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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's talk about some toxic traits, guys. Let's talk about
some toxic traits. So let me scroll down on the
old things here and on this beautiful toxic Tuesday. The
Chicago Bears guys have reached out to the Dallas Cowboys
Mark to interview Mike McCarthy. Jerry Jones has yet to
respond to the Bears on this issue, but Drey Jones
did say in a press conference that if Mike McCarthy
(00:22):
wants to explore other options, go do it. I don't
want to force anybody to stay here. They don't want
to stay here. Spoil alert. Drey Jones has yet to
extend or sign Mike McCarthy beyond this season, which the
contract ends next Monday. So Mark, I'm gonna ask you
this question first, Is Jerry Jones the most toxic owner
(00:42):
in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, I'm gonna answer your question.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I've been saying forever that he's like the new Al Davis,
except that he's worse because Al Davis was actually kind
of a genius. Even though I hate to give any
kind of Raiders credit, al Davis was kind of an
innovator that he knew that teams needed to go to
places and build stadiums like he was. He was kind
of an innovator for his time. Jerry Jones is not
(01:08):
that he's a very good businessman, but I'm sorry, he's
no genius. And if I like, I don't know if
you said that McCarthy wasn't given a mission, but they
came out today before the show that he was denied
permission to go talk to the Bears, which I think
is not cool. I think this is a total ego
move by Jerry Jones saying no, you're not going anywhere,
even though he doesn't have a contract and all that stuff.
(01:31):
Like you said, Personally, I think McCarthy needs to leave,
get out of this toxic environment that they call the
Dallas Cowboys, and go somewhere else and maybe teaching Caleb
Williams might be the answer. He did help Aaron Rodgers
win a Super Bowl. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So just a fun fact here, guys, there are
two coaches right now that have eleven plus ten wins seasons,
and one of them is Mike Tomlin and then one
is Mike McCarthy. Just want to find that out there, Hafey,
is Jared Jones the most toxic owner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, first off, how very bears like to want to,
you know, interview Mike McCarthy, someone that you know, you
have a great, potentially great quarterback, you know, young guy
that needs to learn. And I don't think McCarthy's system
is very quarterback friendly. I know that him and Aaron
Rodgers were successful, but I think he made Dax's life
harder as a quarterback. But that said, I don't think
(02:26):
that Jerry Jones is the most toxic owner. I think
the New York Jets Woody Johnson is more toxic.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
At least good one.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
At least the Cowboys that have made the playoffs, you know,
at least they give us some good entertainment. Whereas Woody
Johnson is just an idiot. I mean he exnatee a
trade that would have brought Jerry Judy, who's what twenty
five years old to the Jets. You could have had
the two like two unbelievable superstar wide receivers, and Judy
(02:55):
and Wilson, who two years ago was the offensive rookie
of the year. They had the defensive and offensive rookie
of the year that year, you know, and they've fallen
apart since then. So I think that uh, Woody Johnson
is the most toxic owner. But I will say that
Jerry Jones is the most toxic GM. You know, you
can't keep his mouth shut.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So isn't that ambassador Woody Johnson. You better put some
respect on his name. I better put some respect on
that Hoffey.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, he should go overdose on his own Johnson Johnson
shot or whatever the heck that COVID thing is he
came up with.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
See. But so, Mark, you are saying that Jerry Jerry
Jones is the most toxic owner in the NFL, and Mark,
I think he's.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The most toxic for his team. I think Woody Johnson
is probably the most toxic owner. I have to agree
with hoff Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So there we go. So so earlier, like we had
a comment I believe, I don't remember who it was from.
It was from It was from your Broncos fan, right,
he said, how can the Cowboys get rid of Jerry
Jerry Jones? And you aren't going to be able to
get rid of Jerry Jones. What Jay Jones he needs
to do is hire a general manager, right, Jerry Jones
(04:08):
needs to get out of his own way and hire
a general manager, so at least what he Johnson has
a general manager. Mark, would this change your opinion of
Jerry Jones if they were to hire a general manager
and Jerry Jones can just own and then the manager
can manage.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I would. But he's never gonna do that, dude.
