NLS 624: HIDDEN Chambers Discovered UNDER the GREAT PYRAMID They DON'T Want You to Know! with Randall Carlson

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guests and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions
of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now, today we welcome a guest that I've
been trying to get on the show for years. Now,

(01:41):
we finally got our schedules in order. We welcome Randall Carson.
And Randall is an investigator on ancient mysteries and what
we discuss in regards to how the Pyramids were made,
what's underneath the pyramids now, what the establishment really doesn't
want you to know about our human in history, and

(02:01):
so so much more. This is a mind blowing episode, guys,
so let's dive in. I like to welcome to the show,
Randall Carson. How you doing, Randall?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm doing well, Alex. Thanks, and now I'm doing even
better sitting here with you.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I appreciate that my friend. Like I was telling you
before we got on, I've been a huge fan of yours.
What you and Graham Hancock have been doing for such
a long time, but your work specifically with the younger,
dryest and and that we're talking about fighting the good
fight out there trying to get this information out into
the world. And first, before we even get started, thank

(02:36):
you so much for being that kind of trailblazer. And
taking all the arrows in the back would be the
like they say, it's like taking the arrows in the back.
First over the hill is the one with the arrows
in their back, first through the wall is the bloodiest.
That's that's when I think of that, I think of
you and Graham.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, well, you know, to be fair to Graham, he's
taking a lot more abuse than I have. You know,
I don't, but he weathers it, you know. And and
most of what I've seen launched at Graham doesn't amount
to anything at all. It's you know, even some of
the professional archaeologists that are attacking them. I've gone through

(03:16):
a fine tooth comb some of their critiques and objections
and things, and really there's nothing there. There's it's a
lot of name calling, a lot of you know, pseudo
archaeologist racist, you know, after ancient apocalypse, you know, he
was a racist. He was a white supremacist. He was

(03:38):
promoting fascist rhetoric. I mean it was so ridiculous. It
was like, this is almost like something you would expect
to see on you know, on Saturday Night Live or something.
But these people are serious. Do they really think they
can put this out there and nobody's going to notice
that there's no substance to their argument. There's no rebuttal,

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no refutation, no debate, it's just.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, Well let me so, why do you think and
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, why do
you think that the the mainstream archaeology, world archaeologue, archaeological archaeology,
world academia, which archaeology is essentially academia.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
If I'm not mistaken, correct, yes I would, yeah, certainly, yes.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, So the the mainstream academia has such a problem,
and not just archaeology, all sciences, all all different types.
Anything that comes along that shifts the paradigm.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Or a new truth. Is this.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Fight tooth and nail. I mean, it's going back to
Galileo for God's sakes. I mean it's yes.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So why do you believe that they are so threatened
by this exposed new knowledge that's coming out.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's a really interesting and important question. I think that
the reason is is because academia has been progressively hijacked
by the political sector and is being used as a
venue for propagating certain world views, certain constructs or models
of reality, you know, so you're not allowed to question

(05:23):
the dominant narrative. It's that simple, because the whole thing
is a house of cards that they've constructed, and they're
afraid that if you pull one of those cards out,
the whole mess is going to collapse. And I think
they're right, and I think they're getting desperate. I you know,
one of the things I did after Netflix did Raham

(05:44):
Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse, which I'm quite proud of the fact
of having appeared in it, and in fact the climactic episode,
you know, we were out there in the out there
in the field anyways, you know, I went meticulously and
methodically through the attacks on him. I must have read

(06:08):
ten or twelve and I noticed several things right away.
Number one, it was crystal clear they're all working from
the same talking points, sometimes even to the point where
you would read almost word for word two sentences, you know,
and and the same ideas over and over again. Oh,
he's he's promoting fascist themes because somebody apparently in you know,

(06:33):
Hitler's you know, in the Nazis looked at something at
once upon a time. And therefore, you know, if if
a Nazi went and looked for the Grail, the Holy Grail,
which we know they did and other artifacts, if you
talk about that, well now you're somehow invoking Nazism. I mean,
that's that's how ridiculous it was. But the point I

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think was that they get down to that there's a
a model of prehistory, and you know what they say,
you know, whenever, you know, whenever you have a despotic
or dictorial regime or totalitarian regime takes over, one of
the things they have to do is erase history. They

(07:17):
have to erase the history so that they can reconstruct
history to reflect their own narrative. Well, I don't think
that you know the idea now, I guess I'll use this.
A's like an exponential curve. You've got now tens of
thousands of years of till we say stone Age existence,

(07:40):
and that we never moved beyond a Stone Age existence
until the last ten thousand years, and really specifically within
the last forty five hundred or five thousand years. You know,
usually writing is dated at having first appeared in Sumer
in the Middle East, that area between four thousand, five
hundred in five thousand years ago. That marks the beginning

(08:02):
of history, and that is when the curve begin to
accelerate exponentially, and we're sort of at the pinnacle at
this point of human development, human evolution on this planet.
And in that model, there's no place for a major
departure from the model, the curve that they've built, and

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that I think what we're getting at here is that
the evidence is accruing more and more to where it's
pointing that somewhere in the human past on Earth there
has been a very sophisticated knowledge and understanding of natural law,
far beyond what our predecessors have been given credit for.

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And I think that's a big part of it is
we don't want to acknowledge that the real history of
human civilization on Earth may be reflective of the history
of life on Earth. Same thing. It was this curve,
the smooth curve where we go from very primitive life
forms to ever more complex evolutionary forms and then suddenly

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it takes off and now we're the pinnacle of creation
here on Earth, right, and in that model, which has
deep roots in the idea of gradualism, of uniformitarianism, even
as human evolution is based in the model of Darwinian incrementalism,

(09:32):
which basically a sense that the curve the changes at
any given time are so minuscule that they're almost not noticeable.
So with life you have the same idea, the same
up until the nineteen eighties when that began to change.
And of course, what you would probably know, Alex what
one of the major developments had triggered that change was

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the discovery that the Earth had been pummeled by a
gi gigantic asteroid some sixty six million years ago that
caused a mass extinction. So now right in the middle
of Messozoic, right at the end of Messizoic life, you
have this major transition between Messizoic and Senozoic, right, and
so that transition was a complete anomaly within the previous

(10:20):
models that had prevailed for nearly a century. Again, the
term uniformitarianism, the present is the key to the past,
and which is a very powerful no it's a very
powerful way of reconstructing events that we are not able
to witness in real time.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
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Speaker 2 (10:51):
But it's only half the process, and they left out
the other half. So it became entrench dogma by essentially
the turn of the twentieth century, in the early nineteen
hundreds up and through the really up until the Second
World War passed. The Second World War, the dominant model
was very gradualistic change and sort of the tagline was

(11:15):
one grain of sand, one drop of water at a time.
But we've got millions and millions of years to accomplish
change within that. Anybody who proposed, well, there might have
been exceptions to that, there might have been discontinuities within
that nice continuum. They were labeled, immediately labeled a fringe.
You know, they were relegated to the fringe. That's what

(11:38):
I'm going to try to say. So, you know, when
you had these people like Velakowski stands out as a
Manuel Belakowski stands out, So he was he was. Of course,
fifty percent of his stuff was right on, particularly his
geological stuff. The other fifty percent, what I would call
the astrophysical side of it didn't make sense but you know,

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he was working with what he had in the nineteen fifties.
But what he did do is he first attempted this
fusion to this integration of modern science as it was
mid twentieth century and the legacy, the archaic traditions we'd
inherited from our past in the form of myth and
legend and folklore and things like that. And he found
a congruence there which I think has held up. Not

(12:21):
only is it held up, but I mean it's been
I think now demonstrated over and over again that the
ancient people's, our ancestors of many cultures and all over
the world, had a much deeper understanding of global change
and the things that had I would even go so
far as to say a scientific understanding. But to get
back to the question now, the question you asked is

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that we went from this smooth curve like this of
life to realizing, now now that we know about the
five great mass extentions of Permian and Triassic, the and
or of Issian and Devonian, plus too many lesser events
to even count at this point, is that the real

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model of life on Earth is more like a saw tooth. Right, Okay,
the transition that I think is taking place right now.
That is really the important thing to understand is that
we're we're taking that version of change and realizing that
it also applies to human civilization, that human civilization is

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not really a smooth curve. With this at the pinnacle,
our present one, we're actually looking at a saw tooth.
And the fact that we now know that our species,
according to the latest anthropological findings, is somewhere between one
hundred and fifty and two hundred thousand years that we

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modern humans, Homo sapien sapiens, has been an occupant of
this planet. Now, if you figure let's just go because
I think it's going to end up going yep, we're
going to push it beyond to hundred thousand years now.
That's from finding bits of skeletal remains, a piece of
a skull, et cetera, but being able to reconstruct the
entire anatomy from a single piece and realize, well, this

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is one of us. This is like a modern human.
Take this guy from one hundred and fifty thousand years
ago and take him into the present, dress him up
in a suit of clothes or whatever, and you wouldn't
know you wouldn't notice them walking down the street as
anything bizarre. So think about this, Alex. If we've got
one hundred and fifty or two hundred thousand years, how

(14:31):
many generations is that? Let me just I've got my
calculator right here. I'm going to put in two hundred
thousand years, and then I'm going to divide that by
twenty five. Say that's the length of a generation, and
that's eight thousand generations. Now, if you consider how quickly
we have come from basically hunter gatherers, feudalism, et cetera,

