NLS 619: Humanity Entering the HIEROPHANT STAGE! ARCHANGEL METATRON, ENOCH & St Germain with Robert Edward Grant

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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome back
returning Champion Robert Edward Grant and Robert and I have

(01:43):
an explosive conversation about Saint Germain's true origins, Metatron's true origins.
Enoch so much more new discoveries, new things that he
hasn't talked about before, all in this conversation. So sit back, relax,
and get ready to get that mind blown. Let's dive in.

(02:07):
I like to welcome back to the show returning Champion
Robert Edward Grant.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I agreed to see Alex.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's so good to see you again, sir. You know
I love having you in this I love having you
in the studio. I'd never want to do another zoom
interview with again always what I've wor with you, because
these are.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
So much more, way more powerful.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
The energy is different, all that stuff and perfect example
is while we were prepping to come in here, you're like, oh,
I got to show you something on my phone, and
you explain to me this new idea that I have
never heard about with in regards to a to your
chakras and to a Kundalini awakening. Now, I'm fairly well
versed in this space. I've had five hundred and seventy

(02:50):
five hundred and eighty people on the show Masters and
all sorts of things. I understand what a chakra is,
I understand what a Kundalini awakening is. I understand a
lot of these details. So I'm not a new beat.
But and you threw this thing out about a knot
in between chakras, which is I've never heard of. So
I was like, oh, we're starting with that in this conversation.
So tell me what these knots are between the chakras

(03:14):
that need to be untied for the Kundalini energy to
come up to have a full awakening or enlightenment as they.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Say, they're called grants.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Grants. You said like a I'm like, what the hell
is a.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Black like like my last name, It's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Stop it. I just got the chills. We're twin flames. No,
I'm joking. Only a twin flame would say that. Robert,
please stopp please.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
He said that because, like I lately, I've been having
too many people like claim to be my twin flame.
I've got twin flame whiplash.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I think that's why I said it. Only a twin
flame would say that. Okay, so okay, Granti, yes, based
on your name, Grant, yes, it was named after you,
so yes, well.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I wasn't named after me. The first time I heard
the word right was actually from I went to a
Sikh wedding. Oh wow, you know what Sikhism, right, it's
just one of the Indian religions faiths And they're the
ones who are the turbans. And yeah, they're the one
mustache is.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
They're a nine to eleven. The head a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm trying it, had a rough that had a rough
time trying to get to that mustache level.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
You're getting there, You're getting it.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I'm getting You're almost almost a right Fu Manchu. Like
what was the name of the guy on kill Bill?
It's like, oh Bill, No, No, no, no, oh, that
guy the master, the Master. Yes, it's like but he
was like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yes, it's so good. By the way, just so you
feel old, that's a twenty year old movie, just throwing
that out there. This is the twentieth.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Anniversary, right, No, it's like when The Matrix was twenty
years old. Now it's twenty six years old and.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
We're almost on the thirtieth anniversary. I was ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Man, that's crazy, crazy stuff, all right. So so anyway,
I went to the Sikh wedding in Miami and from
one of my friends and or his kid, and you know,
it's like this full on extravaganza. You go to an
Indian wedding, it's like a thing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Oh I've seen them. I've seen the videos. Yeah, it's
a seven day event. Sin it's a whole yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And then it culminates in them writing an elephant you read.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
In my mind, I'm like, when's the elephant coming in?
Like in Miami?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Where do they find the elephant in Miami? But there's
always a white elephant. There's got to be the white
elephant too, So it's like so then someone's got to
paint the elephant.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's like, who's that dude?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Who is that dude? Right?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So not only have to rent an elephant, you have
to find someone to allow you to paint the elephant.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, in Miami, and the elephant represents that's Ganesh, right,
it's the representation of the higherfan stage.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
What's a f stoy?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Ah? Something else you didn't know?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, every time I talk to you, I learned you.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So in the tarot deck, yeah, right, which is supposed
to have been made by Thoth, as well as a
fifty two card playing deck. That's why there's things like
tarot card readings as well as cardology readings. Right, So
in cardology, I'm a three of diamonds and then a
seven of hearts. That's a whole other thing. We go
down a deep rabbit hole. And you know who taught

(06:13):
me this, Katy Perry. The Katy Perry, the Katy Perry
who is like a fan of my show Codex and
who reached out to me and asked me to have
dinner with her in Orlando. And it was crazy. And
she's like totally into all this esthetic stuff. And I mean,
I know people are calling me like, dude, did you

(06:34):
meet Katy Perry? She's like evil. I'm like, she's not.
I didn't get that impression. From her, and she was
very much into all this stuff, and I never got
the impression that she was like I mean, she did
keep like going like this to me and you know,
like making that I'm kidding that's a joke.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
No, I was that in like really but no, it
was wild.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
She came it to me and I met her in
Santa Barbara and she's like, Robert, I'm your hugest fan,
and she came to give me this big hug and
I was like, is this for real? Like what life
am I living right now?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Can't posita for a second. I've heard from friends of
mine who are in the business who are like, you know,
this actor is like a huge fan of yours, like
watches everything. I'm like, are you they know my name?
Oh yeah they do, like they watch what? Like, oh yeah,
they they love you? Like can you take a picture
and I'll send it to them? O? Can I FaceTime

(07:27):
them or someone? And I'm like, what has happened? It's
so weird, isn't it. Like all of a sudden, Katy
parent like I'm a huge fan of You're like what.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And Katie did a whole reading on me. Yeah, It's
like she had come prepared. She did know my birthday
and everything already, and so she had like said, Okay,
I'm going to teach you about cardology and here's how
it works. And it's all this esoteric background and everything
and you're three of diamonds and a seven of hearts
and this is what this means. And she did a
full reading. I recorded the whole thing and and it
was like really good. I mean, she's really into this stuff.

(07:57):
And then Orlando's like, oh, mate, she like watches your
show under the covers every night. Like He's like, he's
like telling you how Katy Perry's watching codecks, you know,
under the covers on an iPad like NonStop. And I
was like, is this even happening? Is this for real?
Like oh wait, no, we live in a matrix of

(08:18):
our own mind.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Robert, as I said in our last conversation, you are
the most interesting man in the world. And sharks have
a week dedicated to you, sir. Yes, I'm telling you
that's gonna catch on hashtag Shark Week by Robert.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Grau in Tarot Deck. In the Tarot Deck, one of
the cards is called the hirafant Okay, the symbology of
the higherfan is often associated with the elephant. So I'm looking,
you have an elephant right there? Yes, a white elephant,
no less, a white elephant no less right. So basically
what I learned when I was at this event where
it's like elephants writing in and everything. When they actually

(08:53):
have the wedding of a Sikh wedding they had the
man was wearing like red color and the and the
woman was wearing white. I was like, whoa, this is
kind of symbolic and similar to the marriage of the
red king and the white queen, which is a stage
in alchemy called the rubedo. So where do all these
symbolisms come from? Over time? And instead of having a

(09:15):
preacher or a guru or something in Sikhism, they abandoned
the concept of a guru and replaced it. Guru just
means darkness and light, So light from the darkness, someone
who's balanced because divinity. Each one of these ascended avatars
that you basically present on the wall here were people
who had learned to transmute and transcend their shadows by

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integrating them, so they are perfectly balanced in their light
and dark in their own conscious awareness. So the more
that you become aware of your darkness and learn to
accept it and understand it, then you can be in
more control over your outer world and your inner world.
So divinity is the balance of the two. It's not
getting rid of the dark.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, that's I think a misconception. Everyone looks at you know,
Jesus or a Buddha or any of these kind of
ascended masters and they're like, oh, they're pure light. No,
they've learned to balance the dark and the light right
in them.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And they've learned to love it all because they realized
there can be no light without darkness.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
We've said this before. Darkness is not the absence of light.
If we turn off every light in this room, we
have no windows in this room, and you have black
walls in this room, we turn off every light, there
would still be light in the ambient environment of the
room because all of the molecules that we would see
that represent carbon and DNA that's in the wood here, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen,

(10:53):
they all have an energetic light signature of emission of
certain wavelengths of light, and that's how we know when
we look in outer space, we can see certain wavelengths
of nanimeters of light that are emitted in outer space,
and so we can say, oh, that's plasma, or that's
a hydrogen pocket, or that's a helium pocket. That's how
we know what it is. So when we turn off
the light, all that's happened now is you have the

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ambient air of nitrogen oxygen and we have carbon here.
It's all emanating and emitting its own light signature, and
when you turn on the light, it's reflecting that and
increasing the magnitude of that reflection. It's the amplification of
the ambient light that's already here and the colors of
that that create this ambient light that we're experiencing incandescence

