Cort Lindhal

Cort reveals how he established a connection between secret society, the Priory of Sion of Rennes-le-Chateau and Da Vinci Code fame, to the mysteries of Oak Island.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hey, everyone, how are you good? To see you all tonight?
Else I can't really see you, I can imagine that
you're out there hopefully listening and watching. I'm excited about
tonight's show. Got an all colleague and friend that's coming
back on to share some brand new research, So that
is always a good thing. And someone can come up

(01:10):
with some new answers to add to the conversation, to
spur on all the rest of us out there that
are digging through all the mysteries of history and just
trying to figure out what our ancestors were up to. So,
without further delay, I'm going to bring on my guest tonight, author,

(01:32):
researcher and television finality Court Lindell. Hey, court.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Hey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Share some new info here, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I know, I'm you know, I'm excited about it. I
know a little bit about it because we've been talking
a little bit behind the scenes. But there is so
much information that you know, we were talking ahead of
the show. What we'll do is we'll we'll focus on
a certain area tonight and then we're going to have

(02:08):
to have you back on. And I'm thinking, you know,
maybe we'll do a little series of shows getting through
this material and then maybe by the time we get
through all that, I know there's more to reveal. Maybe
by that time that information will be freed up as well.
So you're not telling at all, but you are tellingly

(02:32):
looking forward to it. So it seems to me like
I mean, of course, we're talking about everybody's favorite subjects,
Oak Island and Renal Chateau, the priory of land, and
what you've done is you have discovered connections among those

(02:53):
three that are pretty much indisputable within a particular document
that a lot of Oak Island buffs and when the
Chata Buffs for that matter, are familiar with and have
heard of so can you just shed some light on
it for us?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Sure? You know, on the Curse of Oak Island of
TV show, they talk a lot about Zeno's map, which
is part of what is known as the Cromona Document material,
and there's, you know, a big debate. A lot of
people think the Kromona document is totally authentic and other

(03:34):
people kind of take it as it was meant as
a kind of Masonic quest or you know, a lesson
to be learned that that was laid out and planned
for those reasons. So what we have is somebody inferring
that the priory of Zion is also involved with the

(03:55):
Cromona Document and the Oak Island story. And I discovered
this from examining a part of the Cremona document known
as the let Formula document mm hm, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
When you talk about Zena, we're talking about Xena Halper, who.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, Xena Halper, who wrote the book with the Templar
Quest for Oak Island I think is the name of it. Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
She I don't think she knew exactly what she had,
you know, but it certainly uh has become something for
everybody to chew on.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
And now the map is prominently featured on the show
all the time making you know, there's lots of clues
and conclusions that they're making, you know, with regard to
that map, and this let Formula document was found with
the map when it was found in the you know,
sealed into the end page of a book. As the

(05:00):
story goes that Xena tells in her book how she
and Don Rue found the map in the endpaper of
a book hidden and the La Formula document was included
with that. And the La Formula documents also interesting because
there's a little notation on it that says it was
once owned by a man named Tim McGinnis, who is

(05:25):
related supposedly to Daniel McGinnis, one of the original three
young men of the Oak Island Story. So the the
Formula document does refer to the Oak Island story. It
has a picture or a drawing of the same code
that's on the fabled ninety foot stone that was supposedly

(05:47):
found at the bottom of the money pit in the
early eighteen hundreds had a code on it that said
forty feet below there's more treasure, or something to that effect.
So it's interesting thing that the symbols used in that
code resemble Martinist symbols and coded symbols as well. And

(06:10):
we're talking the Martinist Masonic Order that was very popular
in France. That even many indications are that Father Sonier
of the Rainless Chateau story was a member of the
Martinist Order. According to a lot of sources, they say
a Martinist ceremonial caller was found in his belongings and

(06:33):
he associated with people at sonsel Peace and other people
in the esoteric circles of Paris at the time that
were members of the Martinist Order as well, including you know,
reported members of the Priory of Zion like Claude Debussy
and others. You know, who is the grand master.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
That are you talking about? The composer Claude wc.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yes, who was supposedly one of the grand Masters of
the Priory of Zion at one point. So he ran
in those circles, you know, father Sonia did.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It's interesting that the symbols on the ninety foot stone
and consequently the left Formula document resemble Martinus symbols, and
there's lots of examples of those in the videos I
made about all of this on YouTube that you all
can watch and see the pictures of But if we
look at you, I.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Heard these stories about Abbe Sonia, the Priesttau going to
Paris and spending time and that he was, you know,
part of this you know Paris Esselteer society that you
know obviously including people like w C and and uh