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to where we're at now, we're looking at two or
three four hundred years, let's say since the scientific revolution,
scientific Enlightenment, followed by the Industrial Revolution. Let's give them
four hundred years for the essentially the rise of the
modern incarnation of civilization. How easy would it be for
four hundred years to get lost in the noise of

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two hundred thousand years?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
And I think that yeah, And I think that's kind
of the answer, is that there is now a concerted
effort to control the narrative, and you don't want it.
If people start going, well, let's see what if there
were advanced civilizations and I'm going to put that in
quotes advanced because we have to define what we mean

(15:38):
by that, because a lot of people say, well, there
we're advanced civilizations, Well what do they actually look like?
And how do you define advanced? And then the critics
come in, Well, they that what they're doing is looking
in the mirror and they're trying to imagine, Well, if
there was an advanced advanced against civilization twenty thousand years
ago or one hundred thousand years ago, it would have

(15:59):
to look like some version of our modern incarnation, and
it doesn't have to that probably didn't look anything like
it a fossil fuel business exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
And that's the thing that I find so fascinating with
with people that have that argument, is like you're looking
at the past through our lens. You can't exactly, Yeah,
you can't imagine another technology that's not fossil fuel based.
What if it's what if they figured out solar power?
What do they figured out a nuclear power, whether they
figured out crystals or the cars run on water, all

(16:34):
this kind of stuff, any other kind of technology that
maybe have a free energy, But they can't see anything
past that. But what I find fascinating is we talk
about you talk about the younger dry as a whole lot.
I do, yeah, and it's we're definitely going to dive
into that. But and how the younger dryest lines up
with the time that Plato said Atlantis was around and

(16:58):
all of that kind of stuff, And then you start
looking into these different rabbit holes and you start making
it starts to make sense. But the one question I
want to ask you is, and this goes for everything
you were saying that when dictatorship or something comes in,
they whip wipe out history. That's Rome. Rome did the
exact same thing with the Christian religion, which eventually turned

(17:22):
into the Roman Catholic Church. Yes, and change and did
all of that. So if anything shifts, so like right now,
if you and I had proof right now, then you
can go, hey, this is irrefutable proof that has been
tested a thousand times. Atlantis was real. Here's a videotape
that we found of something that we saw in Atlantis's time.

(17:47):
It would shake the foundation of every story or everything
we've ever been told in a thousand different different modalities,
different would religion, science.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Everything would change everything.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yes, and nobody wants stuff that are in control or
in the narrative. Now, is that basically why nobody wants
to hear from you, Randall, I don't want to hear
about any of your crap stuffs.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Where I'm at, Well, yeah, I think you just expressed
it in a nutshell. It comes down to that because
there's there is the dominant paradigm of reality, and it's
it's hierarchical, it's authoritarian, and academia has become a big
component of that system. And so there have been pressures

(18:32):
on academia to not along with a long while I'll
put academia has been hijacked along with mainstream media. Both
of them have been hijacked towards the propagation of this
system at the expense of truth, in my opinion and reality.
And that's you know, so you've got this, You've got
this entrench elite class that's benefiting off of the current

(18:56):
the dominance of the current paradigm. They don't want to
let it go. I just don't want to let it go.
But it's going to happen. I mean, we're on the
threshold I think of a serious if we want to
use the term evolutionary breakthrough, and I'll just mention. I
do believe in evolution, but I don't necessarily. I wouldn't
put myself in the what do you call it, wouldn't

(19:19):
put myself in the creationist camp. I wouldn't put myself
in a Darwinian camp, because I look at what's happened
in the history of this planet. I look at the
complexity of life, of everything, and I go in my mind,
it's like a lot of the native indigenous peoples of
North America used to refer to God or ultimate reality
simply as the great mystery. And that's kind of where

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I fall, Like, what the hell? How do we we?
Can we explain this by an accident, you know, which basically,
if you're an atheist, well, it's all a cosmic accident
that you and I are sitting here having this conversation now.
Right On the other hand, there's a sort of an
oversimplified creationists of you've got this sort of indefinable, omnipotent, omnipresent,

(20:06):
omniscient God, right that has somehow, you know, stage managed
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
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Speaker 2 (20:25):
Personally, I don't know, I cannot. It almost is too
much for me to try to conceptualize God, right, it's
too much, I you know. So, like I've said to people,
you know, at some point I have to confine my thinking.
I have to constrain my thought processes because otherwise it's

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just too much. So I basically have limited myself to
the medgalactic level of thinking. Beyond that now I just
can't deal with it. Well, so I like to stick
closer to the home, to the medigalactic level. But I'll
start from here to there. I'll maybe go, Okay, well,
watch start with the moon, you know, right, then we'll

(21:09):
move on there. Maybe then we'll move from there to Mars.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
And so on and so on, so on and so on.
So one thing I find fascinating is you just laid
out a timeline of two hundred thousand years, you know,
conservatively two hundred thousand years that you and I, in
the way that we are form Homo sapien. Sapien has
been around something like that in the last one hundred

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and fifty years, one hundred and sixty years. We have
evolved more than the last five thousand on a technological standpoint,
On a if you want to go down on a
consciousness level, on a spiritual level, because things that we
just look at now going we don't allow that anymore commonplace.

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Leave fifty seventy five years ago, how long ago before
women could vote, you know, slavery. These were natural, normal
things that's in the Bible, all this kind of stuff.
So what I find interesting is that they say that, oh, yeah,
we started two undred thousand years ago and it's been
a slow drip of evolution all through that time, and

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then just about five thousand, six thousand years ago that's
when things started to rev up, and then there's this curve.
What makes more sense to me, and based on your
research as well, is that it's our Our species is cyclical,
meaning that it's diff It goes up and it goes down,
very much saw like you saw blood. It goes up

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and it goes down. So at one point, even in
the spiritual text, if you go deep down into the
Vedic texts and things like that, they talk about the Yugas,
the Yugos system of twenty four thousand years that you know,
at one point you're very enlightened, and that's when technology
is at the height, and then there's the dark gauges
all the way at the bottom. That makes much more
sense that we have done this many many times and

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it's just been set again and again by something like
the Younger Dryast or other events that might have been
able to reset. And people can't wrap their head around that.
But if you think for a second, did you ever
see the show on History Channel called this is an
older show Life after Us or Life after Man?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh? Yeah? In fact, I read the book. There's the
book that the Companion book. Yes, in thousand years, what's
going to be left to Well, they suggested at the
end of the book, they suggested there there will be
two things that that future that our progeny ten thousand
years from now could know that we were here or
visiting aliens or whatever one would.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
And that's if all men was wiped off the.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Other all Man just disappeared. Just God, we were just yeah,
we were just removing fieldings are left.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, our buildings are left behind, our technologies left.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's all that's left. Go ahead, Well, what would be
left would be the Great Pyramids, Stone Pyramids, and Mount Rushmore.
I remember that's what they said. And I'm not convinced
about Mom Rushmore, but yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I don't think about rushmore. They said that the last
one of the last things that would go would be
the Hoover Dam in the US.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, but it would go. It would definitely go. It
have to go. It would have to go. And because well,
first of all, because pluvial events occur cyclically, pluvial meaning rainfall,
and without somebody to maintain the dam and to open
the spill ways, Yeah, it would overtop. Once that first overtopping,

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I mean, then it's all she wrote for Hoover Dam,
Grand Cooley Dam, et cetera. Yeah, dams would all go.
Build the high rise buildings, they're all going to go
because once the ground systems, the electrical grounding systems corrode
and they're not effective anymore. Now you're gonna have lightning strikes,
which will cause fires. It will be slow at first,

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but it will be an increasingly accelerating process, and by
the time you got by ten thousand years, you know,
buildings are going to have fallen into rubble, and depending
on the climate and the environment, you know, forests will
now be growing where urban areas once were. Unless you
knew that you were looking specifically, but even there, you know,

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one of the things I like to point out is that,
you know, we're building a whole urban civilization around the
world essentially using the raw materials that are left over
from the last global catastrophe or the one previous to that.
You know, where where does gravel come from in nature? Well,
gravel comes from extremely catastrophic floods or ice ages. Between

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the combination of glaciers and megafloods, you can completely re
sculpt a landscape to where it looks almost nothing like prior.
Factor's even a term now that's been coined called glacio fluvial,
and that means the combined action of glaciers and ice.
And I mean, think about this. We go back twelve

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thousand back to the basically the younger driest coming back
to that, and then the previous fifteen to twenty thousand years.
We were in the midst the depths of an ice age,
where a glacial age where average global temperatures were eight
to ten degrees centigrade colder than now in many places
of the world, probably no place in the world that

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wasn't three to five degrees colder, but a lot of
the places were, you know, ten degrees colder. Center and
that's like eighteen degrees fahrenheit colder, colder than now, And
so people don't really have the capacity, I don't think
yet because we have been educated and to visualize that

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if we were to go on a time machine back
fifteen thousand years ago, how dramatically different the world would
look right here next to in Georgia where I'm at.
If I go out to somewhere like Savannah or you know,
I used to hike and camp out there, like on
Cumberland Island and stuff. Okay, that's the coast, that's the beach. Well,
go back to the depths of the late Glacial maximum

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fifteen to twenty thousand years ago, and I'm in the
middle of a northern forest, and I'd have to go
another forty or fifty miles to the east to get
to the coastline, right sea levels four hundred feet lower. Now,
think about this. During the ice Age, one of the
most benign places you could probably try to build, establish
a settlement and then eventually grow it into a city

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or a town or a village or community would be
along the coastlines. And there the most ideal place along
the coastline is going to be near the mouths of rivers,
because now you've got if you set up a settlement there,
you've got access to the shallow marine ecologies, so you
can harvest that. You've got the rivers carrying resources, freshwater, fish, mollusks,

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that sort of thing. You can also use the rivers
for transport, so those become essentially the optimum places where
you would establish it. Just like if we look at
the rise of modern civilization, that's exactly what we see,
same thing, same model. We see the first urban areas
established for trade, oceanic trade or overland trade, and many

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of those, particularly the cultures that were that had the
seafaring capabilities, they would establish their settlements at the mouths
of rivers. But here's the thing. If you go back
fifteen twenty thousand years ago, a couple of things have happened.
One sea level rows four hundred feet. Okay, so it's
drowned millions of square miles of inhabitable land on the earth.

