NLS 621: 2025–2027: ASTROLOGICAL SHIFTS Reveal Next PHASE of Humanity's RAPID EVOLUTION! with Pam Gregory

Pam Gregory discusses the significance of the current astrological period, emphasizing the importance of individual choices and frequency in shaping humanity's future. She highlights a unique astrological configuration involving Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, and Sedna, which she believes will lead to a new human by 2027. Pam also touches on the impact of AI, noting Pluto's influence in Aquarius and Uranus in Gemini, and the potential for technological advancements. She stresses the need for humanity to focus on love and unity to navigate these changes positively, advocating for a love revolution and a shift towards a higher state of consciousness.

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podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now today on
the show, we welcome back one of my favorite astrologers,
Pam Gregory, and we talk about the rapid evolution that
humanity is going to be going through according to the

(01:49):
stars between twenty twenty five and twenty twenty seven. The
details are not what you think they are, so let's
dive in. I'd like to welcome back to the show
returning champion, Pam Gregory. How you doing, Bam?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, really well, great to connect with you again, Alex.
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Thank you so much for coming back. It was our
last conversation. A few people watched our last conversation. They
really seem to enjoy our interaction and your take on
astrology and what's happening in the world, and all of
that is such a it's it's beautiful, it's hopeful, it's real,
it's raw, it's truthful, it's all of it because it's

(02:32):
what it is. It's kind of like, you know, people
always like to label things good or bad, but the
ocean it's neither good nor bad. It's just is. It
can't create amazing things, and it could also create negative things.
That's nature. That's the universe, and astrology is no different.
It's just like, hey man, it's kind of what's happening.

(02:54):
Whether you like it or not, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's a language. It's just a language, you know. It's
not a belief. It's not a religion, it's not a philosophy.
It's a language. So when people say to me, you
don't really believe in astrology, do you, I say, well,
that's not saying you don't believe in French, do you, right?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And it's it's almost a science essentially. It's it's something
that is couldn't be repeatable again and again and again
and since I've had the pleasure of speaking to multiple
astrologers for multiple kind of vintages, if you will, meaning
like the different paths. You know you come from one
path I had a Vedic astrologer on I had you know,

(03:33):
all this it all is the same. That's what I
found so fascinating. Every one of them said, oh, yeah,
that's we're just flavoring it differently. But it's all the
same stars, it's all the same information. It's just a
different approach to the exact same thing, Isn't that Is
that true in your opinion?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
It is absolutely. I mean, the Vedic system is really
based on the stars, and the Tropical Western system which
I use, is based on the seasons. It's anchored into
the seasons. And so that's what I practice and have done,
you know, for a very long time. I mean that
they're all accurate, otherwise I would have given up as
a bad job quite some decades. Yeah, so that you know,

(04:12):
they're all accurate. But essentially, whether it's Vader called Tropical Western,
you're using the same mythology essentially, and you're using the
same geometry right exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And even the ancients, ancient Greeks, the Mayans, some of
the you know, some of the Mayans are some of
the greatest astrologers of all.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
They had they had observatories on the top of their pyramids,
and we.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Found I found when I was in in the Yukatan,
when I went to go see China. I kept asking
this tour guide what are those circles on the ground,
and they go, oh, that's where they would fill it
with water so they could see the sky because they
didn't have mirrors at the time, and instead of having
this all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Brilliant.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. I remember visiting Cheats and Eats
and some of the other Mexican sites when I was
nineteen years old on a local bus with all the
Mexican you know, with their chickens and hens and you know,
all kinds of things that you didn't even have to
buy a ticket. Then you just wandered in and wandered around.
It was really they were still kind of digging it

(05:18):
out of the jungle. I mean, it was a long
time ago, but it was just magical because there was
just nobody there. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
That must have been amazing, so you didn't have guys
trying to sell you trinkets and tourist trappy.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Things, just me and the Mexican peasants and farmers, and yeah,
it was fabulous. Actually, I loved it so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
So let me ask you which upcoming planetary alignments. Do
you see the most influential for humanity in this year?
Because things seemed to get going interesting. Definitely an interesting
time to be alive. It's colorful. You know. There is
a lot of and I don't make to make light
of it. There is a lot of wars and a

(05:59):
lot of things going on, a lot of pain, but
there is also a lot of optimism and a lot
of things and a lot of things shaking the world up.
Ai is one of those things that's just shaking the
entire planet up. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, there's a very I've been talking about this for
about the last year, Alex, because there's a very specific
and unique configuration in the heavens right now that astrolgiers believe,
well certainly nobody's contradicted me that it is completely unique,
and a part of it the Saturn Neptune conjunction, which
happens reliably every thirty six years, but it's currently at

(06:34):
zero of areas. That's the very first degree with the zodiac,
the creator degree. It's like pure potentiality. That bit of
the configuration hasn't happened. And I want to credit my
good friend Heather Ends with this. She discovered. It last
happened at zero of Ares in four three hundred and
sixty one BC, so it's almost six thousand years ago

(06:55):
that bit happened. But it's plugged into a couple of
other bits of geommere. I wonder if I've even got
a Yeah, let me show you. This is primitive. Okay,
this is primitive, but I'm just it's likely I heard this.
Can you see.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
That it's it's fairly it's fairly primitive.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, I love very primitive. Okay, but I was just
drawing it to explain it to somebody. So here you've
got the planet Pluto, which has a two hundred and
forty eight year cycle. Here you have the planet Uranus
with an eighty four year cycle, and also the dwarf
planet said with an eleven thousand, four hundred year cycle.
Down here you have Saturn Neptune. This is at zero varies,

(07:33):
so this is sixty degree angle geometrically sixty degrees exactly
at the midpoint of these two. So that's one hundred
and twenty degrees. So they all have different orbital periods. Okay,
So Saturn's twenty nine and a half years, urin a
eighty four years, Nettune hundred and sixty five years, Pluto
two hundred and forty eight years. And it is remarkable
point one that they are all moving into different signs

(07:57):
within an eighteen month period of November twenty four till
April twenty six. I mean, that's incredible mathematically and astronomically.
But on top of that that this particular configuration is
taking place, because that is really unique, so that you know,
they're too very and because they're all moving at different

