NLS 641: Indigenous Psychic REVEALS the MYSTERIOUS Spirits GUIDING & PROTECTING You Every Day with Shawn Leonard

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podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily
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or any of the companies they represent. Now, guys, today
we welcome back one of my favorite guests and honestly
one of my favorite people in the world, Sean Leonard,
who is an indigenous psychic and his lovely, amazing show

(01:49):
Spirit Talker, is also on Next Level Soul TV. If
you haven't had a chance to watch it, it is
pretty transformative, to say the least, and we are working
on getting season two of Spirit talk on soon as well.
In this conversation, we talk about something I've never talked
about on the show, which is totem animals, totem animal spirits,
how you can connect to the energy of your totem

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animal spirits, and much much more. This is I just
love this conversation, guys, so let's dive in. I like
to welcome back to the show returning champion Sean Leonard. Man.
How you doing, Sean, Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's so awesome, Alex So. I think it's super cool
to be a returning a chair.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I appreciate you coming back now.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I absolutely love you. I love your show, I love
your your audience. I love everybody that's on his guests.
So I feel very honored and privileged to be back here.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You've made the trip from the Great White North, Sir.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So white right now still, thankfully. But the leaves are
getting different colors right now.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
But when you walked out here, you're like, oh, it's hot,
it's a little little crispy out here. Is that the
devil just exactly? But well, first of all, the thank
you for being part of this Oul Mastery summit. We
had your your sessions one like one of the favorites.
People loved your sessions because you were just telling story

(03:08):
after story after story and it was just such beauty.
And I sat there like this, just sat there.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Tell me, Sean, so I have that natural ability of talking.
You are a storytelling It could be a curse to
my wife.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
But other than that, brother from another talker to a
talker to another talker, my wife is also the same, like, okay,
can we this is a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm like Michelle, are you still listening to me?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I stopped fifteen years ago. So we have a new
book coming out and we're going to talk. I've never
had this conversation on the show, which is exciting for me.
You have a book called Walking with Your Spirit Totem Animals,
Discovering the Four Animals that guide you through life. So
I've heard of obviously totems. You know, even the American

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Indians have those total totals. Yeah, total polls right in
a different totem. And you know, every major sports franchise
has a totem. Many of them are animal totems, you know,
like the cougars, the jaguars, the dolphins. I'm very sad.
I'm a Dolphins fan. Uh, it's been sad since the
j is just one the other day. They look at that,

(04:16):
you know, the fierce blue jays. That's the fierce attacking
flue jays. But so, explain to me what is a
spirit tote of animal? What what do you mean by
like connecting to your specific animal. Because from our from
the Latino culture, and this is more Mexican than Cuban,
but we have if you saw Coco, uh, the Coco
move the movie Coco about the Day of the Dead.

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There are spirit animals, there's in the in the Mexican
culture who on the other side are protectors of you
and and guide you and help you along the way.
So in the Latino culture, we are aware of these
kind of things as well. So I'm somewhat familiar with,
like you know, a totem animal or an animal that
helps you or guide you through the side. But we're look,

(05:00):
tell me, tell me, sir.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Explain to me what this is. Well, in indigenous culture,
you know, we're we have a deep relationship and connection
to the animal nation. And it's not just indigenous people obviously,
what you're saying is the Mexican people and Egyptian people,
you know, the Pagans, the Celtics. You know, there's so
many across cultural people to Hindu people especially too. Yeah,

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you know, I mean so pre Christianity, pre like kind
of new thought of what we thought was new thought
two thousand years ago, which an assented master came and
we kind of like started to kind of driven out
all other kind of ideals, especially within Turtle Island or
North America, that even indigenous people kind of lost our
connection to the understanding of the animal nation, and it's

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really I feel coming back and I think we, you know,
we can't walk through life and harmony without with the animalation.
Mane of us have pets, or many of us received
signs of messages from the spirit world from animals as well,
or insect nation, or you know, ocean and our creatures,
et cetera, animals of the air, and I feel like
that they carry messages for us. And you know, growing up,

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I'm from the bear nation. I'm MIGM from Nova Scotia, Canada.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So the MGM is a bear is their totem?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, there's different totems in relation to you know that
we have what's the word I'm looking for? But we
were the clans, okay, So the bear clan, the bear clan,
there's the Eagle clan, the Caribou clan, the beaver clan,
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Blue j clan.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I don't know how many blue jay clans, but it
sounds like a pretty.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Cool one in Toronto, I think.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
But the clan system was predominantly set up in indigenous
people too, because we didn't have last names, okay, So
to genetically have a strong tribe, you didn't marry people.
If you were from the Bear clan, you didn't marry
people within the Bear clan.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh, so you you actually were. You were actually not forced,
but you were like encouraged to marry it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Outside side of your clan.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's a good sign. That's it is. You don't needed
a bunch of inbred bears.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
So we know, right, so right, that's why it was
so important to connect with other cultures, other indigenous people.
And that's why sometimes there was trades within communities that
had different clan systems so that we would be healthy
and well and something we would have known throughout the ages.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
So that's very interesting. So even at the and this
is we're going back hundreds of thousands of years of
this kind of stuff, they knew that we can't marry
within this gene pool. We need to strengthen our immunity
in our lives. We need to kind of mix with
other cultures.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
With other cultures and societies of indigenous.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So they knew that at a base level. They did.
At a base level. They're like, no, we're Bear clan.
We only with Bear clan.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, No, we beautiful for being from the Bear clan.
Even though growing up and knowing this because I was
taught this by the chief of Mabugak First Nation, which
is the nation which I'm from or connected to that.
I never really never had any strong connection to the
animal nation as I was young, because I mean, again,

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you know, indigenous people have lost their culture predominantly because
of like colonization and residential schools and all these things,
which is kind of been stripped from us of our understanding,
our ideals that elders have been passed out to us.
So we're remembering, we are relearning some of these concepts.
In a sense, there's elders that would be able to
pass these things down, but there are a few. And

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so for me, particularly and predominantly, it wasn't you know,
growing up, I had an immense connection to the animal nation.
And and you know I used to have a pet raccoon,
a pet crow. I'd saved a few other birds in
my time, and I had cats and dogs and you
have what you call like animal fur family, you know,
so I felt very strong and we do today, right,

(08:48):
And you know, even back to Egyptian times, you know
they had you know, they revered their cats and their
connection to cats, right, and they were even buried with
their cats.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, poor cats.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Right, hopefully they finished.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hopefully they finished it, like oh he's that damn it.
I gotta go too.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But you know, our ancestors are helping us remember our
cross cultural connection with the animal nation and how it's
kind of like appeared to me in a sense, even
though I'm an indigenous person, was through dreams.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
As I was thinking, as you're talking, I was thinking,
I'm like, every culture has this. I mean Africa, for
God's sakes, Africa and in Australia with the Aboriginine. It's
a very kind of not primitive but base thing of
we had a deeper connection with the animal nation in
our past, and we've kind of lost that as we've

(09:38):
gotten more intellectual or more this and more that we've
lost the feeling of it. But now people are it's
kind of like we've gone over the hill a little
bit and now we're like, no, no, this religion thing's
not really working out for us. Let's start going back
to things that we're pagan or things like that and
connecting with your animal, your animal partner and things like that.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think that you know, even in Christianity, you think
about it, you know, they have spiritual beings have not
ever lived a life on Earth, and angels that are
across kind of human nation and the bird nation.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh yeah, the way it's depicted yet, yeah, it's depicted
that way.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Do they appear that way to all people all the time, No,
they don't. I've I've met angels myself, and that's right,
and they appear to people differently.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
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Speaker 2 (10:32):
And I don't think they necessarily need to appear as
a winged with.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
A flaming sword.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Have I seen an angel like that? Yeah, I recently
have had that experience. I have a course called Spirit
Talker Tribe, and at the end of the year we
have a gathering within the course. It's called Spirit Talker
Tribe Live, and it's for all my students who come.
And there's a lady doing readings on my session named
Lisa don Bryan, and she's a first year student. She's
really stepping into her abilities, and so I give people

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who really stepping into their abilities at the live session
if they would like to get up and do sessions.
She stood up on stage and she did session. She
did amazing I was so proud of her because I
was a big part of that development and unfoldment within her.
So I'm really grateful. I feel like a proud daddy
in a sense of like helping people become the people
they need to be beautiful. And so as she was speaking,

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I saw something with her and it was psychically, not
like physically, but you know, psychically through clairvoyance. I saw
this beautiful woman standing with her arms outstretched with like
feathers all beneath her arms. And I said that it
was so strange. I said, at least, I said, I
just saw this. She says, well, that was the lady
who came to me in my dear death experience. This

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is the lady who brought me back to earth when
I died.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So it's an angel.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It was an angel. Now in indigenous culture, like we
celebrate the connection, the cross culture connection between the end
animal nation in the human nation, and hence are pow wows.
You may have heard of a power before. In Migmah,
we call them mauiomi's, which is the gatherings. And as
we gather, then we may embody the prairie chicken or

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the bear, or the wolf or the fox or even
the great Eagle. And there's different dances and ceremonies that
we would do to kind of like represent that.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
And in those ceremonies, are they about connecting or like
are you trying to connect with the spirit? Like what
does that mean exactly? There's a celebration when.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You're you're a spirit for a short time, and it
doesn't necessarily have to be your totem. It may be sure.
You know, maybe for myself, I would I would maybe
dress up as a bear or the eagle or et cetera,
because those are some of my totems.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I see that you have an eagle, Yeah, so are you?
Is that because that's not your clan? Your clan's bear. No,
so why do you wear the eagle? Out of curiosity?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's in the Seven Grandfather Teachings. One but my name
is while back gip aguda mahajic, jig mouhamajic in migmas.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Easy for you to say, just all gonna get test
you offter to see if you can say that.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I have hard enough time saying it, forgot.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm not good with names, Bob, So you know, white
eagle spirit talker, Okay, that is my translation. That's their
translation in English, which is my migma name in English
is White Egle Spirit Talker. So I carry eagle medicine now,
mind you. Even though when the elder had gifted me
the name, I had been finding eagle feathers everywhere. But

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that summer I was in Newfoundland visiting some of my
relatives and close to the Mabuga First Nation, and I
was out on a few beaches and I found three
white tail feathers from an eagle.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I didn't tell the elder, and then I come home
and I thought it was very kind of significant that
I would find three white tail feathers. And then when
he went into trance and then you know he was
gifting me my name through ceremony, he kind of goes
in into altra state of channelness of sorts, and then
says you're to be known as w Back gooda magic jugumamagic,
which is white Eagle Spirit Talker. And so then I

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felt that the Eagle nation had been with me. And
it's the highest of all the seven Grandfather teachings, because
there's seven grandfather teachings number one, the Wolf Humility number two,
True Turtle number three bravery bear. I got them on
over here, so you just love, yes, Because I find

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when I'm on the spotlight sometimes I forget this right,
So I'd rather not forget this. This is pretty important. Respect. Buffalo,
Wisdom Beaver and salbe are bigfoot, which is honesty, you.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Say, bigfoot. Yeah, okay, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's that's the one that everybody's going
to be interested in. But love is kind of the
foundation of the sound seven Grandfathers teachings, which is what
Eagle embodies. So how I approach my work as a
spirit talker, you know, and a psychic medium, as some
people may know, I'm an Indigenous psychic medium. That love
is how I approach all my work, how I approach spirit,

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how I approach the ancestors, and that's how they approach
me and respect me and will return. So it's a
medicine that I carry. It's within my name, and that's
why on the egle that they have the heart. Now
there's also on the eagle you may see some strawberries,
you know, and strawberries in Indigenous culture represents a heart medicine.
So it's medicine that different plants can help us within life,

(15:18):
and it's good medicine for your heart and to walk
through life. It's even in the shape of your heart
if you think about it, of course, So like.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
The walnut is in the shape of your brain, right, absolutely,
your brain, right, Kylie flower right looks broccoli. Those have
kind of brain as esque. They're good for your brain.
It's awesome, it's pretty amazing. It's nature is amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Absolutely. So love flies, you know, or the eagle and
the medicine of unconditional love that it carries, why we
see it that way, and the condor for southern Southern
America Native American people would be very similar as the
eagle nation. But the eagle flies higher than all the
other birds closer to what we say is gazulk or
Grandfather's son or nis gum, which is Grandfather's son in

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the sky, which we feel and see as the first
physical emanation of light within our solar system. But we're
all star people. We're all made from the stars. We're stardust,
so we see that when we that's why we're all
drawing kind of unconsciously to sunsets or to the sunrise,
and you know, just standing in the sun and feeling it.
There's just this kind of like unconditional love that comes

(16:24):
from the Sun itself. It doesn't like Seawan, you know,
Sean only on Seawan or Sean.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
There might be a Sean out there who believes that
the Sun is only friend exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
It shines upon everyone unconditionally. So that's that kind of
like representation of the heart of our solar system and
that first light. As the egle flies higher, that eagle
receives first and it can fly above all the storms,
it can see from higher perspectives in the world and
see the world as a much greater space of being

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as opposed to its own personal experience. So that's why
we connect that medicine, that spiritual medicine to the ego itself.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Does that makes sense, That makes that makes perfect sense.
So okay, so you're you're can this is? I find
this so fascinating. One thing I've noticed that I've kind
of seen over the years is indigenous people from around
the world. They have much greater respect for animal life, yes,
and for plant life and for Mother Earth and all

(17:25):
of that. I'll never forget. I'd love The Last of
the Mohicans. That movie was beautiful in the beginning opening scene,
do you remember Last Mohicans?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't actual funny that you mentioned this because is
so strangely because for whatever reason, on my Facebook one
of the little algorithms of videos that the Last of
the Mohicans showed up. But it was the last battle,
not the beginning, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
So the beginning of that movie is a hunt and
when they are chasing a deer and they're trying to
and they're trying to kill it, and then when they
finally get it, they go down and they pray around it,
saying thank you for giving your life to feed us
and so on. That is a very kind of and
when I say primitive, I don't mean that in a
negative way, just kind of like a base, base level

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idea almost just like it's just what it is. It's
the right thing to do. We've lost that, We've had
a very big disconnect with our food and an animal
in the animal kingdom, though, I think you're right there
is starting to make a.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
We're starting to be more conscious of that. We're starting
to be more conscious we have to be. I mean,
have you heard of the White Buffalo calf woman prophecy?