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Right at the same time, now you've got six to
seven million square miles of earth covered with glaciers. Those
all melt away, right, But then what's left where those
glaciers were not much, you know, certainly not, you know,
I mean, certainly no evidence of civilization, because between beyond

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the encroachment of the glaciers, which are essentially crushing and
pulverizing everything in their path, then the rapid melting of
the glaciers creating megafloods of melt water. Whatever the glaciers
themselves haven't accomplished, the flowing water will, and of course
the glaciers may be combined to confined to a specific region.

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We can see from the northern United States up to
the Arctic circle, from the Atlantic to the Pacific. But
then those meltwater floods they discharged and covered millions of
square miles that were not directly affected by the glaciers.
You know. That's why, you know, I take a lot
of people out to Washington State, where some of the

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great floods in the history of the Earth, at least
recent history of their left their imprints in the landscape.
And once you spend a week out there immersing yourself
in the landscape like that, you come away with a
pretty altered consciousness about some of the events that have
played out on this plan that we inhabit. But I

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think that's kind of the ideas that we're talking about
here is that there are these disruptions within the continuum
of change, and that oftentimes the aftermath of one of
these disruptions looks very different than before. And you brought
up you mentioned Atlantis. Well, the interesting correlation here is

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that Plato gave the subsidence of Atlantis following this great
war between the Atlantean Empire and the inside the Mediterranean civilization,
you know, Egypt and the Proto Athenian civilization and whoever
else might have been involved.

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Speaker 2 (30:55):
The Atlantians were driven out. He doesn't give the exact timeline,
but it's implied it shortly thereafter the convulsion took place.
He says that Atlantis subsided, that it was amid Atlantic.
He described pretty explicitly, I think as amid Atlantic. Uh
a civilization that that evolved on a on an island

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or islands in the mid Atlantic and uh then, but
he also describes and people overlooked this. He describes that
the that the catastrophe also encompassed Greece and there was
a he describes essentially an immense erosional event that occurred
in Greece, which of course would imply rainfall. The term
for rainfall pluvial uh, a pluvial event that And and

(31:44):
we can look now, and we can see that there
is along the mid Atlantic Ridge, at the meeting point
the triple junction where the North Atlantic Plate meets the
Eurasian Plate and the African Plate, there is a feature
on the bottom of the ocean floor which is referred
to by marine geologists as a micro continent. And there

(32:05):
are some very large mountains on this micro continent, and
the peaks of those mountains are just above sea level,
and those constitute the Azores Islands, the Nine Islands of
the Azores, right, But they are on this micro continent
which is maybe almost as large as Iceland, but it's
a mile to a mile and a half under the ocean. Well,

(32:29):
what's interesting about that is there is both empirical evidence
and theoretical evidence that would suggest that a major subsidence
took place along that triple junction because of the rapidly
increasing weight of the rising sea levels. And this brings

(32:49):
us to a concept called isostasy. We've got continental drift
plate tectonics, which looks at lateral movement. Then we have isostasy,
which looks at vertical movement of the Earth. And there
is evidence that there was a subsidence along the mid
Atlantic Ridge. And I've gone extensibly into that, so I
don't think we'll get too much into that in detailed

(33:11):
here today, other than to point out that, yeah, the
evidence exists that there was a massive subsidence along the
mid Atlantic Ridge, which curiously is pretty much right where
Plato describes in my opinion where he describes Atlantis being.
And also the Gulf stream did not because of the
lowered sea level. It didn't go into the Gulf of
Mexico had bypassed that, and then right there, just north

(33:35):
of the Azores, it did its loop around. It didn't
go It was maybe a thousand miles it made its loop.
It's turning back to the south, whereas now it carries
the warmth all the way up to the British Ailds,
even to Scandinavia and dumps that heat before it reverses
and starts heading back towards the equator, where it picks

(33:58):
up the heat again and then cares it around in
this never, never ending cycle. Right, Okay, so what I'm
getting at is that the as Ors islands, even without
subsidence of the ocean floor, they would have been much
more extensive because of the lowered sea level. Right four

(34:19):
hundred feet down, every island on Earth gets bigger. Right,
you can visualize that from everything I can discern now
about the climate of that area of the planet back
then and the subsequent events, is that would have been
the ideal place for again quotes advanced civilization to emerge. Now,

(34:40):
Plato does not describe, you know, crystal laser weapons and
rocket ships and any of that. What he does describe
seems to be like a hyperversion a Phoenician or a
Minoan type civilization, seafaring civilization on steroids. That's kind of
what he's described, which implies if they were seafaring and

(35:04):
they did have a far flung empire, they knew how
to navigate, they had seafaring skills. If they know how
to navigate, they've got astronomical knowledge. Obviously you have to
have that if you're going to travel the world by ship.
And I don't find anything so outrageous about that. And again,
within the old models, well, this nice smooth continuum, there

(35:26):
have been no interruptions, So why don't we find the pottery,
why don't we find the evidence of some kind of civilization. Well,
the people that are raising those objections, I think are
appallingly illiterate when it comes to understanding the extent and

(35:47):
intensity of some of these global changes that we now
are overwhelmingly documented. But I don't think our models of
global change, of social or cultural change, or of civilizations
have kept up with our knowledge of the dramatic and
extreme level of change that has engulfed this planet from

(36:08):
time to time. And one of the areas I'm looking
at right now interest is called the Emian substage five
E marine isotopic stage five E, also called the Emian
I won't necessarily get into the technical background of what
marine isotope stage five E is other than the fact
that oxygen isotopes in the ocean and in ice cores

(36:32):
change their isotopic composition with changes in the climate, and
they're pretty good yardsticks for climate change. But anyways, there
was a period that lasted from one hundred and sixteen
most recent day to one hundred and sixteen thousand years
ago to one hundred and twenty nine thousand years ago
called the Emian, and it's always been held up as

(36:53):
the closest analog, say, within the last at least couple
hundred thousand years, probably even a million or more years,
the closest analog to the Holocene, which is the period
of interglacial climate that we're in right now. Interestingly, the
date now given if you look at the you know,
look at the geological charts, now, the date of transition

(37:17):
from Pleistocene to Holocene is precisely placed right at eleven thousand,
six hundred years ago. Right associated with that, there's something else.
It's called meltwater Pulse one B, and that was apparently
a very large influx of water into the global oceans
that occurred eleven thousand, six hundred years ago. Now, it's

(37:38):
interesting that Plato, in his Dialogues to Meeus and Critias,
puts that date. He says that the subsidence of Atlantis
occurred according to the sacred registers of this the Egyptian priesthood,
who'd been custodians of this record for millennia. That there's

(38:00):
acred registers went back nine thousand years right now, Solon's
journey to Egypt occurred historically, give or take a few decades,
about six hundred years ago, so I mean, I'm sorry,
six hundred BC, so about twenty six hundred years ago, right,
So you add that to your nine thousand years from

(38:20):
Solon's time back, you're eleven thousand, six hundred years, give
or take a few decades. So very interestingly, Plato says
that the final subsidence of Atlantis takes place at a
date which is now within a century or even less
of a great meltwater pulse into the global oceans, which,

(38:43):
in my understanding of geophysics, would require a vertical adjustment
of the Ri's crust. Because we know there's a thing
called isostasy when the glaciers are removed. What happens like,
are you sitting on a cushioned chair right now? Right? Well,
think of it this way. Your rear end is causing

(39:05):
a depression in the cushion in the chair? Right?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
How dare you, sir? How dare you?

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well? I'm you know, I'm a risk taker. Okay, well
you do you, sir? You do you? Okay, Well, so
if you stand up, what happens to the depression?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
It usually will pop up, It'll fill itself back up
to where it was originally.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, And that's basically I think a useful analogy because
you put you know, a mile and a half of
glacial ice up, say over centered like over Hudson Bay
in Canada. Well, we know that the land was depressed,
probably at least fifteen hundred feet, because we can see
the elevated shorelines around the rim of Hudson Bay, right

(39:49):
and other places like where Lake Bonneville was in Utah,
we see the line of the uppermost shore line. Now,
of course water will be level.