(07:52):
maybe Maria Colbay who was yeah exactly and was rumored
then to have been in a relationship with with bears
a stone here. But and then there was that stone
that was found near Rentless Chateau that was had the

(08:14):
heart carved into it, and.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
It was like, right, there are lots of rumors about
those two.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I believe that was fake.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's I think it's possible in this story. And that's
another thing you you kind of have to accept as
you look at all the evidence, all the twists and turns,
and you know, was the Priory of Zion a real
entity or was it made up later to match an
older organization that was of the same name and things

(08:44):
like that. So there's lots of pitfalls in the whole
story and reasons you could change your theory or what
you were thinking about it. And the same goes for
the Oak Island story. And that's what's compelling about this
is what we're about to see is a link between
the two stories that's being promoted via the La Formula document. Now,

(09:04):
besides the coded portion of the ninety footstone, the Lea
Formula document also includes a small notation at the bottom
of it that it was ignored by anyone else who
I've seen that's analyzed the document, so that their information

(09:27):
is seemingly innocent and doesn't really mean anything unless you
were well schooled in kind of the nature of what's
exposed in the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail. And that's
how I recognized it, because I had read the book
many times, you know, and looked up a lot of

(09:47):
the names mentioned to be associated with the priory and
became familiar with those people as well.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Now what a minute, now, you read Holy Blood, Holy
Grail many times.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Iams, probably at least ten times.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh my god, it's so hard. You know, I don't
know if you know who, you probably do know who
Professor Robert Eisenman is.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's the guy.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
He's the guy. He was a professor at here in
out in California and at Oxford, and he's the guy
that snuck out the photographs of the Dead Sea Scrolls
out of Israel and published them way back when. Then
he was like forbidden to return to Israel for a

(10:40):
long time, but then they later loved it. But I'll
never forget when he introduced me to Michael Budget, one
of the authors of Holy Blood Holy Gril. Michael was
out here in Los Angeles working with me and my

(11:01):
partner Bruce bridges On. We were developing a show and
we went out to dinner one night with Robert Eisenman
because agent were good friends. Eisaman was, I don't know
if you remember the story, but I think it was
in the eighties. They took a crew from the A

(11:22):
and E Channel out to rentals Chateau and they surveyed
the church with you know, ground penetrating radar or something,
and saw that there were these, you know, like tomb
shaped or body shaped cavities, and then they dug down
into the tour Magdala until they hit something wooden and

(11:46):
then mayor may stop and leave. So they never found
out what was there. But Robert Eisenman said, of Holy
Holy Grail, he said, it's a penitential read. And I thought,
what a perfect description. It is a tough book.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, there's lots so much information in it, you might
want to read it more than once if you really
want to, you know, dig in and get a feel
for what's going on with regard to all the people involved.
And that's how I was able to recognize what was
important about this small note at the bottom of the

(12:27):
formula document. Yeah, this note was basically just an elegy
to a man named mister Hayward, where it references, you know,
with great sadness and affection we you know, lament the
passing of mister Haywards, something to this effect. It's all
in French, and you know, with great regret he goes

(12:51):
to the cemetery by the sea. And then it signed
Marie or Mary l. At the bottom. You can tell
that there's like an L there that was more faintly
put after the E, so I recognize the Cemetery by
the Sea is a poet a poem by a man

(13:12):
named Paul Valeri, who is mentioned in Holy Blood Holy
Grail at least three times. Is being associated with the
Priory of Zion during the Claude Debussy area era and
the earlier era of Papists and the Martinist Order. This

(13:32):
kind of Golden age of esoterica in France, that you
know when father Saigner lived as well, that all of
these people were associated with him, possibly as well. So
it's interesting that that poem was even referenced in there.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Do you think that part of the of the story
or the legend is true that he really was a
sconced in this sort of esoteric society of Paris or is.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
That just is I think there's too much evidence is true,
and especially if he was part of the Martinist order,
as is indicated that they were kind of the cutting
edge of of all of that kind of theosophy, and
you know new age thought that was prevalent that even
led to the later interest in it that the Nazis had.