Speaker 1 (18:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Okay, well, the White Buffalo calf woman was a Senate
master Okay that had visited the Lakota and Dakota people
way back in the day. And she had come and
brought a pipe and helped the indigenous people who lost
their understanding of what their culture and their ceremonies were.
So she brought the sacred pipe, which is just a

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tool for prayer and connection and remembering the connection of
all things. So she taught them things and then she
passed away. But before she passed away, she kind of
disappeared from my understanding as some ascent amassadors do. That
she said, I will come back, but when I do
come back, I'll come back with the message about I'll

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come back as the white Buffalo. So the white Buffalo
represents this kind of like pay attention again to the
balance of nature and all things within the world. And
I know that you have Spirit Talker show.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, we have Spirit talk one on Next Levels TV
on Next Level sol t very popular, people who love it.
People love it which.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Is on there and season one and we're working on
season two and season three. Now, yeah, absolutely, But you know,
in season four, I went to Sue Valley Decoda Nation,
and you know, way back when I first started to
get reconnected to my culture, I met this man Andre Chevrolet,
who is an algonquin medium, and he giveed me something

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and it never really clicked to me until much later
in life. But he gifted me a little glass bead
that had ashes of the white buffalo. And what's the
significance of him gifted me that? And I kept it
and I never thought about it anymore. And then you're
filming season four of Spirit Talker and I'm in Sioux
Valley Deakoda Nation and they have sixteen white buffalo.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
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Speaker 2 (20:29):
They have heard of buffalo, and you know, in the
odds of a white buffalo coming into the world are significant, Like,
I don't know, it's like one to the millions.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean there's some in Utah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But they started and the reason why they started to
become more apparent to us is because they're sending a
message from white buffalo calf woman about how we're to
remember the connection between us and all things in nature
and within the animal nation itself, because if there's not balance,
we won't be able to survive or live upon this
earth for are super long time. Because that's why it's

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so important that we keep in mind, you know, not
not allowing animals to go instinct, because there's like a
very delicate ecosystem within Mother Earth that we have to
care for. And you know, if we don't become stewarts
of the land, stewarts of the animal nation, and the
Sioux Valley people are stewarts of the buffalo because they
have given us life Indigenous people for so long. They

(21:24):
that they were caretakers to us. They provided food, stestenance, clothing,
you know, things to wrap our tools, to wrap our
teepees and wigwams in that you know, now it's time
for us to care for them. Does it mean that
we cannot harvest an animal from time to time? Yes,
I'm pretty sure they're not harvesting white buffalos. But because

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you would think I would, you would think they've never
mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
But here in America exactly one.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Canada a little bit different. But they, you know, and
I know they harvest an animal from time to time,
and but they they keep a healthy herd that is
strong and filling in the you know, in season four,
I got to meet Ey'd eye some of the white
buffalow and it was profound.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, I was in Utah and I actually went to
see one, and they're pretty pretty amazing. Yeah, pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
And you know, one of the things that the elder
had me do when I was there was tie a
tobacco prayer tie onto the fence where the buffalo were.
And when I stare it at the white buffalo, he
stared me in the eye and it was almost like
he was downloading me with information, like he was telling
me his stories, telling me about his life and what

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he represents within the world. And so I prayed. I
tied my prayer tie to the fence and he and
he come and put his head on my tie, and
it was like he was hearing my words. And I
was praying for his people. I was praying for my
nation of people, their nation of people. I was praying
for all people of the world to live life and
learn about balance and remembering who we are in that ecosystem.

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You know, we we and we think of and I
know just recently, which is sad, because just the other
day I got a message from somebody that several spirits
animals don't have spirits.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Right, Oh yeah, they animals will have souls. Yeah, anyone
who's ever looked into an eye of an animal exactly,
you can't tell me there's not.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
They carry love, they carry so many conditions death. I mean,
we all are created from the same source, right, And
we have a word in Migma, which I in all
indigenous cultures we say sidnogama in migma. But it's all
my relations and all of our ceremonies, our prayers are
words that we speak. We end that way, we start
that way. It's because it's acknowledging the connection between Grandfather's son,

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Grandmother Moon, mother Earth, us, the seven directions, all the
nations that walk upon Mother Earth or swim in the waters,
that fly in the sky. And it's important to remember
that all of these things are important. They all have
a spirit. And you know, when Indigenous people do we
do our ceremonies, you know, we we we honor those directions.

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We we we start in Bingmall culture, we start on
the east where the sun rises, right that first light,
the first light, and then we go around and then
we honor Mother Earth, you know, Grandfather's son or Niskam,
and and then we have to honor ourselves as well,
and that's one of those menut sinse that ego brings
to us because the heart is on the ego. And

(24:23):
to be an effective healer, teacher, speaker, podcast person who's
out there, you know, spreading you know, wisdom and knowledge,
you have to love yourself too. And I think this
is where, unfortunately, maybe a lot of face and beliefs
have put God on a pedestal or you know, on
a throne and and and forgotten that God Creator is everywhere.

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There's no place that the Creator is not right, and
that that delicate balance is deeply connected to us. And
I feel like the animals are reconnecting to us now
to help us remember that. And cultures atre belief systems
had that understanding knowledge, but it's been lost somewhat and
it's coming back again. And I think more people are

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going to have dreams of animals.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
You mentioned in the book the four life.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Stages, the four stages of life.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And yes, the four stages of life and how the
spirit animals evolve with us through those.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, can you explain that?

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think you know, because I feel like we have
specific animals that are connected to us right from birth
and we you know, according to the medicine wheel teachings,
because that's a big part of indigenous teachings is the
medicine wheel. You know, it starts in the eastern direction.
There's four directions, but they also represent not just the
direction of the cardinal directions, but also stages of life infancy, youth, adulthood,

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and elder stage of life. And for me, and this
is where when this wisdom has come to me, I
feel like it's being given to me by the animals
and the ancestors. Is that was not taught to me
by physical people. I know, I know, I know about
you know, the the stages of life from the medicine wheel.
But what I didn't realize is that these animal medicines,

(26:07):
even though they may have been attached or connected to
me all my life, I become more aware of them
at different stages of my life. So as very early
on in my life, you know, the ego was obviously
very connected to me. It became my indigenous name. And
then and then I was gifted the medicine of the
white buffalo. I connected deeply to a polar bear. That

(26:30):
was very profound, and that is like so amazing and
as of recently and I feel like because at the
different stages, I'm not an elder just yet, and and
that's something has to be bestowed upon you by somebody
within your community. That's not something I can just say
I'm an elder.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right like being part of the Jedi Council, right, you
need you dor to go, you may join the council.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So but recently I had the medicine of the owl
connect to me, and I know I'm moving into that
medicine because I'm fifty three and typically an indigenous culture,
you know, around fifty five or older, you could put
possibly potentially for be respected as an elder at that time.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I mean, you do get a discoun at the movie
theater exactly. So I'm just saying I'm almost there, sating
I'm a few more years.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
But I feel like at different stages of my life,
I've noticed that at least four animals and I'm not
saying only four, but there's different animals that have come
to you at different stages of life. And I've become
more aware of that now.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
But when you say polar bear, polar bear is not
part Is polar bear part of the culture in generally?
Do you see polar bear, like in your land where
your tribe was.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
No no, Well, in Newfoundland, in northern newfoland sometimes on
the ice floe, polar bears to come over to the
to the island.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
So it's not like a completely no foreign animal it is.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It's not like a typically known animal that would be
connected to the indigenous people. But we would have known
about them because they still come over every now and then.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I got kangaroo that you just I'm really associated with
the kangaroo. There's no kangaroos anywhere in wiscontinent.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, they come over on the ice right and then
the ice melts and they can't find their way back,
so sometimes they have to tranquilize them and bring them
back to like Labrador, which is another part of mainland Newfland,
because there's an island of Newfland, so up in the
northern part of Grossmore and park and stuff, sometimes a
polar bear will show up in your backyard.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's not something you want. Out of all the bears,
they're the most vicious. They're the biggest and the strongest,
right like they are. They're like even even grizzlies are massive,
but polar bears are no joke.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Just probably the largest land mammal I feel like in
regards to like the bear nation anyway for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Either yeah, I mean obviously elephant, but it's a massive
yes to the manage.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
And so with the with the bear, I mean, I
didn't know, although I've had many encounters for my life
with bears, and some of them are pretty freaky. You know,
when I was young, you know, run into the woods
with my with my dog, one of my fur family, right,
I didn't know there was a bear, and I was
I was going back there fishing, and then the dog
just took off in a bush beside me and out

(29:10):
pounced this young black bear, a baby bear. It was
a young It was a young black bear.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
It wasn't baby bear because because if a baby bear,
you know, moms around somewhere.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, hopefully my dog would have my back at that time.
But the bear just ran off. And there was another
time because way back you might not know this, but
I used to have like an eight pack, used to
be really.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
In shave, sure we all did.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I used to be like really fit back in the day,
just so you know. And I used to do these
racing called adventure racing, and through the venture racing I
did with the race that I did was called the
Full Moon in June, and the Full Moon in June
always took place on the full moon of June, of course,
and it was like a three day race. It was
a thirty six to forty two hour race. You did
it with a team of four people and you have

(29:52):
to have one person of the opposite sex. And it
was through the mountains of al Burt and British Columbia.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Stop and I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted, not just I'm like, oh,
oh no, please, I'm exhausted.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So anyway, on this race, I was always like the
fast I was always the person that was orienteering and
I was always the fastest hiker. Hence I became a
mailman at one point in life because I walked very fast.
And so anyway, I'm way ahead of my team and
we're probably third in third place, and there's like forty
two teams and we walk into this clearing and in
the clearing there's there's no trees because all the trees

(30:27):
had burned down from a forest fires from previous years.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
and now back to the show.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And we all hit headlamps on and I could see
half the distance my team, and beyond them there was
another forty teams that were coming over the all right,
And so I see this red thing way up high,
like there's got to be a tree here, right, what
could be read that high? And then there was another one,
and there was so far apart, and I'm like, there's

(31:02):
no way that's like that can't be an animal that
even if it was a bear, I mean I would
smell him or hear him. So I walk closer. I'm
from here, you know, from from here, not probably from
here to the wall. And upsteps this grizzly bear. Oh,
and I'm in a clearing with nowhere to go fast
and I didn't and they were, but he was, he

(31:23):
was sleeping. I think he get up on his hind
legs to smell me because he could tell that I
was coming. So anyway, I start waving my arms because
that's what you're supposed to arms, Walk backwards, be calm,
speak to him. So I'm like, I'm from the bar nation.
I don't taste good, and he didn't seem that interested.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Right, And I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Walking backwards and I tell my team to come up
and uh and it's like what I said, you guys
better get here now. And one of the ladies was
supposed to have because there was one lady in her
team who carried the bear spray, so I said, you
might want to whip that out and uh yeah, and
she goes, well, I didn't bring it because at our
last checks up they checked us if it was there,
and then I thought we would never need this. Here

(32:04):
we need it. And anyway, the bear starts walking towards
us all and so we start singing because when the couple,
the lady and the other person we're in our team
were French. So we start singing Phaarah Jaka. I don't
know if you know that name, Pharah Jaka. That's the
only song we knew together.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
No no no, no, no no no no no.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
So the bear walks pass us and it was like
a moment that I'll never forget, and walk just.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Walked right by. How big was he because there's the difference.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
It was probably the biggest grizzly I've ever seen in
my life.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
We're on about ten to fifteen foot high.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh probably at least that Jesus, if you think about
a sofa the length of a sofa and bigger around,
much bigger than a sofa, right, like just just massive
and uh and he kind of hoffed and growled a bit,
and it just was an interesting literally if you if
you can imagine this, like is it you know, was
it Moses a part at the sea. Yes, well that's

