NLS 625: FALSE DOCTRINES You’ve Believed Your Whole Life! BIBLE Was REWRITTEN to CONTROL Us ALL! with John Davis

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your awakening. Now let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views
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they represent. Now, today we welcome back one of my
favorite guests of all time, John Davis. John and I

(01:43):
sit down for an epic conversation in studio about not
only Jesus's true teachings, but how Paul's teachings are actually
what's in the Bible and not Jesus's teachings, what Rome
did and how the Bible was constructed, and so so
much more. This is a fun and explosive conversation, guys,

(02:04):
so let's dive in. I like to welcome back to
the show, returning champion John Davis.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
How you doing, John, Alex, I'm so happy to be here.
I'm doing great, and I'm more excited and even better
now because I'm in the Next Level's whole studios.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh, I appreciate you flying out, man. It has been
a long time coming, ever since I opened this we're
just trying to figure out the time for you to
get down here.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So we've talked about it the question.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So we appreciate you coming man, and every time we
get together, people love it.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I love it as well. I love it as well.
And for people who have not heard our other conversations,
which are fairly epic, they go deep down the rabbit hole,
can you talk tell everybody a little bit about who
you are and what brought you here quickly?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I'll give you the Reader's digest version for everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Who knows who whoever knows what reader Digest is, right right?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, I just I just aged myself very much.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Thank you. So.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was raised as a young Catholic boy and in
the late nineties I started having psychics come out of
the blue and simply tell me that I had a
past life where I walked with Jesus, and being a
young Catholic boy, I denied it immediately and I did
my best not to have that experience be something that

(03:19):
I took into myself because it was just not in
alignment with what I believed at the time. But as
time went on, there was it just kept happening I
had nineteen different people walk up and tell me that
I had the reincarnation life of John the Beloved, and
I was like finally, I was like done. I don't
want to be the guy who thinks he's Napoleon, you know,

(03:44):
you know, I don't want to be that guy. And
what happened was is I said, finally, I said, I
don't want to hear any more psychics tell me this
stuff anymore. I said, you give me a direct sign
if that's what you want me to know. And a
guy gave me a book called Edgar Casey on the Millennium,
and the book said, John the Beloved will again be
named John, Edgar Casey said in nineteen forty three, which

(04:04):
prompted me to get a past life regression. And in
that past life regression, I remembered meeting the guy that
I called Jeshua Ben Joseph and and learning from him,
and I remember the life of John the Beloved. And
so that's the reader's digest version.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, And if you want to go deeper down that
rabbit hole, you go watch the other shows, guys, because
it's we go really deep into that and the trials
and tribulations. How you came out public, but you were
already a not a Carny, but a Rennie Rennie because
you used to do Renaissance fair, so you're you're an artist.
You're out there, you know. And what I always find

(04:40):
funny is a friend of mine, Kyle, just did a
skit I saw the other day which was hilarious about
about past life regressions and like, I was Joan of
Arc and then he's like, wow, out of trillions of options,
you happen to be a famous one, and the other
one was like, yes I was, and gets calm. I'm like,
he's like a so you always hear things like that, yep,

(05:02):
and it's you know it, It's like it was Cleopatra.
I'm like that I was probably the guy cleaning up
the crap behind the horses of Cleopatra's probably where I was.
But it's always fascinating to me people who have these
past life aggressias and their famous So I like the
way that you've kind of like really fought up against
it for a while.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
And I fought against him for several reasons. One because
my mom had her master's Grand liturgy, had a little
turgical doctrine at our Catholic Church. Wow, So to fight
against that kind of Catholic upgringing is tough. But you
know it's so interesting is now that I've done this
for so long, I've met multiple people who think they're John.
I've met multiple people who think they're Mary and Jesus

(05:41):
and Judas, and I've met over thirty women who think
they're Mary Magdalene. And what I've come to realize is
we don't know what reincarnation is. You know what reincarnation
may be is we all may just be tapping into
the ononeness of God. Because if I was to say
that they're wrong, then I would be the hypocrite. I'd
be the ones saying because I'm saying the same thing, right. So,

(06:01):
I think it only mattered, doesn't matter who anybody was
in a past life at all, including myself. I think
it only matters who you are in the only moment
you're conscious, which is your present moment. And so to me,
it's it's all about who are you now, not who
were you then?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, It's just it's kind of like looking back at
your own life right now, like you know who you
were at twenty right right? Very different human being than
the sitting in front of us, right hair. I know,
wasn't that amazing?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
It was everywhere? But you know what this isn't a
bald head. This is a solar panel for a love machine.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
There it is this. You wear it well, sir, thank you,
thank you. Mine are still holding on tight. But the
line is wavery.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Slow retreat.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Huh no, it's not. No, the back retreated already, the
front lines holding. I think the front line will hold
if my father's any indication.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
In my comedy show, my partner started to get a
bald spot and one day he used to tease me
about my hairline. And one day I spun him around.
I said, this show is brought to you by the letter.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh that's funny.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Hey, you got a good laugh out of it.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
But no, but looking back at who we were, I mean, it's,
you know, trying to I don't know, I don't know
about you. I've found I found myself recently going back
to uh, really looking at nostalgia, looking at the eighties
and the nineties, which was my golden period. I was
a kid in the eighties and in the nineties I
was in my twenties essentially, and going back I've heard

(07:30):
some people call it peak humanity. I don't believe that.
But then it was before social media, was before you know,
easy access to you know, pornography and all these kind
of things that just are everywhere now, and it's influenced
humanity so so much. The nineties was that time that
it was the right before also the time in the nineties.

(07:50):
A lot of crap happened the nineties, but financially in
the US Great decades, Yeah, great decade it was. It
was really I found myself looking back at that kind
of stuff because I'm I don't know, we're all getting older, man.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, we look back with nostalgia.
But you know, the interesting thing about that is the
past is also not only where those triumphs were, but
a lot of your regrets and your and your struggles
of life aires and you go back and you have
to overcome that because that subconscious belief from that past
experience can permeate into your president if you allow it, right,

(08:24):
and so it's a matter of breaking free of that
cycle as well.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now, speaking of going back, let's go back a while.
There's this guy named Joshua Troublemaker. He was he was
a troublemaker everywhere he went. They kicked him out pretty
quickly because he's just started challenging everybody in the everybody,
everybody and everybody, Yeah, or in the town, if you will.
I wanted to go back because you know, you and

(08:50):
I are both recovering Catholics, as we like to we
like to joke, and you know, the Catholic doctrine and
the Bible and all of that. So many people look
at that blindly. They just look whatever they were given.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Absolutely, they just believe it. They're told to believe it,
and so they believe it, and not the question right,
and not the question. In fact, when they question, they
are literally cast out. I can't tell you how many
people have told me that when they were kids, they
were questioned and they were punished for questioning.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Isn't that insane?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Insanity in Santa like?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So, what happened between the ages of twelve and thirty?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
What happened to those ages? Where's that question come right?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Happen? We don't talk about that? Why don't we talk
about that? That's the most interesting time of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And when you talk to a Hindu, they'll tell you
that he was shri Lisa, Yes, who, and that was
the time he was there. They also will tell you
that after the crucifixion he collected his wife and came
back and raised children there exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
And that's I've had that many many mystics have told
me that as well. Where the resurrection wasn't It wasn't
the way they portrayed it. He did come back, but
he actually came back in the physical form.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, well, n can I talk about that, because I'll
tell you when all those psychics were telling me about
my past life.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
The second the second session was with the first reader
who told me I had two readings in a row
with her, and it was the first like she was
the first psychic I've ever had a reading from ever
because I was not into that because I was a Catholic.
It's a devil's work, right right. So the second session
we actually did it on a beach and capan up
in State Park in Delaware and where she's doing this

(10:37):
thing and all of a sudden her demeanor change. She
began a full channeling on the beach and she says,
do you see me, And I knew she didn't mean
to see her, and I said no, because I'm being defiant.
Of course, she's closed your eyes and see, which just
sounds so aesthetical to seeing, right. But I closed my

(10:58):
eyes and it was like my eyes open up somewhere else.
It was like as I closed my eyes, I was
having a full sense of awareness of being lying on
my face in the sand, and my hands weren't down
in front of me, and I looked down on my hands,
and I could see things falling and hitting my hands.
And I looked up and right above me was feet,
and I looked at the feet, and I looked upward

(11:19):
and Jehua was standing there laughing at me. Right. Well,
I had no idea what that moment was. Many years
later I had a full recollection of that moment. It
was after he died on the cross. It was to
him physically standing in front of me. The reason I
fell on my face is because I was seeing him
in the physical and I thought he was.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Dead, right as one would, right.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Right on your face, right. And he laughed at me,
Because what are you doing right now? When you look
at the concept of the resurrection? If you study Hinduism
and all you're gonna find story after story of gurus
who project their consciousness and manifest their body. Yes, and
I think that's what Joshua did. I think that he
projected his conscious and elsewhere and then manifested his body around.

(12:02):
Which is why in the Bible when when the ladies
see him after the death of the first time, he says,
don't touch me. I'm not fully informed yet. Basically he's
still coming back into the physical.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
And and and so many people have said that that
Jesus was a master yogi. Hmm, that he was a
master yogi. He learned all the yoga in India and
he just evolved to a full blown master.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
See what's interesting about to me? I said, I think
jeshuas studied all of it, and I think he but
I think he he simplified it. He brought it down
into a more simple form.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
He's the Bruce Lee. He is the Bruce Lee because
he takes a little bit of the kumfui, moving to
the karate, a little bit of the judo, and put
it all but the simple the things that worked right right.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And what was so interesting is when I did had
my regression one of the things I came out of
my regression with was was this one simple phrase it
was it's also simple. We have a hard time comprehending it,
and that simplicity itself becomes the struggle because what Jeshua
spoke of is the power within the Kingdom of Heaven
is within you, is your faith that heals you. No

(13:12):
greater works than I've done, you will do. He talks
about you having the power within. But the hardest people
that we harden not the hardest people. The hardest thing
that people have today is accepting their own divinity, accepting
that they are. They have that power because they're told
by religions, But both old and new even New Age
ideologies are putting things ahead of you to chase. It's

(13:34):
all about this one present moment that you have, being
the moment that you have the ability to create anything,
because you are a reflection of your belief. Your experience
is a reflection of belief. Hinduism, the Baga Aghida says
thought by thought you for your destiny. Therefore, to keep
your mind on the positive rather than the negatives considered
the austerity of the mind. It's about that concept of

(13:55):
thought by thought because when Moses asked the burning bush
when his name was, is that I am that I am,
not I will be that I will be, or I
was that I was I am than I am. Right,
it's the present moment. Believe in the present moment. Declaration.
But that declaration means that you have to be divine
enough to declare, and most people don't declare because they

(14:18):
believe that they're not worthy, which is what Christianity and
a lot of religions will tell you. Original sin, original sin,
which is a third century addition to the Bible. It's
not even biblical, which we.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Will get into.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes, yeah, and actually that was Augustinea did that one.
Augustine did that. Augustine added that in the third century,
Paul added a bunch of junk two which what he
added was a bunch of Phariseic beliefs, which was not
what Jeshua taught it at all.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Well, really quickly, let's go back into that time period.
So you know, Joshua dies and then resurrects either way
whichever way you whatever way you believe it, he finished,
He finished at that time according to where it was,
so he was crutified. It was three hundred years ag later.
It took hundreds of years, hundreds of years for his
teachings to kind of gain speed. And then there was

(15:08):
the Gnostics and the Rosicrucians.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Whereis came up through with the other.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Ones the Gnostics, there were.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
The Coptic teachings.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, and then there was another I think it was
the Gnostics, but there might have been another group. There
was a bunch of true believers who really stuck with
the original teachings.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, let's talk about that, okay, okay, So all of
the writings that we have, be they Gnostic, be they biblical,
be they scripture, be they Paul's writings are documented to
be somewhere between seventy and two hundred years after the Crucifixion,
written by Greco Roman Christians with the Messianic agenda to teach,
to teach this belief in that Jesus was the Messiah.

(15:51):
I'm using where Jesus purposely here we came up with
that idea. It wasn't until Paul.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
It was Paul also one that created the divine, the
divine aspect of absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
He says, he says, your salvation is the death and
resurrection of Jesus, and so he basically took some Messianic ideas. Now,
over the course of time, the various sects of Abraham
and I'm going to say it's Abrahamic religion, you know
it be it Judaism, Christianity, you know, in various forms

(16:20):
of Christianity. They all started saying they were the right way, right,
and and the word Catholic is a Greek word that
means universal, means we are the only way, but right right,
So isn't that crazy? But he But what's interesting about
that is they retroactively went back and took the stories

(16:40):
and made them the universal Church. So Peter being the
first pope of the Catholic Church, there was no Catholic
Church until actually officially there wasn't a Catholic Church until
the between the sixth and seventh century. Really, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
What was it between three hundred and four hundred five hundred.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
What was Christianity?

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was Christianity.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Christianity. The Catholic Church went back and retroactively created this
history to make them the universal Church.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
But isn't the Catholic Church just Rome?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well that's another part of that. Yeah, So so well,
I love that you brought that up. So Constantine. Constantine
was formalizing this church, and they had many counsels, and
Iicea being the first Nicea. They started codifying what Christianity was,
not Catholicism Christianity, and so to prove these stories were true,

(17:33):
he sent his mother to the Middle East to find
all the holy sites. Constantine Constantine sent his mother. She went,
and she she chose the Church of the Holy Sepulcher
where that is, she chose Mount Sinai. She chose all
these places. And guess what else happened to her. She
became the first saint of the Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Shocking.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, Helena of Constantinople. Saint Helena of Constantinople. That
said mom, right, So he said mom, and Mom went
off and all that.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Now, it's funny. I'm an very empathic kind of person.
I feel things very clearly. And I went to the
Church of the Holy Sepulcher and I'm walking through the
Church of the Holy Sepulcher and I'm not feeling a
darn thing, right. And the guy that I was traveling with,
he used to use me like a human barometer because
he know when I start to feel something there's something
about it. And he says, coul John, come with me.