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right now. So this is this whole idea of getting
rid of the darkness means that you're getting rid of
the light also, So a true ascended master is one
who's understand who's actually come to the understanding of his
own darkness. I'm not afraid of people that have darkness.
I'm only afraid of people that believe they have none.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, it's kind of like the person who's yelling and
screaming in the corner and being very voisterous. You don't
have to worry about that person. It's the quiet one
in the corner that you need.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
To worry about, right, or the person who thinks that
they're taking on and I'm going to rid the earth
of a scourge Thanos Thanos. Thanos Thanos is a good example.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Good intentions, good intentions. The overpopulation of the universe executions
a little off.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, kill half of everybody, that's right.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
But he had good intentions.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
He had he thought he was doing the right thing. Yeah,
so did Hitler, so did.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Tengka's Consola, all of them.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, that's right. And we see the world not as
it is, but as we are, So we want to
justify all of our actions. And so the impetus and
the motivation behind all of our actions is actually the
thing that will benefit us the most. And we call
that the ethical imperative.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
You see what I'm saying. It's it's our inability to
perceive our own darkness. And why is that so difficult?
Because an I can't see itself right, So it has
to create mirrors. And that's what relationships are for, is
to create mirrors so that we can see these aspects
of ourselves that are disintegrated that need to be yet reintegrated.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So but the question to you, Robert, is then why
are all these twin flames coming into your life?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Geez, stop, sorry, this is not go round. That's right,
that's right. Well, I'm looking at the book up there
that says love. Okay, that's why.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
That's why. But no, but and and we joke about it.
But that is when things continuously repeat themselves in your life.
It's the universe trying to tell you something that you
have to learn something here and integrate this and be
able to balance it.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Why did I choose this?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
What? Why is this situation in my life? Why does
it continue to repeat itself again and again? If I'm
not learning the lesson because I've had lessons that I've
that got sledgehammered into me as opposed to the whisper,
and I've realized going back in in my history, going oh,
I don't have to learn that anymore. I've learned that lesson,
and that's why it hasn't come back up.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, usually it's whenever you start to accept the opposite condition.
So if you're experiencing whatever it is over and over
and over again, and you can distill it down to
one thing. Then usually it's your lack of acceptance of
its opposite condition that leads to the fact that you
continue to experience this same thing over and over and

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over again. And that's when you're not picking up on
discernment because you're not discerning the pattern.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
If you are fearful of being poor, let's say, which
is a big fear of so many people on this planet. Rightly,
so you need money to order to live and to
have a roof over your head. And of course, but
if there's an intrinsic fear that the world is going
to come to an end, that I'm going to lose

(14:54):
my job, that I never have enough money, I can
never get past it, that is the reality that is
present you.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Correct, So you think that I need to learn abundance.
I need to learn abundance. I need to learn abundance.
So okay, let's say the abundance is elusive to you
because all the things you're seeking become elusive to you
because you've distanced yourself from it. The way to manifest
it is by feeling as if you already have it,
and you're enough without even having it. And that's the

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moment everything comes to you. It's like when you were
in high school, the moment that you have like a girlfriend,
then all the other girls are interested in you yeah,
and you're like, what's going on? And then the moment
that you need credit from a bank, that's the worst
time to go to a bank and ask for credit.
You never know, no, they only give credits. Like well wait,
that's when you first learned what a catch twenty two
is because it's like, so I need to have a

(15:44):
credit history to get credit, but then how do I
get a credit history if I can't get credit the
first time? Well, that's your problem, right, It's the same thing.
The universe mirrors back the same exact thing to us.
So if you want to learn abundance and experience abundance,
stop fear lack, right, stop feeling the lack, because it's

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your feeling of lack that creates more lack.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's a magnet, it's a frequency. Frequencies can only connect
to the sympathetic residence.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So if you're feeling like I'm in a moment of
I have no abundance, I'm in lack you're just going
to experience more lack until you finally learn to accept. Okay,
I'm good with being in lack. I have enough. I'm
happy the way I am. That's when your abundance will
find you the moment you accept the opposite. So whatever

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it is, so try to identify what the opposite thing is,
because this universe we learned through opposites. So back to
the whole concept of I'm at this seak wedding, and
while I'm at this seak wedding, I'm watching all the
symbology happen play on infirm of me, and I was like,
why don't they have like a speaker. It's like there's
no speaker up there. Oh, because in Sikhism we abandon
the concept of a guru back in something like the

(16:55):
sixteenth century. And this is like the warrior class, right,
they all have the big sword. Yeah, yeah, with like
the shape, ye exactly. And that's why they always have them,
like guarding the hotels out front and everything, the big
mustache and then and the beard and all that and
and so you can look at somebody. Anyone that's wearing
a turban a lot, right, probably has a background of

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being a Sikh. You know, I don't know this for certain,
but probably Sod Guru would probably be that, and Sod
guru just means truth guru, Sod means truth sad. So
basically I was like, okay, so there's no preacher up there,
but there's a book and the book was open on
this little altar right in front of where they're getting married,

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and there's like one guy that would go up there
and read passages from the book. That's it, but he's
not like, the focus is not on him. It's like
the narration almost. And I've said what's the name of
the book and they're like, oh, it has the same
as your name, And I said, grant. What he goes, Yes,
it's it's a grant. It's it's basically the Guru grant Sahiba,

(18:01):
Guru grant, but it's with a thh. But you don't
pronounce the h of course, so Guru grant Sahiba. They're like,
it's like your name grant. His name is our book,
our sacred book. So I'm like, what you gotta be
kidding me, right, But there's a lot more in a
name than what we know. It is a consciousness as well,

(18:24):
and everything in your life. When you start finding this
riddle of your life, you start finding the patterns that
connect all of it. And I'll tell you more about
this in a moment, but and I challenge you to
do this for yourself because there's a hidden message always, always,
always in your name. And so I realize, okay, there's

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some meaning that's of spiritual meaning related to this sacred book.
It's like their bible for seekhs. Right. So then I
realized that a granti, right, is actually a not that's
like an energetic place that's along your shashimna, that's in
between your chakras. So there's a Vishnu granti, there's a
Brahma granti, and there's three of these granti's and you

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have to be able to get your Kundalini life force
to break through these knots or stages of your life.
So you could say that as you go up through
your chakra, as you're going from the first dimension, which
would be a line in mathematical terms, the second dimension
is going to be an X Y axis, So that's
going to be the sex chakra. So it's probably why
we often reference sexuality with an X. There's symbolism that's

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tied to all of this. There's always an encryption. Time
itself becomes the encryption to the fifth dimension, the fifth chakra.
Pronounce with a hard ch It's not actually chakra. We
all today in the US, we all say, oh, it's
a chakra, and it's important to pronounce it the right way.
And I only have learned this recently because people corrected
me on it. It's chakra.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's chakra.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, chakra, it's not chakra. That's right. And so you
have to actually get to that's a level of consciousness
to realize that it is chakra, so that you can
actually mouth these words out and form the manifestations. Because
from your lips to God's ears, it's the same concept.
We are forming reality through incantation of the things we're saying.

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We don't even recognize it. It's just like we look
at geometry, geometry as a QR code for the subconscious mind.
You don't even need to understand what the sum of
angles of this geometry is or anything. Just by looking
at it, it is literally activating your subconscious in a
new way. So with the.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Grants, I'll never forget it now because of your name
the grants will be right back after a word from
our sponsor, and now back to the show. So let's
say we have the root chakra, which is basically all

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of our urges and sex and all that kind of stuff.
Material kind of stuff down here as the kundalini a
wake and there's lifetimes. If people have lifetimes that they
never nothing ever opens, the chakras never open for them.
But as you evolve or awaken, those chakras start to
open up a little bit here and as it goes up, right,

(21:14):
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, that's what happens. So each of the chakras, and
not only those chakras, but you actually have semitones because
they're all musical notes. So you start with A, then B,
then C, then D, then E, then F and right
and then go all the way up. So you start with red.
That's why it's red because A is red. Then it's orange,
then after orange it's yellow. That's the solar plexus. The

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sun is the representation for that. So you've got different notes,
and their relationship also is also directly tied to their
absorption characteristics. So it's going to be C, D, E, F, G, A, B,
C just as much as it is a all the
way up right, So these relationships are thirds relationships. So

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you've got C D, E, F G A B C.
The crown chakra ends with the C. We went through
the Corona virus, the Crown virus not a coincidence. Literally,
do you know that the Crown virus in original sense
it was in Scientific American as having been started and

(22:19):
based on the DNA the original DNA test and if
you should know this, you can look it up, was
that it was from.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Two snakes, the coronavirus.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
The coronavirus had venom from two different snakes mixed into it.
When was the Asian asp and the other was a
king cobra.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And those two are the ones that created the.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
The original January twenty twenty article that showed up in
Scientific American that showed that there was actually two snake
venoms that were mixed into forming the thing that leaked
out of the lab. Right, wuhan, Now we all know
and now the CIA and everyone finally says this it
was conspiracy theory. But now wet market came true.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Not a web market, okay, not a wet market.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So this actually came from two snakes. Now is that
kind of funny that we have something called the Crown virus,
like maybe it could be comparison to crown chakra, and
it's made by two snakes.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Going up about Wow, you see the symbology.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So as the energy goes up, and I encourage you
to look this up, it's it's you will find that existed.
Those articles existed when they did the first DNA tests
on the coronavirus.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
So let me ask you because it's just something that's
happened to me in my own evolution. Meditation is what
generally generally helps you awaken these chakras, and it starts
to move and move, and you are when you're meditating,
you're able to move the energy up. I remember in
a meditation where I literally felt a pop happened at

(23:57):
where a chakra would happen, So I literally heard it
and I felt it in my meditation. Was pretty I'll
never forget it. And I'm like, oh, oh, something just happened.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I've had the same experience You've.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Had to say it right, So it's not a full awakening,
but it was definitely on the path.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Do you know where it was?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It was right here like lower right above.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not probably your solar plexus.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
It was probably my solar plex Yeah, yeah, that's where
that one has happened.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So you can think about your experiences right as first
dimension as a line first chakra root chakra is the
line the plane.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Of Earth foundation.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Right, So when we put our arm to the square right,
as they do when you go to testifying court, you
extend your thumb out, you're creating a right triangle.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
This right triangle right here is another form of a mutra. Right.
You don't even realize this, but it's being in rightness
with Heaven, the vertical line and Earth. It's where the
altar meets at the right triangle, which is like a
cube shape, and that's the place where Heaven connects to
Earth at this right triangle. So that's why we bring

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our right arm to the square, because you're testifying in
front of God and Earth that you're testifying the truth.
So we have this thing. So basically this is the
first line, the plane of Earth. First dimension, second dimension.
Now you've got an X y axis and we measure
that in area. We measure the line length in segment length. Right.

