October 26, 2024 • 59 mins
Cort reveals how he established a connection between secret society, the Priory of Sion of Rennes-le-Chateau and Da Vinci Code fame, to the mysteries of Oak Island.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Night Vision Vision. Following clues left by our ancestors, we
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putting us just a little closer to our own true birthrights.
From the secret history of a possible bloodline of Jesus Christ,
to a secret history of America's founders, to the secret
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history of extraterrestrial interaction on our planet. Here to bring
light to the night. Your host for night Vision Radio
Renee Barnett.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, guys, welcome back to night Vision or if this
is your first time, welcome, I hope this is not
going to be your last time. We've got a great
show today, as Thomas. We have court Lyndall on with us.
He's one of the best historians in the genre that
we're all addicted to, that big overarching mystery that seems
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to cover these other mysteries like Runless Chateau and Oak
Island and Dougborough Hall and all these things we've all
been kind of looking into, wondering about, and trying to
sort out what's true and what's not true. So we
do have court here as promised, but so that you
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don't think we've pulled a switcheroo on you, we're going
to be talking about something a little bit different than
what you might have seen on our TikTok video. So
before I go any further, I'm going to let Court
come on and explain to you what we're going to
be talking about today, because it is very exciting and
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it has to do with secret societies in which I'm
always all ears on.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey, Court, how are you?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Hello, everybody, Thanks for having me Renee. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And always you know that, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Always a pleasure to come here and chat with somebody
who knows what's going on. Well, well I wouldn't say
that about myself either, so don't worry. But as you
were saying, you know what, we all promised some new
revelations about Oak Island and we're going to have to
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hold off on that for now for various reasons. And
I apologize, No, it's not going away, it's just being
developed further, and you know, for other reasons maybe I
can't talk about right now. And unfortunately, and I apologize,
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I'm not faking it. It wasn't just a ployee to
get you all to watch, but really, what we're yeah,
what we're going to do here is relate Mount Shasta
to some of the mysteries in Europe and some of
the secret societies and some of the information that I've
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spoken of recently about these formula document featured on the
Curse of Oak Island TV show and Zena's Map and
how I feel a man named Pierre Mariol was involved
in that. So we're going to, you know, give a
brief overview of Mount Shasta and what's going on there,
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what the history there is, and then we'll take some
of the same characters that are involved there and show
you how this relates to other stories like Rainow Chateau
and cremona document and the way it relates to the
Oak Island story. So it's kind of an interlaced web
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of information. And this does relate to the things that
I was going to talk about that I can't really
reveal right now. So again, I apologize to everybody for that.
And everybody out there that knows me or followed my
work knows that I don't bus around and this just
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wasn't appropriate right now to tell anyone about.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I apologize to everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I understand. I mean, it happens, it really does, and
Timing is always important, I think, and also you know,
if we're going to get the information anyway at some point,
then it doesn't matter what's today.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I mean, stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It'll become obvious sooner or later, and everybody's mind is
going to be blown because this is some things that
are going to prove a lot of you know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
With historical facts.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, things I've been promoting as part of my theory
for years now.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, and so got court Land along with me. I
don't want to get to woo woo on anybody, but
maybe about thirty seconds ago when court was talking, something
flew right up here where right here. It just went up,
and I just wonder if anybody saw it. If they did,
maybe even coming.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Later, I saw it, did you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What it like?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I thought to myself, Oh, people are going to say
it was an orb or whatever exactly, but it did
look like a mot of dust to me.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
For real, It looked like a feather or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
An orb. It just looked like something went up.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Oh I saw something different.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It definitely could be dust, that's for sure. It's a
domestic goddess savior.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You'll see something flying over Mountchhasta.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Behind me before the show's over, and that's probably what
it will be.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh my god, I've never had anything supernatural happen on
the show, and it's going to happen when courts on
when he wouldn't believe it anyway, Oh.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I might believe.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I'm not that that you know, much of a out
of it that if I experienced something myself, you know
that I wouldn't acknowledge that. I mean, I've talked about
weird things that have happened to me before, you know,
like when I was a kid, I lived in Turkey
for three years because my dad was in the Air Force,
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and there was this lake where we would go out fishing.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And I saw this huge lizard one.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Day, like a serpent that was like as big as,
you know, a smaller alligator, and nothing like that is
supposed to live there. And this thing moved through the
grass and hissed, you know, and it came out and
I was standing there with a fishing pole, and it
bared its teeth at.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Me, even.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Up my tackle box and fishing rod, and me and
my buddy just ran, you know, to where our fathers
were a couple of hundred yards away, So you know,
I'm not above. That was some weird thing, and of
course as an adult, I always remembered this and looked up,
are there any creatures that live in that part of
Turkey that are like that?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And they're not, you know, So yeah, that was kind
of weird.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And you know, another time I saw like it must
have been a meteor or something, but it was moving
like as slow as like when you see an airliner,
you know, flying, and it was on fire and chunks
of it were coming off and stuff, and it was
going horizontal almost like.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I watched this thing for.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Like three or four minutes because I was in the
mountain side above a valley camping, and that was bizarre too.
It was like flying almost, you know, is what it
seemed like, because it wasn't. It didn't have your directory
where it was going down. It was just going like that.
And I mean I watched it till it went out
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of sight and it was still going level at that
slow rate, like looking at an airliner or something. So
you know, I mean, I've had strange things happen too,
and I understand when people say that, and we'll get
to this later in our chat too. It's like when
things like this become a mania. Yeah, and certain people
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started exaggerating this or that, and it becomes you know,
this is how kind of fake history happens as well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I think I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Open minded, but I'm kind of, you know, a little concerned,
more conservative than a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So yeah, definitely, definitely. I kind of was adding to
that a little bit. And I think it was you Court.
One night when I came home from dinner or somewhere,
I got out of someone's car and I looked up
and all these things going through the sky, right. I
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totally freaked out, you know, and I thought, I'm finally
witnessing what I've been talking about for years, you know,
on TV, on the radio, whatever, and now I'm having
an experience. And I believe I called you Court and
you said, no it starling.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, that's probably what I said it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Definitely, that's funny because that does freak a lot of
people out when they see it. I've seen it on
social media. People will post videos of it. Look what
I saw, you know, and so people are starting to
learn what that is now, and so they know, you know,
if if it's starlink, it's just this line of little
dot lights that go in alignment with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, I swear I thought, oh my god, that's
when it sort of first started. I guess they first
started launching them off or something.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Sure, and then you have those other I looked on.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
The internet lots of pictures of them, and I said, oh, yeah,
that's what I saw.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, they have those other rockets that release this aerosol
that puts this big plume around them that makes it
look very strange as well. That when they first started
doing those, people were freaking out about it until it
became kind of normal.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And now most people know that it's just a normal thing.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So yeah, exactly or explainable anyway, Maybe not normal, but
can be explained.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, yeah, what is normal anyway?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Deing into some of the mysteries of Mount Shasta. And
I'm sure most people know about Mount Shasta. It's up
in northern California. Is that considered northern California? I guess
it is.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Oh yeah, it's been far northern California. It's only like,
what forty miles from the Oregon border. It's not you
know it is, Yeah, it's I live in Chico and
it's about you know, three hours north of me. Even
though as the crow flies it's only like eighty five
miles away, it just takes a lot to get there,
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you know, Circuda's route, so to speak, get.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
From here to there. And you can even see see
it just from north of Chico too.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Wow, you know, so you a beautiful mountain, you know,
strong a lot of people, especially people of a metaphysical
or new age bent.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
For decades and understandable if it attracts people even who
don't feel like that, because it's just such a.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Natural you know, beauty here and place.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It just calms you being there, and there's certain view
spots around there where you go and you just sit
there and look at it and just awe inspiring. So,
no matter what your beliefs are.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
In California all this long time, and I've never been
up there, would love to see it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh you need to make it. Sometimes I'm up there
and check it out, definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And it seems like the village would be really cool
to hang out, you know, have a coffee and right, well,
yeah it's atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it's legendary for that.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Or you hang out at the whole food store and
you know, people have stories and you know, if you
keep an eye on YouTube and word search Mount Shasta,
there's always people, you know, claiming to have met a
Lumurian or have to found the portal into the city
of Telos beneath Mount Shasta.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So there's reptilians in Mount Shasta.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Oh there anything you can imagine now at this point
has been spun up there.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I shouldn't say that. Yeah, there's people who believe it.
It's ended masters exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And that's an interesting subject too, because you know, early on,
you know, I was saying I lived in Chico. The
founder of Chico made a trip to Mount Shasta with
his wife Andy Bidwell. This is John Bidwell, and they
were close friends with the name a man named John
Dalton Hooker. And there's a there used to be a
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very large oak tree here in Chico that they named
after him, which is kind of interesting because that's a Juridic,
you know, Celtic kind of tradition.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And uh Hooker was like the brother in law of
Charles Darwin.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
You know, the revolution guy. And yeah, so so John
Bidwell was a correspondent and friend of his. So he
visited Chico two different times, and one of those times
they made a trip to Mount Shasta with John Muir,
the famous author and poet naturalist, I should say, and.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know, in John Muir's journal he states that, you know, J. D.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Hooker told us stories about his trips to the Himalayas
because he was a botanist. He had already traveled to
the Far East at that early date and been exposed
to the stories of Agartha and Shambalah, of the cities
beneath the Tibetan mountains, right, so he told them these
stories around the campfire, and how Mount Shasta reminded him
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of that those stories and reminded him of the Himalayas
because it's such this huge tall peak surrounded by I mean,
it's over eleven thousand feet high, and it's surrounded by
other mountains that are only like three thousand feet high.