(18:22):
I want to take you somewhere. And he takes me
out the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem and we're walking down
this and as I'm walking down there, I'm seeing like
military vehicles and guys from machine guns on and I
start getting nauseous and I start weeping. I literally start
crying as I'm walking down the road. And we turned
this corner and he says, let's go in here at
a little sign that says Garden Tomb. Do you know
what the Garden Tomb is? So the British Archaeological Society

(18:44):
says that the Church of the Holy Separcher is wrong
and that the actual crucifixion happened in this other area,
which is the Garden Tomb. They found this tomb complex
right next to a hillside that the locals called Golgotha,
which means skull hill, right, which is where the crucifixion happened.
So as I'm getting closer and closer to this, not

(19:07):
knowing where I'm going, I start weeping, I start crying.
I go into the place I see Golgatha and I
collapse because it was just the feeling of it was
so overwhelming. And then as we're right next to go
Gotha is the tomb complex. Well, historically Joseph of Aramathea
buried Jeshua in his personal tomb, which was right next
to Go Gotha. Well, they found a wealthy man's tomb

(19:27):
right next to Go Gotha. And I'm walking down this
staircase and for some reason, I can't turn my head
to the right, I can't look that way. And I
get to the bottom and I finally glance over, and
it was like this flood of memories of carrying Jeshua's body.
That literally three of us were carrying his body. And
I don't remember putting actually in the tomb, but they're

(19:49):
just memories of that carrying him. So I walked into
the tomb, and which many historians will tell you, oh,
it's a medieval tomb. It's this, it's that. I don't
care what they say. The feeling of it for me
was this was very much a place where this happened.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
and now back to the show. And I I.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Walked in and it was very interesting because you have
you have three slabs where bodies would have been laid out,
and there's a hole in the wall that shines light
on one, and there was a cross carved in the
sary raiders are lost, that spikes were coming. But what
was so interesting was when you read the actual historical

(20:41):
text when he was in the tomb, there was a
light shining in on him, and that one slab had
this light shining in through on him, which I thought
was really interesting. I didn't even know that until later
when I found that. But so to me when I
look at at we don't know a lot about the
early story of Joshua because the stories that we're told

(21:01):
nowadays are all based in Messianic agendas. They want to
make him a deity, they want to make him an idol,
they want to make him something to pray too.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So let's stop there for a second. Explain to people
why they wanted to create this divine being that was
as divine as all of us are. Right right, as
he said himself, that always everything I can do, you
can do, and more right exactly, you know, which goes
completely like as I'm saying it, I feel guilty because

(21:29):
I'm Catholic.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm a former Catholic Hell.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I'm damn to Hell now because they said things like this,
this whole conversation where damn to help.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I hate to tell you, but we can talk about
Hell too, because there's a I love about.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
I love talking about how Hell's fascinating. There's a show
I'm watching right now about ghosts everything ghost No, I haven't,
Oh my god, it's on CBS. It's genius. We'll talk
about it, but it's but there's hell in that, and
it's brilliantly done. My question is why were they creating
an idol where Jesus or Yeshua and we can talk

(22:04):
about Jesus and Yeshua in a minute as well. Why
they needed to create a deity where like a Buddha,
who is followed by billions of people around the world,
was never, to my understanding, never put up on the
pedestal of a deity.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
That would have been completely against Buddha's ideality.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Correct, well, it's also against Jesus.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Also against Christians and against Mohammad's as well.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, they didn't want to be worshiped. They were there
as examples of what can happen. So can you explain
to people why the powers that be decided to use
Jesus's story because he was arguably a nobody when he died.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Right right now, Yeah, he was. There was a crazy
itineran preacher who was speaking against not only religious authority,
but political authority.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And there's one mention in the Roman archives of Jesus,
one mention of like, and this dude named Jesus was crucified.
That's it, that's the sentence. You're right, So he wasn't
like and Jesus Christ was like none.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Of that, And all of my regressive memories, I didn't
hear one choir singer or any special light should turn
on when he walked into a room.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
No, that's just us.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That's in our own minds.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But can you explain to people why the powers that
be decided to grab onto him and start pushing thesea.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, it's actually a really fascinating historical story because let
me start with this quote from the Bible from Jeshua
supposedly right, and everything in the Bible's heresay because it
was all written so much later. But he said before
Abraham was I am. And people try to say he's
trying to say he was existence with God and he
was this Abraham at that time period was the representation

(23:45):
of the Judaic religion. When you said Abraham, you were
talking about religion. So before Abraham was I am, before
there was a religion, I am. What you have is
you have a construct of people who are trying to
marry this religion which is very much about an external
God as opposed to God being within. And so it
was their natural model of the time to pray without

(24:10):
pray outside of themselves and to look at idols, which
is why the Old Testament talks about your false idols
and all this stuff. But it was the natural inclination
of the time to actually look outside of themselves for
something divine. To say something was divine within you was
blasphemy and heresy. No one, because you're no one and
God is everything.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
The struggle was that Jeshua came along and said, no,
the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Ye are God's
in greater works than I have done, you will do.
It is your faith that heals you. He kept saying
all these things that were so empowering to the individual,
but that was completely against the idea of the religion
and the construct of the time. Render under Caesar that,
which is Caesar's right. That's saying, not only do you

(24:52):
not need religious authority, you don't need political authority. He's
literally saying, you know what you think about, this moment
is the creative element of everything, and you are the
pinpoint of creation. And when you look at it from
that perspective, people couldn't grasp that concept. It was what
we said earlier about people not being able to accept
their own divinity. They could not accept their divinity at
a time because they were told by not only the

(25:13):
Roman authority, but the religious authority that they were worthy
and subjugated, and so they took that idea. Now, once
you have these power structures of religion and social authority,
what you find very quickly is that none of those
work without without power, without giving them the power, and
so they start manipulating the power, right, they start creating

(25:37):
more and more the power. About original sin invented in
the third century by Augustine.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Augustine original sin, and.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
He took that moment and he created original sin. Why
do you have original sin?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Because you got this the chip stacked against you with
the second you walk into the playing field.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
So now let's you already Oh so original sin leads
you right into the first sacrament too in Catholicism. Right, well,
what is the first sacrament baptism? That why are you
doing that? Because we're going to save you from hell,
which is a Christian construct, right, and you have to
become a Catholic to be saved, so you get baptized

(26:19):
into the Catholic faith. So the first thing is you
have a sin so that we can recruit you into
the Catholic Church.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Now stop for there for a second baptism. The original
purpose of baptism, to my understanding, was to get people
away from animal sacrifices. And Jesus went to John the Baptist,
and John's like, hey, guys, you don't need to be
saved by you. Remember remember the whole thing when he
flipped up the the the cards inside the temple and stuff.

(26:47):
It was that big again, please correct me if I'm wrong.
To my understanding, was this big kind of like scam
that they were like, you need the bigger, the animal
that you sacrificed, the richer, you were right, right, And
they were selling you the animals and telling you if
you don't do it, you go to house. So it
was a great little hustle that.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And you know.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
What's interesting about baptism is there's no place in the
Bible that Jesus does Jeshua does a baptism. No, there's
not one. Right, but during that time period, both the
fair Well, the Pharisees, the Citizenes, and the scenes all
were doing ritual baa, the the scenes, they're all doing
ritual bathing.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right, we go to Camran, there's ritual bath chambers, right,
and it's all about this this this ritual bathing to
cleanse the spirit. And that's what baptism was, was this
judaic idea that you need to to cleanse the soul.
And Jeshua said, before Abraham was I am, Before there
was a religion that you needed to bathe yourself. And

(27:44):
but once again it becomes this ritual of baptism into
this faith, which now you've gone into the faith. So
we just run the gambit of of sacraments for a second.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
So and then I'll tell you my sacrament, my my confirmations.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh good, okay, okay, so we have you. Now you've
become a Catholic before you even had a chance to choose,
You've been baptized into the face absolutely right, you get
the first Communion, the next sacrament, and they go, hey,
let's make sure that this Catholicism thing is fun. Let's
have a big party and throw some ice cream and

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eat some cake and do something cool in the church
so that we all know that this is good for
this little kid. Then you get to the age of reason,
which is about thirteen, which in Judaism would be the
bar metzvah, the bat Metzvah. In Catholicism, it's confirmation.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Not nearly it's cool of a party, not nearly a
school as a party, it's a much cooler party.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, you gotta you get.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
A new name though, which is kind of cool, which
I'll tell you about it.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right. So, but right at the time where you start
to have cognitive reasoning, they come in and they say
you have to confirm your faith and Catholicism. They literally
tell you this is you have to confirm before you
can think too much. Confirm. Then you go into the
next one, which is marriage, the sacrament of marriage. But

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there's a there's a there's a twin to the sacra
of marriage. There's the Holy Orders.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I didn't know what's something.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, so Here's what happens is, if you have inclinations
for the opposite sex, you are supposed to get married
and have children with original sin to start that cycle again.
If you don't have inclinations for the opposite sex, you
have received the Holy orders and you are to become
a nun or a priest lovely. So the people who
don't have the inclination for the opposite sex get funneled
into the priesthood. And what do we have now, all

(29:31):
this all these stories issues issues, yes, issue, we'll just
say issues. Right. But you know, if God is loved,
like the Book of John says, which by the way,
it's best darn book in the Bible, thank you very wow,
if God has loved them, love in any form can't
be wrong. So this idea is that that they're told

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if they don't love the opposite sex that they have
to be funneled into the is antithetical to the teachings
of Jeshua all the way, because God is loved. So
but this so now you got that. Then after those
two ritual those two sacraments, you have the last rights. Now,
the last rights became a really big thing in the
Middle Ages. Oh yeah, because it was all about saying, hey,

(30:12):
if you don't give us your money, you're going to
hell and so on the last of the people. They
would funnel money into the church and that's why the
churches today have gold everywhere.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Talk about the Vatican.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy really. So what you see here
is starting with baptism. All it is is a cycle
of recruitment and a cycle of profit. Hearing and Joshua
said before Abraham was I am, which means none of
this theology which wasn't actually in the Bible. This is
all Christian theology or Catholic theology, you know, hundreds of

(30:48):
years later that are at it in that would be
the idolization of him. That they're making money off him
being the idol.

Speaker 1 (30:59):

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Him being the golden calf, as it were golden.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Of course, of course. So I just I've said the
story before, but it bears repeating because I haven't told
you this story in my confirmation story. So I'm in
Catholic Church and I'm already let's say off the reservation
have been for a minute. Even though I was going
to Catholic school. At the time, I was just like,

(31:34):
this makes no sense to me. Yeah, and adding the
teenage stuff then it's over. So I hear like my
mom was like, you have to be confirmed. I'm like,
what's what you have to get confirmed? You have to
do this and then you have to go to class.
I'm like, whatevs. Okay, sure, let's do it. And so
we go into it and then during the time, like
the nun turns to me, she's like, we all get

(31:55):
to choose our names. I'm like, I'm sorry, what, Yeah,
you get to choose your name and it's announced at
the confirmation. I'm like, accidents, accident. So then my friends
are like, you won't do it. I'm like, oh, I'm
don't do it. I was in eighth grade. Oh you're
gonna do it. I'm like, so I write my name, Mike,
my my religious confirmation name where the priest has to

(32:18):
recite it on front of the entire congregation.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
By divine law, you must read it. And I'm sitting there,
and the other one was like, and my friend beformers
like Abraham blah blah blah or you know, and they
chose these real biblical names, and they get to me
and you see the priests just go like you could
start seeing him, and he goes Bartholomewle Humperdink, Bartholomeule and

(32:45):
my my whole class start peeing themselves just that, and
you see the parents is faces like what who's Bartha?
And I'm dying and it was just the greatest bartholomewell Humperdink.
I just thought it was the most amazing name ever.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Oh that's amazing. I was boring. I took my grandfather's name,
you know, John Charles, James David.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I had fun with it.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
That is perfect, though. But you know what I love
about that, though, is they don't realize that you were,
You were living Jeshua's teachings in that moment, and you know,
and you know why because Jesshua was about being present
and fearless. And there's only one moment in life that
you're both present and fearless, and that's when you're truly laughing.

(33:32):
And when you're truly laughing, you're not thinking about your past,
you're not thinking about your future right there, and you're exhaling,
which is the release of fear. So you're being completely
present and fearless. So that laughter you gave you probably
gave him more God in that moment.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I never thought about that.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It's well, you know, it's it is so interesting because
that moment of laughter itself, there's no I'm getting goosebumps
talking about it, because that is that is what Jeshua
felt like. That's what he taught, and that's that's what
he was showing us was available within you. And you
took that even though you were It was a great
joke and I loved it and thank you for sharing. It.

(34:07):
Gave me a chance to have that feeling as well
right here in the studio because that moment of laughter
was actually the teaching.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
And Joshua had a pretty good sense of humor.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Huge sense of humor. Most of most of my regressive
memories of Joshua are of laughter of him and his wife.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well, that was and we'll talk about that. We're gonna
be here for hours. That was the one thing that
when we went over to Europe and we started going
to all these museums and stuff, is like, every time
you see Jesus, it's just so depressing. Oh yeah, it's
constantly he's bleeding, he's on the crucifix. He's like he's
all the time. Every once in a while we'd see like, oh,

(34:43):
look Jesus smiling. It was such a rare thing. They
just kept using this iconography.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Of iconography and idolatry. The idol of Christianity has become
the cadaver on the wall.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's all he is.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, it's a cadaver on the wall. And why would
you wear a cross representing his death and horrific torture
as opposed to his joy his feeling. Right, I remember,
like I said, lots of laughter, and I remember him
playing with children, sure, because children are you know, coming here,
flying here to come to meet you. I was in

(35:19):
the airport and I was sitting there at the gate,
and this woman walked by with a really surely look
on her face, and you can just see she was
in a bad mood. And right as she gets by me,
I see her spot a little girl who's just as
cute as can be. And I watched this surly person
break into a smile, and I'm like, that's that's so beautiful.