(32:57):
what it was like, the bear going through all the lights.
It was just like the all parting as he walked
through the mall. But I had a moment and it
made me think, you know, things like this was in
an accident, you know, I keep running in the bears.
It wasn't until I really had a profound dream though
that really clicked with me. And in my dream, this
is probably about ten years or so ago, right, I

(33:22):
was in a field very much like I saw the
Grizzly And as I was walking through this field, I
saw seven shadows of people that were chasing me. And
I don't know why they were chasing me, but I
knew they were going.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
To do me some harm.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
So I started running and I could see the trees
off in the distance, and I'm running as fast as
I can, right trying to get away from these shadows
who I don't know who they are, why they're they're
what they were trying to do. And then out of
the woods, which is odd because polar bears don't live
in the woods.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
No, there are no woods where they created.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Seven polar bears walk out of the forest. Interesting, and
they start running towards me and the other shadow people.
So I turned. I figured, well, you know what you
got outrun. If you can outrun the other guys, they're
going to get it. And I'm not. So I'm running
for my dear life towards them now, and I knew
I couldn't outrun them. I realized I couldn't out run them,
so I surrendered. I got on my knees and I

(34:14):
waited on the field and I kind of closed my
eyes in my dream and waited for them to eat me.
And all seven polar bears ran past me, and each
shadow that was in the field, the polar bear would
kind of pounce on and they would just disintegrate. And
then all seven polar bears turned around and walked into
one great bear and he looked me in the eyes,

(34:35):
and then I woke up. Oh my god, and I
was like, this polar bear wasn't there to hurt me.
This polar bear was there to protect me. And I
realized that there was different types of totems, Like there
was a spirit animal totem like the eagle that guides
me in a spiritual way, but there's also power totem
animals that they're there to kind of help protect you
when you're going to certain things.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Sean, let me ask you because this is fascinating to me.
All Right, So when you're saying you're connecting to the
the power of the polar bear, let's use the polar
bear as an example. Is this on the other side,
because that's very mystical to me what this is. You know,
it's the idea of the power of the polar bear
that you're connecting, but you're connecting to something else, Like

(35:15):
that's not a you're connecting to like almost like a
network or a source, the source of polar bear. So like,
let's say there's a soul of the polar bear, an oversoul,
the essence, the essence of polar bear is on the
other side, and they're there to help humanity. Now that
essence that I'm gonna call it the over soul for

(35:36):
lack of a better word. So the polar bear oversoul
that represents all polar bears around this world has his
sparks all around and every time there's a polar bear,
it's part of mother polar bear.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
They also create I guess totems or that energy you
can tap into because you're connected to them somehow. Does
that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Right? In Indigenous coach, we call it medicine. That like
the essence is the medicine that they embody right, that
they can help you or you can call upon if
need be. So if you're facing certain situations, you may
you may need to be brave, bravery to face challenge.
You could call upon the bar nation to kind of
help and guide you.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And when you say help and guide you, what does
that mean?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Well, the medicine because they're like polar bears predominantly if
you could think about, you know, the lives that they lived,
very remote, isolated locations through the harshest conditions that you
can imagine living through. And they're very durable, very durable,
right and and and and you know all other creatures
are scared of them, even especially they.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Can swim, they can well, I mean they're.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, powerful absolutely, and they can go massive distances and
do it all by themselves. So when you're facing a challenge,
and at that time, I didn't know I was going
to be facing a challenge, and I did. And I
don't want to get too deep into it, but there
is a family of seven people that had showed up
and one of the people took me to court and

(37:05):
was suing me. Anyway, I won, and then they appealed
and I won that. But the whole time I remembered
that the bear was with me and that that medicine
was going to help me through this. And it went
on for a long time, and it cost a lot
of money to kind of deal with, but I dealt
with it and I got through it. And but I
know it was a teaching lesson for me. And you

(37:26):
know people that come in that create chaos or problems
or issues in your life. I mean, everybody's teaching us something, right,
and the bear was teaching me to endure and to overcome.
And that's what I used to the old time. I
actually have a polar.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Bear claw with you.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, I wear it all the time. And when I
connected to the bear or the bear connected to me,
that the polar bear, I woke up I told my
wife Michelle, Michelle the polar Bear connected to me, and
I got in my head that I wanted to have
a claw. I said, you know, I need validation that
this bear is with me, this great bear, and I

(38:02):
don't know how this is going to happen. So I
had a ceremony. I went on into the forest and woods.
I laid some tobacco, I smudged. I spoke to the ancestors,
including the Great White Bear while back moon, and I said,
if you were if I'm meant to carry your medicine,
if You're meant to walk with me in life, I
need you to validate in a very unique and special way.

(38:23):
I want you to send me a polar bear claw.
I don't know how or how it's going to come
to me, but I'd really like it if you could
send me a claw. And I just let it go.
And then months later I get a parcel in the
middle from a lady named Barbara Kemp Bishop who lives
in Newfoundland and was just in Labrador, and she wrote

(38:44):
me a little letter and with a little package that
was wrapped in a red cloth, and she said, I
just met with some Innook elders in Labrador and the
altar had gifted me two polar bear claws, and he said,
this one's for you, Barbara. But I have to tell you, Barbara,
this other clause meant for someone else, and you have
to gift it to this other person. And I can't

(39:05):
tell you who it is, but you'll know who you
were supposed to gift this to. So she went home.
She goes, I thought about it like for five minutes,
and I only could think of you, She gus, So,
I hope that you accept this gift that has given
to me to gift to you, and I wear it.
I'll show it to you. So this is my.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Claw, that's just she look at the size of that thing.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's a polar bear claw.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Oh my god, that's probably the pinky finger.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yes, yes, yes, I'm a young bear of myself.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
The a pack has gone, I feel.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But since then it's gotten stranger because even though that's
an amazing thing that has happened. Shortly after that, another
lady came to my house named Lori Crudo, and she
does she's MiG Ball and she did some part time
taxi Germany. And she goes, I was just working on
a polar bear rug, and I have a little piece
left over, and I thought I should gift it to
you for your smudge bowl. And then a week later

(40:06):
after that, somebody called me and said, Sean, I you know,
me and my mom could really use a session, and
I know that you don't do them anymore, but I
have this old polar bear rug in my closet that
I was thinking of what I could do with it.
And I thought about you and thought about offering her
to you. If you could do a session for me,

(40:27):
I'm like, let me check my calendar. I think I
can work this out. And then even writing the book
Welcome with the Spirit Toono Animals, I received another claw.

Speaker 1 (40:40):

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I received another rug which a lady reached out to
me and said, you know, can you meet me her
and her husband. This lady, missus Finnigan, and her husband,
her father in law passed away, her husband's father, and
he met some Inook elders up in Northwest territories like

(41:11):
fifty years ago, and he traded a sled for a
polar bear rug with the head, the claws, everything, and
he recently passed away and they were looking at it
and thought, what can we do with this? You know,
it's in their closet another rug, and we thought that

(41:34):
you would be honored to have this. You would you
accept this gift. We have the papers for it from
where it came from and all this, and I'm like,
I would absolutely love to have that. So I'm up
to six different parts of different bears.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Over the years.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Over the years, and you know, while I was writing
this book, the sixth piece have come to me. I'm
still waiting for one more. I believe for this the
seven bears. Now an indigenous culture, we have the seven
Grandfather teaching. Seven is a very spiritual numbers in relation
to the directions, et cetera. So I don't think it
was an accident that those seven bears that come to me.

(42:13):
But it's this is not for me. I mean, in
my egotistical sense of thinking, this is me, Oh, this
is awesome, I get seven parts of bears. It's not.
It's about helping other people understand that the animalation is
connecting to us and wants to connect to us and
wants to walk with us all and that there's four
animals that probably walk with us all which are well.
It could be it depends on what yours are, right,

(42:35):
they're uniquely different to you.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Can you tell? But can you do a reading?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I could do a reading like I feel you have
a horse that is connected to you.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
An ass of a horse, because that would make a
lot of sense and would explains.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
The tiger too.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
For whatever reason, interesting a tiger aut that I've connected
with the tiger for many I was born in the
year of the Tiger. Oh were you no way?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Because I see a tiger and a horse. But you know,
but I would say to you, you know, call upon them,
you speak to them, invite them to reveal themselves to you.
But you if you already feel connected.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
To the tigers, I've always I don't wear a tiger
or anything. You don't you know, I'm not. It's not
Scarface the giant tiger or so I don't. But I've
always I just when I was learning about horoscopes and
stuff like that back in the day, I heard I'm like,
what year was I born? I'm like, I was born
because we all want to be born in the year

(43:31):
of the dragon, because Bruce lay. But I was born
the year of the Tiger. I'm like, well, that's not bad.
You know, it's not like the rooster. No, there's nothing
wrong with rooster people. But so I've always been connected
to the tiger energy wise, and anytime I see a
tiger or it's just something that's always been in the
background since I was a kid. When I heard about

(43:52):
that horse is new, but tiger when you said tiger,
is like, yeah, that's the that's the one animal that
really connects me.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So where's like the Siberian tiger from mainly India India,
And I'll tell you, you've lived many lifetimes in India, and
that's why the tiger's connected to you, and that's why
you're drawn to the culture, and that's why there's things
within you that is expressing itself to you.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, like right, Indian sants and.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
So there's a there's an animal medicine that has not
only walked with you, is walking with you in this life,
but is walking with you through many lifetimes. Interesting and
the tiger is one of.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Those that's beautiful. So how do you so like, so
everyone's watching this and saying or listening to this and
going this is fantastic, Sean. These stories are awesome. I
want seven polar bears. I would like a tiger to
hang out with me. What how can you connect with
them on a spiritual level? What can a normal non
indigenous echic media to connect to their totem animal and

(44:48):
how to connect with them, how to work with them,
how to talk to them? Like or do you just
sit there and go tiger like? How do you?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Well, you might already know some of your spirit tonament.
It was like you you already feel like you know
you have a connection to the tiger that I knew
for sure, And a lot of people are similar. There's
people out in the world that have a deep connection
to the feline nation. You know, they may have lived
many lifetimes in Egyptian culture. I have ten cats in
that right exactly. Yeah, or you've maybe had take cats
in your lifetime, which is me included. Yes, all at

(45:17):
the same time, you may already like there might be
already subtle hints that you feel drawn to a particular
animal and maybe.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Not why Well, the feline in general nation is something
I've always been drawn to, right, the tiger. I have
cats at home. I've had dogs too, but the cat
is something that's been very like, very drawn to.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
That, and some people are drawn to the canine nation,
you know, the wolves, and they're all like ancestor. The
wolves is the ancestors to all the canines that walk
on today. So you know there there there might be
already inkling within you of like at least one or
two animals that you within your slip within self yourself, Yes,
because the answer is always there. I mean, don't feel

(45:56):
like you have to come to me, That's what I say,
because I can't get to every what about coming to me?
This is about discovering this stuff within yourself or the
connection you have. Hence is why I wrote the book
Walking with Your Spirit, Tone of Animals right, which comes
out October twenty first. So if you're watching this after,
you know that's available everywhere, right and if you I'm
doing a class on October twenty third, a free class

(46:17):
teaching about it. And I have a meditation that if
you put your your receipt code on my website, then
you actually get the meditation. You'll get an intentional prayer
or ceremonial prayer that would invite your spirit animal totem
to connect to you. So I've given those oh for
free for people who are buying the book, awesome. But
if you don't buy the book, that doesn't mean you

(46:38):
can't have your own personal ceremony, that you can't go
somewhere sacred to you, a sacred space and make some
type of offering. It could be a crystal, It could
be a medicine that your culture works with, you know
predominantly in some way that resonates with you. It could
be saved, it could be Palo Santo or whatever it is.
Just make an offering and then speak from your heart

(46:59):
to the animal nation. If you're not sure of the animals,
if you if you are sure, you can call upon
those animals because you know you're facing a certain challenge
where you need to be brave, or you need to
be truthful, or or some of the other medicines. And
in the book I have written in extensively about the
seven grandfather teachings. But the Wolf, the turtle, the Bear

(47:20):
of the Eagle, the buffalo, and Sabe.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
We can talk about Sabby in a minute.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yes, I know, we'll get that. We'll say the best
last yea. Yeah, But you know you may work with
those medicines. You know, some of these are my totems.
But depending on what I'm facing and if I need
to be humbler or or embody humility in some way
because I'm speaking to people, you may call upon the
medicine of the wolf, because that's what that carries, that animal,

(47:47):
that essence, that particular spiritual medicine that they care that
you can use that to face a certain situation. And
we don't, like an indigenous people, we don't have it
like the tank commandments we have with the seven Grandfather's Teachings,
which represent ways we can approach life so that we
are cohesive and help each other and work together, you know.