So it's very striking how it lifts up out of
this you know nowhere. It's like a big pyramid, natural
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pyramid almost sort of. So that's the first mention I
could find of, you know, these comparisons to Tibetan concepts
with regard.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
To Mount Shasta.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And I thought it was fascinating because I'm a student
of Chico history too, you know. And you know John
Bidwell did establish an Axis Monday here in the city Plaza,
which he plowed a circle around, just like Constantine did
to establish the Royal District of Constantinople. The city Plaza
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aligns with his home, Bidwell Mansion, and then the main
street leading from there is called the Esplanade, which is
a Latin term for the flat open area near an
Axis Monday. So no one can really deny that's that's
what his intent was and what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So when do you see the term esplanade or esplanade,
that's what that means.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yes, that's the original meaning of it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's it's it's like a sort of like what's the
forum the fora of Rome or in relation to axes
as well.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And you know, if you go to the other times,
it was like sporting venues like the Hippodrome and Constantinople
with the Egyptian obelists that was there are still there
actually adjacent to the Blue Mosque and the Hagia Sophia
and everything. So that was the Axis Monday of Constantine,
who had a palace there called the Daphne, which was
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name named after the Greek Arcadian mythological figure Daphne, who
turned herself into a laurel tree as Apaulo was trying
to rape her, and then herb the laurel tree subsequently
as a symbol of victory, you know, the laurel wreath
that they used to give out at the Olympics and everything.
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So within the Daphne Palace was a centrally located octagonal
room that served as an axis Monday as well. And
an axis Monday, you know, in playing terms, marks a
prime meridian or a place from which to measure from
in relation to the rest of the empire or other.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Cities and things like that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
So who often astronomical data would be collected there or
nearby and compared to other places where astronomical data was collected.
So it's interesting that Thomas Jefferson copied the design of
the Daphne in his construction of Monticello. And he was
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also noted by his mentor and professor Smalls as valuing quote,
personal meridians.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And that's a whole other show. But back to Mount Shasta,
that's kind.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Of like a natural access mondy I believe too, and
possibly Native Americans valued it that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Way, Jefferson had definitely some associations with some of these
families in when he went over when he spent time
in France. Sure, So is that how the connection was
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made or was he further involved?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, I think he came by knowledge of this first
of all, No, before he went to Europe, because he
was a student at William and Mary and there's an octagoniant. No,
he went as a diplomat, but he knew about these
things from when he was a student at William and
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Mary because what is known as the Powder Magazine is there,
and that's an octagonal copy of the Tower of the
Winds of Athens, which is one of the earliest axes
Monday there is. And so the Governor Spotswood had built
that in seventeen fifteen, And so by the time Jefferson
went to college there he was kind of initiated into
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what this really means, means, what this structure is. And
so he was also distantly related to Phillip Sydney, who
I've written about before, who wrote a book called Arcadia
that has a story about a money pit in it
that is really similar to the Oak Island legend of
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the three young men finding the money Pit, and he
was related to Phillip Sidney via his namesake Thomas Randolph,
who was the brother in law of Sir Francis Walsingham,
and Sir Francis Walsingham's son in law was Philip Sidney,
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so they were family related but not blood related. So
it's obvious that Jefferson's mother's family valued Philip Sidney because
William Randolph, the second from his mother's family named his
estate in Virginia Wilton House, and that's the name of
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Mary Sydney Herbert, the Countess of Pembroke's home where Philip Sidney.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Wrote the book Arcadia.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So there's all these obscure connections that do link, and
the Randolph family clearly had a value of all this
Shakespearean intrigue and things like this. Here we're going off
from Mount Shasta, but it is interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But they owned a copy of what is known as
The Together at.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Some point point another. Yeah, that's what's so crazy, And
that's what's so complex about this area of research is
because it will take you down rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
But it's clear that the so it's the go ahead makes.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
The Randolph's were definitely into all of that because they
owned a copy of what is known as the False
Folio of Shakespeare, and they're just as closely related to
the Lee family as well, you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Know, of Shakespeare.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It came out before the first Folio, and it was
a compilation of certain plays, uh, you know, of Shakespeare
that was put out, you know, in one volume. So
that supposedly burned in a fire at the University of
Virginia after Jefferson, you know, the Randolphs had donated to
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there after Thomas Jefferson had established the UVA. So I
kind of doubt that story though, but there's so few
copies of it there. There's like no copies of it
existing anymore, and they were noted as having one, so
that a lot of you know, Shakespeare scholars and people
interested in those kind of mysteries, you know, uh, speculate
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whether it actually burned in the fire it was just
hidden away.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And it's kind of interesting too because I'm rel for that.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Book that relates to the story of the Brute and
Vault too in Williamsburg to where the you know, stash
of Sir Francis Bacon's papers is supposed to be. So
there's this mania in Virginia over all of that same
kind of stuff that lately, you know, people have tried
to apply to Oak Island in some regards as Sir
Francis Bacon Angle, you know of his papers being buried
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at Oak Island. So this are Yeah, that concept already
existed in Virginia for many, many years prior, you know,
with people who are into that kind of stuff. But yeah,
so that that does relate to you know, what we're
going to say about Mount Shasta, because the aspects we're
going to talk about are you know, how the Limurians
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and everything became associated with Mount Shasta. And I contend
that this is through connections to some of the European
secret societies. We involved in the Randless Chateau story and
the story of Oak Island, whether true or false, via
what is known as the Cremona document.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
So there's connections between all of.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
These places where people have tried to promote them as
being associated with a similar man in the Mountain mythology,
if you will, if you look at the stories of
you know, the progeny of Charlemagne, you know, Frederick Barbarossa,
there's all these stories of him being interred in a
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mountain somewhere in Germany with treasures in a library of
rare information and rare books and things like that. And
the story of Charlemagne is the same. You know that
that for example, the Coronation Gospels were found in his
tomb when it was opened up, and that later was
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a booking.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
His father a big figure in all this.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Million.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, yeah, his whole family is supposed to be of
Maravinian descent, so that kind of hooks us into the
the you know, mythology. Yeah, oh yeah, oh no, he's
he's He's definitely related through Clovis to the Maravinian bloodline.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh, there's no.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Doubt about that, not as directly as some of the
later claimants were or anything. His his family is famous
for usurping the French crown from the Maravinians, like Dagobert
the second and the two that came after him were
the legitimate ones, and he ended up with it just
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being kind of a distant cousin of theirs who wasn't
in line, you know, to get it. But it came about, Yeah,
it came about from his grandfather being the mayor of
the court, like the one who controlled all the money
and everything, and they gradually became more powerful than the
Maravindian kings who they who came to be viewed as
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weak and ineffectual and was just basically replaced by Pepin
and Charlemagne was his progeny. So they were related to Maravindians,
but they weren't from the direct line of the people
who were supposed to be the king who had made
this agreement with the Vatican that they were the Holy
Roman Emperors, so that title transferred to Charlemagne for the
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first time. You know, the same power and influence and
relationship to the Vatican. So it's an interesting story. Yeah,
and Charlemagne created his Axis Mondy too in the octagonal
form of the Acan Cathedral, which is it's basically Charlemagne
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was a big fan of Byzantine architecture, so he was
also so inspired by Constantine, just like Thomas Jefferson was
in many ways to value this concept of what a
prime meridian is. And of course we later see the
concept of a prime meridian being involved in the rainless
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Shataut story in the form of the Paris Meridian. There
you go, it's bound to happen every time.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm sorry, what a rookie mistake.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So that's what I keep.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Part of what's in my writing is what the prime
meridian means and how it's used in practical mapping. I mean,
you know, like the Paris meridian used to be the
zero point on all French maps, the zero longitude, and
now the rest of the world is basically accepted Greenwich, England.
You know, we made a worldwide standard as being the
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zero point. But all over time, like Constantine valued this
concept as well. It's obvious and uh, a lot of
spiritual overtones.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Uh like when did when did it become the Greenwich?
What when did it? It's funny because I was just
reading yesterday about something that sits on the past median
down in the Old Region. It's the town of Sayre
s e r R E S And I remembered that
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and then I did, fine that, yes it does sit
right on the meridian.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, well people do value that because over time it
became a spiritual you know, and and took on mystical
overtones and power overtones like lay lines and things like that.
Kind of that concept I think emerged from a value
of prime meridians in my studies because early on, you know,
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when I started to look into things. I looked into
and wrote about lay lines, and my conclusion was that,
you know, maybe those began as a practical application of
defining property or one city in relation to another, and
then people started aligning things to align with whatever had
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already been measured because it could be easily defined again.
So other people they're you know, no, court, that's not
what's going on. They'll say, it's energy, you know, their
spiritual energy in these lines and things, and that's why
people chose to live along it. And you know, that's
that speaks to you know, part of what I've gone
through in this genre of just being more practically oriented
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and looking for real facts, which angers a lot of
people in the end because it disputes their spiritual beliefs
in some cases. So that was a big thing for me.
I mean, I even have two books that I took
down for being for sale that espoused things that I
came to really not believe eve anymore. So that it's
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all related to this. And actually studying Mount Shasta was
one of the things that really tipped me off, you know,
where I said, oh man, look at all this and
that this is unverifiable, none of it can be historically proven,
you know, beyond people just believing it, which is fine.
