NLS 644: Top MEDIUM Explains REAL HAUNTINGS: What SPIRITS Are ACTUALLY Doing in Your Home! with Cheryl Murphy

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let's dive in to today's episode. I like to welcome

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to the show, Cheryl Murphy.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Hey doing, Cheryl, I'm doing terrific. Thank you for having
me so much.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Child. Oh, thank you so much for being here. I
appreciate you taking the check out here to Next Level
Soul Studios and feeling the energy in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
You know, the energy as soon as I walked in,
it's still like sacred. I have to say, it's holy.
It's like I feel blessed. That's how it feels.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, I appreciate that. I take no credit for that.
I give the credit to all of the masters that
have walked in this room and are in this room
all the time. You could tell me better than other
other's a if theory standing around me.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Perhaps, but I will I will. Well, there's no coincidences.
I'll tell you that. The reason why you're attracted to
certain people, just like Yoga Nanda, you know, there is
a connection, a sole connection. They're a true soul connection
with you and him.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh yeah, I mean he's literally behind me constantly in
every frame everywhere. He's always around me. And Yoda is too,
So apparently I have a spiritual connection to Yoda.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
He's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
He's a good he's a very good guy. So, so
you're a psychic medium. I am your psychic medium. How
did you first discover this ability?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know it runs in my family, you know, if
we can share that because the women in my family,
my grandmother, my great great grandmother, who is Cherokee Indian. Yeah,
they all gathered around when every time we have a
family meeting like a holiday for example Christmas and what
have you, the women would gather and have a seance

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or they'd have these spiritual conversations. I was very young.
I really wasn't included at that time, but I would
hear I saw. I would hear them, and afterwards they'd
come out and sit and you could really feel a
shift happening. You could hear them talking, and you could
hear a lot of nonverbal communication too. So I mean
I felt lighter and freer, and I felt more intuitive

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just being around them. I learned later on in my
adult life that my great aunt was hired by the
Air Force by the government to find a missing pilot
and plane that they were not able to find. And
you don't hear about those stories, right, So I didn't
hear about it till my adult life. I asked my
great aunt, and you know, she told them she'll be

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happy to find them, but they they would not mention
her name and any findings or how they found the
pilot or plane. But things like that, stories like that,
I grew up with.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Whow So at what point did you realize you had
to get because it does skip generation sometimes.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
It does, and sometimes maybe more female or male. Even so,
growing up, I first started seeing spirit at the age
of three years old, right around that time.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
So you're literally seeing dead people walking around.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I saw them as light, or I saw them as
a ball of light, and I felt this ball of
light represented a family, So it was like a sole
family coming to see me. So I'm very young. It's
in the evening and this beautiful light comes in the
room and it's like they're checking on me, making sure
that I'm okay, excited for me to have this life here,

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and they're literally moving things around in my room right
they'd move a toy around or a calendar around. I scared,
you know what, everything was joyful, Everything was joyful. And
this happened several times growing up. And you know, when
you're very young to tell anyone, they just think, right,
you know, you're just a kid, it's your imagination.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
But your family knew about this stuff though, But.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It was okay though. I mean for them, it wasn't
any big deal. It was you know, it was part
of the household. Right in our family, we were used
to psychic events happening. My mom, for example, would walk
in the kitchen and silverware would bend, or knives would bend,
and so it is a little out there, but you know,

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it was something to be aware of that when I
stepped out of the house to go to school, for example.
You know, as a child, nobody else was talking about it,
so it didn't feel like it was interesting to anyone,
so I didn't mention it. But growing up, getting into
my teenage years, more kids were interested and I was
happy to share my ideas, my thoughts, go into meditation

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with them, you know, maybe going to a little bit
of a seance with them. My brother and I, who
are very close in age. He's really into this too,
so I knew growing up I had a support system.
So it's it's wonderful. My brother and I really grew
up believing about once again the afterlife. We read books
on it. This was a conversation we loved having. My

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mom had all those Edgar Casey books growing.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Up, a bunch of them in the studio.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, Edgar Casey, and there wasn't too much material out there,
you know, to learn about Sam Roberts.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
There's just a few, there's.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
A handful, just a few. But growing up with Edgar
Casey and understanding about how we're also healers, right, so
not only is our intuition about connecting with the afterlife,
but also like healing ourselves, healing our own aches and
pains or our own troubles, even manifesting, which was really important.

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So yeah, it's pretty interesting growing up with my brothers
and sisters because to this day, my other brother and sister,
they won't acknowledge that they're psychic or they're intuitive, but
they are. I know they are.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, that's a fear. There's a lot of fear involved
with this, especially in the world we live, and it
takes a brave soul to kind of come out and say, hey,
I'm gonna wave my freak flag.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
As well, and the feeling that you've had past lives
where you've either been ridiculed or once again you know,
there we are.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah of course, oh yeah, hung drowned, all that kind
of great lovely stuff of yesteryear.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
We've kind of been hidden in the past. So it
is a big deal, and that.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Could be a reason why people sometimes ignore or just
suppress this stuff because on a soul level, they're like, well,
the last time I spoke up, I got, I got hung,
I got burned, I got drowned, I got It's.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
True, and that's why it's so important to be a
support nowadays. It's so important to help people understand their intuition.
I think people kind of buried it, you know, they
don't want to know because it's fear based in some way.
But it's like, no, your intuition is very powerful and
also being empathic, it's very powerful. A lot of people

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would would shy away from that growing up. So one
of my goals is a medium, a psychic and intuitive,
is to help people understand their and really help them
kind of feel it within themselves, not just always hear
me helping them, but help let me teach them. Also
how powerful they are.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
You mentioned seance a couple of times. I've never spoken
about seances on this show. Yeah, I'm fascinated. I mean,
we've all seen the Hollywood version. Yeah, you know, the
tables starts shaking and we're all like, you know, the
power of Christ compels you kind of stuff. But from
a practical standpoint, what is the difference between us? Is

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a seance just a bunch of mediums getting together to
pull in a spirit or is it just a wider
door to let more in? Or is it direct communication?
Like I need Robin Williams the spirit to come in
the room, and couldn't you do that by yourself? Or
do you what's the power of the seance? Can you
explain it to me?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, you know, the power of the seance is really
to help the spirit world, not that they need our help,
but perhaps they could feel, you know, they could feel
the energy in a home. So let me share a
story with you. I walked into a bed and breakfast,
me and several other mediums. We were asked to help
clear a house, for example, because the owner which this

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building now was a bed and breakfast, had been in
the past many other things. You know, buildings were multifunctional
back then, right, it was a hospital, it was a
horse stable. At one time it was a doctor's office,
so it held a lot of energy. And her having
this bed and breakfast, she wasn't able to either keep
clients coming in or they didn't want to stay in
one of the rooms, right, because it was haunted, so

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to speak.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Where was this? This is in the south, in the South,
and so more likely I'm going to go on on
limb here. If it's in the South, it was either
silver war hospital of some sort that a lot of
death happened. I've heard this story before, and it was
what I was.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes, a lot of coal miners we were attracting specifically
also and because it was a doctor's office who had
you know, done abortions, we were attracting a lot of
that type of energy in this multifunctional.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Build What years was I know this.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Was early nineteen hundreds, but even back in the thirteen hundreds.
This is back before.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean, yeah, it was barbarier.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Very much so.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
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Speaker 1 (10:29):
So when there was.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Even crime committed in this house is what we picked
up on someone his life had been murdered, for example.
So once again you can see all this residual energy
in this place. So the seance getting to the seance
was a group of myself and other mediums as you mentioned,
to help clear this building, not that the souls are
being stuck, but to clear and lift the light of

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the energy. So as a seance, what we do is
we definitely sit in meditation, prayer, lift our own vibration,
always asking for the highest light to come, always asking
for healing to happen. And not only do we attract
people who had resided in that building, but even that

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property area, the land, the hundreds of miles away, we
were once again attracting exactly it was like a lighthouse. Yeah,
we found out the portal was an addict and addict
latch and for example, this is where the light, it's
where the light they went into the light. So we

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what we do is we ask them if they would
like help, if they would like healing, how can we
clear this house to help the current owner, because that
is the goal, is to help bring that home peace,
bring a blessing to that home and that property. Uh So,
once again we find it an outlet which was in
the addict It was a latch happening. As soon as
we said that, the latch dropped to the floor. It

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was like a dead boat lock. It dropped to the floor,
and then we felt this rush of energy going from
the ground up. It's fascinating and I have to tell
you it's in some way because we've checked back with
this owner afterwards several weeks, no problems and meaning that
the house is clean or it's blessed. It feels calm,

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it's not there's not energy moving around. That's not welcome,
is it?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
From what I understand, when energy, this is my understanding
of it. Please tell me what you think. And from
your point of view, is when energy when something happens
that's traumatic in a space, So a murder, you know,
a death of some sort, but specific murder is traumatic,
right right, that energy kind of gets caught in the space.

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And from what I was I was talking to another
medium the other day. They said that they walked into
one of these houses in the South and they're like, girl,
at one o'clock, stuff's going to happen, and he's like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever,
And she was like walking around in a one o'clock
It turned into a silver war triosh. There was blood everywhere.