(48:08):
And each of these animals carry different medicines like wolf, humility, bear, bravery, love, eagle,
et cetera. Turtle truth. And I mean the turtle has
been what two hundred million years upon mother Earth?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh god, yeah, at least.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Two hundred million.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Shark is even longer.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, but then the turtle is deeply connected to Mother Earth.
I mean in literally literally literally, And I tell you
because on the back of a turtle, time is embedded
in it. Yes, I mean within the outside of a
turtle's back, the shell, they have twenty eight different sections
on the outside, which represents the twenty eight days, and

(48:46):
on the inside of the turtle shell there's thirteen representing
the thirteen moons, and it's a calendar year with upon
Mother Earth. Isn't it odd that an animal embodies time,
it embodies truth about who we are for as long
as it's been here, it lives forever too. Yeah. Absolutely,
they lived like one and fifty years something. I think
they live up to five or seven hundred years.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Some summer. There's someone that there was one that died recently,
was the oldest one that we know of, at least
in captivity, and it was like one hundred and twenty
five years old, on hundred and thirty years old, something
like that. And it's like it saw like it was
alive during Einstein it was, it was alive before World
War One, it was alive around the Civil War time.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I think they have one second down south somewhere. I'm
not sure. I have to, like I would do your research.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Cha.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
GBT is great for this stuff, but I think there
was a turtle that was about five or seven hundred
years old. Jesus so to live as long as it does,
you know, the way approaches life and then slow. Yeah,
he's moving really slow and going with the flow pretty much.
You know, it carries it's it's it's world on its back.
And we even called North America Turtle Island because if

(49:52):
you look at North America, it's in the shape of
a turtle. Uh. And I've put it in my book
actually kind of like outlined a turtle and North America.
So it's pretty awesome. And we wouldn't know that as
Indigenous people if we weren't star people.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Right, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

Speaker 2 (50:18):
If we weren't able to see either psychically through our
visions or be taken up above by star people, we
wouldn't be able to know that North America itself was
in the shape of fraternal So I think that, you know,
Indigenous people are connected to our star brothers and sisters.
But also, I mean, we're deeply connected to Mother Earth

(50:41):
and all its nations, and we're caretakers. We're all caretakers,
not just Indigenous people. All people are caretakers of Mother Earth.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
So you mentioned sasquatch. Yeah, yeah, okay, So listen, all right,
this is a topic that's never been discussed on the show.
It is I have a feeling that there is a
you know, and similarly to like I had a NASA

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rocket scientist talk about, uh, you know, other beings from
another world, Like, well, if you're going to talk to
someone about that's a NASA rocket scientist who was working
at NASA right now would be the person to talk
to about that. Same with this, if I'm going to
talk about sasquat, I want to talk about it with
an indigenous person from that point of view, So what's

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the I know from my understanding, from I'm gonna say
Hollywood essentially, especially that one episode from six Million Dollars
Man back in the seventies when he fought the sadsquatch guy.
It's a it's a it's a man beast kind of
thing that lives in the forest. And then there's Harry
and the Henderson's uh right back in the eighties, that

(51:53):
kind of movie. That's all I really know about it.
And then of course that one famous the one famous
shot yes that they film did and no one knows
it's real or not.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'm sure it's not that one either. So from your
point of view, who is Sasquatch or better as we
know them, Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Bigfoot, sabe or it's been known by different names, you know,
the Yetty.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
But the Yetti is in the in the north, but.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Very closely related. Yes, I mean, if you think about this,
I mean the human age, we only think of ourselves
as just and as of recently, even with the Nasca
mummies and things like that, they're finding the remains of
like humanoid type beings that transcend just our understanding of
what the human nation is.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Well, yes, skulls, different kind of stuffs and things like that.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And how long have we been on Mother Earth? You know,
I think we've probably been seated here by our star
brothers and sisters, and maybe there might be some cross
cultural kind of genetic stuff going on and stuff like that.
But aki in that yeah, right, yeah, I mean there's
a lot of like star people that you know, probably
had a hand in who we become in some sense. Right.
But you know, Sasquitz is some Western coast indigenced Pele

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call him or her. They have like carvings and paintings
in the forest that elders have told me about that
predate any type of European connection to people. So there
is an understanding or belief that there is this humanoid
kind of creature called Sasquatch or backfoot that has walked
upon Mother Earth. I feel personally, and I've had an

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experience with Sasquatch just so you know. And the reason
why I had the experience is because I wanted to
explore and understand what Sasquatch or Bigfoot was. And we
are any dimensional beings, we.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
All are, and you I had a feeling you were
going to go here.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
We're all the interdimensional beings.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
We have people seeing ghosts, sure we have. Do they
appear physical sometimes to people? Yes, so does Sasquatch. Sasquatch
has walked upon Earth as a great nation at some point,
and I do feel like they have the ability to
transcend the physical and spiritual and take form for moments
of time where people can see them. Do they live

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here for some times they can transcend back into spirit.
I'm sure they do.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I'm sure they go to another dimension another.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Definitely dimensional, because we're you know, definitely there's a multi
dimensional space and time for which we all exist with
a pin right now just as we are and human nation.
If you can see people walking in and just like gnomes,
so like we have teachings like I think they're called
big bush. I might have pronounced the wrong amigma, but
the little people. You know, we have giants, giant people,
hairy people like sasquits. And when I was filling season

(54:28):
four of Spirit.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Talker, apparently I got a get season. These other seasons
are a waste of time. I need a good season. Well,
they'll show up and they're all amazing joking.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
They'll all come on next level sol TV eventually, absolutely, sir.
And but I got to go and spend time with
uh Indigenous community calls to Alis and their symbol for
their community is Bigfoot. That's the picture that they have
for their community. And they actually have a placer called

(54:59):
the Bigfoot Trail that they they honor and protect and
do ceremonies. And it leads to one of these spots
where they have these paintings in the forest that predate
and it depict Sasquatch or they call them Sasquets. Now,
when I was there in the community, it was pretty
amazing because I learned some of this history because I
didn't know it, and I got to They did a

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ceremony for me with their young people, and they were
singing their songs and through ceremony, and all the young
people dressed up and had made what they believed their
depiction of what Bigfoot looks like, and they were walking
around like Bigfoot, embodying the spirit of Bigfoot through their
ceremonial songs and dance that they had done for me.

(55:43):
It was amazing. I loved it. And a lot of
like more current type of faces that you would see
of like Bigfoot of Sasquatch where they're kind of unique looking.
I guess all these masks look.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Like that, like Harry and Henderson's No, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Stranger than that, really a little bit stranger in that. Yeah,
and it's still humanoid, right, but there people experience Bigfoot often,
and I feel like they may come in from other
dimensions from time to time. Did you just whisper there?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I just want you to know I didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
You might record a spirit, Okay, there was a breadthre
that went here.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I didn't hear that.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Okay, Well, just you know, I might pick it up.
You listen, because I know there's a spirit here with me,
and it could be the spirit of sasquits. Who knows,
because when I, when I, when anybody that is this
is this is a gift that I have that I
that I don't know why I have. And it just
happened recently. I was telling you about previously. Coming on,
I was in Friton. I was doing a live event

(56:40):
and during the events, spirit had spoke loud enough, loud
enough that the audience could hear the spirits, not just
one or too like half the audience. Half the audience
heard the spirit speak, and it was it was pretty
like a big eye opener for people that are there.
You think for you as well. Right, so I have
a feeling you're going to hear a spirit there, all right?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
All right?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
But anyway, when I was out there, I saw the
ceremony walked up the Saskuts trail and I thought, I'd
really love to connect to this, this beautiful, amazing creature, right,
so I invited Saskuts to connect to me. And and
you know they represent honesty in the Seven Grandfather's Teachings
because they is that you okay, now you can mess?

(57:29):
Did you get that?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
That's amazing?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I just said, no, I didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Was that you you would have caught me good, I'm
gonna turtle a red dob off and so but anyway,
I went out on the trail.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I went out on the trail and uh, and I
invited the sascts. I made an offering, and I walked
for some time because I was up there filming, and
and there's this massive cedar trees out in the west
coast of Canada, right and I think down in California.
Oh ye, yeah, the redwood cedars. And I saw very
quickly from one tree into another would look like a

(58:04):
humanoid haired creature that ran across the path from one
tree into another tree. And I had to sit there
and think, did I just see what? I just thought?
It was all like that was amazing, Like I didn't
see like in the physical form, but I saw what
I thought or believe is the spirit form of sasquitch.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And it.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
It's immense my understanding of it being a cross or
inner dimensional being, so that they can come in and
be seen, but also they can choose to not be
seen if they if they want to be.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
And very much like a ghost, yeah, very much like
a ghost, very much like a ghost that they can't
be shown. It cannot be shown. When you said gnome,
that's very interesting because I know in Ireland. Yeah, I
think it was. I think it's Ireland. I'm not sure.
I'm almost positive it's Ireland or Scotland, one of the two. Yes,
that you can get a degree no way in finding gnomes.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Now, when you hear things like this, you just go, guys,
what do you talk?

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
What you talk about? But when you start looking at
all of this stuff through this lens, all of a sudden,
you're like, well, wait a minute. If we believe in
intertermensional abilities, the Mendela effect, even you know, on a
quantum level, like you know what the Mendel effect obviously is, right,
Like you know, there's shift, different timelines and all that
kind of stuff. So if we all have this kind

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of belief that there is something like that, there's multiple timelines,
multiple dimensions, even if it's like just the other side,
isn't none other dimension? You know, like when you're talking
to your grandmother or your grandfather, they're in another space
and time exactly, So what is there not to say that?
There isn't all these kind of mythical creatures, dragons, very

(59:48):
yetty gnomes all those kind of things that at one
point didn't live here or did live here, you know,
all that kind of stuff. It came from somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Of course. I mean, how long has Mother's been here
and how many creatures have evolved and changed your gun
into spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
and now back to the show. I mean just in
our lifetime. I mean, look at all the dinosaurs. Yeah, absolutely,
you know the I think no, I think it was
up to ten thousand years ago they had the mammoth,
the bullly mammoth, and the saber tooth tiger was still
roaming North America.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Right, And do people still see Lockness or NeSSI or
Ogapogo up in Canada, Like there's so many different names
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Little one down in Mexico and the New Mexico, the
guy with the little flute.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, but those kind of yeah, absolutely, So they pop
up from time to time. And people have these experiences
of seeing things right, right, So they're inner dimensional beings, right,
they have a spirit? Can they take for him? Yes,
we've taken for him into this physical for this lifetime.
We will return the spirit we've come from spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
So they can kind of shift their frequency, the vibrant
to come in and come out, and that's why you
only see glimpses of it. That's right, absolutely, that's why
bigfoot hunters are not going to find him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Well, they might find him for a minute. They're not
going to caption.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
But the point is that they but they wouldn't really,
they wouldn't reveal themselves on a reality show generally speaking,
like we're going to go find like that's not where
they go. But in a spiritual experience like you had,
they might just for a moment, just give you. You're
not gonna have coffee with them, but no, just a
glimpse of Like did I I just see that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
That's fast because I wasn't sure. I mean, i mean,
despite what everybody's talked about, I'm not sure if these
like fairies gnomes have existed. But I've had experiences where
I've seen things like that, but just for moments, and
it's because there are space and time have kind of
crossed for a moment, the frequency of vibration, of alignment
of coming together for a moment, I've seen them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
So is in your culture? Is sasquatch an animal part
of the animal nation or part of part of the
animal nation. It is part of the animals, So it's
a humanoid humanoid animally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, I mean apes are also a humanoid. Yeah, yeah,
kind of humanoid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
And we're only a few with DNA strands away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Right, And then they're still evolving, right, even apes and
monkeys today are still like evolving. They're not fully become
who they need to be interesting, right, I feel like
that there's a an embodiment and I think possibly, I mean,
if you think about it, because we see, we're all relations, right,
these are our ancestors. They've come before us, They've evolved
and lived upon mother Earth and have become something new

(01:02:33):
and greater. We're still becoming something new and greater. We
will know at some point. I feel like the human nations,
just like ours, our brothers and sisters, we won't even
need to talk. We'll just think about what we need
to say to everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
But that's the way it is on the other side. Yeah,
I mean spirit doesn't talk with voice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
No, generally, generally, Jay Ken, I mean I do report
them to speaking with but they do have a voice,
but they.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
But when you're near death experiences that I've spoken to, yes,
all of them no one had a conversation. No, exactly
when Jesus shows up. Yeah, you know, it's it's always telepathy,
and it's instant. You ask a question, you know the answer. Absolutely,
it's it's almost instant. It is. I'd love talking to you, Shank.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
But but Sasquatch, I mean, you see, this is the card.
I'll just hold it up here just for a second.
This is there. There, it is, oh there, I don't
even know where I am. This is the card from
my myrocle card deck that I had, And this is
all the art done for my racle card deck is
done by a Migma lady named Tracey Metallic Beautiful. So
it's all hand painted. Everything in this card deck is

(01:03:33):
hand painted and I used a who is it Aaron
Googu to kind of help me do the digitally taking
the paintings to put on to the to the car cards. Right.
But you know, so these are all teachings connecting Indigenous people,
not because we feel like we just made them up,
but it's something that we've had a connection to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah. The legend, if you will, or the myth of
a sasquatch has been around for generations upon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Pre contact to European as far as I know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, so it's been something within the indigenous community in
North America. Is it a specific North American thing or
is the asquatch other places?