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I'm not cracking on people who believe it. I understand
believe me. And but it led me to apply that
that kind to the other stories of Rainless Chateau, the
Beele Treasure, Oak Island, and sure as heck. I started
to come up with real historical solutions to some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So that felt good.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, it does. When things clicked together, it's it's wonderful.
And you've made so many amazing connections. That's sort of
what you're known for in the community here.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Have But King, you just talk a little bit about
what do people believe about Mount Shasta, what are some
of the myths and are there any Native American connections?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, And that's really a good place to start, because
the Native myths later, you know, all of the later
things about a city under Mount Shasta and the Limurians
kind of relate to this Native myth of the Creator
taking a stone and drilling a hole in the sky
and all the pieces of the sky that fell down
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piled up and formed Mount Shasta, and he used he
hollowed out Mount Shasta and it was his home you know,
so that right there is very similar to what people
would later, you know, claim there's a city beneath Mount
Shasta that where the Limurians live. And it's also interesting
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too that even the legend of Bigfoot kind of comes
from the Shasta and went to Indian myths and legends.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Of the area.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That the creator's daughter mate it with the grizzly bear,
and so the progeny was a half grizzly half human creature,
and so that equates to Bigfoot to many people. And
that makes sense to me too, that you know, no
matter what you believe about Bigfoot, whether you believe it
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or not, that maybe the inspiration for whatever beliefs there
are of it came started there. So that's kind of
what later you know people, you know, Frederick Spencer Oliver
in the late eighteen hundreds, in the eighteen nineties wrote
a book called The Dweller on Two Planets, and that
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was the first one to claim there was a city
beneath Mount Shasta, and he would have a connections to
this character named Philos the Tibetan, and there's your Tibetan.
That's the next introduction of you know, this Tibetan imagery
of the cities beneath the mountains in Tibetan mythology and
beliefs you know, Agartha and Shambla or shangri La, if
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you will. So those concepts are now applied to Mount
Shasta after that time, and it just began to steam
roll from there to even where.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, Harvey Spencer Lewis, the.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Founder of the American American Roe Secruc Order or the
ancient mystical Order of the Rosy Cross known as Amorc
in some circles, wrote a book about Lemurians in Mount
Shasta two later in the nineteen thirties, and that kind
of took off, you know, leading to the concepts of
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the Ascended Masters and the you know, the ascended Masters
concepts started in Tibet. You know, that's where the ascendeds
are supposed to dwell, inside of a city, inside of
a mountain. So it's interesting that Harvey Spencer Lewis, you know,
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kind of was involved in this creation of these stories
at Mount Shasta that involved people living in a city
beneath the mountain. And as it turns out, you know,
Harvey Spencer Lewis had many connections to secret societies in Europe,
and a lot of people really don't know that before
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he even formed Amorc you know, the ancient mystical order
of the Rosy Cross. And this is where an amazing
link between Harvey Spencer Lewis and this information I've recently
revealed about Oak Island where there's an amazing connection and
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I'll have to explain.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's that You made the connection through the secret society?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yes, well, yeah, yeah, let me explain what's in Yeah,
let me explain. As part of my studies of Oak Island,
I looked at the what's known as the Cremona Document,
and fans of the Oak Island TV show will will
know that there's what's known as the le Formula document
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and Zena's Map which have the same handwriting on.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Them, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
So the let Formula document is kind of a explanation
of the symbols that are on what is known as
the ninety foot stone at Oak Island. But at the
bottom of it is a small notation that reveals that
it's an elegy to a man named mister Hayward and
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it was written in nineteen seventy eight when this guy
passed away and it's signed mary L. But where the
L is there's a behind it as well. It makes
that word either Maryel or Marin. And then the last
two lines of the notation refers to mister Hayward going
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towards the cemetery by the sea, which is a poem
by a Yeah, which is a poem by a man
named Paul Valeri who associated and this is from Holy Blood,
Holy Grail the book. He's mentioned in that book three
or four times as being associated with the Priory of Zion.
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So I took that information and studied it, and I
discerned that Maryell was likely a man named Pierre Mauriel,
who was involved in all of these esoteric orders, the
Martinist Order, the French Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, of the
Rosa Crucians, and in fact I found that he was
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close friends with Harvey Spencer Lewis, and it even initiated
Harvey Spencer Lewis into the rows Acrusi philosophy and what
is known as the Old Tower of Toulouse. So later
I found even an article in the ros Accrusion Digests
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from the nineteen fifties that Pierre Mariol had written an
article in there and talking about some of the same
symbols that are on the ninety foot stone at Oak Island.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So here I that the Tower of Toulouse that you're
talking about. Is that a real thing? And is that
still there.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And I haven't been able to discern which tower it
is because there's like three or four of them there
that are noted. So I need maybe somebody there. Maybe
we can get Jay to check it out that which
one is referred.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
To as the quote old Tower.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
As the story goes, he was initiated and then returned
to the United States and founded the AMRC, and and
you know, the rest is history that he went on
to write this book about Mount Shasta, and you know
other stories that have rosa Crucian overtones at Mount Shasta,
like the legend of J. C.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Brown and everything. So it's to me it was just,
oh my god.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I found out all this stuff about Pierre Mariel, and
I really do believe that's who that notation is referring to,
or you know, was signed by. And then even the
poet Paul Valery whose poem is referred to in the notation,
was good friends with a man named Alexandra Saint Eves,
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and this man was more prominent during the mid to
late eighteen hundreds, but he as well was a huge promoter.
He was the first one to come up with the
concept the ascended Masters, or what many people refer to
as the white Hats now living in a city beneath
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a mountain in Tibet. So all of this is related
to each other in a weird way. That these people,
you know, being referred to in the book famous.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
The cremona document part that refers to Oak Island, and
then now you can see even how it affected the
myths and legends of Mount Shasta. So we're just seeing
this interrelated web of stuff. You know that after you
see that how it was done and how it's all related,
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it may lead you to question some.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Of it a little bit more, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I mean, like I said, again, I'm not cracking on
people who believe it, and I totally respect anybody's faith
or what they see as a spiritual matter, and if
they believe it, that's up to them and their right.
But it's just weird that we see all of these
secret societies kind of promoting these ideas. I think sometimes
for their own reasons. I think sometimes they'll take a
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story like Rainless Chateau, you know, or Oak Island and
put their own spin on it for political reasons, nationalist reasons,
or you know, like the kind of you know motives.
Pierre Plantard, you know, claimed to have to return to
Maravinian to the throne of France. That that's kind of political.
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We know he was involved in the you know things in.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
World War two and.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Associated with the Gaul, you know, political aspects of why
these stories might be promoted as well, or just to
promote and attract people to their specific secret society as well.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Was it true that their Plantard was involved with the
Beas government.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
You know, to me, I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
They they they frowned on freemasons, so if he was
a freemason, he would have had to have kept that secret.
You know, he did, you know, publish that magazine Van Cree,
I believe is how you pronounce it that supposedly had
coded information and some of the stories and a lot
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of the stories and there were about you know, theosophy
concepts and New Age religions, just like the Nazis were
into Let's not forget that they believed in a city
beneath a mountain in Tibet as well as part of
their belief system, and believe that's where the Aryan race
emerged from, and they even sent people there to investigate that.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, they spent lots of time searching for these places,
in these certain objects that had you know, supposedly mystical qualities,
things like that, right, you know, the treasures of the
Temple of Solomon and things like that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And that leads to the auto Iran story.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
You know that most rainless chattau fanatics are familiar with
who Autouran is too, so you know, he was searching
for the Holy Grail in the Languadoc and supposedly rains
chateaux and Monsignor and the cave systems and everything. So
that that's a fact that's not just made up, that
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they actually did send people looking for such things.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, there was heavy you know, Nazi occupation in that area.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, and it's interesting that too.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
All of these stories oftentimes include a treasure, you know,
some kind, and you know that attracts people as well
to to you know, looking into it themselves, and then
they get exposed to the versions of history that these
people are promoting for whatever reason they want to or not.
(42:06):
And you know, that's you know, part of what I
started looking into. You know, I found myself promoting some
of these ideas like templars in America, you know, and
other just kind of what lay lines were and stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And I came to not believe that myself because I decided.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
One day to look for real historical sources that said this,
and all I found was kind of a feedback loop
of somebody saying it and other people repeating it as fact.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And oftentimes I try.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
To like that in this mystery, so many things that
I personally thought I knew as a fact and later
small example, the pre Saugni Air built the water channel,
and when that's so because he had all this money,
(43:02):
suddenly he.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Didn't, right, he turned out not to be true.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
That was after him and there you go, he didn't
build any roads. It's like, yeah, I thought things, I
thought those were facts. They're not.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Another thing, another you know, thought I've had about why things.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Go that way is to to hide whatever the real
truth is that the smoke screen story is created that
the public at large will you know, eat up and
you know that, well, the real unless you really look into,
you know, the real history of something, you won't find out.
(43:47):
And that's kind of what blows my mind about a
lot of you know, some of my peers. You're not
to point fingers or say they're bad people or anything
that they don't do that. They'll just read a couple
of books about it and then and that's what they
and their whole opinion on it. And these are popular
books meant to be entertainment and things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Talking about that are involved in these subject matters at
least somewhat. But think about the poor schlub, you know,
who's not really into this subject matter. And you know
they so they'll here's some of this stuff. They think
they've learned something, and it's just all fluff. And then,
(44:28):
I mean, when you were talking a few minutes ago
about this idea, I was thinking revisionist history. You know,
is this a way to change the story to they're
ilk in a better light or sure something, or to
steer people away from something right, And it could be
(44:51):
finding the truth.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Could be something sensational too.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I mean, maybe somebody did find something that proves you know,
mayor Anian descent or bloodline, and they just the wrong
people found it and don't want you to see it, right,
And so this alternate story is made up to capture
the public's attention and popular like. And just a couple
(45:18):
of weeks ago, I had some young guy just you know,
yell virtually online, yelling and screaming at me because I
didn't believe Roslyn Chapel had North American images in it
that it could easily be explained in other ways. And
he just angered Yeah the corn and yeah, some of
the other plants that they point to. And people forget
(45:43):
that the Sinclair's are also Norwegian, like Henry Sinclair was
in line to be the King of Norway. He was
one of the possible people to be selected for example.