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There's nurses walking around all this stuff, and they were
just doing their thing. It was kind of like they
were stuck in a loop.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's what happens is we're like on different planes of vibration, right,
and it's just stuck there. It's so true. And you
can even you know, other places I've worked in, you
can even hear them talking and these other planes. You
can hear instruments being moved around or as you mentioned,
the guns or the battle going on. So it's really
excellent that it's it's very multi dimensional, right, and it's

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not a grounded energy, so it does become uncomfortable or
to be around. It can be uncomfortable or that's.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
What people that's what humans feel.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yes, and if they're very sensitive, it can you know,
it can really interrupt, interrupt your flow. It can be
something that you need help clearing. It needs and so.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
When you say clearing, what is that? So you're basically
just taking a broom and yeah, you got a clear
What does that mean exactly? It's like lifting the light up, or.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's lifting the light up, but it is kind of
a blessing that's happening. It's really a miracle in some
way that we invite the spirit into the room, and
we invite them into the room to ask them how
we can help them. It's not like we're telling them
what to do or commanding them in any way. We're
inviting them. We're inviting them to maybe gather their own

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energy and clear into the light. And when we invite
them into the presence, we try to ask them, how
can we help you? What more can we do for you?
And therefore, as you mentioned, it's like a lighthouse, and
more and more spirits come in and you start feeling
they were looking for that sense of belonging, of connection.
It is that residual energy. It's it is kind of

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like a sweeping happening, but it's more of a blessing.
It's more of a lifting, and it's more of a gathering,
just gathering into the light.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So then do you like when like let's say that
example I gave you of you know, nurse is in
civil war guys. Uh, People always ask me like is
that their soul? Like stuck there and and my understanding
is it's echoes of this incarnation, meaning there's there the

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over soul is in a thousand other lifetimes right now
enjoying their thing. This is an echo. I use the
word echo.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, you use the word echo. I'll just use an aspect. Okay,
we could say a part of the soul, but an
aspect or the echo. But yes, they're full their soul
as you mentioned that overlay. Their soul is complete. They
have crossed over. This is a I also call it
a residual, you know, it's it's a part of what's
left of this synergy that remains.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
And that's what a quote unquote haunting is.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
You know, it can be, you know, hauntings. A lot
of times are you know exactly spirits asking for help
or once again that aspect of them wanting help or
wanting us to I don't want to say deliver a message,
but it has been that I have worked with spirits
who have asked me to deliver messages and then it
was their time and then they went to the light.

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So I have met people in my world where I
have done readings for people and I have felt the
energy of the home they used to live in and
deliver a message to them from the home. Yes, and
then once that happens, then the home somehow just feels
more whole or feels more I don't want to say clean,
but it does feel like there's more light and a

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softness to it.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
You said portal, What do you mean by portal?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, a portal isn't opening to those higher dimensions, those
higher planes.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And you said the latch was this is it just
happened to be.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It was a latches where and it catches you off guard, right,
you don't know where this energy is. It's almost like
an outlet. You don't know where it's in. But when
you're in this energy of the seance, it comes to you.
It comes to you that the spirits here are what's remaining,
are asking for help. They're asking for a clearing, and
you know that you can open up some portal and

(17:03):
opening to a higher dimension. And it was a physical door. Yeah,
it was a physical attic door. Yeah, to actually go
to the Yeah, it was incredible.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Higher level when you're doing the seance, I mean, as
a medium, you're able to do everything by yourself arguably, Right,
what's the power behind having two or three or even more.
And is it all have to be mediums or it
could just be other souls, you know, like in the movies,
you have the one medium and there's the families all
there trying to bring Uncle Bob in, Like where's the

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insurance policy? We can't find it kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's a very good question. Well, in this seance, for example,
we had the owner of the bed and breakfast with us,
So it was nice to have someone representing that property
with us, you know, because that's why we're doing that's
the whole purpose of it. But having other mediums, it
just happened that we were all mediums in this one group.
But it is nice to have a group of people

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because the intention it's powerful, you know, and that's what happens.
It's it's exponentially much more powerful, even maybe more helpful
to make the energy transitions.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
As a as a psychic medium, I imagine that when
you first started hearing messages and you hear them I'm
assuming audibly or in the mind or do you see like.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
What how do you actually yeah, yeah, many ways, right,
I hear mostly Claire audiently, so.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
You actually hear outside.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Well, there is subjective and objective hearing. I hear a
lot of it subjectively. Sometimes I hear it outside myself,
which is objectively. And then but I also see using
the clairvoyance or once again Claire sentience a lot in
the feeling. Sometimes I'll smell cigarette smoke, right, so that's
like claral factory, or you know, you taste Grandma's apple pie,

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apple pie. I was going to say, pasta sauce. You know,
sometimes you just know things. It just drops in that
clear cognizance.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
So how do you know the difference? I mean, I'm
sure you've kind of honed it at this point, but
when you first how did you know the difference between imagination,
your own self talk and your own brain talking to
you and true divine communication.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I know, it's really incredible. It's a question that is
I think would help a lot of people too, because
I get asked that question a lot, and it's it's
a tough question to answer because you have to trust
what you're getting. So the difference for me is sometimes
it's doesn't sound like my voice, you know, it does
sound like it's a higher power or different tone, different

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tone like a student, a different like if it's a
male loved one coming through a departed loved one. They
do sound different than than me, and they feel different.
The energy is feels different. It's usual. I usually get
spirit over my right shoulder. So that's and how I
trust it is the difference between trusting your intuition and

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knowing it's your own imagination. It's also through practice, but
it's also so setting that intention. If I set the
intention to connect with the loved one in spirit, I
know that anything from that point forward is from the
spirit world, and I get validations or confirmations from the
people I'm working across, from the sitter, the recipient of
the information, they can validate that. So you could also

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call me an evidential medium where I bring through, you know,
validations and confirmation that that information's true.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
That you used to walk into the cane and the
cane had a horse heat on it, right, like things
like that, and you there's just no way you.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Would know exactly, And you can also know if it's
validation if it comes through repeatedly.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
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Speaker 2 (20:48):
Also, I could ask the spirit world to give me
something else that the person the client can validate, and
that would also be another level of validation. You know,
for example, were you making peanut butter and jelly sandwich
last week that and you would say yes, I can,
and then it would be a confirmation from spirit. They
can confirm that.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I mean, because it is a fine line between being
a clairvoyant and crazy. I mean, I mean you could.
You could literally because you could like, am I listening
to my voice? And you can make things up in
your own mind and you could start rationalizing. I say
that with all the love in the world.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, I love the question because a lot of people
come to me and go, oh my god, am I
going crazy?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like right, because most people it's I can imagine that. Look,
if all of a sudden, I'm like, wake up in
the morning and all of a sudden, Grandma's there, I'll
be like, Okay, yeah, Now, obviously I'd probably react a
little differently. Now I have a lot more experience in
this world. I'd be like, Grandma, Okay, is this a
new thing? All right? Fantastic, But if I start hearing
voices of people or things like that, I'd be like like, yeah, again,

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I would be a little bit different at this point.
But if five years ago, yeah, ten years ago, I'd
be like different, I'd be like, what what has happened?
So it it's it seems like there's a lot more
people opening up now than there used to be, and
there's a lot more people trying to figure out what
the hell's happening to them? And am I crazy or
am I clairvoyant? You know, there's a fine it's a

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fine one.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's a fine line. And I got to tell you, look,
you got to prepare to channel this high energy from
loved once you got to ground yourself. You know, you
got to know yourself. You got to know your own
energy first before you connect. And it does feel like it.
Not not connecting with loved ones feels like you're going crazy.
But people who are going through a transformative time in

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their life that can feel crazy, like, hey, the world's
you know, the ground's falling out from underneath my feet, right,
the floor is dropping out, I lost my job, my relationship,
what's happening?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Basically being a teenager all your life, Basically the energy
of a teenager all your life, because everything is dramatic,
the world this coming to the end all the time.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I just say, look, just hang on, right, hang on,
hold the light for yourself, just kind of prey right,
hold this grounding light, hold that grounding cord. But it
is it does feel like a little bit of craziness
now and then, but really connecting with the loved ones,
I gotta say, you got to know, when you step
into intuition and connecting with loved ones, guides, angels, it's

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a very high vibrational experience. It's loving, it's supportive, it's
something otherworldly.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Do you I know with channels from what I understand
that they have to prepare their nervous system to handle
the energy coming through. And it's a gradual like almost
you got to just kind of you know, it's like weights.
You can't lift the heavyweight right away. You need to
kind of build up tolerance. Tolerance is the word.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
It was a good example.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
You have to build up tolerance before you can go
in and bench five hundred pounds. You got to start
with fifty and go and start, because if you try
to lift five hundred pounds, yeah, you will die. So
similarly like you can't bring in the energy of Buddha
exactly off the bat, you'll fry exactly. So how is
it for psychic mediums. It is.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's like a muscle. It's like a psychic muscle. It's
like your bicep muscle. It is all about practice, grounding, centering, meditation,
sitting in the power of many people call deeper meditation,
but it is. It's a practice. It's a foundation and
it's something that you have to layer. You want to
practice it and create. Like that muscle, you want to

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develop it and strengthen it because, for example, I could
connect with your grandfather and spirit, but if I develop
it through a daily practice or ritual or practicing self care,
perhaps I can go deeper with information. That's always the
message is to bring through their need, like what what
is the message they're trying to bring through? And to

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be that good medium or to be that good uh
you know, custodium where I can connect and give them
the message. That's the beauty of it.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And from my understanding, it's not as much that and
please correct me, I For'm wrong. It's not as much
that you're helping the other side. It's the other side
trying to get a message that it's going to help us,
because they don't really they're cool on the other side,
they don't like they're not sitting there like, oh, I
wish I would have told my wife this or my
daughter that. That's not They're cool. On the other side,
they want to send that message over to heal us

(25:26):
while we're here. Is that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
You know it does, and they are there. We have
to honor their need right, the spirit's needs. So when
a client comes to see me, they think I'm going
to answer their questions, but it's like, nah, I work
for the spirit world. Like I'm going to be their voice.
Whatever they want to say, whatever they want to say, yeah,
is going to be. But I do want to tell
you an experience I had. I felt like I was.