(14:22):
So it wasn't that Yeah, this was pretty normal during
that period of time, but it wasn't normal for a
Catholic priest to be involved. But given you know what
happened to him, what he discovered, or what he got
himself involved in, it's not too surprising if you take
the alternate view that you know, he was working with

(14:44):
the group maybe the Priory of Zion that was dedicated
towards promoting the Maravinian bloodline as being the legitimate monarchs
of France, so you know that's the priory of Zion.
One of their purposes was.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
There, you know, I know that the nearby city of Limoud,
there was a huge group of different orders that were
stationed there, which is kind of unusual. And if I'm mistaken,

(15:24):
there was a Martinist order at that time that was
stationed there for like a the return in the Moud.
Do you know if that had any connection. Was Sonia
connected with that group? Did you find any markets connection.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
In the region. I didn't get that deep into it
after I discovered all of this that so connections to
that are just things that I've read and referenced from
other people's work and investigations that they feel that he
was part of that. And one of the biggest pieces

(16:05):
of evidence, as I said, was that Martin as ceremonial
caller was found in his belongings. So and at that
time it's not unusual. There were all kinds of different,
uh you know, esoteric groups, some of them even Christian oriented,
other ones Masonic, you know, Rosicrucian, A M O.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
R C.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
And things like that. And I'm getting to connection to
the A m O R C or the Ancient Mystical
Order of the Rosy Cross as well, because you know,
back to the let Formula document, the notation there mentions
the Cemetery by the Sea, a famous poem by Paul

(16:48):
Valary that you know, in turn, he's associated with all
these priory members that we can almost assume he was
a member or an associate in the same kind of
scene that Sonier was associated with. But the signature at
the bottom is interesting because it's Marie and I like

(17:10):
looked at a lot of different people, who is it spelled.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Is it spelled m A R I E? And then
there's a L.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, so mary El or Marie. So I found somebody
who was a Martinist who was friends with Paul Valery
that was part of the same circle of people, a
man named Pierre Mariel that what was a journalist of
the era. He'd written, like you know, almost thirty books

(17:44):
on esoteric subjects, including many of the subjects included in
the Cremona document that he had written entire books about that.
He had several pen names. He was a member of
the Martinist Order of the French Scottish Rite of the

(18:06):
Ancient mystical Order of the Rosie Cross. He was personal
friends with Harvey Spencer Lewis, for instance, who was the
founder of the American branch of AMORC. And it's interesting
I even found an article written by Pierre Mauriel that
was in the Roe Secruci magazine that was discussing some

(18:27):
of the same symbols that are present on the ninety
foot stone that are Martinus symbols that I pointed out before.
So Pierre Mariol is a great suspect to be the
Mariel who is referenced at the bottom of that little
notation there. And he also associated with members of the

(18:51):
Priory of Zion and some of the other groups that
we're discussing.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Here in that document where you know, just a cemetery
by the sea, do you think they're talking about an
actual place or is it just an idea or a
concept that they're trying to point toward.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
And if you do think there is an actual cemetery
it refers to and yes, and it's it's where Paul
Valeria is buried. And it's interesting. I always always check,

(19:32):
you know, the find a grave, you know, things that
have pictures of the tombstones and everything and somebody had
left a stone with a circumpunked on it on top
of his tombstone. So that's a circle with a dot
in the middle of it, and that's another Martinus symbol.
That's another symbol that's on the ninety foot stone at

(19:55):
Oak Island as well, So that was kind of a
freaky little find there one I finally identified his gravestone
there at the cemetery by the Sea.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I've seen that symbol on priory documents that you know,
we're shared with us by Nick Haywood that had you know,
various seals and things, but certainly that was one thing
that would see often, was the circle with the dot
in the middle.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Right, that's a pretty you know, common esoteric symbol used
in a lot of different codes and different contexts, including
Egyptian hieroglyphics. But it's interesting that it ended up being
associated with Paul Valery's grave as well. And as a
little side note here, you know a lot of people

(20:45):
who follow me see that I've pointed out lots of
like weird hidden things in the movie the Da Vinci Code. Right,
you know, chat Vallette is where Jefferson and Franklin met
with Roche for cold and literary salon. You know, Bezoo.
The name of the cop is the name of the
templar fortress.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I pointed out that Lenn Picnic and Clive Prince were
in the bus scene, the Apope bus scene in there,
and there's a lot of character. What's that Lee?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Did you point out that Lee Tubing in the film
t being uh, Well, Lee Teebing is an anagram of
uh Richard Lee and beagent, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And then all of little things like that.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
And then the man himself was a white haired man
who walked with a cane, which at that time Henry
Lincoln was doing. So the Lee Tbing character was supposed
to be an amalgamation of the three authors of Holy
Blood Holy Grail.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Sure, there's a Debussy concert poster at the temple church scene.
You know, it goes on. And I know what's interesting
is is the actor who plays Jacques on here in
the Da Vinci code is name Pierre Mariel, just like