Speaker 1 (39:58):

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But you had this gigantic lake in eastern I mean
in Utah near the just west of the lot Atch Mountains,
where like where Great Salt where Salt Lake City is now,
you had one thousand feet of water. Right, Great Salt
Lake is just like a minuscule remnant of great Lake Bonneville,

(40:31):
that was a late Glacial Age gigantic lake, almost like
an inland sea really in Utah. Right, Well, now those
shorelines are no longer level. The shorelines that were left
behind are tilted like this. Why because where the water
is the deepest, the rebound of the land has been
the greatest. So picture you've got the level shoreline, take

(40:55):
the water away, and now it starts the land starts rebounding,
and so the lines become tilted. And that's because of
isostatic adjustment. So you have isistetic You had evidence now
of considerable isostatic adjustment along the mid Atlantic Ridge. And
if you if you look at some of the the

(41:15):
evidence from oceanography and marine geology, it looks very much
like a lot of the Azors micro continent it is
called was above sea level. And it isn't outrageous to to,
you know, to hypothesize such a thing. Now, what I've
said is that because I'll see people on line said, oh,

(41:37):
Ranald Carlson believes in Atlantis, he thinks he knows where
he thinks Atlantis is the Azors. Right, Well, no, that's
not an exact that's not a correct way that I
characterization of my opinion on it. My opinion is that
now having extensively studied Plato's two relevant dialogues, reading what

(41:59):
for five different translations, even slogging my way through the
original Greek to try to clarify what was the word
where he's talking about island in the English translations. What
was the original word, Well, the original word was nasos,
and Naso's meant island, right, So going through all of that,

(42:19):
I pretty much concluded that, well, if if there's one
place that seems to be most likely consistent with Plato's account,
it would be the Azores he talks about west of
the Pillars of Heracles, which traditionally has always been Some

(42:40):
are arguing that it wasn't, but I mean, from my research,
it looks like it was almost always the Straits of
Gibraltar right there, with Spain on the north and Morocco
on the south side at that at that place, and
he just very explicitly says that the power that that
you know, Atlantis, was a power that came forth out

(43:03):
of the Atlantic Ocean. And interesting, I mean, the very
Atlantic Ocean. You know, if you go back the original
etymology of the word, we now end it with a
hard sea. What is that called evoke? Evocative? You know,
you see, think of the word circus. It starts with
the sea, but you have the soft sea circus almost

(43:24):
like an ass sound, and then you have circus, you
have a heart. So that's like on the back of
your uh, the roof of your mouth. Well, the Greek,
the Greek letter that was the final letter of Atlantis
was pronounced as a soft sound. So I mean, originally

(43:47):
the Atlantic Ocean was the Atlantis Ocean. So somebody way
back in antiquity was making that connection when and we
don't I have no idea who would have been responsible
for that, but that Atlantic Ocean was originally the Atlantis Ocean.
So that to me is very interesting. But that's been

(44:08):
taken as a metaphor. You know, again, what Plato described
to me was an advanced seafaring civilization that had a
far flung empire that probably encompassed you know, Europe, north
West Africa, probably portions of northeast South America and eastern
North America. And why is that so outrageous that we

(44:30):
can't even begin to think? Look, islands were We know
that islands were being inhabited and colonized more than fifty
thousand years ago. So we humans or some of our
cousins whoemever might have been, have had seafaring capabilities for
a very long time.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean you look at
the Pacific Islanders and what they were able to do
with exactly with like coconuts in a couple strings.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I mean, yeah, exactly, I know. So why is it
so outrageous that we can't even speculate? I don't think
it is. I think, in fact, I think, you know,
just everything to me is outrageous. I mean the fact
that we're here on this planet, third planet from the Sun,
and everything is just exactly as it needs to be.

(45:21):
I mean, you can't start parameters much and it all
goes away.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's all a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Obviously, It's like now we're getting into that. I know,
but it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, it's so ridiculous, Like even a logical person without
even being someone who's you know, got a tinfoil hat
on them, you know, just thinking about it from a
logical standpoint. Even Einstein said himself, like, there has to
be an intelligence behind all of this. It doesn't make
any logical sense that there isn't some sort of intelligence

(45:54):
around this universe.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Well, it almost seems to me that everything, yeah, experience
just it just speaks intelligence. I mean everything. I mean,
it's you know, in the Masonic Order, God is referred
to it, which provided one of the things that appealed
to me about masonry. Originally, when I learned about it

(46:16):
was the concept of God as the great architect, and
that kind of gave me a handle because I had nothing.
I could not even begin to think about God. But
this kind of gave me at least sort of an
intellectual handle that I found somewhat I found satisfying because
it gives me a framework. Well, now I can think
about God at least metaphorically, as this great architect. And

(46:40):
then from that point on, and that was I guess
in the seventies, when I was you know, prolifically reading
trying to understand, you know, other cultures, other religions, other philosophies,
where their beliefs were. That's when I kind of came
upon this the idea, and it appealed to me. And
then from that day on, I look at everything around

(47:01):
me and almost it does. It seems like a work
of divine architecture. To use that as an analogy, but
who is the architect? I'm still like, can't grapple with that,
you know, you know, there's one conception that kind of
a parody, but in a way it kind of encapsulates,
I think, sort of sort of the standard model of

(47:26):
God which appeared in being made fun of in Monty
Python and the Holy Grail genius film. Yeah, genius film.
You remember the same where God parts the clouds and
stop that groveling. You know if you recall, well, that's
kind of your your standard model of God.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Right, the white Beard, the Michelangelo version of the Vision.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, And maybe on some level, maybe
there's something to that, but you know, I don't. Again,
I don't know. That's why I said, I kind of
both this idea of a lot of the indigenous tribes
of North America who just referred as it's the great mystery,
the Creator, the Creation, and that's kind of where I
come down. Now, it's just a mystery that boggles my mind. Now,

(48:14):
don't get atheists, because atheist seems to be afraid of
the fact that there could be meaning to all of this,
and so they put their faith and that's what it is,
faith in a in an cosmic accident.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Right exactly exactly. So with everything that we're talking about, Randall,
there's there's there's a flying the ointment for general academia
right now, and it seems to be being covered up
in a way. But that kind of like the horse
was let out of the out of the stable and
it's it's you can't get it back in, which is

(48:50):
go Beckley Tepe. Yeah, that is a major flying the
ointment because according to the nerve, it says that no
way that we we were just hunter gatherers. But when
you look at go Beckley Tepe, hunter gatherers didn't do that.
That's a very intelligent, very intelligent civilization who did it.
And it's not the only one that we see is

(49:11):
go Bleckly Tepley. But there was apparently five eight or
nine or something else buried and now that they're like
covering it up or they planted olive trees or something
so no one could get back into it. Like it's
a weird thing. So tell me what your what your
take is on go Beckley Teppe and what does it
mean for our timeline.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Obviously it doesn't it's not consistent with a hunter gatherer
migratory culture that's following the game, following the seasons, picking
up and moving uh you know, on a regular basis.
I mean it shows a sedentary lifestyle where you have
uh clearly uh some level of hierarchy within the uh

(49:49):
within the culture. Because you've got, first of all, you've
got enough leisure time, presumably to be able to conceptualize
a great work of whatever you want to consider it,
whether it's a work of science or art or engineering.
Clearly it's symbolical, so it has meaning to it. I
think it had meaning, deep meaning to whoever created it.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Right, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Now, you also have to have a division of labor,
because you can't, you cannot undertake a project of that magnitude,
whatever it might be. And we find many, many examples,
from the Megalithic Realm to the monumental earthworks of North America,
you know, all over the world. We find this evidence that, yeah,
you had a highly evolved civilization because you had to

(50:46):
have a division of labor. Because let's I go back
to one of the more recent examples, the incredible Gothic
cathedral building era in Europe that lasted from about oh
eleven thirty to the like the end of the twelve
hundreds right in there, one hundred and fifty, one hundred

(51:07):
and seventy years at its peak. Well, when you look
at and if you haven't done this you should travel Europe,
travel France, go Sharp, go to Amians, go to Reams,
hit three, four, five of those magnificent cathedrals, because everyone
is in a way a textbook of stone, and everyone
of them has insights and levels of knowledge encoded. I

(51:29):
think that, in fact, the real message of those cathedrals
has not been discerned yet in my opinion. But when
you look at those and you realize that, you know,
I'm a builder. I've been a builder for forty years.
We do all kinds of projects, smaller projects ranging in
size from a few hundred thousand dollars up to a

(51:51):
couple of million. But in that in that realm of operating,
we sometimes have to, you know, move things anywhere from
one up to two tons I think is the maximum
we've had to bring in. Sometimes we've been building things
where we have to, for example, bring in a steel
eyebeam that weighs a ton. Well, we'll generally get a

(52:15):
crane to come and move that, right. We don't move
it by hand. Typically we cut off. You know, we
can install beams up to a ton, but once you
get past half a ton, like well, we'll use mechanical means.
Come alongs and pulleys and so on to get to say,
lift an eebeam up into place. You know, we build

(52:38):
with stone, we'll bring in you know, I don't do
I used to do a lot of stone work until
my back protested, and now we subcontract that out. But
you know, we typically you build with smaller stones that
might weigh you know, twenty to fifty pounds. Usually these
stones are not so large that one man can't move

(53:00):
manipulate the stone. And the reason I mean we you
know now, in fact, what we've done is we've gone
to like stone veneers, you know, stone facings where you're
basically the stones have been you know, fashioned down to
the where they're only three inches thick, right, so now
you can easily handle them, the stone masons can put

(53:22):
them in place and order them up and so on.
We don't build with fifty two hundred tons stones. And
the obvious reason is is, well, I mean, it would
be completely uneconomical to even do so if we tried to,
you know, even ten tons stones. You know, where in
any modern building, any building you've seen in the built

(53:43):
in the last one hundred and fifty years, are they
using ten tons stones even one ton stones? Right? Yet?
All over the ancient world. They're moving stones that would
weigh five, ten, twenty up to fifty tons and more. Now,
you could imagine or theorize that there's some idiosyncratic culture,

(54:05):
some bunch of uh, you know, eccentric culture that whatever's
obsessed with building with large stones, and they've developed some
kind of means simply using human labor and mechanical means
to move large stones and build with them. Okay, okay,
make that argument. Yeah, there's this Hey, there's this weird
culture somewhere up in northern Europe or you know, in

(54:30):
in on Malta, or you know, in the Middle East
wherever it might be, who were motivated to build things
out of ten tons stones twenty tons stones. All right,
but here's the thing. We're looking at many cultures all
over the world. I mean, the only place that I
don't know of any megalithic stone work is Antarctica. Every

(54:53):
other every other plant, every other continent on Earth has
megalithic stone work. Right. I just have a very hard
time grasping why subsistent cultures or hunter gatherers nomadic cultures
would be motivated to do that. Why would they be
motivated to move ten tons stones. It doesn't make sense.

