then get like,
for like, if that was taking a shower and all
of a sudden spirit shows up and it's my aunt,
or if it's God forbid, someone I don't know, let
alone it's my own family, it'd be one thing. And
even then I'm like, dude, can you give me a minute.

(12:53):
But if it's a stranger, he's like, hey, I saw
your light was on. I you know, the door is
and so it's it almost is like Ghost again. I
always bring up Ghost because the movie Ghost with Whoopi Goldberg,
all of a sudden, the second she Sam came in,
all the rest of them heard about it, and there

(13:13):
was like you know, in the room, is there, Bob,
Bob here? Bob okay, Bob's here. And it was kind
of liked that because she didn't know either how to
shut it down. She was just overwhelmed constantly with He's like,
they're coming out from the woodwork, They're coming out everywhere.
I can't even take a shower or something like that.
So it was something like that. So you actually were

(13:34):
training or your mentor trained you on how to put
the close sign on and be able to function in
this reality. Essentially.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, it's learning how to turn it down like the
dial on a radio without turning the radio off, because
I wasn't interested in turning everything off. And I do
have people who come to me. My son was one
of them. At the age of eleven. He looked at
me and he was like, my, I can't do this anymore.
Like I like to be Luca, I like to be me.

(14:02):
I picked me again, but I can't do this. It's
too painful. And I was like, what he goes being
here and being there like with them, I mean, he
had the same abilities. He knocked my socks off, like,
oh yeah, he's amazing. He's twenty now he's coming into it.

(14:24):
Slightly again. But for him it had to go away
so he could live. That's how urgent it was for him.
So in my case, it was just turn it down
enough to where when I want to use it again,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right, And it's tough enough being a teenager, let alone
dealing with psychic abilities. It seemed that people walking around
while your hormones are kicking, you know, it's it's a
hell of a journey, to say the least. All right,
So then once you decided that, Okay, I'm good with this,
I'm happy, I've learned how to deal with this.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Remind me when I said I'm good with this.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, well, point, at one point or another, you're like
taking classes. You've shut it down a little bit, you
turn you turned the clothes sign on. You've accepted the
journey that you're on and the mission that you have
in this time. And I've kind of accepted that. But
now there's the private version of this story timeline, and
then there's the public version of this timeline. When did

(15:24):
you decide to come out of the the the spiritual, well,
not the spiritual, the psychic closet and waved the freak
flag as we'd like to say, uh for everyone to see.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, that took a long time, my friend.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, that's why I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Because college taught me to be quiet, to not lose friends,
you know. So through my twenties I would test the waters.
Every now and then I would go lecture to small groups.
I would even lecture in colleges. And in my late twenties,

(16:01):
I decided there are other people out there like me,
and they are struggling, and I enjoy talking about this.
So I'm going to find my comfort level in opening
my doors to those people. And I started just teaching
really small classes out of my house and that slowly,
over six years, turned into six thousand square feet of

(16:24):
a center in the center of Atlanta, Georgia. We had
a network of shows that we started launching in twenty sixteen,
and it just like later on, you know, it started
to grow really really big. COVID kind of put me
in a completely different route.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
But fine, when you say shows, When you say shows,
what do you mean by shows like actual like show shows.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah. I launched a network called the lighter Side Network.
We were only up and running for three years until
COVID closes down. I got asked to leave the space
that I was residing in, and so I had to
pack up everything and just maneuver. And you know, five
years later, this is how I maneuvered a little bit

(17:07):
more online and more global. But I don't have the
network anymore, which is a little sad, but it's all good.
But yeah, it was finding other people, enjoying and getting
peace out of having the conversation or getting support from
someone else who's not going to look at them immediately

(17:28):
and go, yeah, you're crazy, Yeah you need to be
on meds. Yeah you are, you know, chemically and mentally
in balanced. Because there was a fine line. And I
wish if my older self now could look back to
the one in college. I wish that one could go, hey, hey, Jamie,
maybe don't major in theater, Maybe go to psychology, maybe

(17:51):
do something in that area, because I didn't have the
muscles to really talk about or the experiences of that
fine line between mental and balance, spiritual awakening. They feel
and they look often very similar, very very different. So
I learned that through the years and help people, and
then it's just they started to show up and come

(18:13):
and then you make that decision, that pivotal point where
you go Okay, I'm acknowledging this. If you want me
to do this, I agree to it. Support me and
I'm all in, and you just go.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Then you go. So when you when you finally decided
to open up shop and started to publicly say hey,
this is who I am, what did your family say?
What did your friends say? How did you? How did
they deal with all of this?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
So I have a brother, and I have a few
step brothers, but my brother is the closest to me,
and he just got it and he was like, you
do you? He goes, that scares me what you can do?
But I'm okay with it. And when I start talking
to the family, that's where it comes out. Oh, on
my dad's side, your great grandmother was actually a tour

(19:00):
reader and during the World War two, and she would
help all the wives who were left behind understand what
was happening over in the war by doing readings and
talking to spirit. Your grandmother could do it, your aunt
could do it. But none of us wanted to tell
you because we wanted to save you so that you
could have a normal life. And my nana told me, Jamie,

(19:21):
it was just so taboo. We just didn't want to
hurt you.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
My God, help you.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, it hurt me more by you isolating me and
telling me what I was doing was my imagination and
to ignore it and to stop listening to me. You
stopped listening to me. It was horrible. There's a lot
of emotionally horrible.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
There's a lot of ancestral trauma when it comes to
psychic mediums and channels and spiritual people, mystics, even teachers
who I've noticed that that generationally it like it follows
in the bloodline, like you know, it skips a generation
sometimes or it's in the bloodline. There's an aunt like
I've had. We'll be right back after a word from

(20:03):
our sponsor and now back to the show. And my
grandmother had it, you know, and but it was never
but I can't talk about it, yeah, behind closed doors.
Like my favorite is my grandfather, my grandmother. I didn't

(20:24):
know this until my mom told me like decades after
my grandma died, because my grandma shows up all the
time in readings and medium and like when I'm doing it,
and I'm sure, well you've turned it off now, but
I'm sure she's hanging around somewhere right now. She's like
I got something to tell Alex. But but she when
she was alive, she was she knew what she had

(20:45):
and her sister had it as well. But my grandfather
was very three dimensional, very just an old school you know,
Machi's the Cuban guy from Cuba. It was like a
whole thing. But every time he was going to do
a business dealing, he would ask my grandma, hey should
I do business with this person? Hey? What do you feel?

(21:06):
And she would give him guidance and no one would
ever know about it, but he knew because he had
proof that it worked before, so that's how it would work.
But I never even heard about it until she died.
She never spoke to me about it or anything. It's amazing,
but it's but the trauma because of all of the
stigma attached to where you know they're witches or you

(21:28):
know you're the devil or all of this kind of stuff,
and you're burned at the steak, you're hung, you're crucified,
all these things. Generationally, that's happened to people that have
had these abilities. These generations were they were truly trying
to protect you. But now I think we're awake enough
that like your generation is not doing that to your child,
your child, you know ish ish.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
When when my husband and I decided we wanted to
start a family, we literally pinky promised and I was like,
we got to sit here, We got to be really clear.
Our kids are going to have this, let them have
it on their own, but I will not teach them
to have it. Is that okay? He was like, okay,
I'll go so I will not teach, but I will
let them develop. And my son's first word was light.

