NLS 622: LOVE FOUND in Near-Death LOVE STORY You Won’t Believe! They Met DURING NDE! with Scarlett L Heinbuch

Scarlett L. Heinbuch shared her unique near-death experience at age four, which instilled in her a profound sense of love and awareness. Later, she had a shared near-death experience with a dying man named David, who miraculously recovered after 12 days of intense healing work.

Scarlett described their spiritual connection and the profound love they felt. David's kidneys regained full function, defying medical expectations. They married 19 years ago and have been together for 20 years. Scarlett emphasized the importance of love and spiritual connection, urging people to remember their spiritual essence and the eternal nature of love.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily
reflect the views or positions of this show, its host,
or any of the companies they represent. Now today I
welcome Scarlet Heinbach. And Scarlet's story is something I have
never heard in all of my days of doing Next
Level Soul. She met her soul mate during a near

(01:51):
death shared death experience, and not that she met him
on the other side. She did, but they both came
back and they both lived happily ever after. It is
an amazing and touching story. I cannot wait to share
this with you guys, So let's dive in. I like

(02:12):
to welcome to the show, Scarlett l Heindbook.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
How you doing, Scarlett, I'm well. How are you Ale?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm doing. I'm doing well. Thank you so much for
coming on the show. You know we're going to talk
about how you died and how you came back and
what you saw and what happened, and your story is
I've spoken to easily over one hundred near death experiences
at this point in my career, and yours stands very
apart from everybody else because of the uniqueness of it.

(02:39):
But before we jump in to when you died and
came back, what was your life like before your near
death experience.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It's very interesting because the near death experience, the first,
well the real one I had was when I was
four years old, so I was a child, and having
that experience as a child is a very unique type
of thing because when you're that young, alex U snow
before or after, there's only the experience that day that

(03:09):
shapes you and you just accept it. So would you
like me to share a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
That, please? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, you know, it was June, and I'm not shy
about my age because I'm grateful to have lived this long.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
But this was.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Nineteen sixty four, and back in that day, you had
to wear these little rubbery kind of things on your
head because I guess it was a hygiene issue to
keep your hair in place and also not get in
your face. So and had little scallops on it. So
I'm wearing this very and it pulled your hair. So
we were out swimming and my older sister was only

(03:46):
thirteen months older, and I were both in the shallow
end of the pool. My eighteen month old brother was
off in a little kiddie pool, and my mom was there.
It was crowded, hot summer day, and I was bobbing
back back back, and then my feet didn't touch the
bottom and I didn't know how to swim, and Mom
just was trying to keep an eye on us. There

(04:07):
was a lifeguard the whole nine yards, but that didn't
stop what happened next, which was I started swallowing water,
and I started flailing, and I just couldn't get any grip.
So then I just kept swallowing water, and then everything
went dark. And then I'm aware that I'm hovering at

(04:30):
the edge of the pool, and I'm seeing the physical
me on the bottom of the pool with that little
pink scallop cat, and I'm aware that that's me too.
So I never had any doubt about being out of
my body and that that there's a consciousness out outside
of my body, even if I didn't even have any

(04:50):
understanding of those words or language. But in any case,
I'm hovering there, I'm now surrounded by just this incredible
feeling of peace and love and safety. Just in my
childhood wasn't like that. It was pretty turbulent. So being
in that air, just that whole space of love and

(05:13):
peace was so compelling. I didn't want to come back
from it. And again, being four years old, it's hard
to have words, but the knowing that came into my
mind about life and awareness and my mother. I could
feel my mother's awareness that I wasn't there, and she
later told me about she's a nurse, but she looked around,

(05:36):
didn't see my little pink cat bobbing, and then came
to the pool and saw me on the bottom of it,
and that's when she dived in and got me out.
And she told me later, she said, you know, you
were blue and not breathing, and for a while you
weren't with us. But being a nurse, she knew how
to revive me, which is what she did. But here's
the thing I knew. I knew I had a choice.

(05:58):
I didn't have to come back, but I was aware
of her feelings. I was aware of this life journey.
I knew it was not going to be easy, but
I'd love my mother so much that I knew she
would never ever get over this if I, if I
didn't come back, her guilt, her feelings, her love for me,
and her just her mother's heart would be broken. So

(06:21):
I knew I had that choice, and I chose to
come back out of love for my mom. And so
that's what happened. So I wake up on the side
of the pool, on my side, I'm spitting up water,
and I'm back. And I never had one doubt that now,
having that experience of being out of my body and

(06:41):
floating in that love and that light and that peace,
that that was very real too. But here's the thing.
At four years old, I didn't understand that that portal,
now that's the word I use, because that portal to
the other side didn't close. So what happened was, as
the years went on, I was able to just get
out of my body. I was able to ask or

(07:02):
project terms I didn't even know. And we're talking again
the sixties. This is way before you had terms like
near death experience or out of body experience. So there
wasn't any language for this, and there certainly wasn't much support,
you know, when you're explaining, oh, I'm at Grandma's and
I'm floating all around the house in my sleep. So

(07:23):
but that's what happened. And you know, so having had
and the after effects, I had so many of the
after effects as a child that many adults support, like
having psychic awareness, that knowing that intuition, unusual things happen,
seeing spirits. Now, that was terrifying at four years old

(07:46):
and five and six and seven.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
So let's load down for a seconds. There's a lot
going on here.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
On one pay, there is a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
There's a lot going on here. So before we keep
going on, let's let's go back for a second. So
when you were floating above yourself at four, I have
spoken to children of or adults who who had died
as a child, And what I find fascinating is that
you're saying something similar where you understood, you just under
you just knew what these things were, even though you