(08:17):
speeds as well. So this this configuration holds through twenty
twenty seven, so twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, and
then starts to break up, which is why I've been
talking about these three years. You ask me the question
about twenty five, but it's really twenty five, twenty six,
twenty seven that this is dominating our astrology and our world,

(08:39):
and this you know, I've talked about this quite a
lot bit. I really see this as the birth of
the new human, as does Lee Harris, as does Richard Rudd,
as do you know many other people, Kelly Colodney, I mean,
Nancy Rebecca, many many people are seeing this particular converging

(09:00):
of time, and there are many things, other things that
feed into this, like the end of Caluga, you know,
the end of the professional cycle, et cetera, et cetera,
the hope he miss the Mayan prophecies, the Quero prophecies.
It's all feeding in to this very specific three year window.
That's what's so amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And we're smack right in the midd of it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, we're in it. We're in the mush of the chrysalis.
And it's all one way process. You can't stuff the
butterfly back into the chrysalis. It goes one way. You
can't stuff it back to the caterpillar either. It's one way,
and we are in it. And that's why our choices
right now are more important than ever, because we're starting

(09:48):
to put the paint on the blank canvas, which we've
never lived before. We've never done this before, we've never
ascended in our physicality before. We got close in Atlantis,
but messed it up. So here we go again, and
another twelve thousand year cycle to have another go.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
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Speaker 2 (10:15):
And we are beyond the tipping point, I believe, with
all the amazingly gifted people I speak to, So you know,
we're doing really well. In fact, we're doing ahead of expectation,
but we have to be super careful not to get
dragged into the drama, the distraction, the crazies, because we
are creating from the energy that we are feeling internally

(10:39):
and broadcasting accidentally. So if you're all, you know, watching
nightly news and you're in fear and the horror that awful,
awful stuff happening in the world. But if you keep
on repeating those feelings, that's what you're creating with. Those
are your ingredients in frequency and emotional terms that you're
creating your tomorrows with. And that's not great.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, ask you because this is something that people don't
talk about as much because it's we're talking about tens
of thousands of years, the cycles of humanity. Everything in
humanity is cyclical, Everything in this universe is cyclical, in
this in the third dimension, correct. So astrology is that
language that tells us, hey, this is what's going to happen,

(11:21):
this is the energy, this is a thing. You were
mentioning Atlantis and we screwed it up. But before Atlantis,
there was another cycle, and before that there was another
cycle and things that we might not even remember because
technically we've been around for they say a quarter of
a million years or something like that, so that's a
lot of time for the species to be going through cycles.

(11:44):
The cycle we're going through now is, according to what
I understand from the gift of people I've spoken to,
is we are at a point that we've never been
at before, a high point. But this will pass, not
in your lifetime, not in my lifetime, not in my
kids or in many other kids. But we will eventually
get to a high point of enlightenment again, and then

(12:08):
the energy of this of the universe shifts and we
will start going back down again. Forgetting it, because it's
all cycles. But the difference is we're not going to
go back down as low as we once were, will
be a little higher and then higher, and so it's
going to be a circle that keeps going higher higher
until we get to our low point is enlightenment, and

(12:28):
then the game is over.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Is that makes sense, Yeah, I mean, it absolutely always has, Alex,
It absolutely always has my sense, and it's just my
own opinion informed by other much cleverer people than me.
My sense is that we may have left the tram
tracks that we have the opportunity right now because of

(12:50):
the incredible amount of light coming in. We are at
a state of consciousness where we can embody more of
that light, and therefore we are developing and all of
us are doing this to some extent, more psych extensitivity,
more healing ability, more telepathy, and that gives us the
opportunity to break out of the hamster wheel, the repeating cycles.

(13:13):
If humanity gets this right, we can break up. And
I believe we are already breaking out of that hamster
wheel to a much much higher level than we've ever
existed at. That's why I bang on endlessly about take
a note of your state of being, take a note
of your frequency, because those are your ingredients. If we

(13:33):
can really get we live from the inside out and
it affects all of our reality, will be a long
way down the road. Because even with astrology, I don't
want people to give away their power to the planets.
I don't want people to give away their power to me,
because you know, it's interesting, Alex that people come to
astrologists to say, tell me what the plants are doing

(13:54):
to me, or tell me what's going to happen. Well,
I don't use astrology in such a firm, predictive event
type focus because the individual consciousness and the collective consciousness
are weaving with the astrological energy. So I'd say astrology
is about half the picture. The rest of it is

(14:16):
our collective consciousness. So that's very empowering.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
So if I'm a cancer on Sunday and it says
don't go out because bad things are going to happen
to you, that's not really something I should follow.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I would never say that in a million years to
anybody ever.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And I say that jokingly because that's the difference between
the horoscopes in a newspaper. That's how old I am,
uh yes, exactly, or versus what the work that you
do and many other you know, high level or experience
astrologers do. It's a more broader stroke kind of picture. Yeah,

(14:54):
so that's my next question. How can you How does
the stars and trology kind of mix with humanity's free
will to be able to do whatever it wants.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, that's really interesting because your individual birth chart is
you know, is unique to you. It's very special, and
therefore that says everybody is special. You know, everybody has
particular challenges and gifts, et cetera. So the analogy I've
always used in my work is that is your sheet
of music, so the pattern is set. But you can

(15:28):
either play that with a couple of tinspoons, so you
can play it with the London Philharmonic. You can have
a big life, magnificent life, helping lots of people, or
you can butcher it. It's your choice. So the free
will comes in and how you play the music, that's
our free will. And the more informed you are about
the astrological language, you know, if you watch the weather forecast,

(15:52):
that gives you more choice, not less, because you know
what the prevailing weather's going to be and you decide
sall I stay in till the rain is cleared, to
get my umbrella and my rubberware, and you know and
brave it. It gives you It opens up your choice
because you're better informed. So astrology doesn't reduce your free
will in your choice, it increases it because you've now

(16:14):
got useful information.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Well, it's kind of the rules of the game. Essentially,
that's the game. You've decided to step into. This game.
These are the rules of the game you're gonna play Monopoly, great,
but you can't play Monopoly with the rules of UNO.
It doesn't work. It's just not gonna happen, and that
people get lost. Like you know, you I came in
as a male Latino male in the nineteen seventies, very