(22:15):
You're like sitting there going mom, mom, my, mom, and
he goes light or like, where's that coming from. He
used to walk around with a flashlight and put it
on people's bodies where they needed to be healed, and
he'd count and he'd take it off, and you look
at them and you go, okay, now you play with me.
And I would ask my person what happened to you?
They're like, oh, I injured myself playing tennis or I

(22:37):
did that, Like what's happening? I was like, I don't know.
I just wouldn't talk about it. And so as they
got older, I started to give them language around what
they were doing, rather than me bringing in something new
and going, oh, you can also look at I wouldn't
teach them, and then when they got into the teenage level,
I literally had to sit down and I said, Okay,

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do you know what your mom does for a living,
how she chooses to dedicate her time. They're like, you
help people. I was like, let's talk about it, you know.
And then because I didn't keep crystals at the house,
chakra charts, chimes, tuning forks, nothing, I kept it all
out of the house growing up. So it was almost unfortunately,

(23:20):
I think it was through my wound of like needing
to know or needing a validation that I had this
so strong as a kid, like why couldn't other people
acknowledge that? And watching my kids grow up, I used
to call my parents and go, dude, how could you
not know what I was doing? Like I'm watching my
son and my daughter do this is very clear, and

(23:41):
they're like, we just we're not like you. We don't
have that information. So we thought imagination. So I did
keep it down from them a bit, but they brought
so much forward as a kid, and I just kept
where they were.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's interesting because people don't really talk about this aspect of,
you know, the psychic medium Ni because you know, if
you have kids, like, how do you deal with this?
How are you going to do it? Like what's are
you going to go full all in and start training
them like as hogwarts or you know, or you're gonna
do it what you did, Like I'm just gonna let
them take the lead if you.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Make some jedis out there.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Exactly exactly exactly. It's it's really interesting perspective. That's why
I like talking to psychic mediums and kind of grounding
it all because everyone gets so caught up in the
the mystical aspect of it that they forget that there's
a human being who's doing this and has a journey

(24:37):
of their own and has a family and has to
deal with paying taxes and has to deal with all
of this stuff that we all do as well. But
they also have the not the burden, but the weight
of this thing on them that some carry lovely like
you do at this point. I hope that you're at
this point. You're carrying it very lightly now and it's
just part of who you are. But there's others who

(24:59):
struck with it like you did at the beginning. So
it's a way to humanize what you guys are doing,
and the beautiful magic that you're bringing into the world,
and the beautiful messages you're bringing into the world, and
healing that you're bringing into the world.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I am so digging the buckets of compassion that you're
throwing towards people that are coming through waking up, because
it is it's definitely, it's definitely real.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
If I may, and I'm sorry, audience, I always bring
this movie up if you could. If I look at
the Matrix when when someone is being pulled out of
the matrix get they wake up and they're in that
big little bubble of that and they got tubes in them,
and it's a very difficult scenario waking up and then
you're pulled into the ship and you're like, you have

(25:45):
to wait a few days to kind of rebuild your minds.
It's such a journey. If you would have just stayed
in the matrix, life is good. You're ignorant exactly, But
once you had to awaken, it's such a struggle to
get out of what the truth is. And that's truly
the spiritual journey is it is a struggle to awaken

(26:07):
in this three dimensional space. Because this three dimensional space
is not built for awaken people yet as much as
it is, it's getting there.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
What do you think, Oh, I'm just sitting here realizing
you do. You have connected that right that Connie encouraged
all of this because you're the pivotal point for so
many people to come out of ignorance.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
She told me, I have the mission of speaking to
the masses, and that's the mission I'm doing right now,
is speaking to the masses about this stuff. Yeah, so yeah,
I know about that. And apparently after the show has
done it's what it's been doing. There has been a
lot of people who have not only awakened, but started
to investigate their own journeys. And we're a launching point

(26:54):
where then they go off and go to a teacher
or start reading books or taking courses or understand what
you would have liked to have at eighteen or nineteen
or twenty instead of having to go to, you know,
a lecture somewhere and this woman coming of hey, come
to my house. That could have ended very badly, Jamie.

(27:16):
I'm just throwing that out there. That could have ended
very very badly. I've seen way too much dateline in
my day, so you know, but yes, I think Connie
had that. Well, she knew that. She told me, she
knew that when she met me at twenty three. And
for everyone listening, Connie is my spiritual guide. She's been

(27:38):
guiding me, a living spiritual guide. I have to preface that.
And she's been on the show a bus six times already,
and she is very spicy, to say the least. She's
a very spicy spicy. Oh yeah, she calls it out,
you know, as she's at an age she just doesn't
care anymore, which is like, and that's the best age,
like you just like I'll say whatever I want to say.

(28:00):
I'm ninety, what the hell? So she's wonderful in that way.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah. All right, So now you've gotten a grasp of
the psychic medium aspect of it. And to my understanding,
you can be psychic without being a medium, but you
can't be a medium without being psychic.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Really, yes, that's how I see it too. In terminologies, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, exactly. But then we throw in this other little
mixture ingredient into the mix, which is channeling. So how
did you discover your channeling ability and how did you
deal with that psychologically when it came in? Because it's
a very different set of skills channeling versus being a
psychic medium. It's adjacent, but very different on the nervous system,

(28:45):
on everything. So can you explain that what happened?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I was at that woman's house.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It could have ended badly.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
That could have ended badly, and it was an ability
that she could do. And she channeled this spirit several spirits,
but one spirit named Maitland, and she had a metal
hip a plate and her hip so she couldn't sit
criss cross apple sauce with her legs. The hip joint
doesn't move that way. There's a metal plate like stopping it.

(29:17):
And Maitland came into her body and plopped her sixty
something year old body down on the ground and folded
up those legs and started chatting away and singing and
doing all this wild stuff. And I'm watching. I'm like,
this is crazy. And when we told her what happened,
she goes, that's impossible. She went and got the X
ray from the surgery. She was like, look, and she

(29:37):
would show us how she would try to move her
leg in that direction and it would just stop. She's
like no. So we started filming it and it was
intriguing to watch spirit maneuver our person's body past the
node or knowing limitations, known limitations, and I was interested

(29:58):
in that. And then one day she looked and she goes, tonight,
we had she had twenty people gathered. She goes, tonight,
Jamie is going to channel and I looked at her
and I went, oh, no, she's not like you. Gro Yes,
we haven't talked about this. I didn't tell ever ever
hint that this is what I wanted to do. She's like, yeah,

(30:18):
but you can I see it in you and this
is going to help like a lot of people. And
I said, well, I'm respectfully declined, not interested.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I'm twenty twenty twenty one, I don't know young,
and I'm in a room full of forty fifty sixty
year olds who've had their midlife crisis. And that's kind
of why they were gathering, because they found this spiritual
world beyond that midlife break. They're out of the routine.
They're waking up, and I'm just beginning to learn how

(31:00):
to be in a routine. And I'm in college and
I'm like, I'm not going to do this, and she goes,
that's okay, sit down, follow my finger, and she started
a hypnosis dialogue and I was like, fine, woman, I'll
entertain you. I'll follow through. It's not going to happen.
I wake up. I look around the room. Everybody's staring
at me, and I'm like, see, didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
But they filmed it.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, it was like two hours long. And I gave
a message, not me, spirit, gave a message to everybody
individually in the room. And she was like, that was
exactly what I could see you do. And it scared
me to think that I wasn't consciously aware. There's different
levels of channeling. You do it in an interview. I
bet you all of a sudden start saying words and

(31:51):
in the back of your head you're like, damn, that's good.
I like where this is going. I'm learning from myself
in real time, speaking out loud. That's a form of
channeling because it's not running through your analytical logical mind
that can pick and choose. It's not through your filter.
Then you have like automatic writing, and then you have

(32:12):
you know where you're hearing voices and speaking, so you
know you're doing it, but it's like an auctioneer. It's
just really quick. Then you have it where you can
completely be disconnected, like full incorporation, and the spirit comes in.
So this is like Edgar Casey, Abraham, Abraham Hicks, what's.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Her name, Abraham Hicks, Esther, Esther.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Thank you Esther. There's several other people out there that
work this way. And I didn't get to rev up
per se to get to that point of checking out.
So I wrestled a lot with the absence of knowing
what occurred and how is my body being taken care of?