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
I don't. I can't answer that, okay, because I when
I would say predominant is probably in North America.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
But YETI well, YETI is in the yeah Alps.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
But they're very closely related, right they look similar, just
maybe just different color fur.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Right, So, but but the Yetti is isn't that the
Alp isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
That bad and things like that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
That is in the North Norway and that kind of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
So I feel like there must be some type of
like I mean, if you look at our planet where
the human nation isn't people from Africa black because the
red indigenous people are red. You know, the Caucasian people
are typically referred to as being white and brown people,
Chinese people being yellow people. You know, it's like or
brown people, Like, there's all kinds of colors of people.

(01:04:51):
So why would so why could they not be related
still and still have different colors of fur or embody
the same type of form, but just in different parts
of the world in different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And could have they and they could could have they
been at a certain level on this earth hundreds of
thousands of you or millions of years ago. Absolutely, And
this is just a couple of remnanences of coming in
and out when they want to. God, it takes the
head hurt. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I this is a this is kind of a strange one.
But my stepdaughter, Ashley, my wife's daughter, my wife, Michelle's daughter, Ashley,
she has a very deep connection.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
In gnomes mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
And she's dreamed of them. They come to her. She's
got a gnome tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
And then this is this is kind of cool because
and we have teachings and migmo culture, we call them
big bush.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Do they have the same kind of because gnomes, to
my understanding, are very European.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, but we call them just little people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, but they don't have the pointy hats. No, that's
just that's the other that's right, well people, and that's it.
Is it Dutch? Isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Is it Dutch or it's I feel it's like in
the Netherlands area is where you see but I feel
like there's teach like whether you go to bad about
yetti of like a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Harry, there's different, there's different kind of depictions of our
understanding of that right too right. And to the Migmah
people are indigenous people, we call them a big bush,
which is like the little people. I might be pronounced
on that wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
To know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I'm going to get some messages from Migmah people saying
that's not how you say that. But I do my best.
And but actually was downstairs watching TV with her boyfriend,
and I have a camera that's kind of pointed out
the window outside, and one night I got a notification
that there was some movement outside. Stop it, I did,
and I caught a little guy waddling stop about this high?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Do you have that footage?

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
This is This is the weird part because I often
delete all of my recordings, and I deleted them all.
My wife saw it so she can voch for me.
I know it's gonna sound silly by saying this. I
saw a little person and I showed it to her
and she goes, oh my god, that's a freaking gnome.
I'm like it is, and I said, is it odd
that actually is downstairs when we caught this? But maybe
I was never meant to show it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
To anyone well, no they're not. That's not what they eat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, but I feel like that we call them tricksters, right,
the gnomes of the little people the big bush, that
we feel that they can influence us in different ways
with their medicine. So maybe they're not meant to be seen,
but just meant to be known that they're there. And
I and I know what I saw. It was in
a figma imagination. I literally had it on film on
my security camera and it looked like a little man

(01:07:26):
with a little hat and nome waddling across my deck.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
So what what energy does the Sasquatch have in this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
In this honest honesty honesty because they have to accept
themselves as they are. They teach us to just beside
despite being different, because they are different than the typical
human nation or other creatures within the forest. But they
embody honesty because they have to be honest with who

(01:07:54):
they are, and they bring that teaching of honesty because
if you're facing a situation in life where and many
people are afraid to be who they are, yeah, right,
because they're they're fearful of judgment or they're fearful of
of what somebody might think about them, you know, then
it's it's then you can call upon the medicine, the

(01:08:16):
essence a Bigfoot to kind of help you to be
honest with who you are in life and to accept
yourself in life, to love yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
So with all the animal nation totems that you've connected with,
many of these seem to be North American, yes, right,
but but in other cultures like the kangaroo I'm assuming,
I'm assuming, the aborigine, you have, the Tasmanium devil, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
It's like you you're connecting to the tiger.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
There's no tigers here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
There's no tigers, I mean, unless you're the tiger guy
on TV there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I'm from Florida, so please please don't bring that up. Tiger. No, no,
they're not native tigers are I understand tigers were not
native to North America, so they were brought over here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
But that doesn't mean that you only connect to North
American creatures. But you know, for me, it is it
it is that way, yeah, of course. But for someone else,
you may be very deeply connected to the elephant or
the kangaroo, or the snake, you know, or and there's
snakes in North America. But there's there's armadillo who knows. Yeah,
and they all have different medicines and I won't know
them all. Just you know, I didn't write the book thinking, Okay,

(01:09:22):
well I'm going to list all the medicines of all
the animals of the world. No. No, yeah, it would
be like this thing, maybe even thicker. I would say,
you know, if you feel connected to an animal from
another nation within the world, because mother Earth is a great,
big place, you know, then redo your research and find
out what that animal essence and bodies and how you

(01:09:44):
can call upon it if you need to it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
So what does the tiger have? Just out of curiosity,
I don't know. Oh, you don't know the tiger. No,
I don't know the tiger, Okay, but I'm assuming it's strength.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I would say strength. You know, there's very protective of
their family, right because I feel like that the mother,
just like the mother bearers, robably very protective. And you know,
they they're very family orientated if you think about it,
because they hang out in pride of like like lions,
et cetera, so that they are very deeply connected and
work together interesting they support each other.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
We'll be right back after a word. From our sponsor
and now back to the show. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So I feel like that there's medicine there. If you
really do your deep dive and your research in regards
to the medicine that a tiger could carry, you'll find
that there's a lot of that that you embody.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Now, is there any is there any totem of animals
that have long passed? Well, I mean obviously sas watch.
Isn't that something you hold on to? So like, do
you have the t rex? Maybe somebody can you connect
to the brontosaurus Like I've just asked the sabor to tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Like, maybe I've never heard of it, but it doesn't
mean that it's not possible.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Well I get yeah, I mean they probably wouldn't have
been in the last ten thousand years or so where
a lot of this would have been started.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Right in the well, I think it's it always existed. Yeah,
of course, first for primitive people. And I don't like
to call him primitive because it's you know, it's exactly,
it's just technologically primitive, you know, because we've all been
quite advanced spiritually and connected to Mother Earth very deeply.
You know that transcends like probably one hundred thousands or
hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I mean you look at like in the popular culture,
there was a movie called Black Panther.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
If you think about Neanderthals, yeah, yeah, like primitive people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Right right, So like in Black Panther, there was a lot,
like in the African cultures, all about animal totems, like
a lot of like the jaguar and this and that.
And when he went into the other side when he
died to become Black Panther. Do you ever see that movie?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I did see Black Panthers. I don't really remember it
that well, but I remember so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That he went when he was dying to become the
Black Panther, he had to go to the other side
where he met his ancestors and they were all panthers.
He came and then one of them came down and
that was his dad, but all of his all of
the other kings were all panthers sitting in the tree,
right and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I think, you know, and I'm not one hundred percent
sure of this. This would be only kind of a
philosophy or thought process here that potentially we have benner animals.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Oh you've bean, we've evolved too, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
We've chosen to live lives. We're spirit first and foremost,
we're just an orbit light and I think predominantly we
mostly take on the form from which we exist within now,
but throughout time, through the desire to gain knowledge and wisdom,
we may embody an animal as a spirit in the past,

(01:12:38):
and we may have deep spiritual connections that we why
we're so kind of cross connected like angels, that there
may have been experiences that we've had where we were
the tiger or where we were the eagle. And many
Indigenous people go into trance and they are the egle.
They will see the world from the eagle's point of view,

(01:12:58):
and you could call that in a set. And there's
this word shape shifter. Oh yeah, right, and that's a
kind of indigenous slaughter teaching. It's where our spirit and
the spirit of the animal from which you can embody it.
And there's people that talk about maybe becoming these animals, right,
But I don't necessarily feel that it's like a physical thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Is that like skinwalkers or is that different?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Maybe I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Know, Okay, yeah, I don't know a whole lot about
skinwalker chap shifting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
It's just that there's there's people that you know that
have experienced people becoming an animal or an animal becoming
a person, et cetera. And it could be a spiritual
thing as well, not necessarily a physical person doing this.
It could be a spirit that is able to kind
of transcend those different forms.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
I'm going to have to test you now, Sean on
eighties television.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Shows, Okay, I might be good at this one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I think I have you and I are similar similar vintage.
As they say, there was a move. There was a
show had only one season, but back then there wasn't
a lot of content, so it was a show. I'll
never forget it, and it's a pretty bad showal I
didn't see you that. So Manimal was a dude who
can literally would transform into three animals, really a panther,

(01:14:09):
either an eagle or a bird of some sort, and
it was some other I forgot the third animal, but
the transformations were the same guy who did like the
werewolf in London America that whole and the whiskers are
coming out and it was so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
He looked so horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Anyone who wants to have a good time just go
to YouTube and type in Manimal opening and you'll just
see this just because because back then all of them
had like this like minute min and a half long
opening of the show, like the A Team and all
those guys, and they had an opening, and it's just
him transforming into an eagle, a panther and something else.
And that's how he would fight crime.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I mean, I mean, I don't I've never experienced anything
like where I've seen somebody kind of transform.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I mean, that's all I would say.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
And indigenous culture, it's more of a ceremonial f where
you can go into trance and maybe connect to the
spirit of the ego and become one with the ego
for a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Let me, let me. I want to talk to you
about this, the trance. So from my understand, when you're saying,
like you go, you know, you have a ceremony and
either it's with is it either with a plant medicine
or sometimes without plant medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Well, we don't normally use plant medicine in your in
you in my culture.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
In your culture, Okay, yeah, so you're not taking pod No,
I will be though.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I think in the winter, me and my wife and
her oldest daughter might be going We're going to rub
for a little bit because we love it there. But
we're going to go to Peru and they my wife's
already done like some ceremonies with some elders down there,
and I'm interested in maybe like giving it a go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Please report back. I want to know what happens. Please
hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
But she said some pretty awesome experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
And so when you're doing these ceremonies, it's more like like, okay,
so in your in your culture, do they do a
sweat law a sweat?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
We do sweats?

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
Yeah, okay, so sweats. So when you're in a and
with it called sweat.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
It's just a sweat lodge. But the ceremony that takes
place as a ceremony sweat ceremony.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Right, So you go into this tepe if you will,
that's or it's a hot right yeah, and you're it's hot.
It's it's a sauna. It's like a sauna. And then
I guess during that process you and you're in there
for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
It's not like you're in there, well, there's different rounds
in each round represent different things.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
So you you'll die if you stay No, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Right, and you can stay in there, but we open
the door between rounds right to get some air, Yeah,
because it gets hotter each round. The fourth round is
the hottest. And you know, I've seen things in sweat
ceremonies that are so I've seen spirits or people. I'm
usually I'm told by elders not to say too much
except just focus and what I'm there to do, which
is like you know, the different rounds. Is a pipe
ceremony in the sweat ceremony as well as there's usually

(01:16:46):
a pipe carrier one that that would say the prayers
are leaded the ceremony itself, and then we all would
pass the pipe. We all pass water. Sometimes we will
pass berries and share food, but will pray for for
other people, will pray for everybody in the sweat lodge
will be around for that. There'll be a prayer for,
you know, the women of the world that are in
your life, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Is it is it a way in that specifically in
this ceremony. Is it a way to kind of just
break down the physical It's a both prayer. Yeah, but
the heat, the heat hospital East is breaking you down
to the point where you're just opening yourself up to
what's happening because the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Heat is just it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
It's a lot, so your body is like freaking out
and your mind could Finally.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
It's like rebirth one because you're almost like entering the womb,
re entering the womb, and then you're saying prayers connected
to Mother Earth and you know, the Great Spirit, et cetera.
And then you you you call upon them to kind
of hear your prayers when you pray. During this, it's
really both prayers and ceremony when you're there. But the
heat is it's it's a little bit of like when

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you're in a sweat, you're you know the energy that
that moisture because you pour water on the red hot rocks,
so you know that it amplifies your prayers the ceremony.
But it's also a little bit about suffering. Yeah, right,
because when when you suffer, because life is it can
be struggle, and we do suffer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
And if you're praying for somebody that you know is
going through cancer, right, we can go there and pray
for that person, but we're suffering. And we believe that
when we suffer and we pray for them, we're taking
some of their suffering away from them. So we're trying
to help them even though they may be still making
their journey home to the spirit world. We're trying to

(01:18:28):
make it easier for them through our ceremony, through a
prayers of words, and maybe taking on some of the
pain that they may not have to carry through that process.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
That's okay, all right. So then so other ceremonies when
you're connecting to the animal energy or the animal totem right,
is this kind of a form of meditation channeling?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, exactly, there's different ceremonies. There's one ceremony where you
could go without food or water for four days and
sit in a spot in the forest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Well, that'll do it. Yeah, you'll start seeing something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
You will and you think I'm hearing people here, wait
till you're out there, and you'll be here for you'll
hear a lot of them come tell you all kinds
of stuff. And you'll be challenged too, you know, with
different spirits, because they they will try to get you
to come out of the circle. I've heard people have
spirit people come to them and even like earth bounce
or like earth bound spirits that will then try to