(22:14):
the same name as the man that I'm saying is
responsible for that notation. Now, it's not the same person.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
His real name though, the guy's name is Peter Mario.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, Pierre Mariol. The name of the actor.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's about his wild as that our our editor on
Bloodline's name was Dan Brown.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Well there you going that he was in the movie,
and I come up with, you know, association with that name.
So that's just a wild coincidence. But Pierre Mariol is
a really interesting character. He was like supposed to be
a resistance fighter during World War Two. There's every chance

(22:58):
that he was associated with, you know, Pierre Plantard or
new him or new Robert Rocheflcold, one of the most
famous French resistance fighters of World War Two. It's part
of the the rochef Cold family that's also really part

(23:18):
of the story of Rainless Chateau as well. They're directly
related or descend it from Sigi Bear for you know,
of course you in turn is descend it from Dagobert
the Second. So the roche for Cole family is Maravinian
as well, and they're related to all of the main
families that are related to Dagobert the Second, including the

(23:43):
de la Tour family, Lusignand family, the Plantard family, the
Plantagenets and so on, So they're one of those families too.
So that's one reason it's interesting that they're so prominently
featured in their name is on Za's map that's featured
on the Curse of Oak Island show, and other aspects

(24:06):
of the mystery overall, such as the don V expedition
that may have deposited a treasure on Oak Island. So here,
as I was like emphasizing before, we have this piece
of evidence here on the lift formula document that infer
somebody is telling us that the Priory of Zion is

(24:26):
involved in the Oak Island story. Okay, and they're using
similar names in imagery that only somebody who was conversant
in these things, like me from reading the book so
many times that I would recognize the name of that
poem who wrote the poem and then figure out who

(24:47):
Pierra Mariel was at the end. And sure, as heck,
I mean, every step I went along here of studying
the Martinist order, it all fit that they were the
ones at least promoting this idea, or that they were
the ones behind the entire cremona document in my opinion,

(25:09):
and association with the fabled Priory of Zion. So I mean,
there's more evidence too that links these two stories together
that I've recently found out just from reading a few
books like this. Information's been out there since nineteen eighty four,

(25:30):
and I just came across the fact that, you know
that Lincoln Pagent and Lee's follow up book, The Holy
Blood Holy Grail, entitled The Messianic Legacy, pretty much tells
you who they believe has Sonner's parchments, what organizations were
involved and associated with the Priory of Zion. They come

(25:54):
to conclusions, and it was kind of interesting to me
when I found this book that most of the fans
of the mystery, you know, or of the story totally
neglect reading this book, and it kind of answers a
lot of questions. And one of the major things that
I noted in it was that there's an Italian free

(26:16):
Masonic lodge, or used to be one, called Propaganda Due
or P two that's famous for the quote Vatican Banking scandal.
We're not going to really get into that, but we're
going to get into their interest in the Priory of
Zion and the Coromona Document because in the narrative that

(26:37):
Donald Rue tells and Xena Halpern with regard to the
Cromona Document that the Propaganda Due, headed by one Bishop
Marcinkus of a Bishop of the Church, ended up purchasing
the Coromona Document from William Jackson and had a hand

(27:00):
and searching for parts of it prior to that. They
had a great interest in what was going on with that.
So in the Messionic Legacy, the Lincoln Agent in Lee book,
they squarely supply they supply proof that p. Two is
also includes members of the Priory of Zion and members

(27:24):
that are Knights of Malta that are also members of
the Priory of Zion. So there's already documented, solid proof
linking these two stories together that no one else has
ever pointed out before that involves the propaganda due Masonic
Lodge and you know their interest in the Cremona Document

(27:48):
and their interest in the Rainless Chateau story with with
you know, I mean Bangent Lincoln and Lee pointing out
with proof that their members of the Priory that are
part of that organization. So if they're involved in promoting
the Oak Island story, just like the rain Gette story

(28:11):
or the Cremona document story, then there's a common ground
there that they're you know that these stories of relics
being brought to Oak Island are a direct result of
the priory of their assertation or claims that they have

(28:34):
the Temple Treasure for instance, or items included in the
Arma Christi or the Arms of Christ, relics from the
Passion of Christ, like the Veil of Veronica and other pieces.
So it's it's also interesting that the Knights of Malta
are involved. I mean that is who they say owns