His ego is this freaking big, Like there's no way
that he's gonna give up that control. He came out
recently was like, I bought the team, so this is
something I can do for the next forty years. The
guy's nuts bro Like he's the most meddling owner there is.
I know Woody Johnson did some stuff, but I mean
the stuff that Jerry Jones isn't done with contracts and
(04:48):
the way he's done with players. Like I've said this
numerous times that he just wants to be relevant. He
doesn't care if they win or lose. As long as
the Dallas Cowboys are like topic of conversation, that's all
he cares about.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
As Hoffe, No, his sex sells even though it's bad
or good, it's still sex and it still sells. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, what GM is going to want to take
that position though, because they know darn well that even
if they come in as the GM, they're still going
to have to run every decision by Jerry Jones. And
Jerry Jones is still going to you know, be in
that locker room. You know, he needs to just completely
(05:26):
step back and just sit up in his booth, collect
his money, enjoy the fact that he owns a football team.
But he's never going to do that. Like Mark said,
his ego is just it's too big. He will never
take a backseat and allow people that are qualified to
do their job do their job. You know, yes, I
get it. They were America's team. They were successful, but
they could have been even more successful. You know, got
(05:49):
rid of Jimmy Johnson. You know, he ran some pretty
great coaches out of town. You know, so he's an idiot.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switcher was was the two
Super Bowl winning coaches.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, and he pushed out Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and Bill.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Parcells Parcells, you know, Eon Sanders, And then he.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Kept Jason Garrett for thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right, way too long, right.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So Laura says, But the real question is does Dallas
let Mike McCarthy go. His contract is expired next Monday.
I believe it's January fifteenth. As if they don't extend
him not, it doesn't matter. He's a free agent, right.
But my personally, if I was Mike McCarthy, I don't
(06:38):
care if the Dallas Cowboys offered me one hundred and
eighteen million dollars a season, I Am not staying there
because everything that I do gets undermined. What's like, you
guys are saying because of the toxic owner of Jerry Jones.
So hafey. If you are Mike McCarthy, if Jerry Jones
offers you, let's say, thirty million dollars a season to
(06:59):
cochdask I was the next four seasons, are you taking
that offer?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Because then you know, after this season, I'm probably getting
fired and then I'm gonna sit in my coach for
next three years and collect thirty million a year to
watch football.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Dude, Jerry Johns doesn't do that. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
If yeah, if I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm running for that,
you know, Chicago Bears opportunity or any other opportunity that
comes my way. But I think Jerry Jones is a
sleeve ball and right now he's just he's reaching out
to you know, the Vrabel that Johnson's you know, all
these guys that are out there to you know, to
gauge their interests before he decides what to do with
Mike McCarthy, you know. And I'm sure that's tampering and
(07:40):
whatnot when you have a coach still under contract. But
I just I don't trust the guy. As far as
I could throw him, even though he's one hundred pounds,
I could probably throw it pretty far.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Mark, you know all about bad coaches there in Denver
with and Nathaniel Hackett. You guys couldn't push him out
fast enough. But we were just talking about Mike McCarthy
potentially being fired two months ago, and now we're talking
about him getting extended. Mark, If you are Mike McCarthy,
are you staying in Dallas?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If given, If I'm Mike McCarthy, dude, I am running.
I am waiting for those days to end in the contract,
and I'm gonna listen to all offers. And if the
Bears are an option, I think that he's more of
a fit for Jacksonville personally.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Uh well, yeah, I mean probably. I got like, I
think you're right, So, Laura, I do think Dallas does
eventually let Mike McCarthy go. I think Mike, Mike McCarthy
is like their back burner guy, right, half of you
you know all all about this, right you you keep
this girl on the back burner, kind of string her
(08:42):
along while you're looking for other girls, right yeah, Like
it's not like if this girl says says says no, yeah,
that's girl still here. Right, So that's kind of I
feel like what is going on and what makes Urey
Jones so toxic?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean this Dallas Cowboys has talent on the roster,
but they've lost the locker room. And I don't think
that's because of Mike McCarthy. I think it's because of
Jerry Jones. And I don't think once it's lost the
way it's lost, that you can get that back. I
think that this team, you know, you got to look
at you know, Michael Parsons on his podcasts and whatnot.