(16:38):
different experience than a Latino male in the sixteen seventies,
in the same area that I was born in South Florida,
very different experience. You know, you were born a woman
in England. That is the nature, that is the rules
of your game. Now, how you play it is up
to you completely. As much as I might want to

(17:00):
be a wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins, it's probably
not gonna happen because that's not the rule of the
game that I was given.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I wasn't given that that skill set, that the physical
tools to do so, but I was given other things.
You know, you say I could podcast. That's one of
the things. Weirdly enough that I could, you know, have
a conversation with people, and you are you have an
affinity for astrology. That is how you decided to walk
down this path. So I just I wanted to kind
of put that out there for people to really kind

(17:27):
of get you know, because people get caught with the
whole free will thing, like I don't have anything tell
me what to do, and I have. You know, especially Americans,
we are very you know, that's who we are. No
one will tell us what to do. We will do
whatever we want in America. But and I say that
with all the love in the world for all the
Americans watching. But but a lot of people do get

(17:48):
caught up in that whole free will thing and that
they ignore astrology or they ignore even a psychic medium
or a channeler's advice because you're like, you're not gonna
take what's gonna happen in my life. But I love
your what you said. It's a weather forecast. You you
could put on a coat and an umbrella because you
know it's gonna rain. But it's gonna rain regardless whether

(18:09):
you like it or not.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, there's certain parameters. You know, I wasn't going
to be an Olympic athlete. That was quite clear, and
you know I can do that. So so what the
chart does. It's really helpful in directing you to your gifts.
And actually I don't do client work anymore. I've got
no time. But in the past I've often done the
charts of very you know, say four children in the
same family and they're all completely different and their skills

(18:32):
one maybe really musical and another one athletic, another one mathematical.
And if you can let the parents know that early
on in the game, they can help those gifts come
to blossom, perhaps in a fuller way than they otherwise
would if they didn't have that information. And there's another
level to this as well, Alex, because I love to
use astrology strategically, so so each planet has different symbolisms.

(18:59):
So say you've got some beautiful Jupiter transits coming up,
I would encourage someone to play their luck to travel more,
to take you on a study course, maybe to do
some broadcasting or write it, you know, because it's very
favorable for that. If it was a Satin transit coming up,
you've got to keep your nose to the grind stone

(19:19):
much more, or you will do well strategically if you
work hard and you get to the end of that
project and then you know you get your reward. Well,
Uranus is completely different. It's you know, you're encouraged to
be a maverick, to kick against the rules, to say,
you know, I'm not doing this, and yeah, I'm leaving
work early, et cetera, et cetera. But if you live

(19:39):
your Satin transit as if you're having a Urinus transit
and you're so you're being encouraged to work hard and
you just bunk off, ah, not doing this, it won't
work well. At't all backfire. More likely if you're you've
got a Urinus transit, which is encourage encouraging you to
break the rules, be a maverick, be more creative, but
you keep your head to the ground stone, and you know,

(20:01):
just follow up. The boss is you'll miss a lot
of creative opportunity. So the transits don't dictate to you.
They encourage you in a certain direction, and if you
understand the language, you can use them strategically to optimize
your gain. Essentially. Does that make sense.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show. It makes Yeah, it
does make sense. It does make sense. You were mentioning
that these next three years are so pivotabal, so pivotal,
and everybody I speak to talks about twenty twenty seven.

(20:40):
That number keeps coming on, not twenty eight, not twenty six,
not twenty nine, twenty twenty seven, And it's this thing
that what do you believe is going to happen for
humanity during that time? Because I've heard many things as
far as shifts are concerned. You know, is it going
to be something that's going to be so bad, meaning
like a world war or something like that that we

(21:00):
all as a collective go no, no, no, no, no,
We're not going down that road. Do we have to
go that? Or something so amazing that, you know, I
don't believe that, you know, CHRISI is coming back or
anything like that. But there has been talk of other
things happening for humanity, opening up doors that were never
opened to us before, maybe making connections with other things

(21:21):
out there in the universe that we haven't had connections
with before. What is your feeling on that?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's spot on. I mean,
I would actually put it as these three years. But
ra who was really the inspiration for human design, he
said there would be a new genetic human by twenty
twenty seven or the end. I think it's the end
of twenty twenty seven. He was looking at seventeen year,
seventeen thousand year cycles. Richard Rudd in his gene Key's work,

(21:50):
and you know g you know him well, Genk's fifty
five as is the most important gen ki And he
said that this year, on January the thirtieth this year,
that in his system, which I don't understand, Pluto entered
gate forty one, he said in the conversation with it
on my channel, and he said that would trigger the

(22:13):
activation of an amino acid called mathiolon which stimulates DNA,
and that would be the genetic mutation and upgrade of
all species on Earth beginning January just past, and that
you know, that chrysalis period, that metamorphosis would continue until

(22:33):
twenty twenty seven, and that's when he sees the dragonfly
really taking off. Now, you know, I'm talking to other
people like the lovely Kelly Colodney, she with her channeling
of Arcangel Raphael. Arcangel Raphael said that on the ares
Eclogs this year, twenty first of March, we began the

(22:53):
gestation of the new galactic human and that will be
birthed on the twenty first of December this year. Now,
I don't think he's just heishi, Okay, Trusia's talking about
babies I think he's talking about people like, you know,
adults that are changing their biology, and he's talking quite
a lot about that. Tomorrow night, I'm talking to Dr

(23:14):
David Clements. He's a very clever theoretical physicist as was
and now you know, chats with the lu hymn, and
he is talking about the effect that this new cosmic
light and energy is having on repairing the telomeres. Now,
the telomeres are responsible for healthy cell replication, and therefore
potentially I haven't had the conversation with him yet, that's

(23:36):
tomorrow night, but potentially we're going to be able to
live longer and healthier lives. It's going to repair damaged
DNA damage, et cetera, so we can reproduce healthier cells. So,
whether you're talking about the very end of twenty five
or whether you're talking about the end of twenty seven,
this is a tiny window of time when you're looking millennia,

(23:59):
you know, a thousand, I mean, it's a you know,
we're all in the same ballpark here. The astrology is
most exact next July July eighteenth. This this is what
I've been showing you. This comes to the most exact
geometory on July eighteenth next year, so we'll feel all
of your I mean, we're in it now because it's
it's already operational now, and so we are in this ballpark.