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I felt like when I was connecting with the woman
just recently, her mom was really being helped from the
other side. Her mom really came through and said, thank
you for all the prayers and sending me. I know
we didn't get along so much in the physical, but
thank you for honoring me and respecting me and still
caring on such high regard for me. It was if

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the mother who had passed had had an awakening in
the spirit world, like she was able to release a lot,
she was able to evolve right, it's all about evolving,
so it's quite moving when we connect.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Let me ask you this, when the soul passes over
to the other side, obviously they are they're wrapped in
our kind of personality at the beginning, I think, correct
me if I'm wrong, you know, Alex and Cheryl. Okay,
So when we cross over, hopefully ninety times soon, Like
I always say, everybody wants to go to heaven, just
not right now. So when we pass over, we're going

(26:46):
to have our suit on, like our personality a bit.
And then my kids, if I'm going to speak to them,
I'm not going to speak to them as the Roman
soldier I was five lifetimes ago. That's right. I'll speak
to them from this point of view. But a lot
of people are like, so is Alex or Cheryl just
hanging out at a coffee bar because they have to

(27:07):
throw a human thing on it on the other side.
But wait a minute. If there's all these other souls,
other experiences happening, so at what point do I lose Alex?
You know? And I'm the witch that got burned at Salem,
or I was a Roman soldier. I wasn't back in Egypt.
All the other lifetimes I've been. I was a never
clear patrack. I was only cleaned up the poop behind

(27:30):
the horses that carried clear patra That's who I was.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
To say, who is to say that you are going
to lose Alex?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
No, that's my point, Like I'm just that's my question,
like do our because I know these personalities that we've
built are going to be part of the sole experience,
there's no question. But at a certain point, let's say
I'm in a lifetime two hundred years from now, Alex
is not going to be their aspects of who I was,
as aspects of who I've been a end this. I've

(28:00):
been told that I've I've been burned many times. Yeah,
I've been in prison many times. I speak out a lot. Apparently,
I'm a troublemaker apparently, and especially in the spiritual space,
I've been a monk and a spiritualist, all this kind
of stuff. So that's all all this stuff makes sense
to me, right, So I carried a lot of that
stuff with me in this into this life, and I'm

(28:21):
sure I'll carry it. But yeah, I don't have my
personality from when I was imprisoned in Spain. You know,
well tell me, tell me this is we're going deep
into deep waters here and we're going to get the depot.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
So you're so so Alex, you're a soul and what
happened is in this lifetime is, Alex, you have brought
other past lives with you into this lifetime. You brought
past lives that you enjoyed that you you know, you
had a family perhaps in a past lifetime, so you
wanted to recreate that in this lifetime, right, uh. And
there are aspects to our soul we're are. I think

(28:56):
our consciousness, which this is all about. Our soul's contraciousness
is so vast in the afterlife or in the other world,
in the spirit world, that we can be Alex the Dad,
but we can also still retain or have those memories
of other past life souls to your children. You'll always

(29:16):
be Dad when that time comes when you do cross over,
and you'll always remain that way. At the same time,
you will also have all that other information available to you. So,
for example, I always feel because I've had past lives
in Egypt, right, you have all been there. You were
cleaning up by thinks I was cleaning.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Up behind Claire Patcher. Yes, I mean I don't want to.
I'm always adjacent from the famous you know, I was
it with Julius Caesar. I was the guy behind.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
So I always feel, I always feel when I need information,
I can reach over into that past life in Egypt.
It's like reaching over into my spiritual library of you know,
the Akashic records for example, and getting energy or information
from that past life to help answer questions in this lifetime.
Or so we pull from those resources if that helps.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
But we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, your soul is amazing, and you know a
lot of people think it's somewhere else. Just to just
to let people know, you know, the spirit world is here.
We're here where spirit our loved ones are here. We're
all in the same mix, so to speak. Maybe they're
a thought away, or they're a vibration away, but it's
not that we can't create that or maintain it or

(30:42):
reach that. We can raise our vibration. So but just
you know, they are here. They are experiencing the world
as we experience them. And I think your loved ones
who have passed they're here watching you they're helping, their supporting.
Do you feel them. I feel them that, Yeah, there
feel they're here.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, let me ask you. So a lot of times
I hear from mediums who like they're coming on the
show and they're like, oh my god, there's this dude
that just keeps bothering me. He keeps coming in. But
I hear that from mediums that like, if they're going
into a session the next day, the relatives start showing
up like like twelve hours earlier, sometimes a week earlier.

(31:20):
They're like, oh, I know you're going to go talk
to Beth. I need I'm here. Yeah, And you're like, dude,
seven days I know, can you just relax? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Can you come back? You know, thanks for coming. It's
so true, thanks for coming. Come back when your loved
one's here, and let's really you know, connect. It does happen.
I will pick up energies from a week prior to
the event or a week day before the reading. I'll
start the morning of and we'll start picking them through.
So what I do personally is I just acknowledge, Hey,

(31:49):
I understand that you're here, thank you, and I'll be
working at you know that five o'clock that evening, like
please come back. But it is a it is kind
of a discipline, right.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's kind of like that scene and Ghost with Whoopy
Goldberg and all the all the ghosts hanging around in
the waiting room and they line up and they're lining
up and she's like saying, what do you make me do? Now?
Everybody's here? All these is there a Ronaldo? Ronaldo? Is there?
Ronaldo in the house? And they're like, I'm here. I'm like,
all right, he's here.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's so true?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Something like all the dads come through? For example, everyone
knows my dad. Just to tell you, my dad, when
he was alive, he did not believe in this, not
that he was a skeptic, but he hadn't had the experiences.
He's like, scherol, I believe in you. I believe you've
had the experiences, but I personally so after his passing.
Now with my other medium friends or colleagues, what have you,

(32:39):
it's Cheryl's dad's here.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's like he's trying to help everyone, Like he gets
so much thrill of supporting everyone. I know? Is that endearments?
That's sweet? I know, so even loved ones that haven't
had the experience or didn't believe in this. They're stepping
into the energy of mediumship.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Did you when your dad first came in after he
pass did you go? I told you, and he's like,
who knew?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
No, No, but he laughed a lot about it. He said,
this is pretty interesting. This is pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, so just out of curiosity, I'm
not going to ask for it. But did anyone come
knocking on the door because they knew you were coming?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Absolutely? Of course, you know, Yogananda was the first out
of the GOP. I'm telling you, I know there's a
strong soul connection with you and him. I feel like
the two of you have walked before, and you know
there is something about trading information, meaning you either wrote
together or used to write for him, or something about
this being a colleague in some way, not always just

(33:42):
a student of his, but being more than that, you know,
an assistant or a right hand or a fellow enlightened one.
I also felt your grandmother and your grandfather always show up.
I know your grandmother is doting on you. That's kind
of how I keep hearing about it. Right. Is your protector? Oh,
A strong.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
One, A very strong one and she was also the psychic.
Was she she was? She had the gift, She had
the gift, but she never we never spoke about it.
I didn't know until probably a year ago my mom
told me about this story. It's amazing and she had
the gift and my aunt had the gift, and uh.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
It's affirming that what you're doing now, then that's what
it does, right, It affirms how you got to where
you are here.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
It's insane. I don't even know how I got where
I got it. It doesn't even make any sense. I
always tell people on paper, this makes no sense. Well,
I'm not a psychic, I'm not a clairvoyan. I'm not
a channel. And yet we do the show and it
but the more I do the show, the more I understand, like,
oh so I needed to go.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
This and the well you're following your heart now, what's
happening right that this is all heart here?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
This is all heart.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah. I love I love doing this. I love doing this.
But I'm glad Grandma and Grandpa yeah they always there
was jockey too. I found that it was jockey for position,
no for positions. So sometimes like Grandma gets a lot
of action to get in and then Grandpa is like,
enough of that. I want some action now, and I
want to talk to him and like, first of all,
I don't like what you're doing with this, and it's
like this is this and you need to cover this up.

(35:13):
I'm like, okay, okay, that's Grandpa.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know, you got to hear them out. You got
to hear them out. And they have every right to
to kind of work off each other because it just
feels like you have such a balance in your family
even like you know, very much respect in the male
and the female side, so you know, it makes sense
that they both come through to help you.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's that's fascinating. So with all the stuff that's going
on in the world right now, you know, I'm assuming
you have some insight of why we're going through what
we're going through right now, and where we're going in
the next year. This has been a crazy year. Crazy
it's been a nutty I mean every year since.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Twenty twenty exactly, it's been.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Getting weirder and weirder and weirder and weirder, and and
it's like this year has been insane, and I have
a feeling twenty six is not gonna not gonna let up.
But can you do you have any understanding of what's
happening to us right now, why it's happening to us,
and the next year, the next five years. You know,

(36:16):
where's the light at.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
The end of this question, because it's always there and
even even before twenty twenty, for example, twenty twelve. Yeah,
you know, exactly exactly, You're exactly right, the end of
the mind calendar.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, twenty twelve is when it it started. Twenty twelve,
twenty sixteen, that was another big year I remember, but
twenty twelve, it's wasn't what mine is. I think what
this is just my understanding the minds. We're not saying
that the world was going to end. Is the old
world that we lived in was going to go right,
and now we're starting a new phase of humanity and

(36:51):
that's what that marker was, if if.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I'm correct, And a new consciousness is happening too, so
you know, there is a new consciousness, there's worldly information
coming through. So how I'm feeling it is there's a
release happening. You know, there are things breaking down, you know,
the financial market, the housing market back and what in
twenty eighteen, everything that the health industry. Good gracious, Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I mean all of it's all of that's cracking. You
see it everywhere. Charges I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Vatican all that they can't hold the new light that's happening.
And there is kind of an explosion happening, but it's
it's more of like an explosion of light. But it's
about releasing, you know. It's not like holding on, Oh
my god, we're going to be okay. It's like, no,
wait a minute. You've got to kind of trust your
you know. This is why this work is so important
right now. You've got to kind of be grounded, trust

(37:40):
that what's happening is shifting and that there is a
good thing coming. There's a good time happening. But a
lot of things, the darkness is being pointed out. For example,
the darkness is rising, but also there's light in the darkness,
you know, and that's why things are shifting and opening.
I think the young kids being born these days or
also they're also paving the way. But I think the

(38:03):
elders in some way are becoming even more I don't know,
there's just so much more in tune. They're more aware,
like people are more connected to their elders perhaps right now,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It's to a certain extent, yeah, I mean culturally it's
a different thing here in the West, but like in
Japan and in South America and you know, those kind
of cultures, they are a little bit in other areas
of course in the world too. Please don't leave comments
that are that are really family oriented and they're starting
to look at their elders in a different way. The
kids today are coming in wired, They're.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
They're coming and way knowing more than we are, and
they're here to help balance or rebalance or so what's
also happening with that release work is there's a unity happening.
It's about you know, you know, connecting with each individual,
and not not only people, but connecting with Mother Earth
as well. You know, we have to not only take
care of her, meaning we have to ground ourselves to

(38:59):
her because she is part of this exchange happening or
this awakening happening. So not only are you and I
and everyone going through transformative times, but the earth countries
are going through transformation. Animals are, the animal world, the
plant kingdom. Everything is being shown more light. And that's

(39:22):
what's so interesting is the eyes that you and I have, right,
we have our physical eyes, we have our spiritual eyes.
But I do feel we're going to be seeing more
light coming in, meaning that we're going to be seeing
even new color, if that makes sense. It's not just
the shades of the rainbow, for example, but there's more
differentiation and how we're seeing and perceiving information coming through,

(39:46):
and the consciousness coming through, and the new world. I feel,
I almost feel like there's more than one Earth, right,
have you heard that before? There we are in the.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Multiverse, multiverse timelines, of course, and that's the Mandela effect.