I mean just just foaming at the mouth with comments
(09:22):
that you know, any other team that they wouldn't be
discussing those things or that wouldn't come out. So I
think that you know, this txtimity et cetera is just
running through the building and it's it's not something that
can be fixed. So I'm running if I'm McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So my man pigskin pun at mister Casey Morgan. He's like,
and he says, watch this next season, Jay Jones will
be the owner, general manager and head coach.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
No, he'll make his son the head coach.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But yeah, and then and then and then micromanage him
every which way. Hold the flasklas still here, garant sitmy
let me do it right? And uh sorry, I just
had PTSD uh, Laura says, gave me. Laura says, so,
does Mike Zimmer step up next season? No, Mike, Mike
Zimmer might find his way out. He runs too. Yeah,
(10:16):
Marl run Mark, what are you talks about Mike Zimmer
potentially being a head coach?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, the guy got lucky that he's a coordinator there.
There wasn't many jobs opening for him. He recent he
probably got that jobs because he's got connections there. Jerry
Jones is what's familiar with him, and that's why they
brought him in.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, Zimmer is gonna be in college next year, you
think so? That's how I don't think any other team
wants him, and I don't I think he would rather
go to coach at college defense than girls.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
North North Carolina bound right North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Because Bill Belichick, Steve is already there, so is he Okay,
maybe he'll go to Washington and take Steve Belichick's you know,
the defensive cordat position there.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Richard, I see your I see your question. Hold that thought, man,
hold that thought. Just want to let it ad let
that you know. And then Derek says, the promised ring
not turning into a grazement ring because there's no Super
Bowl ring. Not bad, not bad, not bad, not bad.
All right, let's move on. Let's move on to the
next toxic
Let's talk about some toxic traits, guys. Let's talk about
some toxic traits. So let me scroll down on the
old things here and on this beautiful toxic Tuesday. The
Chicago Bears guys have reached out to the Dallas Cowboys
Mark to interview Mike McCarthy. Jerry Jones has yet to
respond to the Bears on this issue, but Drey Jones
did say in a press conference that if Mike McCarthy
(00:22):
wants to explore other options, go do it. I don't
want to force anybody to stay here. They don't want
to stay here. Spoil alert. Drey Jones has yet to
extend or sign Mike McCarthy beyond this season, which the
contract ends next Monday. So Mark, I'm gonna ask you
this question first, Is Jerry Jones the most toxic owner
(00:42):
in the NFL?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Well, I'm gonna answer your question.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I've been saying forever that he's like the new Al Davis,
except that he's worse because Al Davis was actually kind
of a genius. Even though I hate to give any
kind of Raiders credit, al Davis was kind of an
innovator that he knew that teams needed to go to
places and build stadiums like he was. He was kind
of an innovator for his time. Jerry Jones is not
(01:08):
that he's a very good businessman, but I'm sorry, he's
no genius. And if I like, I don't know if
you said that McCarthy wasn't given a mission, but they
came out today before the show that he was denied
permission to go talk to the Bears, which I think
is not cool. I think this is a total ego
move by Jerry Jones saying no, you're not going anywhere,
even though he doesn't have a contract and all that stuff.