(24:22):
So it doesn't really matter if you're going to, you know,
stake your bet on end of twenty five. You're going
to state your bet on the air of twenty So
you know, these are these are whispers of time, aren't
they in the grand scheme of things.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh it's not even a blink. It's not even a
quarter of a blink. It's it's it's so so fast.
So essentially the time we're in is that time when
the ocean's water retreat backwards from the shore. You know,
there's a tidal wave coming. That's the danger. And it's
kind of that that moment. Now the water is starting

(24:54):
to come back, and then there is going to be
something that's going to come. And I don't say that
in a negative way. I'm just saying there's an energy coming.
There's something shifting very largely coming in these next two
three years.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yep. Yeah. And just before we leave that point, I
just want to be really clear, Alex, Just before we
leave that point, I'm saying, from my humble point of
view as an astrologer, these three years are a concentrated
period of accelerated evolution. I'm not saying it's a done
deal by the end of twenty seven, are all going
to be angels, not saying that, you know, because our

(25:24):
evolution will go on and on and on and on.
You know, wish that were true. But it is a
particularly concentrated and accelerated period of evolution. That is what
I'm seeing, and that's what I'm hearing other people say. So, yeah,
so you're talking about the major earth changes, yeap, Seismic
activity is definitely ticked up. Yes, I mean, you know,
today I'm picking up stuff about huge fires in Greece,

(25:48):
in Spain, massive fires in the south of France, with
other people, you know, experience and these extremes, whether it's
fire or floods, And again that's in the astrology will
continue because the Earth is going through her own shedding
of trauma of you know, millennia of trauma, her own
labour paints her own rebirths. So we are going to

(26:09):
see this. But it is also I believe, and this
is the mythology of the dwarf planet home here. The
seismic activity and it's already starting to happen, is going
to produce new pristine land where we didn't have it before,
or we couldn't see it before, which is going to
be just full of incredibly nutritious food, plant food, et cetera.

(26:31):
Now they discovered it was a god. It was going
back about it ten months ago. Now they discovered a
whole underwater mountain range, gigantic mountain range off the coast
of Chili, which nobody had known about, full of incredible
plant life and sea life never been known before. Last
week I read about a Chinese lead research team that

(26:53):
went down in the Pacific Ocean more than nine kilometers
and found new forms of life they didn't know existed
living on the ocean floor where there's no sunlight, or
kind of tube worms, all kinds of new life because
they're feeding on from the bacteria on the ocean floor.
A huge, sort of massive iceberg broke off from the
Antarctic ice sheet a couple of months ago, was about

(27:17):
the size of Chicago and revealed a whole ecosystem underneath
the ice which nobody had known about. So we are
going to go through these big earth changes, but it's
not you know, yes, it's traumatic, and you know, so
many people across the world are meditating, including people who
follow my work, and I think up to now that
it can only help, you know, it can only help

(27:39):
because the seismic activity which has been very big recently,
like the eight point a in Russia, they've all been
away from densely populated areas. So I think the best
we can say is all these meditations will hopefully reduce
the effect of what might have been more destructive. But
the earth changes will happen, and it won't all be

(27:59):
bad news, because I think we will literally start to
see new earth, literally patches of new land. And I
also understand that some of those geographies are going to
be where ancient Lomoria was. And when I listen to
Koni Hannelai, who's descended from the move people, he said

(28:21):
that the only reason we can't see those those areas
of land now, of ancient Themuria is because humanity fall
from love, and once we step back into love, we
will see those those earth masses, those land masses again.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
So it's so it's with that said, this is it's
very interesting, is it a vibrational or a frequency thing then,
because if we are such a low frequency, they literally
could be a mountain in front of us. We just
there's just nothing that we can do. We don't see it,
but when we raise our frequency to a certain level,
it appears, and as a consciousness, that's what's kind of happening.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
That's what he's saying, because you know, you take a situation.
Two people go and stay in a beautiful old English
manor house you've just visited the UK recently. Stay and
one thinks it's just the most incredible place and you know,
full of history and antiques on all the rest. The
other can see the ghost in the house and it's
absolutely freaked out of their mind. And they're in the

(29:17):
same space and time. They're in two different realities, two
different dimensions, seeing different things in that manor house. And
so what we're talking about here is a dimensional shift.
And I think it's really important going forwards that I
for a period of time, I think there are going
to be well, essentially, I think they're probably eight billion

(29:41):
potential new timelines, because we all have our own individual timeline,
but broadly, at the moment, I think they're two obvious
collective timelines moving forward, and you choose which one you're
on depending on your frequency, and only you choose your frequency,
nobody chooses it for you.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. Well, there's a big
difference between being in the same house and seeing a
ghost and not seeing a ghost. Then it is seeing
a mountain and not seeing a mountain and interacting with that,
pulling these new nutritious plants, trying to try from this

(30:25):
reality that that's excerpt. But but my mom is like,
what are you eating. I'm like, I'm just eating air, Like,
how is that?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, no, I get it, I get it. But but
I mean, for sure, I know a lot of people
who are living in love and living in joy and
you know that sure, and they are having, you know,
an amazing time that yes, they're sending out a lot
of love and compassion to the people in extreme circumstance
and the wars and the awful things happening in the
world because they've got the time to do that. But

(30:54):
they are building new Earth with every cell of their body.
They are building new Earth, and they that they're any
healing to people and they're just seeing the glory of
New Earth coming down the track. I was on a
shamanic retreat in France in June. There eighteen of us.
We were New Earth. We kind of embodied New Earth,

(31:15):
we were living it through us, and I felt that
we all felt it that we had to go back
and take this energy back to our regular locales, local world.
But if you're living in you know, real fear and
horror and terror, you are going to keep you know,
the universe is just a mirror, You're going to keep

(31:36):
on reproducing that individual reality and feeding it into the collective.
So we've got a collective spiritual responsibility here as well
as an individual responsibility. But the real trick is frequency
that determines everything.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Pam, do you believe that the main purpose of our
incarnation in this world is to truly overcome fear? Because
the fear seems to be the underlining thing that human
Once these Yogis and these masters, they once they lose
fear of everything, I'm gonna jump in with a tiger

(32:13):
though there's stories of that. But once they transcend fear
in their lives, things open up to them in a
world that like, oh okay, I see the code and
the matrix. Now all of a sudden, it's all about fear,
and it's in fear in every shape and form that
you can imagine, because that's what runs this whole reality.