Speaker 3 (40:00):

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Shifting. You know many of us. Okay, I have to
ask you the question. Yes, did Ed McMahon go and
knock on people's doors and give people million dollar checks
for the publisher clearing House?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I believe?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
So? Okay, so you and I are in the same timeline.
Never happened. Never, it never happened. He never worked for
Publisher's clearing House. He never did any of that stuff.
He never worked for any of those things. He worked
for another company called American Family or something like that.
But he didn't do the check to the door, that's
what they say. But yet, yeah, if you look up

(40:44):
on YouTube, right, he did guest appearances on eighties sitcoms
as himself coming to the door with a million dollar
check in a camera. Okay, so what the hell is happening.
So that's a perfect example of the Medel effect that
there's two different realities.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Well there's more than two. Oh, there's there's that's the
point of view. Look, we're getting So what's happening is
we're getting deep into consciousness work right now. We're getting
to deep awareness with people right now, and if they
need to have a sense of self, they need to
have a sense of gratitude to stay grounded. I even
feel in the future anger is going to be shifted out.

(41:24):
Like we're learning other values, we could say in some way,
we're learning more about the heart being our guide. We're
learning more about that you and I can be leaders,
as you already are with this amazing podcast you have.
You're welcome. It's such a privilege and to also honor
that each one of us is our own master learning right,

(41:47):
rather than having all of these subclasses or these we're
also once again moving into the unity feelings.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
How I'm working away from dogma.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
It's becoming more of a It's like letting more of
a higher vibration step into our path and learning to
lean on them. So we're leaning on more of a trusting,
a trusting feeling we are and learning to have faith,
you know. It is walking into that mystery, right living
the unknown. That's where we are right now.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I think that's why everyone's so terrified.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
A lot of fear.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Because everything is, everything's changing so rapidly. AI is it
is taking not taking over, but in the sense that
it's becoming a major part of our lives, kind of
like when the Internet showed up.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Exactly even more so much more and a I can
be a full on inspiration, it can be a full
on right, it can be a full on healer, like
I feel AI moving into learning, you know, helping people
with illnesses right finding those answers.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
It could find a cure for a disease, or help
people understand their body better, things like that. It's you know,
but a lot of people think of terminator or the matrix.
That's that's where it's all. It's a tool. Anything, it's
like anything else is. I use the example for people
that people like, everything's changing, everything's moving. I'm like, for

(43:03):
our you know, for generation, your generation, of my generation, Sears,
where is it it's gone? Sears was around for over
one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It was the only thing out there.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
It was, it was, it was an institution. Yeah, you know,
you could argue Blockbuster, but Blockbuster was only around for
a few decades, you know, twenty years, thirty years, something
like that. But Sears, Yeah, was around, for instance, the
eighteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
They sold houses. Yeah, you could buy a house.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Three thousand dollars or something like that and they would
ship it to you. They would they would do ship
it to you. They would ship you house and you
just build it. They can say insane stuff, but that's
a that's a perfect example of an institution that that
just left. And there's so many of those. You know,
you look at the Vatican, you know, different, a little

(43:50):
bit different than Seers, but you could see the cracks.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, well the Vatican maybe slower to change, oh to change.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
They'll be the last to change. They'll change, but they'll
be the last to change.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
And that that too is quite a movement happening. You know.
So look, Sears, let's go back to sears. A lot
of people now are afraid of their jobs. They're afraid
of I mean, they could lose their job tomorrow because
it's a real iffy universe happening. So the goal right now,
what I'm seeing happening once again, it's the release happening

(44:26):
of holding onto what was or what is for people
understanding that there's different sides of us opening and awakening,
Like we can do more than just this nine to
five feeling, for example, we can do more healing work.
We can work with other realms, we can work with
other dimensions. And perhaps that is that awakening happening. Like

(44:48):
the children have it these days that they're going to
become our teachers. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
My kids are among annoying the hell out of me.
They are teachers, there's no question.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And it's yeah. And people are opening up to their
empathic abilities, you know, they're opening up to their intuitive
and that is very fearful for people. They're like, what's happening.
I'm hearing, I'm seeing, I'm feeling. I fill the room
and you know, and it's actually that superpower that I
want to tell people about. Look, we have to ground
your energy into Mother Earth. We have to put you

(45:20):
in your body. A lot of people are out there,
a lot of people are walking around the planet, you know,
two or three inches above the planet because they're all
up in their mental energy. They're in their headspace.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
On the drama, well, it's Plato's algory of the cave.
They just keep looking at the shadows on the wall.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
It's so true.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Right, that's all they're doing.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And then that's being manifested. Right, that's what's happening. And
we have to really understand that mindfulness patience. Right, each
day is new, each moment.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, you've been in this space for a long time
and you've seen a change in the last twenty years,
last thirty years, and I mean it's very different than
it was before. What do you feel about this whole,
this industry, this space, this niche of spirituality, because there's
a lot of amazing people in it who are doing
good work. Yeah, and then of course there's the other

(46:11):
others who are doing it for egotistical reasons, are just
purely for money. You're not really trying to shine light
in the world, not trying to really lift it. Maybe
fear basing, doing fear based stuff as opposed to love
and light. What's your take on all of that from
your point of seeing it change?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
I have, Well, I'll go back to you know, with
me going to school like I didn't. This conversation wouldn't
have happened in my school yard, for example. So that's
how it was growing up, and there weren't many places
to study this, and for me personally, I wanted to
work with like minded people like I'm looking for my
tribe growing up, going where are you? It was not

(46:49):
in the world as they are today. It's much more mainstream.
But at the same time, I want to tell you
I feel for me personally it's my vocation, like it's
a calling. I don't know if everyone has that same
goal in them and so if it's for the highest reason.
I really think there's a lot of integrity with mediums today.

(47:12):
There's still the other side. You know, you have to
watch out for frauds, you have to watch out for people.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
At carnivals, at carnivals, you know the side things wrong
with psychic carnivals.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Or you know, you have to you have to take
everything with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There's a crystal ball you should run. You need to
take pause, and you need to take pause.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
And that's where intuition comes in, and that's where referral
comes in. But there's still an amazing presence of mediums
lifting this light. And I like to put myself in
there about you know, working with people who have high integrity,
and not only mediums, but you know healers. Oh my god,
so many amazing healers and light workers, you know, channelers.

(47:57):
As as you've mentioned, there is this force or this
movement raising this planet. So it is about kind of
going through the weeds and weeding them out. But once
you kind of discover and programs like yours are out
there absolutely to lift that vibration of the planet with
integrity and mindfulness and compassion and understanding. So I think

(48:17):
if you reach for those, or if you're going for that,
you're more likely to find someone or find a group.
That's why I started my healing Prayer Circle was to
create a community of like minded people because I didn't
have that growing up. So I wanted to give other
people that offering of hey, look you can come here,
we can talk about this, right, we can pray or

(48:40):
meditate together. And that's really such an amazing energy now
that's being created.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, that's stuff that really exists at all.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Much more mainstream, and once again there's books everywhere. They're
making you know, ghost.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
The movies are.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Out there, which is Hollywood. Some of it's holly. Ghost
is more ghost, I mean, is more tuned in.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I just watched I just watched it again a few
weeks ago, actually watched it with my daughters because I
hadn't seen it ever. And I'm like, yeah, I watch
Ghosts because are fans of like those those eighties heart throbs,
because they're like, there's nothing like those guys now. I'm like, yeah,
Patrick Swayze's not around right now in his prime. I mean,
you know Patrick and all those guys back in the day.

(49:26):
So they watched it, and I was watching it, I'm like,
my god, he nailed a lot. And I know, yeah,
I know Bruce who wrote it, and he won the
Oscar for it, and I know the backstory of the
whole how he came up with it and his whole
spiritual journey. He's a Tibetan. He's a Tibetan meditation teacher now.
But but you could see that he got a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
He got a lot right, because Whoopy Goldberg is also evident.
I mean she's providing evidential information that did media can
can can confirm. And and then once again the Trance Channel,
as you mentioned, she starts hearing everybody in the room
and calling out names and really setting that intention. I
think she did. I think she was that mystic, you know.

(50:11):
I think he did get it right with connecting with
the Departed Spirit Company.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I love that she was a charlatan at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That she didn't believe.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
No, she wasn't, she wasn't a real she was just
she was at out for the buck. She was out
for the buck. She was a hustler. She's like, you know,
doing the whole like the whole thing. Yeah. What I
love about you, Cheryl is that you present yourself in
a very professional manner. You're very articulate.