(35:40):
Because you know, in the Bible it says you must
become as a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Children don't have a past to live into or express from,
so they are just the purest essence of what God is.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's closer to the source than we are, just like.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Just like animals, you know, puppies and get getting you know,
we get giggly whant he. Empathic people are usually surrounding
themselves as animals because they feel the unconditional love asposed
to the conditions they feel from others. But this woman
saw this little girl, she instantly fell into this experience
of this little girl. But then she passed her, and
she went back to her surliness, and her face went

(36:19):
back to being a scowl and a little furrow between
her eyebrows. And it was so interesting to me because
the purity of that moment was lost on her. Because
this is what I call being a reaction zero instead
of an action hero. Right. You're you're you're you're having
this experience of life where you're where you're processing from
the stimulus of your past experience, and then you see

(36:41):
one moment that's just pure and present and you don't
even realize you're doing it, and you're having that experience,
and you know, Jesshua was all about the laughter because
that was where you found that pure experience of that
little girl. You know, that pure experience. And you know
I did a painting a while back. It's called Jeshua
and Ishti and Ishti. It's also called man and Wife.

(37:02):
There's two different titles on it. But it was the
memory of him having his wife Amram, and he called
her Ishty in one of my regressions. And the only
reason I referred to his wife is because the word
ishti in Hebrew mean's wife, so he referred.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
To his wife.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
But the painting I did was the two of them laughing,
because I did not want to have that somber look.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Law.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, it's the idol of the cadaver on the wall.
And to me, when I look at Jeshua, I think
of this man who laughed, who expressed, who loved, who
came to the Samaritan woman at the well, and he
didn't judge her for being a Samaritan, which would have
happened from a Jewish Man. He didn't judge her for
being a woman, which would have happened becoming from a
Jewish Man. He didn't, in any way, shape or form,
care that he was traveling on the Sabbath, which is

(37:49):
against you judaic law right. And then he told her
everything she ever did, which is basically a psychic reading,
which is against Leviticus right. He did everything posit of
what they said he could do because he was loving
that person, no matter what they were, who they were,
what they who they loved, anything. He was just being

(38:10):
the pure love in that moment, and that's what got expressed.
This woman got so excited she ran around town saying,
come see the man and told me everything I ever did.
She literally had a feeling of what pure love was.
You know what, in my very first regression, I'm walking
towards the crowd where he was and I could feel
his presence. I could feel and you hear it in
my regression. If you go, if you anybody's watching this,

(38:31):
you go to my channel. There's a video called two
Moments from my regression on there. One of them is
the moment I met Jeshua and the moment I crossed
over when he touched me, and then there's the moment
of witnessing him on the cross. They seemed grew crucified.
And I'm gonna warn any of you who watched that
video that if you watch that video the second part

(38:51):
of it, you're gonna hear me screaming and hear me
crying and going through the watching my friend being crucified.
But the first part of a feeling his presence as
you came up. The more fearless you are, the more
in the teachings of Jeshua you are in the way
you are because you know the Buddha says the secret
to enlightenment is the eradication of fear, and the Sufi say,

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the veil between you and God is your fear, and
your life is to struggle against the veil, and you
can overcome the veil.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well that's what j actually did. He just lived president
and fearless at all times, and you could feel it
from him. And that's what that child did in the
airport with that little girl. But I mean that that
girl did with that woman, she felt the presence.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I mentioned before that Rome didn't fall, It just
turned into the room. And I've said this before, I'll
say it again. When I was at the Vatican first
time in my life, I just it just for it.
Maybe I'm dense, but I'd never put together Roman Catholic

(39:55):
Church that was from Rome. I don't know why I
can never can connected Rome with the Roman Catholic.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Church again because I grew up with an Irish mother,
so we were the Irish Church, the Irish Catholic.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, so I just never connected Roman Catholic. And then
as I've spoken to many Rome experts, uh and mystics
and other people in that in the historical space, how
Rome all the money that Rome just just kind of
rolled it over into the IRA that is.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, the Roth IRA created the Vatican City for all
kinds of political tax reasons.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
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Speaker 2 (40:51):
Can I tell you a story. This is going back
to my when I was an altar boy and you
got out live. I got out alive and I wasn't
even never mind, we'll leave us straight alone. But my mom,
of course with her master Instergain liturgy, was we were
very very Catholic and as an altar boy, you know

(41:12):
I had to toe the line. Well. My mom was
also the organist and the choir director at church so
she played the organ for all of the masses on
the weekends. So I was going to be the altar
boy at the nine o'clock mass one Sunday morning. And
I woke up late, and oh no, I ran. I

(41:33):
ran upstairs, and I wolfed down a bowl of cheerios
and I ran out the back of my house. I
threw my bike over the back fence because that was
the fastest way to get to the church, and I
pedaled my buttle off all the way to the church.
And I got to the church and I walked into
the back and the priest looked at me over his
glasses disapprovingly. And I was the only one. There was
three alldiboards there that day, and I was the only

(41:54):
one who knew how to set everything up.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
So they were all waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
They're all waiting for me. I run in and I
start doing everything, start getting everything on. Boo boo boo
boo boo boom.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Get it.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I'm stressed out because I'm late. I know I'm in trouble.
The priest just gave me it. And the priest was
my mom's best friend, of course, right, so I'm like, oh,
stressed out. They take us around to the back. We
process in from the back. I'm carrying the cross right,
and we walk all the way to the front. We
sit down, start doing the service. So then my brother
does what my brother was on the altar doing the readings.

(42:24):
He does the reading, does the second reading. Then comes
time for the sermon, right, and you have to stand
for the sermon. Yes, So I'm standing. I'm standing there
on the altar and the lights are shining down on me,
and I start to sweat, and I start to get

(42:45):
this water feel filming in the back of my mouth,
and I start to feel my cheerios start to erupt.
And I'm standing there and I'm like trying not to
not to vomit on the altar. And I'm sitting there
and I and it's getting worse and worse and worse
and worse, and I know I'm not so I can't
puke on the altar. That's terrible. It's a horrible thing

(43:06):
to have happened. You're gonna go to Hell if that happens.
Per It's like straight on through, You're going to Hell,
right right, And so what did I do? I felt
I started to throw up and I caught the upcoming
attraction in my hands. And I'm holding this in my
hands and now I'm standing on the altar with a
handful of cherios, right and I'm looking around. I'm like,
what do I do?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, everyone saw, Oh everyone has seen that.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
You threw up in your hands.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Everyone saw. And I'm like, I'm like, what do I
do it? And I look back and the door was
behind me, so I was able to back through into
the Sacristye, throw this. I'm like, thirteen, I throw the
O and I lost the rest of my my lunch
breakfast out into the bushes, got all cleaned up, mass ended. Wow, man,
this is the heck of a mass ended. Priest came back,

(43:53):
rebbed me, the raft of of litany of that should
not have eaten one hour before, Matt should not have
been late for mass today. Started laying all that out
to me right now. The empathy of the empathy, so
get this. So here, my brother witnesses this on the
He's sitting there on the on the altar, and this

(44:15):
woman gets up from the first row, first few walks
up to him. She says, excuse me, but that young
man over there is very sick and you need to
help him, and my brother looked over just in time
to watch me catch it right, and he's like, right,
all that happens, no one comes to help me. I
go out through the back. My brother gets up and
goes over. After the sermon's done, the priest sits for

(44:35):
a reflective silence. Of course, my brother sits next to
him and he whispers. He says, John just threw up.
And the priest says where he says in his hand,
And the priest said good. Right. Now, I don't blame
my brother or the priest for acting that way, because
that was the doctrine that they were they were indoctrinated into.
But God showed up that day. God showed up when

(44:56):
she said that young man is sick because she was
the one doing the She was the one thing. Yeah,
she was Yeshua thing. She was being the way, the
truth and the life of love. And so when I
look at that story, now, I don't blame my brother,
I don't blame the police, I don't blame the church.
I look at that beautiful woman who stood up and
said that young man is sick and he needs our love.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So that to me is just the representation of a Jeshua.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Meant, beautiful man, that was a great story.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
That's a very very I can bring up peaking up Serio, Yes,
Sart and I said, you snuck that in so so
going back to Rome turning into the Catholic Church.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So Yeshua dies, yes.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And then we're talking about three hundred years plus for
the Consul, the Council of Nice something like that, right,
And that's Constantine. Constantine who decided, hey, we need to
grab power because there's too many Christians running around yep.
And where it was from. It went from throwing the
Christians to the lions to now, if you're not christ
and you'll get thrown to the lions, right.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And one of the people who is throwing the Christians
to the lions was Paul.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
We're going to get to Senior Paul in a minute,
Senior Paul in a minute.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
In a minute.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So Constantine gets console consultancy and they bring every story
together that's that's known at the time, and they start
to create Christianity as we know it. This is and
I'm saying this for people who have not heard this
before because it blew my mind when I first heard
and I'm like, so wait, a minute. They it was
basically by committee, literally by committee. So that book's in,

(46:36):
that book's out. Oh I don't like that reincarnation thing.
Let's pull that out. What's the book of Enoch? Yeah,
let's not going to Oh Mary Magdalen is the wife.
We can't have that. Let's turn her into a whore,
because that's what that which is which we have to
We could do that because we can't have women with
too much power because of Paul. Right, So then, so
when did Paul insert himself?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
What year? Well, it's it's very interesting because Paul's writings
are are the ones who are They're not actually scriptures,
they're the letters, right, but we call them scriptures now,
not an apostle's post.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Can we let everybody know Paul is not steal from
Peter to pay Paul that whole thing. Apparently Peter not
a fan.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Peter not a fan. Well, well, let's talk about that
for a second, because you're talking about Rome. You know,
in the Gnostic text it says the disciples said to Jeshua,
who do we go to when you're gone? In a
Gnostic text, Jeshua says, go to my brother James. He
doesn't say Peter right. Never says Peter right. But what
happens is at the crucifixion Esa Jeshua goes to the
cross knowing he's dying, but he also knows that he

(47:39):
has shared a truth and that if you can spread
that truth and people start to believe in that truth,
then what will happen is it'll grow. Right. So what
did you do, he says, Peter, you go to Rome, John,
you go to Turkey, James, you stay here. He took
the information and he spread it out, got it wide. Well,

(48:00):
Peter went to Rome. For Peter to be the first
Pope of the Christian Church, he has to be the
next one, the rock upon which we will build this church.
So Rome grabbed a hold of Peter and said he
is our first Pope. Which was a retroactive edition, and
they just started moving the seed of power of Christianity

(48:22):
to Rome itself because that's where that's where it was.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
This all happened much later. Nicia was the beginning of
the of the doctrines being pulled together. The people who
were at in the Nicea after Nicia were the ones
who compiled the books, but they got doctrine to start
creating a book. They create the Codecs Sinidicus, they create
several other Codecs Paticanas, and all these various versions. There's

(48:46):
multiple versions of the original.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And we'll talk about King James in a minute.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, yeah, I have a lot to say about him.
But but this idea of Nicea being the one place
where they chose the books, it was the one where
they asked were they started choosing books. That's where they
started the process of creating a bios.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So it was a book of by Mary Magdalene. There
was a Gospel of Mary Magdalen. There was a Gospel
of the Judas. Yeah, there was a ton of gospels
that just got.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Pushed out because they didn't match various doctrines, and they
didn't match the Abrahamic idea of an external God that
we must be subjugated to. Because the Jesuit teachings were
not about being subjugated to a god. They were about
the power within. And so by by starting to codify
this into a group. Now, Paul was a very interesting critter,
shall we say Pablo. He he never met Jeshua in life, right,

(49:44):
He had a vision on the way to on the
road to Damascus, supposedly he declared himself to be the
apostle to the Gentiles, declared himself declared himself to be
the apostle with the Gentiles. The Gnostic Gospel of James
calls him the liar, really calls him the liar. And
prior to his vision, he was traveling the country as

(50:06):
a pharisee, punishing Christians for being Christian.