(08:14):
didn't have the vocabulary understand consciousness or the grandeur of
the universe, or the soul and all of this stuff.
Were you even at four? Were you religious? Were you
already being, you know, kind of going eaters of family,
religious or spiritual at all?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well? My parents were not, my grandparents, were they went
to a Baptist church, and when I was a child,
I always wanted to go with them to this. So
there wasn't any particular understanding of religion, except that I
always felt a kinship with the creator of a universe
that I somehow just knew existed, and so I guess

(08:58):
I just felt like, well, there is something far greater.
I do remember my mother trying to teach us about awareness,
and she took us out one time I were really
really small and had us look at the sky and
she said, who do you think created all of this?
And we're thinking, well, I guess she said, this is
the creator, you know, God or whatever name you want

(09:21):
to use. And I just remember feeling that sense of
awe that there were stars in the sky, this enormous sky,
and I was just this one little person on this
planet in it, and who created all of that? And
I couldn't even comprehend that that. It was like trying

(09:42):
to understand infinity. I knew it intuitively that it was infinity,
but again I didn't have the language, but I just
knew it. You know, that's like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, the concept of infinity is even difficult for an
adult to grasp, let alone a four year old. But
what I find interesting is that you understood everything that
was going on. We said that you knew you had
a choice. That was an instinctual, like something inside of
you was saying you have a choice. It wasn't a voice,
There wasn't any specific beings or anything around you at

(10:14):
that point. Correct.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Correct, It was just a knowing. It was a knowing
that in my spiritual journey, whatever choice I made would
be okay for my spirit, but whatever choice I made
had consequences for others. And that was the knowing too.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
And so it's hard to describe it as a moral
choice that you're making it four years old, I don't
even know if morals the right word. But it's an
awareness that you do your life impacts others, and every
single choice you make impacts others. So that awareness flooded

(11:01):
me at four years old, and I will say to
this day it has stayed with me. I'm aware that
I don't make a choice in a vacuum. Every choice
I do make impacts others. And I was also aware
that others aren't part of me and this family we're
all a family, and so and having all that love
around you, it was it felt like a responsibility to

(11:23):
be a loving community member in this planet, in this
human family that I was a part of and that
I was related to, and that every choice I made
impacted others and vice versa, and I had a responsibility
or a choice again to determine how I was going
to behave in the world. Wasn't going to be loving,

(11:44):
wasn't going to be kind, wasn't going to be helpful?
And I came back from that experience with just an
open heart full of compassion for others and care and
a healing gift from a young age where I've just
felt such anathy for others. I was acutely aware of
people's suffering. I could sense it. It didn't matter how

(12:06):
old they were. People adults just gravitated toward me, asking
me questions about things in their lives, what were happening,
And I just knew things that there's no way that
I could have known, and so, you know, but I
just I didn't know that that was not everybody's experience
till I got older and realized not everybody's operating from

(12:29):
the state of awareness at any age. So it was
a little little, little tough.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's even nowadays even tougher. That's concerned. So you kind
of insinuated, and please correct me wrong when you were saying,
like when you died this time, did you have any
other near death experiences in your life?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, not quite. I had this shared in near death experience,
and that's the healing thing and the love story and
the very unusual next kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
All right, so we'll get to that in a set.
But so when you came back as a four year old,
you had you came back with gifts, yes, like iticabilities.
You came back with the ability to go out of
body at such a young age. I have to ask you,
why do you think this happened to you in this
life at that age, because, again, speaking to some many

(13:19):
your death experiences, I hear the stories like well, my
life was off track and this kind of threw me
back onto track or I was lost and then I
found my path by this near death experience. It was
also an exit strategy, like you have exit points, like hey,
do you want to end this and start start a
fresh one? Like are you done with this one? Did

(13:40):
you just like not like this scenario of this and then?
And there's exit ramps throughout your life. You have a
choice to like, Hey, do you want to go? Do
you want to come? It's up to why do you
think that happened to you at four? Because at four,
I'm assuming you weren't lost. Uh, your life wasn't like,
oh my god, afore you oh my god? It was
Why do you think the universe gave you that gift

(14:04):
in many ways at four?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, that's a great question. And I have pondered it,
and I put this out there, and I you know,
I wrote about it too. When I grew up in
an alcoholic home with my father having severe depression and
untreated depression and drank to manage it. That made our
home life extremely challenging and scary for a sensitive child,

(14:28):
which I already was. So when this experience happened, it
wasn't a way that I could have left because it
was not safe in my home. It didn't ever feel
safe for me. So this was being floating in that
that bubble of peace and love and safety. Again, I

(14:50):
was like, this is home. This place is not home,
but being here is hard and so it did give
me a choice about the exit point, because who wouldn't
want to stay as a child and a cocoon of
safety and love. But again that love is the key,

(15:11):
because there's something about safety and love versus loving the
human and this earth experience which was who was my mother,
and my sister and brother and my extended family. I
love these people very much, and even my father, I
just I knew he was wounded and I didn't know
how to help him. But I just knew that this

(15:31):
life was not going to be easy, and yet I couldn't.
I didn't have to stay in it. But I also
knew me not staying in it was going to also,
like I said, heard a lot of people too in
ways that would create that ripple effect throughout time. And
to me, the higher calling to love was to step
into it and to show up in this life, even

(15:53):
as a child, this knowing that maybe I could make
a difference, maybe I could bring love back, the kind
of love I was experiencing back to this earth and
have a chance to share it with others, to help
them understand that we are more than our bodies, that
we have a choice about loving one another, and helping

(16:13):
each other and just showing up. And you know, your
question's really good. And as we're talking, I'm thinking about
a little bit more because you're asking a question that
not many people have asked, and that's really you know,
it was love for my mother, but it was also
love for my father because again he was suffering and

(16:34):
I didn't Again, these aren't terms you have, right. I
didn't know the term depression. I didn't know the term alcoholism.
I didn't know any of these things. But I did
know human spirit, and I knew my father had a
wonderful spirit, but it was somehow not able to come
out because of what had happened in his life. So again,
this is kind of like the healer's call. I guess,