That's how closely related they were. So they weren't just
from frank Ants for example.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Uh, I mean, we know the Vikings made it to
lance A meadow in Newfoundland. So maybe if there is
North American imagery in Rosslyn Chapel, that's where it came from. Yeah,
so it doesn't have to be some templar, you know.
I mean, there's no record of Henry Sinclair. He lived
(46:25):
later than the Templars, all of it. It's just crazy
that they and then they then then it'll be oh,
the Templars existed in secret, you know, after they were
dissolved and all these things, and there's.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
No real proof of that.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
You know, people say, oh, the sheenon parchment or something
like that, but even if that exists, there's no evidence
of them, you know, being an organization, much less any
members of the Sinclair family even having been Knights Templar.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I mean, they Rosslyn chapels close to where.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It doesn't talk about where they were, or does it,
and where where they went you.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Know, Oh no, it's just the fact that these things
resemble North American plants, that's all.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And really they're very highly stylized.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
And look, you know, if you look at pictures of
the plants people claim they are.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, like this young.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Guy who's like, well, there's the actual botanist that says
it's true, and I'm like, yeah, there's probably a hundred
other ones that don't think it's true. You're only well,
you know, that's another thing. People cherry pick. They cherry
pick facts to support their thing, and I try not
to do that anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
About history. I mean, a botanist might look at something
and say, yeah, that looks like an ear of corn,
but how are they going to tie it into the
Knight's templar or not?
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Or you know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
That's why I'd say, if it's even true, it probably
has more to do with the Sinclair Scandinavian heritage than
it does with any Knights Templar.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So, I mean, in fact, later members of the Sinclair's
testified against the Knights Templar in some of their trials
in Scotland. So you know that the story of Bannockburn,
of the Knights Templar coming to the rescue and things
like that, there's nothing to substantiate any of that. I mean,
(48:28):
there were still active priories of the Knights of Saint
John or Malta you know, is referred to today there
that may have contributed something to the Battle of bannic Burn.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
You know, that's more likely.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Malta have more prominence in these stories than we've previously thought.
I mean, you always hear about the Templars, the Knights Templar,
Templar templar, Yes, but it seems to me like there's
something a little deeper and dark with the Knights of Malta.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, no, no, people ignore that because they still existed
during the colonial period, like when France would settle, you know,
they'd send Knights of Malta with you know, their Knights
of Malta in their navy, Knights of Malta in their army.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You know that they.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Actually still existed, so that you know, in the same
organization that had existed during the Crusades, they were. Even
their symbols are similar to the Knights Templar.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
One good example of that which is interesting that not
many people know about that I've talked about was in Jamestown,
in the grave of Captain Gabriel Archer, they found a
twelfth century silver reliquary that had a Holy Water ampuel
in it and bones. It was a little silver hexagonal
(49:56):
box and you can see it in the Archaeological museum
there today.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
So I found that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I mean, that's the kind of stuff they wish they
were finding at Oak Island, right. So I did a
background check on gap Captain Archer, and he was related
to two grand priors of the Knights of Malta or
the Knights of Saint John. He was a quote hidden
Catholic in the early sixteen hundreds at a time this
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was banned of course in England, and he rose to
even be a select ship captain of Queen Elizabeth and
James the First and he died in sixteen ten, but
somebody deposited this reliquary in his grave. And it's interesting
that he had these two from just a generation before
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him direct relatives. One was the Grand Prior of England
of the Knights of Saint John before Henry the eighth
band Policism in England, and the other one was the
Grand Prior of Ireland. And he also had another relative
that was the abbot of the Holy Cross Monastery in Ireland,
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which continued to operate throughout the Reformation, was never closed.
And he had another cousin that was a priest at
Santiago di Compostella. Oh, you know, the sepulcher of Saint
James is said to be so uh he did.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I'll spread another I'll spread another rumor, uh and another story.
Because Nicholas Haywood, who we interviewed for the movie Bloodline,
and he is purports to be a member and representative
of DIY of Zion. Uh he said something you know,
(51:58):
very similar. Uh, well, he said something about that Santiogo
the Compostella that he says that or he hinted that
who was in there was James the son of Jesus.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
That's a common theory. A lot of people have, not
Saint James.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Not James the brother of Jesus or whoever the names was,
but James the son of Jesus.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, well I've never heard that one.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Twenty years ago now, but.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, I've never heard that one.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
I've heard people theorize that it was his brother James
supposedly and not.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, that's James, brother of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
So both those stories are kind of far fetched as well,
if you will.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
But uh, don't know.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Again, and you know, it's a matter of faith, and
you know, one of their regrets I have is never
being able to do the pilgrimage thing there from France
to Santiago de Compostella. That's always fascinated with me, you know,
just just to go see and really get a feel
for what's going on there and experiencing that.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
But I mean Scottish people, well, you know a lot
of people don't.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Realize this, but all of the English kings named James
or Scottish kings were named after Saint James because of
this huge value of Santiago de Compostella that.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
They had and Saint James.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
That a lot of Scottish people would go by ship
there to a koruna on the coast there north of
Santiago de Compostella and do a pilgrimage from there, you know,
to the Sepulcher of Saint James. So even Robert the
Bruce's right hand man, Sir James Douglas was said to
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be a Knight of the Order of the Tomb, and
that refers to either being a Knight of Santiago or
a Knight of the Holy Sepulcher who also, during periods
when Jerusalem cann't be accessed by Christians, Santiago de Composcla
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became much more popular as a pilgrimage destination, and that
the Knights of the Holy Sepulcher even made their presence
known there as well.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
So the records do.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
Indicate that he was you know a lot of Scottish people.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Even I think I'm having a lock up on the name.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
But the James's friend, the author that passed away yeah,
the author.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, he I had.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
A conversation with him once and he told me that
he thought this that the Sinclair's were Knights of Santiago,
not Knights Templar.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
You know, did you ever ask him about that? He
might have, they might have had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I should, I will. I've been meaning to call him anyway.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
But I found that was very interesting in relation to
the story of the Battle of Teba where they brought
the heart of Robert the Bruce to Santiago di Compostella
first and two members of the Sinclair family accompanied Sir
James Douglas, and then he's famous for throwing the heart
ahead of him in battle and then dying in the
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battle against the Moors, you know, who returned the heart
of Robert the Bruce and the bodies of everything of
the slain knights, all from Scotland. And this was a
dying wish of Robert the Bruce, supposedly that his heart
be taken into battle again the Muslims, and he wished
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this to be in the Holy Land.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
But during that time, this is the you know, thirteen thirty,
I believe it was or later than that, long past
the time that Europeans had occupied the Holy Land, so
it wasn't even available to go. The only place to
fight against the Moor was in Spain at that time,
so yeah, that's why they went there. So that whole
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story relates to this concept as well.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
You know, of so much what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
We've gone from Mount Shasta to Santiago de Compostella exactly.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
And we've actually run out of time. So okay, you know,
run maybe a minute or so over. Do you have
any clothing remarks, and we'll take this back up again,
maybe in a couple of weeks or so.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Oh sure, yeah, I'll come back anytime and we can
talk more. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, we could go for hours, I'm sure. And
thanks for everybody.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, every time you start talking, it always triggers.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
Something for me and I think, oh yeah, this, that
or the other, and it's always so interesting. So I'm
hoping sure that's what the audience is doing too, Because
there are lots of gems in what court has to say.
You just got to pick them out and follow them yourself,
you know. We encourage you to confirm and corroborate everything.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, so that's what we're trying to do. So you guys,
take care. Thank you. Court. Maybe if you can have
a look at your schedule and maybe in a couple
of weeks come back on and let's care on if
you want to say more about Mount Shasta, and we
want to extract a promise from you right now, as
(57:48):
soon as you're able to share more information about what
we originally were going to talk about tonight, will you
come back and share it, of course any other radio.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
Show, of course. First, yes, don't worry about that.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
We'll come back on night Vision and blow everybody's minds because.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
I can promise you.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
This is proof, it's historical proof. This isn't just going
to be speculation. Okay, this is things I found that
prove my founding father's theory of Oak Island in a
big way. I mean, yeah, it's going to be hard
for some people to understand. And again I apologize to everybody.
(58:37):
Everybody that knows me knows I wouldn't just come on
here to tease you that. Yeah, there's real reasons I
just can't disclose anything right now. And I promise you
I'll be back and we'll cover it. And thanks for understanding,
and thanks for listening to me about how Mount Shasta
(58:59):
does have all these connections to you know, French erasotericism
and secret societies and even had these strange links to
the The man I point to has produced the Le
Formula document and Xena's map that are featured on the
Curse of Oak Island TV show.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeh, that's great. Well, thank you, Court, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Thanks for having me. I appreciate good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
Thank you Court staying here. Take care,
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, guys, welcome back to night Vision or if this
is your first time, welcome, I hope this is not
going to be your last time. We've got a great
show today, as Thomas. We have court Lyndall on with us.