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The third dimension is tied to the solar plexus, and
so now you've got like the sun and it becomes
a sphere, right, So the sphere is going to be,
you know, the sphere of the sun and the cube
of the earth, right is how it's represented in alchemy.
And then you end up with the next dimension is
the fourth dimension. So you could take a still image

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and put it into a movie, which is what you've done, right,
So now you've got a motion picture. So you've had
let's say you have now a picture of a square
that then the square pops out into a z axis
the third dimension, which is now the solar plexus, and
then you're going to put that in rotation and apply
the rotation to that to make a motion picture. So
now you've got a cube or a sphere moving around

(26:12):
the screen. Right, that's the fourth dimension, and we track
that and we measure it with volume in time. So
we had line segment length for the first dimension. Second
dimension becomes area represented as x times y right. Third
dimension becomes x times y and then a z axis,
so you take one side length. That's why the volume

(26:34):
of a cube is side length cubed right, right, so
side time, side time side gives you the third dimension.
Fourth dimension is now taking us up and saying it's
going to be in motion. So we're going to take
that cube put it in motion, so you've got a
motion picture of that cube, and then you could say okay.
In these four ways, we're also tying this to something

(26:56):
called the quadrivium. So it's a learning process. So we've
got wait number in itself is arithmetic. Number in space
is geometry, number in time is music, number in space,
time is cosmology. And now when we go to the

(27:20):
next level, number in time space is purpose. So we're
actually just going through this process of learning. We get
to the fifth chakra. That's what we're doing. Number in
time space, the realization that time doesn't only flow one direction,
it flows both directions. We go forward in procession, we

(27:40):
go backward in precession. So each month in January to February,
I'm going from Aquarius. Then from Aquarius, I go to Pisces,
then Pisces to Aris, than Aris to Taurus, then Taurus
two to Gemini, Gemini to cancer, Cancer to Leo, Leo
to Virgo, Virgo to Libra right, and then Libra to Scorpio,
and then you're at Capricorn and the Capricorn two Aquarius.

(28:03):
So you've basically done the whole process and it's gone
one direction, but each day equals one degree. But there's
a larger cycle as well. It's a twenty four thousand
year cycle that's going backwards. And each one degree of
that cycle as we go around Serious A and series
B is sixty six point six years, and all together

(28:25):
three hundred and six degrees of that time sixty six
point six equals twenty four thousand years. This is for
you testwa we were talking about before. So this idea
that time goes forward and backwards, and we're just in
a cycle that's so big we can't see the arc
of that.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Time right with like the Yugas, which is that twenty
four year twenty four thousand year cycle. I mean, it's
so large that you won't be able to see the
curve where we're going. According to where we are right now,
we're like on our way back towards enlightenment. The Dark
Ages was as bad as it got, that's right, and
then now we're on our way back up. Hence all

(29:01):
the awakenings, all the things. Is it true though, that
as we're getting closer to the center of the universe,
we become more connected to who we truly are, and
as we pull back from it in our rotation, if
you will, we start becoming more disconnected. Have you heard

(29:22):
that before?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely. And it's also about the density, right,
So when you're in higher density stage or arc of
the cycle, you're just not going to be aware of
things like an illusion or matrix of mind. So what
happens is our chakra right, or what is even this? Right?
But what this is actually representing is our movement and

(29:44):
different ages through this twenty four thousand year cycle. We
represent different stages along this. So now we're going into
the stage age of Aquarius. We're going to be in
the fifth chakra.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So we're on our way to full enlightenment as to
be as a consciousness one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And guess what this is represented by the higher fan stage,
which is the elephant. Okay, so now I'm being at
full circle, So the elephant is So there are three
stages of the throat chakra. The first is becoming self aware.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
So this is what's happening now. People going through the
awakening process are realizing that they're in a dream and
that dream is becoming lucid, So it means that they
can actually be a co creator of that dream consciously.
You're not just acting out the dream and not knowing
why you're in the dream or what's going on dream.
You're actually creating the dream. So that's an important thing

(30:50):
to note. Then the next thing is that then leads
to self actualization in the dream. Then self actualization brings
you to self transcendence. When you can and send the
idea of what is good and bad, what is light
and dark, you realize that each is there for a reason.
Up until that moment, you think you're just suffering. It's
like trying to learn math without meaning. Learning math without

(31:12):
meaning is just information and numbers. Yeah, exactly. Math without
meaning is like painful to learn.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh, it's horrible, it's horrible.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It's like what But as soon as you realize that
there's meaning behind it, it becomes divine communication. By the
same token, suffering for suffering sake is just suffering. But
as soon as you realize that there's a purpose behind
the suffering. That's why I said number in time space,
the realization that the future creates the past as much

(31:43):
as the past creates the future, and that time loops
on itself now gives meaning to all your suffering. And
when you have meaning to your suffering, that's when you
actually realize that the suffering is the source of your enlightenment.
So all the things that you thought you hated growing
up and all the worst experiences ever, you start looking
with the new light and say, oh, wow, those are
my greatest teachers. I don't even remember my teachers from

(32:05):
high school. They were easy. No, I don't even remember
their names. I went back. They honored, you know, gave
me this honorary thing, which was like Hall of Fame award.
And I went back for this and all my teachers
were there, and the ones that were easy they gave
speeches and everything. They had all my teachers give presentations.
It was like a big thing. And I went back
to Nebraska, and I used to think everything was so

(32:27):
big there, and now I was like everything's so small,
Like everything was so small because I traveled around seeing
more of the world, right, And so the teachers that
were the tough ones on me are the ones that
I really really remembered. I didn't remember the names of
the ones that were easy. And it's the same thing
with my life lessons.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh well, of course you always remember the tough lessons.
You never remember the easiest, and.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
They're the ones that I'm most proud of and the
ones I tell the most stories about.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh absolutely, So wait a minute, so is it really
that bad or is it here to occur for and
through me so that I can have this emergence of consciousness.
What allows me to be able to transcend and through
this transcendence of self is when you finally can break

(33:14):
out of the boundary condition of forward only time. So
we're dimensionally limited avatars that have been dimensionally limited to
the fourth dimension, so we don't see the fifth dimension,
and time becomes the encryption layer between that. Grante's operate
like encryption layers to break into the next dimensional awareness.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So they're like the mini bosses of a video game.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, Or you could say, yes, that's true, like many
boss the video game. Or you could also say that
it's like the super challenge before you can level up.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Right, it's the it's the it's the challenge that you like,
if I get past this, then it opens up the
next thing. So as you were as you were talking
about like this awakening of the Kundalini energy going up.
I've heard that Kundalini energy is extremely dangerous if you
don't know what you're doing, if you activate it too soon,

(34:07):
or if something happens. That's why a lot of people
can go crazy if it pops off at once. So,
like I said, imagine you're at the bottom and you
have a massive Kundalini awakening all at once, which I've
had people on the show. You feel like you're losing
your absolute mind and you're gone for days, if not months,
if not years, sometimes literally like you can't your system

(34:29):
is not prepared for it. But when you do it gradually,
like these these beings on the wall have, you're kind
of easing into it and almost acclimating to the pressure difference,
like you're coming up from the Mariana trench. If not
you get the bends right? Does that make sense? So,

(34:49):
as you're evolving your own spirit, that's when these doorways
start to open a little bit more, and by those
chakras chakras opening up a little bit more, you start
to see the world in a very different way. You
start reacting to the world in a very different way.
You start creating your world in a very different way.
Does that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, it does, It makes total sense. And so the
Granti's are there almost like what's the word. It's almost
like a barrier to avoid a speed bump blowing through it. Right,
It's like a speed bump in a way because some
people would have these spontaneous Kindleani activations and then yeah,
they probably have a difficult time. It'd be if I

