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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Deep Dive. This week, we are
stepping right into one of the biggest paradoxes in the
entire NFL, the Cincinnati Bengals. You shared sources with us
that paint well a very stark picture of an organization
that really risks squandering the prime years of Joe Burrow,
maybe the most important quarterback in their franchise history.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is. It's a true case study in like organizational physics. Yeah,
when you sign a Hall of Fame caliber talent like Burrow,
the whole gravitational pull of expectation, it just shifts immediately,
the floor becomes perennial contender. Yet our sources, they reveal
that even with Burrow healthy playing at an MVP level,
the Bengals have missed the playoffs and there's real palpable
(00:43):
concern inside the building.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Absolutely, and the stakes here are national. This is not
just a tough season for a team, it's you know,
it's an existential crisis for the franchise because they have
the one thing everyone else is scrambling for. So our
job today is to cut through the noise and figure
out what are the three biggest level bridge points the
Bengals have right now to keep Burrow happy and competing
for titles, and maybe more importantly, what is stopping them
(01:07):
from pulling those levers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We really need to figure out how they can change
their organizational fortunes while they still have Burrow in his
absolute you know, his peak. The sources indicate the problem
is layered. You've got tactical failures, you've got defensive instability,
and a critical lack of organizational investment.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, let's unpack this. We need to start with the
on field tactical breakdown, the thing that signaled the staff
might have well lost faith, because it perfectly illustrates the
frustration that led to this whole deep dive. I'm talking
about the curious case of the clock killing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Drive that week fifteen game against the Ravens. Is it's
the perfect encapsulation of a team that had given up.
The facts are brutal. The Bengals were four to nine,
still technically alive arasmatically yeah, but trailing the Ravens twenty
four to zero. Late in the fourth quarter after a
pick six, there were still seven minutes of fifty five
seconds left on the clock.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Seven minutes and fifty five seconds with Joe Burrow on
your team, that is enough time for two scores and
an on side kick. If you hurry, you run a
two minute drill, you throw caution to the wind.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But head coach Zach Taylor did the exact opposite of
what logic and your franchise QB would dictate.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He essentially waved the white flag. And the decision was
just staggering because it felt less like game management and
more like organizational surrender.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
On the ensuing drive, the Bengals ran the ball eight
out of ten times. They used samaj Parene and Chase
Brown to actively let the clock run down before snapping,
draining over five minutes five and a.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Half minutes burned. It ends on a fourth and one stop,
and the source material suggests this wasn't just a tactical loss.
It was a specific public moment where Burrow's trust in
Taylor's urgency might have just fractured. Who was the staff
signaling they were playing not to lose by fifty instead
of trying to win the.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Game, and that perceived surrender connects directly to the off
field concerns we all saw Burrow's later it's about not
having fun playing football and naturally, if you're a Bengals fan,
the decades of trauma from the Carson Palmer injury, the holdout,
the trade to Oakland, it all comes flooding back.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Of course, they're terrified of losing another generational.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Talent, understandably so with that history, But the sources they
offer a really crucial clarification here. Both Burrow and his
teammates insisted those comments were purely about the simple fact
of losing, okay, not about playing in Cincinnati itself. So
that should ease some of the fan anxiety about him
demanding a trade, but it doesn't solve the core problem.
(03:36):
If he's only unhappy when he loses, well, the organization
has to stop losing.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And when you look at Taylor's records since those deep
playoff runs, that's where the numbers get pretty damning. Since
the twenty twenty one Super Bowl run, Taylor's seventeen fifteen
with Burrow on the field, that's just not a record
that screams contender.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And this leads to our first major takeaway, sort of
the blinkest moment of this whole section. Burrough's talent floor
is higher than Zach Taylor's organizational ceiling.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Say it again.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Burrow by himself will inherently give you ten wins just
based on his play, his ability to raise the offense.
But the source material suggests the organizational structure the decision
making it guarantees they lose the next seven games.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So we're back to the support structure being the weakness.
The offense is world class, but the structure around it
is collapsing the team. What part of that structure is
failing the fastest.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That points us squarely and I mean unanimously, to the defense.