(32:55):
Where's my autonomy? What does it mean if I surrender
something like that and then coming back to and listening
to everybody's experience, you know, you fall into the imposter
syndrome like how that Like I didn't do that, Like
that's not me. How I don't know how to look
at people in the eyes after channeling. You know, it
took me a long time to develop the skill for

(33:17):
afterwards going all right, does anybody want to talk about
the material or just reminding people? I don't remember it,
so don't come to me thinking I'm going to pick
back up where we just were. Because I got to
learn from you first. I think it's in my body.
I really think the information is stored somewhere, but consciously
it's just stretched out. And I wonder if it's done
as a a mechanism of safety. You know, we're just

(33:42):
going to black her out, so she shouldn't interfere because she
agreed to it. So we're good. Is it that? Or
is it that I've really reached a place where I'm like,
I'm in the feeling of protection, safety, love, respect, and
I'm like, take it away, guys, I'm just gonna step out.
So at this point in my career, which is like

(34:02):
thirty odd years of doing this, it's it's a healthy
level of both. But it was not smooth sailing at
the beginning. It was not fun. I thought it was crazy,
sleepless nights, nervousness.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
So this is just from this is just from channeling.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Just from channeling, that's all.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
So that's fascinating. You You've been seeing dead people walking
around forever. You have psychic abilities, you could tell people
what's going on, and yet the channeling just took you
over the top. You're like, I think I'm going crazy.
How could you think you're going crazy. You see dead people,
but it's wrong with you, Alex.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
They're getting into your body. That's your private zone.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I know it's just but I just find it's so
fascinating that you that you couldn't make the leap, that
this is also happening from where you've been already. It's
just found it. I found it super fascinating that that
still freaked you out. And it didn't freak you out,
it also freaked you out.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
A lot, a lot, a lot. And then I had
this one moment where I went into a channeling session
and I crossed over. We're going to use the term crossover,
like there's a here and a there, and time is
linear just for shits and giggles, for an easy conversation.
So I crossed over and I had an experience in

(35:22):
the afterworld, beyond heaven, however you want to describe that,
And it was I was a hookline and sinker. I
was ready to go, don't take me back. I mean
I was ready to leave the house, the husband, the everything,
the animals. I was good, that was fine, everything was
going to be okay. And I knew it and I
was good, and they were like, oh, I'm sorry, your

(35:44):
ticket has expired and you need to return to your body.
And I was like, oh, that's not happening. And I
behaved so unruly. I'm talking if I could bite someone,
I would have bitten someone, like I screamed. I tried
to throw my energy out, like trying to put a
cat and a cat carrier.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It was like wow.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I remember looking at the back of my head,
my hair and going no, no, no, no, no, no,
all like screaming as they slap you back in. And
I looked at the person sitting in front of me,
who was absorbing the information from the channeling they just received,
and I looked at them in a panic, and I said,
I can't be here anymore. And I did a little

(36:23):
psychotic break, you know. I started like undoing things and
taking stuff off and removing books from shelves. I was like,
I don't need any of this anymore. These are this
is clutter, these are things. I don't need materials anymore.
Need like I had gone so far and seen so much,
and I carried it back with me. I couldn't assimilate
the information, and it just it took me so long
to do it. And I was like, I don't know

(36:45):
if I'm going to channel again. I certainly am channeling,
but I will say, Alex, since that day, I have
not really been invited to have an experience like that again,
and I'm wondering it is my behavior.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I was about to say, I wouldn't advise you back either, Jamie.
After that, you know, you're throwing basically a tantrum. On
the other side, it's you. You are a very fascinating
soul in this in this journey. I find you very
interesting because you seem to be fighting this every step

(37:18):
of the way.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Why But it's fascinating because you like if look, if
this would have happened to me, my personal just you know, dude,
brain would be like, all right, I see dead.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
People, fine, Oh I channel now, cool, that's my own energy.
Like like I'm like, all right, cool whatever. I wouldn't
be so, but that's just me and my journey personally.
Maybe I don't have the trauma that you had, you know,
your ancestral trauma that you had to deal with and
all the other stuff that you had to deal with,
So I would have been like, yeah, cool, channeling, all right, great,
Oh I can float now fine, Like oh, I'm astrol

(37:52):
traveling cool. I could have a near death experience at
him and just come back awesome. So it seemed like
you were channeling, and you're the first channel I've ever
heard that has an experience while they're channeling, and it
was a one time deal with you, but it was
still an experience. It almost sounded like in your death experience. Yeah,

(38:12):
it's like you went out somewhere else, because normally when
channels are channeling, they either they say it's kind of
like putting yourself in the backseat of a car and
you're aware of what's happening sometimes, but it's almost dream
like in the way you can't remember what I said.
Some of them don't remember anything. Some of them like,
I kind of remember it like it was a dream,

(38:34):
but then the minutes that go by, the less I
can remember it kind of thing. But you went like, hey,
I'm just gonna take off, and you were gone. Experience
is amazing place. And then they said you got to
go back, and you're like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,
I'm not going back, and they threw you back. But
the psychotic break is interesting because you came back and

(38:58):
you couldn't process had happened. Again, with all the experience
you have, I know you'll couldn't process it, and you broke.
It's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
It's like I have some passion and love for being human,
and I think one of my if you want to
call it a skill or a destiny or a talent,
I don't put whatever words you want on it. My
excitement about being here this way is that I really
love being human. I really love earth, I love nature,
I love food. I love food. I love these experiences.

(39:33):
I like looking at the sky, I like smelling the
sweet air after the rain, like I love it. And
I also have half of my being in this completely
different dimensional realm. And so when I go to do
my work, I passionately love waking people up to their
own abilities, their own way, not like some rote factory way,

(39:54):
like this was a process step one, two, three, four,
and you have a result, because that's not how this is.
We're all so different, and I love it so much,
and I think I linger so hard on being human
so that I can speak to it from that angle.