(55:18):
And you know, I just think that, Okay, well right there,
that was the first thing thinking along those lines as well.
They must have had some very efficient method of transporting
stones of that magnitude, of that weight, and what would
that be. Well, I'm not one hundred percent convicts that

(55:40):
I know, but it's very plausible that they were using
technologies that have been lost. And why is that so outrageous?
Because again, it just to me doesn't add up within
the conventional models of prehistory. Ancient peoples who were essentially
stone age exist right down until you know, the Neolithic. Anyway,

(56:03):
we're out there moving five and ten and twenty ton
stones around. Why would they do this? Well, first of all,
if we were going to try to assemble and build
something to endure through the extreme vagaries of global change,
what medium would be probably optimal? Well, megalithic stone work, right,

(56:28):
anything else, like we just talked about earlier, you know,
within a few thousand years is going to be mostly gone, right,
So that could be one reason somebody was building with stone.
But I don't think that's the full explanation. And I
think perhaps what we're seeing with some of the sacred

(56:49):
spaces around the planet is remnants, it's their pieces, It's
the remnants of a broken machine, if you want to
put it that way, that once was functioning on perhaps
on a global scale, and was destroyed during or previous
to the Younger Dryest, and then there were various efforts

(57:11):
made to reconstruct, at least in certain places, this same
machine again, which employed the geomagnetic field of the Earth.
It incorporated and made use of the interactions between celestial
forces and terrestrial forces. And we know that we know

(57:31):
that they're related. Now, you know the Moon, we moves
billions trillions of tons of ocean water right during the tides. Well,
there's as much water throughout the lithosphere as there is
on the surface. Well, that water in the lithosphere is
also being affected by subterranean tidal forces caused by the

(57:54):
Moon primarily. Does that have an effect, Well, I think
the evidences pointing in the direction it does have an effect,
and we can see it manifesting and changes in the
geomagnetic field, and particularly those changes manifesting along the zones
of least resistance, which are the fractures and fault lines
that are all spread around through the Earth's crust.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Randall, let me ask you, let me ask you in
regards to go Blackly Tepley, though it was, it seemed
like they had the civilization that built it and built
all the ones that are still underground, that they knew
that something was coming and then they actually buried it
to protect it from what was coming. That is very

(58:39):
That opens up so many cans of worms about who
they were, what kind of technology did they have to
understand that something was coming. Even if they were let's
say it was a let's say the younger dryst was
caused by a giant meteor that hit the planet. Let's
just say that, and it melted all the ice, like
you're saying, if they were a primitive culture, they would
have looked up and go, oh, look there's you know,

(59:00):
the sky gods are angry at us, or something along
those lines. Not to have the like, hey, we need
to bury this to protect it for future generations. And
Ongle Beckley Teppe. Just the astrological connections of the of
the things that they carved into it, and how how
have you is completely tipping? How big are those those

(59:20):
monolithic stones?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
A couple of times I'm taking they have to be
two to five tons. I'm thinking, from the signs that
I've seen.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
How are they how are they moving those things back then?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
You know we talk about out your gathered times, right,
not even Egyptian times.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
This is the great to me, Like you, Alex are
not a professional archaeologist, but you are asking the obvious
questions that are begging to be asked that for whatever reason,
we're not supposed to even speculate, they're there. And of
course I think there are factions within the establishment, if
you will that realize, Okay, there's some made your holes

(01:00:00):
in our in our plot, in our plot, Yes they
heard some major plot holds. Yes, I mean it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's the same thing as when I was in Catholic school.
I would raise my hand and go, So, what happened
to Jesus between the years twelve years old and thirty's
he's gone eighteen years?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Well, we don't, we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
We don't talk, we don't talk about it. You mean
to tell me this man has all these stories, all
these disciples, No one kept a record of what happened
to him in those eighteen years. I would imagine those
are good years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Those are like I want to know, I've I'm right
with you, Alex, I brought that up. Where what are
you telling me that nobody really Yeah, there's a story there.
There is a story there that I'm convinced if that
story was revealed, it would just blow the lids off
of a lot of stuff, blow the lids off two

(01:00:51):
thousand years of history.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show, right. And that's the
thing though, that like they don't want to they don't
want to even talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
It's not even aversation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And I'm like, but but then you're not. You're obviously
holding back in from it. For there's little stories about
everything that man did for three years from thirty from
thirty to thirty three or give or take, and there's
little stories of little miracles here a little bitally, you
mean to tell me nobody was around between the years
of twelve and thirty, Like nobody who's watching this kid?

(01:01:34):
Like it just makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
So that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
We're talking about here, Like why wouldn't you ask these
deeper questions? That's what you are doing so beautifully over
the course of your career, are asking the tough questions
and taking the arrows when they're like no, no, no,
you know, you're basically getting the nun hitting you with
the rule of like, we'll ask those questions Randall.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, it's true. Well, you know there's a name I'm
a well he has no credentials. Well yeah, and I
confess right at the outset, I'm a college dropout. I
dropped out to take care of a special needs son
and to build my business. But I never stopped doing
the research. You know, I've been obsessively researching since I

(01:02:18):
was eighteen years old. I even have a was keeping
a journal at the time. And around the time of
my eighteenth birthday back in nineteen sixty nine, I made
this commitment that I was going to try to become
one of the most I thought, I'm going to become
one of the most educated men of my generation. I
literally that's beautiful. I really literally thought of that because

(01:02:39):
I've been reading about, you know, some of the great
minds of the Renaissance and so forth. Da Vinci he
was kind of my model. You know, they say, oh,
Da Vinci was the most educated man of his generation,
and I thought, now, that's a worthy goal, and I
love doing research. I'm really curious about everything. I want
to get to the bottom of things. And so I

(01:03:00):
embarked on this quest at the age of eighteen, right
around my eighteenth birthday, a few months after I got
out of high school, and I thought, Okay, I'm free.
Now I can start doing what I want, learning what
I want. So I set off on this quest, which
has been a very interesting ride. And the thing of

(01:03:21):
it is is that the only thing that happens is
that the further I go into it and the more
I learned, the more interesting it gets. And there are
things now that I'm like, Okay, I think I might
have be on the verge of figuring this out, whereas
a few decades ago, well, I can remember in summer
of seventy, when I was nineteen, I did my first major.

(01:03:44):
I spent four or five months traveling. I'd grown up
in rural Minnesota, and I spent four or five months
traveling around the Western States Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Montana,
and I started seeing these landscapes that just blew me away.
I remember going through the Columbia Gorge there across the
Sierras and everything. I remember the sense I had, if

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you know the story of Gulliver's travels, when he went
to what was it he I can't pronounce it, brob
dinn aag or he was in the land of giants,
and he was just this little thing in this land
of giants. That's what I felt like. I was a
little Putian or something in the land of giants. But
at the time, I remember, my impression was to ever

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understand this landscape that I'm seeing here would be a
hopeless quest. Well, now you know, last fall I made
my what seventh, eighth, ninth traverse through that through the
gorge there. Well, now I'm looking at it, and it's
like the difference between you know, if I pick up
a book like this one, right, I just got just

(01:04:53):
grabbed a book randomly, I open it up. If I'm illiterate,
I look at this page and it conveys no meaning
to me. Right, But I'm literate, I can read. So
you know, if I picked up a book written in Russian,
I would open it and it would not convey meaning
to me. I wouldn't, you know, write. Well, now I
go through the Columbia Gorge, and it's like I can

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read it. I can see the fan delta's splayed out
from the mouths of these rivers. I can see escarpments
at certain heights above the level. I can see point
bars in the composition of those point bars, And now
I can begin to put all together, and I'm realizing, Okay,
there's a vocabulary here. You know, in nineteen seventy I

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had no clue about that. I didn't even know that
it was something you could understand. You know, It'd be
like this. Here's in another analogy. Imagine that you're going
down the road. Think about this. Every day you're out
in the world and there's information being conveyed to you.
Every sign, every billboard is conveying information, and you're driving

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and speed limit sixty miles an hour, no right turn, whatever,
thousands of messages that you're filtering and processing right sometimes
not even so much consciously. But now imagine you've just
been transported from Sub Saharan Africa and you have no
understanding of the English language, the English alphabet, any of that,

(01:06:22):
so it's completely you can't read it. It'd be like if
I went to a Muslim country and looked at things
written in Arabic, I wouldn't have a clue what they're saying.
My wife, on the other hand, can read arab you know,
she's getting your master's degree in Middle Eastern studies. She
can read Arabic. So now when I come across these
Arabic words that I go, what are they talking about here?