Speaker 1 (50:15):

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Right, So this was he was. This guy didn't have
a good track record. One of the things that's said
about him in the Nastic scriptures is that he was
kind of like a chameleon. He would change his story
for whoever he was talking to.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Politician.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yea, it was a politician exactly. He ended up living
with Governor Governor Felix, a Roman governor for many many years.
He was the only one who was the actual Roman citizen.
So he was very much tied into Roman and it's
authority during that time. And then when Rome starts to
lean into the teachings and the right you Paul uh, Well,

(51:02):
this was supposedly he supposedly he had his vision within
a couple of years of the Crucifixion. Oh, but the
writings don't come arount until fifty to seventy years later, right.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Then, And they're not incorporated into the doctrine until the
three hundred.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
So way passed Paul. So then we come to now,
now Rome has taken control of the Bible content, right,
and we have the fifty percent of the New Testament
is Luke and Paul, right, Luke being number one. Luke
never met Jeshua in life. Luke was Paul's disciple, right,

(51:39):
So fifty percent of the New Testament is all Paul writings.
Then there's these letters to Timothy and all that stuff.
Timothy was Paul's disciples. So these are letters from Paul
to Timothy.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Paul.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It's everything's Paul. The Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Uh,
none of them actually had the names Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John attributed them until much later. All of them
were written anonymously, and so.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
And so, which we could estimate that it could have
been a Paul, It.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Could totally have been Pauline. But they also scholars agree
that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, especially Matthew Mark and
Luke are coming from the same source text because they're
using the same terminologies, the same things, so they know
that there were probably coming from this other text and
then breaking them out into these three different doctrines. John
being the most esotericist, they're not going to find a

(52:28):
lot of correlation with that one. But it also was
written anonymously. You know, he never says John. He says
that the disciple that Jesus loved is what he's referred
to himself. So when you look at the texts that
were that were actually chosen, Matthew, Mark and Luke lean
into the virgin birth, which was nothing Jeshua ever said happened.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
He's the whole virgin birth, the.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Whole virgin birth thing. And then you look at the
Bible that the Roman Catholic Church pushes out. Now they
put out the red letters. These are the things that
Jesus said, right, And I say every time I took
Rhodes and I talked, I say Jesus as opposed to Jeshua, right,
because it's not. I don't think it's the same person.
I think it's very different.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It's a character.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
But what I like about this, this construct of these
red letter versions, is that there's huge portions of these
red letter versions that supposedly happened when nobody else was
around the Jesshua. So who wrote it down? Who actually
took it and wrote it down? Because Jeshua never did
right when he battled with the devil in for forty

(53:35):
days and nights that whole story, no one was there
except for him and the devil, supposedly, right, So where
do these are you saying?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
The devil wrote it?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And I'm trying to he's the only other guy. We'll
get into the devil too, Boy, I go down that
route because that's actually a historically fascinating. Oh no, we'll
get there, okay, So anyway we will get there. So
so the so the Rome took this whole thing and said, look,
we have all these rules doctrines that subjugate people to
our authority, that we have these new ideas, that we

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have this image of the cross, which is really ridiculous
that they chose that because the cross was a Roman punishment. Yes,
so why would they choose that, you know? And then
what they did was they just started saying, these are
what you have to believe, and these have to believe
And the reason I say have to believe I had
a guy one time and I asked him very specifically

(54:27):
this question varied about catholic and I said to him,
I said, so, can I ask you a question? I said,
the books that didn't make it into the Bible, are
they just as valid as the ones that did? And
he says no, No. I said why not? He says,
because I have to believe that God's hand was in
the choosing.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
But that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
But he has to believe. Who says he has to
the church? Right? The church is the one who says
He asked.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Me, Yeah, people believe that it fell down from the sky. Yeah,
that leather bound and everything ready to go. That's not
the case.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
And what's really interesting is the Codex Synidicus when they
found it a Saint Catherine's monastery in Egypt. Every page
head edits and not just for grammar, for contact, the
content context.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
It's one of those books that it's one of those
books that we could talk about the Old in a minute,
but the New Testament. It's it's just this jam packed
book of stories, second hand, third hand, fourth hand stories,
some made up, some not made up. It's hearsay, you know,
like you said, Jesus was the only one, and that

(55:37):
who wrote this story? And you know who wrote this?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Here's nothing. The Bible literally says that Peter and John
were illiterate.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Well that doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
So how did John write that?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
And how the thing is also that you know, from
my understanding, yesh one never wrote anything down. He didn't
have a doctrine, He didn't write that any story.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
In fact, he was anti doctrine, right, he's.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Anti dog all that. Yeah, yeah, But then when you
when you come up to a more recent master like Yogananda,
he wrote the autobiography, right, you know, that's his words, right,
that's not four hundred other people trying to grab stories
of his life.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
But together and you know, Joshua came. Jeshua was a
man who found this divinity, as was Yoga Nanda, as
everybody on everybody on this wall. You know Swami and Arian,
who I'm just a big fan of. When you when
you and he Swami Arion was also very recent in
the historical context. Yes, you know, the the Vakum Root

(56:36):
was their interview of of of him in real time.
But what I find interesting is that is that finding
the divinity is found in all of these religions and ideas,
but all of them were talking about there is no doctrine,
there is no dogma, and what's happening now? I think personally,
and I would never judge anybody for their beliefs, but
I think a lot of the new New Age ideologies

(56:57):
are just creating new doctrines and dogmas.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I would agree with you.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I live in this space, okay, yeah, yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
All the time in the New Age space. And the
sixties was when the New Age movement arguably started.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That's when when it came to Taya. The word new
Age comes from out of the Theosophical Society of the
early nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Right, the theological I guess you're right, the theological, uh, philosophical,
philosophical I can never.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Say I have that same problem.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
The Thesophical Society did start. They came up with the
concept that the descended Master. They came up with a
lot of things.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But they reintroduced tarot. Right.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
They really were the source of the New Age movement.
You're absolutely right, Thank you for correcting me. But the
sixties is when they a lot of Age of Aquarius. Yea,
all this kind of stuff started coming out. Great great song,
and it started to kind of bubble up, and then
you know, you're sign in the zodiac and all this
stuff been around forever, but it really started to public

(57:54):
get up there. But as I've noticed throughout the decades, sixties, seventies,
I've been into this stuff since I was a kid.
I've been studying this stuff. You know, all the classic
guys classic in my world, at least where they're Deepak,
Wayne Dire, even Tony Robbins. It was not spiritual, but

(58:17):
it was, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
But there's a spiritual element to him, There's no question.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I would love to have a spiritual conversation with Tony
Robbins one day. I think that would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I'd like to talk to Jim Carrey myself.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Jim's on my list. Oh, Jim is so on my list.
I would love to talk to Jim and Matthew McConaughey.
So in the New Age world, I've kind of seen
it start to add its own dogmas into it, like
you can't do this, you can't. So I get it
from all angles. I get it from the dogmatic religions
and people who are dogmatic about their belief system and

(58:49):
then I also have of their religious belief systems. But
then also I also get hit with comments from people
who are dogmatic in the new age, absolutely in all
all aspects, that you can't say this, you can't do this,
you can't do this. And the thing that I find
fascinating about the whole picture is that everyone's ego has
to say that we are the only way right where

(59:12):
I'm always lead, all roads leap to rome. Sorry, all
roads lead to the same destination. You can't tell me
that a billion Buddhist, a billion Hindus, and a billion
Catholics are all the only way right right?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Well, you know, I love I love that that concept
because I often say that a religion is like being
on a train track. You will only see out the
window of the track they chose to put you on,
ye ye right. But when you get above and you
realize they're all on a track going to the same destination,
is when you start to realize that that there is
beauty in all of it.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
It's just different flavors of the same message.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
And the more you It's funny because I did a
study many years ago, back in the early two thousands
where I just started reading all of these ancient texts,
the Bible, the Torah, the Core and all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But I did something really interesting. I read it twice.
I read them all twice. The first time I read
it with what I call the love goggles on, and
I read the parts that were just loveling when I
and I started seeing all of the hater or the
division like in the Old Testament. You know, this town
wiped out that town, and God was with the army
that was all fear based. So I just stayed with
the love. One of the read the loving parts. I

(01:00:34):
read the loving parts of all of them. They all
say the same thing. Yes, then you put the fear
gogles on and you start reading from fear aspect. They
all say something different. The fears where the dogma lies.
The fears were dogmat is fear. And the New Age
movements are are leaning into various dogmas as well. And

(01:00:55):
one of the dogmas that they're leaning into right now
is vegetarianism. And you know you have to be a
vegetarian to be spiritual. You know, there is no reason
to be a vegetarian or or unless you want to be.
It's a choice. You know, when you look at I'm
gonna get out of spiritual air for a slight second
and bring it back to it. Einstein said that everything
we're looking at in this room is atomic energy in motion. Correct,

(01:01:17):
Over ninety percent of it is empty space and the
other five percent is the energy in motion. So when
we look at this wall of all these beautiful statues
and things here, and that's all made of atoms, right,
But the air between us is atoms, and so is
our eyes. So every you know, this concept that we

(01:01:38):
are one with God comes back to this idea that
this energy around us is God. We are in the
in the image of God. When you go back and
you look at all of these texts from these perspectives,
and you come at it from the perspective that God
is love and that fear can be overcome. Like the
Buddha said, what you find very quickly is that you
know the world is made of love, made of this energy,

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and the fog of fear hides the room from us.
But what Jeshua told you to do was to look
down and realize your hand was on the knob of
the fog machine. And you could turn it up or
you could turn it down right, and that idea of fear.
So if we talk about the teachings of Jeshua, fear
itself is only an emotional reaction to the present moment.

(01:02:25):
But it's always an emotional reaction to your past experience
or an expectation of something negative. Absolutely, so all it
really is is letting go of the reaction in the moment,
reaction to fear, which is the fight or flight response.
We suck a bunch of air into our lungs and
we hold it to fight or fight and flight or fight.
But when we can allow ourselves to simply exhale and
come back to that natural state. You know, when you're

(01:02:48):
outside on a cloudy day, the sun's still up there. Yes,
the clouds obscure the view. The sun is God or
the universe content night that night, the sun is still up. Hey,
it's exactly, It's always there right. In fact, the reason
we see a mood is because the sun shining on it, right, right,
So it comes down to go ahead, Yeah, yeah, I

(01:03:09):
was I thinking there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Is no mood obviously a government.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
This is completely flat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I mean, come on, all the comments are going to
come in. Sorry about the earth is flat? Obviously when
I go outside it looks straight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
But yeah, anyway, anyway, But so so you know, Rome
took these ideas of self empowerment and self divinity and said, well,
I don't have any Rome said, I don't have any power.
If they have divine power within themselves, right, that's a problem.
So they have to create the asset of fear, the

(01:03:45):
fear of not getting to heaven, the fear of burning
in hell, the fear of of being uh ostracized by
your community. I can't tell you how many, how many
Mormons I've met my life who are just beautiful, lovely people. Yes, agreed,
but whenever you hear the story of them to leave
that church.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Oh no, it's a terrible many.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
On the show, it's a horrible, horrible thing. Right that,
that idea that you that it is the only way,
and our train is the only one you're allowed to
ride and look out the window of right that that
has created the division in the world. When the when
the Christians said that Jeshua was the only way, they
said the rest of the world was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
But but Jeshua never said that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Never, he never said that, and only thirty percent of
the people in the world are Christian. The other seventy
percent are all wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Right, I was saying that when I was a kid.
It's crazy in Catholic schoolmate. So wait a minute, I
don't even know what Buddhism is at the time. I'm like,
I've heard of this Buddhist thing, and there's like at
least a billion at least, if not more, and Hindu
and then Hindu High and Confucism and you know, Aloism.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
But I you know, I think that we are that
we are moving into a more beautiful world because of
the processes we've been going through. Yeah, when you look
at the Abrahamic line, you've got Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and
then you have Behigh. What's behind behind comes out of Iran? Right,
and then let me let's check this out. So Judaism,

(01:05:13):
when you read the Torah, there's all these horrific stories
of vengeance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And is that basically the old Yeah? Is it exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
It's close. It's been altered because of Litianity and a
lot of Christianity, because of the concept of creating the
prophecy of Jesus. They go back and retroactively change the
Old Testament to prove it with him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Before you continue, would you agree that those two books
have nothing to do with nothing to do with each
other whatsoever. And the God that Jesus talks about has
nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
In the Old Testament it says God is vengeful and jealous,
and the New Testament says God is love.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Right, So how this like? What go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah? Yeah, exactly, you're what is the best way to
answer that or say that? So, so we look at Judaism,
it's got all this war and anger and hate and division.
Then you come into Christianity and they say God is
love and he compassionate and the shepherd and all this stuff.
Then you but they say he is the only way. Right.

(01:06:15):
Then the next in the Abrahamic line is Islam, and
Islam says that Jeshua was a prophet and that Mohammad
is the next prophet and the last prophet. So he
is the only way. Now. So now they've created these
two divisions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
And they couldn't Ignoreeshua.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
They couldn't ignore him, and and they believe he's going
to return, and they believe he's going to do everything
said about him. And Islam actually says that both Jews
Christians with Islam, they're all going to heaven because they're
all praying to the same God. They actually say that, right.
Then you get into the Bahai faith, and by faith
to me is fascinating because Bahai believes that Jeshua was

(01:06:55):
a prophet, Muhammad was a prophet, but Buddha was a prophet,
and Christian was and it goes through all of these
other texts saying that. But they believe Bahoulah is the
prophet after Mohammad Bahoula, the holy figure of the Bahai faith. Right,
He's just another prophet, He's just the next prophet in line, right.