Speaker 1 (40:08):

Speaker 2 (40:18):
So I guess gently instead of because most people will
come to me and they want to wake up. They
want to leave all that behind, being human, all the
human stuff. I don't want to have responsibility. I don't
want to have to deal with money. I don't want
to have to deal with And they poo poo it
like when they talk about their chakra system and their

(40:38):
energy and they want spiritual awakening. They're trying to dive
only into the third eye, into the crown, the above energies.
That's where I need to be. And I'm like, oh,
you are sorely missing the point. You need to get down.
You need to get into things. You need to get
into the earth chakra, the root, the sacral, the solar,
and through that balance of both of them, that's when

(40:59):
you fly. So part of me thinks that big dichotomy
of the struggle that I present in my growth is
to help me develop language and experiences to get other
people to feel safe and you know, safe enough to
unfurl their energy to have their experience.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So you went through all of this because you had to,
and it's part of your skill set to be able
to do the work you're doing.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yes, So for me, I use it for that.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, So like for me, it would be like I
had to go through thirty years of the film industry
being a filmmaker to now get to this place where
now I'm creating conscious media, conscious content for our streaming
platform and starting to do it. So I'm like, oh, okay,
that's why I went through all of that because I
needed to do that as well, among many other things

(41:49):
that happened to me that I look back and like,
why did that happen? Like, Oh, if I didn't have that,
if that horrible thing wouldn't have happened, I probably wouldn't
be doing this work and something along those lines. So
it's it's still fascinating this see how you struggled and
fought every inch, every inch of the way through this process.
You did mention you mentioned the awakening and this year

(42:10):
being twenty twenty five, is people are awakening more and more.
Can you talk about from your point of view, what's
happening to humanity? Arguably, I'd say it started in twenty twelve,
but really kicked up into high gear twenty twenty. Basically
January twenty twenty, it was like a rock. It's been
it's been a hell of a roller coaster so far,

(42:31):
So what is happening to humanity? What is going to
happen in this year if you think, and then what's
the hopeful endgame for all of this Because it's a
rough ride right now for a lot of people. Not
for everybody, but for a lot.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Of people, that's a rough ride. Change isn't always easy.
As my guy Grace tells me quite frequently, if you
want to remain constant, always change change is the only constant.
And that's been quoted out there many many times, but
she likes to repeat it to me several times. Twenty

(43:07):
twenty five I've noticed, well, I agree that twenty twelve
is when it started to shift. Twenty sixteen was like
there's panic of speed and it was like whoa start
giving birth to things now, twenty sixteen give, give, give,
like create the place for where the next hit the

(43:28):
twenty twenty could land. And then it's just been growing.
But this year is the flip, it's the switch. And
there's all kinds of talks and theories of you know,
seventy thousand year cycles and how we're getting close to
the end or we're right actually in the middle of
another cycle of energy coming through just for Earth and
herself and the history of her, but for me, I've

(43:50):
watched through and I give thanks. This might sound weird
to quarantine. I am so grateful for quarantine home. Oh
my god. I have never well maybe because I'm only
looking at this lifetime, but watch so many mental bodies
of different people come together and wake up and go,

(44:12):
oh wait, I was asleep and I'm slightly awake now
and I don't like that, and I'm going to do
something that generates happiness for me. Oh my god. In
that mass consciousness level, it got to a certain peak
where the theory of the hundredth monkey, and then when
so many monkeys do one thing in an island, the
next island goes, oh, we have that idea too, and

(44:32):
now we do it. But there was no education, teaching,
or interaction between the two, and so all of this
energy got into the subtle light energetic field. And now
everybody has access to it, and that is plugged in now.
So that's been plugged in for several years, and now
we're flipping into the Oh my gosh, we are plugged in.
We actually have a power source. First it was like,

(44:55):
let's just get used to get connecting and we're all
learning and knowing and adjusting. Now it's oh my god,
I have a power to shift, to change. And we're
watching governments. We're watching not to get into all the
politics or war topics and things of that nature, but

(45:15):
we're watching certain things come to the surface where it's
relying on mass voices to speak up. And in this rumbling,
the energy is kind of kind of raining up from
the earth and falling down in a more self organized
way where people are finding more of their energy. So

(45:38):
people will wake up and just go, Okay, I've lived
here all my life and it's not for me anymore.
I got to go. And they'll just change, they'll leave
their jobs, they'll pack up things, they'll situate good to
other countries. Like all the energy is shifting on Earth,
and we're going to start watching the tectonic plates are
shifting again. Like it is all moving and shaking. But
to the ultimate end of it. When we look at

(46:01):
our awareness of this life, the choices that we make,
every choice spawns a parallel life. And so just nod
with me or like go in heavy with me, and
then that parallel existence goes from what I understand, from
what I've witnessed it goes as far as it can
until the energy can't feed itself anymore and it dissipates.

(46:23):
So these are like these feeder lines, and then we
have time not linear. So our language of duality is
collapsing and our language is built on it. And unfortunately,
we have more words in the English language for separation
and war and disconnect than we do for love and
unity and harmony. So we are trying to figure out

(46:45):
this dichotomy of good bad, yes, no black white, And
as spiritual energy as it's reorganizing self organizing is coming
away from the extremes, and it's going to come right
down the middle. And so the absolute words that we
have or vocabulary always never, all the labels we like
to use, he's lazy, happy, good, bad, these aren't going

(47:08):
to hold a frequency that we can all understand because
the definitions are going to get spread out because the duality,
the labeling, the exact, like the drive for judgment and
analytical and things of that nature are lifting. And so
we're kind of coming down the middle line. So when
we understand the middle line, and that time is not linear,

(47:30):
so we're not measuring this way all of our other
incarnations that we've chose to do within our energetic existence. However,
you want to look at that as God source. All
that is, if you have a specific religion or a
spiritual approach that you go for solid, keep a hold
of it. If it's supporting you, I cheer you on,
but I ask that you check in with yourselves, because

(47:52):
if it's not supporting you anymore, I hope that you
find the bravery and the courage to really sit down
with it and ask why, because that's how the growth
is going to happen. So as we come into this
time is not linear. We have access now Alex to
all of our incarnations, to all of their knowledge and
their experience and what's going on with them, whether that
is in a similar incarnation, similar time on Earth, or

(48:15):
if it's what we call the past, or it's what
we call the future, or if it's what we call
multidimensional incarnation, which is not even an earthly terrain incarnation,
it's elsewhere. And when I talk about incarnations on Earth,
I also want to include the trees. I want to
include insects, I want to include animals. All of anything
on Earth has sentience and consciousness in it, but the

(48:37):
way that we define things as humans, we don't see
it yet, not completely. Some people really do. Some people do,
but not all of us yet. And so twenty twenty
five is giving us that flip to where we're discovering
a new language. Our vocabulary is shifting, how we're leading ourselves,
maybe not by head but by emotion. By a different

(49:00):
field of energy is coming in and that's going to
allow us to there's all kinds of words for this.
I don't have a particular favorite one, but you hear
some people say, go from three D to five D, ascend, lift,
change dimensions. It's whatever it is. We're in a moment
of evolution, and this is a very thick year for

(49:23):
you to really see, taste and sense it, and not
one hundred percent people across the border are going to
be going through it. That's an interesting thing too, is
that there's choice in it. Whether you believe it's a
free will choice, or you believe it's contracted by you
before you came into an incarnation, whatever it is, not

(49:43):
everybody is taking this path or a path that is
similar to this.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I'd like that you went down to the deep end
and we swam a little bit the idea of the
parallel realities that we are creating. What I understood, it's
similar to you, yours is a little bit different. And
I like what you said that it dissipates after the
energy doesn't can't feed it anymore. We'll be right back

(50:10):
after a word from our sponsor, and now back to
the show. From my understanding that every choice, not every
mundane choice, but every major choice spits off something, so
like did Jamie move to New York and get that job?
Or did she stay in her hometown? Did she marry

(50:31):
Bob or did she marry Jay? You know, like and like, well,
let's see what And you always wonder, like what would
have happened if I would have married my high school sweetheart?
Like what would have happened? Who is that Alex? Who
is that Jamie? I wonder what would happen? Well, I
guess spirit also wants to know what happens. And there
is a version of us out there doing those things.