(01:06:42):
I go doro and so what are they saying here?
You know, which is kind of cool. But anyways, here's
the point I'm trying to get at. So you would
be handicapped. You would admit, okay, well, here's all this information.
I cannot access that information. Correct. But now let's take
it a step further. Let's say you don't even real
that that's encoded information. You see these imagery, but you

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don't even realize that there's that there's a message there,
there's stories that there's interment there. Yeah, you don't realize that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
You don't even know what the book is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Let's say, right, you don't even know what a book is.
That exactly That's where I'm trying to get at. Whereas
I take people like we just did, Like I said,
we just did a I did a field trip a
couple of months ago. I took forty people. We started
in Salt Lake City, and we traveled north up through
what's called Red Rock Pass, and we learned about this

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giant Lake Bonneville. And I told showed people look over
there at the mountains Wasatch Mountains, or you're going to
see two shorelines. Right, You're going to see an upper
one that's called the Bonneville shoreline, and then there's one
just below that, which is called the Probo shoreline. It's
actually three hundred and fifty feet difference. I've had people
tell me on these like, oh, yeah, I've been here,

(01:07:55):
I've seen thes but I just never really thought about
what they were. Well, say that upper one, that was
the uppermost level of the Lake Bonneville. So if you're
standing here in Salt Lake City, that water was about
one thousand and fifty feet over your head. And you
try to imagine, and you look up the sides of
the mountains and you see that very distinct horizontal line

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and it's a shoreline. Well in the north and the
basin of Bonneville, which is now the basin of Salt Lake,
has no outlet to the ocean. It's confined to the
inland area. So any rainfall or snow melt coming off
the mountains that goes in there, it has no river
carrying it to the ocean. It ultimately goes away because

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the water evaporates, right, so it rains there. It's desert now, right,
total desert. Then you have to think about Okay, it's desert,
arid desert now. But if we go back, you know, fourteen, fifteen,
twenty thousand years ago, somewhere in that interim there was
a gigantic lake. Well how did that? Where did all

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that water come from? Well it had to be rainfall.
Well we're in a desert now, so how extreme was
the difference that there have to be in the climate
to have enough rainfall to produce this gigantic inland sea
of fresh water? Right? Well, then we took the tour
up and there's a low saddle on the northern rim

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of what was Lake Bonneville. It's called Red Rock Pass.
And then you go through Red Rock Pass and you
come into you pass into southern Idaho. Right now. In
Red Rock Pass, there's two types of rock outcrop. There's
a sedimentary rock that sits on top of an igneous

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like a granite rock. Let's say really hard igneous rock.
Picture this. The sedimentary rock is three hundred and fifty
feet thick on top of it, right, and it's a
softer rock than the hard granite it's sitting on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
The level of Lake Maneville rises and rises and rises,
and then it spills over the top of this temporary
rock dam. Well as the water's running over the top, right,
because it's a softer it's a lot of sheer force,
a lot of power within that flowing water. It eats

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its way down through that three hundred and fifty feet
of sedimentary rock. When it gets to the granite, it
stops because the granite is hard and resistant. That differs
between the granite, the top of the granite and the
top of the sedimentary rock is three hundred and fifty
about feet, the same distance between those two shorelines, right,

(01:10:52):
So you've got one that marks the high water mark
where the spill over occurred. And then when the water
level dropped over the next several months, and it was
pouring out of that outlet at about forty million cubic
feet per second, which is an enormous volume of water.
It dropped down and then when it hit that sill,

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the flood waters from this outburst stopped, and now you
still had a big lake, but it had lost about
half of its volume from at its maximum. Over the
next few thousand years, three four or five thousand years,
that lake evaporated away. So we can now say, okay,

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there was a gigantic outburst flood from this lake that
seemed to have immediately preceded a serious climate shift that
didn't allow the regeneration of the previous climatic regime. It
made some enormous transition, It went to desert, and then

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the water evaporated away, and it's almost as if the
flood is the line of demarcation. We then followed that
flood north to where it hit what is now the
Snake River Canyon, and followed the Snake River Canyon up
not quite to the mouth of Hell's Canyon, but all
along that route. What I was doing was essentially teaching

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people how to read the landscape, how to understand the
flow of water, and how the flow of water under
the tremendous power of water created and shaped the canyon.
And so that was the point, you know, in effect,
I guess I say, I'm trying to teach people to read.
But I'm trying to teach people to read the hidden

(01:12:44):
script of the Earth. And it brings to mind a
quote from the Book of Job, twelfth, chapter eighth verse,
speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee And
that's kind of what I've been doing, engaging in a
dialogue with the Earth, traveling around and immersing myself in
these landscapes and sort of requesting the Earth to divulge,

(01:13:08):
to yield up its secrets. And this has been a
forty year quest for me now and I'm beginning to
make some sense out of it. And I want to
share this knowledge because damn it, people need to know
this story, because it's the stage upon which everything that
we think of history has played out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Well, let me ask you the pyramids. One of the
great mysteries of humanity is how they were built, with
the purpose of them are and all that kind of stuff,
And of course a British archaeologist walks in and goes,
this must be a tomb, and then we've been stuck
with that narrative ever since. Though the proof is not
there that that was ever a tomb, because I never
found anything. There's no one right lifts. There has been

(01:13:51):
a lot of chatter lately in regards to stuff that
they've discovered quote unquote underneath the pyramids through some new technology.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Have you heard about that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I'm sure you have. What's your take on this new
stuff that they're finding underneath, meaning essentially like another city
or towers underneath or something along those lines. So I'd
love to hear your thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Well, I have. I've interviewed the two Italian scientists. I've
met them personally, you know, I've had breakfast in lunch
with them a couple of times and had a chance
to They seem like credible gentlemen. But I you know,
at this point I'm refraining from, you know, endorsing any
opinion or other. Hey, I mean, I think it would

(01:14:35):
be super exciting if it turned out that some of
these simulations are what's really there now. One of the
things in my studies of earth change I learned really
way back in the eighties with the first shuttle overflights
of the Sahara that were using ground penetrating radar that
was able to look below the thicks the sand layer

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that covered the Saharan desert, and what they found is
extremely eroded bedrock that had been eroded by huge volumes
of water, almost scabland like like the terrains I've been
looking at out in eastern Washington. Right, Okay, Now, most
of the Giza, most of the Giza Plateau is limestone. Well,

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limestone is erodible under water. Erodes. Calcium carbonate is dissolvable
in a water, particularly if it's got a if it's
somewhat acidic. Right, So, like north of here, Tennessee, Kentucky,
some of the most prolific cave systems in North America.
Why because it's all limestone. So when you have these

(01:15:43):
increased periods of rainfall, the pluvial events, I think you
have accelerated formation of cave systems. Well, there's no reason
to assume that there wouldn't also be cave systems, and
probably in some cases enormous ones under the Giza Plateau.
Now we do know this that the Nile River Valley

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is like a gigantic almost a slot canyon. You know,
I don't know if you've been to Egypt, but if you,
if you get it, it'd be worthwhile to go. And
if you do, walk over to the eastern rim of
the Plateau and look out over the Nile Valley, which
is a verdant you know, it's agricultural, it's flat. There's
an embankment, you know, on the other side, three or

(01:16:28):
four miles on the other side, and you've got two
very distinct range. If you look at it in Google Earth,
what you're going to see. It's all brown and desert
on both sides. And then the Nile Valley is green
because of the water that's coming out of the Ethiopian
Highlands and flowing north into the Mediterranean. Well, there was

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an event that occurred around five I think it was
five point two million years ago called the Messinian Salinity Crisis,
And what this involved was a complete desiccation or evaporating
away of the Mediterranean Sea, which in some cases is

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like nine thousand feet deep right like just off like
the eastern basin of the Mediterranean, just north of the
mouth of the Nile is nine maybe ten thousand feet deep.
I don't know the explanation. I don't know if anybody
does their speculation, but whatever caused the whole Mediterranean to
dry up, and there was a dam across apparently across

(01:17:34):
what is now the Straits of Gibraltar. Well, at some
point that dam broke loose, and it was what they
called the Zanclean flood, where we had this as much
as one hundred million cubic meters per second pouring in
it just inconceivably huge volume of water. I mean, now

(01:17:54):
we're talking flows that are on the scale of some
of the largest flows estimated to occur on Mars. Okay.
But now you have this Xantlean flood rushing in. But
when the Mediterranean dried up and the water level went down,
what happened. You had the ancestral Nile flowing north and
the ancestral Nile was now cutting down to match the

(01:18:18):
discharge the elevation of the discharge point, right, So what
has happened, and it was probably augmented by enormous floods
coming north. In fact, there's evidence that there have been
enormous floods with maybe the capacity of the Nile was
carrying ten or more one hundred times the current carrying
capacity of the Nile River. Okay, so that would accelerate downcutting.