(01:07:16):
But they What's interesting to me when I look at
this from the from the three thousand mile back perspective,
You've got this really hateful, vengeful sort of beginning and
this inclusive, loving, beautiful experience. Now it still has its dogma,
it still has all its issues.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
And is he the only one as well? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You know, I don't think so at the end, I
because I because they do offer that Buddha and all
these other all prophets that that there's lots of profits, right,
So I think it's it's a much more inclusive ideology,
but there's still dogma Zia Zora Astrian.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Zori Astrian is another prophet, yeah, another zoar.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Right, So when you look, when you look at the this,
this this shift, you're seeing this very fear based to
much more loving and at the other end of the
ibaramic line, you know, I think that the world is
slowly becoming into a more beautiful place.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
We're becoming more conscious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
It's much more conscious. But when you turn a ship
and see a cargo ship full of stuff at sea,
you know, he turned the wheel and it takes miles
for that front end to come around.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Right, We're not in a speedboat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
But well, here's the cool thing. We turned the wheel
a long time ago, and we can prove right now
that we are coming to a more lovely Well, I
met your beautiful, beautiful daughter out here, lovely beautiful, lovely girl,
very clear, very open, very very honest. You could just
see with him her. She was like, I'm going to
talk to whoever I want to talk to, and she's
just gonna be here. And she was lovely. Right. She

(01:08:44):
probably wasn't in any way shape or from racist, homophobic, right,
because none of the kids coming up are. My son's
twenty two years old. He from the time he was
in kindergarten coming up, none of his class, no racism,
no homophobia, no gender bias. They're they're all just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
They're they're definitely made of different stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Than because we turned the ship a long time ago,
and they're the product of what we've told.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Them, and they're and their product is going to be
even amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's amazing, right, But it's a slow process, that's and
within that construct of their belief there is no external
power that can grab it and take it, which is
what Rome did.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
And that's why there's so much struggle right now. That's
why all these institutions, government institutions, medical media, all of
it is starting to crumble.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
And you notice when you watch it, they're all calling
each other names and all this stuff. Right, Well, that's
the definition of slander. Socrates said, when the debate is lost,
slander becomes the tool of the loser. Right when the
debate is lost, they know they're losing. That's why they're
getting allowed. That's why they're calling names because they have
nothing actually logical to say against love, because love is logical. Right,

(01:10:03):
we all want to be loved in some form. We
all want to live in a loving world and without
the constructs and confines of the subjugation of a church
or even a New Age ideology. I was supposed to
speak at another event soon, and everything was all planned,
we were all working towards it, and I got an
email a couple of days ago that said, oh, I'm sorry,
we can't have you speak because you won't promote vegetarianism

(01:10:25):
and you won't promote Jesus being in a scene.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
And they literally told me I was no longer invited
to their program because I wasn't going to teach their
doctrines and dogmas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
My answer to them was, okay, they're allowed to believe
what they believe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
John, I've been vegetarian for thirteen years. Yeah, vegan vegetarian.
I loosened up. I'm more vegetarian than anything. What did
we tell you when my wife and I were telling
you when you go to if you want to eat
some really good meat, Yeah, you told me where to go.
You got to go to Salt Lick, right right, And
that's great Texas barbecue. I'm not, I promise you. When

(01:11:16):
I started being a vegan, oh, I was a bad vegan.
I'd be like, you need to change because you become
a prophet of like you know you, I must convert everyone.
Because my ego was like this is the way. It
was fascinating to see. So like through my years it
started to be like, I can't. This is not my place.
They have a path to walk. I have a path

(01:11:36):
to walk. It is just my choice to do so,
and it's your choice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
My next door neighbors, they're in their eighties, they're completely
plant based. Yeah, they thrive. I was a vegan for
two years. I was never sicker, weaker, or colder.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
And for everybody is different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I think everybody's everyone has.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Different setups and that stuff to get down to that road.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
But right now a lot of a lot of the
New age gurus are all pushing this, this vegan idea
as a dogma.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
You have to be this. I've met so many mystical
and spiritual people. I had a guru in the other day,
as one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Does, and uh, he is average Thursday here next and
he is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
He is a walking master. He is a yoga Nanda
esque style. I could feel his energy. It was a
it was a beautiful situation. I don't I'm not sure
if he is vegetarian. I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm
not sure if he is or if he isn't. I
think he was. We were talking about barbecue because we're
in Texas, but it was it was interesting. It's just

(01:12:40):
an and you're using this as an example of dogma
and that it's the human ego that needs to be right.
Like I am the most spiritualist, I'm the most spiritual
right right, I'm the most spiritual the I'm the most humble.
I'm the humblest of the humble. Like that's that's the
ego behind And you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Know what, you know, it's interesting about the ego. I
think I think that word has gotten a bum wrap.
I agree we need the ego, well, the ego scientifically,
when you look at the actual studies of philosophy and psychology,
the ego only means that you're aware of your individual self.
That's all it means. But within that construct of the
awareness of your individual self, you have threat assessment. You know,

(01:13:21):
what is going to hurt my individual self? What is
going to harm my individual self. And so we come
from this process of defending ourself prior to events out
of fear and anxiety and stress. But you know, when
we when my son was six, he's now twenty two.
Like I said, he said, Daddy, God told me he's
in everything and every one, and we controlled the God

(01:13:42):
part inside of us. And I was like, wow, there's
my little Yoda, right, he said something so profound. And
then later on in Hinduism, I discovered the concept of
the God consciousness being the sit and we are the
cit satki. The individual sparks of consciousness shouldn't But that
idea that that this person over here who's eating something
different than me isn't equal to me is anesthetical to

(01:14:06):
everything Jeshua Toad and everything that Yoganan get taught and everything.
I'm sure Yoganada was a vegetarian.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
He was to my understanding, he was yeah, yeah, because
I think he was always. But that's cultural too, Yeah,
it's culture.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
But you know the thing is, I have met beautiful
people in all religions and ideologies, and it's it's not
about the method of the modality, the doctrines, dog wins
or diets, It's about the love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Are you loving? Are you compassionate? Are you in the
moment expressing love to some Are you walking up to
that lady who's having a hard time getting up in
the curb, and are you helping her on the curb.
That is the expression of God in the world is
to give love in that moment. Coming here today, I've
got off the exit off of Route one eighty three
and there was a there was a deaf man who

(01:14:48):
was who had a sign up begging for money. I
rolled down the window and handed on fifty dollars. Now,
people are gonna say, well, he's gonna try to drink
that order. I don't care what he does with it.
I want him to have the experience of someone giving
him a fifty dollars as opposed to ten cents. I
wanted them to have the experience of love and compassion
in the now. And you know, it doesn't matter what
they do with it. It's a matter of looking them

(01:15:09):
in the eye and saying, this is for you, and
I hope you're better. You know, that is delivering love,
That is delivering God. And that's what the churches have
all lost. And the churches do that because they have power,
they have money, they have the best real estate in
the country.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
They're the biggest real estate holders in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah. I grew up in Rehobeth Beach, Delaware, which is
known as the nation's gay summer capital. It's three hours
east of Washington, d C. And all the alternate lifestyle
people had houses there. Tons of gay bars, you know,
And when I was a young kid, all the rednecks
used to go beat up the gay guys at the
gay bars, and it was just a horrible That town
is so beautiful and loving now and compassion and I

(01:15:46):
go down and see my brother play in his band.
I go to all the gay bars and see him play.
There's no even thought of it. But what's so interesting
is the Catholic Church had a multimillion dollar mansion on
the beach and all the all the priests used to
come vacation there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
And I cannot tell you how many priests I've seen
come out of gay bars with their boyfriends. And I
don't care about how they love. I don't care who
they love. I do care about the hypocrisy of saying
other people can't right right. That bothers me. But that's
the church DoCRA.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
So let's we we touched on this, but I'd love
to hear your what you what you know about this subject.
The King James, King James Is Bible is the one
that we all look at now. It's the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
It's the it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
One that everyone is, the book that everyone in the
West at least reads, and it's the King James version.
I remember seeing the King James version again, never connecting
that there was a King James. I'm just danced that way.
Who's King James? And how did the version that comes up?
And then after that, let's touch up the Dead Sea
scrolls when we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Okay, great, yeah, great, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
So so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
King James was Shakespeare's patron, you know, Elizabeth British. Yeah,
Elizabeth was when Shakespeare was said, heyday. When Elizabeth died,
King James became the next successor, took on Shakespeare as
his as his his artistic protege per se. That's why

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the King James Versuson has all of these thou those
thou shalt knots and all that stuff, because this is
Elizabethan englisheth Elizabethan English. So James was very much into
the language of the time, which was Shakespeare and Bacon
and all those people. But when King James had that commissioned,

(01:17:45):
what he was taking was the Bishop's Bible, the Old
there's a one called the Bishop's Bible. He said, I
want you to convert this from Latin into Elizabethan English,
but I want you to take out anything that could
be used against the monarchy. And so they stripped out
anything that they could be used against the monarchy to

(01:18:07):
take him out of power. So the King James version
is a poetic translation of a Latin book that is
a translation of Hebrew of Greek yest Greek Great and
Hebrew from the Old Testament especially, But each version had

(01:18:28):
different changes, different constructs, and by the time it got
to to King James, it became the most altered version
of the Bible. And right now there's a movement to
come back to the original text. Yeah, like the Ethiopian
by very different, very different, very different. And like there's
a there's a scholar who I love to listen to
name named Dan McClellan. He's a he's actually a Mormon,

(01:18:50):
but he's he's very strict about scholarly work, and I
love listening to him. But I listened to him, and
he talks about, well, the new standard version of the
Revised vision of the This is the latest version of
the Bible, the new Standard, revised version of the It's like,
this is the title. It's just even in the title,
it tells you that it's not anything close to the original.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
It seems to me that what you're explaining to King
James version of it, it's the one that has red
forty in it, and all the other artificial preservatives and
stuff like that, the chemicals. It's not organic. It's not
healthy for you. It will kill you slowly. Yeah, exactly,
just like bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
But anyway, but just anyway, I love bacon. I can't
argue that I do miss bacon, of course, because bacon
is meat candy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yes exactly. But that's what it sounds like. It's like
all this there's so much crap that they've put into
it that dilutes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
The original meaning. Well, and like I said, the Codex
Sanidacus had edits on every page, the text that they
found Saint Catherine's Monesssary. Every version has at it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
And translating from Greek to Latin to English and German
and French, and there might be a couple of a
couple of things. There also might be a couple of
scribes who like, didn't like what that thing said and
back then, and they would just change it right. And
then you look, you look at the concept of all

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these Gnostic and Coptic texts that didn't make it right.
Gospel of Toom, well, the Gospel of Thomas. We were
talking about vegetarian earlier. I just kind of throw this
in Gospel of Thomas. A lot of the New Age
folks are really diving into this nastic Gospel of Thomas.
They asked him in there what diety should follow. He says,
it's not what comes out. It goes into your mouth
that defiles you what comes out? Right? So right, great line, great,

(01:20:56):
great line. But it's always it comes back to this
ideology that every version had its own version, and every
version had had simple changes and even translating from one
language to the other. You know, it's like, right now
they use the word Messiah, right or or Christ they
mean the same thing, right christos Well, they those two

(01:21:20):
words Messiah and Christ have two different meanings. In ancient Hebrew,
Messiah comes from the word meshiak, which means a king
or a ruler, not a spiritual guide, not a spiritual
leader or some savior that's coming. A meshiak, a ruler
who's going to guide our people into a new future.

(01:21:40):
Christ means the anointed one. Right now, what's interesting is
meshiak to become a king or a ruler. They anoint
the king into the position. So both of these the
word Christ has become Messiah. The word original Messiah was Meshiak.
So there's this transition from a king or a ruler

(01:22:01):
to this spiritual deity, and the variation between the two
is a struggle. And now because of the way we
live our Christianity in the world, they lean into the latter.
But the original was a king or a ruler. So
there's a very variation there, right And as it gets

(01:22:22):
further and further down the line, all theough we have
to King James. Now he's talking about Christ, but he's
saying it with these and the thousand, the pretty words.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
And it's interesting that that when people are confronted with
information like this, you know as Catholics, because you and
I speak from a place of where we knew when
you were confronted with facts that are facts. These are
historical facts, not hearsay, but some of the historical facts.
So everything we're talking about from the console of anicee

(01:22:49):
like this is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
All no documented Yeah, this is not fake news.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
This is not made up. This is documented stuff. They
have to they have to they have to rationalize that
it can't be true because if they even admit to
the potentiality of it being somewhat true, it rocks the
foundation that they've built their entire identity on.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
And they're stuck in a time period where that those
things were condemned. That's why, you know, I for every
day I get my comments on my on my YouTube channel,
it must be fun. Oh but you know what for
every one negative one, I get five hundred beautiful. Oh yeah, agreed, right,
But the negative ones use the words heresy, artic, blasphemy.

(01:23:36):
Hell yeah, all of those three that I just said
are medieval words.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
That's amazing. You have to heresy, blasphemy and blasphemy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Heresy and well he also also call me the Antichrist. Obviously,
heresy blasphemy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
First of all, to take first of all, to call
you the Antichrist is giving you a hell of a
lot of power there. Yeah, I mean that means you
are the dude, yeah, the one that they spoke I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Isn't that crazy? They call me a false prophet, a
false teacher, but you're well, here's the interest thing about
those things. False prophet, false teacher. First of all, I
don't prophesy. I never tell you the future because I
think everything is in the now. And a false teacher,
to be a false teacher means I'm not teaching what
you want me to teach, right, because.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Because of the people who you are listening to what
you like, it's what they want to hear, right, or
they want or they're interested in to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
And one of the comments I got one time, and
it's very interesting, I had a Jehovah's witness come on
and leave me a message and he was like, I
think you seem like a very nice guy. You seem
like a very kind guy, John, But I would be
wrong if I didn't try to save you and bring
you back to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Jesus, to Jesus right, to his Jesus right right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
But then he said, I know I'm probably going to
be crucified on your channel for doing for saying this.
And I came back and I said, if someone crucifies
you on my channel for saying this, they will be
banned from my channel because you are obviously coming from
a loving place, trying to save me into your belief
system the key and you started with compliments, so you

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are obviously being loving in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
So he can't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
He can't, And it doesn't matter what he believes, because
you know, spiritually is a personal journey. Absolutely, as long
as he's delivering love. The Book of Matthew says you
shall know them by their fruit. Right. I have one
video on my on my recovering Catholic channel right now.
The title of video is Catholicism is the deadliest religion

(01:25:36):
in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Oh that I'm sure that got Oh my god, it
was great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
The next because I and I was showing the historical
statistics of all religions and what deaths are attributed to
that absolutely right, And you look at the Bible itself,
you know there there's there's two people who killed people
religiously in the Bible. One of them killed ten people

(01:26:03):
and one of them killed two million. Satan killed ten,
God killed two million. So this this this idea of
so I'll put this out. I had to stop all
comments on that video of course God. And if you
go to that video now it says because of the