(16:57):
even at a young age that if I chose to
go on, I'd be okay, but they would not. And
so there was a reason I was here.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And it's a very selfless approach to it too, because
you could have just been in this safety and this
love and this that's all I hear on the other
side generally is everything is just love, ultimate love. You
can't feel it, you understand everything, you know everything. It
sounds heavenly quote no pun intended. It sounds wonderful, and

(17:29):
down here it's a bit rougher. This is a tough
school that we're all in. So that you chose, even
at that young age, you had the ability to, or
at least the opportunity to understand that at a very
deep level, more than your intellectual mind could ever have grasped.
At that age. It seemed like, again and I've heard
this before, you were able to understand this knowing was

(17:52):
so far beyond the physical intellectual capability of your brain
you were It was something so much deeper, and that
you were exposed to that at such a young age
is fascinating to me. Now, you said you come back
with psychic abilities. You come back with being able to
go out of body when you go out of body,
and I'm assuming it just started to happen, and so

(18:15):
you started to train your I'm assuming you later in
life you trained yourself. You discovered it, or you figured out, hey,
I'm going to go out of body, and you know
things like that. Did you when you spontaneously jumped out
of your body? What did you think? Because generally speaking,
it's not normal.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
People know you're right, and and just about again, when
these things happened. It was usually in a sleep state
I would be and so when we're talking about we're
talking about period statement states of unconsciousness. For example, I
was unconscious at the bottom of a pool and conscious
outside of it in that out of body near death experience.

(18:57):
And so when I'm sleep, I'm also in an unconscious state.
It's different than a near death experience with your body
shutting down, but you're out, you're unconscious, So that's key
to what happened next, and so that's what would happen.
I usually had these out of body experiences, not through wilfulness,
but through through sleep, and so I'd find myself floating around,

(19:22):
floating down the steps at my grandparents going somewhere, or
just floating around or being able to see places anywhere.
It's just like my mind's eye, instantaneous.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
But it wasn't a dream, no, oh no, I was
very aware. Yeah, you were very different. It was very
different than a dream like state.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
And there was a time when people I have family
members who told me later that they saw my spirit
out of body and that was yes. My cousin revealed
the sort of family reunion again. When I was a
small child, we spent a lot of time at my
grandma parents again because of the turbulence with my family,

(20:03):
my immediate parents. And so one day I was my
grandfather and my cousin were having a late lunch and
I had they put me down for a nap. So
I was pretty young, I guess still. And this was
shortly after that experience, and.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
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Speaker 2 (20:31):
My cousin reported that they looked up and saw ME
standing in the kitchen peeking around at them, and Grandpa
was startled, and he said, you're supposed to be in bed,
and clapped his hands like that, and then I disappeared
right in front of their eyes. While they were both
so unnerved. They jumped up and ran to where I was,
and I was sound asleep in the bed, and it

(20:54):
was the bed was high, so I had to do
little steps to get up to it, and there was
no way I was fake making it. I mean I
was sound asleep. And Grandpa was so unnerved and upset.
He told my grandmother about it later. He didn't understand
how this could have happened, and he was just really upset,
and my cousin was. She was about four years older

(21:17):
than I, so she, you know, was still a kid
and herself. So she but she didn't really think that
much of it. She was like, well, we saw her.
We don't know how. But again there's acceptance when you're
a child that the adult mind that wants to tear
everything apart or how did this happen? Where the kids
are like, well this happened, okay, so yeah, but apparently

(21:39):
it was very unnerving for him and you know, so
to hear you know now and we know that term
by location where you'd be one place and someone can
see you in another. Again, these terms weren't around then,
but so was that that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah. So it's interesting because this isn't out of body experience,
but this is also biolocation. Yes, sounds very yogi esque.
A lot of Yogis are known for that power to
be able to buy or locate themselves while they're meditative,
to be across town, another part of the world, anywhere
you want. You can project yourself. As you were going

(22:17):
through all of this experiences, the out of body and
I'm assuming the psychic abilities you're saying that you were
seeing you were seeing ghosts, and so now now your
medium your medium as well, so now you're a psychic,
out of body medium, your death experience. Here, I'm just
I'm just checking off the credentials as we go through this,

(22:38):
as I'm unpacking this scarlet. You're a medium too, so
you're seeing as how old were you when you start
seeing you know, spirit?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
And right right after yeah, no, but.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Somebody around you that's can guide you through this. No.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
It was terrifying and oftentimes I saw just scary faces.
I didn't even know who they were, and of this
would happen at bedtime and when in the dark, so
I was scared of the dark. And you know, that's
one of the things I look back on and realize
that no one told me I could say no, or

(23:13):
tell them to go away or put up a shield.
No one knew this because again, what do you say,
I saw these scary faces? Oh well, you're just whatever.
It's always dismissed, But it wasn't dismissive in my mind
because I was frightened. And then when someone in our
family would die, i'd have a visit that was frightening.

(23:37):
So these weren't things I sought out. I had never
been one to seek out or but because I had
that unusual sensitivity, and a lot of times it wasn't
that either unconscious state. They did contact through dreams or
in a conscious state when I was partially falling asleep,

(23:58):
but the awareness so shifted that you know, it's not
a dream. It's very different from that. And you know,
and then I had the telephone call from a deceased
relative and a time when this was before that was
even discussed, This was in the seventies. Would you like
to hear a little more about that, yes, okay. Well,
my aunt, my mother's only sister, who was significantly older

(24:22):
than her and was more like a mother figure, died
at fifty years old, and this was in nineteen seventy five,
and she was my mother was just heartbroken. And Mom
just took it so bad. She went into a terrible depression.
It was very sudden. Her sister had breast cancer that
was diagnosed too late, and back then in the mid seventies,

(24:44):
treatments weren't very advanced, and it was just boom diagnosis
and then she's gone, and my mother again just went
into this terrible spiral. So one night I her I
had a dream that my aunt was there, and this
was just after she'd passed, and she was standing there
and she didn't look good. She looked scary to me,