(50:54):
There's a version where you had no problems with all
your gifts and you flouted thirty easily because in that
world you needed to do something. And there's other ones
that you blocked it out completely. And you are still
in pain and angry and why is my life not
the way it is because you didn't open yourself up
and vice versa for all the So I think we

(51:15):
every incarnation gets to experience multiple realities so you can
get the most out of this incarnation. It makes It
makes logical sense to me, because if you're only coming
in ones like Jamie, there's not gonna be another Jamie,
There's not gonna be another Alex like no matter where.
Generally speaking, that's the incarnation we have at this time.
But could there be many versions of us at the

(51:37):
same time? Yes, yes, you know, but I don't see
us being born again in Roman times or for future
Roman times or futuristic you know, star Trek world. Not
this exact person with this exact set of you know,
everything that's inside of them. It's fascinating, it's fascinating. So
let's talk about your channeling. So who who do you

(51:58):
think could come in today to answer a few questions
or if they have something to.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Say, who would you like to speak to The floor
is open over here.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Okay, so but not everybody like like, hey, can you
bring Jesus in? No, nothing like that. But who is
who oh can you? I don't know know you tell me?
How do you channel? Who do you channel? What's the process?
She's taking her rings off, She's she's getting ready in
fight mode. Guys, hold my beer, go ahead, build my hoops.

(52:32):
Oh girl, I'll just know it's going down.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I'm getting that excess frequency off of me. So it
makes it a lot easier to get spirit to get in.
That's why I'm hosting the white today. Got it normally
not found in it as this kind of to me
is the channeling acquire all natural materials absence of color.
But yeah, when I first started, I had really worked

(53:00):
with Maitland a lot, and then Maitland started to invite
other entities, and so we have. I have worked with
so many different frequencies. It's been wonderful for many years.
About eleven every month I would host a channeling and
we'd pack the room. Maitland would start off. Then we'd
have a guest speaker. We would never know who it is,

(53:21):
and it would be the most interesting of entities, just
from different everywhere, and then Grace would come in and
end it up and really talk about the structure of
things and answer questions.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
So so and the guest speaker is like a teacher
like this and like they're doing a talk if you
will about it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah, yeah, they would give a lesson and like field
questions about that material and then go into a Q
and A. I know I don't have my center right now.
I do hope to be building it in the near future,
so fingers crossed on that. I'll bring all that back
to life.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Before we start, I wanted to kind of clarify something
because there's a lot of people who watch this who
are terrified of the others of this situation, just like
you were, but not because of what's happening, but what
could happen, meaning like, how do you know who you're channeling?
The best question I always get all the time, how
do you know it's not a demon? How you know
it's not a negative energy? And how do you know

(54:17):
it's not that? And I always answer, I'm like, just
listen to the words coming out of the person's mouth.
Is it about love and unity and trying to teach?
If that's a demon, horrible horrible at their job, horrible
at their job. So that's how I always present it.
But in all honesty, there are to my understanding there
are negative energies out there. There are darker, darker energies

(54:41):
and darker spirits out there. But how do you discern
who's coming in? Like, who's your bouncer at the door,
who's allowing people in in and out?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I actually call him a gatekeeper. I didn't have terminology
for these things, and I consider it somebody who's like
a bouncer. So when I teach trans channeling skills, and
in that I get comfortable with meditation. If you're comfortable
with meditation, you got a great beginning. That's being comfortable

(55:15):
with your own thoughts. Now, if you're someone who's really
mental and take the edge of the Debbie downer, always
risk assessment survival mode, this is probably not your field.
You really need to make peace with that thing before
you can get calm enough to get into believing. What
you are saying is creating a reality, because that is

(55:36):
an ultimate truth. What you believe in is your truth,
and that's what will be shaped. So if you believe that,
you can create a wall, But then you have a
back thought that goes, yeah, but it looks like Swiss cheese,
and this can come through, and that can come through.
I mean everything is perfect, and that's exactly what you're
building for yourself. A wall with holes in it. What

(55:56):
are you going to do? So I really work with
people to focus on what your words are, build a
bond with it. Then once you have that together what
you call it prayer, intent, affirmation mantra, then we start
working with spirit. Who is going to be your spirit
to help you manage who's coming in and out. For me,
it's my grandfather on my mother's side. His name is Leroy,

(56:18):
and so Leroy stands with me and helps in and out.
And of course my guides, Maitland and Grace that I
work with a lot, are also very present, so I
know whoever gets through them like a bouncer can, is
welcome into my body. And they know the rules of
my body. So just like you would have rules at
your restaurant, you know, no throwing food. Know this because

(56:40):
I have come back from channeling. And Maitland, who again
presents herself as a younger entity, very playful, very creative,
a little mischievous, but in a positive like helping way.
She I used to sketch people's ores when they would
come to me. So I have these chalks out and
she took chalk and she put makeup on me, like

(57:01):
rosy cheeks and blue things and stuff. Convinced who I
was with to not tell me that she had done it.
How would I know? So I come back, we say bye,
we leave. My mom comes over for a visit and
she goes, oh, you trying something new, And I said, no,
I'm not doing anything new these days. She's what about

(57:22):
the makeup? I was like what. I went to the bathroom,
looked at the mirror, blue, red, this. I was like,
what the We're creating some ground rules people, you cannot
put makeup on me. She had braided my hair so thin.
I used to have really long hair. I had to
cut it out because I couldn't then do the braid. So,
I mean, these aren't life changing, awful things, but it's

(57:43):
her exploring the body and wanting to participate with it.
So you set rules, no eating, no this, no that.
Most of the entities obviously respect that right away, but
you know there's some that are just so close with
you they embody you.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
It's wild, fascinating, fascinating. Okay, so bring in whoever, how
how I'll leave it up to you. You started it,
You started up and well, and I have questions, and
if they want to do a little lesson, I'm all
about that, and we can go from there.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Oh my god, Alex, I was going to leave it
up to you. Oh, I mean, whre's choice? Alex?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Well, I mean so I don't I don't know the
I don't know the deck. So how who's who can
come in?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I let's choose between Grace and Maitland.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Okay. So, and what's Grace's energy?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Oh? Sweet kind, very knowledgeable, explains a lot of big
things very gently. She's more of an entity that helps
people incarnate on Earth, so she talks a lot in
those terms and about psychic abilities, whereas Maitland is more
of a loose cannon and full of energy.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
She is definitely that. And and how will we know
if I can I bring in Let's say we bring
in Maitland first, and then we want to bring in Grace.
How does that? Let's do that. Let's do that and
she will kind of understand, like she'll know when to Okay, Grace.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Wants to just talk to her about it.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah, okay, fantastic. And what's your process? By the way,
what's your process? So people understand how you are channeling now,
like how you get into the into the zone.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
After thirty years of practicing this. For me, it feels
like I go to sleep, so you're gonna watch me
take a few deep breaths. I usually nod my head
as an agreement that I'm ready to let go. And
it's a really deep surrender feeling, like if you've ever
been really tired and in bed and you roll over
to your favorite position and you go, wow, I'm about

(59:43):
to fall asleep and you feel that, Oh, that's what
it feels like, and then she will come right on in.
And if you're practicing seeing subtle light energy, you might
notice a bit of a light show on the right
side over here between my ear and my shoulder. I've
got a lot of acknowledgment that this is where I
go out. You can see it on recordings, so no problem,

(01:00:08):
So check out over here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
And if you're new to seeing energy, just soften your body,
Buddha belly, let your Buddha belly hang like, relax your muscles,
keep your eyes open, focus on the air point, not
what's behind me. But on the air. Keep your eyes open,
don't blink, let things fuzz out, and then just hang
there and see if you can catch the shift afterwards.