(01:26:23):
abuse of foul language and hate speech, you know, comments,
but bye bye by people who say they follow Jesus, right,
I am holding back on the comments on this, stopping
the comments on this video. I cannot tell you the
people who claim to follow Jeshua or Jesus, who will
will tell me I'm burning in hell, who will call

(01:26:45):
me a son of a whatever, you know, and they'll
they'll they'll say these horrific, hateful things, and sometimes I'll
get a little honorary and I'll say, yeah, yeah, I'm
sure that's exactly what Jeshua was would have said, right,
you know, or something like that. But to me, it's like,
if you can't accept that that's seventy percent of the
world who doesn't believe the same as you, you know,

(01:27:07):
is still can be loving people, then I don't think
you understand what God really is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
I think also too that people who don't travel, people
who don't travel and stay in their own town, their
own country for their entirety of their life and don't
travel outside to different worlds and different cultures are not
only I think I personally, I love traveling and I
love being I love seeing new cultures. I love seeing

(01:27:37):
that stuff, and I love going to new countries and
seeing how they do things and all that stuff. Like
I'm obsessed with this one social media account that's all
about things in Japan, and I'm like, what it's like,
the stuff that they come up with, the technologies, You're.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Like, what is this? Amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Amazing, amazing. But because when you travel, and you've traveled
the world multiple times as a Carne or Renny as exactly,
you start to see other people. And what I've come
to realize by traveling as much as I have is
that everyone just wants to be loved. They just want

(01:28:15):
to live peacefully, they want to be prosperous. That that's it.
They're just good people. Just because you don't believe the
exact same story. And this is all it's about, is
a story that you believe. It's a it's a movie.
It's essentially the Trekkies versus the Star Wars guys, that's
all it is. I believe that. I mean now the

(01:28:38):
comments are going to go crazy. It's like Yoda is
the way, as opposed to No, Captain Kirk is the way.
You know, Roddenberry is the way. It's just two different
stories that we believe. I can appreciate Trek, I can
appreciate the things that I do. I'm a fan, but
I'm not a devotee like so many. I like Star
Wars more. That's the one that ranks for me. I'm

(01:29:00):
using this as a very loose culter example. I Marvel.
I mean, it's all relative.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
I find it really fascinating. You brought this up because
yesterday I got an email from someone who wants me
to write an article for sci fi dot Net. Okay
to bringing spiritualities through sci fi and superhero perfect Now,
the reason I want to meet is because I talk
about that in my videos. But I love that what
you said about you know, when you travel the world,
you know, I find the people who don't leave the

(01:29:26):
their one hundred square miles are the most closed minded
because they haven't had the experience of others. I U
said of travel, I've been to thirty countries, thirty two
stays in all the countries I want to I asked.
I asked a very specific question. I say, what's most
important to you? I never heard one say the religion.
I never heard one say their job. I never heard

(01:29:47):
one say the number one answer is always the family.
But what is the family? The family is the physical
representation of love on earth. Absolutely, and so to them,
all of them, all of them are about love and compassion.
When I went through all the Middle Eastern countries, and
I was all over the Middle East, and I found beautiful,

(01:30:08):
loving people everywhere everywhere. I also found butt heads.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah, but you found but heads everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
I found but heeads everywhere, right right everywhere. And and
some of the butt heeads are the ones who are
the ones who didn't travel. They out of the little
hundred miles because they believe this is the what their
world is. They are living on the flat earth because
their flat earth is only one hundred miles.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
And so they are living in that experience of not
going out and experiencing the world. You know, and when
you get out of your your circle and you get
out and you start experiencing that all humans are humans,
and they all have one thing in common. They all
want to be loved and to give love. That's the
only thing that matters. Jeshua's way was simple. It wasn't

(01:31:01):
the dogmas of the church and the religions and the
Bibles and the don't mess with my monarchy stuff. It
was the love one another. His final word, I leave
you one commandment, love one another. I am the fulfillment
of prophecy, which means set Abraham down and just be love.
That's what he That's what he taught. And religions will

(01:31:21):
take that away from you because that means that the
power is within you, and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Because any organization wants to retain its power, all of them,
across every aspect of human life.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
I heard some one day somebody says, like, if tomorrow
morning we discovered that if we get a bowl of
warm water, put a little bit of Himalaian salt in
it and a drop of lemon, and you put your
finger in that, and that cure's cancer. Let's say that
is real. That will be completely dismissed, demonized, and thrown
out because of the billions and billions of dollars based

(01:31:57):
in that industry that treats cancer, because the money's not
in curing cancer, he is in treating it. You know,
it's fast, but that goes up along everything.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
So what I love about that that analogy is that
they are they are profiting from their asset, and their
asset is not the product, it's the fear, absolutely, so
they're profiting from that. You brought up cancer. About seven
years ago, I was making swords for Circusile. I was

(01:32:28):
making pirate aluminum cutlasses and about one hundred swords in.
I started that feeling well, and I went to the
doctor and they informed me that my lungs were filled
with spots. And they told me, John, we have to
go in and we have to do biopsies and procedures,
and but before we can put you under, you've got

(01:32:48):
to lose some weight. So they put me on a
five hundred calorie restricted liquid diet for three months. And
I said, he said, then we're going to do these
these procedures. I said, okay, Doc, he's what we're.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I said, I'll go on to diet because obviously I
need to lose weight, right, but in three months, we're
not going to do these procedures. What do you mean,
I said, in three months, we're going to do these
tests again, and then we're gonna make decisions about procedures.
And I said, okay. So I went home. I stopped
making swords because the reason I had spots in my
lungs was because the toxic aluminium does. Of course, I

(01:33:23):
stopped making swords. I got up in the morning, I said,
thank you God for the perfect lungs. I am receiving. Amen.
Now what I just said is a completely present moment statement.
When you thank for something, it's because you believe what's
happening in the now. Thank you God, consciousness, YadA, YadA.
I don't care what you call it. I call it God,
Mama's Catholic thank you God for the perfect lungs, the
exact thing I'm creating in the present moment. I am

(01:33:46):
present moment declaration, also the name of God. According to Moses, right,
I am receiving present moment action, not received or will receive,
but receiving. And then I ended it all with amen,
and the men mean, so be it. It means right here,
right now, it's done. So everything I said was as
a moment. Next morning, I got up and I took
a walk in the park, and as I walked through
the park, and I am receiving, I am receiving perfect lines,

(01:34:06):
and I just breathed deep. At three months, I went back,
there was not a single spot in my lungs. And
what they say, They were like, oh, well, what did
you do? And I just told I told him exactly that.
I said. Our reality comes from our belief about the
present moment.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
But the key part there is that you still went
to a doctor to get yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
I did. I did, Yeah, because I didn't know. I
know I didn't feel well, and I know I didn't
understand what was not going well. I went to a doctor,
right and I and I would still go to a
doctor if I something else happened today.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Yeah, you're not going to just you know, talk about
it in your head, right, Yeah, as we all get older,
exactly the wheel starts.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Well, you know, I truly believe that that. You know,
the first lines of the Book of John once against
obviously it starts out in the beginning it's the word.
The word was with God. The word was God. Your words,
your thoughts, your your beliefs, which are all present moment,
go out to the source. The source reflects those word,
thoughts and beliefs in the image around you. And we

(01:35:04):
are created in God's image, which is right in the Bible.
So it always comes back to what is your faith?
You know? Once again the translation of faith in Christianity,
faith means faith in Jesus, but the word means belief.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Let me ask you this, John, This is another part
of the Christian doctor that just never made sense to me,
because it's the Old Testament and the New Testament, because
they jam these two books together because apparently they need
to fill it out. You can sell just the New Testament,
that the Old Testament, and for whatever reason, the concept

(01:35:41):
that God, that God and Jesus. So Jesus is the
son of God, right, but then he's referred to as God,
which never made sense to me. Right, And as a kid,
I was like, wait, wait, wait, there's a father, because
God forbid there be a mother. But there's a father, right,
the Father Almighty, right, and then he is the son

(01:36:04):
of this father. Yea. But yet we call Jesus God. Well,
what about the dude, this other dude. I never just
it made no logical.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Sense, and it shouldn't make logical sense to you. In
the Bible. In the ancient texts, he never refers to
himself as the son of God. He always refers from
the son of man, meaning that he's a human just
like you and I. Right, this concept of he says
in the Bible, the Father and I are one, but
no one ever goes on and finishes the statement. Because

(01:36:36):
the Father and I are one, and you must become
one with me as I am with the Father. He's
literally saying, we're all one with this, with God. We're
all part of the well sparks of the He's saying
the same thing that he was saying. And what's interesting
about it is is that this construct of the the
God outside of us, the external God, is based in

(01:36:58):
the Old Testament idea alogies of a patriarchal God, a
male patriarchal god. Right, the Father and I. Why didn't
they say mother because they it was a patriarchal time.
It's a historical throwback to a time of patriarchy in
reality when it went further and it got to the Trinity.

(01:37:21):
Now people go the Trinity, that's biblical, Nope, third century,
third century inventioned by theologian. Right, But I like the
Trinity because Father's on Holy Spirit, the God consciousness, the
Sun consciousness. Well, I don't even think of it as
earth that way. I think of it more as it's

(01:37:43):
like Prenas talked about the idea of our consciousness. You
have the physical world consciousness, and you're aware of your
physical identity. Then there's this next broader awareness of consciousness.
We're aware of the people around us, and we start
to get intuitions, and we start to finishing people's sentences,
and then there's a broader run where we get out
to even more people. And there's this awareness and the

(01:38:06):
levels of consciousness. The Father, the sit in Hinduism, the
God consciousness, the Sun, the CITs a key, the individual
spark of consciousness thin but the lowest form of this awareness.
We don't feel divine, we feel separate, we feel lone,
and we don't feel that connection. Then there's the Holy Spirit.

(01:38:27):
The Holy Spirit is our higher self. It's it's our
divine consciousness that's aware of the God consciousness and aware
of our physical world conscious And this is where our
intuition comes from. Are that now I'm going to turn
right rather than left comes from because getting we're getting
trickles of this divine consciousness, that is our holy spirit
consciousness or higher self consciousness. So I think it really

(01:38:50):
what it is is levels of consciousness, right, and then
too for an ancient mind to try to extrapolate that,
they break it down to three. There's this God thing
out here that we have to pray to, there's this
physical world souff. But if you go back to the Psalms,
the most famous psalm in history, though I walk through

(01:39:11):
the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear
no evil, for thou art with me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yeah pulp fiction, yes, yeah, yeah, sorry, Well to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Me, it's one of the most profound because if you
think about it from the levels of consciousness, I'm going
down into a valley where death is a possibility. Yeah right,
it's not the valley of death, it's the valley of
the shadow of death, the illusion that we can die.
So we're coming down into this lower, lower thing. And
it literally says you don't need to fear because love

(01:39:39):
is always with you. So it's literally talking about this
level of consciousness where when we're in this valley, we
can't see the peak, but the peak is always with us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Now we I wanted to talk about before we finish
up two things. One dead Sea scrolls, Yeah, and then hell,
okay small things. So dead Sea scrolls, I remember in
the ninety eighties and nineties, that's these scrolls were discovered
in the fiftiest. Yeah, exactly, so like late forties, early yeah,
late forties. We'll be right back after a word from

(01:40:13):
our sponsor and now back to the show. So, but
then I heard that the Catholic Church went in, we
can't have this, and they kept it behind closed doors
for decades until something happened that someone opened it up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
I don't know that story, but they kept according to
what I understood, they kept it quiet, but then they
got released out of pressure. They finally released it for
their storians to be able to read it. Because I
discovered when I was in Italy that if anything is
discovered that is of Christian descent, the Catholic Church comes
in and automatically owns.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
It, right right, because the Catholic means universal means it's ours, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Ours, and they'll go in and like for the queen,
like that kind of thing. It's it's they plant their
flag and very Cortez, very very Cortes, very Cortez esque
so then they came out. But the Dead Sea Scrolls
talk a lot about different things that are in the Bible. Well,

(01:41:19):
and it was a problem for that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Well it's actually actually actually what's interesting the Dead Sea Scrolls. Okay,
so I'm gonna get into some New Age ideologies. Okay,
look where you are, sir. Okay. So right now everyone's
claiming that the Dead Sea Scrolls are about this mystical
sex called the Acecenes in the time period. Just saying
a scene is like saying pharisee or suit of sy

(01:41:43):
It's just another judaic sect. The Dead Sea Scrolls are
nothing but books of the Torah, right. They they don't
mention Jeshua, they don't mention vegetarianism, they don't mention anything else.
What's happening now, And once again this goes back to
the theosophical society idea is there were a couple of people.

(01:42:03):
One was Riverend Elsley, who wrote The Gospel of the
Holy Twelve as a series of newspaper articles where he
was marrying Theosophical society into the New Testament, and that
he said he pushed vegetarianism and all those things that
those texts came out between eighteen ninety four and nineteen

(01:42:24):
oh three as a series of newspaper articles. There is
no Gospel of the Holy twelve. It was never shown.
There was never He claimed he found it in a
Tibetan monk as from a monastery, right, but he never
let anybody see it. It was all him putting that stuff.
Then later on Edmund JA. Kelly wrote the Ascene Gospel

(01:42:47):
of Peace. Now a lot of New Age teachers are
leaning into the Scene Gospel of Piece right now. The
problem is Edmund Jakelly claimed he found two versions of that,
one being in the Vatican LFE library, one being in
another library of the time. I forget the name of it.
It's in one of my videos. But he never showed

(01:43:09):
pictures of it, never showed drawings of it, never showed
any proof that ever existed. Both the Vatican and the
other place say it doesn't exist. But the Scene Gospel
Peace is filled with this esseterica of the scenes that
all match the Theosophical Society cachings for some reason, including

(01:43:29):
vegetarianism everything else. No scholar takes either one of them seriously.
No scholar believes they are written by the Ascenes, because
they know they that these two people would never show
the original text, and modern New Age gurus are leaning
into these as fact and truth as the Acenes. But
even the Dead Sea scrolls are not one percent known

(01:43:51):
to be a scene. They are known to be of
a Judaeic sect who were into ritual bathing, and then
they lean into the Edgar Casey stuff. Right. Edgar Casey
said that that scrolls will be found near the Dead
Sea in the nineteen forties. He said that a few
years later it was, and then he died in forty five,
and they were found in forty six. Right, So, but
he didn't say it was these scenes at that time.