You simply cannot win consistently in the AFC North, which
is a physical, run heavy division with a defense that
underperforms like that, not even with Joe Burrow carrying the
whole load.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And the sources provide some specific, pretty alarming details about
the systemic failure of this unit.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, we have three key points of failure. Number one
and this is maybe the most inexcusable. The Bengals have
the league's worst tackling defense. Tackling is fundamental, It speaks
to basic coaching, to.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Discipline is basics.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, Number two, they routinely blow coverage assignments in critical situations.
That suggests a deep lack of preparation or communication. And finally,
number three, the pass rush is dangerously reliant on one guy,
Trey Hendrickson, who missed most of the season. When he's out,
the rush just it evaporates.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
They tried to solve this though they had a coaching shuffle.
They fired d c lu and Arumo and hired Al
Golden last offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Correct but the results in twenty twenty five haven't been
substantially different. The defensive identity hasn't shifted. The fundamentals, the tackling,
the coverage are still the reasons they lose close games.
The organization spent resources on a new coordinator, but the
lack of foundational talent and discipline it just persists.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, so this brings us to the most debated solution
in the source material. The proposed strategic change is firing
Tailor and hiring a defensive guru, someone to capitalize on
Burrow's window.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That shift in hiring strategy would be the biggest structural
step they could take right now. The thinking is that
Burrow's offense is self sustaining. It's capable of carrying the
team if the defense is simply mediocre.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wait a minute, though, you're suggesting the solution for a
team with maybe the best QB in the league is
to hire a defensive specialist. Isn't that just ignoring the
key asset you already have and introducing chaos to the
one functional unit that feels like a massive risk to
the offense, the one thing that is guaranteed to be elite.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's a crucial point, and the sources do address it
head on. They argue the risk is minimal because Burrow
is the system. He, alongside a competent offensive coordinator, ensures
that continuity. So the upside of a defensive higher far
outweighs that risk. We can even quantify it. If they
turn the defense into just a league average unit, the
(06:43):
Bengals become a perennial playoff team immediately. If they can
mold it into a top ten defense, which a true
guru could do well. They're competing for super Bowls every
single season.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
That's the difference between a ten win team and a
fourteen win team. It makes perfect sense why this job
is still appealing to any available coach. Really, the hardest
part of the job finding that Hall of Fame caliber
quarterback in his prime. It's already solved exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The sources specifically mentioned Chargers DC Jesse Minter and Packers
DC Jeff Haffley as candidates who fit this profile. They
are defensive minds ready to make the jump, and they
only need to focus on fixing one side of the ball.
The appeal is massive. But before any coach signs on
that dotted line, we have to talk about the things
that haven't changed, the old caveats about the organization itself.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
The organizational hurdles, the ones that could completely sink any
coaching hire, no matter how talented that person is. So
we're pivoting now from the field to the front office.
We can talk defensive strategy all day long, but if
the ownership isn't investing in the support staff and players,
the whole structure remains fragile.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We have to clarify the core financial issue right now.
Here is the financial fact that underpins this entire discussion.
Cincinnati ranks thirtieth in cash spending over the past five years.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Thirtieth. That's shocking for a team that has been to
a Super Bowl recently and is built around an MVP quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And this is where we need to make a technical
distinction clear for you the listener. We are not talking
about the salary cap. The salary cap is future focused,
it's relatively flexible. We are talking about cash spending.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The actual money going out the door.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
The immediate actual money ownership puts into infrastructure. Yes, signing bonuses,
guaranteed deals, staff salaries. It's the measure of the organizational
appetite for success right now, and the Bengals are choosing
to be cheap right now.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And that low cash spending has tangible negative results, doesn't it.
It's not just some abstract number on a spreadsheet.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It absolutely manifests on the field, particularly on defense. The
sources point directly to essential defensive players who are lost
because of this type fist. They lost Jesse Bates, the
third who was integral to their secondary to free agency
and have never recovered. And on top of that, they
are highly likely to lose key pass rusher Trey Hendrickson
this offseason after what's been called a bitter contract dispute.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These are direct, visible consequences of operating as a budget
team while having a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And it's not just about player salary, right it's the
very infrastructure supporting the coaches and players. The sources highlight
that the Bengals have the smallest scouting staff in the
entire league, which reportedly has irked Barrow.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, and when we say smallest scouting staff, what the
sources are implying is fewer scouts finding depth, fewer analysts
for advanced game planning, fewer resources for whatever coach you hire.