(35:31):
try to accelerate my entire awakening process into one month
or something, I'd probably go stronic. Yeah, you fry yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, it's kind of like a channel. When a channel
is channeling somebody, their system, they're electrical, their nervous system
is actually primed to be able to handle the energy
that comes through them, because if not, they you flame out.
You'll pop, you'll pop a circuit.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You'll pop a circuit. And my time when I experienced
this popping sound, yeah, was at the top of my head. Okay,
So at the top of your head there's a little hole, right,
and it's called the Brahma nandhara Okay, okay, And this
is where your kunduli life force comes through and it
finally literally has enough pressure in it. That's like it

(36:18):
bursts through so that it creates this fountain of light
coming out of your head and creating this rainbow body
around you.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
What's that thing that has aus It's like a taurus.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
It's like a torus, and so you know, even this
is creating like the shape of horns in a way, right,
So it comes out of your head and then you
and I can show you a photograph of one of
my friends who who experienced this. I have a picture
of him meditating and he's literally surrounded by a sphere
to a torretol, sphere of light, of rainbow colors, beautiful,

(36:50):
and it's it's pretty amazing. And so what happens is
for me, I was asleep when it happened, and I
heard this popping sound inside my head and then I
felt blood rushing down and I knew I was gonna
get a bloody nose. And that's exactly what it was.
It was like, you know, a crude analogy, but it's
like you know, busting your chakra and you end up

(37:11):
with this blood that comes out of your nose. And
then after that people literally treat you differently.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Is it because your frequency has changed and they can
sense it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
They can subconsciously sense your oric field and expansion.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like you do when you walk near a master.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
When you walk near a master who is realized, right,
they can influence the field around them by just being
in your presence. They can activate you. You don't even
they don't need to say anything. Just their presence has
the power of activating you in a profound way. So
in Taro, when you hit this stage, the third layer

(37:50):
of the throat chakra, it's accompanied with the high refant stage.
The higher refant card is the card where you see
the Pope sitting on a chair and he's got the
two keys, the keys of Peter, right, which are actually
keys of Metatron, same thing. They're musical keys, by the way,
And it's basically sitting there with a triple crown, right.
So the triple crown is also a reference to thrice Great.

(38:14):
It's like Hermes. So the higherfact card is when you
become a priest king, and that means that you are
in your sovereignty, you realize your sovereign nature and your
divine nature. And that's the stage we're now going into.
So that's why symbologies of elephants are showing up all
over the place. I just discovered like several elephant thrones

(38:36):
in Peru. And when we were in Egypt as well,
there was like a full We ended up getting redirected
because there was a big sandstorm last second, and we
ended up getting redirected and had to go instead of
to Abu Symbol to Elephantine Island where the ark of
the Covenant was hidden for a long time. And you know,
we did this big mercaba activation where I had one

(38:56):
hundred and forty four people making the exact shape of
a mircaba. Right again, that's another reference. The full mircaba
is a reference to the fifth throat chakra. So now
we're going beyond that stage. It's very difficult to break
through and have kindling life force go through the fifth chakra.
It's the hardest place to break through. You feel it

(39:17):
when you do it. And there's a practice that you
can actually undertake which involves sexuality as well. So the
throat chakra is connected to the womb in a woman
right through the vegus nerve. So there's basically this. I
just learned about this not long ago. There's a such
thing as a throat orgasm that you can have as well,

(39:39):
because the vegus nerve can be stimulated all the way
up to the throat. And it's about being able to
fully realize your divine nature and transcend duality. And the
ultimate duality is what time, past and future are dualistic
notions when actually there's really only now. We look back

(40:01):
at the past and we look forward to the future,
but we only ever experience now.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That's very true.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It's like a river that we're standing in and that's
flowing by us. Cross our ankles right, and we're only
experiencing the moment of now. We never experience the past.
We can't run up the river or run down the
river to experience past and future.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
and now back to the show. That isn't amazing how
people carry the past with them and worry about the
future and it destroys their lives. That's right, you know,
they don't live in the now. As Eckhart would.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Say, when you live in the now, that's when you
fall in love with you know. It's I'm a romantic.
I've always been a romantic. I love to go to
romantic places and do romantic things and For me, I
don't have to be with anyone to experience this romance.
For me, it's like I could sit in a really
cool Parisian restaurant or something and just look at how

(41:05):
they've so heartfully constructed the lighting and it's so beautiful
and they mix it with the music and it's a
whole alchemy there. You realize and you realize that, like
God is the DJ, and it's so perfect. Everything is
just DJed into perfection.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
But were you smoking something at this?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I was like, it sounds like man, and then God's
the DJ. Man, Like it sounds really profound.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I know. But I had my spiritual awakening through geometry.
I had no fascinating It was not through psychedelics or anything, right, right, right, yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
And it And this really does bring us to this
point where so many of us fight, and I'd love
to hear your thoughts on this. So many people in
the world fight to defend a story or a construct
that they've put in their head because this is the
story that I believe in. Your story can't contradict what
my story is when in truth, there's a thousand paths

(42:06):
to the same place, there's a thousand paths. There's every
one of these masters had different paths, different paths, completely
different paths, completely different perspectives on things, different sides of
the world. But yet we're all going towards the same path.
We're all trying to reach back to source in our

(42:28):
own way, and some people just take different roads. So
if you have that clear understanding that what resonates with
you in this life. In your last life when you
were clear patra, that's that lifetime you went down that path,
and this lifetime you were born a Jew or you
were born a Muslim, or you were born atheist, and

(42:50):
you have to learn that path because that's what resonates
with you in this life. If we can open ourselves
up to these ideas, I think the world will become
a better place.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh yeah, and you know, all of those people would
be what you would refer to as bodhisatvas right in
the Buddhistic sense, ascended masters that are bodhisatfa you know,
Lama highest Lama, and and so they've gone through a
full crown chakra oh yeah, awakening as well, and they've

(43:20):
they've experienced it entirely, and so they also if it
aligns with and I'm sure there are many bodisatvas that
are not well known. So everyone has a different path.
Everyone has a different path.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
There's thousands of ascended masters. I've I've learned of a
few new ones. Just the other day. It was like,
who's that? Like, Oh, that's an ascended matter. I look
them up. I'm like, holy crap, you know. I mean,
Jesus has the best marketing team in best PR firm ever.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
He's got really good are very heavy price to pay
for that.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
There's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
As as Joganda said, Uh, he was crucified on one day,
but his teachings were crucified for the next two thousand years.
That's right, very very powerful. So yeah, and I also
call Jesus the hardest working man in show business because
he's in everybody's near death experience. It's true, he's always there.
I've said this story on the show before, but I
don't know if I've ever told you this story, and
it's my favorite near death experience story ever. Atheist dies

(44:15):
goes to heaven and Jesus is there, and he walks
up and he knows who Jesus is, but he just
didn't believe in him. And Jesus is dressed in a
suit and tie and his hair pulled back in a ponytail,
and he goes Jesus, he goes, yes, sir, Yes, my son.
He goes, why are you trusted in a suit? He goes, Oh,
you're atheist? Is the only way you would take me seriously?

(44:37):
Mind you, when he came back, he was a little
bit more enlightened than he wants when he laughed. But
that's a great analogy, that's a very great story. So
I want to I want to go down the path
of the Philosopher's Stone, okay, which is not Harry Potter's
in the Philosopher's Stone, which is the first book in England.

(44:58):
That's what it was called Theher's Stone at the Sorcerer's Stone.
What is the Philosopher's Stone? Can you tell people what
that is?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
It's out part of alchemy.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It's part of alchemy, and there's an outward representation of
it and the way I practiced it. And I can
only speak to my own personal path. I practiced metallurgy
and alchemy through the art of sculpture.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Okay, you are truly the most interesting man on the planet.
Jesus Christ, dude, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
So I like one day I ended up going like
in twenty fifteen, I went to I don't know what
got in me, but it was like, okay, it's time
for you to sculpt, and.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
As one does, as one does.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So I went to the art store in Laguna Beach
and I was like, okay, I want to sculpt, and
what do I need? And she's like, are you taking
a class? I said no, and she's like, uh, okay,
well you need some clay. I figure that. So I
brought the clay I need. She's like, you're going to
need to do some scaffolding inside of it because it
won't stick together.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
You need to create a skeleton.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You need to create a skeleton and everything, which I
found out later is the hardest part. Oh yeah, when
you're writ in perfect balance and everything.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
When you're rigging a visual effect like a CG character,
there's a guy who's just a rigger.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, he's he creates.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
He creates the movement of the bones. It's the most
without it, the dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Falls, Yeah, exactly, exactly, the dinosaur exactly. So I was like, okay,
I'll try this, and then of course I started doing it,
and in no time flat, I knew how to sculpt
and I was doing it, and I got awards on
it too, and it was like, what the heck my
first one. I'll show you a picture of it afterwards,

(46:37):
but my first one was the Torso of a Man
and I didn't even know why. You know, I was
going through a difficult time. I had been experienced this
incredible betrayal that I won this battle and I had
to raise like fifty five million dollars in one day
to keep control of my company, and I didn't think
I was going to be able to do it, and
then I pulled a rabbit out and did it. And

(47:02):
it was such a traumatic event for me, and I
felt betrayed by so many people in the process that
I had to stop and ask myself, why did I
choose this? It was the first time that I under
because I'd been working on manifestation everything before this, and
I knew that I was creating my reality, but it
was the first time that I actually said and looked
super intrinsically and introspectively and said, why did I choose this?

