February 15, 2025 • 60 mins
The mysteries and allure of Mary Magdalene with author/researcher Gretchen Cornwall.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, everyone, how are you welcome to night Vision once again?
And this is your first time? Welcome, Hope you'll come
back again. Got a great show plan for tonight. The
author Gretchen Cornwall with me tonight. Really excited because we're
going to be talking about, among other things, Mary Magdalen
and her huge presence in the southern part of France
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and why that is, and among other things about our history,
our past, our ancestry. But I wanted to share something
with everyone that may not know. But we are opening
a center in southern France. It's called La Confluence or
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the Confluence in English, and what it is is it's
a research and tour center. So we're set up to
receive guests come by for a cup of coffee or
crosson and sit down and talk with us. We're going
to be opening I hope we're aiming for Easter, because
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Easter is big in France, and it is also when
all the tourists start arriving, so we hope to be
able to do that. The whole center won't be finished,
but the ground portion for the public should be well
done by then and we'll be able to receive visitors.
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And the name Confluence is for two reasons. The house
actually sits at the merging or the confluence of two rivers,
the River sALS and the River Owed. And there's a
theory or a legend that the confluence of two rivers
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is an extremely powerful place to be. And I've heard
people say that if you go there and you meditate
or you sleep, that you will have wild visions and dreams,
very vivid, and so I'm hoping that's true. I'm going
to try it out. But anyway, the other thing is
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because it's a confluence of ideas and of different people,
we're trying to include as much and as many people
as we can. We're having classes and all kinds of things.
We've been giving French glasses, but we're also going to
be having classes in sacred geometry, yoga, tai chi, art,
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jewelry making. I mean, we're just going to be really
really busy there and hope to have lots of interesting
things that people see. We've got some great people already
scheduled to come over and speak with us. My good
friend Marlena Hallam, who is a historian and a teacher
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and an artist, is going to do a presentation on
her wonderful stained glass installation which sits in a museum
in America now. But it was inspired by the quilts
made by African slaves that where they would actually sew
in hidden messages for those that were in the know.
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It was part of the underground railroad and people could
read these secret messages. And then on the other hand,
and joll Blayden, who is God, she's my right hand
if nothing, and she is a wonderful artist. She's also
a lawyer and an interior designer, thank God, because she's
really helping me out a lot. But she is going
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to also give a presentation on hidden messages in paintings,
like in medieval paintings and Renaissance paintings. A lot of
the times royal families or aristocratic families, we commission these paintings,
and sometimes I think they requested those messages to be
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put in. Other times I believe the artists inserted messages
on his or her own, mostly his, because they didn't
pay much attention to women artists at that time. But anyhow,
we're going to be having all kinds of wonderful things
going on there, and I hope you'll manage to get
by there sometimes. But at the very least, I hope
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you'll come over to Facebook look and check us out.
It's called La Confluence and you'll recognize I think there
might be a couple of other Facebook pages that have
a similar name, but you will recognize ours because there's
an even handed templar looking cross with a pink rose
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in the middle of it as our icon. So just
look for that cross with the rows in it and
that will be us. So if you make it by
or at least make it to the Facebook page and
let us know what you think and if you are
going to be able to come over or if you're
already local there, give us some ideas and what you'd
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like to see us do there at the center. We're open.
We're open to lots of different things. So without further
as you, I'd like to bring on my guest. She's
a friend, she's a researcher and she's an author and
is a lover of Mary Magdalen, as so many of
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us are, and so I thought I would ask Gretchen
to come because she is so much into the Magdalen research.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I'm also.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Twisting her arm to come on over to the center
and give us some presentations on Mary Magdalen and others,
because she's also very much a nice templar researcher, among
other things. And also hopefully we will get together a
tour for the fall, the early autumn, I should say.