(01:19:21):
kind of like stop you from your ceremony.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
And so in in the show Yellowstone. Yeah, you've seen
you know about that shop.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I have seen Yellowstone.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I actually kind of liked the show though for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
It's a great show. It was, It was a great show.
There was this because they are cowboys in Montana, but
they're really connected to the land. Yes, and they're connected
to the indigenous. And one part of it, she's he
was married. The character I'm talking about was married to
an Indigenous woman, so he needed to go out to
do us that. He went out to the into nature. Yes,

(01:19:53):
And they and the the Indians were putting a circle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Around, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
You stay in your circle, and you stay in your circle.
And in that time that when the spirits would come
in trying to get them out, and they and they
literally said this to that, like in the show, they're like,
they're going to try to tempt you. No. And there
was a wolf that kept that kind of brought him in.
But that was his total his totem. His totem was
the wolf, you know, the protector this or that and God,

(01:20:20):
it's fascinating that they pulled from they pulled from this
story to incorporate it enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah, I mean, that's it's very accurate. It's an indigenous ceremony.
It is very accurate. So people have had.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Two three days, you have to three days where days
no food, no.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Water, no food or of water. And and it has
to be something that is overseen by an elder because
they have to keep an eye on you and keep
checking on you. And then after the you start the
whole ceremony with a sweat.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
So you're already a little bit dehydrated, and you can
drink some water in the sweat, but only like a
spoonful here and there through the rounds, because you pass
water around as well. And then after that you go
into the circle. You know an elder will come and
oversee you, and then you'll have visions. You'll start to
you may embody the spirit of the eagle, you may
embody the spirit of the wolf or the bear, and

(01:21:13):
maybe there's like a message that you will receive because
of that, how you need to approach a certain situation
or an aspect of life that you need to get stronger.
And and and then you end it with a sweat,
and then you start saying stuff, Yeah, it's it's it's
it's it's you know, you're into an altered state of reality.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
That's what I was That's the word I was looking for.
You become you go into an altered state. So not
taking payete, you're sweating it out of you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
You're you're an inner dimensional space and time, so you're
you have a foot in both, yes, worlds, you're in
both worlds at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
That's amazing. So that's kind of what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
And there's that levels of energy, right, the higher level
of energy. There's a low earth bound energy right where
some spirits reside and some animals and creatures reside as well.
And you know in your spirits kind of like crossing
between all of those levels of energy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Is the consciousness of humanity. Right now, do we like
when you connect to a certain animal, do we kind
of evolve to another animal? So like I started off
as the wolf and then now I really like, how
does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Well, you know, when I was young, I was drawn
to polar bears, but you know, never thought anything of it, right,
never thought anything of it until it came to me
in the dream. And then you know, now, let it
receives six different parts of the bears, et cetera. But
I don't believe that they leave you. I feel like
we gain more medicines.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
So you just keep You have a tribe of the
animals the stages of life, so explain these four us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
So like the infancy of stage of life, there may
be one or two animals. It could be a spirit
and power tone them not as with you in the
infancy stage of your life. As you move into the
U stage of your life, there could be two new
animals that present themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
But the other guys haven't left.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
No, They're still part of your tribe. There's still part
of your soul group. Right, just like the bear has
been showing up all my life, but I didn't really
know how strong it was connected to me to later
and the eagle. You know, I've just recently I just
met an elder when I was up in Fredericton doing
my event, which is a province in Canada, and she
gifted me an eaglehead, and she's gifted me an eagle talent.

(01:23:12):
And I have to take it to attacks Dermis to
kind of finalize it so that I can put it
on a staff or something like that. But she says,
and this is where she goes in the trance sometimes
and different elders do. They receive a gift of an
animal from like a wildlife park or somebody that is
like an eagle's like died on the power lines and
they found the remains. And then indigenous people can go
to the natural resources and say, you know, do you

(01:23:35):
have any that I can use? And they'll say, yes,
we've just discovered this eagle. They'll take it, they'll do ceremony,
and then they'll go into their ceremony and they'll be
told by spirit which parts are supposed to go to
which people. So the spirit had come to her and said,
I need to give Sean this eagle head, and I
have to give him the talent or the claw as well.

(01:23:57):
So she recently gifted me those home, and I have
to kind of like care for those and finish the process.
And and and on top of this, somebody just called
me and said, because I live in Nova Scotia in
the ocean, she said, Sean, I just found this eagle
that washed ashore. I can't keep it because it's illegal
for me to have, but I've saved it and I

(01:24:18):
think that you may want this and you to have
it I can have it as indigenous people in Canada,
we can have the remains of animals that are especially
in danger or protected. But we're using it. We're not
killing the animals for right, especially protected animals. That doesn't
mean that. And if you're at the bar nation, you
probably don't go bear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Hunting, right, You're not killing you know, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Care the buffalo. You don't eat the buffalo. But could
I go moose hunting?

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I could, And but I would still respect that animal
and honor the medicine that that animal I would. I would,
I would, I would every bite of that animal that
I would eat, I would honor it and thank it
for the sessence in a life that it's given me.
And that happened just about a year and a half ago.
I'm not hunted my whole life. I hunted when I

(01:25:03):
was young, That's not true. I used to rabbit hunt
and stuff. And but I had a dream where I
was in this in the forest and I saw a
bunch of moose walking through the forest and one stopped
and looked at me, and I woke up. I told Michelle,
I said, Michelle, it's so weird because I know I don't.
I'm not. I don't have moose medicine that I carry,

(01:25:24):
but I had this dream of these moose. Later that afternoon,
I need to call from an elder and your Bronswil says, Sean,
we're going moose hunting. You should come with us. I'm like,
and my wife's going like, that's not an accident. So
we go up to New Brunswick and I don't have
a license, but as an Indigenous person, if you go
with an elder, I don't even know own a gun.

(01:25:45):
So were I'm staying at their camp. This is her
name's Juliette Barnaby from Listiguish in near Quebec and Brunswick border.
And so we go to our camp. We get up
the next day, we go for a little drive just
to see if they're a moose, and I have a
psychic vision. This is where I'm like, did we drive

(01:26:05):
by here? I'm seeing moose tracks some head and he
just jams on his brakes and goes, oh, look there's
thirteen moose up on the hill. And it was just
like the dream that I had. And he says, if
you're going to take a moose, now is the time.
So I got out. He prepared the gun for me,
told me where to shoot a name, and had to
dial in the scope and the moose and he said, well,

(01:26:28):
there's a buck off in the trees, but there was
only one standing in the clear. And it was like
she presented herself to me, just like in the dream.
And I took the shot and it ended her life.
And then I said, should we go up? He says, no,
you give her time to make her transition. So we
went have breakfast. We came back. I brought my tobacco,

(01:26:50):
I laid tobacco in the animal. I put my hands
on her heart and I thanked her and I prayed
for her. And we're not that conscious of the we
when we go to the cag you know, and have
a stake, and we don't think about the life of
the animal that we maybe have taken just right. There's
a disconnection for understanding and respecting the animal nation. And

(01:27:11):
so he showed me everything I needed to do to
harvest that animal to bring home. And I have like
a whole freezer full of moose, and every meal I have,
I am grateful. I'm thankful, and I think about the moose.
And she lived her full life. You know, she was
quite old older, so it was just everything aligned for

(01:27:31):
that to happen. And I knew it was an act.
Especially I'm writing the book, and I think Spirit wanted
me to share the understanding that, you know, animals aren't
just our friends, you know. We we I mean the
plant nation as well, have life and spirits, you know,
but so all animals. And but we have to be
respectful in honor of them and only take what we need,
not to abuse it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
Yeah, the world's having a little bit of problem with
that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
We are, and I think that's why the animal medicines
are coming back to the human nation now. Connecting the
people is to help us just be more conscious, more
connected and know that that that finite balance between all nations.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
How can you tell have you had experience with this
where animals come to you as messengers? Yes, not only
in dreams and in spirit, but in real life. Like
I've heard so many stories of birds that just keep
landing on your in a place after someone that's passed,

(01:28:31):
and like she loved blue jays, and all of a sudden,
blue jay is always outside the window.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Yeah, well my dad used to like after my dad passed,
I started getting blue jays would just show up and
just squawk at me, just like squawking at me. And
before that didn't happen, No, nothing like this, And it
was just it was actually kind of abnormal, like how
many blue jays were coming around, and then blue jay
feathers start showing up. I start getting blue jay feathers,
and uh. And I remember after my dad died a

(01:28:58):
long time after, like I hadn't gone a blue jay
feather in a long time, and me and my mom
are going for breakfast and she goes, do you think
you still feel them around? I said, oh, absolutely, I
feel dad around. You know. Get out of the we
went for breakfast, we come back and right where my
my my car door was, there was a blue jay
feather sitting there. I'm like, what's the odds of that? Mom?
You know, you know that that we just spoke about

(01:29:20):
them and you're asking me if I feel them around,
and then that there's a blue jay feather there. It's
not an accident. I mean, spirit people can use animals
as messengers to remind you that they're still with us.
So there's this cooperation or connection to the animal nation
even with.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Spirit and do when when they do communicate with you,
is it that's one version of communication, which is spirit
using animals or partnering with animals to give us information.
But how about if it's your totem. Yeah, now, hopefully
a polar b is not going to show up, and
for me, hopefully a tiger is not going to show up.

(01:29:57):
But let's say you have a more not kinder, but
more domesticated animal. Yeah, like if you're connected. But that's
a perfect example if you're connected to the feline world.
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show. You know, uh, I

(01:30:19):
assume tigers are part of the feline actually there right? Yeah, yeah,
like the dogs are part of the of the wolf fish. Yeah,
of course, so is a representation of my I'm gonna
use me as an adol the tiger my cats will
have they will give me some sort of message or
is there a way to communicate because I told this

(01:30:40):
story the other day on one of the episodes, and
I think it's very important to tell the story again,
So please forgive me if you've heard this. Guys, my
dog it was a very sick. He was very he
was paralyzed for the last five years of his life.
And I took care of him when I was a kid.
Just in the back, yeah yeah, just in the back.
Yeah yeah. Yeah, he's so he you know, I probably

(01:31:06):
kept him alive longer than he should have because he
crawled around and yeah it was diaper and all this time. Yeah, so,
but I did that for and he taught me valuable
lessons about everything. He was with me and I was
a bachelor and all this kind of stuff. And and
then I met my wife. And then about a month
after we were dating, was the first time she came over.

(01:31:29):
She came over, she met him. The next day, he left.
He died the next day. He's kind of like, thank God,
I can rest now, Jesus frick two years later, right,
I can't take this guy anymore. He's yours kind of energy.
And I have a picture of him. I keep him

(01:31:50):
the house all the time, and my daughter's asked him
about and we have a little a little uh Christmas
tree ornament that my mom gave me. That's a little
a little he was a corky. It's a little corky
with a little halo, and he always goes at the
top of the tree. Every Christmas, and you know, my
kids know about him and all this kind of stuff.
So it was he was communicating with me in that way.

(01:32:13):
He just there was a connection. There was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I mean, he's part of your soul family, right, there's
no question you have a across cultural connection in relation
to many lifetimes too. So I feel like the fact
that he showed up in your lifetime, and I feel
like animals can show up in your lifetime more than once.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Well I have. I have a couple of cats now and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, you swear they're probably a cat from another time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Right, Oh well, I mean one of them definitely is.
And the other one, man, he just came up and
he's like when we went to the to the the shelter,
we were picked up. When we got him, my daughter,
my daughter one is like, I want a dog. I'm like,
I'm not getting you a dog. It's way too much
work and I'm going to have to deal with it.
So no, yeah, okay, I'll make it. We'll get you
another cat. So like we had one cat in the

(01:32:54):
run for one daughter and we got the other cat
for the other one. He just came up and just boom,
head butts, boom. He but it's the most loving cat ever. Yeah,
and then he attached himself to my wife. Yeah, that's it,
that's that's his person. Right, I'm second, but that he
number one. He doesn't even look at the girls.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Right, Yeah, because we were like a fascinated I have
little dash Outs, oh yeah, little long haired dash Outs
and the Scout and my my my second one is
called Obi one. Yes, well played, sir. And uh Anyway,
when when I met because we we had Scout. He
you know, he's probably four or five years old, and

(01:33:33):
I felt that he needed a little companion because we're
I travel and I think he needs a little friendly
just to kim and keep him company and keep him
young too, because I mean he just wants to sleep
all the time, and him and the cat don't get
along necessarily. So I feel that it was really good
for him to have some another brother.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Sure, so we get Obie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
But when I met Obi, I recognized him. I when
I saw him, I used to have a dog when
I was young, and he was he was he went
vicious unfortunately, and he got hit by car. He was
just a puppy. And when I met this this this
little Obie, right, and I hadn't named him at the
time when I knew him. When I met him, I
knew I had to name Himoby. I'm like, I know

(01:34:10):
this dog, I know him, I met him before. And
we never got to finish our karma. We never got
to work out what we needed to work out. And
I feel like he came back to me to kind.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Of work at karma between Karma's experience between us.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Yes, there's we're learning from everybody's teaching everybody everything, and
our pet family are teaching those things too.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I mean, I mean I literally had to take care
of a you know, a a paralyzed dog right five
years right in my twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
And so when did you have your children?