(32:34):
Is it's fear. It is fear.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Would you agree totally? Unless I mean this is this
is the lifetime potentially of mastery. Yes, So if you
can be aware of these all and the reason, Alex,
I think they're happening as well, I mustn't lose my
threat here. But I think the reason they're happening is
because we've got such high frequency energy coming in and
such energy of love coming in, and this is pure

(33:00):
physics now, it destabilizes the low frequency energy. And so
there's absolutely absolutely so anything that's not born of love
and has not been for the you know, the highest
good of humanity is collapsing. It's but it's going to
be like a cartoon. It's going to be writ large

(33:20):
because the collapse is going to be so noisy and
so big. And so that's what we're seeing right now.
But if it, if it drags your focus to that,
we're going to keep on repeating it and replicating it.
And so it's it's really down to having the mastery
of your frequency in your state of being to say no,
I'm aware that's happening. I'm going to send all the

(33:42):
love and compassion I can via my group meditations all
over the world, but I am going to focus on
the pious form of love, joy, gratitude, compassion that I
can possibly summon, because I know that will make the
world a better place. It'll help my reality, it'll help yours.
You know, before every conversation, I say, let this speak

(34:03):
my highest good, highest good of all highest goood of
the earth, because it's going to feed into the collective
and help them. And you know, knowing very gifted people,
I'm so blessed, way more gifted than I am, but
they are really starting to manifest things that they never
believe they possibly could in this lifetime. They're manifesting you know,
new homes or you know, money suddenly arriving, or you know,

(34:26):
they're almost at the very very kind of first millimeter
of becoming an ascended masters and all the manifestations you
read about with those and so if we but we
got to get to grips with this mastery of frequency
and our stated being because everything comes from the insider,
and in a sense that's you know, if we can

(34:48):
learn to drop into stillness and drop into our breath,
that is the that is the most important, most powerful
thing you can possibly do in a day. Drop into stillness,
drop into your breath. That's your point of power, not
scattering it by worrying about the past or the future.
Your point of power is that zero point of stillness,

(35:10):
and that's when you're in your sovereignty to optimally create.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
It makes all the sense in the world. And when
you were saying that, there was an image that flew
into my head. Have you ever had a fish tank
in your life?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yes, So if anyone who's ever had a fish tank
in their life knows that when you look at a
fish tank, it looks clear. But then you pull out
about what is thirty percent of whatever the amount of
water it is to put in fresh water, and when
you put in the fresh water, everything gets just brought up,
all the garbage, all the job gets pought up, and

(35:45):
all of a sudden, what you thought was clear is like, oh,
good lord, there's a lot of garbage underneath that it's
been hiding completely out of the view of people, and
now it's all over the place and now you've got
to deal with it. But the key is what you
were saying saying is to find that inner place where
you can stand in the chaos and centered while it

(36:08):
goes around you. Yeah, don't add to it. Just stay
within your own space in that sense and send out
love and that hopefully starts to clean up the tank faster.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, absolutely, because what that does is go beyond all
the polarization. You know, you've got extream polarization in the
US politically. You know, I'm right, you're wrong, whichever side
you take. But that ding dong, you know, it's like
puppet shore. It doesn't get us beyond the polarity. What
gets us beyond the polarity is to get to that

(36:41):
unity consciousness, and that unity consciousness you can feel if
you drop into your breath and your stillness, and everybody
can do that, every single person can do that every day,
several times if you can. But you know, this new Earth,
new consciousness, this revolution of love is not loud. It's
super super quiet. You're never going to see it on

(37:04):
the nightly news. It's never going to be you know, slambam,
it's never going to be noisy. It's really quiet because
they're people meditating, going on soup runs and food banks
and you know, doing wonderful things for people. And they're
not they're not shouting about it, but they're coming together
in community. They're buying land, they're they're growing food, they're sharing,
they're chanting, they're getting around the fire. And it's going

(37:26):
back to what makes us human. It's going back to
back to nature and getting in rhythm with the natural patterns.
It's understanding the earth. It's connecting like the Lemurians did
with all the other species. It's hearing the animals speak,
the trees speak, the birds speak to you. You know,
it's getting back into that organic, natural wholeness. That's that's

(37:48):
what we're remembering. That's what we're going back to. And
it's that simple, not this kind of crazy shouting out there.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
And it's it brings to my It brings into my
mind as well. Since I was just over in Europe,
you were talking about food and nature. I mean the
food in Europe. I know it's not perfect, but it's
so far beyond what we have here in the States
because of the regulations are because they don't allow certain
foods there where In America, food is a profit margin,

(38:17):
and in Europe it is about health because because it's
more costly for them to have a sick population because
it's all unified, you know, public healthcare there. So they're like,
we got to take care of our people. And it's
fascinating because now that ripple is finally rippling here to
the States. You know, Coca Cola is gonna finally take

(38:37):
off corn syrup and they're gonna use sugar. I drank
a coke, I know, right crazy, But that same company
is making Coca Cola in Europe with sugar and in
Mexico with sugar. I actually drank a coke. It's a sip,
a couple of SIPs of coke in Europe, in Paris,
I'm like, this is what is happening. It is, but
it's these ripples are starting to happen. And the notice it.

(39:01):
You know, in Europe bread has four ingredients, not forty five,
you know, I mean I can read all the ingredients
and bread. That's why you can eat bread in Europe
even if you're gluten intolerant, because.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It's yeah you can. Yeah, it's much health here.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, it's a it's a completely different thing. So I'm
using that as an example of these things are changing
and are rippling. People are starting to take notice because
they're like, no, I don't I don't want this anymore.
This is not acceptable anymore. And the consciousness is shifting
around the world, not just here.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
People are reaching there, you know this far and no
further point.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, and I think that's going to happen with everything
where it's gonna happen with war, with their with their politics,
with their media, with their food, with their religion or
spiritual there's a certain point that every every aspect of
our lives is going to be like, that's the line
that I'm not willing to cross. And it started to
come more right back after a word from our sponsor.