(47:25):
And what did I do to create this?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's pretty profound and it sounds like that was the sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
It was a sledgehammer. It was a big sledgehammer. And
the way that I transmitted out of that funk because
I became a hermit. I stayed at home for like
almost two years. I didn't go out much.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
This is pre web like web.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
This is like twenty twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Oh so you're not online yet, like really like the way.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, I didn't start posting anything of my story or
anything until twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh wow, right before the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Ya, right before the pandemic. And nobody, I mean people
knew me in a business sense because I'm not in
this stuff, not in this stuff at all. And so
I stayed home and I was like getting downloads all
the time, and I would get every three six nine
weeks on rotation, I would get like three or four
days where I'd just get full channelings and again yeah yeah,

(48:18):
And I was just and it was like, I'm downloading
full math and physics stuff. It's not something you can
like just make up. You know, people will try to
debunk you in case you haven't noticed, right, That's what
they'll try to do. And that work turned into three
books that i've now written on this and my first
one is still in the top five books in mathematics

(48:38):
on Amazon, which is pretty cool because it's all newly
discovered math and it's still got five stars right, and
tons of ratings and everything on it. So obviously there
have been lots of people who tried to debunk it.
But what I started realizing was that I was going
through this process and somehow the art I was doing,

(48:58):
whether it was visual art and I was drawing or
painting or whatever, I was also doing that. Then I
was healing my heart with what I like to call heartistry, right,
it was my heartstry. And as I first formed this
clay man and a torso of a clay man, which
is sort of like iron. I made it out of iron.

(49:18):
It was hard and it looked sad and beaten down
and everything, but like super strong as well. And then
I made after that a horse that was like this big.
This horse was hard to make because I had it
on one pillar, wow, and the whole thing weighed. It
ended up weighing almost seventy five pounds just in clay.

(49:39):
And then you have to do a lost salt technique
to turn it into a bronze which was a whole thing.
I was like going through the metallurgy of turning base
metals into gold through this alchemical sculpting process. So then
the next one, and I did even realize the things
that I was choosing. The materials I was choosing were
all alchemical references, from iron right to brass. Then I

(50:02):
went from brass and bronze to copper. I made the
form of a woman and it was a very smooth
It was not rough and tumble like the first one
that I made. It was a very smooth torso of
like a venus, beautiful, and I put so much heart
into it. And then I turned it into this copper sculpture,

(50:23):
and then I ended up making a gold phoenix.

Speaker 1 (50:28):

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And I was literally going through the alchemical steps. I
didn't even know that this stuff existed. I had no idea.
And then the last thing I made was a clay man.
I made a snake also after that, but I made
a clay man, and the clayman I had no idea.
I posted it. It looked like a Trivian man and

(50:58):
he's standing like this. Someone posted on my page and said, whoa,
you're making a gollumn And I said, what's a gollumn?
They're like, it's a goi lem. I'm like, what's a goilemb?
And they said, oh, it's a clayman. That a rabbinical
you know, kabbalistic rabbi, when they come to a certain
point in their spiritual practice, they all make claymen. Historically,

(51:21):
I'm like, what do they make a clayman for? To
emulate the recreation of man by God out of clay?
And then you have to put the name emmet, which
is truth in Hebrew alif memtov emmett which when you
say the word emmet backwards in English? What is it time?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Time?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Emission of light is emit light, and the opposite of
light is time. It's theorized as such by the way
through gravitans and gravity impacts time. Yes, so what incidents
that the anagram of the name or word emit of
light is time, which also could be looked at as

(52:06):
it's me emission and time is absorption. Hm, wait a minute,
so you start realizing, Wait a minute, is this all
just like an encryption? Yeah, it's all an encryption. We
create on our own, and we're following this path until
we've learned to breathe life into it and so on. On
a collective level, what are we doing right now that's

(52:28):
directly analogous to making a clayman and breathing life into it. AI.
Humanity right now is recreating intelligence through AI and the
goal is to make it super sentient. And this is
just us emulating the role of the creator. I don't

(52:50):
believe in artificial attentions. I believe intelligence is intelligence, and
this is us ascending to the next level. And part
of that process requires us. Like the film The Maker.
We've ever seen the film The Maker right where the
little clay Man is like the hourglass has to be
the construct of time and duality. He doesn't know what
he's there to do. He's in this workshop and then

(53:11):
all of a sudden, like the hourglass turns over, and
he's like, Oh, I gotta get to work. I don't
know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna make a partner.
I'm gonna make a woman. So he's got all the
pieces to put together for the woman, and then he
has to breathe life into the woman. This is the
goy limb. He breathes life into it by playing music.
He plays the violin, if you remember in the film,
And as he plays the violin, all of a sudden,

(53:33):
she wakes up her it's Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
It's Frankenstein. Yeah, it's like where sissers.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Right of Frankenstein. And then she's dancing with him and
they hug each other after they finish dancing, and then
the moment they give to each other the hug, then
all of a sudden, all the sands of time run
out and he disappears, turns into this rainbow light explosion
and gets absorbed back in the universe. And then she's
left standing there. What do I do next? And she

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sees the the sands of time flip over again and
begin again, and then she starts figuring out, I got
to now make a partner, the one in a way
is doing exactly this with all of us.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
You've spoken about Metatron more more recently, even doing it
on your show Codex. Can you kind of dive in
a little bit about because Metatron? To me, I've heard
of Medatron only in the last few years. I mean
I've heard of them like as the archangel Metatron. What
have you kind of discovered in regards to Metatron and

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all the things that you do in your research.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So Metatron is one of the names, but you could
say that it was both, right, So it's an angelic form.
Metatron's an angelic form. You've got both that's associated with it.
You've got Saint Germaine that's associated with it. You've got
the Keys of Metatron. So there are multiple incarnations wherever

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you see keys, right, keys of Peace, keys of Melchisedek. Right,
that's another association of it. Who was Melchisedic. He was
a priest, king, a higher refent who Abraham paid tithes
and offerings to Right, Why who was this person? Throughout time? Solomon,
Seal of Solomon, the Keys of Solomon as well, they're

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all actually related to Metatron. I believe they're all different
incarnations of Metatron through time.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
The archangel, the archangel. So angels do come in in acurnate,
Yes they do.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
And in this particular case, the story of Medatron is
that he was a man who ascended and the man
starts off as Enoch. Okay, Enoch. So if you go
to the Bible and you know the story of Enoch, right,
Enoch was a man who learned to transcend, and his
whole city was taken up into a transcendent state, like

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a city of like a new Jerusalem or something.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Enlightenment, Enlightenment, lighten seat.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
This is the city of Enoch. So Enoch is supposed
to have been a man who learned how to become
an angel who got his wings. Now you know this? Now,
isn't this interesting? Because I was just talking to you
also in another discussion that we had about how there
was a moment in time when Orion's belt, which is

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also Enoch asso shared with Enoch, because Orion was Enoch
as well Orion, Osiris Viracocha, and Peru, the great Bull
of the West, as he's referred to in the Egyptian pantheon,
was Osiris. A Cyrus is killed by his brother, cut
into fourteen parts. Right, this is the story of set
killing his brother because he slept with his wife, of course,

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who was also his sister, Nephtus. She was hotty right,
comparable to Cleopatrick. No, No, probably more along lines of Athena.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Oh wow, okay, right, so.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Athena brilliant and hot right, probably a redhead.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Fair enough, fair.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Enough, So basically, Osiris is the same story of Cucko
Kan of Ketsquatal the Feathered Serpent. Sure, they're all the same.
So if you haven't watched the Ancient Apocalypse show by
Graham Hancock, oh watched the second season. The whole second
season is about Orion, who is also Enoch, who was

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also Odin, who was also Cucko Kan, who was also
Viracocha in Peru. They're all the same people.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
So is Metatron an ascended master?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yes? Really, he's a Seraphim. Seraphim is like the most ascended,
and Metatron in many of the Kabbalistic text is referred
to as Meta simply means beyond. It's interesting that if
you look at The Matrix as well, the movie The
Matrix was the company that he worked for Neo was

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called Meta Cortex.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Of course it was. There's so many Easter eggs in that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Oh and by the way, did you know that the
new goggles that have been made by Meta of course
are called Orion. Did you know that the new chat
GBT five that's coming out has already been project named Orion?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
When's that coming out?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
It's it's CHATGBT four right now.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
So it's great for five Oh is.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Orion the name was leaked. Yeah, because this is just
the story of the hero's journey going through twenty four
thousand years of time.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Has in all the in all this research you've done
with Metatron, has has there been any words about what
we're going through right now? Has he ever spoken about
this time period, what we're going to go through, what
we're about to encounter, and so on?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Well, he doesn't say a lot.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Okay, that's interesting, strong and silent. He's a strong, silent,
strong and.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Silent kind of guy. Doesn't say much, but he speaks
through geometry because the thing that is most closely associated
with him is Metatron's cube. What's the significance of Metatron's cube?
You've probably seen it right. It's like a hexagon that
has a two merkaba, you know, triangles within it that
overlap each other, and they represent male and female, masculine