Speaker 3 (50:38):

Speaker 1 (50:48):
And that is I'm hoping what I'm trying to do
with the show is to put that kind of light
on this kind of work because it's been bastardized by
Hollywood and also just from reality because that's what it
was with the whole gypsy vibe and the you know,
the crystal ball and all of that kind of vibe
where people it was it was laughing stock almost, and

(51:10):
that's why people normal mainstream never took it seriously. But
there's so many people like you know, mediums like you
have enentil, Mediums like you who are professional, who dressed professionally,
who speak professionally in and that you can't argue like,
is she nuts? Yeah, well, if she is, she's well
put together. Let me tell you she speaks pretty well.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I mean, you give me a second here. I have
an amazing set of beautiful mentors and instructors, and I
got to tell you I have learned from spirit so much.
They're an amazing teacher the spirit world. And as you
mentioned the fear and the taboo, you know, that's what
it was, is the psychic. The word psychic commits so

(51:52):
many different things. Back then it was a darker energy,
or it was something to fear, or it was against
my religion, right, it was against a religious belief.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
It's a devil's work. Obviously, there we are you are
the devil, so am I obviously?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So yeah, So what we've learned and well, what we've
learned is you know, the Bible is probably the most
metaphysical book out there, right, and so but you know
it's all maybe on how you look at it, but
it's really through experience. And that's what I do in
my mediumship is offer validation and evidence to support that
I am connecting with your loved one and to bring
you the feeling. My goal always is to help people

(52:27):
connect with their loved one's heart to heart right help
them feel like, oh my god, this is possible. Your
loved one can be right here. You are receiving the
signs or the tap on the shoulder or the smell
of their fragrance in the room, like that is yours
loved ones.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I remember when I was you know, when I stepped
my toe into this space as a podcaster, I was terrified,
terrified because I was had. I had a real, big,
real business. I had another business, yeah that was in
the filmmaking world. And I was forced into this by
my fame, my spiritual mentor, Connie, and she's like, you
need to do it, you need to do and I'm like,

(53:03):
all right, whatever, I'll do it. But I was terrified
and I literally for the I mean, I stopped I
don't know if you knew that, but I stopped for
so I started Easter of twenty twenty one, okay, and
I would do an episode a week, maybe one every
other week, and it turned into once a month. And
if anyone who's bumping following me, they know I put
out content like water. So at our peak we were

(53:25):
doing four to five episodes a week. So I was
not bad. It's insane. I don't advise it. There's a
lot of work, but I kind of dipped my toe
into it, and then I stopped for three months, three
to four months. I just stopped the whole show until
Connie yelled at me, and.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Then I, yes, you were being called back.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
She yelled at me, and I went back in and
I went hard and into it, and I took the
deep the leap of faith. But for the first year
and a half, I didn't have a psychic gone. People
can go back to the first hundred episodes, not once.
I don't think maybe I don't. I don't even think James,
because I had James James van Prague on, I think

(54:03):
he was. He might've been one of the first ones
because he was very popular. Obviously he's very reparable. But
I didn't have psychics on. I didn't have psychics. I
had mediums. I had channelers on because I knew channelers
and I felt comfortable with that, right, But I didn't
have psychic mediums, and I did not talk about angels,
like I would never talk about angels. But I'm like,
that's just crazy talk that you're talking angels. Come on.

(54:24):
So it even you could see the progression of me
of like trying to open up and allow myself to
do it till I finally started allowing psychics on and
mediums on. And because of what you said that whole.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Don't know, I'm like, I don't want to go down
that road. So it's it's really interesting if you go
back and look at those episodes. You know, I was
very I was. I was still scared.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, you were evolving, I had to your soul was evolving,
and you were being called to spirit nudging you like, hey,
get some more people on.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Right, I was doing your dething, a lot of your
death experiences, a lot of things that were safer in
this space, you know, but still on the outskirts obviously.
But you know, when you have a channel coming in
and channeling on the show with you. You're definitely not mainstream,
but it took a minute to kind of open myself up.
So I used that. I use that as an example
for people to kind of understand that this is a process.

(55:20):
Like even you, I'm assuming when you first started, it
took a minute to start. You took steps. It's just
an usually show up and like all right, everyone, I'm
a psychic, now let's roll up.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Hey, look it's so true because look I was pumping
a lot of energy through me too in my early
days where I had to take a break. You know,
it's like, hey, I need to manage this energy coming through.
I need to take a break, set it down for
a while, and then Spirit would call me back, and
then you know, my mediumship would evolve. I went from
you know, not only connecting with departed loved ones, but

(55:52):
then it stepped into departed pets or living pets, and
then it stepped into medical intuition, and that's what spirit
it was guiding me towards, right, and then I was
helping find missing persons for a while there also that
must be though it's lovely, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I was gonna say it has to be tough work
because if you don't find them, it's hard, or if
you find them too late. I gotta believe on a
psychological stamp and an emotional standpoint. It must be brutal.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's hard, it's and it's a lot of work. Meaning, uh,
it's a lot of psychic work. You've got to really
it's like remote viewing, you know, which you know, you
know doing we did latitude longitude locations with Google Earth,
you know, trying to help locate missing persons. And but yeah,
but my my medium ship has evolved, you know where

(56:37):
I'm working more with students and teaching more and I'm
finding my I'm teaching different things. I'm teaching energy transformation
sessions now, which talks about our energy field. So not
only because I'm a medium and an intuitive a psychic,
but I'm also I have this energy right, my aura,
So how do I take care of this as a medium?
And so then now I'm teaching that to other people, like, look,

(56:59):
you don't have to be a medium or psychic, but
you got to learn to practice self care because you're
an energy being. You're an energy being who's probably intuitive,
right or you know, you're intuitive, especially those impaths that
are opening up, they're super sensitive. You got to know
how important grounding is, how important it is to connect
with mother Earth, keep your feet on the earth, and

(57:19):
also how to be aware and practice self care with
your energy field, like you know, don't drain yourself. You
know how people work too hard or you're right, Yeah,
they run themselves to the ground. Is that what they say?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, that's I've been on the ground a few times.
Sound sure. I'm trying to figure that out myself. Another
thing that took me a minute to have on the
show was people who spoke to animals in a psychic
psychic way, because I was like, that's crazy talk. Why
are you talking to your dog? That's not that's not
like So it took me a minute to kind of
wrap my head around it. So I wanted to let's

(57:54):
go into the to the animal aspect.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I'm fascinated by this because I mean, I have animals.
I've had I had a dog.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I know, I felt a dog with your grandmother and grandfather.
They all start coming in, so I'm like, oh, there's
the dog, and yeah, your family.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Was he a little dude? You don't feel that.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I didn't really feel size at the moment. I wasn't
really going there, but I felt high energy. And I
feel them usually around the waist or below, you know,
because this is where they hang out, you know. Or
if they jump in your lap, or if they jump
up on you, or if they're laying down in the corner,
I kind of feel their energy what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I had a dog that had medical issues and for
probably about three or four years of his life, and
I had to take care of him, and it was
in my twenties and all that stuff, and it's fascinating,
it's fascinating. He was my he's my companion since I
was eighteen. And then I met my wife and then

(58:49):
I brought him over, brought her over to meet him,
and the next day he left. He's like, oh, thank god,
someone else to see how to take this guy on.
He's a project. He's a project. Good luck to you, girl.
I've already done done. And he left the next time,
and I was like, wow, yeah, no, no, he needed

(59:11):
to go. IBLY kept them a lit longer than he
needed to be, to be honest with you, because I
didn't want to let them go. But but that was
I found that so fascinated and he has come in
multiple times when in medium sessions that I've had with
with friends who's like, you have a dog, I'm like, yeah,
he's here, and he always hangs all with my grandpa.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Is that right? Uh? You know, And what happens is,
you know, animals, their souls are magnificent. I think you know.
Of course, animals are underrated, and I mean, I just
they're going to be so much more respected in the future.
And they're a soul, just like you and I are
a soul, and they're a guide for us. I would say,
ask your pets, living or departed. They are a soul.

(59:48):
Ask them for help if you need it, ask them
for direction in your life, like work with them. They
are here to help.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Yeah, so can you explain to me? So let's go,
let's go into the animals for a second. What is
like when.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Are you able to speak to them while they're alive
or so you speak to them while they're alive, so
so you can have communication with them. Okay, So the
first time you talk to a dog seriously, seriously, she'll
tell me the second You're like, what's going on? Like
you had to like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I had to translate it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I'm like, okay, first of all, I'm down with talking
to grandparents and loved ones. I'll even talk to an
angel or spirit guide. But now Rover is talking to
me now? And did you question did you question it
at all? Like like you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Have to get the German shepherd?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Like am I talking to a German shepherd spirit? Really?
Like what was that process for you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I gotta tell you it's a pure energy, and it's
one of delight and one of non judgment. And I
have and so pimals that are living. How I help
people in that way is people they may have a
behavior problem, or the owner doesn't know if they should
get the animal and bring them into the other family
of animals. Or one time I had a woman work

(01:01:12):
with me. She had race horses, but they kept injuring themselves,
and so so I worked with them. Their legs would
keep getting injured, and so we had to work with
them on an emotional level, and then once she corrected them,
they started placing. We'll just call it that. So I
do actually help animals communicate, even if they know that
their loved ones are departed. For those that are still living,

(01:01:36):
the animals, the humans, and the animals with they have
a departed parent will just call her human that departed.
The animal stays to help the others heal or mend.
But it's funny, you know, because I was working with
an animal who's talking to me about a dental appointment.
He's like, you know, I got to go to the dentist.
And I tell the owner of that. She's like, oh,

(01:01:56):
I know, we haven't a point, and they look at me.
The owner looks at me like I know that. You know,
it's just your animal confirming it. It takes them a
minute to go, oh my god, you just got that
information from my animal.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
How did you know that? Oh my god, there's a
I have a cat. I have two cats, and one
of them is terrified all the time about everything. He's
a scary cat, literally the definition of a scary catt.
It took him about three years to get warm up
to me because I was the male boy. Anytime he
hears a male voice, he's like under the bed. The

(01:02:32):
other one completely off the stakes, just like he'll go
with anyone who has some food. He is like, hey,
how are you doing? Go? I was always wondering. My
wife and I always join like, what happened to this?
Because we had him since six months? So did he
get traumatized in those first because with us he came
to us. I mean when he first came to the house,
he was under the stove. Yeah, he's snuck in, and

(01:02:54):
he would like he was terrified all the time. So
I was always wondering, like, did he is this a
lot of Pat's life? Is it? Like? What is it? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I you know, I and my eyes tear. I just
want to tell you because sometimes when you're in a
high vibration like your space, you know, it does bring
it does make me kind of weak because it's so
beautiful here. So just to tell you, and so I
just want to say, look, your cat may have brought
in a past life, but honestly they are seeing spirit.