(25:07):
kind of like maybe she was decaying in their physical form,
and this is again horrifying. But she was saying, please
tell your mother to stop grieving. She's holding me back,
and that was the message. And I woke up from
that with heart pounding, feeling frightened. And why would I

(25:27):
see my aunt looking like this, you know, because most
of the spiritsy even if they look scary, It wasn't
like a physical decomp and that's what it was looking for.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
It wasn't raiders of the lost arc no.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So later I learned more about why that happened. In
the etheric body, when it shows up, it may look
like it as it's piecing out from the physical existence
to whatever the spiritual etheric space. But that's how she
appeared to me. And again it was not a good
thing in terms of my response. It was frightened. But

(26:04):
I did share the message with my mother and then
my grandmother. Her mother told her too that later that
week she also had a visit from my aunt in
her bedroom where she saw my aunt looking okay, but
the same message. And Grandma was wide awake, and she said,

(26:28):
she came to me and said to tell you please
to stop grieving your holding her back. So Grandma was sensitive.
She was a Pennsylvania Dutch woman. She was very tough,
but she had that Pennsylvania Dutch she'd grown up with
a pow hour, which is the term that the healing
terms that the Pennsylvania Dutch use, And we can get

(26:49):
into all that later, but so there was a awareness
and understanding that, you know, things can happen outside of
the normal realms. So when my aunt showed up and
Grandma told my mother that Mom still could not get
out of her depression. So about a few months later,

(27:10):
I was at home, and this again was nineteen seventy five.
Back then, they had the rotary dial phones that plugged
in so the you know, no one even knows what
that looks like anymore, but that's what we had. And
we lived in the country at that time, and which
meant we were on a party line, meaning, you know,
you could share the phone with anybody could kind of

(27:32):
listen in unless the people who operated the phone kind
of cut it off. So and sometimes connections weren't as
robust as you would like anyway. But it was the
middle of the day. I'd just gotten home from school,
late afternoon, and I was home by myself and the
phone rang, so I picked it up, and I hear

(27:53):
this crackling on the phone line, like static, crackly, And
then I heard my aunt say my name, and I've
recognized her voice even through the crackle, and I said, Aunt,
her name is Marguerite. I say it Marguerite, and she
said hi, honey, And I said, Aunt, Marguerite, you're dead.

(28:14):
She said, I know, crackle, crackle. Please tell your mother
to stop grieving. She's holding me back. Well, I can't
tell you the line one did, because what happened was
I slammed the phone down. I was so freaked out,
I had goosebumps. My whole body was chilled because again,
electrostatic reaction, magnetic, whatever it is with that kind of

(28:36):
contact with another realm. But I'm not parsing that out
in my brain. I'm just having the experience. I'm a teenager.
I'm scared. I'm having a phone call from my dead aunt.
How in the middle of the afternoon. I'm not asleep
this is not a dream. And I ran outside pointless.
I mean, it's not like her spirit was going to

(28:57):
chase me, but it was just a panicked reaction. I
had never at that time heard of phone calls from
a deceased relative. I didn't even know that was even possible.
Now you see all the books about it, and so
it's all all in, but not back then.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
So the phone line didn't go dead. It was dead originally,
but anyway, sorry, yeah, But so with all of this
stuff happening to you at this age, and now you're
a teenager and this is weird. Stuff seems to have
been going on with you again and again, how did

(29:33):
you psychologically start to process this? Well? I started because
there's no one guiding you. I've heard people go through this.
But then the grandma comes in or mom comes in,
Oh you've got the gift. Now, Oh this happened to
your ground like there was. It doesn't seem like any
of that has ever happened to you. So you had
to deal with this and also be dealing with the
teenage being a teenager right o thing.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
And growing up in the turbulent home. So one of
the things that I considered my saving grace was a
desire to learn, and so I would try to read
research find everything I could about what was happening. And
in the mid seventies, that's when UVA had started the
work with doctor Ian Stevenson doing research into reincarnation, and

(30:16):
also at Duke University, jb Ryan had started the whole thing,
and I think that was in the seventies or eighties.
I'm trying to know it was the seventies. So again
trying to understand what they called parapsychology, and so I
began to learn more about this and learned that for example,
when they would use like the xener cards or whatever,

(30:40):
I'm not any good at that kind of thing. What
I did do was I volunteered at a crisis center
and after school center. I did after school tutoring. I
was a peer teen counselor for peer groups. So I
tried to do things that were helpful.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
And at the center where I volunteered, there was a
man there who was a retired engineer who was very
interested in all the work that Stanford was doing in
remote viewing at that time, and so we would do
remote viewing experiments to try to see if we could
locate runaway children. And so I'm not an artist, so
we would try. But what I could do was kind

(31:29):
of get a sense of the children's feel feelings, and
so I'd send them a message to call come home,
and we began to have some responses. Now again it
could have been unrelated, you know, but kids started calling
home shortly after we were trying to contact them remotely.