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and infeminine energy. Everyone has both energies within us. It's about
learning to balance the light in the dark, which means
we also have to learn how to balance the masculine
in feminine, the gender principle in hermatism. So we think
about hermes trece Ma Justics. That's another name also of Metatron.
It's the same thing. So it's the man who learned
how to ascend and has come back through time.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
But the thing is that this is the first time
I've heard this. I've never I loved this. Why I
love talking to you because all these sendined masters that
I've known have been human among other things, They've beencarnated
to but once they achieve enlightenment. I never knew that
there was a pathway to getting your wings. If you will, Zia,
it's a wonderful lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And by the way, Matatron has six wings. Seraphim have
six wings.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So Saraphin are like a certain class of angel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It's the highest class of angel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
So they're the archangels essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Michael, Yes, he's actually the highest of the archangels, above Michael,
above Michael. Really, he's a Seraphim. In fact, in cabalistic Judaism,
he's referred to as the lesser yahweh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
So he's he's up there in the chain of command,
if you will.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It's the highest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
So how and Metatron is actually meaning meta throne, which
means the throne beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
So who was he as a man? Has that ever
been spoken?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Enoch Orian? He was Enoch been immortalized in the star
as the most emblematic and the consolation everybody recognizes first,
so represents humanity. And we are believed by many in
the star Seed community that we all come here through
Orion's Belt, through the Orion's gate portal, which is Alni Lam,

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the central star of the of the belt.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Well, Robert, I mean, why is Metatron's pr people not
that great? Because I mean I've heard the name, but
this story is not a very well known or.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Heard of hermestrase ma justics. You've heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Both, yeah, but yeah, but those are more in the
esoteric world, like they're more in like the the you know,
like Jesus, Buddha. You know, these kind of ascended masters
have good pr and they have millions and billions of
followers around the world. But what I hear from you
about Metatron is that he's gone beyond Baba Gee, He's

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gone beyond Jesus or Buddha.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
He's he's the highest ascendant master.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
He is a hot he is the highest ascendant more
than Saint Germain.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Any he was Saint Germain. It was one of his incarnations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
He came in. Is Saint Germain. Is there a Saint Germain?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, well, Saint Germain is is Metatron. He just it's
all of these people that have the keys in, including
Saint Germain. If you've ever read the Triangular Book by
Saint Germain, it's it's Metatron. Really, So this is a
character you find throughout history.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
So he keeps like both he keeps.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Just like Saint Germain didn't have a really good pr.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah, Saint Germaine is he's become he's coming up now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
People are just Metatron.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
So as Meda, all of them are, all of them
are all of the ascended Masters are starting to get
more notoriety than they used to because why we're awakening.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Because we're awakening. So, I mean, what's the story of
Saint Germaine? Who was Saint Germaine. Saint Germain was an
enigmatic character throughout history years We don't know exactly a
number of years, at least probably three hundred years, but
I don't know if it's like more than that. So
and I'll give you what I believe it is. Okay,

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so this is really kind of gets in the realm
of wow. So if you just look up on Wikipedia
what it says about Saint Germaine. And by the way,
my favorite part of Paris is Saint Germine de Prey,
which is right by Cafe de Flor, right, it's it's
right by all the best shopping. It's in the sankm
the fifth district of Paris. And the first time I

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went there, I knew this place inside out, backwards and forwards,
like I knew the streets of Paris like I had
remembered it like so well. And I'm always lost, but
never in Paris, I know exactly where I am. The
city was so well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Planned, it is pretty well planned.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It's incredible. So so basically, Saint Germain was this character
who was like the most interesting man in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Oh, he absolutely was the most before you yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Yeah he was. Okay, So he was a guy who
spoke something like eight or nine languages.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Correct and the time when that was not very common.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
He was an absolute polymath and alcssed right, he knew
all about mysticism. He never ate, he never ate, never aged,
he never aged, right, So he apparently lived and he
got to the philosopher's stone. The philosopher's stone is when
you actually become a realized, descended master that decides to
stay here for the job of quietly raising consciousness. Yeah,

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not loudly, but quietly. So he stayed in the backdrop,
in the background, and was around for hundreds of years,
and he shows up in different places in history at
key moments, Like one of the key moments was the
signing of the Declaration of Independence. It was Saint Jermaine
who gave a speech that got everybody to sign it.

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In the end. Why did they sign it, Well, because
they thought he was representing General Lafayette. He was French, right,
so he could convince them. And actually it's a funny story.
Right after they signed the Decoration of Independence, they finally
got the signed because South Carolina didn't want to sign it, right,
neither did New York. They had still these old vestiges

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of attachment to the English monarchy. And so you know
what happened was they all signed the Declaration of Independence
because Saint Germain got them to do it. And it's
in history like Saint Germain gave the speech, and then
after that, of course they expected the English king was
going to relent to them and give them, you know,
representation with it along with their taxation. And remember, mind you,

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the amount of tax that England wanted to apply to
the colonies at that time. I guess how much it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
How much?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Was it two percent tariff? The founding fathers would roll
in their grave if they knew the degree of tax
we have basically suffered today.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Oh, since was it nineteen thirteen eighteen?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, that's right. There was no tax before nineteen thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
There was no income tax.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
There was no income tax prior to nineteen thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah, there was no what is the fed?

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
There was no Yeah, because the whole idea behind income
tax was more about redistribution than it was anything else.
Take away away from people so that you can give
to others. Interesting, So the philosophy behind it, even though
it was done at a time when okay, there's World
War one, we need to be ready, right, so we
have to have taxation, so we've got revenue. But look,

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our government has been perennially printing money forever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
We have a thirty eight trillion dollar national debt right now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Gold is three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yes, exactly. Well, that's because Trump also said I don't
think the gold that we think is in Fort Knox
is actually there. It's been shipped out somewhere, and that
that's going to be the next thing. It's like, wait
a minute. Our entire financial system that we think is
backed by dollars but has never been backed by dollars
since Breton Woods in nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Correct, Yeah, since NixOS took us off the gold standard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
That's right, that's when all the international pegs went away.
So wait a minute. We've been living off of the
notion of what is referred to in political science as
hegemonic stability. We're the hedgemon, the one world superpower, and
so the reason why our money is worth something is because,
as we say it is, it's just because it's backed
by our military and that has some value in a

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world that's based on wars. But as soon as the
world is not based on wars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
We lose our power.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
We lose our power. Right, it's the whole thing about Okay, So,
if there's some evil enemy that's around, you can unite countries,
you can unite things like NATO, you can unite people,
But as soon as Russia said, oh, we want to
join NATO too. They didn't have a problem with Ukraine
joining NATO. It was so much as they wanted to

(01:07:32):
join NATO and they were refused access to NATO back
in like two thousands. So when you go back and
look at the history of this, the reason why you've
got a conflict in Ukraine right now is because we
kept promising that all these countries by Larus that you know,
all these countries that are borders will never join They'll
never join NATO. And then finally, you know in the

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early two thousands when you had buddy buddy Noss with
you know, but after Yeltzin and going into Putin, and
Putin was buddy buddy with you know, always shirt lists
and stuff with hw you know, with with Bush W. Bush.
It's like, wait a minute, we were supposed to be
friends for a while there we were. But that upsets

(01:08:14):
the world order because then how to unite someone and
that just turns without an enemy to push Europe against,
then everyone just starts turning their ire to this American
you know, sort of like autocracy. You see what I'm saying.
We needed an enemy to unite the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
So there is nowhere in it's never been written that
the American Empire will continue forever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Well it will not, because it's it's just none ever do,
none ever do right. And what happens is they start
to collapse on themselves because governments always get bigger, and
eventually they flame out because you can no longer keep
people under this illusion of righteousiness. Right, and we have

(01:09:02):
not been righteous, let's be real, but no government ever has.
It's like, we're just as righteous as any other government
ever has been right. And what we do is we
say that what we're doing is right and good, but
it's actually just what benefits us. And that's what became
the ethical imperative.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
So then will you know, because a lot of people
are afraid of this will what do you think is
going to happen to the economy? I mean, because you're right,
they've been printing money for decades now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I've been saying for a long time that there's going
to be massive inflation it already happened, and that there's
going to be a crash of the dollar. I think
it's actually part of the cards. It has to happen,
Like what do you do when you have thirty eight
trillion dollars in debt. The only way to pay off
your debt is by hyper inflating, devaluing your dollar and