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My friends in Europe, and you make fun of me
for saying the fall, what do you do? You actually
tip over? That's what we call it. But it is
the autumn, so it's probably going to be I'm hoping
for September, Gretchen, I don't know if that's feasible, but
at least by you know, earlyish October, when the weather's
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really nice there. Still it's cooling down a bit, because
July and August are just terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, it's untenable in July and August, and that's why
France shuts its doors in August. It goes on holiday. Yeah,
so they're they're smart, they know what to do. Water yes, uh,
September October, you know, would be would be delightful. And
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I know we haven't firmed any dates up yet, but
I you don't have to twist my arm too hard.
I'll figure out a way. I'll figure out a way
to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I hope you can spend a little time so that
we can set up some other things for you to do,
some presentations and classes and things, because I think that
would be really great, and especially when the the tourists
start coming through, there'll be a lot of people interested
to hear more about the area and about Mary Magdalen
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in particular. I think most people that come there have
a Mary Magdalen idea in mind when they come there,
especially women. I'll say, that's really gone to Mary Magdalene.
And that's one thing I wanted to speak with you
about because it seems, you know, of course, she was
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derided for so long, you know, being a prostitute and
all this, and you know, finally the church had to
come out and admit that that just wasn't true.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well that's just the Western Church. She's actually not a prostitute.
In the Eastern Church, you know, that was a either
purposeful or a scholarly mistake done by you know, a
pope that was corrected in nineteen sixty nine. But the mine, yeah,
directed in sixty nine, but the damage was done, you know.
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And of course, once the Reformation movements started hitting in
fifteen hundreds with Martin Luther, the church started fracturing. And
in the West she's written as a prostitute. But that
was definitely a case of mistaken identity, if not character assassination,
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and she suffers from a long line of character assassination
in the Western Church. There are it's changed. There were
thirty five thousand different Christian sects in the world when
I wrote my first book, which is behind me. Now
there are forty five thousand different Christian sects in the world.
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I can't even begin to tell you what the differences
are between all of them. There are probably about six
main pillars, if you will, of differences from Eastern Orthodox,
some lovely legends regarding Mary Magdalen within their umbrella. And
of course, you know in the West, have you have
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different branches from as well, Lutheran, et cetera. I won't
go into into that, that might be a waste of
our time. But by nineteen sixty nine, when you have
all these fractured sex denominations, there was no way that
was going to go back. So that you know, she's
continually reported as being a prostitute, and unfortunately, you know,
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in the film series Chosen, which has been wildly popular,
beautiful production values, great cast, remarkable, you know, so well received,
you know by many Christians. There. I'll pause for a moment, Renee,
are you still here? I'm here.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm sorry, and I'm frozen, I guess, and you're frozen
to me, so well, really, I look like I'm still
having apologies everyone for the technical difficulties. We'll just carry on.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Would you like me to continue? But what I was
going to say is, unfortunately, with the popularity of the Chosen,
it's just ramming it home that she was a prostitute,
and it's it's it's wrong, and you know, as a
matter of accuracy, but as a matter of faith, I'm
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not here to ruin anybody's faith. But the message that
she was married was a woman of potential wealth and
also of the Davidic line. Uh princess herself a royalty herself,
which is why she was actually married to to Jesus
as the as the dividic king in exile. It was
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a royal marriage and a royal royal lineage, so you know,
to get rid of it was necessary to get rid
of her, get rid of the descendants because they posed
a political and spiritual problem for the male disciples who
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wanted to create a different message. And unfortunately she lost,
but her information was perpetuated through royal families in Europe.
Her children married into the nobility and the royal houses
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of France. She was exiled to Marseille. There was a
Jewish enclave there already, and so she went to a
place of safety there, as so many of you who
follow Mary Magdalene already know, and then would eventually become
the Merovingian royal house, and of course a lot of
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that DNA over time became uh came into the Charlemagne's
line as well. There's so much I can't wait to
share with you on a new book I've been working
on with with new information that has not seen the
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light of day in many centuries, and I feel very
privileged to have been involved, you know, and to to
be writing this book. I wish I could tell you today,
but I can't. But what I what I would like
to say, is something more personal to myself but also
personal to you. I hope the numbers of individuals who
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are are genetically tied to this descendancy of the Maravingians, Charlemagne,
uh Mary Magdalene are in their millions today. And for
myself this is a personal story, but I hope it's
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also a story that resonates with you, whoever you may be.