(01:31):
Like you said, Personally, I think McCarthy needs to leave,
get out of this toxic environment that they call the
Dallas Cowboys, and go somewhere else and maybe teaching Caleb
Williams might be the answer. He did help Aaron Rodgers
win a Super Bowl. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So just a fun fact here, guys, there are
two coaches right now that have eleven plus ten wins seasons,
and one of them is Mike Tomlin and then one
is Mike McCarthy. Just want to find that out there, Hafey,
is Jared Jones the most toxic owner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, first off, how very bears like to want to,
you know, interview Mike McCarthy, someone that you know, you
have a great, potentially great quarterback, you know, young guy
that needs to learn. And I don't think McCarthy's system
is very quarterback friendly. I know that him and Aaron
Rodgers were successful, but I think he made Dax's life
harder as a quarterback. But that said, I don't think
(02:26):
that Jerry Jones is the most toxic owner. I think
the New York Jets Woody Johnson is more toxic.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
At least good one.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
At least the Cowboys that have made the playoffs, you know,
at least they give us some good entertainment. Whereas Woody
Johnson is just an idiot. I mean he exnatee a
trade that would have brought Jerry Judy, who's what twenty
five years old to the Jets. You could have had
the two like two unbelievable superstar wide receivers, and Judy
(02:55):
and Wilson, who two years ago was the offensive rookie
of the year. They had the defensive and offensive rookie
of the year that year, you know, and they've fallen
apart since then. So I think that uh, Woody Johnson
is the most toxic owner. But I will say that
Jerry Jones is the most toxic GM. You know, you
can't keep his mouth shut.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So isn't that ambassador Woody Johnson. You better put some
respect on his name. I better put some respect on
that Hoffey.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, he should go overdose on his own Johnson Johnson
shot or whatever the heck that COVID thing is he
came up with.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
See. But so, Mark, you are saying that Jerry Jerry
Jones is the most toxic owner in the NFL, and Mark,
I think he's.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The most toxic for his team. I think Woody Johnson
is probably the most toxic owner. I have to agree
with hoff Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So there we go. So so earlier, like we had
a comment I believe, I don't remember who it was from.
It was from It was from your Broncos fan, right,
he said, how can the Cowboys get rid of Jerry
Jerry Jones? And you aren't going to be able to
get rid of Jerry Jones. What Jay Jones he needs
to do is hire a general manager, right, Jerry Jones
(04:08):
needs to get out of his own way and hire
a general manager, so at least what he Johnson has
a general manager. Mark, would this change your opinion of
Jerry Jones if they were to hire a general manager
and Jerry Jones can just own and then the manager
can manage.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I would. But he's never gonna do that, dude.
His ego is this freaking big, Like there's no way
that he's gonna give up that control. He came out
recently was like, I bought the team, so this is
something I can do for the next forty years. The
guy's nuts bro Like he's the most meddling owner there is.
I know Woody Johnson did some stuff, but I mean
the stuff that Jerry Jones isn't done with contracts and
(04:48):
the way he's done with players. Like I've said this
numerous times that he just wants to be relevant. He
doesn't care if they win or lose. As long as
the Dallas Cowboys are like topic of conversation, that's all
he cares about.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
As Hoffe, No, his sex sells even though it's bad
or good, it's still sex and it still sells. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean, what GM is going to want to take
that position though, because they know darn well that even
if they come in as the GM, they're still going
to have to run every decision by Jerry Jones. And
Jerry Jones is still going to you know, be in
that locker room. You know, he needs to just completely
(05:26):
step back and just sit up in his booth, collect
his money, enjoy the fact that he owns a football team.
But he's never going to do that. Like Mark said,
his ego is just it's too big. He will never
take a backseat and allow people that are qualified to
do their job do their job. You know, yes, I
get it. They were America's team. They were successful, but
they could have been even more successful. You know, got
(05:49):
rid of Jimmy Johnson. You know, he ran some pretty
great coaches out of town. You know, so he's an idiot.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switcher was was the two
Super Bowl winning coaches.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, and he pushed out Bill Parcells.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and Bill.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Parcells Parcells, you know, Eon Sanders, And then he.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Kept Jason Garrett for thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right, way too long, right.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So Laura says, But the real question is does Dallas
let Mike McCarthy go. His contract is expired next Monday.
I believe it's January fifteenth. As if they don't extend
him not, it doesn't matter. He's a free agent, right.
But my personally, if I was Mike McCarthy, I don't
(06:38):
care if the Dallas Cowboys offered me one hundred and
eighteen million dollars a season, I Am not staying there
because everything that I do gets undermined. What's like, you
guys are saying because of the toxic owner of Jerry Jones.