(01:03:23):
But they're not afraid of the spirit. I feel in
some way they've never been treated with the love that
you and your wife are offering them or your family.
It's almost like I'm afraid of I've never been in
this situation before, but I do feel they brought in
something from a past life. I do want to say.
Also the male energy that you're talking about, that could

(01:03:45):
be the trauma thing. As your mention, it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Took along time. He's cool with women like women like
even when women come over, he'll get scared for a minute,
but then he'll relax. But if he hears a deep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Voice, and it could be that you and this cat
had to pass life together. I don't know if you
ever feel that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
It's like sure, sure, that makes a lot of sense.
But he has. But he's he's basically one of my daughters,
this cat, Okay, Like that's his safe space. And she's
the most energetic. He's the quietest and she's the most
energetic of the house. So she's like, you know, kind
of like playfully. Yeah, out of everyone in the house,
you chose her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, he's her protector, right, so he gets to be
that masculine energy, right, So another masculine around the house
is a little bit he stay in your territory, Like
what are you doing in my space? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Interesting? So so and then how do you how do
you communicate with animals on the other side? Yeah, that cross,
like do you have a comp like is it obviously
there's a translation. They're not wolf off obviously there's a
whole other conversation going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Well, once again, they are a beautiful soul, and they'll
communicate with me through sending me images in my clairvoyance.
They'll I'll hear once again using my clear audience, or
I'll get a feeling, and I want to tell you
the owners. You know, I just have to say, sometimes
when we lose our animals, people are I mean, it's
very traumatic to lose your best.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Friends, right, sometimes worse than the human it's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Very much so. So we have to really with any
reading I do, it's with integrity and respect for any individual.
But animals are in some way a deeper connection. In
some way, they serve their purpose, I will tell you.
And it's no coincidence. However you get your animal, whether
it's through they're astray that comes in front your front door,

(01:05:41):
or it was given to you or you however it
comes to you a shelter, they're supposed to be in
your life. They have picked you. Usually people have had
past lives with their animals in other ways. I know
that one of my animals, I was a war veteran
and this animal was kind of in war with me.
Because animals used to go to war, right, horses and dogs. Yeah, So,

(01:06:03):
so how we communicate with animals who have passed is
you really have to step into their energy. You have
to be very surrendering, right, you have to really surrender
your energy, really offer them, invite them in or invite
them to connect with you. And then you just start
off a little bit out of time and then sometimes
their personality will grow. But it is kind of a

(01:06:26):
telepathic I'll say, a telepathy way of connecting with them.
And once again, they know their they know they're humans
better than the humans know know themselves. They know people
better than we we give them credit for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
That's that's pretty remarkable. Now, when you're doing this kind
of work, show, how do you protect your own energy?
Because this is everything we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
There's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
There's a lot coming in, Yeah, a lot coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
As my daughter's like, there's a lot here day, you're
a lot. So how do you protect your own energy
from spirits, from all this kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
And one thing I teach people is also how to
how to show people how to strengthen their energy. So
when you talk about protecting myself, I feel that, look
if I if I stay healthy and energetically fit or
strong in my orc field, or if I practice, you know,

(01:07:29):
being a good person in the world. If I you know,
try to have a good outlook on life, if I
try to eat well and live that balance life that
I pretty much am. And if I meditate, I'm pretty
much holding a higher vibration. So I'm really as far
as protection goes, I mean, naturally, I just pray every day,
you know. It's these things are natural for me. So

(01:07:51):
when I step into a reading, I'm always asking for
the highest good to come for someone. I guess that's
my form of connecting before I in my work is
I say, look, let me just be of service. Let
me bring through the highest good for someone, for the
highest good for what on their next step and their
spiritual journey. And then for me personally, I have to

(01:08:12):
make sure after I finish working with someone that I
take the time to show appreciation and gratitude for spirit
but also for my physical body, my mental body, Like
I have to really wet rest, you know, drink the
water enough water, eat properly, really just kind of come down.
We'll call it that. But it is about being gentle
with yourself not judging anything, right, because when people start judging,

(01:08:36):
they're kind of lowering the vibration. We'll just say that.
But yeah, So for protection, it's about holding enough light
through prayer, meditation, you know, looking for the light in others.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Perhaps I wanted to ask you going back to the animals,
do they evolve?

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
My God, they evolve, and that we're so lucky that
they help us.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
They but is that like kind of a like in
other words, humans are here, animals are at a different wave,
like not lower, higher, just different. Do they evolve to
another higher level or do they just like that's the
lane I picked, kind of like angels. Angels picked being
an angel, and they're not general going up and down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
You know, animals evolve and they reincarnate and come back
and see us again in another lifetime or is it
another animals? So absolutely there's still lessons to learn or
there's still things to do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But do they evolve past the animal?

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I do believe. I believe they're still evolving to higher planes.
I know they're filled with unconditional love, that's what they're
But I still feel like they're I still feel like
they're reaching, they're reaching on ways to love more we
could call it that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, because they're pure love. Anyone who's ever owned an
animal or not own but had an animal in their life,
they understand it's just pure love. Curiously, though, there are
animals who are not pure love out there, just throwing
that out there now, it could Now when it comes
to domesticated animals, is you know if that could be
trauma or could be other things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Right, but a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Tiger or a bear or a polar bear not so cuddally.
But that's just a natural instinct. So what's their energy like?
Have you talked to a polar pin?

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I'm sure you're making me wonder. I think i've I
don't know if I have. I think horses may be
horses and rabbits I think maybe more domesticated.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Yeah, they're more closer to humans.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So the wilder, the wilder the animals to a zoo
and see you should I don't know about zoos. I
don't know. I don't know if I can, but I
do want to say, look, animals are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
They're very accepting of us. I think it's us who
kind of get into their territory, you know enough, I
mean the lovely Jane goodall right, So we have to
honor her absolutely. So in that way, she invited them to,
you know, go at their own pace, and in that
way they were, you know, the strength of a mountain

(01:11:14):
in the most gentle touch with her as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, that's true. I mean the gorilla's you know they
in the monkey is Monkey's right, gorilla?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah, yeah, gorilla's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Gorillas, monkeys, gorillas. Yeah, they they were gentle with her,
but her energy was I mean, if you ever hear
her speak, you're just like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Isn't she lovely?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Of course, she's like a warm apple.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
So it's it's our vibration that we have to tune
in to match theirs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Right, Oh, I saw I heard this story. It was
great story. Josh Brolin, the actor joshin she was he
was this is when he was a kid, or not
actually when he was a little older. But his mom
worked with animals and they had a wild in a zoo.
They had this gorilla that would not he was like

(01:12:00):
he'd heard he'd heard a zookeeper already, and they didn't
know what to do, Like they didn't have a track
with them. So they were really freaking out and they
called his mom and the mom comes. She said, apparently
she works with animals, right, and she shows up and
she's like open the gate, like, man, man, we can't
open the gate. Walked in like that and they like,

(01:12:23):
he's already hurt too, zookeeper, opened the gate. Now, they
opened the gate. She walked in, it's a silver back
starts doing like his thing to show his power, and
she yelled at him like a child really, and he's like,
you stop it right now and get and Josh was like,
I know that tone. If I were him, I'd calmed

(01:12:45):
the hell down before something goes off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Oh my god, that gorilla relaxed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
And he walked right into his enclosure. And she went
in and closed the door Bytom and everybody was just
sitting there like animals. No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I mean, you think the animal could have gone the
other way, could have gotten angry at her.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
With one, yeah, one little swing of that silver back
and she's done like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
That crocodile Dundee thing where he does it with the dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
The crocodile.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Yeah, yeah, right, it's so true. It's the you have
to tune into them. You have to tune into them,
and because she hangs out with animals, especially wild animals,
and probably you know, rescuing animals. Uh uh, you know,
you got to be on their their turf. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Now, when you're doing a lot of these healings or
psychic work, do you ever take on the pain?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
You know, like the pain, not just the story like, oh,
your grandma died in abhorrible lot, not that actual.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yes, fortunately not. I have taken on enough to know.
So spirit gives it to me with my permission, you know.
I mean we if it's ever too much, I will
say so thing. But they give the information if the
person passes from the heart. For example, I feel that
I feel the information in the heart. We'll call it
that it does feel pain or discomfort, and then more

(01:14:11):
and then I go deeper with that and I realized
it was what condition it was around the heart that
they passed. And then as soon as I mention it
to my client and get the confirmation, it's being released.
It's like you have the information or the pain long
enough to notice it to deliver it, and then it
is released. But to leave a session with a client

(01:14:32):
and take that pain home with me, For example, I
have not. And that is absolutely part of practicing, you know,
the ethics of what we do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yeah, right, I always tell you, just because they have a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Gift, yeah yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
In any like, in any any field, just because they're
good at something or have a gift in something doesn't
mean they're good people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I know, I know a really and they put and
they I know my a friend of mine, right, she
got a reading from someone in it's small town. And
you know a lot of people get steered the wrong
way for the money. Right, if you give me X
amount of dollars, I'll get rid of something for you.
What have you. There's a curse which I can't address.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
I was going to ask about not only curses, but
dark energy and psychic attacks and these kind of things.
I was raised. I'm Cuban, so I was raised in
that world in the site like my family. The Cuban
culture is very Afro Afrocuban, so a lot of not voodoo,