(01:00:43):
I guess when you say goodbye to Grace, it'll take
me a little moment to kind of come back. Okay, okay,
I will see you later, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I will see you in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Right there. Hi, Oh, my microphone is here. Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I'm very good? I'm very good. What is there anything
you'd like to say to the audience before we get
started with questions?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Hi, audience, I tend let me get comfortable. I want
you to get comfortable too. I like to call people
who are into this uh searching for the spiritual growth
and everything. We call them luminaires. It's people who shine
light so high, luminaires and whipTo. I want you to

(01:01:53):
know before we begin is that I'm nine years old.
I choose to be nine year years old. I don't
have to be nine years old. I choose it because
when my last incarnation I was on earth, and I
really liked being young and playful. And I noticed that

(01:02:15):
when I would talk to people, even if it was
about really crazy things that they would listen to me
and they would laugh about it with me because they
found it really entertaining. And so when I crossed over,
I actually I transitioned when I was six, and so
I've been here for a really long time. And then
when I had the opportunity to start helping people on

(01:02:37):
Earth with all kinds of things. But what I really
like to help people do is remember where they came from.
And I really like to talk about animals and multi dimensionals,
and I actually like talking about the economy. I know
that sounds very funny, but I like those things. So
when I start talking about those big things, I noticed
that if I kept my playfulness and my fun and

(01:03:00):
my curiosity and my giggle, that people would listen more
and it wouldn't be less it would be less threatening
and less scary because there's so much change going on
right now, and that when you get into it and
then you start to realize what you can do and
how sensitive you are, that you could really overwhelm yourself

(01:03:23):
and that's not fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Well, thank you for that. Well, since you brought it up,
what is your understanding of the economy, Because a lot
of people are afraid of where the economy is going
around the world. So what do you feel that the
economy is doing now and in the next five years
or so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's shaking a lot, and it's I'm very happy to
know that people are slightly nervous about it, because it
means that they respect it and that they're not just
going all in. So what I like to tell people
is that at least for this year, no this year,
next year, in twenty twenty seven, the way that you

(01:04:01):
want to preserve your money or your financial energy, because
everything is energy, that if you have a good relationship
with your financial energy, I would put it with gold,
like gold, real gold, not like gold like the stocks.
I would put in silver, because this is going to
continue to get stronger and stronger over this year and

(01:04:24):
next year, and in fact in the near future, not
the far future, but the near future. You're going to
be using some of that as exchange for materials and services.
But that's not what everything is turning into. I just
want to want you to know that is not all
going there, but you are going to be using some

(01:04:45):
of that on the side. And then another place that
I would put your money is property, and that's a
global statement right there, because there are so many governments
right now that are buying up properties and helping high
but it's not really a help helping people stay in
poverty by making a rent culture rather than an owning culture,
which is not really good. So if you can own

(01:05:08):
your own property and have your financial energy and that,
it's really rewarding and it will give back to you
a lot. And then if you want to talk about
crypto or bitcoin and things of that nature, is not
as volatile as it was before. In the beginning, it
was really scary to watch. It was like the most
extreme rollercoaster ride that you would ever want to be on.
But now since last November, it's going to be leveling

(01:05:31):
off some, but it's still kind of up and down.
So it has to be financial energy that you want
to play somewhere and watch it get agitated and shaped
around and where you don't have to dip into it
right away. So at least a five year no touch zone,
but that it will grow for you. It's not going
to collapse because the digital coin. Am I talking too much?
Is it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
If I say you're good, you're good good?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
You got so wiet The digital stuff is going to
grow and it's also going to start merging into This
is how people will spend money in a global sense.
It won't just be from country to country to country.
It's going to be what you can call like global currency.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
So what is the biggest challenge that humanity is facing
in the future? Spiritual and three dimensional?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
The biggest challenge, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
One of the biggest challenges that humanity is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Okay, one of the biggest challenge because there's a few
I would say one of it, and if I'm looking
at everybody in the world, i would say fear. I
would put that as number one. And it's just it's
like everybody deals with fear differently. But I would like

(01:06:46):
for people when you find yourself in a fear response
or like nervous and you want to run away, because
people will say, well, I'm just nervous about it, but
really you might have been fearful about it where you
want to seek avoidance. I would like people to understand
that when you come into fear, you're actually not aware

(01:07:06):
of the choices that you can make, like the amount
of opportunity or different possibilities that you could generate in
that very moment and So if we use the feeling
of fear as a button that pushes in your body

(01:07:29):
to say, look at this from a different angle, try
on a different paraglasses, like quickly, use that as the
use it as the opportunity or the motivation to switch gears.
Because if you could switch gears in that moment, all
of a sudden, you will gain perspective and through everything

(01:07:50):
that's happening. I really want people to have a larger perspective,
especially in relationship to subatellight energy, the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Thank you for that. Yeah, So a lot of people
are afraid of AI right now. How will AI affect
our spiritual growth moving forward?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
It's like I want to talk about it in two ways.
Is that Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Go for it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
So AI will be extremely helpful. I know a lot
of people don't want to hear that, but with its
learning curve and everything that it's putting together, and it's
processing information and giving sweeping views and like deep words
to people, Like some people are just mismorized by it

(01:08:35):
and they think that it's spirit talking directly to them
and like they're embodied with it. So I say it's
helpful because and this is something to think about when
you're getting a message from someone and it really resonates
with you and it's changed your life, and you could
just put it on right away and you're like, this

(01:08:56):
is bliss, This is everything I was looking for and
I'm just so grateful that kind of help. Okay, does
it really matter where it came from? Does it matter
that it came from God's source, the Earth Mother Mary?
Does it matter that it came from a multi dimensional

(01:09:17):
or a denser entity or a demon? Because he said
demon earlier, I thought I'd use that word again. Does
it matter where it came from? Because you're not going
to carry the frequency of who said it because you
took it and you applied it to you. So when

(01:09:38):
you take it and you apply it to you, it
has your imprint. It did it great for you. So
AI is going to be doing lots of helpful thing
for people. The downfall the second thing that I want
to talk about. It's like a pacifier. It's not letting
people have their experiences. It's like people are going to

(01:09:59):
want to go into AIS to have AI tell them
the experience and then they're going to pretend that they
had it. But see, being human means that you agree
to an experiential life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Because when you go through the experience, you change the
chemical makeup in the body, you change how you're made.
That that's where the upgrades come from. That's where your
DNA starts to get activated, it starts to be used differently.
And if we skip that ho we're doing a huge

(01:10:44):
disservice to the instrument that you agreed to take care of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Can you explain to people why the institutions around the
world are so falling apart that they're crumbling around us,
from our religion to our government, to our economies, to
mass media, to medical to food, all of these systems,
what is the purpose and how can we overcome the
fear that we're dealing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
With because education, all of it, all of them. It
isn't that fun to say, do you know? We've been
waiting for this for a really really, really really really
long time, and you on Earth could have done it
in steps. You could have been fixing one and then
like moving to the next one. But no, there was

(01:11:30):
this fear, and fear held everything that was not working
for you in place so that you could stay the
same and stay with your blinders and not notice anything
and be okay and live in ignorance is bliss. So
when things are crumbling and falling, you've been taught to

(01:11:51):
look at that as a negative or I don't really
like the word negative, but let's say an unfavorable, like
it's not not favorable to your outcome because it's not
going to be supporting you anymore. And that's nerve wracking.
And everybody's awakening journey is going to deal with what