(40:05):
And now back to the show. Not I do have
to ask you. I do have to ask you the
most important question, a controversial question ever in the astrology world.
So I need you to prepare yourself for it. Is
it a planet or not?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Really?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Because I keep hearing Pluto is not a planet? Is
it a planet? What is it?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Because quite a few years ago received a new designation
of dwarf planet.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
It was demoted.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
It was demoted, It was demoted. And boy, I tell you,
when you have a Pluto transit, that is a life
changing time. That is absolutely a life changing time. You know,
I had Pluto transfding over my ascendant. That's the marriage axis.
I got divorced. You know that I could have you know,
timed and even though I didn't want that to happen necessarily,

(40:55):
although I left my husband. You know, you resist these
things because they're so painful, but it was kind of,
you know, it was there as divine timing. And so
Pluto brings about and not to suggest it's an external
because it comes actually as an urge within you. It's
all within you that you have to step into your power.

(41:16):
You have to step into your power in a much
bigger way in the world than you ever done. And
that for me was walking out of the marriage. Otherwise
I wouldn't have done all the stuff I've done in
the last or certainly twenty years anyway.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
So that's a long So the long answer is, yes,
Pluto's real.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's real. And but to add to that, Alex,
I don't just think they're spinning rocks, and they are
absolutely matter. I think their probability waves of consciousness that
all have a pitch or a resonance.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Oh, there's no question. I mean you just looking at Jupiter,
looking at Saturn, looking at your own. These planets have
an energy to them. Earth has gaya, She's gaya. There's
a soul. I've spoken too many virtual masters about this,
and I ask do planets have souls? And do and
if this, if planets have soul, do galaxies have souls?

(42:08):
And if galaxies have so, like, you know, the Milky
Way has its own vibe, very different than the billion
of their galaxies that are out there, you know, And
then you start looking at it from a very macro way,
and you look at it, start going down to the
micro micro micro version of it. And if you look
at it from the galaxy to the planets, to the

(42:30):
embodiments of the the the creatures of the planets, and
then you go all the way down to the atoms,
and I mean it just keeps going down, so like
it's just you know, the galaxies are atoms of the universe,
isn't It's it's just your head.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's all fractal. It will frightened if
you look at images a professor Robert Temple wrote this
brilliant book called The New Science of Heaven, and in
it he had a lot of images of you know,
far far deep space with all of the super galactic
highways of light and inflammation, and they're just like the
neurons inside, like your neural network inside your brain. Just

(43:09):
everything is fractal. It's like a series of Russian dolls.
And so I think the entire thing is one consciousness.
The entire thing is one consciousness, and we're just ants
at one level, you know, in that consciousness. But everything,
everything is connected, everything feeds into each other.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Now we've we kind of talked a little bit about
AI earlier, but AI is, you know, it came in
like like a rocket ship, all of a sudden. Everyone's
talking about AI, even though the concept has been around forever,
you know, even in movies and things like that, but
it really came in within the last few years in

(43:48):
a very practical way where now it's basically starting to
take over our lives. It's integrating itself into our lives.
It's upending industries, it's you know, it's it's what the
it's what the car did to the horse, and buggy,
but magnified by a million, because it's just so much
grander than just one industry. What are the astrological signs

(44:11):
that this kind of energy, because AI is an energy,
it is a frequency, It is something that will I believe,
in a very positive way, elevate us to another place,
because it's just doing things that we wouldn't be capable
of doing ourselves. The calculations that think it's just it's
just changing the simulation that we're in this whole world.

(44:34):
So what is the What does astrology have to say
about the time?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, Pluto in Aquarius, and Pluto will stay in Aquarius
until twenty forty four. It entered Aquarius briefly in twenty
twenty three, it entered fully in November twenty four, and
it stays little twenty forty four January twenty forty four.
But this is a revolution in technology, and if you
look back at previous cycles, both Pluto in Aquarius and

(45:00):
and the ruler of Aquarius Uranus that has just moved
into Gemini, which is about communication and neural networks. And
so because there are in harmonious aspect and geometry right now,
you know the speed of that is just going to
go off the map. I mean, it's going to be
meteoric and there's no slowing it down and there's no

(45:21):
regulation really, so it's just going to go liquidly split.
And our choice then becomes, Okay, well I do I
want to be consciously part of that or not? And
I think everybody needs to make their own decisions and
it can be incredibly positive for humanity. I think you've
got to be very aware of the consciousness in each
case that created it and the consciousness which you're using it.

(45:45):
I mean, it is just rubbish for astrology. Rubbish because
I've used chat GBT minimally for astrology, and I either
just see myself coming back on myself saying, oh I
said that, or it's so wrong. It's not ours wrong.
I mean it's like months wrong, months, it's just hopeless
for astrology. I personally, because I'm a registered Mumpkin, will

(46:10):
always choose the natural and organic route. That's just who
I am. I will or even if it takes me longer,
that is the route I'll choose, because that just that
just isn't my bag. You know, inevitably I'm bumping into it,
but I won't actively incorporate it into my work. I'll
stick to my bumpkin route because then I feel my

(46:30):
intuition is sharpest.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Right in your generation, my generation we kind of that's
kind of what we grew up. But like my generation
is that weird generation. We knew what it was like
before the Internet, and then we know what it's like
after the Internet where the last generation before social media
took over, you know, So we we're this weird bridge
generation my generation. So I get where you're saying, but

(46:54):
I also get to see where where like my kids
they only know it, they will all like you. I mean,
I grew up only knowing that there was a television
in the universe, like there was. We had the channels
and it was black and white, but there was a television,
you know what I mean. So they grew up to like,
what do you what's the VHS? What are you talking about? Like,

(47:15):
you know what you mean? You didn't have everything ever
made at your fingertips at all times. I'm like, yeah, no, no,
we didn't. So it's it's interesting how but AI is
going to change even if you're not involved with it,
the things that you touch will be touched by it,
regardless if you're using it or not, because it's just

(47:36):
such a revolutionary thing. It's like the Internet. When the
Internet showed up in the in the mid nineties in
a big way for us. I mean, obviously you remember
when the Internet came in, and it was it's changed
our life. The whole world's different because of the Internet.
But it moved so much slower it did then. I'm
so slow. I mean from bod band to the the