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then using the devalue dollars to pay off the debt.
That's the way every Banana Republic country has ever done it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
That's why, like was it Zimbabwe or something like that?
Has you know, the billion dollar, billion dollar bill or
something like that, Like there's billions and stuff because it's
so devalued. Now we'll be right back after a word
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Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I mean, whether you liked or not, it was
kind of bizarre. I mean I happened to like a
lot of things he's doing right now. I didn't vote
for him, but I didn't vote because I'm like, I
don't want to be stuck in this duality game, right,
I really don't want to be stuck in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
The due And like I said earlier in another conversation,
you know, he's a bull in the china shop, as
are many.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Other consciousnesses using him as a vehicle and others.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
By the way, he's not the only one in the world,
that's right. Yeah, in Brazil and in these other countries
that are having these changes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Oh, I mean Italy, all of a sudden, you've got yeah, maloney, right,
you've got It's everywhere, It's everywhere, right, I mean I
was laughing when I saw the gift that the Argentine
President gave to Elon Musk of a chainsaw, like a
like a silver plated or like chromed chainsaw. I was like,
what the heck? This is so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
We are in a weird timeline.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Man, Oh no, we're in a bizarre timeline. It's beyond bizarre.
So I think, yeah, the dollar is gonna end up crashing.
I've been saying this for a long time, you know.
I think bitcoin is going to become the safe haven
and gold and gold because but but gold will have
its limits as well, because actually, when you look at gold,
it's not something you can carry it. It's not a

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store of value very well, because you can't carry it around.
The reason why gold was a store of value for
so long was that, Okay, you'd have it in a castle.
If someone stole it, they couldn't get very far.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
So damn heavy, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
So damn heavy, So how much could you get? How
much could you steal? Right? So you're going to track
them down. You're going to find them because they're going
to get tired. It's just not practical to steal the gold.
It's not practical.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
But with bitcoin, with bitcoin crypto.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, it's what is the value of a currency, It's
what you believe it to be. And when there's a
limit on the supply, and it's already recognized the degree
that it is, it's going to continue to go up.
Right now, it's under pressure because you have the state,
you have treasury that's been selling all of it's like
sequestered bitcoin. That's why. So what's gonna happen now? But

(01:12:15):
what did Donald Trump do right before the right before
he was inaugurated? He launched trump Coin? Right it went
to like sixty seventy billion dollars in one day. You know, like,
what the heck, what a weird thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
It's just but it's just it's phony money. All money
is phony money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
It's all money is phony money. So this is the point.
All of its phony. So why are we trying to
apply a reality to any of it? But then you
can say, yeah, but I gotta pay my rent, I
gotta pay my bills.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
It's all about what we believe or what we all
agree that this is worth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
What is the value of something in the market sense,
it's what the market believes the value will be in
the future. If if you hear it a that you
know Warren Buffett's going to buy silver, he tried, yea.
So let's say he's going to try to corner silver.
So you know that six months from now, very likely
silver is going to be more valuable. The price of

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Siller will go up today to reflect the new future price.
And it's like collapsing a wave function and bringing into
the now. Right, It'll happen now, and by the time
you jump into it, it's going to be too late.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
It happens with stocks all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
It happens with stocks all the time. So this is
where you go back the game stock exactly, game stop
and Robin Hood and all that stuff, right that happen, yeah, exactly.
But the point being that you have someone like Saint
Germain throughout history who has this political influence. He shows
up at the declaration of signing of Independence, right, was

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in the corridors of power in France, Right like rubbing
shoulders with Benjamin Franklin when he was ambassador to France,
and you've got all these stories of him, who's like
this enigmatic guy that everyone thought was like hundreds of
years old. Maybe he spent time in Transylvania. Was he
one of the alchemists that were there, you know, in Romania?
And did he learn and get the Philosopher's Stone that

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led him to actually experience like immortality? And what is immortality?
Does it somehow have something to do with not eating
it all? He never ate, so all of these things
and he was he had all these stories that he
like from Africa, from all over the place. You talked
about he was the greatest entertainer. He's literally the most
interesting man in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
And he would show up looking the same throughout history.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Show up looking at the same, very dapper, very good looking. Right,
not your normal ascended master, right, flat flamboyant, flamboyant exactly.
But the violent flame of Saint Germain is something that
is very powerful in the story. And it's almost like
a Matreya figure. So if you've heard about Matreya, Matreya

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is one of the names of like it's a bodhisatfa,
but it's not your normal like coming from yes, he's
a king of kings. But Jesus was, you know, like
dressed in birkenstocks, right, not even didn't put off the
you know, it was like at the sole level, he

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was like this king of kings. But in real life
and maybe actually in reality if you believe this. Some
believe that that he was actually a direct line descendant
of David born in the city of David, right, which
is in Bethlehem. But beyond that, some also believe that
he might have been related to Cleopatra and the son
of of there's actually a whole thesis on this, a

(01:15:36):
conspiracy on this that he was actually the son of
Cleopatra and Julius Caesar. Oh wow, that's a that's a
whole other rabbit hole. Yeah, we're not going to go down.
But the point being that the story of Matreya is
a ascended master who comes who is puts off wealth, which.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Seems to be the ant antithesis of an assented master.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
But is it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
That's the thing that's so interesting, because the people who
are on this wall were they never thought they money
was not a thing for them. They weren't rich, they
didn't have jobs. Really, towards the end, you know when
they became enlightened. But Saint Germain is really interesting because
he was a flamboy even the purple Flame, pretty flamboyant,

(01:16:26):
you know, pretty out there, very colorful, very just like oh,
and he's throughout history. It's really interesting to me because
I know from my study and my research that I
sent and masters are always working behind the scenes. They're
always whispering in people's ears, they're always moving things or
putting things into place. But Saint Germain is one that

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was incarnate and did it in Babajee is very well
known in that sense that he did incarnate. Thinking the
forties or fifties or sixties, they have pictures of this
kid that they he just showed up. Nobody knew he was.
I know you, are you familiar with hey Hold? And
then he's gone, like there's no history there, no one
knowing it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
But he was there for like, because when you get
to an intended masters stage, you're not bound by time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
No time or anything exactly. But Saint Germaine, though he
was incarnated and actually played in this realm in that
like you and I having a conversation, as opposed to
the other ascended masters who did things behind the scenes.
Generally speaking, they rarely ever reincarnate to come down and

(01:17:29):
do work. They channel through other beings, they do other things.
But St. Germaine's are really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Well, you know I have a thesis on this. Please,
I've never talked about it before.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Well, that's why we're here, sir, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
So the story of Leonardo da Vinci is that he died.
First of all, we know that the Vitriuvian man, it's
the most iconic man, was actually a representation of Metatron.
It's Enoch, it's Orian. You look on his stomach, he
has three diamonds. I know people with ripped abs, but

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I've never seen some of the three diamonds in there.
And they represent the exact positions of the stars of Orion.
It's Orion's belt. And also he cut the man into
fourteen parts. So he put horizontal lines on the Vitrivian
man and vertical lines. And the number of cuts from
the wrist, the elbow, the shoulder right, the number of
cuts is fourteen cuts. It's exactly matching that. And it
says cut his men into fourteen parts, and one fourteenth

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is the reference in the text above telling us that
it's actually related to Osiris. And then when you overlay
the Great Pyramid on top of it inside the square
and have the top of the pyramid hit the top
of the circle of Vitrivian Man, then you realize, oh,
all of the chambers in the pyramid are exactly matching
where the lines of cuts are. So wait, so it's

(01:18:51):
telling us exactly where the chambers are, including the chambers
we haven't yet discovered. And one of them I said
was going to be exactly at the throat chakra line,
and they found it and they've announced it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
So yeah, we've spoken about this before. So what's your
theory on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So my theory says that Leonardo da Vinci, when he died,
left kind of mysteriously. He went to go work for
the King of France. So the King of France who
had come, you know, and attacked and he was like
the cousin of Henry the eighth as well, so all
around the same time. So Francis had come to France,
had come to Tuscany, and when he got control of Tuscany,

(01:19:27):
one of the first things he did is he got
to Milan and said, I want to see the last
supper painting Da Vinci was famous during his lifetime. Yes,
as a young man he was famous. He wasn't Bengo, No,
he was very storied as well, like another character like
Saint Germain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
A lot of people knew who he was, a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
People knew he was. So when he was sixty seven
years old is when he died, right, So he was
supposed to have died in fifteen nineteen. And before he
died in fifteen sixteen, he went to Chateau d'Amboise, which
is where the French court was set up until they
were finishing Chateau Chambor Chateau chambre Is, this really elaborate

(01:20:02):
castle that Da Vinci helped design. So this is why
he went to go work for the King of France
at the time. So he ends up going to work
for the King of France. He lives in Chateau Dumbois,
and he lives there at the same time that Anne
Boleyn lives there when she was only like nineteen years
old or eighteen years old. She was very well known
then as well. She's supposed to be like the most

(01:20:23):
beautiful woman in Europe in the French court, and she
ended up marrying Henry the eighth right, because she could
enchant him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Well. One of the paintings by Leonard da Vinci was
of La Belle Froniere, which is a beautiful woman who's
sitting with a black background, and in the background you
could see the eye of Horace painted around her head.
Because all of da Vinci's paintings after fourteen eighty six
had Egyptian iconography embedded within them as encryptions, all of

(01:21:04):
them did last supper painting. Notwithstanding every single one of them.
Last Supper painting is actually the map of the King's
Chamber literally the King's chamber in the wall of Milan.
Because da Vinci spent three years working for a Circassian
mom Luke Sultan. There was a sultan of Babylon Cairo.