(01:12:13):
was fixed turns to fluid because the human existence likes
to try to be fixed. Remember all the labels and
that time is linear and we're going to put everything
down on paper and make it fixed. But when everything,
everything that operates inside of you alex only energy that
moves through you, it's fluid. And so when fixed starts

(01:12:38):
to break down and you become fluid, that's a completely
different experience. And so it's kind of like being born
again or having two phases in your life. And so
those people who really want the systems and the structures
to work and to be in place, because they're heady

(01:12:59):
in their logical and they like to use the left
side of their brain a whole lot. I say to you,
do those systems in place support humanity? Like the vote
from here on forward, from twenty twenty five forward, is
going to be the vote for humanity, not the vote
to protect money or the vote for you know, I

(01:13:21):
don't know what else to call it corporations and the
vote to preserve corruption and things of that nature. It's
going to be a true vote for humanity. And when
I say humanity, I don't just mean the protection and
support of human existence. I also mean it with all
life forms like the earth and plants and animals and

(01:13:41):
all those things too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Before we bring Grayson, do you have any final words?
Are parting words you'd like to share with the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I like to say, first of all, thank you, because
I can see in some of you that you have
a tickling tummy and you're like, what is this? This
is not what I'm used to. But I want you
to know spirits, like myself and other entities that are
out there, we have personalities. We're not just all like
omnipresent big beings and mass consciousness. We have ways of

(01:14:12):
speaking to you and talking to you and helping you
that bring joy to your life and I'm one of those,
and I'm reminding you that I choose to be this way,
then I don't have to and that at any time
in your life, if you feel like you need any
kind of assistance, that you can call on me, and
I wouldn't mind coming by to help you at all.

(01:14:34):
But if you ever find yourself in your life and
you're just not feeling the way that you want to, like,
call like happiness or joy or content comfort settled without pay.
If you're just not feeling the way that you would like,
I ask of you to change your perspective. If you

(01:15:00):
you address the things that you are so good at
knowing you don't like, like you look at the things
that you want to say no to and you choose
to love them instead. And it is a muscle you
have to build. And I will say maybe for some
of you it feels really weird at the beginning, but

(01:15:21):
you give it an attention and a love and a
kindness because everything here is for purpose, and everything here
is actually to support your best and greatest outcome in
your life. Always. I know that's a really big statement,
but I'm going to say always, And it's up to
you to adjust the lenses that you have so that

(01:15:44):
you can see that and be a part of it.
That's what I would want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Thank you so much. So can we bring graceon now?

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Okay, thank you, that's where you go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
I'll see you boom, okay, thank you, bye, Hello, hello Grace.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
I might need a moment after that. It's always like
coming in after a bit of a hurricane. All right, then, Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Hello Grace. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
And is there anything much for having me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Is there anything you would like to say to start
off our conversation with the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Oh, a bit of like what my mission is?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yes? And any advice, any words of wisdoms, any lessons
that you would like to share before we get started
with questions.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
That's very kind of you. What I would like to say,
what I commonly say, is I like to remind people
to choose happiness. There's so much opportunity around each and
every one of you, and in that opportunity, you might

(01:17:09):
have a goal in mind, an outcome, something that you
have created or designed. But I like for you to
look past that and ask yourself, is the decision you're
about to make going to bring you all of the
joy and the happiness in the world. And yes, I

(01:17:29):
want you to think big. I want you to be
grand about this thinking and involvement in the words. And
if it's not, what can you adjust in your decision making,
which is what you're willingly bringing into your field and
into your physical body that will allow more happiness and

(01:17:53):
more joy to resonate. I remind I remind you that
the joy, the happiness, the laughter, the curiosity, these frequencies
inside of the human body will help lift your energies
so that you may have that higher perspective. Now, many

(01:18:16):
of you are looking at this transition between three D
and five D, and with all the changes in the
world around you, I can absolutely see why you are
doing this. But if you're lost and not knowing which
way to go, what book to read, what guru or
yoga or teacher to follow to be It's not about

(01:18:36):
all of this external, external world feeding your path. It's
about you internally feeding your path. And I ask of
you to please do so consciously with each choice, in
each decision that you make based on bringing you happiness,

(01:18:58):
joy and bliss. Thank you for letting me have that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Thank you so much for saying that my first question
to you is where do you see humanity going in
these next five to ten years, because a lot of
people are fearful of what is happening and would like
to know when's the light at the end of the
tunnel supposed to show up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
You're very generous for your timeline five to ten years. Yes,
let's do something more urgent and say three to five okay,
because the largest shifts are happening now, and we're going
to speak as if time is going to unfold in
the way that you've always believed it to be quite linear,

(01:19:44):
one day after the next. So in these next three
to five years, humans, your experience of dimensional planes, your
experience of your subtle, light, energetic body is going to expand.
And in this expansion, you're going to be able to

(01:20:05):
use your physical bodies, which you will still obtain. You're
not going to leave your physical body behind, but your
physical body is going to be able to do more
than what it's able to do currently.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
And in this expansion, you're going to be able to
have the opportunity to engage in other dimensional races and
For some of you that will be a quite mental experience,
feeling more like telepathy. For some of you that telepathy
might feel like empathy, a clear sentient where you have

(01:20:49):
communication within your body, a deep knowing within your physical body.
And then for others, you will transcend this three D
to five D realm that you're playing in and you'll
be able to have more movement between dimensional planes. Which
doesn't mean that you leave it all behind to never return.

(01:21:12):
That is not yet at all. You have made a
solid agreement to be within this body and to honor
this body and the Earth, and this is what you
will uphold the more and more you expand your light
body over the next three to five years. The more
you expand, the more importance that you're going to learn

(01:21:33):
about taking care of the Earth. You're not just breathing
her air and eating her food to stay alive. You
are energetically entwined with her energetic body. So the more
and more you learn, we will find in your world
currently in your timeline, the importance of taking care of

(01:21:56):
the soil, the plants, the food, the importance of ridding
plastic from the earth and looking at pollution. She will
heal so much faster than the amount of time it
took for her to become ill. So please do not
measure timelines as if it took one hundred years to

(01:22:19):
pollute her, it will take one hundred years of her
to heal, because it will not. It can take months.
If we all work together, and I said we meaning
us in spirit and you on earth, because we share
her light together. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
My next question is what is the future of some
of the institutions that are falling around, like religion, like
Hollywood and the media, like healthcare, like our food systems.
So many people are curious about where this is all
going any of those. You could choose her all of them,
if you could choose, if you could tell us where
we're going with that in the next three to five.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Years, ah in like your timeline. So all the institutions
that you have are shifting, They are changing in a
way that is going to support your growth. So we
think about an animal in a cage, and when the
animal grows larger and it's outgrown its cage, it cannot

(01:23:23):
stay in it, and so it starts to break down,
it starts to have new needs. And I know animal
in a cage is not a very pleasant thing for
you to think of, this entrapment. But this is exactly
where you are the majority. Well, no, I want to
take that back. It's not the majority anymore. A lot

(01:23:47):
of human potential energy is trapped. It's trapped under the
expectation of a few liters of a few strong voices,
and it's trapped under it, so it cannot be used.
The resources cannot be used. And now one by one
you're noticing that these institutions are not working for you. You're

(01:24:11):
learning more truth. Instead of being told about only the successes,
you're learning about the trials and what did not work properly,
what went against maybe your constitution or went against your
gut instincts. And now you can make wiser and smarter decisions.