(28:54):
the parchments that Sognier found, that they were the ones
who ended up with the parchments, the Knights of Malta
or what their associations as what they say happened, and
they say those members that were involved in that are
also Priory of Zion members. So that that's kind of

(29:15):
the bombshell I have for us all you know this
time and details that at least somebody is trying to
link Island, the Priory of Zion, the Cremona Document, and
Rainless Chateau into one narrative, into one continue one story

(29:38):
that includes all of these. Now, is this the modern priory,
you know, crafting a tale for their own reasons, or
are they acting on knowledge that comes from the older
original priory that there's records of actually having existed during

(29:59):
the Crusades and for some time after do you feel that.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Okay, let's take the you know, the Knights Templar for instance.
We know they really existed as a real order. There's
you know, plenty of documentation, and then we know now
that there are lots of you know, templar groups around
the world that you know, claim relationship to the original order.

(30:32):
Me it feels like, uh, they're just reconstituting or trying
to reconstitute something. But there wasn't a continuous line there
between the Templars of of your and.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
A good point, right, So the ones, the ones that
have a continuous line are the Knights of Malta. Yeah, yes,
they were never disbanded or anything.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is there a continuous line? Can we show a continuous
line of the praiority of Zion or is that like
another templar situation where we can up to a point
and then it sort of flades out and then it
comes back again, sort of reconstitutes itself. You know, what

(31:22):
is what's original?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
In Holy Blood Holy Grail they point out how it
kind of faded away by the fifteen hundreds, but then
it would kind of revived again in about sixteen twenty
and then later on at the end of the eighteen
hundreds another kind of revival where people discovered this concept.
Maybe it was just well hidden or neglected that somebody

(31:50):
found out there was an actual one and patterned a
new organization based on the old one. But it's interesting
what you pointed out about the newer templar groups, because
there's the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem
that today is one of the more popular, you know,

(32:14):
templar groups that people join. That's not it's not part
of freemasonry. It's a it's a totally separate order. But
in the Messianic legacy. The authors point out that the
Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem has priority
of Zion members included in their organization as well, and

(32:39):
especially the chapter of it in Zion Switzerland kind of
broke away from the main group of that organization and
may be involved in some of this intrigue as well
or the propagation of these stories somehow. Now, the Sovereign

(33:01):
Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem is different than
the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, which is part of
the Vatican, So this is this is not the SMAM
S m o M. It's the sovereign military order. It's different,
it's a different templar group. The other group is obviously

(33:24):
associated with the Vatican and the Knights of Malta, not
the Knights Templar as well. But that's interesting of the
association of the Knights of Malta too because we see
them having been active in all of the colonial era
in which something could have been deposited on Oak Island

(33:47):
and they were still in existence and they there's even
interesting stories that you know, the Knights of Malta used
to own five Caribbean islands, including Saint Croix, that when
they lost ownership of those islands, some of the administrators
were sent to Nova Scotia to work. And along with

(34:10):
these Caribbean islands, there's lots of stories and legends of
relics being taken there to be hidden and stored. So
there is a rationale that when they had to leave
the Caribbean islands that some of these things could have
been brought to Nova Scotia or Lower Canada and used

(34:32):
in the churches there or hidden for whatever reason. What
is interesting too is I found even in colonial Virginia
there were these connections between what is known as the
Archer reliquary, that was an actual twelfth century reliquary found
in the grave of Captain Archer who died in sixteen ten.

(34:57):
And he was a hidden Catholic. And as I looked
into his family background, two of his uncles were Knights
of Malta, with one of them being the Grand Prior
of England and the other one the Grand Prior of Ireland.
So those are like the grand masters of those countries

(35:18):
that you know, there's a pathway for a story saying
that that reliquary that was found that had bones in
it and a lead of holy water Ampuel in a
little silver hexagonal box, that that could have been originally
one of these treasures that I'm discussing. So it's even

(35:43):
doubly interesting later that the man who is the root
of the Beele family in Virginia, a man named Thomas Beale,
lived on Saint Croix before he moved to Virginia. Oh
and not only that he was a Knight of Malta,

(36:04):
Thomas Treasure, he was a Knight of Malta as well. No, yes,
because he was a cavalier bodyguard of Charles the First
during the English Civil War, and prior to that he
was a soldier of fortune on the continent where he
had become a Knight of Malta. So there are some

(36:27):
English Knights of Malta, even though Catholicism was banned in England,
ones that were mercenaries or that took positions in the
militaries of other countries. So Thomas Biel is one of
those rare Englishmen who also became a Knight of Malta,