(31:50):
So and that was again as a teenager, to me,
that was trying to help and heal. Help and heal
seemed to be everything that I was doing. I also
a hard worker because our home life was turbulent. My
way of making coping was to work hard. So I
worked two jobs in high school. I worked at a

(32:10):
dollar General, if it's okay to say, I worked in
the afternoons and early evenings, and then the other times
I worked at a Hamburger stand in town. And I
learned how to make change, so I can still do
that today. How to count up. No one can do
that with the computers and everything telling you. But these
were skills. I'm very practical. But everything I did, and

(32:32):
then volunteering, so I kept myself busy, and I kept
myself with things that would help me to ensure my
freedom by working and saving money and helping people along
the way. And you know, like I'm sixteen and I
have my first bank account and I bought my own car.
These were things being very independent. And I'm not going

(32:53):
to say that I was fearless, but I knew. I
just knew that things were going to be okay, and
even if they weren't, they were still going to be okay.
And I think that was because of that near death
and experience it for I knew if things ultimately would
be okay, I knew I knew I would be and
that if something happened in this life and that I

(33:15):
left it whenever, I was still going to be okay.
So why not do those things and take that chance
or make that decision and try these things. I'm not
going to say everything's gone great or that I didn't
make bad decisions, because I'm still a human being. And
when a child grows up in an alcoholic home or

(33:37):
in a turbulent situation, you know you have work to
do on your own wounds to heal and and your
own blind spots, and so that's as a human being.
I just still had to work on that. As I've
said to others, you know, having a spiritual awareness and
a connection doesn't make you exempt from life's pain or

(33:58):
making bad decisions, or or being with people who are
who do make bad decisions. And now you have to
cope with that. How are you going to cope? Your
question is always what am I going to do in
this situation that is going to show some love and
care and and help my spirit evolve? And so these

(34:20):
are questions that I hold. I'm not going to say
that I don't always get it right or that I
do always get it right, but I but I'm aware
when I don't, and and I'm also aware that even
when I don't, it's okay. There may be a spiritual
lesson for somebody else in that moment, but there's always
a lesson for me, And that's did I do my

(34:42):
best here? Did I did I bring love to this situation?
Where did I fall short? And and what can I
do better next time? It's it's an ever evolving growth process.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
So it's Carl, You've had a weird life.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
That's subs right up story of my.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Saying that with all the love in the world's life
so far up it is weird.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
It's it's about to get weirder.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
And I was about to say and that was just
the appetizer for another weird situation that happened to you.
So can you tell us what the shared death experience
was all about?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
H Well, fast forward forty one years. At this point,
I'm a single mom, I had two sons with disabilities.
I'm in a PhD program in public policy and administration,
having gotten my master's in public health to help my kids.
And I'd also gotten certified in reiki to help my children.
So again that was a healing thing. I didn't want

(35:43):
to be a nurse. I just wanted to have some
skills to help my help my boys. And also found
that this healing and working with energy in that more
formalized way was really helpful for others and also very
soothing for me. So i'd done the reiki. As I mentioned,
growing up in an alcoholic home doesn't exempt you from

(36:04):
things and also increases your risk too. One of the
things that I had done at that time was I
folt I was drinking too much. And then we're talking
twenty years ago now, when this happened. It'll be twenty
years as fall and we you know. So I felt
I was drinking too much. So I had taken myself
to some, you know, twelve step recovery meetings, but i'd
stop going because I was a busy grad student. I

(36:26):
was also teaching at the college where I was in
getting my graduate work done, and it was a marriage
in Family relationships class, which was very interesting, and so
I was having all kinds of things. But I was broke.
I was broke. So I had gone to this meeting
and I'd heard about this man who had gotten desperately,

(36:47):
desperately ill that everybody knew but I did not. And
his mother had been called to come in from San
Francisco after on going into the fourth week to come
to Richmond because her son was she'd gotten the call
to come say goodbye. So I got a call to
go to that meeting that night, and I stopped for

(37:09):
a friend of mine who was picking up a coin
to celebrate twenty years for her. So I said I'd go.
And I see people I haven't seen in a long time,
and they're all standing around crying because his mother had
just gotten back from the hospital to come to this
meeting to thank everybody for all they had done to
help her son and give him good community while he
had been here, because he had just come out from

(37:31):
the West Coast to do a contract job, but now
he was dying, and so she said she'd signed the
funeral directives. That day, we went on had the meeting
and people are just really upset. But something about her
really touched my heart. And even though I didn't know
her son, I just knew as a parent how hard

(37:52):
it is to lose a child and at any age.
And so you know, at the end of the meeting,
I went up to her and I was going to say, hey,
I'm really sorry about this, but instead I said, I
don't think you should give up hope. And to this day,
it's one of those moments where why did that come
out of my mouth? Because my head immediately kicked in with, well,

(38:13):
what are you saying. She's already told you that she's
signed the funeral papers. They told her he's not going
to survive, and she's here to say goodbye or already did.
But spirit was in charge at that moment, so I
asked her for permission if she would like to go pray,
maybe do some reiki with him, telling her I certainly
can't promise a thing, but if you want me to

(38:35):
do some maybe and go hold his hand. I've had
some experiences with the other side. I'm not afraid if
people are going to pass. And I would consider it,
you know, a way of extending fellowship to go show
up and just be there with him, if she would
like that, with full respect. And she said, well, he's Jewish,
and I said, well, I understand, I'm not going to

(38:55):
be disrespectful or anyone. This is not a religious thing.
This is just, you know, a spiritual matter. And she said, well,
she said she would get permission, and you know, assuming
he's still even with us the next day. So I
left the meeting wondering why it even offered this, because
he was desperately ill. And again, when I say desperately ill,

(39:16):
he had a very rare form of vasculitis, which meant
that all of his systems had shut down. He was
on life support. He had not regained consciousness from the
paralytic koma. He had been in for going on four weeks.
What had been in respiratory arrest. One of the lungs
had collapsed he had double pneumonia sepsis.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
He's in bad shape, is what you say, bad.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Shape, blood clots, his heart was out of rhythm, and
his kidneys had been destroyed from the granulomas from the
vascular illness he had, and so they were also complete
kidney failure. And the problem was is that they would
not regenerate because of the nodules and scars that had occurred.
So and to top it all off, back then, when

(39:58):
someone was in an un responsive coma, they didn't do
the track, so he'd been doing the throat ventilator and
then the feeding tube. Well with the lung collapsing and
the oxygen issue, he had not gotten enough oxygen. Then
he had encephalopathy, so his brain brain injury. So the