(01:44:12):
He mentioned these scenes in early earlier writings, but he
said they were an elusive sect who were trying to
prepare for the Messiah. He never said Jesus, He never
said vegetarian, has never said a healing, He never said Esaterica.
He said that they were a Judaic sect, just like
the Pharisees of the Sodices. Joshua clearly said before Abraham
was I Am, which means he wasn't part of the

(01:44:34):
Judaic belief system, and so for him to be any
of those would be anesthetical to what he was saying. Also,
Shashua talked love and peace. Would you agree, you totally agree?
First armed conflict to get from room was led by
John the Ascene. Kind of a little mess.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Up there, right, Yeah, well there's the Crusades, but right, right, yeah, yeah,
there's that too. Right, there's a little thing I never
made sense either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
It doesn't make sense. So to me, you know, people
can believe all they want. They're allowed to. I will
always go back and research everything that I that I'm
talking about because I want to know, and I did
the research.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
But John, the thing is too like I'm sure you've
been there, but like when you stand in the Vatican
and you look around. I remember when I did that.
I just sat there and I just said, this has
nothing to do with Jesus, nothing to do with them. This,
this pomp and circumstance, black smoke, white smoke, I mean,
the outfits like this has nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
To do with Jesus Christ. Joshua never said go to
a church on Sunday. Jesshua never said you you must
eat my body and blood.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
That'd be weird.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Yeah, that'd be really weird. Right, even in those days
and the construct of sub what's it called sub transation,
where the Church says, when we say it's the blood, blood,
and body of Christ, it is very you have to
believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
But it's wine and some some really tasty bread.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
But if you go well tasty subjective.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Hey, listen, I remember the taste of the holy wafer
I always want as a kid. I'm like, can we
just buy those? Those are pastes?

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
You you must have had a good good said, like
melting cardboard.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Mine did too, But it was the eighties. But you like,
it was the eighties, so it's a different It was
a different world, the age of padded shoulders.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
But the the thing about him, you know, he never
he never said, you know, if he was a Jewish Man,
the Sabbath was Saturday, that Sunday, correct, right, that gets changed.
So he never said all of these theologies that happened
hundreds of years later. But what what did he What
did he say? Love one another, go out in the
streets and help that person up right, just keeping your

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mind in the present moment of love and expressing it
had nothing to do with the doctrines and dogmas, the diets,
the all the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
When I find fascinating too, is that his message his energy,
what he was able to do to humanity has been
able to survive in one shape or form. The essence,
the true essence of it, beyond all of the crap
that's been thrown on this point man's shoulders. You know,
Buda didn't get that. You know, Krishna didn't get that.

(01:47:22):
They have other stresses, but not this like it was.
It's it's pretty fascinating to see where this how how
his story and how his teachings have been completely created,
like changed. One, tell me what you know about this?

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
The uh?

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Oh God, what is it? Uh? The rapture, The Rapture.
I love the Rapture. I think it's fantastic. It's a
great story. It's a great add on to the end.
It really solidifies that we're the only way sure. I mean,
it solidifies it in a way like if you don't believe,
one day the rapture will and all non believers will

(01:48:02):
be left to you on earth and all those believers
will be taken up crazy. And it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
We have eight billion people in the world, one hundred
and forty four thousand in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
How many Catholics?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Right right? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
So I mean you got to be like the best
of the best of the best of the best, the best,
the NBA you think about you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
I love that you ask how many Catholics? Because thirty
percent of the world are Christian, right, twenty percent of
those are Catholic. Yeah, less than half of those are
practicing Catholics. Correct, So my numbers are pretty good to
get in, I think, right. I had someone tell me
he's going to try to save me, so I could
be raptured. I said, okay, but I'm going to take
your seat, because if there's only one hundred and forty

(01:48:39):
four thousand, there's only so many that they can take, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
See, that was that was a mistake in the storytelling.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Evangelicals, yes, Methodists, Baptists all grabbed a hold of it,
because what better way to keep your people in line
than to tell them they have to start being good
to be one hundred and forty four thousand one of
the one hundred and forty four thousand. Now, of course,
in going into what you were saying, Evangelical teachings are

(01:49:06):
all about marketing. Oh, they're marketing the rapture and everything else.
That's what the Left Behind series is all about.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
So now I can I kind of shift this a
little bit lease. The New Age has its own version.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
By the way, before we switched into the New Age,
how did the rapture get Is it in any Bible?

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
It's not in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
There's no Bible, there's no King James doesn't have the rapture.
So it's just something that people talk about. There's no
proof of any of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Not in the Bible. Anywhere there's a top there's a
mention of the word tribulation, which is when they say
the raptures it's supposed to happen. There's no there's no
event called the rapture in the Bible at all. So
it's complete bs and it was made up by John
Nelson Derby. They know exactly who did it, the guy
who actually created it, with Minister John Nelson Derby in

(01:49:57):
eighteen thirty. Eighteen thirty, that's not that long ago that
at all, right, not at all. The New Age has
has its own version, and it calls the Five D
oh oh yeah, the Fifth dimens because we're all supposed
to evolve and bring ourselves up to be part of
the Five D And what's happening now you can see
how this this New Age rapture idea of the five
D is falling apart. Interesting because now what you're finding

(01:50:20):
is you're finding people are saying I've already ascended to
the five D, and they start preaching and teaching that
they are already there. Right, So that's what That's the
same thing the evangelicals did with the rapture. I've already
come to the point where i know that I'm being raptured,
so I'm here to save you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Right, We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Here's the here's the Here's something that I think everyone
should consider. All of the spiritual teachers all talked about
being present. Right. Most of the religions are based in
two thousand years old stuff in our past, right, or
prophecies of the future.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
The majority of the of the New Age teachers are
talking about the things that were hidden from us in
our past, or the ascension that's going to happen to
us in our future. Neither one of them is in
the im moment, not that one of them is in
the present, not that one of them is actually creating
their divinity in the now. They're giving you methods modalities, techniques,
and dogmas to reach this ascession or to go back

(01:51:31):
and find some hidden truth that has been taken from
them with the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Whole five D thing, because it's something that we've talked
about a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Yes, and people like I say, I'm not dissing someone's
belief in it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
My truth is my truth and I only speak my
truth exactly, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
No problem with that. But the whole concept of the
five D, which people are like, we're in the third
dimensional world now and then we're going to evolve to
the five D. I do believe that we are evolving.
They just put a name on it that there's multiple
timeline that you know, the five D. People will be like,
it's it's the way you presented the five D idea
is a little bit more dogmatic than what I look

(01:52:07):
at it as, yeah, which is very kind of like
we're all evolving. I'm not better or worse than you, right,
I either am a few steps ahead, I'm definitely a
few steps back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
But you are you are. You are an anomaly within
that group from my perspective, because I have five D
people coming at me hard all the time, just like
Christians just like Christians. We just like, yes you would, yeah. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
And the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
The thing is, I look at it from the perspective
of if they're focused on this ascension in the future.
You know, God said, be the change you want to
see in the world. Yes, you can only be it
in the now. It's the only moment you're ever conscious.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
There's an analogy that I love that I use all
the time when I'm talking to someone in my private sessions.
I talk about, you know, imagine you have a boat
and you anchor the boat in the middle of a river.
Now that boat is stationary because it's anchored, but the
water is slowing past the boat. Behind the boat, there's
a wake, there's a swear, there's motion in the water
because of the boat. But one hundred feet in front
of the boat, there's no shape in the water whatsoever,

(01:53:05):
just a bunch of water. And that water comes to
the boat, and it hits the bow of the boat,
and it parts and it creates, it creates the shape
of the boat in the river. Okay, now you're in
your boat. I'm in my boat. Everybody's in their own boat.
The water is the substance of the universe. That all
of our experiences play out in the motion of the

(01:53:25):
water coming towards the boat. Is how time works. It's
coming to us, we're not traveling through it. And that's
easy to prove because your pass is just a collection
of present moment memories and your future is just a
place where you're setting goals for your next present moment.
But every experience of your life will happen in your
present moment and as happened in your present moment, So
that means you only are in this one moment, this

(01:53:48):
one moment of consciousness, and the experience is coming to
you like the energy coming to your illusion of your experience. Now,
the majority of the people I talk to think they're
in the same king dingy, bucketing out the water, trying
not to go under.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
It's a lot of fear.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Right, I think I'm on the deck of a three
masket schooner sipping of margarita.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Right because you've evolved her Well, you are in the
five D sir, Well, I love.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Because I chose it, right, Yeah, your present moment choice
of belief is going to create your experience. If you
know a negative person, they are incredibly good creators. They
believe the world's negative. So they see a negative world
because that's what they're creating around them.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
You know, that's it. That's irrelevant to any other dogma,
any other dogs, any other rapture, five D all of it.
It's fascinating. And I don't disagree with the evolution of
humanity and an evolution of consciousness. I don't disagree with that.
I think that's happening. We've seen it happen in our
lifetime from when you were born to where we are now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
There, like I said, about our kids, our kids having
more beautiful future.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
So putting a name on it, that's fine. If if
you want to do five D, great, it's all. But
I don't believe it. If it's used in a way
to separate yourself from somebody else, that's when I disagree. Yeah,
it's just an idea.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
It's just a place where we And when you hear
some of these teachers say I'm already in the five day.
That's the fighting themselves right, right, that that's putting themselves
on a pedestal. And I get a lot of that.
People say I'm already in the five day, right, I've
got having a lot of people that's because that's because
you're not there yet. That's why you believe that, John.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
We're all just trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
John, I agree, and I and see the thing is,
I go back to my first regression where I said,
it's so simple, we have a hard time comprehending it.
I measure everything against simplicity. And once they start saying
dimensions and and you know, alien contact and all the
when it happens, it happens. Do I believe that there
could be aliens in the universe? Of course? I mean everything's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Logically trillion planets out there. We're the only ones right right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
And me, it's you know, I had someone talk about
the Big Bang theory to me one time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
It's a great show, a great show, fantastic show.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
But I said, I said, did you? I said, but
you know that's that's still just a theory, right, it's
absolutely And they go, no, it's not. I go, then
why does this say theory at the end? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
I said?

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
I said, Can I ask you a question? Yeah, I said,
what will happen if you discovered that the universe is
expanding because we keep thinking bigger thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
It blew his mind, right, It blew his mind, we
were all trying to figure out this matrix that we're
all living in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Yeah, exactly all it is. And I look at it
from the perspective of if my beautiful present moment is
loving and caring and joyful. I came here today into
your studio and I met a beauty, your beautiful wife,
and your and your child, and we laughed, we joked,
we talk stories, We shared our geek stuff about cameras
and stuff. We have just a lovely moment, right That

(01:56:53):
is the expression of love and living That moment that's
simply to me is is the way of Joshua. He
just loved and he listened and he heard, and he
truly expressed.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
What I think that is happening with everyone on this
wall and many masters who have walked this earth, this
plane before, is we are all dropped in this experience,
and it's kind of like we're all scared little children
because we have the we have the delusion that we

(01:57:26):
are disconnected from everything, so we're terrified. This entire incarnation,
this entire reality, is to overcome fear, absolutely, to learn
truth of who we are truly and where we are,
Where we are truly and where we live truly that
this is an experience and we have to overcome fear,

(01:57:46):
because number one thing everyone on this planet has to overcome.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Is fear, exactly every single way. And fear is the
illusion of love's absence.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Correct. And then there's always somebody, always somebody who will
stand up and go, I know the way. Yeah, And
when you're terrified, I'm like, I want to give him
the power, right, right, it's usually a hymn. I'll give
him the power because if anything goes wrong, I can
blame him, yeah, yeah, and I don't have to blame

(01:58:18):
myself right where Joshua, Buddha, all of them said, the
responsibility is within you, within you, The Kingdom of Heaven
is within you. Everything is within you. But then that's scary,
especially if you have certain dogma, certain training, certain programming
that you raised with. Then you're like, wait a minute.
If it's if I'm if I'm God, then oh that's

(01:58:39):
too much pressure. And I'm like, but and they start
looking for something, whether it's a dogmatic idea, a new
age idea, a religious idea, whatever they need to grab
onto something to build their reality around. It's the rarity
to see a soul walk through this experience, being open
to everything and trying to grab it. That's where we

(01:59:01):
have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
And my friend, I'm going to compliment you on your
platform because that is exactly what your platform does. It
puts various truths in front of an audience for them
to pick and choose from. You know, I often say
on my channel, I only speak my truth, but I
would never judge you for your truth unless your truth
is harming another right. That's to me, that's the only thing.

(01:59:23):
If you're harming somebody else, I'm gonna speak up. I'm
gonna say something. But if you if you believe like
my friend Leshik, and I'm gonna throw his name out
so he'll feel good about being on your channel. He
is one of the most beautiful people you'll ever meet.
He's he's always smiling, he's always joyful. You see him

(01:59:44):
and you all you smile a second you meet him.
He is so deeply into the law of one material,
which to me is far too complex. You know, it's
it's much more complex, I think I think it's I
think it's all far simpler.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
But Lushik is so beautiful, so caring, so loving. I
think he found his way.