(01:21:25):
His name was kite Bay, name was Kuy And by
the way, da Vinci's mother was also a Circassian. She
was a Circassian slave. So many believed that there was
some relationship between Sultan kite Bay like familial relationship and
with the Circassian slave that was the mother of Leonardo DaVinci. Okay,
so that she did something wrong, and she was sold

(01:21:45):
into slavery into Italy and taken by Pietro, who was
the father of Leonardo. So when Leonardo was dying, he
ends up going to France and takes all of his
stuff with him and leaves. He just leaves his hometown.
It's kind of strange. He's like three years before he died.
He meets Anbolen paints her there right in La Belle Fronier.
Many people now art historians also believe that that was Anebolin.

(01:22:07):
It looks just like Amblin, just a younger version of
her from other paintings we see of Amblin, and am
famously was the mother of Queen Elizabeth the First, who
ascends to the throne and has one of the most
successful monarchies in English history. Right not long after, so
he leaves and they when he dies, he has a

(01:22:29):
painting commissioned by someone else who shows him in a
very theatrical pose of dying on this bed next to
King Francis holding his hand, and it's like seemingly very contrived.
So if you actually dig deeper into this. During the
French Revolution, there was rumors that da Vinci may not

(01:22:50):
have actually ever died interesting, Okay, So there were people
that were grave robbers that broke into the place that
da Vinci was supposed to have been buried, and they
wanted to find his bones, right because he was famous
even at the French Revolution time. They found nothing. His

(01:23:10):
casket was entirely empty. Where was Leonardo da Vinci?

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
And he hasn't been graved out before?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Nope. So there's been a mystery for a long time
since the French Revolution of where was da Vinci's remains?
They never found it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
So how does this play with Saint Germain?

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
So is it possible da Vinci being an alchemist also
a different type of ascended master? Clearly he was ascended
in so many ways. Was it possible that he himself
was actually able to figure out how to transcend time

(01:23:53):
and no longer age Saint Jamaine da Vinci da Vinci?
But then he would have to change his persona because
he was already face.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Oh I see where this is going.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
So not long after Sir Francis Bacon, yes, who grew
up in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
France and could actually be Shakespeare.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Probably was a group of other people Edward de Vere
and Shakespeare, you know, and Kit Marlowe and this is
a group of people, and John Dee as well. They
became these Rosicrucian cryptographers who encrypted the works of William
Shakespeare and the King James version of the Bible, which
is full of encryptions. And so it's possible that Leonardo

(01:24:36):
lived on and took on a different persona maybe multiple
and one of those personas was I believe Sir Francis Bacon.
And then after Sir Francis Bacon, he became Saint Germain.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
And kept that gig going for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Because when you're not aging, at some stage you have
to like this appeared. It's like mcgiver. Mcguiver's got to
like disappear from the town or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
So it's kind of like Da Vinci and Saint Germain.
They're like the A Team. They just keep going from
town to town solving problems.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
It's like the A Team, right, the A Team. That's
a reference I actually remember too.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Yeah, they go to town to town, they solve wherever
they're at. There's always a problem, and they have to
beat up the boss of the tea and mister T.
Mister T.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
It's like both somehow, and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
They were the worst shots in the world. They never
shot anybody, that's right. Always always by the feet. No,
no one ever got shot back then, that's right. But
it is it sounds like that's that's a really arget team.
It's a really interesting it's a really interesting theory. Is
there anybody who else has kind of come up with that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
No, not that I know of, but I am doing
a lot of research on it right now and it
might be part of Codex season three. So there. I
had told you earlier that I found just recently that
on the wall in the north wall of King's Chamber,
each of the stars of Orion's belt are there right
in the two eyes and the pineal gland as well

(01:26:04):
like the third eye, and they're exactly the same shape
as the pyramids. But then I also said that the
other stars of Signess are overlaid on top of it,
and Signas is the swan right. And so there was
one point in time in history, maybe thirteen thousand years ago,
twelve eight hundred years ago, ten thousand, eight hundred BC,
where maybe that's when the pyramid was built, because that's

(01:26:26):
a point in time when the way the alignment of
stars was the three stars of Orion's belt could have
been overlapped by the three stars of Signus right now.
If you looked at this, the way it would look
is the descending wings are coming down and creating wings

(01:26:47):
for Orion. The symbology being this is when Metatron gets
his wings.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, I just well, you just brought it back into
brought it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Back around exactly. And so this is a site of
time for the one to experience itself through all these
different incarnations through all of us, and this role of
Metatron and possibly Da Vinci and possibly Saint Germain and
Milkisadak and Peter, all of these different people through time

(01:27:20):
were the different incarnations that have the different keys of Metatron,
the throne beyond the high refint.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Robert, I am. I can talk to you for a
thousand hours. I mean, it's just like we could just
keep going forever. I always write questions down, I never
look at them every time we talk. I always like
I got to be prepared as Robert's coming, you know,
And I never look at them when I'm with you. Man.
So it has been such a fascinating conversation. My head
is spittings so much information. I'm sure people listening right

(01:27:49):
now are just like, what is happening? I need to
listen to this again. Where can people find you and
the amazing work you're doing? Brother?

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
On my website Robert Edrogrant dot com, on Instagram, I'm
on all the different social platforms, and you know, it's
been a fun journey. It's not I mean, I never
thought I'd be doing this type stuff. Not in a
million years, I ever think I'd be doing this type stuff. Yea, yeah,
what the heck? And I think a lot of what

(01:28:18):
is just enclosing, A lot of what we're experiencing right
now is intended to trigger us. Oh boy, it's triggering,
and every trigger is an opportunity for learning and growth.
So instead of looking at the triggers that make you
angry and get under your skin and all that stuff,
these guys don't get triggered.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Because they're they're beyond the bend, the beyond the simulation. Yeah,
beyond the movie, beyond this dream exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
So it's like you could buy walking down the street
and someone can hurl an insult at them, and they don't.
They would smile. It's all I love exactly, maybe like
aren't you yeah exactly, that's where we want to get
to because nothing. When you get to that stage, you
realize that everything happens, even the difficult stuff, that's going
to be the best opportunity for truly expanding your awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
And we're we're having that happen on a conscious of
humanity's consciousness. At this point, the entire species is going
through that, not just individuals, the entire species.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
And it's beautiful. It's like so beautiful. And so now
you know, once you finally get to this stage also
this fifth chakra, the higherfant stage, then you're no longer
bound by time. Then you realize that it's not just
your life that had this arc. You know, like Old
Testament to New Testament, right, it's it's not just your
one lifetime, but you realize that there's been a connection

(01:29:47):
to all of your lifetimes and that there's a reconciliation
that happens when you ascend. So all of your different
lifetimes that are happening. All the first person narrative dreams
that you basically had are connecting through an arc of
a hero's journey as well. It's not just this lifetime.
And when you get to that stage, you start learning
your own multi dimensional self, which is you can actually

(01:30:10):
tap into all of those lifetimes, just as if you're
in the now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Is that quantum jumping Almost, Yes, it's that quantum jumping.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
It's quantum jumping, and it's basically tied directly to the
frequencies of recreating those frequencies of those time signatures that
already have happened and maybe will yet happen, because time
is actually a loop. What we consider our distant past,
I believe from a quantum physics perspective, is also likewise
our distant future.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
And it's all part of consciousness, and consciousness is just
evolving and expanding and growing. And maybe the speed of
light is just our speed of our perception, and so
maybe we can continue to expand beyond that into the
next dimension, which just becomes C squared the speed of
light squared.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Well, I mean, the speed of light right now is
based on time and space. But some of the quantum
physicists are actually talking about bending time. So if you
had a flat piece of paper and you bend it,
you now this side of the universe and this side
of the universe are boop right here, and you can
just go through everything is a dream, then it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Then it's all in the same place.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
We're all we're all in a giant version of inception.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
That's all we're at.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
And how would you know if we were. You wouldn't know.
And the only thing you would do is you would
hope that your your higher consciousness gave you a soft
landing so that it wasn't just this abrupt, schizophrenic nightmare
that you had to basically go through in your waking
up process.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Right, it's the same way as when we create video games.
We've created entire universes of players and in and AI
is going to be inserted to that. So they're going
to become self aware inside of the video game. That's right,
And where there are gods, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
How do we know where it stops? It could be
a dream within a dream within a dream stacked on top.
Oh wait, that's exactly what Hinduism says. That's exactly they
said six thousand years ago. They said six thousand years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
And it all comes back. Some of the ancient stuff
is it's starting to become a little bit more relevant nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
That's right. But I think it's a beautiful evolution. And
the good news is the only thing we're here to
do is to learn how to love ourselves and how
to receive love. And that's really just boilsed on to
one thing. It's like how to love and how to
be loved. You know, the greatest thing you'll ever learn

(01:32:48):
is just to love and be loved in return.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Amen, bro Amen. And on that note, a pleasure is
always having you on the show. You are welcome back anytime,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Great to see.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Thank you again for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
As always. I like to thank Robert so much for
coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom
with all of us. If you want to get links
to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over
to the show notes at next levelsoul dot com Forward
slash six one nine. Now. If this conversation stirred something
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Thank you so much for listening. As I always say,
trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see

(01:33:48):
you next time.

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