(36:47):
came to Virginia and his family became the root of
the biggest treasure legend there as well. And that's another
story for the next episode that I'm on, because there's
lots of indicatations that there's connections between the Beal Treasure
and Oak Island as well.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
You know, it's so strange, I mean, or maybe not,
I don't know, but and I do love the you know,
the the Knights, template, the history of of them, everything
I can find out. I think they're wonderful, you know,
less so the Knights of Malta. And I think that's

(37:28):
true across the board. It's like we do, you know,
generally give a lot of attention, you know, people people
know the term Knights Templar. Not everybody even knows about
the Knights of Malta, right, maybe that's by design, now
maybe kind.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Of like kept that way and promoted that way. I
mean exactly when you consider that, you know, the Knights
of Malta or Knights of Saint John, we're given all
the Templar proper, they were given all of the relics
that the Templars possessed, I mean, and that's what most
of these stories are centered on. So that that, you know,

(38:12):
could be the really the only connection to the quote
Knights Templar and all these stories or their association with
the Knights of Malta, you know, because every every turn
in this story, and they're the development of colonial France,
I mean involved Knights of Malta, you know, administering, being

(38:35):
part of the military that that supported their operations. So
and the same goes with Spain with their military orders
Calatrava and you know, the the and Knights of Santiago.
We're all involved in their colonial efforts. And to me,
it's easy to see where where that led to a

(38:57):
lot of these assumptions people have that Knights Templar were
involved because the similarity in the symbols they used, and
you know the fact that they're knighthoods and things like that,
that people really just have this want or need for
the Knight's templar to be involved in all of this stuff.

(39:17):
And in my studies, I really dug in and looked,
you know, for facts that said all of that was true,
and there aren't any, And it just disappoints people to
know end when I confront him with that that usually
the only thing they have is something from a popular
author that theorized this could be true, like the whole

(39:39):
Henry Sinclair phenomena, you knowing to Nova Scotia. There's no
real proof of that. It's it's kind of something that's
been repeated over and over, and they used the Xeno
narrative that doesn't even really mention him as evidence. So
it's kind of, you know, for me, I want to
go and find out my myself if there's something like that.

(40:02):
I used to believe all of those things, like the
Kensington Ruined Stone, and.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, it's cool, they're cool stories, cool, but yeah, I
agree that.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
One day I just decided to look myself and didn't
find any evidence.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
So now I know exactly what you mean, it's it
can be very disappointing because some things that seems so
exciting and authentic, you know, sometimes turn out not to
be as I know, only too well, right right.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
It's hard too, because it's an interesting to observe that
the majority of people that are interested in these things
believe something that I found I couldn't find any evidence for. Yeah,
that's kind of mind blowing that. You know. If you

(40:57):
talk to your average fan of the Curse of Oak Island,
for instance, they all believe this is true, you know,
fans of other templar talking heads that always promote these ideas.
Most people don't go beyond just you know, what they'll
see on this radio show or podcast or a TV show,

(41:19):
and they won't go look themselves. And I decided to
do that and looked into it and couldn't find anything
that there's no real history saying this is true, beyond
somebody's theory that the runestone means templar. You know that
that's just a theory, an idea with no real hard proof,

(41:41):
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
And I'm I'm anxious.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
And interesting phenomena to me to see.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
That, as you as you probably no court, uh, you know,
our night Vision historian James Martin is in the process
of reading a three book series on the complete history
of the Night's Templar, including you know, starting in Roman
times where the you know, conditions started to be set

(42:11):
up for the Night's Templer to form in that sort
of thing, and so it will be really interesting because
he's so detail oriented. But yeah, no, there hasn't been
as far as I've read with you know, his uh
manuscripts and drafts. There's not this connection that everybody wants

(42:34):
to make.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I mean, there's no smoking gun of Aviden. Some good ideas,
you know, but nothing real.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
But the temple of history is interesting enough on its own,
you know, but people always do try to But you're right,
people say stuff so much they hear it and then
it just becomes fact in their minds. You know. You
hear so many times that uh no, some story. As
we all know, there's so many stories that are just

(43:07):
bunked that come out of of these of these events,
like you know, especially rems Chateau, because people I think
have been or at least the people help me into
that a little bit longer than Oakonland.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Well that makes a little more sense because there's Templar
commanderies right there, you know, i'mau, but you know there's
none at Oak Island, right There's no like that there.
And I just you know, that's just my opinion. And
no matter what I say, people will continue to believe
the Knights Templar involved. I'm telling you, it's the Knights

(43:42):
of Malta, and it makes all perfect sense within the
context of their colonial activities, you know, within the scope
of recorded history, you know. And that's another thing I'll
say all of this, I do I fit things into
known history. I don't go intentionally looking to say this
is bs. You know, recorded history is wrong. A lot

(44:03):
of people set out that way and they quote alternative
history genre that they ignore recorded facts and they only
look at alternate information. You shouldn't do that. You should
take that into account as well. I look at the
alternate stuff as well, and that's one reason I've come

(44:26):
to not believe it as much. But you know, even
this newest information I found with the indicating the priory
of zion with Oak Island is everybody should take with
a grain of salt. It could be somebody just trying
to make it seem that way to promote their own ideas.