It's a structural handicap that no head coach, offensive or defensive,
can easily overcome. You just can't develop depth or fine
quality free agents with a skeletal staff.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So if we connect this to the bigger picture, these
organizational limitations, they present a major challenge to any potential
new coach. Doesn't matter if there are a defensive expert
like mentor or an offensive play caller.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Precisely, this means the Bengals aren't just looking for a
new coach, they need an organizational agitator. A new coach
would have to use their leverage during the hiring process
to persuade ownership to actually invest in infrastructure. And this
isn't just about demanding a better defensive budget. It's about
demanding a bigger scouting staff, the financial commitment to lock
(10:13):
down essential defensive players.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So okay, let's synthesize the ultimate conflict here. Despite having
burrowed the generational hardest to find talent in the sport,
the organization must now find someone who can fix the
defense and force the necessary organizational investment to maximize their
title window. That is a truly massive ask for any
coach walking through that door.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It proves that the organizational rot is deep. It starts
with Taylor's tactical errors on the field, it transitions into
defensive fundamentals, but it ultimately rests on ownership's commitment to
winning at the highest level, a commitment that their own
cash spending figures explicitly deny.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So what does this all mean. It means the Bengals
have fixed the most difficult problem in all of football,
finding the quarterback, but they may lose him, or at
least lose his primeiers if they cannot fix the structural
support him. The resources are there. They have the fourth
most cap space and the tenth most draft capital in
twenty twenty six. They have future flexibility, but the current
(11:09):
operational commitment is just low.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The crucial question isn't whether they can find a defensive
guru like Jesse minter or Jeff Hafley, who can draw
up an elite scheme. The real question is whether ownership
is willing to stop being thirtieth in cash spending and
instead invest in the kind of infrastructure and MVP caliber
quarterback expects to see during his prime. The source states
the organization needs to find someone who can get Burrow
(11:33):
to believe again. But maybe maybe the real task is
proving to Burrow that the organization believes in winning enough
to spend like a contender rather than acting like a
team that's perpetually trying to save money. That's the fundamental
disconnect they have to resolve or they will suffer the
consequences
Welcome back to the Deep Dive. This week, we are
stepping right into one of the biggest paradoxes in the
entire NFL, the Cincinnati Bengals. You shared sources with us
that paint well a very stark picture of an organization
that really risks squandering the prime years of Joe Burrow,
maybe the most important quarterback in their franchise history.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It is. It's a true case study in like organizational physics. Yeah,
when you sign a Hall of Fame caliber talent like Burrow,
the whole gravitational pull of expectation, it just shifts immediately,
the floor becomes perennial contender. Yet our sources, they reveal
that even with Burrow healthy playing at an MVP level,
the Bengals have missed the playoffs and there's real palpable
(00:43):
concern inside the building.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Absolutely, and the stakes here are national. This is not
just a tough season for a team, it's you know,
it's an existential crisis for the franchise because they have
the one thing everyone else is scrambling for. So our
job today is to cut through the noise and figure
out what are the three biggest level bridge points the
Bengals have right now to keep Burrow happy and competing
for titles, and maybe more importantly, what is stopping them
(01:07):
from pulling those levers.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We really need to figure out how they can change
their organizational fortunes while they still have Burrow in his
absolute you know, his peak. The sources indicate the problem
is layered. You've got tactical failures, you've got defensive instability,
and a critical lack of organizational investment.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, let's unpack this. We need to start with the
on field tactical breakdown, the thing that signaled the staff
might have well lost faith, because it perfectly illustrates the
frustration that led to this whole deep dive. I'm talking
about the curious case of the clock killing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Drive that week fifteen game against the Ravens. Is it's
the perfect encapsulation of a team that had given up.
The facts are brutal. The Bengals were four to nine,
still technically alive arasmatically yeah, but trailing the Ravens twenty
four to zero. Late in the fourth quarter after a
pick six, there were still seven minutes of fifty five
seconds left on the clock.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Seven minutes and fifty five seconds with Joe Burrow on
your team, that is enough time for two scores and
an on side kick. If you hurry, you run a
two minute drill, you throw caution to the wind.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But head coach Zach Taylor did the exact opposite of
what logic and your franchise QB would dictate.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
He essentially waved the white flag. And the decision was
just staggering because it felt less like game management and
more like organizational surrender.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
On the ensuing drive, the Bengals ran the ball eight
out of ten times. They used samaj Parene and Chase
Brown to actively let the clock run down before snapping,
draining over five minutes five and a.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Half minutes burned. It ends on a fourth and one stop,
and the source material suggests this wasn't just a tactical loss.