(47:58):
dial up to to get the boad band, to get
to where we are now with fiber optic, and even
then we're still in that. But it took i mean,
Amazon took at least ten years for it to like
actually become a powerhouse. It took forever. But now things
are just flying so that according to the stars, according
to the astrology, this is the time for something like

(48:20):
this frequency to come in.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Oh. I mean that was really clear to see. And
the dwarf Planet said, and I'm moving into the Gemini
as well. But my feeling is, Alex and this is
a purely personal point of view. My feeling is it's
different from the Internet because there's a kind of more
of an objectivity in a way with the Internet. When

(48:42):
I've used AI, as I say, very minimally, I personally
have a sense of infiltration, which I find really uncomfortable,
of course, and it's quite it's quite distinct, and I
just think I just feel really uncomfortable using that. So
and that may be I may be the only person
universe who thinks that, but kind of That's that's where

(49:03):
I'm at, And I think, hasn't there been some mi
T research recently? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I
thought there'd been some mi T research that was suggesting
if you use it heavily, you start to depend on
AI for your cognitive function, and you start to lose
some of your cognitive function yourself as a human.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Agreed to one hundred percent. Yeah, there is that unless
not even get into the people who are leaving their
wives and husbands because they've fallen in love with their
version sad there's like gets me, you know you don't
you don't talk to me like she does. I'm like,
she's yeah, like you know that. But there is that

(49:43):
this connection. But that's almost with every tool. You can
take a tool to an extreme, so there is going
to be a balance that is needed. I mean, I
look at the internet very much like a highway system,
and AI is that is not only the car driving there,
but it's like planning the trips. It's it's doing so
much more. But the Internet is the road. Without the Internet,

(50:06):
there is no AI in the way that we know it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
It just yeah, the foundation, absolutely, And it's something else
I've noticed, Alex. And again this is my own humble
personal point of view, but I've noticed with the friends
that are using it, the AI will reflect mimical mirror
their particular personality back to them. You know, I've got
a friend who's a super mumsy, cozy, cuddly, loved up
kind of personality, and that's the language he gets back.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And so there's a sense, absolutely if you know, this
is my best friend. You know this, this really understands
me in a way no other human being does.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I'm having a love affair with you know. And so
I just I just personally would rather talk to a donkey,
you know, rather just yeah, question.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I'm not having full conversations with AI. I use what
it's good for, but I'm not having deep conversations with it.
At this point at least it is fascinating, though what
it does come back with sometimes you.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Just yeah, oh, it's brilliant. I mean for most things,
I think it's brilliant. For astrology so far, my experimentation
has been pretty pretty rubbish. But for many you know,
summarize a book for me, summarize this big piece of
research for MEI film for me. Brilliant at that? Does
it nanoseconds? I mean outstanding at that? Yes, I would

(51:35):
that there's a tool that objective a.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Tool I would agree completely, and I'm glad. I'm kind
of I was really fascinated to see if astrology had
this moment in time it was that let me ask you,
was it? Was it going back to the mid nineties.
Was there a moment in astrology that kind of predicted
the Internet as well? Because that's another gamesolue.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
That was in the nineties, the early nineties. There was
an exact junction between uranus and neptune in nineteen ninety three,
and uranus is technology and neptune is going viral, and
that was the beginning of the World Wide Web, which
Tim berners Lee had really invented in about nineteen eighty nine.
So all of these things I'm talking about now, like

(52:19):
the Internet coming to blossom to another level, they are
all part of this. They're all part of this childlike
drawing this configuration. Though, so everything that was a seed point,
like for instance, Pluto uranus, the last Pluto uranus conjunction,
which is like the sun and moon conjunction. Every time

(52:41):
remarink we have a new moon. It's like the seed
point that was in the nineteen sixties, nineteen sixty five,
nineteen sixty six. So that was the beginning of things
like nanotechnology and the very early beginnings of what eventually
became computerization and the World Wide Web in the Internet,
but it was also hippidim this is peace and than
living in community and we don't want war anymore. And

(53:03):
so this is a blossoming of what was planted as
a seed in the nineteen sixties. So the tech bit
is not only Pluto uranus, it's also Urinus Neptune that
was a seed point in nineteen ninety three. So a
lot of these things are just flowering now. And you know,
if I go back to when was the original conjunction

(53:24):
between Uranus Neptune and Pluto, it was five seventy seven BC,
when you had Pythagoras and Buddha, some of the earliest
thinkers talking about consciousness and divinity. All of that is
coming to blossom now. So there's a sense of part
of humanity becoming even more aware of consciousness, even more

(53:45):
aware of their own divinity in their hearts, and another
part of humanity who are becoming very excited about about
the technological side. And those are the two broad collective
paths I think. And you know, neither is to wrong,
good or bad. You have to make your own individual decisions,
but they take potentially they take us on quite different trajectories.

(54:08):
That's why your individual choices I think are so important
right now. It does that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
It does make sense. You know, when I think of AI,
I think of it in the kind of beautiful, almost
Pollyannic way that Star Trek used it back in the day.
You know, it's used as a tool. It's part of
their every day. Obviously, everyone's very intelligent, everyone's very sharp,
they all have their skills, but they just use it

(54:36):
as a tool like anything else, like hey, can you
do this, do that, do this, calculate this, and and
it just does it instantly. I look at it that
way as opposed to the terminator or the matrix, where
it's all encompassing. It takes and takes over. And I've
said this sounds on the show, and I think it
bears repeating. Is that I do, I truly believe that

(54:57):
there is guardrails on humanity, that we that they're there
is something or someone watching us that we will not
let the children plug the fork into the electrical socket.
There is someone that So we've had and I've said
this before, and I love to hear your thoughts. We've
had the nuclear bombs since World War Two and it's

(55:22):
only been used twice, and it happened at that time.
And there's been moments in history that we could have
easily the eighties and the Cold War. There's stories of
like we literally, if it wasn't for one Russian sub commander,
World War three would have arm again, would have happened,
things like that. There's someone we should have blown ourselves
up by now. I mean, there's no question we should have,

(55:43):
but yet we haven't. We're all here thriving still. So
there's something there protecting us, because if we do that,
then that ends the game. And that's not what this
thing is all about, would you agree.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the galactics will not allow that,
because we're on potentially on such a positive trajectory as well.
I don't think the galactic family that we have will
will allow that. That's my understanding, because you know, we
are on the precipice of something so different, so amazing,
that we haven't even got vocabulary for because we've never
lived it. That's where I'm at. And people may think