(01:15:37):
but there is something called Santa which is like black magic,
dark magic, white magic. So like I have a cousin
who's where's white all the time. Okay, he's a white
priest and he thinks care of the white I'm not
sure if he's still doing it, but he did it
for a while to protect against curses. And they call
it like anytime you're like you're going through stuff, you say, oh,

(01:15:57):
I need a limp? Do they say on links, which
means I need a cleaning. I got all this stuff,
there's stuff on it. You need someone to clean that
off you? Is that? Like, what's your take on all
of that because a lot of people Hollywood's obviously built
that whole thing up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, well so look, clearing your own energy.
So as a medium, I do clear my energy field
before I work with someone, Right, Do I believe people
can get psychic attacks and the karma and the karma
or the dark light or whatever that is. I really

(01:16:36):
believe that it's like you said, it's maybe more a
Hollywood or naysay, it's more of an older energy. I
do believe a lot of people right now are of
a higher consciousness. Just in general. I don't believe that
energy is Once again, it's the fear that attracts people. Right,
They're like, oh my god, she's sending me I'm getting
psychically attacked. It's like, no, you just need to know

(01:16:58):
that you are a powerful and that you are made
of the light and that that won't even affect you
or get near you. And because it's something in the
conscious brain, I think that it's more entertaining to get
a psychic attack.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
In some way makes you feel important.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, and it makes you feel like it's not you,
And then you can give your power away, you know,
because it's then you know like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Someone else is doing this, someone else. Yes, yes, I need,
I need, I need to go to you to get
this personal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Right and then someone may take advantage of of that.
So so but what we do is we have to
show people their own light. We have to say, look,
you have the power. You can manifest what you think
feel and that can change, you know, that can change. Look,
if you think unkindly of someone, or if you don't,

(01:17:46):
if you wish people ill, will I mean, you're just
attracting that yourself. So wouldn't you want to wish good people? Well,
wouldn't you want to be wanting to attract loving, giving
people in your life? Then you must also be that example.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Would it be kind of the equivalent of like a
walking master who's on earth? Now, like let's say a
yogi of an advanced soul an, advanced Yogi or you know,
just yoga Nanda still walking around right now. Absolutely, let's
say Yogananda's alive right now, there's no one who's going
to be able to curse Yogananda or Jesus. They're not

(01:18:24):
gonna be able to throw dark energy their way because
there's so much light that they just that's not even
a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
It's not even in their orbit, it's not in their
right if they.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
And if they believe, let's say, let's say I'm walking
around the street and I believe that I can get
cursed or dark energy or anything like that, well, you're
kind of doing it to yourself. You go looking for it,
you go looking for it, and you're kind of doing yourself.
But they have people have to understand that they have
the power themselves to repel all of that. It's similar
to and now this is what I love what I
do because I kind of see I connect the lines

(01:18:55):
between all these different kind of guests. When near death
experiencers who have had darker experiences, which is rare in
your death experiences, but darker experiences from their own point
of view, they're like, oh, I needed to go through
that because that's what I believed when I died. I
was Catholic and I wasn't. I didn't feel good enough
about myself, so I had to go through a hellish experience.
But the moment in that hellish experience, they go, I

(01:19:20):
need help, Can someone help me? Yeah? That all they
have to do is say that, and then a light
shows and everything scatters. Jesus or an angel or Grandma
or someone with light comes in and it just takes
them out. Would you agree? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Because we are so we go looking for the dark
because we're interesting. It's entertaining, you know, it's entertaining for
some people. They like the drama of it, not knowing
that they're their own creator, right, we're co creators of
the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
So but once they learned that, hey, I can attract
better things, or maybe I don't want to attract problems
my whole life, you know, or things that weigh me down,
and I'm understand that I am my own power, that
I understand that I am the im presence, you know,
then we can really set forth to you know, looking
for things that are really all about love, because it

(01:20:11):
is all about the vibration of love and attracting that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
And now back to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
When people pass is there something that you've in your
experience of doing I'm sure a few sessions over the years.
What is the main thing that the main message that
people who've passed on one say to the love once
you're left behind? Is it love? Is it I'm sorry?
Is that I didn't know? What is the main message

(01:20:49):
that you feel that that comes in again and again again?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
You know, the main message is that I'm here, I
still love you. You know, I'm supporting you, I'm watching I'm here.
I made it. You know, because a lot of loved ones,
people want to know, did they go to heaven? Are
they okay? On the other side, do they know I'm
still thinking about them? And yes, it's a resounding yes.

(01:21:12):
Every time loved ones do come in to apologize, but
more so they're coming in to love you and to
support you. Especially the ones that you want to hear from.
They're the ones saying, look, I saw you know that
you made the sandwich last week, or I'm watching you
even the little mundane moments of your day, I know
you're doing that. I see you, and I'm definitely there

(01:21:34):
for all those big events in your life, like I
haven't missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
And did you ever hear just so people understand, did
you ever hear someone from the other side going, oh,
I hate it, or then I hate it now I
couldn't stand her, then I can't stand her. Now do
you get crotchety souls that come through? Have you ever
had crotchety souls?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Well, but they've learned. Well, I'll tell you what I
have to share that I had a person come by,
because there are people we have to understand. These are people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
A person came by, you mean the spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
A spirit communicator I call the spirit came through with
me and a reading the other day and he told
me and he was kind of the crotchety guy and
he's like, I don't believe in any of this stuff,
Like I don't believe in this. I'm over here. I've
always lived by myself. I didn't want to have anything.
I didn't want anything to didn't want to have anything
to do with anyone, right, but I'm bringing through his niece.

(01:22:29):
His niece is the one I'm working with. She is
the client at the moment, and he comes through to
tell her, look, this is real. I made it look
and he's still maybe a little crotchety, but that's his personality,
just to show her that it's him, because she wouldn't
have believed it. If I would have said, oh, he's
all yeah, she would have, but I said, no, he's

(01:22:51):
kind of crotchety and he has a lot of facial hair,
and and he tells me he doesn't want to deal
with anyone, and that's him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
That's him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
So do they learn? They learn patience, they learn awareness,
They learn that they have a choice. They learn that
they can stay whatever they'd like to do in that
world or whatever they like to do in the afterlife,
or whenever they're ready, they can venture out or learn
other lessons or go exploring or be curious, and that's

(01:23:22):
when that's when we evolve. But they're doing fine just
where they are, And yeah, they have that personality.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Though, do you find that we as humans are constantly
throwing human peoplely stuff on the spirit world? Meaning like, okay,
uncle Bob past I wonder what his apartment is On
the other side is does he have a job. I
don't want to bother him because he's in his new life.
Do you find that because that's we have to wrap

(01:23:48):
our head around. Our brain is trying to understand it,
and the other side is such so infinite, and these
ideas of all lives are happening at the same time,
and all these very non live near nonspace and time world,
the three dimensional world, right, and we're throwing three dimensional
world on something that's not three dimensional. Do you find

(01:24:09):
that happens a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Well, a lot of people who have passed, for example,
you know, still live in the same house like they
It is through consciousness that they're existing. But if you
have a married couple and they loved their life and
they woke up every morning having coffee and reading the
newspaper together more enough, more times than enough, I'll bring

(01:24:31):
that information through that. That's what they're still doing. On
the other side, they're still living together, sharing the coffee
in the morning, reading the paper. But there are those
other souls that are learning. They're helping us here on earth.
You know, they're helping us. They're helping children, they're helping
people cross over sometimes people who pass from suicide. They
help people who have crossed over once again how to

(01:24:56):
kind of adjust or how to maybe even help in
some way, I connect with him while they're still living,
to help them maybe support them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So let me ask you this. Now we're gonna go
into deep waters again. As it's fine, these are deeper waters.
So if the soul is on the other side, and
you just said, like, hey, they still read the paper
and they still all that stuff, right, And I've heard
stories of like, yeah, he's on the golf course, I
mean like that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's it seems
almost it seems very interesting because it's that's not them obviously,

(01:25:27):
that's a part of their soul. There's an over soul
and there's multiple live you know things, but there's that
version of him, that kind of sharred spark, that is
the golfer who loves golf, you know, or you know,
I'm sure Alfred Hitchcock is on a movie set ups
there up there, right, or Stanley Coobrick is on a
movie is that right there shooting stuff? But that's it's

(01:25:48):
hard for me to wrap my head around. Is it
kind of like what dreams may come exactly where you
can create the universe of the world that you want,
but it's only an aspect of the true Oversaul. Yes,
we're getting into deeper water.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Is this yay? Yeah, Well, I'll just say that, so
when we cross over, we're not in a perfect situation.
Like when we cross over, yes, there is a we're
in a higher consciousness. But if we had problems here
on earth, they're not all solved at one in one breath. Okay,
we're still working on those lessons. Like if you don't
if you don't get it all down here, it's going
to continue, right. Life is eternal. Our lessons move with us.

(01:26:24):
So yes we are. I'll just say we're enjoying the
things we want to enjoy more when we're in spirit.
Like if you liked eating a pizza, you can still
eat a pizza in the spirit world. You have the
experience of eating the pizza, and it could be the
memory or the texture that you're experiencing that. So perhaps
the person playing golf, maybe they're not physically on the

(01:26:47):
golf course, oh yeah, obviously, but they can create the
experience of loving the game. And that's why if you
didn't get along with someone that you loved, like if
you didn't get along with a relative or anyone here
on earth, somehow in spirit with your still living and
your departed loved ones over there. You can still heal

(01:27:07):
a relationship, you can still mend. You can even get
to know them better because they're they're now in a
in a consciousness perhaps that you can maybe be more
open to connecting with. It's very healing, connecting and working,
working as a medium. It's not just delivering information or connecting.