He's one of the best historians in the genre that
we're all addicted to, that big overarching mystery that seems
(01:10):
to cover these other mysteries like Runless Chateau and Oak
Island and Dougborough Hall and all these things we've all
been kind of looking into, wondering about, and trying to
sort out what's true and what's not true. So we
do have court here as promised, but so that you
(01:32):
don't think we've pulled a switcheroo on you, we're going
to be talking about something a little bit different than
what you might have seen on our TikTok video. So
before I go any further, I'm going to let Court
come on and explain to you what we're going to
be talking about today, because it is very exciting and
(01:54):
it has to do with secret societies in which I'm
always all ears on.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey, Court, how are you?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Hello, everybody, Thanks for having me Renee. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And always you know that, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Always a pleasure to come here and chat with somebody
who knows what's going on. Well, well I wouldn't say
that about myself either, so don't worry. But as you
were saying, you know what, we all promised some new
revelations about Oak Island and we're going to have to
(02:31):
hold off on that for now for various reasons. And
I apologize, No, it's not going away, it's just being
developed further, and you know, for other reasons maybe I
can't talk about right now. And unfortunately, and I apologize,
(02:53):
I'm not faking it. It wasn't just a ployee to
get you all to watch, but really, what we're yeah,
what we're going to do here is relate Mount Shasta
to some of the mysteries in Europe and some of
the secret societies and some of the information that I've
(03:13):
spoken of recently about these formula document featured on the
Curse of Oak Island TV show and Zena's Map and
how I feel a man named Pierre Mariol was involved
in that. So we're going to, you know, give a
brief overview of Mount Shasta and what's going on there,
(03:37):
what the history there is, and then we'll take some
of the same characters that are involved there and show
you how this relates to other stories like Rainow Chateau
and cremona document and the way it relates to the
Oak Island story. So it's kind of an interlaced web
(03:59):
of information. And this does relate to the things that
I was going to talk about that I can't really
reveal right now. So again, I apologize to everybody for that.
And everybody out there that knows me or followed my
work knows that I don't bus around and this just
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wasn't appropriate right now to tell anyone about.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I apologize to everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I understand. I mean, it happens, it really does, and
Timing is always important, I think, and also you know,
if we're going to get the information anyway at some point,
then it doesn't matter what's today.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I mean, stay tuned.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It'll become obvious sooner or later, and everybody's mind is
going to be blown because this is some things that
are going to prove a lot of you know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
With historical facts.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, things I've been promoting as part of my theory
for years now.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, and so got court Land along with me. I
don't want to get to woo woo on anybody, but
maybe about thirty seconds ago when court was talking, something
flew right up here where right here. It just went up,
and I just wonder if anybody saw it. If they did,
maybe even coming.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Later, I saw it, did you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What it like?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I thought to myself, Oh, people are going to say
it was an orb or whatever exactly, but it did
look like a mot of dust to me.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
For real, It looked like a feather or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
An orb. It just looked like something went up.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Oh I saw something different.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It definitely could be dust, that's for sure. It's a
domestic goddess savior.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
You'll see something flying over Mountchhasta.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Behind me before the show's over, and that's probably what
it will be.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh my god, I've never had anything supernatural happen on
the show, and it's going to happen when courts on
when he wouldn't believe it anyway, Oh.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I might believe.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I'm not that that you know, much of a out
of it that if I experienced something myself, you know
that I wouldn't acknowledge that. I mean, I've talked about
weird things that have happened to me before, you know,
like when I was a kid, I lived in Turkey
for three years because my dad was in the Air Force,
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and there was this lake where we would go out fishing.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And I saw this huge lizard one.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Day, like a serpent that was like as big as,
you know, a smaller alligator, and nothing like that is
supposed to live there. And this thing moved through the
grass and hissed, you know, and it came out and
I was standing there with a fishing pole, and it
bared its teeth at.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Me, even.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Up my tackle box and fishing rod, and me and
my buddy just ran, you know, to where our fathers
were a couple of hundred yards away, So you know,
I'm not above. That was some weird thing, and of
course as an adult, I always remembered this and looked up,
are there any creatures that live in that part of
Turkey that are like that?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And they're not, you know, So yeah, that was kind
of weird.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And you know, another time I saw like it must
have been a meteor or something, but it was moving
like as slow as like when you see an airliner,
you know, flying, and it was on fire and chunks
of it were coming off and stuff, and it was
going horizontal almost like.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I watched this thing for.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Like three or four minutes because I was in the
mountain side above a valley camping, and that was bizarre too.
It was like flying almost, you know, is what it
seemed like, because it wasn't. It didn't have your directory
where it was going down. It was just going like that.
And I mean I watched it till it went out
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of sight and it was still going level at that
slow rate, like looking at an airliner or something. So
you know, I mean, I've had strange things happen too,
and I understand when people say that, and we'll get
to this later in our chat too. It's like when
things like this become a mania. Yeah, and certain people
(08:27):
started exaggerating this or that, and it becomes you know,
this is how kind of fake history happens as well.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I think I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Open minded, but I'm kind of, you know, a little concerned,
more conservative than a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So yeah, definitely, definitely. I kind of was adding to
that a little bit. And I think it was you Court.
One night when I came home from dinner or somewhere,
I got out of someone's car and I looked up
and all these things going through the sky, right. I
(09:01):
totally freaked out, you know, and I thought, I'm finally
witnessing what I've been talking about for years, you know,
on TV, on the radio, whatever, and now I'm having
an experience. And I believe I called you Court and
you said, no it starling.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, that's probably what I said it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Definitely, that's funny because that does freak a lot of
people out when they see it. I've seen it on
social media. People will post videos of it. Look what
I saw, you know, and so people are starting to
learn what that is now, and so they know, you know,
if if it's starlink, it's just this line of little
dot lights that go in alignment with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, I swear I thought, oh my god, that's
when it sort of first started. I guess they first
started launching them off or something.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Sure, and then you have those other I looked on.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
The internet lots of pictures of them, and I said, oh, yeah,
that's what I saw.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, they have those other rockets that release this aerosol
that puts this big plume around them that makes it
look very strange as well. That when they first started
doing those, people were freaking out about it until it
became kind of normal.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And now most people know that it's just a normal thing.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So yeah, exactly or explainable anyway, Maybe not normal, but
can be explained.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, yeah, what is normal anyway?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Deing into some of the mysteries of Mount Shasta. And
I'm sure most people know about Mount Shasta. It's up
in northern California. Is that considered northern California? I guess
it is.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Oh yeah, it's been far northern California. It's only like,
what forty miles from the Oregon border. It's not you
know it is, Yeah, it's I live in Chico and
it's about you know, three hours north of me. Even
though as the crow flies it's only like eighty five
miles away, it just takes a lot to get there,
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you know, Circuda's route, so to speak, get.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
From here to there. And you can even see see
it just from north of Chico too.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Wow, you know, so you a beautiful mountain, you know,
strong a lot of people, especially people of a metaphysical
or new age bent.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
For decades and understandable if it attracts people even who
don't feel like that, because it's just such a.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Natural you know, beauty here and place.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
It just calms you being there, and there's certain view
spots around there where you go and you just sit
there and look at it and just awe inspiring. So,
no matter what your beliefs are.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
In California all this long time, and I've never been
up there, would love to see it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh you need to make it. Sometimes I'm up there
and check it out, definitely.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And it seems like the village would be really cool
to hang out, you know, have a coffee and right, well,
yeah it's atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, it's legendary for that.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Or you hang out at the whole food store and
you know, people have stories and you know, if you
keep an eye on YouTube and word search Mount Shasta,
there's always people, you know, claiming to have met a
Lumurian or have to found the portal into the city
of Telos beneath Mount Shasta.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So there's reptilians in Mount Shasta.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Oh there anything you can imagine now at this point
has been spun up there.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I shouldn't say that. Yeah, there's people who believe it.
It's ended masters exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
And that's an interesting subject too, because you know, early on,
you know, I was saying I lived in Chico. The
founder of Chico made a trip to Mount Shasta with
his wife Andy Bidwell. This is John Bidwell, and they
were close friends with the name a man named John
Dalton Hooker. And there's a there used to be a
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very large oak tree here in Chico that they named
after him, which is kind of interesting because that's a Juridic,
you know, Celtic kind of tradition.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
And uh Hooker was like the brother in law of
Charles Darwin.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
You know, the revolution guy. And yeah, so so John
Bidwell was a correspondent and friend of his. So he
visited Chico two different times, and one of those times
they made a trip to Mount Shasta with John Muir,
the famous author and poet naturalist, I should say, and.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know, in John Muir's journal he states that, you know, J. D.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Hooker told us stories about his trips to the Himalayas
because he was a botanist. He had already traveled to
the Far East at that early date and been exposed
to the stories of Agartha and Shambalah, of the cities
beneath the Tibetan mountains, right, so he told them these
stories around the campfire, and how Mount Shasta reminded him
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of that those stories and reminded him of the Himalayas
because it's such this huge tall peak surrounded by I mean,
it's over eleven thousand feet high, and it's surrounded by
other mountains that are only like three thousand feet high.