(44:47):
And I would point out that a lot of these
treasure stories like Rainless Chateau, the Lost Men in the Mountain,
myths of Charlemagne and Frederick Barbarossa, you know, the mythology
of the Jacobites, it's all meant the beeal treasure, even
to promote political and social ideas as well. And it's

(45:11):
not that originally there wasn't even a real treasure, like
it's perfectly feasible, there was some kind of burial horde
of Dagobar the Second for example, that later people then
took this story and promoted their political ideas with like
the priory of Zion, for example, promoting the Maravinian dynasty, which,

(45:36):
like the Jacobites, that kind of morphed into this state
with no physical domain, that became so profitable for a
group of people that they kind of lost sight of
the goal of the Maravinian monarchy because their business ventures
had become so successful in secret that that became the

(46:00):
or of what they were doing instead of the original
purpose of kind of hijacking this piece of folklore. And
in the case of Oak Island, I think the story
the attributes I found have been some of the tags
that have been put on that are making you remember

(46:20):
the Stuart family of the fallen Kings of England, and
you know Lincoln Baging and Lee point this out to
using the term the roy Purdue or the lost King
is often an impetus for you know, a factor in
many of these stories. And again I would stress that

(46:41):
they are real treasure stories. They just have attributes added
to them that may lead you to, oh, I know
what a Jacobite is now, or I know what a
Maravinian is now when I didn't know before. You know,
on a basic level like that, and they're taking your
interest in lost treasure and turning it into an educational tool,

(47:04):
if you will.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
That's an interesting way to look at it now. You mentioned,
you know, honestly Pierre plant Art earlier, and he's sort
of like the number one figure in the rentless Chateau
Street aside from Saunier, because he was the one who

(47:30):
sort of started putting the story out there along with
Philip de Chersie. And is in the Breath. You mentioned
the Plantagenets, and I've always wondered is there a connection
between Plantard and Plantagenet.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yes, that's the exact same family. Yeah, same route of
the same name. So yeah, all of the as group
of families. I found this from doing genealogy, that that
the descendants of Dagobert and Ciggi bear.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So the Plantagenets are uh mariving descendants.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yes, exactly, along with the Lucy NaN's, the Roach Ficolds
and others whose names also continually popped up in my research.
You know, the de la Tour's intermarrying with the Stuarts,
you know, the other Maravidian family, and how the Jacobite

(48:36):
movement of that of the fallen Stuart Kings kind of
sort of hijack the same kind of concept as the
Priory of zion H with their shadow government that they had,
They had a spy network, they had businesses working in
their favor, while at the same time they had no

(48:56):
physical domain, no state to manage anything. So that's part
of the phenomena of these two treasure stories too, that
they inferred Oak Island and Rainless Chautau infer that there
were monarchies or fallen kings that used these places, possibly

(49:19):
as repositories for like an off the records bank, for example,
Rainless Chatau could have been used like that or Oak Island,
So there's evidence that that's true for the Stuart family
having done that. So the value of these.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I mean, if you know you're trying to hide something,
then what better place than this vast new world that
is you know, so much wilderness and and and forest
and all that, you know, right, you can think that

(50:02):
you know, probably they could never imagine, you know, what
this would turn out to be with you know, so
many people, such a usually populated country. Of course, even
that area is still.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Still not Yeah. Well, what it's all getting to is
that the followers of the Stuart family, the Jacobites were
had played a large hand in the creation of the
United States. So my theory does involve funds that were
once hidden at Oak Island being used to foment the

(50:36):
early stages of the American Revolution. So that there are
many connections I found via people members of the Stuart
family that are colonial, their efforts in America to fund
these things, and they were even involved extensively in the

(50:58):
symbology of the United States, the flag, the national anthem,
the establishment of Washington, d c. And so on. So
that there's lots of evidence that you know, I can
cite that shows how Jacobites were instrumental in creating the
United States because in part they felt that the Stuart