(01:18:42):
In any case, if you were to go to the
Giza plateau and go immediately to the Nile River, what
you're looking at is the top of a of a
sedimentary column of material that was deposited. A lot of
that material was backwashed when this is zan clean flood
rushed in, rushed to the eastern sector of the Mediterranean,

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and then backwashed up a canyon that was eight thousand
feet deep. That's half again as deep as Grand Canyon.
And if you were to remove the sediment, the backwashed
sediment from the Nile Canyon, you'd be standing there looking
into a canyon eight thousand feet deep. I mean literally

(01:19:29):
right there, a few hundred yards from the Giza Plateau. Now,
if you can have that much erosion or that much
material removed from bedrock, yeah, it's to me it's not
outrageous to speculate that you might also have large caves
and caverns under the whole plateau system. Now, is it

(01:19:49):
also to outrageous to speculate that humans might have accessed
those systems. No, I don't find that particularly outrageous. I mean,
it makes sense, but I'm still withholding any opinion until
I learned more. But let's make three assumptions here. One
natural cavern systems on a impressive scale could exist within

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the Giza Plateau.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Secondly, could we speculate that humans were somehow able to
access those cave systems? Third once having access to them,
could they have done anything to occupy them and to
then utilize them in some faction or another Doom something new,

(01:20:46):
build something there. And the answer is that, well, okay,
each one of those is plausible. It's not out of
the question that there could have been some type of
an engineering project. But honestly, I don't know. I'm excited
about it. I'm waiting to see we course need to

(01:21:06):
have The thing that convinced people, I think is when
we finally have access to it and we can get
in there and record what we actually find. But I
don't know. I mean, there are skeptics in our believers,
and I'm kind of in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Fair Enough, Randall, you've been doing this, Randall Night, as
you said, forty years since you were eighteen, and I
have to believe that you've seen a shift in society
meaning of their hunger for this information, because when you
first started coming out and when Randall and Night, Randall Graham,

(01:21:43):
Eric Vaughananakin, thank you when they started, all of you
started to talk about this, you were you know, just
this is insane, You're crazy, all in a and it's slowly,
but surely the public has opened their minds up, they're
consciousness and raided to be able to not only accept
a lot of these ideas, but to also jump in

(01:22:05):
and go, well, wait a minute, what did happen that pay?
What did happen in those eighteen years? For Jesus, you know,
what did happen on these questions? But there seems to
be a hunger now for the truth not just in
what you do, but the truth in every place, for economic, food, religion,

(01:22:26):
all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
What you take on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Where we're going, where our consciousness is going, because it
seems to be opening up and rising to a higher
level to allow this kind of information in. And you've
seen that, assuming you've seen that throughout your career.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I kind of I've said frequently written about that. I
think we're kind of at a crossroads right now. I
am researching the concept of resiliency. How did ancient cultures
adapt and survive? How did they go under to the
forces that were out of their control? And recently I've

(01:23:03):
been looking at some of the cultures of Western America,
particularly in the region of Utah, Nevada, because having just
been out there, but there is you know, I mentioned
Lake Bonaville. Well, Lake Bonneville was the largest of these lakes,
but there was Lake Lahontan, which was a close second,

(01:23:24):
and many many other lakes. Right. Well, we now know
that there were people inhabiting. The ancestors, the Paiute tribes
and the Shishon tribes lived out there, and they've got
traditions that go back. They tell stories of when their
ancestors were living on the shores of this great lake, right,
and that the mountains were covered with glaciers. Well, that's

(01:23:47):
in their cultural heritage. That's in part of their stories,
their ancestral stories. Well, okay, so have they've been handing
down oral traditions about their ancestors living on the shores
of a great lake when the Sierra Mountains were you know,
mantlin and glaciers. Well, you got to go back eleven, twelve,
thirteen thousand years there, right, and so they have maintained

(01:24:11):
all along that. Yes, our oral traditions do go back
that far. And then in nineteen forty there was a
cave a couple of a man and wife archaeologists. Team
found a cave it's now called Spirit Cave, which would
have been right at on the western shoreline of Lake Lahonta,

(01:24:32):
this great lake, and they went in there and they
discovered some burial remains. There was an intrusive burial that
was probably dated between fifteen hundred and two thousand years ago,
and then there was another burial underneath it that was
actually preserved as a mummy, right, And they assumed that

(01:24:52):
that these two were roughly the same age, and they
estimated that the date of this burial was fifteen hundred
to two thousand years ago. Well, then radio carbon dating
came along and they were able to This was in
nineteen forty, so the remains of the mummy went into
a museum and actually for a while was in a
circus and displayed as the oldest man in America. Right,

(01:25:15):
But that was fifteen hundred to two thousand years old, right.
So now fast forward to nineteen ninety six, ninety seven,
they radio carbon dated the thing and the burial stuff
that was with him turned out to be over ten thousand,
seven hundred years old. Boying, Okay, So that completely changed
the equation of who this guy was. Well, then the

(01:25:36):
piute Choshon tribe comes for and said he's our ancestor, right,
we call him the storyteller, right, and and they were like,
get out of here. You know that's ridiculous. Well, then
fast forward, I think about two thousand and four, after
a couple of years of controversy and back and forth,
the piut Chashon tribe was trying to they wanted to

(01:25:58):
repatriate the remains and rebury them. Scientists were pushing for
let's do a DNA analysis, and finally the tribes agreed
to it, and they did a DNA analysis and guess what.
It showed a genetic sequence from the storyteller ten thousand,

(01:26:18):
seven hundred eleven thousand years old down to the modern tribes.
So what that now does is it seems to support
the conclusion that here was an oral tradition that existed
since the Ice Age. Well, a lot of the like
I know, criticisms that Graham Hancock myself had received talking

(01:26:39):
about Atlantises as well. They say Plato says it was
a tradition in their sacred registers that went nine thousand
years and that we know that couldn't happen. So therefore
the story of Atlantis's bogus, I mean, that's essentially the logic.
But I don't buy that logic. So I think the
takeaway is this, we now see that there's evidence of now,

(01:27:02):
so the question then becomes, what did this tribe, What
did these people, these indigenous people do? What sort of
strategies of life did they have to adapt to in
order to preserve a tradition for eleven thousand years? Which
then raises the question of resiliency. And I think that's

(01:27:24):
what comes down to where we're at today. You know,
I think we're right now burdened under massive you know,
as a builder, I've seen over the last twenty thirty
forty years how much more complicated it has become because
you have to navigate through layers upon layers of bureaucracy.

(01:27:46):
We've seen the bureaucratic response to these awful floods in
western North Carolina last October. We've seen very similar what
happened in the Hill Country of Texas. Right bureaucratic, and
what we see is local people spontaneously organizing and doing
what needs to be done bypassing. My argument is that

(01:28:10):
we have to really look at strategies of adaptability and resilience,
and we are passively allowing ourselves to get straight jacketed
by bureaucracies on all these levels. America was founded to
create a place where people could be free of oppressive government.

(01:28:32):
A minimalist government was set forth into constitution, and that
has been completely betrayed. People need to come and recognize
that the political sector, in order to enhance their own power,
has hijacked academia has hijacked the education system. And this
is one of the things now where I'm turning my
attention to. And we could do another podcast to discuss

(01:28:54):
this about where I think we need to do. I
think education is going to be re education, opening people
to these greater possibilities. Back in the early nineties, I
got tapped to do some presentations to a group of
kids that were being homeschooled. They had come up in

(01:29:15):
the Waldorf system, and in those days in Atlanta, the
Waldorf school only went to eighth grade. So kids that
had been in the Waldorf system of education for eight
years had now graduated from that, and what were their choices,
go to private school or go to public school. So
a group of the Waldorf parents got together and they

(01:29:37):
organized a wall. They called it the Waldorf Outreach Program.
They rented a room and a church. They hired a
guy that I knew, a friend of mine named Bradley,
and he became the main lesson instructor. And they would
have anywhere from five to ten kids that would meet
in these classes, and it was almost like almost one

(01:29:58):
on one instruction. And he would bring in sub teachers,
subcontractors if you wanted to call them that. He tapped
me to come in into a program in geometry. I
think it was this March of nineteen ninety five. I
went in there and I did two weeks, and I
combined that I used art to teach geometry.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
And I did two weeks with these kids. I think
I only did four or five actual classes with them.
We're at the end of the two weeks. Hey, Bradley,
this was fun. Thanks for the opportunity to do this.
I had been lecturing and teaching grown ups, but I
had never done programs for kids before. Well. Then a
few days ago by he calls me and he wanted
He said the kids were wondering if you'd be willing

(01:30:51):
to come back and do more. They had were having
so much fun, and I thought in my work was
a little slow at the time, so he said sure.
So I ended up actually finishing out the year, and
then over the summer I started getting all these calls
from the word was getting around that these kids were
having a good, a really fun time learning math right

(01:31:12):
because I combined math with art right. So I got calls,
started getting calls over the summer, and I ended up
doing these organizing these classes for fifteen years and had
some amazing things happen in there, getting to know these kids,
kids that had been homeschooled, dollar life, kids that were
coming in from public school because they couldn't adapt to

(01:31:35):
public school. You know. We had one group of three
boys we entered a national science fair contests that had
I don't know, twenty or thirty thousand contestants in it.
We got second place nationally and I got a nice
certificate for it, and then I got an award for
Outstanding Scientific Education for Children. So ever, since they're marinating

(01:31:57):
in the back of my mind was I saw the
the dramatic contrast because at the same time in the
nineties and early two thousands. When I'm doing this is
when school is just locking down and becoming authoritarian. Now
you know police roaming the halls with dogs, smelling the
locker rooms, you know, security checkpoints going in and out.