So it's very striking how it lifts up out of
this you know nowhere. It's like a big pyramid, natural
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pyramid almost sort of. So that's the first mention I
could find of, you know, these comparisons to Tibetan concepts
with regard.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
To Mount Shasta.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And I thought it was fascinating because I'm a student
of Chico history too, you know. And you know John
Bidwell did establish an Axis Monday here in the city Plaza,
which he plowed a circle around, just like Constantine did
to establish the Royal District of Constantinople. The city Plaza
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aligns with his home, Bidwell Mansion, and then the main
street leading from there is called the Esplanade, which is
a Latin term for the flat open area near an
Axis Monday. So no one can really deny that's that's
what his intent was and what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So when do you see the term esplanade or esplanade,
that's what that means.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yes, that's the original meaning of it.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's it's it's like a sort of like what's the
forum the fora of Rome or in relation to axes
as well.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And you know, if you go to the other times,
it was like sporting venues like the Hippodrome and Constantinople
with the Egyptian obelists that was there are still there
actually adjacent to the Blue Mosque and the Hagia Sophia
and everything. So that was the Axis Monday of Constantine,
who had a palace there called the Daphne, which was
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name named after the Greek Arcadian mythological figure Daphne, who
turned herself into a laurel tree as Apaulo was trying
to rape her, and then herb the laurel tree subsequently
as a symbol of victory, you know, the laurel wreath
that they used to give out at the Olympics and everything.
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So within the Daphne Palace was a centrally located octagonal
room that served as an axis Monday as well. And
an axis Monday, you know, in playing terms, marks a
prime meridian or a place from which to measure from
in relation to the rest of the empire or other.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Cities and things like that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
So who often astronomical data would be collected there or
nearby and compared to other places where astronomical data was collected.
So it's interesting that Thomas Jefferson copied the design of
the Daphne in his construction of Monticello. And he was
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also noted by his mentor and professor Smalls as valuing quote,
personal meridians.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And that's a whole other show. But back to Mount Shasta,
that's kind.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Of like a natural access mondy I believe too, and
possibly Native Americans valued it that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Way, Jefferson had definitely some associations with some of these
families in when he went over when he spent time
in France. Sure, So is that how the connection was
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made or was he further involved?
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Well, I think he came by knowledge of this first
of all, No, before he went to Europe, because he
was a student at William and Mary and there's an octagoniant. No,
he went as a diplomat, but he knew about these
things from when he was a student at William and
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Mary because what is known as the Powder Magazine is there,
and that's an octagonal copy of the Tower of the
Winds of Athens, which is one of the earliest axes
Monday there is. And so the Governor Spotswood had built
that in seventeen fifteen, And so by the time Jefferson
went to college there he was kind of initiated into
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what this really means, means, what this structure is. And
so he was also distantly related to Phillip Sydney, who
I've written about before, who wrote a book called Arcadia
that has a story about a money pit in it
that is really similar to the Oak Island legend of
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the three young men finding the money Pit, and he
was related to Phillip Sidney via his namesake Thomas Randolph,
who was the brother in law of Sir Francis Walsingham,
and Sir Francis Walsingham's son in law was Philip Sidney,
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so they were family related but not blood related. So
it's obvious that Jefferson's mother's family valued Philip Sidney because
William Randolph, the second from his mother's family named his
estate in Virginia Wilton House, and that's the name of
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Mary Sydney Herbert, the Countess of Pembroke's home where Philip Sidney.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Wrote the book Arcadia.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
So there's all these obscure connections that do link, and
the Randolph family clearly had a value of all this
Shakespearean intrigue and things like this. Here we're going off
from Mount Shasta, but it is interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But they owned a copy of what is known as
The Together at.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Some point point another. Yeah, that's what's so crazy, And
that's what's so complex about this area of research is
because it will take you down rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
But it's clear that the so it's the go ahead makes.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
The Randolph's were definitely into all of that because they
owned a copy of what is known as the False
Folio of Shakespeare, and they're just as closely related to
the Lee family as well, you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Know, of Shakespeare.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
It came out before the first Folio, and it was
a compilation of certain plays, uh, you know, of Shakespeare
that was put out, you know, in one volume. So
that supposedly burned in a fire at the University of
Virginia after Jefferson, you know, the Randolphs had donated to
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there after Thomas Jefferson had established the UVA. So I
kind of doubt that story though, but there's so few
copies of it there. There's like no copies of it
existing anymore, and they were noted as having one, so
that a lot of you know, Shakespeare scholars and people
interested in those kind of mysteries, you know, uh, speculate
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whether it actually burned in the fire it was just
hidden away.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And it's kind of interesting too because I'm rel for that.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Book that relates to the story of the Brute and
Vault too in Williamsburg to where the you know, stash
of Sir Francis Bacon's papers is supposed to be. So
there's this mania in Virginia over all of that same
kind of stuff that lately, you know, people have tried
to apply to Oak Island in some regards as Sir
Francis Bacon Angle, you know of his papers being buried
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at Oak Island. So this are Yeah, that concept already
existed in Virginia for many, many years prior, you know,
with people who are into that kind of stuff. But yeah,
so that that does relate to you know, what we're
going to say about Mount Shasta, because the aspects we're
going to talk about are you know, how the Limurians
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and everything became associated with Mount Shasta. And I contend
that this is through connections to some of the European
secret societies. We involved in the Randless Chateau story and
the story of Oak Island, whether true or false, via
what is known as the Cremona document.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
So there's connections between all of.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
These places where people have tried to promote them as
being associated with a similar man in the Mountain mythology,
if you will, if you look at the stories of
you know, the progeny of Charlemagne, you know, Frederick Barbarossa,
there's all these stories of him being interred in a
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mountain somewhere in Germany with treasures in a library of
rare information and rare books and things like that. And
the story of Charlemagne is the same. You know that
that for example, the Coronation Gospels were found in his
tomb when it was opened up, and that later was
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a booking.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
His father a big figure in all this.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Million.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, yeah, his whole family is supposed to be of
Maravinian descent, so that kind of hooks us into the
the you know, mythology. Yeah, oh yeah, oh no, he's
he's He's definitely related through Clovis to the Maravinian bloodline.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh, there's no.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Doubt about that, not as directly as some of the
later claimants were or anything. His his family is famous
for usurping the French crown from the Maravinians, like Dagobert
the second and the two that came after him were
the legitimate ones, and he ended up with it just
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being kind of a distant cousin of theirs who wasn't
in line, you know, to get it. But it came about, Yeah,
it came about from his grandfather being the mayor of
the court, like the one who controlled all the money
and everything, and they gradually became more powerful than the
Maravindian kings who they who came to be viewed as
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weak and ineffectual and was just basically replaced by Pepin
and Charlemagne was his progeny. So they were related to Maravindians,
but they weren't from the direct line of the people
who were supposed to be the king who had made
this agreement with the Vatican that they were the Holy
Roman Emperors, so that title transferred to Charlemagne for the
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first time. You know, the same power and influence and
relationship to the Vatican. So it's an interesting story. Yeah,
and Charlemagne created his Axis Mondy too in the octagonal
form of the Acan Cathedral, which is it's basically Charlemagne
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was a big fan of Byzantine architecture, so he was
also so inspired by Constantine, just like Thomas Jefferson was
in many ways to value this concept of what a
prime meridian is. And of course we later see the
concept of a prime meridian being involved in the rainless
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Shataut story in the form of the Paris Meridian. There
you go, it's bound to happen every time.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm sorry, what a rookie mistake.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So that's what I keep.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Part of what's in my writing is what the prime
meridian means and how it's used in practical mapping. I mean,
you know, like the Paris meridian used to be the
zero point on all French maps, the zero longitude, and
now the rest of the world is basically accepted Greenwich, England.
You know, we made a worldwide standard as being the
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zero point. But all over time, like Constantine valued this
concept as well. It's obvious and uh, a lot of
spiritual overtones.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Uh like when did when did it become the Greenwich?
What when did it? It's funny because I was just
reading yesterday about something that sits on the past median
down in the Old Region. It's the town of Sayre
s e r R E S And I remembered that
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and then I did, fine that, yes it does sit
right on the meridian.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Yeah, well people do value that because over time it
became a spiritual you know, and and took on mystical
overtones and power overtones like lay lines and things like that.
Kind of that concept I think emerged from a value
of prime meridians in my studies because early on, you know,
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when I started to look into things. I looked into
and wrote about lay lines, and my conclusion was that,
you know, maybe those began as a practical application of
defining property or one city in relation to another, and
then people started aligning things to align with whatever had
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already been measured because it could be easily defined again.
So other people they're you know, no, court, that's not
what's going on. They'll say, it's energy, you know, their
spiritual energy in these lines and things, and that's why
people chose to live along it. And you know, that's
that speaks to you know, part of what I've gone
through in this genre of just being more practically oriented
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and looking for real facts, which angers a lot of
people in the end because it disputes their spiritual beliefs
in some cases. So that was a big thing for me.
I mean, I even have two books that I took
down for being for sale that espoused things that I
came to really not believe eve anymore. So that it's
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all related to this. And actually studying Mount Shasta was
one of the things that really tipped me off, you know,
where I said, oh man, look at all this and
that this is unverifiable, none of it can be historically proven,
you know, beyond people just believing it, which is fine.
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I'm not cracking on people who believe it. I understand
believe me. And but it led me to apply that
that kind to the other stories of Rainless Chateau, the
Beele Treasure, Oak Island, and sure as heck. I started
to come up with real historical solutions to some of
these things.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So that felt good.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, it does. When things clicked together, it's it's wonderful.