(51:19):
family had developed the colonies that they you know, anything
that used to be part of England they saw as
theirs anyway, so that they didn't have any compunction at
all about trying to take the colonies away from Britain
and creating a new country that they were involved in,

(51:40):
you know, in the end. So in the end they
didn't have total control or anything, but they played a
large part in why it happened, in the success of
the revolution, and I think Jacobite money that came from
the Vatican via Spain was one of the things that

(52:01):
could have been stored at Oak Island, or was the
purpose of Oak Island in that context. So it does
lead you to interesting involvement of people like Benjamin Franklin,
who actually owned land in Nova Scotia that he was
granted when he was still an English citizen. And as

(52:26):
this whole story unfold, we'll see more of his involvement
and other people and other freemasons that had an influence
on why. I have this theory that it was the
founding fathers that ended up with the money or funds
from Oak Island at least during that period. Now, the

(52:49):
Stuart family had likely used oak Island earlier in that
if you look at the work of researcher Scott Clark,
who's appeared on the Curse of Oak Island show a
few times, he points out how they were involved in
recovering sunken treasures of the Spanish treasure Fleet. The Stewart,

(53:11):
like James the Second, for instance, funded an effort to
recover a treasure in the Caribbean that Scott then feels
was stored at Oak Island to keep it off the
book so they wouldn't have to report that income, and
that could have been the beginning of the use of
Oak Island in such a clandestine manner.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Now this could be way out of left field. But
does any of this have anything to do with the
so called Confederate Gold? What was the origin of that treasure?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Well, I think connect the.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Beetle treasure story and the Confederate Gold have some overlap
that weren't some serious consideration that do involve the Beeal family.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
And it would take me a couple of hours to
explain all that. Right now we're starting to run out,
But this goes back. This goes back to the you
know Thomas Beel, the story I told you about him
being a Knight of Malta, a member of the Burton
Parish Church in Williamsburg, where we have the legend of

(54:21):
Bacon's Vault and everything that his family's involved in that,
and that kind of has crossover to the Beeal treasure
story in a big way. And there's even connections in
like the Last Man to See the Confederate Gold has
ties all the way back to the story of the

(54:42):
Bruton Vault in Bacon's Vault in Williamsburg that are mind
blowing and and this is pause for you know, cause
for pause to wonder how these connections could happen. I mean,
I even found own that a direct descendant of Charles

(55:03):
de Latour, the first governor of Acadia or Nova Scotia.
His descendant was living in Lynchburg when the Beal papers
were released to the public, just a few blocks away
from Morris's boarding house.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So that's you. I'm dying to ask you a more things,
but we just don't have time. But everything you say
is triggering me on.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
There's a whole series of these these kind of treasure
stories that have links to Jacobites, you know in turn
which you know there's connections to Oak Island and stories
like Rainless Chateau and the Carmona document. It's almost like
there's one brain trust that that took these real treasure

(56:01):
stories are missing Confederate gold for example, and put their
own spin on it, or they're actually really involved, which
would be even more mind blowing. You know, if they
actually had perpetrated all of these things and did actually
possess these treasures. And I think that's just as possible

(56:21):
as anything else. I'm not like totally saying it's all fake.
It's definitely room there for it to be true.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
That's the crazy making part of it. Because you dismiss everything,
you have to go through it like grain by grain.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
It always involves a large amount of gold or money. Right,
That's the motivating factor of why they would also put
a snowscreen over the whole story. You know later that
they would create a folklore story instead of the real one.

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(57:26):
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(58:22):
you having me on here too, Renee, thank you?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Oh are you kidding me? I appreciate you coming on,
and I'm going to drag you back as as much
as I can. We've already gone overtime. Sorry, Bill, I've.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Just done a teaser. Now. Now next the next time
we'll tell about the Beule Treasure and all the other
details about Jacobites in the Formation of America that we
skimmed over.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
That's really cool. So those of you who are watching
and not just listening, I've got Court's name up on
the screen so that you can have a proper spelling.
Just google him, go to YouTube. You'll find him. He's everywhere.
So it's c O R T first name, and the

(59:09):
last name is l I N.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
D A h L.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
For those of you who are listening, all right, thank
you Court. Well in everyone, I'll give you a heads
up when Court is coming back and we'll continue this conversation.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
You're welcome, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Thank you Court, and thanks everyone for listening. Uh well,
I thought I was ready to end. Oh but maybe not.
It's not good. Here we go.