(01:27:28):
It's healing. It's helping you understand that there's a there's
a bridge, there's a once again a connection with you
and the spirit world. It's very healing. Doing readings as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Have you and all of your years heard of a
soul that was in hell?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Yeah? Right? Good here, that's about right right? Uh so
I haven't heard of a hell. Good, but I have
heard of different levels right, holding level, yeah, different vibrations
right so yeah, maybe not so much of a hell

(01:28:09):
with the fire in the brimstone. But everyone is where
they where they should be, or where they need to
be in order for them to grow, you know. Yeah,
all a different planes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I'm assuming an ascended Master is on a different plane
than Hitler.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Generally speaking, I would say so, and I could say
they overlap, or they criss cross, or they go in
and out, So it's not just one plane and that
sit forever. I think you overlap. You have opportunities to
move up. For example, you have choices that you get
to make. You can come back and or you can
reincarnate if you would wish, Or you can go on

(01:28:45):
somewhere else and other galaxies as they say, to evolve
or other dimensions to maybe learn if that's what you
would like to do. But yeah, hell, I haven't met
anyone yet, but I have heard of people at lower vibrations.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Well i've heard. I'm sure someone's yelling at the screen
right now, like, well, why would you hear from someone
in Hell? They're in hell. You can't talk to them.
They're being punished. I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't. Yeah,
Hell is not so when you pass away like Hitler,
if we could just go there for a moment, it's
not a punishment. It's it's almost a resonance. You know,
it's something that resonates with what your soul needs at
that time, and it's not something that you know anyone

(01:29:32):
else would be on, for example, because of all the
things that happened. But it would be a place of
learning and growing. I mean, the opportunities of learning and
growing are there?

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Have you heard on the other side of a I've
heard this from near death experiences. I've heard it also
from psychic mediums. I wanted to hear from you. Is
there like on the other side? Is there like these
kind of set I hate to use the word center,
but if someone goes out of this life with a
lot of tru there's a place for them to kind

(01:30:02):
of decompressions chamber, if you will, that they can go
in and kind of like it's okay because it's almost
like PTSD right kind of thing, like if it was
tragic or you had a lot of trauma, or you
had a lot of abuse or something like that, that
you would have to go in there to kind of
because you're coming in with that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah, or a major, A major, A quick an abrupt
passing that was a tragic, Yeah, anything like that. So honestly,
I think there is a place. I don't know if
it's how I would describe it. I feel like, but
it's very close, like when I feel someone passes from
a traumatic occurrence. I do feel there is help on

(01:30:52):
the other side for them, specifically for that meaning help
them rest, we'll call it, or as you mentioned, like
recuperate or or a place to go for healing first
before it said that the pop before, the before the
life review or whatever that may happen next. But I

(01:31:14):
do believe it happens. I mean, I think in some
way you and I we think of it being a
physical place, but I do feel it's more of an
awareness happening. As you mentioned, they're asking for help and
or there other could be other people on the other
side helping to support that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Interesting, Yeah, interesting have you? I always I say, Jesus
is the hardest working man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I knew you were going to go there next.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
I always say he's when you're psychic, you should I
don't know why. He just popped into my head, and
it's like, but Jesus, I always hear Jesus the hardest
working man in show business. Yeah, and that's from the
Western standpoint, because I'm assuming that the Asian standpoint, Boodh
is the hardest working man in show business. Agree are
arguably you know, and in the Muslim world, Muhammed is.

(01:32:02):
So I imagine that they show up where they need to
show up. In India, it's Krishna, you know, kind of
thing though occasionally, you know, you see an Indian, an
Indian person has Jesus show up and Krishna shows up
for a westerner. What is your experience with those masters?
Those I'm so glad those these masters that you know,

(01:32:24):
do they come in, do they talk? It's like if
I'm having a session with you and Grandma and Grandpa
there and we're talking about Grandma, like where is the
key to the vault? I need to get like that
kind of conversation, and then all of a sudden, Yes,
what shows up? Lisa shows up? Right, whatever you like
to call him, he shows up. He's like, I got
you know, has it happened?

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Absolutely? Like we felt Yoga Nanda earlier. I do feel
Jesus's guides for people a lot, or even the Buddha
is guides a lot of people. It's got my guide.
I had an experience, if I may, with Jesus. So
I was meditating and Jesus came to me three days
in a row. Interesting and the first day he said

(01:33:06):
surrender right, and he only give like one word answers right,
but it means so much.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
And he's very busy, he's jumping consultant all up. He
doesn't have time to chit chat.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Well. Once again, it's like it's like I could see
right into his eyes and he saw right through me
in this meditation. I mean, I gotta tell you, it's
incredible when people tell me they've had a Jesus moment.
It's like, I understand what you mean, though, oh I do,
I get it. He came to me the second day
and said, forgive, you know, like practice forgiveness, and that
you know you just the water works happened.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Just basic, basic, simple, basic card truths.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Which I tell everyone will deepen your intuition, Like I mean,
forgiveness has to be the number one key to open
your intuition. And then the example he gave me for
forgiveness was like a labyrinth. So I was shown to
walk this labyrinth in my mind's eye, and you practice
for giveness. So on the outer rims of the circle,

(01:34:02):
you're practicing forgiveness for the little things in life, the
small stuff, And as you move closer to the center
of the labyrinth, the bigger things come up. That we
need to forgive. And then finally, when you reach the center,
you understand that you're forgiving yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
So that was a very powerful experience. And then the
third day, Jesus came to me and said, you've told
me how much you love me, let me show you
how much I love you. Once again, the water works happened.
I was taken up to a level or a plane.
Thank you of instant manifestation. You know, whatever I thought

(01:34:38):
was would happen at that moment, and I spent the
entire day or however many days with things would happen
as soon as you think it, whether the phone not
just the phone ringing, but having certain experiences happened that
I wanted to, whether it was a healing, whether it
was maybe healing a relationship with someone that would happen.

(01:35:00):
Maybe it was manifesting something that happened as well. So
once again I think we do reach levels of it
being more. I guess people are more open to it,
you know, open when you raise those levels. So then
for me as a medium, I am also welcoming your
guides and angels. I'm sure you are connected to the Buddha,
you know, and to Krishna and to Jesus. I feel

(01:35:23):
like in some way you've walked with Jesus and you've
had dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Talking about me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, you've all dreams walking with Jesus before. But anyway,
as a medium, they do come through in readings and
people can identify them. Also, Mother Mary comes through.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Or Magdalene, Mother Mary kwan yin all lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
So when it is that divinity that is really able
to reach people because they're open to it, and that's
the consciousness that we're.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Opening up to, that's what all of us are starting
to open up to, all of us mostly. So is
that why we're starting to like the concept of ascended masters,
which is a philosophy idea that I think in the
early late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, that concept that
the ascended master was first introduced and it's been kind
of people are running wild with it now, this ascended

(01:36:11):
master's thing and these ideas, Like now people are talking
about Mother Mary not only as the mother of Jesus,
but like in her own right a master Mary Magdalene
in her own right a master. The feminine energy is
coming out so fine. Female, the divine female energy is
starting to rise in a much deeper way than before.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
It's the age of the times, right, removing, as they say,
from one age into another age. And the divine feminine,
which is very creative, very creative, very powerful, very compassionate,
is opening up. And that may be why more men
are intuitive also, you know, because a lot of times
back in the day will say, you know, it was

(01:36:57):
more women were psychic, or now much more men, even
men and families like I mentioned my brothers very intuitive
in my household. You're very intuitive and pathic for just
being in this work anyone being called. But the divine
feminine is the creator, right, we're creating, right, We're not
so much driving the boat like the masculine energy was

(01:37:21):
that's leaving our planet. The divine feminine is listening more, right,
We're understanding more. We're we're willing to work together. How's that?
You know? We're willing to collaborate.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
It seems like the masculine energy might have been needed
at a certain time in humanity to drive to get
things going, to get things going, because that's the energy
of the masculine. But the divine, now, the vine feminine
is kind of okay. We're good now, yep. We're off
and running.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Now you can take a rest, take a rest, and
now we can let's take the.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Lead a little bit and we'll work together. But it's
but it's because before it was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
All masculine, much so much more masculine.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I mean all I mean, I mean the colisseum Let's.
It's just all masculine all the time. And you could
have seen within the last in my lifetime. I mean,
it wasn't it like in the forties or the fifties,
women couldn't even have a credit card without our husband,
I know, I mean it was my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
My mother couldn't have a credit card. She was once
she finally was able to. But yeah, back in the day,
the mortgage on a house, like women couldn't buy a
home without a big co signer, just like a credit
card you mentioned, without the father, the father or.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
The husband, right, it was. It's but see, so much
has changed. And for me, I've always been around women
all my life. So I've raised by women grandmother, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
So you know, the strength and the like they had to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Latina and Latina women no nontheless. So it's like all
the level of spice I've been around. So I've been
around women most of my life. I always joked that
like I have no testosterone in my even my cat's
balls are cut off. So and on that. No, Cheryl,
that's a good place to finish this conference, Cheryl. Where

(01:39:10):
can people find out more about it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
So, so my website is Mediumsheryl dot com. I'm always
on social media at medium, Cheryl h I love everything
that I'm doing with my healing prayer circle, my energy
transformation sessions, my private readings, but really my website, they
can find out all my events happening.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
If the spirit will give humanity one message right now,
will it be what do we need to hear right now?

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah? I would say like open the divine with n
you know, is to kind of understand that we all
have that spark or that divine within us, and if
we can find that, we can really answer a lot
of our own questions or we can solve maybe a
lot of our own problems.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
Cheryl has been such a pleasure talking to you. Thank you.
It was so beautiful talking to you. I love your energy,
I love what you're doing in the world, and I
appreciate you and everything you do in Awakenness Planet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Thank you so much, and thank you for being so
gracious and opening up this amazing venue in the studio.
I mean, you really are doing the work of Yogananda
of the Light. I love that which is and allowing
this platform to happen because it's really raising that vibration
which is really bringing healing to a lot of people.

(01:40:29):
So thank you, I appreciate you, and thank you again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
I'm mistay, thank you for spending this sacred time with
us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,
you'll find the show notes for this episode at Next
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