And you've made so many amazing connections. That's sort of
what you're known for in the community here.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Have But King, you just talk a little bit about
what do people believe about Mount Shasta, what are some
of the myths and are there any Native American connections?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, And that's really a good place to start, because
the Native myths later, you know, all of the later
things about a city under Mount Shasta and the Limurians
kind of relate to this Native myth of the Creator
taking a stone and drilling a hole in the sky
and all the pieces of the sky that fell down
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piled up and formed Mount Shasta, and he used he
hollowed out Mount Shasta and it was his home you know,
so that right there is very similar to what people
would later, you know, claim there's a city beneath Mount
Shasta that where the Limurians live. And it's also interesting
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too that even the legend of Bigfoot kind of comes
from the Shasta and went to Indian myths and legends.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Of the area.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That the creator's daughter mate it with the grizzly bear,
and so the progeny was a half grizzly half human creature,
and so that equates to Bigfoot to many people. And
that makes sense to me too, that you know, no
matter what you believe about Bigfoot, whether you believe it
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or not, that maybe the inspiration for whatever beliefs there
are of it came started there. So that's kind of
what later you know people, you know, Frederick Spencer Oliver
in the late eighteen hundreds, in the eighteen nineties wrote
a book called The Dweller on Two Planets, and that
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was the first one to claim there was a city
beneath Mount Shasta, and he would have a connections to
this character named Philos the Tibetan, and there's your Tibetan.
That's the next introduction of you know, this Tibetan imagery
of the cities beneath the mountains in Tibetan mythology and
beliefs you know, Agartha and Shambla or shangri La, if
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you will. So those concepts are now applied to Mount
Shasta after that time, and it just began to steam
roll from there to even where.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, Harvey Spencer Lewis, the.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Founder of the American American Roe Secruc Order or the
ancient mystical Order of the Rosy Cross known as Amorc
in some circles, wrote a book about Lemurians in Mount
Shasta two later in the nineteen thirties, and that kind
of took off, you know, leading to the concepts of
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the Ascended Masters and the you know, the ascended Masters
concepts started in Tibet. You know, that's where the ascendeds
are supposed to dwell, inside of a city, inside of
a mountain. So it's interesting that Harvey Spencer Lewis, you know,
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kind of was involved in this creation of these stories
at Mount Shasta that involved people living in a city
beneath the mountain. And as it turns out, you know,
Harvey Spencer Lewis had many connections to secret societies in Europe,
and a lot of people really don't know that before
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he even formed Amorc you know, the ancient mystical order
of the Rosy Cross. And this is where an amazing
link between Harvey Spencer Lewis and this information I've recently
revealed about Oak Island where there's an amazing connection and
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I'll have to explain.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's that You made the connection through the secret society?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yes, well, yeah, yeah, let me explain what's in Yeah,
let me explain. As part of my studies of Oak Island,
I looked at the what's known as the Cremona Document,
and fans of the Oak Island TV show will will
know that there's what's known as the le Formula document
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and Zena's Map which have the same handwriting on.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Them, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
So the let Formula document is kind of a explanation
of the symbols that are on what is known as
the ninety foot stone at Oak Island. But at the
bottom of it is a small notation that reveals that
it's an elegy to a man named mister Hayward and
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it was written in nineteen seventy eight when this guy
passed away and it's signed mary L. But where the
L is there's a behind it as well. It makes
that word either Maryel or Marin. And then the last
two lines of the notation refers to mister Hayward going
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towards the cemetery by the sea, which is a poem
by a Yeah, which is a poem by a man
named Paul Valeri who associated and this is from Holy Blood,
Holy Grail the book. He's mentioned in that book three
or four times as being associated with the Priory of Zion.
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So I took that information and studied it, and I
discerned that Maryell was likely a man named Pierre Mauriel,
who was involved in all of these esoteric orders, the
Martinist Order, the French Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, of the
Rosa Crucians, and in fact I found that he was
(35:55):
close friends with Harvey Spencer Lewis, and it even initiated
Harvey Spencer Lewis into the rows Acrusi philosophy and what
is known as the Old Tower of Toulouse. So later
I found even an article in the ros Accrusion Digests
(36:16):
from the nineteen fifties that Pierre Mariol had written an
article in there and talking about some of the same
symbols that are on the ninety foot stone at Oak Island.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So here I that the Tower of Toulouse that you're
talking about. Is that a real thing? And is that
still there.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
It's supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And I haven't been able to discern which tower it
is because there's like three or four of them there
that are noted. So I need maybe somebody there. Maybe
we can get Jay to check it out that which
one is referred.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
To as the quote old Tower.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
As the story goes, he was initiated and then returned
to the United States and founded the AMRC, and and
you know, the rest is history that he went on
to write this book about Mount Shasta, and you know
other stories that have rosa Crucian overtones at Mount Shasta,
like the legend of J. C.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Brown and everything. So it's to me it was just,
oh my god.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I found out all this stuff about Pierre Mariel, and
I really do believe that's who that notation is referring to,
or you know, was signed by. And then even the
poet Paul Valery whose poem is referred to in the notation,
was good friends with a man named Alexandra Saint Eves,
(37:48):
and this man was more prominent during the mid to
late eighteen hundreds, but he as well was a huge promoter.
He was the first one to come up with the
concept the ascended Masters, or what many people refer to
as the white Hats now living in a city beneath
(38:09):
a mountain in Tibet. So all of this is related
to each other in a weird way. That these people,
you know, being referred to in the book famous.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Book Holy Blood, Holy Grail in.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
The cremona document part that refers to Oak Island, and
then now you can see even how it affected the
myths and legends of Mount Shasta. So we're just seeing
this interrelated web of stuff. You know that after you
see that how it was done and how it's all related,
(38:45):
it may lead you to question some.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Of it a little bit more, you know.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I mean, like I said, again, I'm not cracking on
people who believe it, and I totally respect anybody's faith
or what they see as a spiritual matter, and if
they believe it, that's up to them and their right.
But it's just weird that we see all of these
secret societies kind of promoting these ideas. I think sometimes
for their own reasons. I think sometimes they'll take a
(39:12):
story like Rainless Chateau, you know, or Oak Island and
put their own spin on it for political reasons, nationalist reasons,
or you know, like the kind of you know motives.
Pierre Plantard, you know, claimed to have to return to
Maravinian to the throne of France. That that's kind of political.
(39:33):
We know he was involved in the you know things in.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
World War two and.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Associated with the Gaul, you know, political aspects of why
these stories might be promoted as well, or just to
promote and attract people to their specific secret society as well.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Was it true that their Plantard was involved with the
Beas government.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
You know, to me, I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
They they they frowned on freemasons, so if he was
a freemason, he would have had to have kept that secret.
You know, he did, you know, publish that magazine Van Cree,
I believe is how you pronounce it that supposedly had
coded information and some of the stories and a lot
(40:27):
of the stories and there were about you know, theosophy
concepts and New Age religions, just like the Nazis were
into Let's not forget that they believed in a city
beneath a mountain in Tibet as well as part of
their belief system, and believe that's where the Aryan race
emerged from, and they even sent people there to investigate that.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, they spent lots of time searching for these places,
in these certain objects that had you know, supposedly mystical qualities,
things like that, right, you know, the treasures of the
Temple of Solomon and things like that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
And that leads to the auto Iran story.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
You know that most rainless chattau fanatics are familiar with
who Autouran is too, so you know, he was searching
for the Holy Grail in the Languadoc and supposedly rains
chateaux and Monsignor and the cave systems and everything. So
that that's a fact that's not just made up, that
(41:33):
they actually did send people looking for such things.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, there was heavy you know, Nazi occupation in that area.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, and it's interesting that too.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
All of these stories oftentimes include a treasure, you know,
some kind, and you know that attracts people as well
to to you know, looking into it themselves, and then
they get exposed to the versions of history that these
people are promoting for whatever reason they want to or not.
(42:06):
And you know, that's you know, part of what I
started looking into. You know, I found myself promoting some
of these ideas like templars in America, you know, and
other just kind of what lay lines were and stuff.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And I came to not believe that myself because I decided.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
One day to look for real historical sources that said this,
and all I found was kind of a feedback loop
of somebody saying it and other people repeating it as fact.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
And oftentimes I try.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
To like that in this mystery, so many things that
I personally thought I knew as a fact and later
small example, the pre Saugni Air built the water channel,
and when that's so because he had all this money,
(43:02):
suddenly he.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Didn't, right, he turned out not to be true.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
That was after him and there you go, he didn't
build any roads. It's like, yeah, I thought things, I
thought those were facts. They're not.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Another thing, another you know, thought I've had about why things.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Go that way is to to hide whatever the real
truth is that the smoke screen story is created that
the public at large will you know, eat up and
you know that, well, the real unless you really look into,
you know, the real history of something, you won't find out.
(43:47):
And that's kind of what blows my mind about a
lot of you know, some of my peers. You're not
to point fingers or say they're bad people or anything
that they don't do that. They'll just read a couple
of books about it and then and that's what they
and their whole opinion on it. And these are popular
books meant to be entertainment and things like that.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Talking about that are involved in these subject matters at
least somewhat. But think about the poor schlub, you know,
who's not really into this subject matter. And you know
they so they'll here's some of this stuff. They think
they've learned something, and it's just all fluff. And then,
(44:28):
I mean, when you were talking a few minutes ago
about this idea, I was thinking revisionist history. You know,
is this a way to change the story to they're
ilk in a better light or sure something, or to
steer people away from something right, And it could be
(44:51):
finding the truth.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Could be something sensational too.