(40:19):
likelihood of him surviving was at that point almost impossible.
And even if he did, he might have, you know,
persistent brain injury and would have to be on dialysis
for the rest of his life. And if he survived it,
it didn't look good.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
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and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
And later we learned any one of those things could
have taken him out. But the combinations we've been told
was not survivable, but I didn't know all that going in.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And what I find funny is like, you know, I
could just do a little reiki and maybe I find it.
I mean no disrespect to the reiki masters out there,
but this sounds like a desperate situation for this soul.
I don't think reiki is gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
REANKI was not. No, Reiki is a great, great stress reliever.
I've seen it do some pretty amazing things. But this
when I walked into the room to see him, and again,
I'd never seen anyone in total kidney failure, so I
didn't realize that the body is completely bloated. So he
had that, and he had, you know, all the tubes

(41:36):
in his nose and throat and neck and everywhere, and
the catheter bag was bone dry because he had just failed.
The kidney failure was so extreme he wasn't producing anything,
and it was It was awful, you know. Being a
nurse's kid, I'd grown up with medical terms and heard stories,
but I'd never seen anyone that close to death, aside
from my father who had died years before. But seeing

(41:59):
on the later and just seeing this complete stranger who
looked so vulnerable, and it was just really really op
in my heart. And Mom had always said, you know,
when someone's in a coma, talk to them like they're awake,
and never assume that they can't hear you. So that's

(42:22):
what I did. I went up and introduced myself to
him as Bed because he didn't know me, and I
told him my name and why I was there, and
I had met his mother and his friends, and that
a lot of people loved him, and if he had
some mon finished business and wanted to stick around, I
was here to try to help him if he could
and wanted to, and if he didn't, I was here

(42:42):
to help him. Just go if he wanted to go,
and just know that he was loved and everything would
be okay. So I did ask this permission to work
with him. And a lot of people are saying, oh,
you know, you don't have to ask permission to do healing. Well,
yeah you do, because everybody has a spiritual journey and
people don't want healing foisted on it. If they don't

(43:03):
want it, it's disrespectful. And I've you know, I try
to respect everyone's energetic space and what they want and
don't want, and it's not up to me to determine
what someone's journey is. It's up to them. But I
had shown up and I asked his permission, and I
stood there and waited, and I felt a puff of
air and then I thought, okay, well he's letting me

(43:26):
know it's okay to work with him. So I took
his hand, and again he had all the ivy lines
and Paul Sack cimeter all this stuff, so I'm very
careful to not dislodge anything in the nurse and ICU
had put her chair right outside the door, keive you
a close eye. So I said what I call affirmative prayer,
which is just affirming is his healing, you know, in

(43:49):
a very positive way. So I did that. I did
the reiki treatment. He didn't respond, and I thought, well,
I guess this is this is it. And I took
his hand again to say goodbye and close up with
the prayer. But I did feel I felt that a lot
of love and connection with him in the spiritual way.
But I didn't know him, and I just said, you know,

(44:10):
if you're going to go, it's okay. But I could
feel his feelings. I could feel some shame and pain,
and I was like, oh man, he's not It was sad.
It was like, he's not a good place. So I said,
I don't even know why I'm telling you this, but
I am. If you decide you want to stick around,
I'll make you a promise and I'll come back and

(44:31):
I will continue to work with you as long as
you want me to. So that was my promise and
with the understanding, and I said, and if you're here tomorrow,
I will come back. Because I didn't know if he
would be I was kind of shocked he was still
alive that day. So I went home and oh, well,
at the end of that session, let me just say
what was unusual was I was holding his hand. He

(44:53):
had no grip because of the coma, and I couldn't
take my hand away. It was like it was fused
to his for a moment. And that's when I realized
the spirit was reaching back and I was like, okay.
So I repeated, I'd be back tomorrow if he was
still here. So I did. I came back, and I

(45:14):
came back for twelve days and then about the fourth
day is when we had our shared near death experience
and he had not Yeah, did you want me to yeah, yes,
So what happened. Well, I went in to do the
healing session as I had been doing, and I took
his hand to say the prayer, and that's when I

(45:35):
no longer was in my body. I was out of
my body in another realm, but this time I was conscious.
I was in a sleep. I was in another realm,
in that place of love and peace and safety and
indescribable knowing and awareness like when I had had my
near death experience at four years old, but this was

(45:57):
even beyond that. It was I describe it as like
having billions of little dight dots of liquid love light.
It's not wet, but I don't know any terms and
to describe it any other way. And my hand was
holding the hand of the spirit of this man, and
there his body, he was hovering out of his body,

(46:18):
that was in the coma, and that's where we met. Here,
there he was, and it was like my heart totally
open and I knew him. It was like, oh, I
love this man. I've always known this man, always, forever,
and he's the person, he's the spirit I've always loved forever,

(46:39):
and I have in this awareness and I knew everything
about him, everything and he knew everything about me, and
we were just embraced in this love together. While he's
in his near death experience, hovering out of his body,
ready to go, and I don't know what decision he's
going to make, Alex, but this love was so huge

(47:00):
that there wasn't selfish at all. If he was going
to go into the light, into that tunnel, because again
he was hovering, if he was going to go, that
would be joyful for me because that's what his spirit
would want, and that would be giving him such incredible peace.
There's not a selfish bit in this kind of love.
It's so unbelievable. But that's where we were embraced in

(47:23):
this heavenly love. That's the best way, this forever love,
this forever time, with this spirit that I know is
my beloved. Well, what do you do with that next thing?
I know? I'm plocked back in my body. I'm standing
at the side of his bed. He's still unconscious, he's
still desperately ill, he's still clinging to life. God knows how, literally,

(47:44):
God knows how. And I'm looking at him now, still bloated,
still unconscious, still this and I'm like, how have I
just met this soulmate who is dying that I don't
even know, who's a stranger in this life, and yet
I felt this incredible bond of love with this being.