So hafey. If you are Mike McCarthy, if Jerry Jones
offers you, let's say, thirty million dollars a season to
(06:59):
cochdask I was the next four seasons, are you taking
that offer?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Because then you know, after this season, I'm probably getting
fired and then I'm gonna sit in my coach for
next three years and collect thirty million a year to
watch football.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Dude, Jerry Johns doesn't do that. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
If yeah, if I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm running for that,
you know, Chicago Bears opportunity or any other opportunity that
comes my way. But I think Jerry Jones is a
sleeve ball and right now he's just he's reaching out
to you know, the Vrabel that Johnson's you know, all
these guys that are out there to you know, to
gauge their interests before he decides what to do with
Mike McCarthy, you know. And I'm sure that's tampering and
(07:40):
whatnot when you have a coach still under contract. But
I just I don't trust the guy. As far as
I could throw him, even though he's one hundred pounds,
I could probably throw it pretty far.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Mark, you know all about bad coaches there in Denver
with and Nathaniel Hackett. You guys couldn't push him out
fast enough. But we were just talking about Mike McCarthy
potentially being fired two months ago, and now we're talking
about him getting extended. Mark, If you are Mike McCarthy,
are you staying in Dallas?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If given, If I'm Mike McCarthy, dude, I am running.
I am waiting for those days to end in the contract,
and I'm gonna listen to all offers. And if the
Bears are an option, I think that he's more of
a fit for Jacksonville personally.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Uh well, yeah, I mean probably. I got like, I
think you're right, So, Laura, I do think Dallas does
eventually let Mike McCarthy go. I think Mike, Mike McCarthy
is like their back burner guy, right, half of you
you know all all about this, right you you keep
this girl on the back burner, kind of string her
(08:42):
along while you're looking for other girls, right yeah, Like
it's not like if this girl says says says no, yeah,
that's girl still here. Right, So that's kind of I
feel like what is going on and what makes Urey
Jones so toxic?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I mean this Dallas Cowboys has talent on the roster,
but they've lost the locker room. And I don't think
that's because of Mike McCarthy. I think it's because of
Jerry Jones. And I don't think once it's lost the
way it's lost, that you can get that back. I
think that this team, you know, you got to look
at you know, Michael Parsons on his podcasts and whatnot.
I mean just just foaming at the mouth with comments
(09:22):
that you know, any other team that they wouldn't be
discussing those things or that wouldn't come out. So I
think that you know, this txtimity et cetera is just
running through the building and it's it's not something that
can be fixed. So I'm running if I'm McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So my man pigskin pun at mister Casey Morgan. He's like,
and he says, watch this next season, Jay Jones will
be the owner, general manager and head coach.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
No, he'll make his son the head coach.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But yeah, and then and then and then micromanage him
every which way. Hold the flasklas still here, garant sitmy
let me do it right? And uh sorry, I just
had PTSD uh, Laura says, gave me. Laura says, so,
does Mike Zimmer step up next season? No, Mike, Mike
Zimmer might find his way out. He runs too. Yeah,
(10:16):
Marl run Mark, what are you talks about Mike Zimmer
potentially being a head coach?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, the guy got lucky that he's a coordinator there.
There wasn't many jobs opening for him. He recent he
probably got that jobs because he's got connections there. Jerry
Jones is what's familiar with him, and that's why they
brought him in.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, Zimmer is gonna be in college next year, you
think so? That's how I don't think any other team
wants him, and I don't I think he would rather
go to coach at college defense than girls.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
North North Carolina bound right North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Because Bill Belichick, Steve is already there, so is he Okay,
maybe he'll go to Washington and take Steve Belichick's you know,
the defensive cordat position there.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Richard, I see your I see your question. Hold that thought, man,
hold that thought. Just want to let it ad let
that you know. And then Derek says, the promised ring
not turning into a grazement ring because there's no Super
Bowl ring. Not bad, not bad, not bad, not bad.
All right, let's move on. Let's move on to the
next toxic
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