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
I had my children when I was in my late thirties.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Okay, so your wife now, is she the mother of
your children?

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
I would hope. So I remember, I don't know that
I was in the home when they came out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Not to be offensive, I just don't know your your
your back, yes, of course, yes, yes, But what was
he teaching about being a parent?

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Oh? Absolutely, up being responsible about thinking about outside of myself.
I was twenty in my twenties, I was just.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
And we all are we all have that ego from
which we learned from as we're younger and we grow
and mature. But he was teaching you some things about,
you know, being a caregiver, being a father, being a parent,
and being and how to be a nurture or caregiver
to people, so that when you did become a dad
and meet your wife, hence when you met her, you know,
he didn't need to teach you this. This the next

(01:35:25):
part of your life. You know, the next part of
your experience is now unfolding. You don't need me, your
family's coming now, I'm good. Now I prepared you for this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Oh that's so powerful. I still remember the first day
I didn't want him. My mom got them for me. Yeah,
he's just She's like, I got want to get you
a dollar and I'm like thanks, And she brought him
and I remember I was working at the video store.
I was eighteen, and she's like, I have a surprise
for you. And I go to the backseat of her
car and there he is as a puppy and I
go put my hand and he starts slicking me right away,

(01:35:55):
and it was just instant connect. It was instant connection.
And you know, I told him. I'm not gonna, I'm
not gonna feed him. I'm not gonna And then slowly
but surely, guess what I ended up taking care of him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
What a unique, you know, experience to have with the
dog that is paralyzed from in the backside down from
probably here back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
But it feels like, but so you say you see him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
I see him. Yeah, I can see. I mean, I'm psychic,
so when I when we talk about things, I see things.
So this is what it's like to be me. It's
a it's a gift. That's like when I met Lisa
on stage and she was doing readings and I saw
this angel, right, you know, it's just things come to
me visually. And you know, maybe I think a lot
of things come to a lot of people. We just
don't pay attention to it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
But I think we are becoming more aware are So
It's like I was talking to Robert Edward Grant, who's
a polymath and he's an explorer. He's Tony Stark. He's
Tony Stark, He's starting stock. But Tony Stark meets Indiana Jones.
He's the most interesting human being I know. And he

(01:36:57):
was starting to go to the Great Pyramids, and he
made discoveries at the Great Pyramids that he's starting to
see patterns inside the and he's proven this, I mean,
because he's extremely intelligent man. And he starts seeing patterns
in the King's chamber on the wall that has been
there for thousands of years and no one noticed them.

(01:37:17):
But then he starts pointing them out to the getologists
from the government and they're like, I can see them.
I'm not supposed to see them, but I can see them.
And now he just made a recent discovery. He's like,
he's doing research and he found that there's two other
pyramids on the plateau Wow, that no one has ever
seen before. But yet they're on like five hundred year
old maps and things like that. But now he goes

(01:37:40):
there and then he went to where they are and
there is a pile of it's not the remnants of
a pyramid because you're in the desert, so there's not
rocks like that in the desert. And then he's showing
you the cut lines. They're very eroded with the cut
and I asked him, I go, why is it, Robert,
that you're able to see these things now? And people

(01:38:00):
are starting to see these things now, but they've been
in front of us this entire time. And he said
something very profound, and he's like, well, our consciousness is raising, right,
we are, our vibration, our frequency is elevating to a
point where we can see things that have been right
in front of us the entire time. That's that's kind
of goes along with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
What I mean. Our ancestors. Yeah, you know, our loved
ones or ancestors that are in the spear world are
reconnecting to us stronger in a personal way. But we're
more aware, and they're revealing things to us that maybe
we've forgotten or we don't know, or we don't remember.
So they're infusing us with knowledge and wisdom.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
How do you because you, I mean, your culture seems
to be really connected to their ancestors. So you I
mean it's it's a verbal tradition mostly mostly mostly back
then you know, there wasn't but there's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Also I mean, well, we have ceremonies and indigenous culture
to connect to our ancestors.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Right, So my point is that when you when you
connected to ancestors, there was always based on verbal or
oral tradition. Real, no, So how do you connect? So
how do you know five generations back or sent it
generations back?

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, because a lot of our ceremonies, because this is
what I'm saying, a lot of things were lost because
of colonization, sure, and which is unfortunate, of course, and
some elders kept the wisdom. But many of our ceremonies
have been given back to us from our ancestors in
the spirit world that have reminded us and told and
taught you and taught you. You know, one of these
these ceremonies that I didn't know, but my ancestors, my people,

(01:39:29):
and spirit told me about. We like, we have a
game called waltis waltas walts. It's a fun game. It's
a wooden maple bowl and there's like five to seven
dice in it, and they're made of bones or antlers,
and they have a symbol and it's a fun game
and you play with elders and you take it and
you bounce it and all the pieces go flying the
air and you're hoping they all come up or all
down or all up at one and then there's a

(01:39:51):
bunch of sticks that you get in relation to that.
But it was a double purpose for the bowl. Our
ancestors would taken it and did a ceremony where they
put the water in the bowl and left it in
the moonlight for four nights, and they would have done
a sweat, a smudge, a pipe ceremony, you know, invited

(01:40:11):
the ancestors. And then after the four nights, the person
that could see with the community or had the ability
to see, would sit with the water and gaze into
the water, and not that there's anything in the water,
but it's it's an energization of the ceremony, and they
would be in a meditative state. And then the ancestors
would tell them what medicine somebody should have, what message

(01:40:31):
somebody would need from their loved one, or what we've
something we've forgotten, and tell us about a ceremony that
we need to remember.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
And I saw this, and my ancestors had shown me this,
And when I went to elders and told them, like
we used to have a wanted like that, nobody said,
this is their ceremony. Spirit had told me about the ceremony.
My ancestors told me about this, and then it was
validated through someone else. So it was you know where
ancestors can guide us and teach us things or help

(01:41:13):
us learn things that would that have been forgotten for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Yeah, Because I mean I know of my and my lineage.
I know of only probably up into my great grandparents,
and I vaguely understand who they were. I can't even
think about going back.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
But like when I went to from my ancestors, my ancestors,
according to my grandparents and my great grandparents, they came
from Spain. Yes, And this is the funny thing about it.
They came from both sides of my family. My mother
and father both all well Cubans generally were colonized, right,
and they all all this, they're all Spanish, right, you know,
in South America obviously a lot of Spanish. But when

(01:41:53):
I did my DNA test to see where I came from,
south of Spain, Northern Africa, there you go. Eighty five
percent of meat, Yeah, of my DNA comes from that region.
So when I went there and visited this last summer, wow,
holy crap.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Yeah. See, I have a guide named Victoria, Okay, a guide,
a guide, spirit guide, and I recorder. I actually can
record her talking to me. Sometimes. Okay, I have recordings
if her on a YouTube channel and there's a voice
where you'll hear saying the kids the kedge and things
like that. She's Gaelic but also has Norwegian ancestry. She's
Gaelic Gaelic Gaelic like Old Gaelic. Yeah, so scott Scotland

(01:42:31):
or Norway kind of mixed.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
I don't, I don't I know how that connects to Indigenous.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Well, why I'm saying this is part of my genetics
is fifteen percent Scandinavian.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Oh well they might have come over, yeah, across the right,
I mean, yeah, the Vikings of course. Of course, of
course I made it with.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Some indigenous people when they get think I even have
a thing called Vikings disease. No, yes, where you probably
can't see it, but I have like a ten in
here that is like it's it's it's got a ball
on the tendon and I have them on my feet too,
and it's actually called it's called something else, but it's
also referred to as Viking disease because the Viking people

(01:43:08):
were malnutrition when they came over, and they interbred with
indigenous MiG bob people and they had these things on
their tendons because they of over use and overwork. You mean, yeah,
from growing, hacking, you know, doing everything.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
As Viking Viking stuff mostly not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Fighting, but just like surviving, i'd say. But so they
they had issues with their tendons because of malnutrition and
genetics over centuries of time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
It's like having scurvy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Because now do you think it's odd though? That you know?
Because I'm I have fifteen percent of my DNA as Scandinavian,
and here I have a guide who is Gaelic slash Scandinavian,
my ancestor from.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Genetically many generations.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Generations back, that is helping me and guiding me in
this current lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
It's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
So you know, I think when we think about her ancestors,
it's much larger than we can even comprehend.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
So I'm going to go into deep waters.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
I want to go into deep water because I love
this guy. I love these kind of conversations, all right,
So that that the Gaelic guide of you her named Victoria. Victoria, Okay, Victoria,
So Victoria, her soul is on the other side guiding you, absolutely,
But that soul is and this is how I see it,
that soul is a spark or an echo of who

(01:44:27):
she was in that time when in that incarnation, right,
but she is that over soul of hers. That's just
one aspect of her bingo, and she's in the future
doing other things. She's in the past doing other things.
She's she might even still be here right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
She maybe I've not met her, and actually that's not true.
I have met her and you meant her her physically
once in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
But she's not incarnated.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
No, she wasn't. She came in a spirit and just
vanished like in a second later.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Okay, so, but so she might actually be incarnated here
as you know beth in you know New York, you
know something who knows. So I'm saying this because it's
I'm trying to wrap my head around. So does that
make sense that this is kind of like an aspect
of her. So in other words, you and I have
lived many lives, if we've gotten to this point to

(01:45:13):
have this conversation, this is not our first time here
on yes, of course, so you know we probably were Roman,
We're probably Egyptian, we were probably you know, any vikings
many god knows how many other different kind of generations.
So those versions of us, those aspects of the Roman
alys we'll call it the roman Alycs, and you're the
Egyptian shot. They exist on the other side while you

(01:45:37):
and I are still having this incarnation. Absolutely the over
soul Egyptian. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
They exist within you, now, all of them, all of them.
You just and that's why some people in different parts
of the world have fallen and hit their head and
woke up and speak German.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Oh God, that's a disease, that's right, and they speak.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
They all of a sudden know how to play the
pano never played their whole life, but yet in another
lifetime they had played. So there's elements or aspects of
their over soul that we can reconnects, and we can
actually in an instant, and it's usually because of some
type of trauma that we then, uh then have another
lifetime personality that kind of connects to this this lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Yeah, there's stories and stories in history about people just
waking up one day or something happening. They could hit
their head and they could pay and then I could
play music, or or.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
All of a sudden they're fluent German and it never
spoke German in their whole life, or never never been
to Germany, but yet they can speak. Is how is
that even possible?

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Like, yeah, where is that information?

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
It's already within you. We just believe it's separate of us.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
So how do you tap into it? Sean?

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Well, maybe give your good self, Sean, I'm not going
to give myself a concussion, sir, to speak German. I'm
just joking.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
I will, I would say, is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Meditation and ceremony, you know if you But I think
there's certain aspects of your oversoul that you're not meant
to remember. Like in order for you to be the
person that you're you're You're, I don't need to know
being in this space and time right that you have
to fully embrace this now doesn't mean that you can't
remember through passive regression or other regression, hypnosis sessions and stuff,
or even deep meditation or trance or ceremony. Yeah, aspects

(01:47:12):
of that, that memory of that animal you once were
or the person you once were may come flooding back
into you. It's like I can remember this now.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Yeah, because you don't want to, like if you happen
to be in a former life Genghis Khan.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Yepef hopefully not.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
But let's say you were someone who did a lot
of a Viking Yeah, just raped and pillaged and did
all the Viking.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
I think that's a misconception. I think they did that sometimes,
but I don't think they did it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
I don't mean to offend your ancestorship.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
I am just pretty spiritual people for the most part.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
They that bad pr people.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Well, shit got real.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Don't mean to offend the Viking vikings, but generally speaking
that they did a lot of let's say negative things,
yes or not good. You wouldn't want to remember a
moment that you were a soldier in World War One.
You don't want to remember that trauma in this life
because it would just change you. So you don't want
to connect to that version, or at least that part

(01:48:10):
of that. So that makes sense to me, right, Yeah,
you don't want all of the all your lives at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
If you if you had PTSD from all the people
that you're murdered in another lifetime, it might not serve
you in this lifetime being the spiritual person than you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Are today, right, because we've evolved since then and this
is this life I'm here to do this work right
as opposed to dealing with that work. That's a whole other. Yes,
we got enough to stuff stuff down here to deal
with another lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
So I came uppack this. Well, can you imagine how
to try and pack?