(48:07):
I don't even know what to do with any of this.
There's no way you can process the feelings, the emotions,
the I'm an analyst by nature too. On top of
all this, I'm very analytical. I want evidence, I want
to understand things. And I could not wrap my head
around this at all. It was so confusing, and and

(48:27):
it was like being in two worlds at one time,
you know, experiencing that love while I'm conscious like that,
it just and then to meet this way and none
then as a human being, then I was like, oh,
but I don't wrangly want them to go. My spirit
might be all that lofty, but my human self is like,

(48:49):
I've met this, this soulmate I want to meet, I
want to know him, I want to have this experience,
but it's not my choice. So I continue to work
with him over the next twelve days, and in that
time we had another unusual experience where and this is
where I see things when I'm falling asleep, and while
he was in his room, he was improving. He started

(49:12):
to improve. Obviously he was living, and he continued to
hang on and get a little bit better. But they
said his kidneys would never never come back, you know. Ever,
you know, they might regain a tiny bit of function,
but that's but that's it because of the scarring. Well,
one night again, you know, falling asleep, I feel like

(49:35):
I'm in his room and I look down and I
see him on in the cot and in the I
see you, and I see four beings that looked to
me to be blue in color. They're very tall, they
look like a medical team, and they're like in blue scrubs,
but their skin is blue. Everything's blue. And they're at

(49:55):
each side of the cot. And I see one that
I call the doctor because that's what looked like to me.
And the lead doctor is has like a holographic tray
in front of them with like blue kidneys on it.
And I see these kidneys being descended into his body.
This is what I'm perceiving it as, right, And so

(50:16):
they go into his body and I'm like, what is
going on here? Are they giving him a theoric kidney transplant?
Am I dreaming? And except that the lead doctor looks
up and sees nods and that, like he can see
me hovering there in the corner of the room, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, he's aware of my presence.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
So then I kind of fell asleep after that, wondering
what the heck happened. I woke up super early the
next morning at six point thirty again just like I
saw these beings. Is that a weird dream? Except I
get to the hospital and the man the stranger's name
is David, and David's kidney's starting to regain and rampump

(51:11):
and function significantly. So I'm like, I don't know what's
going on here, but I do my reiki work, and
I had used a romatherapy music to help with the brain,
keep the brain stimulated, you know, all kinds. I was
using oils on his feet and actu pressure points, all
kinds of things to just help expedite. So this is

(51:33):
a way beyond reiki. And we're also you know, again,
just the power of the spoken word. There's a lot
of power in that, particularly when people are unconscious. It's
almost like a hypnosis. You're affirming healing anyway. Then the
prologists who was examining his kidneys came in, and the
doctors and nurses at that point and he was in

(51:54):
a Catholic hospital in Richmond, started calling a miracle boy
because his didneys began to ramp up and exponentially each day,
increase so that by the end of twelve days, his
kidneys had returned to one hundred percent full functioning, with
no medical explanation of how that happened, because it was

(52:14):
not possible given the level of damage that was all documented.
So at the end of that period, he regains consciousness,
he wakes up and we get to meet for the
first time in life. And you talk about awkward, because
he woke up and he knew everything about me. He

(52:35):
knew he was going to marry me, he knew he
was wildly in love. This is what he says. And
he knew all this even though he didn't even know me.
He never met me. And until you know, I told him,
reminded him my name, he didn't even know my name.
He just knew he knew me on every level, so
he didn't have the conscious memory of the meeting on

(52:58):
the other side, But he had the after the spiritual memory,
which is not unusual for someone in a deep coma
with heavy medication affecting recall. But he had the spiritual recall.
So he didn't tell me any of that at the time,
of course, but he you know, I'm just still flummixed
about what had happened, and you know, he was in

(53:20):
the middle of a divorce. I didn't know anything about
him at the time, and I just was like, I
don't see how any of this, you know, I don't
understand any of this. So he got better, he flew
out to the West Coast to go see his mother
of her Thanksgiving or right before Thanksgiving, and his extended
family out there. He came back and then he got

(53:41):
sick again from the medications they treated like cancer, and
he had too much of the immunosuppressant, and so he
was back in the hospital again again with double pneumonia
and nearly dying again. So at that point I went
to go see him and did some conscious healing work
with him on his lung and that's when he said,

(54:03):
you know, I'm gonna just can I tell you I
love you? And I was like, well, yes, I love
you too. I don't know what we're supposed to do
with any of this. And honestly, Alex, I didn't even
know who's going to live. And I was, you know,
upset about that because I wanted him to live. But
I had a friend who I had been talking to,
and he said, you know, you got to have a

(54:25):
glimpse of love. If you even got it for two minutes,
that's more than a lot of people ever get in
a whole lifetime. So don't be selfish. Except what you get.
It's not up to you. It's up to God or
your creator, your choice. But you got a glimpse of love,
and maybe that's all you get. Maybe that's supposed to
be enough. And I was like, maybe that is supposed

(54:45):
to be enough because what I glimpsed in conjunction with
another being. When you have that kind of love and
a share in your death experience, you know, it's one
thing to have it when you're just by yourself and
in your death experience, but when you have it with
somebody else together, there's something that is so profound about

(55:05):
that that that that's what makes this our experience so unusual.
And that's when I didn't even have words for that,
and that's why I came up with the term shared
near death experience because we shared it together. And it's
different from a shared death experience because he didn't die,
he didn't complete the process. He came back and later
he told me he had a choice too, and he

(55:27):
decided to come back, and his body had a miraculous healing. Again,
it is unexplained.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
And for you, or did he come back for somebody else?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
For he came back and he said, you know, he
said he was going to marry me, and I like, okay.
You know, as I mentioned, I was teaching the marriage
and family relationships class, so I was like, I told
my students, you don't want someone who's going to be
newly divorced, who's has a catastrophic health situation, who might

(55:59):
be having fumisantial issues, you know whatever. Then one night,
one day, when I had still gone to go visit him,
he was in the step down unit and he was
saying how awful things had been and why he was
going through this process, and I just looked at him
and I took his hand. I said, you know, you
have nowhere to go but up, and we both sat

(56:22):
there and laughed. We just laughed, and I was a
broke single mom. He was catastrophically ill, and that's like,
I guess we're just going to meet here now and
do this journey together. Well, so that's what happened. So
we got married nineteen years ago. This fall is the
twentieth anniversary of that encounter in the hospital with him.