(01:24:31):
People on Earth are going to make decisions here from
their heart and from their body, not from their knowledge bank.
They're going to make it from their experiences. And this
is so much more rich and more lively. So these
institutions are not going to crumble, Alex. It's not as
if somebody comes by with a mallet and just wipes

(01:24:53):
them all off the map. They're going to restructure, They're
not going to crumble or fall. Because these institutions are here,
it's going to be quite difficult for humans to creatively
see what you can do without them in place. So
what you will work on next is restructuring them and

(01:25:15):
taking the pride, confidence and understanding of how to rework
what already exists. Yes, to have humanity energy on Earth, plants, people, animals,
We keep saying this over and over again, all of us,
to keep it safe, to keep it thriving. And so

(01:25:37):
once you figure out how to redo the institutions, from
that point, that is where you, as people on Earth,
decide what institutions do you want to keep and which
ones you don't need anymore. And that is going to
take more than three to five years. That is going
to take us into several decades. But what you're experiencing

(01:25:59):
currently within the next three years will feel bigger and
larger than any other moment in time. And so this
can really exhaust the human body. And so if you're
out there right now feeling overwhelmed and exhausted and wondering
why this is happening to you, maybe are you sick,
are you tired, or you're not sleeping enough. You're trying

(01:26:22):
to seek answers externally and get control over things. But honestly,
for the next three to five years, we'll use that term.
The energies that are moving through to restructure are so
strong that your physical bodies are not used to it.
And when you evolve or make these changes from three
D to five D, it takes a moment to adjust.

(01:26:45):
So if you are tired, my love, sleep, If you
are not engaged in what you're doing, please, my love,
step back, don't engage anymore, Listen to what your body needs.
Let your body's intelligence be a part of your decision making.
Do not ignore it anymore. It is not an animal

(01:27:07):
in a cage anymore. It has a voice, and it's
going to speak louder and louder, and it's going to
do so through feelings, is going to do so through sensations.
Give the attention it needs to it. That will help
you navigate through all of these years, and you will

(01:27:28):
fill tiptop prime energy and you have a deeper understanding
of what all these shifts are. Less fear, more.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Love, grace. Do you have any parting messages for the
audience before you leave?

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
My opening message is usually my parting message to choose happiness.
But what I will say, and I say this from
all of who I am, you are not alone. You
are not alone. And yes, I know your mind might

(01:28:06):
be thinking of your friends, your family, your animal companions,
your community, and you say, of course I'm not alone.
But on your spiritual journey, it is a very quiet
and individual path, and there are parts where you feel
that you are doing it all alone and isolated. But

(01:28:30):
I want you to know that you are not alone.
There is so much love in this universe. There is
so much support coming to you specifically. You are important
and your voice needs to be heard, and you are

(01:28:52):
part of something fantastic beyond imagination. And each day we
promise to unfold a little bit more information for you
so that you may grasp it, hold on to it,
use it, and feel safe being in it. Stay within

(01:29:15):
your love, and all will be well. Thank you for
your time, Thank you, Chris, be well, godspeed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Are you back here? That was a very very fascinating, Jamie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Do you have a good time?

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
It was fantastic. No, it was I adore both of them.
They both have very different energies, very very different energies.
I wasn't expecting Grace to have a British accent. That
was a lovely surprise, and it's a solid accent the
entire time. It's not like it fluctuated.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
It's British from first day I met her. She came
in with that voice.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
How are you feeling right now? Are you? Are you drained?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
No? I always I feel a little like I've had
a glass of wine. And I'm not a big drinker.
So a glass of wine, like, let's get going.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
So you're but you it kind of like you start
sobering up, as do you talk a little bit more
and more? Gotcha? Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Exactly what happens to drink.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
And drink water? I know the water is a big
thing as well. We'll be right back after a word
from our sponsor, and now back to the show. Thank
you so much for that. That was such a beautiful
message from both of them, and a lot of a
lot of great information. I know you don't remember any

(01:30:56):
of it, but you will see it when it comes
on in the show, so you'll feel to watch it
if you watch these things back or not. But I
think it's going to help a lot of people, So
I appreciate that. Uh Najima, I'm gonna ask you a
few questions. Ask all of my guests, what is your definition?
What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Gosh, Alex, what a beautiful question? A definition of living
a beautiful life?

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
I wound.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
I'm just making up words. This is fun. We should
start off just by getting drunk and trying to answer
these questions. I'm kidding. That is not this is me joking.
A fulfilled life, Okay. I'll pick two things that I'm

(01:31:50):
living by these days. One is I have to give
a shout out to Colleen Ziegler, who like is my
partner in crime in all of this business. And she
told me one day when I went to her and
I was like, I just don't know what to do.
And she's like, Jamie, if it's not a hell yes,
it's a no. And I was like, oh my god, okay,

(01:32:13):
So if I've got a or okay, it's actually a no.
So I live by the hell yes rule. And the
secondary one that's helping my emotional and spiritual body is
if I need to disappoint someone when I'm making a decision,

(01:32:34):
it needs to be somebody else and not me. I
don't need to disappoint myself anymore, and it has just
led me into places of pure happiness and peace as
I advocate for my own.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Needs, beautifully said, beautifully said. If you had a chance
to go back in time and speak to little Jamie,
what advice would you give her?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I mentioned a little of this before go to college
for psychology. I think what I would tell her?

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
There's so much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I mean, I believe in you, dang, Alex. That one
got me in my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
When you're looking at her, Yeah, when you're looking at
your little self, like you remember back to that like
three or four year old version of you, and you
just want to hug them, and you want to give
them just the biggest hug in the world. And it's yeah,
I know it's emotional. It's emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Well, let me ask you this, then, what would little
Jamie's advice to you be today?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I keep playing, keep laughing, Stay curious, definitely stay curious.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
How do you define God or source?

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Oh? My god, I don't have a spoken word for it, Alex.
It's like to feeling, and it's a feeling that fully
supports a knowing, but it's I can't express it in
this human container. It's everything and nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
What is love?

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
It's everything and nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
That's an answer. That's an answer. I'm okay with that.
Next question is how do you define liberation in this lifetime?

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Oh, liberation like freedom mhm, the ability to prioritize your
own needs.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of this life?

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
To experience love in all of its variations? Love? Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
You can find me over on my website at Jamie
butlermedium dot com or hanging out on my webs you
still like out of it. This is the beatest challenge
Alex to YouTube, Jamie Butler Medium, all the social media's YouTube. Yeah,
this is going really well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
I'm gonna have to have you stand up and do
a sobriety test.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Seriously exactly all the social media accounts Jamie Butler Medium
like you can just head there and then that will
take you out to our learning platforms like over and
learn It live and everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
We are perfect And do you have any party messages
for the audience? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yes, my spirit team told me this and I probably
laughed for several days and then I started saying it,
but it's not woo woo. It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Oh I like that. I might have to take that one.
I'm sorry. That's it's not woo woo. It's true. True,
that's so, it's true. It's beautiful, that's beautiful, beautiful. Ya, Jamie.
It's been such a pleasure having you on the show.
I do truly believe that this conversation is going to
help a lot of people watching it for years to come.

(01:36:20):
And it was such a pleasure meeting both of those
beautiful souls who came through today and then their beautiful
messages to the audience. So I appreciate you and everything
you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Thank you so much. Alex, same to you everything that
you've done. Thank you for being the lighthouse and guiding
some people into some new territories.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
I want to thank Jamie so much for coming on
the show and sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
show notes at next level soul dot com. Forward slash
six one eight. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you,
there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely
commercial free on Next Level Soul TV's app where Soul

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Begin your awakening at Next levelsoul dot tv. Thank you
so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.
It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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