It was a specific public moment where Burrow's trust in
Taylor's urgency might have just fractured. Who was the staff
signaling they were playing not to lose by fifty instead
of trying to win the.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Game, and that perceived surrender connects directly to the off
field concerns we all saw Burrow's later it's about not
having fun playing football and naturally, if you're a Bengals fan,
the decades of trauma from the Carson Palmer injury, the holdout,
the trade to Oakland, it all comes flooding back.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Of course, they're terrified of losing another generational.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Talent, understandably so with that history, But the sources they
offer a really crucial clarification here. Both Burrow and his
teammates insisted those comments were purely about the simple fact
of losing, okay, not about playing in Cincinnati itself. So
that should ease some of the fan anxiety about him
demanding a trade, but it doesn't solve the core problem.
(03:36):
If he's only unhappy when he loses, well, the organization
has to stop losing.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And when you look at Taylor's records since those deep
playoff runs, that's where the numbers get pretty damning. Since
the twenty twenty one Super Bowl run, Taylor's seventeen fifteen
with Burrow on the field, that's just not a record
that screams contender.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And this leads to our first major takeaway, sort of
the blinkest moment of this whole section. Burrough's talent floor
is higher than Zach Taylor's organizational ceiling.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Say it again.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Burrow by himself will inherently give you ten wins just
based on his play, his ability to raise the offense.
But the source material suggests the organizational structure the decision
making it guarantees they lose the next seven games.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So we're back to the support structure being the weakness.
The offense is world class, but the structure around it
is collapsing the team. What part of that structure is
failing the fastest.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That points us squarely and I mean unanimously, to the defense.
You simply cannot win consistently in the AFC North, which
is a physical, run heavy division with a defense that
underperforms like that, not even with Joe Burrow carrying the
whole load.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And the sources provide some specific, pretty alarming details about
the systemic failure of this unit.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, we have three key points of failure. Number one
and this is maybe the most inexcusable. The Bengals have
the league's worst tackling defense. Tackling is fundamental, It speaks
to basic coaching, to.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Discipline is basics.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, Number two, they routinely blow coverage assignments in critical situations.
That suggests a deep lack of preparation or communication. And finally,
number three, the pass rush is dangerously reliant on one guy,
Trey Hendrickson, who missed most of the season. When he's out,
the rush just it evaporates.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
They tried to solve this though they had a coaching shuffle.
They fired d c lu and Arumo and hired Al
Golden last offseason.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Correct but the results in twenty twenty five haven't been
substantially different. The defensive identity hasn't shifted. The fundamentals, the tackling,
the coverage are still the reasons they lose close games.
The organization spent resources on a new coordinator, but the
lack of foundational talent and discipline it just persists.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, so this brings us to the most debated solution
in the source material. The proposed strategic change is firing
Tailor and hiring a defensive guru, someone to capitalize on
Burrow's window.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That shift in hiring strategy would be the biggest structural
step they could take right now. The thinking is that
Burrow's offense is self sustaining. It's capable of carrying the
team if the defense is simply mediocre.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Wait a minute, though, you're suggesting the solution for a
team with maybe the best QB in the league is
to hire a defensive specialist. Isn't that just ignoring the
key asset you already have and introducing chaos to the
one functional unit that feels like a massive risk to
the offense, the one thing that is guaranteed to be elite.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
That's a crucial point, and the sources do address it
head on. They argue the risk is minimal because Burrow
is the system. He, alongside a competent offensive coordinator, ensures
that continuity. So the upside of a defensive higher far
outweighs that risk. We can even quantify it. If they
turn the defense into just a league average unit, the
(06:43):
Bengals become a perennial playoff team immediately. If they can
mold it into a top ten defense, which a true
guru could do well. They're competing for super Bowls every
single season.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
That's the difference between a ten win team and a
fourteen win team. It makes perfect sense why this job
is still appealing to any available coach. Really, the hardest
part of the job finding that Hall of Fame caliber
quarterback in his prime. It's already solved exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
The sources specifically mentioned Chargers DC Jesse Minter and Packers
DC Jeff Haffley as candidates who fit this profile. They
are defensive minds ready to make the jump, and they
only need to focus on fixing one side of the ball.