(01:32:19):
And I began, how's it come to that? I thought
it was bad when I was, you know, in school
in the sixties, it's ten times worse now. And you
see kids coming out, can't read, they don't know their history,
they can't do simple I mean, it's pathetic. Now there
are kids because I'm working with young some young people
in their twenties and early thirties now that you know,

(01:32:41):
obviously have graduated since then, that are outstanding and have
somehow had this natural immunity to this indoctrination. It is
dumbed the rest of the students down. I think. So
what I'm doing now is I'm in fact, I'm going
up on Saturday to look at a piece of land
up in Tennessee were there's a group of us that
have kind of come together, people that I've worked with

(01:33:03):
for years, some of them successful in business, some of
them now retired semi retired, who really want to do
something like this, and we're looking at creating a school.
And I put a whole prospectus together what this school
would do, what it would teach, what it's pedagogy would
look like, because it alarms me that, as I mentioned,

(01:33:27):
I grew up in rural Minnesota, so I could go
out at night and I could look up from the
time seven eight years old, I could find the Big Dipper.
I knew the North Star. I could see the Milky
Way galaxy. We lived on the shores of a lake,
so you know, I have memories of being seven years
old fishing in my backyard while my older brother's cooking
up the fish there, and we had a fish fry.

(01:33:48):
Our nearest neighbors were farms, so we got all our
fresh eggs, our chicken, everything from typically within a mile
of where we lived. My mother had huge garden, so
she was canning, she was pickling. It was really almost paradise.
Didn't I took it for granted back then. But I
got exposed from very early on to the outdoors, the

(01:34:11):
natural world. And now we have studies showing and I've
concluded these studies in my prospectus. We have studies now
that show that kids that are raised with regular exposure
to nature literally have structural changes in their brains to
differentiate kids that are not being exposed to nature. And

(01:34:32):
the practical outcome of this is dramatic in that statistically
we can look at the two groups. A group of
young people that have been raised so that they've had
regular exposure to nature, the sky, the green spaces, flowing water,
compared to like a strictly urban group. In this group,
here you've got more rates, higher rates of depression, more suicides,

(01:34:55):
more addictions, more divorces, right down the line on the line,
and now brain scans are showing there are literally structural
changes that occur through the exposure to the natural realm.
So I want to combine academics with outdoor programs. I

(01:35:15):
think that's where we need to go. When I was
doing my organizing these classes, I would teach geometry or trigonometry,
and I would regularly bring the students to my projects
where we're applying this knowledge, and I would get them
to actually help me solve problems. And that could range

(01:35:35):
from cut and fill problems like how much material do
we have to excavate here to do these footings? And
why do we have to have footings. Why are they
called footings, Well, they're like your feet. Imagine that at
the bottom of your legs, you didn't have feet, you'd
fall over, wouldn't you. Well, when we build a house,
we have footings, and we have to engineer those footings.
And I would get the kids literally to use the

(01:35:59):
mathematics that we were studying in the classroom to go
out and solve. I taught trigonometry by teaching kids how
we designed and built roof systems. Which are you know?
I said, every carpenter knows rise over run. You know
if you go up stairs, and there was stairs in
the church we were meeting, I says, you've got the

(01:36:19):
rise and you've got the run. Right, Well, if you
have too much rise compared to run, you're probably going
to fall down the stairs. If you've got too low,
then your stairs are going to be really long and
you may not have rooms. So what you're looking for
is a rise over run. Here's a ratio. Let's say
rise seven a run eleven, So seven over eleven, which

(01:36:40):
actually happens to be very close to the pyramid angle.
But then I would show them that and we would
design a staircase in the classroom, and then I would
take them out to the job site and say, here
it is being built. Right, this is how I think
you need to teach because because what's happened is you
in public school and you get what fifty five minutes

(01:37:03):
the bell rings, you have to stop what you're doing,
You get up, you go to another class, and you
have no consistent comprehension of how does this class relate
to what I just did.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
How does it relate to anything, how does it relate
to anything like anything whatsoever?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Like I went.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I mean, I had such a tough time in school
until I went to college. And then in college I
started to learn more. But yeah, classes I wanted to
learn about. And then I you know, got straight a's
and I was in Dean's List and all that. But
in high school I barely made it. Yeah, so numbing
for me. It was insane that look, we could go
down that road for another five hours.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Trus me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
I have children, I get it completely getting. It's funny
because my kid, one of my kids, I think she
was like eleven at the time, came to me. She's like,
look at this picture, and it was a picture of
a classroom in eighteen eighty five and she goes, look
at my classroom, nothing has changed. And I'm this an
eleven year old. So the generation coming up now looking

(01:38:05):
at things so differently and demanding things change, which is
so you know, reassuring your heat. You know that there's hope.
It gives me hope that things will change because as
new generation is demanding those changes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, and you know, the rule I've read is that
you know, all it requires is about twenty percent. If
you're twenty percent of the people get on board with
a social change, it can happen. Happen right now. And
so the two big things education and the media. And
this is to me, the encouraging thing about media is

(01:38:40):
what you and I are doing right here. Correct, We're
bypassing the monopoly of mainstream media. Correct, and we are
growing exponentially. We're able to explore alternative ideas, alternative information
without without the filters that are being imposed on mainstream media.
I saw a sent to interview between who was it?

(01:39:02):
It was one of the talking heads, Scott Hort. Scott
Hort he wrote a book called Provoked where he goes
into the whole history of you know, Ukraine, US involvement NATO, Russia,
you know all of that, right, dance five hundred page
with a couple of maybe a thousand or more references
in there, and he's interviewing with this talking head. Talking

(01:39:26):
head would ask him a question and he would start
putting out information and I mean, he'd done his homework
and he's making way too much sense. And if you
watch it, you'll notice two things. One, he was never
allowed to finish his thought. Second, you could constantly see
the interviewer doing this. He's there, he's like, well, well,

(01:39:48):
so what do you think about this? And then he'd
interrupt him. And then the next thing he's doing is
he's you go, yeah, he's looking at the paper he's
got on his desk. There there's the talking points that
he's supposed to be hitting. The whole thing is is
a gigantic fraud. But I think it's it's crumbling, it's
it's on its way out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
and now back to the show. It's I mean, look,
if you look at these huge shows you know that
are doing these kind of conversations around the world, there's
a lot of amazing shows with massive audiences. Yes, figure

(01:40:29):
much in mainstream. My show gets better ratings than CNN
or any of the US networks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
I love hearing that, but it's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
I mean, And I'm not a I'm a i'm a
decent sized show, but I'm I'm not Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
You know, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Joe dwarfs their entire network with one episode.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
It's insane, insane.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
So it is definitely shifting. It is definitely definitely shifting,
and uh it's hopeful, it really is hopeful for uh change, Randall.
I can keep talking to you. I know you got
to go. Uh we're can people find out more about
you and the amazing work you're doing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
Probably the simplestest I've got. I had to spend five
hundred dollars to buy my name from a plumber in Alabama.
That was pretty cheap. Yeah, it was. I was. I
was expecting more than that because I thought my name's
worth more than five hundred dollars, right, But uh so
I bought that. So I've got Randall Carlson dot com.
I keep my name. You know, hey, my friend Graham

(01:41:25):
Graham Hancock dot com. I'm gonna I'm gonna do like
he does. Randall Carlson dot com also howtube dot com.
I'm gonna send you a short bio. Uh, whatever you
want to do with it, throw it out or edit
it or just whatever. It's probably longer than you'd want
to use, but yeah, it kind of goes in a
little bit into my background in history and uh, and

(01:41:48):
then the two but the two links that I think
will get you to most everywhere you need to go
is Randall Carlson dot com and howtube dot com. I'm
partnering with them, and they are an internet platform. It's
pretty much. I partnered with them because they were very
much pro education and helping to catalyze a major evolution

(01:42:09):
in how we educate young people in this country. So
I partnered with them about five years ago, six years
ago when they were just beginning to launch. And so
those would be the two places. Let's see. So the
podcast I do now is called Squaring the Circle, which
is a geometric metaphor, and also let's see how To.

(01:42:30):
Here's how I would describe it. An independent video hosting
platform dedicated to free speech and sharing knowledge across a
broad spectrum of categories.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Beautiful, beautiful, Randall, thank you so much for coming on
the show. I look forward to our next conversation, hopefully
in studio.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
I think, well, yeah, I would love that deep down there.
I've got a double reason to get out there again.
But you know, I spend a lot of time. I
may be going out to Arizona to do a con
conference coming up, I think in February, So I've got
a choice of flying, or I may drive. If there's
enough places to stop along the way and I can

(01:43:09):
get away for an extra four or five days. I'm
probably gonna drive, but anyways, there will be an opportunity
for me to join you in the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
I appreciate you, my friend, and thank you again so
much for all the hard work you've done all these
years that you've been doing it and fighting that good fight,
and I appreciate everything you're doing to help awaken this planet,
my friends. So thank you again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Thanks Alex. I enjoyed every minute of our conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
I'd like to thank Randall so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
show notes at next level soul dot com. Forward slash
six two four. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you,
there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely
commercial free on Next Level Soul TV's app, where Soul

(01:43:53):
meets streaming. Watch and listen on Appleios, Android, Apple TV, Ruku,
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time anywhere. Begin your awakening at Next Levelsoul dot t V.
Thank you so much for listening. As I always say,
trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see

(01:44:16):
you next time.

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