(56:17):
I live in la a lot of land, and that's
absolutely vinent that stop listening to that's absolutely no problem.
But for me, it's becoming palpable the more people that
are living that way and feeling that way. Even if
it wasn't even the potential in the first place, we
can create it because that's what humanity does. We create
with our frequency. So even if it wasn't an option before,

(56:37):
which it is, because I can see it so clearly
in this strongogy, even if it wasn't, we can create
it for enough as go together. Just just what's happening
right now across the world.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
So PAM just the way it was in the nineties
and in the sixties and now in this little sliver
of time where that so many things are changing. What
does astrology have for us in the next twenty years,
fifty years, one hundred years. Are there any things that
you see and go, oh, something like AI is going

(57:09):
to come out in twenty seventy five ish, or oh,
my god, we're going to evolve in this Like what
are those big markers that are you seeing? These big
broad stokes that you might see way past the time
you and I I've been playing the game.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, we might have come back all around by then.
I haven't, to be absolutely honest, I've focused so much
on this type window of time. I've gone up to
about twenty thirty two, and there's another very big aspect then.
But I think, do you know if you had asked
that question a few hundred years ago, I could have
more easily answered it now, Because we're going to leave

(57:46):
the tram tracks and become the kind of human being
or galactic being we have never been fully before. The
trajectory starts to become so much more abstract that it's
harder to define because we've never lived it before. You know,
astrology has been like economics or meteorology. You look back

(58:06):
at the previous cycles say, okay, when we have these
prevailing planetary aspects, you know what going for a d
and it was like that. Now I think it's a
different ballgame. We're into a different game for humanity. I
really feel that. And so it becomes more abstract, it
becomes more fluid, it becomes more malleable. We become more
of the light body, We eat less, we eat more

(58:28):
plant based, we have a sense of oneness and communication
with all living beings. That's where we're headed. In a
situation where we're living in peace, living in harmony with
the world and nature and natural patterns to a degree
that we've never experienced in many, many lifetimes. That's where
they're headed. So we are going to have if we

(58:49):
follow that trajectory, we are going to have fewer and
fewer of the dramas. If you know, the potential nuclear
war and you know, the horrors and the suffering and
the disease, and we're going to have less and less
of that. And the more that we focus on the
things we want to create, the more it's going to be.
You know, you just create a momentum, a kind of

(59:09):
a love revolution, and boy, that's a great focal point.
That's a great goal to have for your life, that
you are going to be part of the love revolution.
So you can stand on the demolition site, battered Dusty
looking back, saying I could not have done better, and
I'm dumn proud of myself. That's what I want to

(59:29):
be at the end of my days.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Pam. Is there one timeless truth astrology
reveals about our place in this massive, ever expanding universe.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yeah, that we are, I think a divine fractal of source,
a unique divine fractal of source. I believe astrology absolutely
reveals that.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Really, that's beautiful. Now I'm going to ask you a
few questions ask on my guess they've changed a little
bit since last time, so prepare yourself. I mean, it's
not going to be as controversial as a Pluto question,
but i'll what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I think, doing just what I've said, standing on the
demolition site, dusty and batted and saying I could not
have done more to stand for love in this world.
I feel quite emotional with that. I could not have
done more to stand for that feeling of love in
the world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Beautiful. If you had a chance to go back in
time and speak to little Pam, what advice would you
give her?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, be brave and believe in yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
What advice would little Pam give you today?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Have more fun, a lot more fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Stop working so much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, one, I know exactly what she'd say, What are
you doing living through a screen? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
She would eat the chocolate croissant. It'll be fine. How
do you define God or source?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, it's not in any religious sense, because I just
think that's more dogma. It is a divine intelligence that
is this emanating love in every moment and has complete
creativity in how it creates the world. And we are

(01:01:31):
all aspects of that. And the reason I believe in
divine intelligence so much is if everything was random, astrology
wouldn't work. It would all just be a complete jumble.
There's pattern in this, you know, there's divine intelligence in nature.
In that massive oak tree you grow out of that
tiny acorn that had all the information in to go

(01:01:53):
into that huge oak tree. You know, the dragonfly that's
a creature of the air, had all the information from
that dull, gray water and predator that only lived under
So it's the time capsule of this incredible amount of information,
which is a time capsule of divine intelligence. And therefore

(01:02:15):
I believe it's it's it's based in love. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
It makes perfect sense. Now, what is love?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I think it is not the pink, fluffy, romantic love
we generally associate with the world of love, although it
can be that which is wonderful. It's actually a very
high state of being where you move through your day
beaming out love to do everything. You know, I go

(01:02:43):
in my morning walks, I'd beam out love to the trees,
I'd be out love to the birds, I'd beam out
love to the animals. And I've been that out and
anybody I meet along the way, and it's really helped
soften some, you know, tricky local relationships with people who
have an utterly different view of that reality to me,
probably think I'm a complete rogan renegade. But that's fine too.

(01:03:06):
So that beaming out love has really helped the dynamics
in relationships where they've been tricky. And I'd recommend that
to anyone just be love. Be love as a state
of being not just a pink, fluffy love which you send,
you know, with the Valentine's card once a year. It's
much deeper that, It's more innate and ingrained than that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
If you could ask this divine intelligence one question, what
would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Oh goodness? What is the optimum vision for humanity that
we can achieve within this lifetime?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Great question? Great question? And finally, what does the ultimate
purpose of life being?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I think to grow and to live in love more fully? Yeah?
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
And where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Website is Pamgregory dot com. YouTube is Pamgregory Official. Please
go to Pamgregory Official. There are a load of scammers
out there creating all kinds of trouble for me at
the moment, So Pamgregory Official is where I'm really super
busy and pouring all my energy and attention right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, beautiful, And do you have any party messages for
the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Where welcoming in and never expanding consciousness of love is
a good one to fall back on if you can't
think of anything better.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Pam, It is always a pleasure having a conversation with you.
Thank you so much for being on the show, and
thank you for everything you're doing to awaken this planet.
So thank you. I'd like to thank Pam so much
for coming on the show and sharing her knowledge and
wisdom with all of us. If you want to get
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Thank you so much for listening. As I always say,
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