Speaker 4 (44:54):
I mean, maybe somebody did find something that proves you know,
mayor Anian descent or bloodline, and they just the wrong
people found it and don't want you to see it, right,
And so this alternate story is made up to capture
the public's attention and popular like. And just a couple
(45:18):
of weeks ago, I had some young guy just you know,
yell virtually online, yelling and screaming at me because I
didn't believe Roslyn Chapel had North American images in it
that it could easily be explained in other ways. And
he just angered Yeah the corn and yeah, some of
the other plants that they point to. And people forget
(45:43):
that the Sinclair's are also Norwegian, like Henry Sinclair was
in line to be the King of Norway. He was
one of the possible people to be selected for example.
That's how closely related they were. So they weren't just
from frank Ants for example.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Uh, I mean, we know the Vikings made it to
lance A meadow in Newfoundland. So maybe if there is
North American imagery in Rosslyn Chapel, that's where it came from. Yeah,
so it doesn't have to be some templar, you know.
I mean, there's no record of Henry Sinclair. He lived
(46:25):
later than the Templars, all of it. It's just crazy
that they and then they then then it'll be oh,
the Templars existed in secret, you know, after they were
dissolved and all these things, and there's.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
No real proof of that.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
You know, people say, oh, the sheenon parchment or something
like that, but even if that exists, there's no evidence
of them, you know, being an organization, much less any
members of the Sinclair family even having been Knights Templar.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I mean, they Rosslyn chapels close to where.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It doesn't talk about where they were, or does it,
and where where they went you.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Know, Oh no, it's just the fact that these things
resemble North American plants, that's all.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And really they're very highly stylized.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
And look, you know, if you look at pictures of
the plants people claim they are.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, like this young.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Guy who's like, well, there's the actual botanist that says
it's true, and I'm like, yeah, there's probably a hundred
other ones that don't think it's true. You're only well,
you know, that's another thing. People cherry pick. They cherry
pick facts to support their thing, and I try not
to do that anyway.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
About history. I mean, a botanist might look at something
and say, yeah, that looks like an ear of corn,
but how are they going to tie it into the
Knight's templar or not?
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Or you know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
That's why I'd say, if it's even true, it probably
has more to do with the Sinclair Scandinavian heritage than
it does with any Knights Templar.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So, I mean, in fact, later members of the Sinclair's
testified against the Knights Templar in some of their trials
in Scotland. So you know that the story of Bannockburn,
of the Knights Templar coming to the rescue and things
like that, there's nothing to substantiate any of that. I mean,
(48:28):
there were still active priories of the Knights of Saint
John or Malta you know, is referred to today there
that may have contributed something to the Battle of bannic Burn.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
You know, that's more likely.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Malta have more prominence in these stories than we've previously thought.
I mean, you always hear about the Templars, the Knights Templar,
Templar templar, Yes, but it seems to me like there's
something a little deeper and dark with the Knights of Malta.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, no, no, people ignore that because they still existed
during the colonial period, like when France would settle, you know,
they'd send Knights of Malta with you know, their Knights
of Malta in their navy, Knights of Malta in their army.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You know that they.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Actually still existed, so that you know, in the same
organization that had existed during the Crusades, they were. Even
their symbols are similar to the Knights Templar.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
One good example of that which is interesting that not
many people know about that I've talked about was in Jamestown,
in the grave of Captain Gabriel Archer, they found a
twelfth century silver reliquary that had a Holy Water ampuel
in it and bones. It was a little silver hexagonal
(49:56):
box and you can see it in the Archaeological museum
there today.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
So I found that fascinating.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I mean, that's the kind of stuff they wish they
were finding at Oak Island, right. So I did a
background check on gap Captain Archer, and he was related
to two grand priors of the Knights of Malta or
the Knights of Saint John. He was a quote hidden
Catholic in the early sixteen hundreds at a time this
(50:26):
was banned of course in England, and he rose to
even be a select ship captain of Queen Elizabeth and
James the First and he died in sixteen ten, but
somebody deposited this reliquary in his grave. And it's interesting
that he had these two from just a generation before
(50:49):
him direct relatives. One was the Grand Prior of England
of the Knights of Saint John before Henry the eighth
band Policism in England, and the other one was the
Grand Prior of Ireland. And he also had another relative
that was the abbot of the Holy Cross Monastery in Ireland,
(51:14):
which continued to operate throughout the Reformation, was never closed.
And he had another cousin that was a priest at
Santiago di Compostella. Oh, you know, the sepulcher of Saint
James is said to be so uh he did.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I'll spread another I'll spread another rumor, uh and another story.
Because Nicholas Haywood, who we interviewed for the movie Bloodline,
and he is purports to be a member and representative
of DIY of Zion. Uh he said something you know,
(51:58):
very similar. Uh, well, he said something about that Santiogo
the Compostella that he says that or he hinted that
who was in there was James the son of Jesus.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
That's a common theory. A lot of people have, not
Saint James.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Not James the brother of Jesus or whoever the names was,
but James the son of Jesus.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, well I've never heard that one.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Twenty years ago now, but.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah, I've never heard that one.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
I've heard people theorize that it was his brother James
supposedly and not.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, that's James, brother of Jesus.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
So both those stories are kind of far fetched as well,
if you will.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
But uh, don't know.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
Again, and you know, it's a matter of faith, and
you know, one of their regrets I have is never
being able to do the pilgrimage thing there from France
to Santiago de Compostella. That's always fascinated with me, you know,
just just to go see and really get a feel
for what's going on there and experiencing that.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
But I mean Scottish people, well, you know a lot
of people don't.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Realize this, but all of the English kings named James
or Scottish kings were named after Saint James because of
this huge value of Santiago de Compostella that.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
They had and Saint James.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
That a lot of Scottish people would go by ship
there to a koruna on the coast there north of
Santiago de Compostella and do a pilgrimage from there, you know,
to the Sepulcher of Saint James. So even Robert the
Bruce's right hand man, Sir James Douglas was said to
(54:02):
be a Knight of the Order of the Tomb, and
that refers to either being a Knight of Santiago or
a Knight of the Holy Sepulcher who also, during periods
when Jerusalem cann't be accessed by Christians, Santiago de Composcla
(54:23):
became much more popular as a pilgrimage destination, and that
the Knights of the Holy Sepulcher even made their presence
known there as well.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
So the records do.
Speaker 4 (54:36):
Indicate that he was you know a lot of Scottish people.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Even I think I'm having a lock up on the name.
Speaker 4 (54:47):
But the James's friend, the author that passed away yeah,
the author.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, he I had.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
A conversation with him once and he told me that
he thought this that the Sinclair's were Knights of Santiago,
not Knights Templar.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
You know, did you ever ask him about that? He
might have, they might have had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
I should, I will. I've been meaning to call him anyway.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
But I found that was very interesting in relation to
the story of the Battle of Teba where they brought
the heart of Robert the Bruce to Santiago di Compostella
first and two members of the Sinclair family accompanied Sir
James Douglas, and then he's famous for throwing the heart
ahead of him in battle and then dying in the
(55:41):
battle against the Moors, you know, who returned the heart
of Robert the Bruce and the bodies of everything of
the slain knights, all from Scotland. And this was a
dying wish of Robert the Bruce, supposedly that his heart
be taken into battle again the Muslims, and he wished
(56:03):
this to be in the Holy Land.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (56:06):
But during that time, this is the you know, thirteen thirty,
I believe it was or later than that, long past
the time that Europeans had occupied the Holy Land, so
it wasn't even available to go. The only place to
fight against the Moor was in Spain at that time,
so yeah, that's why they went there. So that whole
(56:26):
story relates to this concept as well.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
You know, of so much what's going on here.
Speaker 4 (56:33):
We've gone from Mount Shasta to Santiago de Compostella exactly.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
And we've actually run out of time. So okay, you know,
run maybe a minute or so over. Do you have
any clothing remarks, and we'll take this back up again,
maybe in a couple of weeks or so.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Oh sure, yeah, I'll come back anytime and we can
talk more. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah, yeah, we could go for hours, I'm sure. And
thanks for everybody.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, every time you start talking, it always triggers.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
Something for me and I think, oh yeah, this, that
or the other, and it's always so interesting. So I'm
hoping sure that's what the audience is doing too, Because
there are lots of gems in what court has to say.
You just got to pick them out and follow them yourself,
you know. We encourage you to confirm and corroborate everything.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Yeah, so that's what we're trying to do. So you guys,
take care. Thank you. Court. Maybe if you can have
a look at your schedule and maybe in a couple
of weeks come back on and let's care on if
you want to say more about Mount Shasta, and we
want to extract a promise from you right now, as
(57:48):
soon as you're able to share more information about what
we originally were going to talk about tonight, will you
come back and share it, of course any other radio.
Speaker 3 (58:03):
Show, of course. First, yes, don't worry about that.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
We'll come back on night Vision and blow everybody's minds because.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
I can promise you.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
This is proof, it's historical proof. This isn't just going
to be speculation. Okay, this is things I found that
prove my founding father's theory of Oak Island in a
big way. I mean, yeah, it's going to be hard
for some people to understand. And again I apologize to everybody.
(58:37):
Everybody that knows me knows I wouldn't just come on
here to tease you that. Yeah, there's real reasons I
just can't disclose anything right now. And I promise you
I'll be back and we'll cover it. And thanks for understanding,
and thanks for listening to me about how Mount Shasta
(58:59):
does have all these connections to you know, French erasotericism
and secret societies and even had these strange links to
the The man I point to has produced the Le
Formula document and Xena's map that are featured on the
Curse of Oak Island TV show.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeh, that's great. Well, thank you, Court, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (59:23):
Thanks for having me. I appreciate good talking to you.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
Thank you Court staying here. Take care,
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