The appeal is massive. But before any coach signs on
that dotted line, we have to talk about the things
that haven't changed, the old caveats about the organization itself.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
The organizational hurdles, the ones that could completely sink any
coaching hire, no matter how talented that person is. So
we're pivoting now from the field to the front office.
We can talk defensive strategy all day long, but if
the ownership isn't investing in the support staff and players,
the whole structure remains fragile.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We have to clarify the core financial issue right now.
Here is the financial fact that underpins this entire discussion.
Cincinnati ranks thirtieth in cash spending over the past five years.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Thirtieth. That's shocking for a team that has been to
a Super Bowl recently and is built around an MVP quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And this is where we need to make a technical
distinction clear for you the listener. We are not talking
about the salary cap. The salary cap is future focused,
it's relatively flexible. We are talking about cash spending.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
The actual money going out the door.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
The immediate actual money ownership puts into infrastructure. Yes, signing bonuses,
guaranteed deals, staff salaries. It's the measure of the organizational
appetite for success right now, and the Bengals are choosing
to be cheap right now.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And that low cash spending has tangible negative results, doesn't it.
It's not just some abstract number on a spreadsheet.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It absolutely manifests on the field, particularly on defense. The
sources point directly to essential defensive players who are lost
because of this type fist. They lost Jesse Bates, the
third who was integral to their secondary to free agency
and have never recovered. And on top of that, they
are highly likely to lose key pass rusher Trey Hendrickson
this offseason after what's been called a bitter contract dispute.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These are direct, visible consequences of operating as a budget
team while having a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And it's not just about player salary, right it's the
very infrastructure supporting the coaches and players. The sources highlight
that the Bengals have the smallest scouting staff in the
entire league, which reportedly has irked Barrow.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, and when we say smallest scouting staff, what the
sources are implying is fewer scouts finding depth, fewer analysts
for advanced game planning, fewer resources for whatever coach you hire.
It's a structural handicap that no head coach, offensive or defensive,
can easily overcome. You just can't develop depth or fine
quality free agents with a skeletal staff.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
So if we connect this to the bigger picture, these
organizational limitations, they present a major challenge to any potential
new coach. Doesn't matter if there are a defensive expert
like mentor or an offensive play caller.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Precisely, this means the Bengals aren't just looking for a
new coach, they need an organizational agitator. A new coach
would have to use their leverage during the hiring process
to persuade ownership to actually invest in infrastructure. And this
isn't just about demanding a better defensive budget. It's about
demanding a bigger scouting staff, the financial commitment to lock
(10:13):
down essential defensive players.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So okay, let's synthesize the ultimate conflict here. Despite having
burrowed the generational hardest to find talent in the sport,
the organization must now find someone who can fix the
defense and force the necessary organizational investment to maximize their
title window. That is a truly massive ask for any
coach walking through that door.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It proves that the organizational rot is deep. It starts
with Taylor's tactical errors on the field, it transitions into
defensive fundamentals, but it ultimately rests on ownership's commitment to
winning at the highest level, a commitment that their own
cash spending figures explicitly deny.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So what does this all mean. It means the Bengals
have fixed the most difficult problem in all of football,
finding the quarterback, but they may lose him, or at
least lose his primeiers if they cannot fix the structural
support him. The resources are there. They have the fourth
most cap space and the tenth most draft capital in
twenty twenty six. They have future flexibility, but the current
(11:09):
operational commitment is just low.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The crucial question isn't whether they can find a defensive
guru like Jesse minter or Jeff Hafley, who can draw
up an elite scheme. The real question is whether ownership
is willing to stop being thirtieth in cash spending and
instead invest in the kind of infrastructure and MVP caliber
quarterback expects to see during his prime. The source states
the organization needs to find someone who can get Burrow
(11:33):
to believe again. But maybe maybe the real task is
proving to Burrow that the organization believes in winning enough
to spend like a contender rather than acting like a
team that's perpetually trying to save money. That's the fundamental
disconnect they have to resolve or they will suffer the
consequences
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