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
That's his that's his thing, that's his thing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
And I think that when I went to Egypt and
I met amazing Muslim people who are just beautiful and
loving and caring and treated me like a family member.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
But that's the story they held on to to make
sense of this world. Yes, yes, everyone grabs onto the story.
And by the way, they were probably grabs onto that
story because they were born into that story.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
They were born into that story, right. And what I
find fascinating about your story and my story and a
lot of Catholic stories, is from a young age, we
start questioning, this doesn't make sense because our truth is
showing itself, our truth is and we get knocked down
for our truth, you know, we say we can't you know, well,
but but what that doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
George Carlin said. George said this, He said, is God
is all powerful? Can he make a rock that he
himself cannot lift? Right?

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
Like head blown?

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
But head blown?

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Right? I heard the other day We're gonna go geek
here for a second. It was Josh Brolin was on
the talk show and he was talking about going to
cons and you and I have been to a connor too,
I'm sure a comic book con or something like that
over the years. And he goes, uh, you know, it's
not the most pleasant thing for him. And he was
talking to other people like, oh, we love like, I
love the fans. I think the fans are really cool.

(02:01:25):
He goes, But but these fans, they'd come up and
they said, hey, Josh, I'm gonna do it in my
Simpsons comic book voice. If you're talking about if you
were klan Os, if you were klan O's and you
could snap your fingers to wipe out half the universe,

(02:01:46):
you could also snap your fingers to double all the
resources in the universe, which was reasoning for it Snappy exactly, like,
of course, that's a plot hole. We forgot about it,
think about it, and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
So many plot holes, and you know, it's it's it's
it's the concept of of one story being the right one.
The plot holes always show up. But when you step
back and you look at the what's consistent in all
the stories, that's where you find truth.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
And that's what I try to do.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Yeah, and that's exactly what your channels.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
I love to talk to everybody about every kind of
walk of life and learn new things about everything. But
the one thing that I have a unique perspective on
is I have the ability to now look at hundreds
of stories, hundreds of ideologies, and I start to see
the patterns when you study like that and you start

(02:02:45):
seeing the patterns. Oh, they're just saying this, but just
with a different flavor on it, and this and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
That, and the labels are confining very much. So they're
the boundaries of limitation of belief.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Before we go, I just want to hear your take
on hellser on hell, yes, because it's one of my
favorite things as a Catholic to talk about because for
in first grade, I was told that there was a
hell and I went home crying. Yeah, because imagine telling
a five year old, a six year old that if
you eat meat on Friday, it's got you done. Yeah yeah,

(02:03:19):
And then later on I'm like, so you mean that
if I eat meat, I go to Hell, and if
I kill somebody, I go to Hell. Something I get
plot hole, right issues. So I'd love to kind of
demystify this whole idea of hell. Sure, because there is
no hell in the Old Testament.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
There is no Hell in the Old Testament. There's only
shie Old Yeah, which basically means you just go into Well, well,
there's two different version of what it means. One of
it is just the place where dead people go, right,
and the other one is a hole on the ground
like a grave. Right, You're just kind of like, hey,
you're going to a grave.

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
That's it. That's the end of it, right, And yeah,
there's no there is there heaven?

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
Do you not believe? So there is there is no
eternal reward punishment in Judaism.

Speaker 1 (02:04:02):
That that's just surprising. There's a lot of punishment.

Speaker 2 (02:04:07):
Of a lot, but it's not there's an eternal damnation.
Ideologies that came with Christianity because they needed more, they
needed more, right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Because there is no to my understanding, there is no
like Vatican City for Judaism back in the old like
there wasn't a centralized Judaism.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Is the people correct? It's exactly right. Well, so let's
talk about it. Let's talk about hell first. Okay, the
construct of hell and in Jeshua's time had nothing to
do with the construct of hell of Christianity today. The
devil and the devil and all that Dante Dante Inferno exactly.

(02:04:46):
But in the the earliest text are written in Greek,
and they use the term hades.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
Yeah, well that's that's old, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
That's pagan idea. Alogy of a terrible place, and Jeshua
used the word Gehenna and was a valley where a
Judaic warlord killed a bunch of children, and so it
became a place known for torment and terrible things.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
Wasn't there a garbage dump?

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
Later on? It supposedly became a trash dump or things
were burned, right, burning, And if you're a bad kid,
you're gonna go burning ghanda, right, you know. So this
this ideology of hell. But but hell became a very
very profitable little ideology, right because.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
Good sized business.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
And when you go to the sacrament, so once again
that that lasts, right, So you're gonna burn a hell
if you don't give us all your money to your house, right,
So this idea of this, Now, for there to be
a hell, there has to be satan. Oh you need
a yeah, yeah, But in the ancient text satan did
not mean an individual person or an individual entity or
even uh the opposing force of God of good news.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
Es actually wheat gluten. That turns into that satan.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
Satan. There you go, and we all know gluten it
is bad for you exactly. So satan meant accuser, someone
who accused you of something, and anybody could be a satan.
So if I accused you of something, I was the satan,
and you have been called that many times. It also

(02:06:20):
meant temptation. So forty days in the desert battling Satan
could have easily been forty days in the desert battling
his own temptations. Yeah, could have been easily been the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
Again, nobody was there, No one was there, right, So.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
As it goes further on this, this ideology starts to
become into eternal damnation and stuff like that. With our
friend Paul, he starts pushing this idea of this eternal
damnation l but he was also the one pushing celibacy
for every Christian because he believed that the end of

(02:07:00):
the world was coming and Hell was coming soon.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say, that's not a great way
to procreate it, No, do move it along.

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
And he thought specifically they shouldn't be having babies because
the end is coming. Hell is coming, right, So he
had this idea Hell or Heaven is coming. By the
time Dante comes around, the medieval Church had already started
creating this structure of hell. Right, Dante writes, the Inferno.
Now there's nine levels, and there's a devil, and there's
demons and all this stuff. Yeah, they grabbed on to it.

(02:07:27):
Joshua never said it. If he said hell in the Bible,
which there are many Bibles say, he said hell a lot,
but he would have said she ol. He wouldn't have
said damnation and all this stuff. But he did talk
about the Genna, the Gehenna.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Yeah, he's like in a sermon, he's like, if you
guys don't get your stuff, you can get.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Yeah, you're gonna end up in a bad.

Speaker 1 (02:07:47):
Way about Yeah, it's gonna go.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
He was just using It's like, it's just like the
body and blood of Christ. Thing right. He said, remember
me when you eat and drink. That's basically what he said.
In other words, I'm teaching you this truth. I'm teaching
you this truth, and I want you to remember it
as frequently as you eat and drink, keep it in
your daily idea. He didn't say my body is this

(02:08:10):
piece of bread and my wine, my blood is that wine?

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Right? You know?

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
He said, remember me as frequently as you eat and drink,
because that's something you do all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08:24):
So so there's no help, no help, no help, no
hell fantastic, there's no satan, no satan, but satan. They
took that kind of from the eating Book of Enoch, right,
if I'm not mistaken, the fallen the fallen angel is.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
That well, that's Lucifer. That's a different that's a different person.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Oh, hold on a second, now, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
So Lucifer is a different Lucifer was a fallen angel,
but not the opposing force of God. He's one who
fell from grace came to earth.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
Yeah, but he did, he go down, So he's not
Lucifer is not the ruler.

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
He's no longer in the divine essence up here. He's
now condemned to.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Earth, kind of like condemned it. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
Lilithaid Adam's first wife. She came down.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Sorry, and it's just like Adam already got divorces. I can't,
I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:09:09):
So Lilith was not made of Adam's rib She was
an independently minded woman. Who quote unquote wanted to be
on top. And in the time period of Judaism, if
the woman was on top, that meant she had subjugated
her male of course, and so you would have been

(02:09:32):
a subjugate of the woman in a patriarchal time and
that doesn't work. So because this was an issue, she
left Adam and went off in the world began in
that theology became a tormentor demon were right and at
that time right? And then Eve was made from Adam's ribs,

(02:09:55):
so as he was, she would be forever subjugated to Adam.

Speaker 1 (02:09:59):
Will be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. So where does the
where's the Little's story?

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
Oh, it's it's in. It's in old texts like coming
out of Judaism and and a lot of those other stories.
And you find it in some of the some of
the earliest like Gnostic style stuff. There's mentions of it
in there. It's not something that's that's one hundred percent
accepted by everybody, uh in it, but it's but it's there.

Speaker 1 (02:10:30):
It's another part of the another part.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Of the it's there, it's and and they just said no.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
So so Lucifer is just a fallen angel. So where
did Lucifer become the devil? Because he's known as the devil.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
Lucifer became the devil about the same time that Mary
Magnall became the prostitute. Oh well that power back, yeah, yeah,
because what happens is they start saying, we have to
start making this concise so it's easy more easy to understand.
And Paul said women shouldn't be allowed to speak to
her or or or be in the same temple with

(02:11:04):
the with the men, obviously right, and so for Jeshua
to have a wife or someone he loved and who
was powerful would have been completely anesthetical. So they married
the story of the prostitute to her. There the only
mention of Mary Magdalene in the in the Gospels is
her going to the tomb the day after and seeing

(02:11:26):
that he wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
How about wasn't she at the cross?

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
Well it doesn't say that in the Bible, but she
was because my past life progression memory, I had her
here and his mother here.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
I've had multiple channels come on the show who've channeled
Mary Magdalene and from many stories and also mystics as well.
That I've heard is that Mary was a disciple of Jesus.
She was a master in her own right, and she
financed She came from a wealthy fish.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
She did come from a wealthy fan.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
And she financed his ministry because she probably she probably did.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
I don't have a course. I can only speak of
what I know. What's interesting about about her was she
was living in a very patriarchal time. So for her
to come out and to say to claim to be
someone who was that that enlightened would have been she'd
been stoned to death and they were trying to And
then you look at the Gnostic Gospel of Mary Magdalene

(02:12:21):
and she tells this amazing vision that she came from Jeshua.
But then in the end, Peter says, why should we
listen to you? You're a woman, you know, why would
Jesus say that to you? Why would he bring that
to you? And then Levi says, what are you talking about?
He loved her more than us. Of course she's going
to come to her. Of course he's going to talk
to you. But Peter, you're just some surly guy, right,

(02:12:43):
And Levi stuck up for her. But the concept that
Peter and the other disciples were against her. Was very
much relevant to the time period, right. Do I think
she understand Geshua's teachings, Absolutely, But I think that those
teachings were so simple and so antithetical to the Jewish
faith and the Roman people that her saying it as

(02:13:07):
a woman would have been even more deadly for her.
Oh yeah, I would have been even more deadly for her.
But I yeah, I totally believe. When you look at
the painting I did of the two of them together laughing,
you know, she's got her head pressed onto his neck
and she's just they're just laughing together because they were
being the love in the now, right, And that was
the essence of it in my opinion. Like I said,
I can only speak my truth. I would never judge

(02:13:29):
anyone for believing differently than I, unless, as I say,
they're harming someone.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
John, we can keep going for a find out, which
is terrible. This is a deep, deep well, my friend.
I knew this was going to happen. I've barely looked
at any questions I'm asked. I don't think I've looked
at one question at all. It's just us riffing, which
is beautiful. Now, I'm gonna ask you a few questions.
I ask my guess. There might be a couple of

(02:13:53):
new ones in there, so oh good. What is your
definition of living a fulfilled life?

Speaker 2 (02:13:57):
To be love in the now and to express that
love and feel that love coming to and from me
every moment.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
If you had a chance to go back in time
and speak to little John, what advice would you give him?

Speaker 2 (02:14:07):
Go back to little John, I would tell him that
all the powers within him, no matter what's being done
to you at this time.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
And he would have said, heresy. Now, what would little
John's advice be to you today?

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
Little John's advice be to me, Oh, that's an easy one.
Have fun, have fun, just be just be joy, be loved.
Let me laughter. How to define God or source everything
in everyone? And we are just the director of what
this energy shows us.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
What is love?

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
Everything and everyone? And we are the director of everything.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
That's very lazy, but okay, And what is the ultimate
purpose of life?

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
We end it with an easy one, and once again
I'm going to say, is it is to be an
express love in the now, to be here in this
one present, conscious moment and be the essence of love.
The jessh Love one another? How about that one?

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
Now? Where can people find out more about you and
the amazing work you're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:15:05):
Oh, thank you for saying that it's amazing. You can
get find me at John OFFNEUW dot com or on
my YouTube channels, John of New or The Recovering Catholic.
One of them is more controversial than the other.

Speaker 1 (02:15:16):
Obviously, obviously. And do you have any party messages for
the audience?

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
Yeah, understand that though you may have doubts, then you
may have self worth issues. Those are from your past.
And you are the author of your story. And until
you acknowledge that you're the author of the story, you'll
be a character in somebody else's. And so take this
moment and look at the blank page in front of
your side. Am I writing a comedy or a tragedy?
And I'm going to tell you comedies are much more fun.

Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
Well played, sir, well plate, John is a pleasure having
you on the show is a pleasure having you here
in the studio, and I look forward to many other
collaborations in the future. Sir. We're working on one right now.
I'll end off with this. We're working on a course.
We're doing a very special course that we're doing together
that will be available at Next Level Soul and over.

(02:16:06):
Then we'll tell everybody about it when it comes out.
But there's some we're gonna be doing some cool stuff together.
So John, I appreciate you and everything you do and
awake and this planet and this people that we are
so thank you, my friend, and.

Speaker 2 (02:16:18):
The same to you, Alex. This platform you've created is
a seed that's growing into something far more beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:16:25):
We are trying, sir, We are trying. So I appreciate you. Burn.
I want to thank John so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over in the
show notes at next levelsoul dot com forward slash six
two five. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you,
there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely

(02:16:47):
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(02:17:07):
so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.
It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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