(56:44):
He did make that stunning recovery. His kidneys have been
great for the past twenty years. There is no medical explanation,
and I'm a stickler for facts, and so his medical
right could have been reviewed by multiple doctors. And our
story was featured on the TV show The Unexplained with

(57:06):
William Shatner in the first season. It was only a
three minute clip, and of course they focused on the
blue beings and said that I was a great healer,
which I'm not. It's really it's not about me. There's
a spiritual force and we had a unique spiritual experience.
It doesn't mean that I haven't had good experiences working
with people who are also hovering out a body near

(57:28):
death and had some pretty stunning recoveries subsequently to that.
But what makes our experience unusual is that we got
to share it together. We met on that other side
and that bubble of love and came back and we
have been together this whole time now for going on
twenty years. And that end, his health has stayed pretty consistent.

(57:51):
I mean, we're getting older, so we have older people
health issues which are normal. But he is a walking miracle.
And the other thing is the prognosis from what he
had is it is a chronic condition. People who do
survive it, who don't even have the catastrophic levels that

(58:11):
he did, maybe live eight years. So we're going on twenty.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
That's an a mean, Scarlett, that is an amazing story.
All I see is like, you know, a movie. My
head as a filmmaker, I'm like, oh, this here and
oh we will cast Scarlett Johansson as Scarlett.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Oh perfect, Okay, Now, it's a beautiful, beautiful story, and
it's just something that I haven't heard before.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Uh, it's so unique in the near death space. Just again,
hundreds and hundreds of people have spoken to about this stuff.
Your story is very, very unique and very powerful and
very reaffirming to people about the other side and also
about soul may and about you know, finding that connection

(59:04):
they all strive for in this life to find a
connection with another person that can witness this ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Experience that we're all going through, you know, and be
there as a witness, you know, more more than your parents,
or that it is a very specific bond, you know,
like I have that with my wife.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's like, oh, okay, where you've been, you know, all right,
let's just let's just go, you know, kind of so
have do you have a message for people who are
either going through a death cycle with a loved one,
meaning that some that someone they are there loving is

(59:46):
going to die, or they themselves are understanding that they're
going to die soon and they're afraid and they're watching
this as something to hold on to as there as
they're going through this process. What message do you have
for those people?

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
The message I would have for people going through facing
death either way on any side of it, is to
remember the truth of who you are, that you are
a spiritual being, that people like me are giving you
this message for a reason at this time. To understand
that you're going to be okay, that there is love,

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nothing but amazing love for you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
And to Please remember also that we are all of
us are human, and we're all going to pass pass on.
You know we all are. This too, shall pass is
a scripture that people listen to. All of what we're
experiencing will pass. It is hard to lose somebody in life.

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It's hard to face our own mortality. But for those
who us who have, we know what is on the
other side, and we're all giving that collective voice. You
hear the same thing, we're saying the same things. Our
experiences might differ in certain ways, but the universal truth
is we're all giving a message of love that our

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consciousness exists and continues to exist for eternity. And to
think of about it this way, we are just one
being on this very small planet in one galaxy and
a cosmos of trillions or more galaxies that's expanding that

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we cannot even comprehend. And there is something so huge
that is in charge of all of this. It's not us,
and we have to believe that however turbulent this Earth
journey has been, there is an incredible love and consciousness
on the other side that it's almost like going to
sleep and waking up into that other place, and that

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your loved one who might be going now ahead of
you is just going ahead, and they're going to be
there when you get there. And if you're going first,
you will be there when they get there, and that
that love and that consciousness is still going to keep
you connected and love, love always lives It never dies.

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Your physical body does, but your love lives on and
your consciousness lives on, and you can trust that, trust it.
And I hope that people are hearing what I'm saying, well,
listen not to the words, but to the spiritual truth
in their hearts, because that's what I'm trying to give.
It is a message of hope, but it's a message

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of healing, and it's a message of love and to
have a little faith that their lives mattered, their spirits
are incredibly important and that they will live on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Beautiful, beautiful message, Scarlett. Where can people find out more
about you and the work that you're doing and getting
this stuff out there in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
My website, which I think you'll post is it's just
my name scarletteinmbook dot com. And I did write that book.
We met on the other side and I did it
to include resources, documentation and just to tell the story
because it's a lot that happened over those periods, and
I'm very honest about my humanity and i want people

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to know. You know, I'm not a saint. You don't
have to be a saint to have a spiritual experience
or your death experience. You just have to be willing
to be open to love and the journey and see
where it takes you. But they can go to my website.
I've posted every interview I've had, any information they have.

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I'm not doing healing work right these these minutes, but
I do tell people, and I mean this sincerely. I
can't often respond back because because the TV show aired
all over the world and continues to and I can't
respond to everybody. But if you do send me a message,
I will promise you I will read it, I will
pray for you. You will be on my prayer list in

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the morning and in the evenings, and you can be
assured that that will happen, even if I can't get
back to you personally. So they can find out everything
about me on my website and more than they probably
want to know in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Fair enough, fair enough, Scarlett, Do you have any parting
messages for the audience in general.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Well, just I'm grateful for anyone who's listened to what
I've had to say, and that I hope that what
I didn't have to say inspires them to know that
love will show up and find them in the most
unexpected ways on this side and on the other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
God, it's been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with all
of us, and I do appreciate everything you're doing to
help awake this planet. So thank you again.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Thank you, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I want to thanks Carle so much for coming on
the show and sharing her story with all of us.
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