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
And there are people who say that they can remember
all of their lifetimes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
I remember some, you do, yeah, so do I remember?
So last time I was here, I spoke about a
story where I was in France. So if you haven't
seen our first interview, you should watch it because there's
a story on there. But I was in France and
southern France with the k Tars and uh and I
met my ex wife there in the regrets that I had,
and I realized I'd lived like before, and I actually

(01:49:03):
went to France and discovered the exact spot from which
I lived and the people that I was connected to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Is that why sometimes you like get that day javou
and like, have I been here before? Maybe so familiar?

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
Maybe I didn't know I was there until I was regressed,
And then when I was regressed, I went there and
I literally everything just kind of unfolded that I found
the exact spot from which I lived and it was
just amazing, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Have you guys, have you and your wife figured out
how lifetimes before that you were together, because obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Well I've been married three times, so.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
That could have been funny. They could also be part.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Of your soul they are part of your soul group.
I mean, it doesn't mean that you know, we've had many,
you know, we'll call them soulmates through many lifetimes. And
you know, different soulmates come in your different lifetimes at
certain aspects because that's where you are and what you need,
and they're supporting you and you're supporting each other on
your growth.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Right. And it doesn't have to be a romantic soul mate.
It could be your mother, your.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Friend, right, I mean you have many soulmates and and
and some of them could be romantic, right, And so
it's not you know, we've lived many lifetimes like past, present, future, right,
So you could be with one person very rare, I think,
very rare.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Oh the one every single life?

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Yeah, right? Do you have soul made connections? Maybe? I
think I think a sole may connection really represents the
the alignment between you and another person.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
and now back to the show. But those souls even
if like you maybe let's say we're having fun here,
Let's say three lifetimes in row, you guys were romantic
soul made. Yeah, doesn't mean on the fourth lifetime they're
probably going to be in your life in one way,

(01:50:43):
shape or form, but it that might not be. No,
it was romantically different.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Like even with uh brothers, my ex wife, right, we
were together. Obviously, we weren't supposed to be even together
in that lifetime because she was a princess and I
was just a peasant farmer dude, and this life, Yeah,
I was just like a peasant farmer. You know, I
was a I was a very spiritual person in that lifetime.
But I was with somebody wasn't supposed to be with.
And I even though we're a past cross in this lifetime,

(01:51:07):
you know, we were meant to be together for a
time to teach each other what we Yeah, and then
and we have, you know, two beautiful girls because of that,
and they're part of life and that's amazing. But that's
that's you know, that's not our complete journey. Our journey
was meant to end, and maybe we'll reconnect in another one.
Maybe we won't. And but I don't know that. I
don't know that yet. But as far as I know,

(01:51:27):
we've lived many lifetimes together and we keep showing up
from time to time, and and even my current partner,
I feel like I knower Michelle, but I'm not quite
sure yet where we've connected to in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
The past, and you haven't tapped into that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Not yet. It will reveal itself, I you know, I don't.
The way my life kind of works, it just it
reveals us off and unfolds.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
And but you actually you're a really great definition of
someone who trusts the path.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
I trust.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Yeah, yeah, you have faith in the path. You have
faith that things are supposed to work out the way
they are. Yes, I mean I don't know you deeply
like that, but I imagine that you're not worried about like,
oh God, is this gonna happen? That's whatever happened.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
No, I mean we have you rolled with it. Four
runners and animals sometimes are part of four runners, right,
an animal, a bird hitting the window, and then next
you know, you hear about a death in the family, right,
and things like that happen, right, So there's a you know,
there's messages to kind of let you know that you're
going to go through stuff. So when things like that happen,
I feel there's an intention of purpose or reason. There's

(01:52:27):
something charted planned. It's not chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Can I tell you this is kind of like when
you said bird hitting when this this story came into me,
and this is this was a pretty years before Next
Level Soul all this kind of stuff. My wife, who
was my girlfriend at the time, she was in the
bathroom and we had in that house that we had
in Florida. It's a glass a glass door in the

(01:52:53):
shower and all of a sudden, I just hear boom.
The shower door just explodes. And you know, those shower
doors are not they're tempered, they're they're not They're not
easy to break. And I run in and I go
and she's like a little bit bleeding because like what happened.

(01:53:14):
She just touched it. I just touched it because it
would have taken so much force. And it was a
small bathroom, so you like, she didn't throw anything there was,
She just touched the door and it exploded. That moment
across town, her aunt was getting in a car accidentally.
She was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
The synchronicity of things.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
It just happened at the same time. And when we
found that out, because she comes from a Latin American background,
I'm Cuban, so that whole we just started connecting it. It
was like that energy to save her had to flow
through her and pop through as opposed to save the
ant from getting really hurt. That's what we kind of

(01:53:56):
came up with. So that's the only thing that made
What do you think that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Well, I would say it's a four for sure that
something's happening in the family, and spirits trying to let
you know, despite what's going on, everything is according to plan.
So it's because sometimes we get wrapped up thinking, oh
my god, I can't believe this person was in an accident.
But if you had some type of forerunner to kind
of let you know that this is coming down, that
means there was a charted plan for that to happen
for that person, and it could be death for someone.

(01:54:20):
And I have a story about this in the book.
Actually there's an elder that I met a long time
ago named Danny Paul. And anyway, I had this amazing
dream with eagles, and the dream was where I was
in the sky flying with eagles, and I looked around
and some of the eagles were all white. There were
white eagles. Even though my name is white eagle. I

(01:54:41):
was looking at these other eagles that were all white,
and I could tell that they were elders. They were
all white. There is no white he I was gonna says,
it's a fallacy there of being white eagles. Right. So anyway,
these these bald eagles are all pure white. I know
that they're they're they're elders. And the other eagles, this
is where it gets the strange. The other eagles all

(01:55:02):
have ice in their wings, and they're flying in partners
or pairs.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
But they have ice.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
They have ice forming in their feathers. No, they're not.
They're now the pears. There's a male and female. The
female will get on the on the back of the
male as they were flying and picked the ice off
the feathers, and then they would change and then the
male would get on the back of the female and
pick the ice off. So all the eagles said, flowing

(01:55:30):
to this, we'll call it a church hall, okay. And
at the church hall, they they were beating on the
door for help because they had nowhere else to go.
They literally their little talons kicking on the door, which
is comical in some sense. But anyway, this priest come
to the door, and the priest said, well, what can

(01:55:52):
I help you with? You know, he says, well, you've
done so much harm to us, but we need you
to reciprocate some healing back to us. We need our
own space and place to be. Well, this the eagles
talking to the priests, and so what happened was that, well,

(01:56:12):
the priests would not help them, but what he says,
I'll give you a piece of the land that we've
annexed from you. So they went to the land and
they built a long house a traditional dream. In the dream,
it's pretty, I know, it's pretty vivid. And anyway, all
the eagles were inside the long house, and the white
eagles were inside in the long house with them, a

(01:56:34):
sacred space of teaching for elders and to share wisdom
and knowledge. Right, and I saw all the ice melting
off the wings of the other eagles. Now it was
like they were becoming healthy again. They were becoming whole again.
And then I woke up and I tell my wife, Michelle,
who's probably the wisest person in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
I'm going to say, You've brought her up a few times,
and I'm like, well, I got to give my I know,
I go to person, I'm married a couple decades. I
get you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Yeah. So she says, well, she should speak to an
elder and tell him about the dream and see what
he can make of this. So I'm thinking about some
elders and she goes, well, you shouldn't call those people.
I don't like those people so much. Right, She's honest,
bluntly honest. And then I'm thinkings got to be someone
else you can think of it. I'm like, hmm, I
used to. I remember this guy, Danny Paul, Right. So

(01:57:23):
I go to his Facebook page and on his profile
he's got an eagle in his arm. I'm like, pretty
sure there's the guy I'm supposed to talk to him.
So I give him a call and I say, Danny,
I tell him about the dream, and he goes, you
know what, I've already have a space picked up for
the longhouse. I've been waiting for somebody to come and
help me. And I said, well, how can I help you, Danny?
And he says, I just need your time, and I'm

(01:57:46):
like I'll give you my time. Can we do this
in the spring sometime. I'm very busy, so I don't
have very much time. And he said, yes, I have
a space already picked out for it. And anyway, I
have this conversation with him, and he says that our
people need a long house and the elders need a
place to share their wizard in teachings and such like that.
And I said, well, I'll help create the space so
that elders can do this. And this was like December

(01:58:08):
nineteenth when I shared this vision with him, this dream,
and it was very like profound, you know, because you
don't have things like that happen all the time. And
so anyway, December twenty fourth, I'm going to my wife's
money in laws, my wife's mom's house for Christmas dinner

(01:58:28):
pre Christmas, right, and so I'm driving there and on
the way there, there's an owl on a telephone wire
that is hanging very low, like for whatever reason, this
one wire is like sagging right down. It shouldn't probably
be that low or somebody's probably going to get hurt,
but there's an owl on it. And I pull up

(01:58:48):
to the owl in my truck and I get out,
and I'm standing for me to you, and I'm looking
at the owl and he just stares at me. I'm like,
this is Michelle, this is weird. This owl's telling me something.
He's trying to send me a message, and I'm not
sure because what do you think it means. I'm like,
now represents wisdom, right, knowledge of the elder, medicine, right,

(01:59:12):
could also represent death. In didgenous culture, we sometimes see
owls and we think that, I don't know, it's a
forerunner to somebody dying. I said, I hope that's not
what it means. But I feel like he's sharing something
with me. So we have Christmas dinner and I go
home and I think about calling Danny because of the message.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
I go to his Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
He just died.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
Oh he died six days after talking to him. And
I'm thinking, was that Danny sending me the owl to
remember the dream, to share the wisdom and knowledge. And
recently the lady the elder that I just met up
in near Brunswick, I told her about the same dream
and she says that in Migmah community, we don't have

(01:59:56):
any longhouses, but she knows the sermon need to build one.
I said, well, can we build one together? And she
said yes. So she's the one that gifted me the
eagle head, the eagle talent, hence having the dream of
the eagles. And it's reconnecting. And I never asked her
to give me anything. Sure, it's just all kind of aligned.

(02:00:17):
And I feel like Danny was kind of like helping me.
He was the one that told me he made his journey.
But he also didn't want me to forget the teaching
or what was given to me by spirit and to
share it with another elder. So that's a forerunner. But
there's so much more to that, and that's how my
life unfolds. It's you know, when you start to see
the synchronousy or connection in things. You know, I don't

(02:00:39):
go looking for people to build this. They will come,
they will show up, and everything will align to make
that happen.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
and now back to the show. Sean. I don't know
what it is about you, man, but like being in
the room here, like I feel so chilled, I feel
kind of like connected, Like if there's a vibe, there's
an energy in the room. Now I'm like, I feel

(02:01:10):
like I'm connected to my tiger, I'm connected to my horse. Yes,
we like it's It's like, I'm not even joking about it.
I literally feel there's a feeling that I have in
my body that I'm sensing and I'm feeling these kind
of things as we're talking about it. And the stories
in the back of my head of all the animal
encounters and all the thing. It's it's pretty amazing, man, Sean.

(02:01:32):
Where can people pick up this amazing book, Walking with
Your Spirit Over.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Animals, Well, you can. You can get it. You can
go to my website Sean hyphen Leonard dot com and
if you if you pre buy or if you buy after,
you can like submit your receipt number on my website
and you'll get the free teaching October twenty third and
it'll be recorded and sent out v email. After you'll
get a meditation, you'll get a ceremonial prayer to say
to connect to your spirit Tono Minimal. But if you
go to a website, it's got Amazon dot CA, Amazon

(02:01:57):
dot com, Barnes, a, Noble, Indigo, every place is all
on my website that you can go and click and
get the book and.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Of course, if they want to see more of you,
they can go to next levels sol TV. There s
Spirit Talker, Yes, and we have a a couple of
projects we might be working on next year together, so
I'm very excited to share that with the community as well.
One last question to you, my friend. If the Animal
Kingdom could tell humanity one thing that we need to

(02:02:26):
hear right now, what it would it be?

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
Reconnect to us, Remember that we are one.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
My friend. I'm almost tearing up after. It's so simple,
and that's when truths are usually.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
It doesn't have to be complex at all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
It's so so simple. Sean is such a pleasure talking
to you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
Saying with you. I think we're like soul brothers.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
You and I must have been a horse and.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
A cow and another life chicken in a worm, chicken
in a worm.

Speaker 4 (02:03:00):
Other life man, because every time you and I get together,
it just seem like we just fall into this kind
of like yeah, and we just chill acts and it's
kind of like it's like comfortable.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
It's extremely comfortable. So I appreciate you, brother, Thank you
again for being here, and I look forward to our
next conversation. So thank you for helping everything you do
to awaken this planet.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
My friend me too, and thank you as well.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
I'd like to thank Sean so much for coming on
the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all
of us. If you want to get links to anything
we spoke about in this episode, head over to the
show notes at Next levelsoul dot com Forward slash six
four one. Now. If this conversation stirred something in you,
there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely
commercial free on Next level Soul TV's app where Soul

(02:03:44):
meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Ruku,
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Begin your awakening at Next levelsoul dot tv. Thank you
so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.
It is there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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