But if you're familiar with quantum mechanics, there is a
theory of entanglement, and very briefly, you have two particles
that are treated in the same way. They're linked and
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then spread miles thousands of miles apart. You tweak one,
the other one responds in the same manner, and Einstein
called that spooky physics. So outside of time and space,
you have this very interesting physical reaction to stimulation. So
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what does that mean? Many years ago, I had a wild,
lucid dream, and I've had maybe six in my life.
Five have come about in one way or another, whether
or not it had anything to do with me. But
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I I found myself in a castle. I was very strong,
very determined. I was a woman. I was the lady
of the castle, and I was being trased, chased by
three men they were had reached the castle, and this
was uh in okay, I'll just I'll just say it.
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I knew this is going to be so weird. Bear
with me. I knew that I was vlad dra Cool's
first wife. Now this she's only a legend and you
can't find any information on her any longer. I was shocked.
I didn't even know about the situation. But she leaps
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off of a tower, off of a tower and falls
to her death below. And it's this in Transylvania, and
it's called the Princess Tower the Princess River. But it
wasn't the right castle, and so it was this lucid
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dream was a mix of messages and symbols that took
me somewhere else. So so I'm sorry, this is confusing,
and I'm slightly embarrassed. But what in memory from this?
And I've been profoundly, you know, challenged by this vision
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for a long time because, according to legend, the enemy
shot an arrow into the window of this castle. She
reads the message on the arrow and says, oh my goodness,
they're coming. I'm going to be brutally murdered or taken prisoners,
so she throws herself off the tower. In mine, I
was very assertive. I knew exactly what I was doing,
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and I'll save the rest for another time, but it
does involved the motif of the dragon. But fast forward
to twenty twenty. I think it was I was watching
a BBC production of Dracula and they were filming at
a castle that I recognized, and I recognized the tower
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and I went, oh, my god, there's the tower. And
here we are a few weeks later. You know, this
is another five years. Well, this is twenty twenty five,
So that was twenty twenty, so it's been many years.
This is unfolded, and I had my DNA testing done
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and that DNA data was taken and it was a
direct matched to the Hungarian kings, the Rpad dynasty, and
they were amongst the founding members that the Order of
the Dragon in Eastern Europe. And this was new to
me as of like about a week or so ago,
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and it just blew me away. So everything that happened
in that Lucid dream has come about, much to my
great surprise. Now Here I am writing about the Templars,
kingly lines, powerful Queen's spiritual traditions oppressed traditions, and I
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never expected to have found that out. Now I don't
have a paper trail. I have a DNA trail, so
I don't know how that came about.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I would say DNA is better than a paper portrayal.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I think, well, there is an argument to be said
for that, because of you know, you never could tell
really who the father was, other than by physical appearance perhaps,
but you always know who your mother is. And that's
perhaps why the Jewish tradition of why you're you know?
So I'm I'm blown away by this series events of
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events that have taken place over a long period of time.
It makes sense to me because of my interest level
and the topic. It's strange how one knows, and this
is I guess. What I'm trying to do is say
to people who are watching, what have you felt? What
dreams have you had?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I've had people write to me and say that they
know their genealogy, and some of the people that I
have who are friends with myself, they can go all
the way back to eight hundred something in Britain, me
in France, and they know exactly who they're related to.
Others have had dreams that they've told me about. And
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it's in the West we don't really honor our ancestors
in the way that Shinto in Japan ancestral veneration. We're
comfortable with the term worship in this in the West
because we're conditioned to only worship, you know, the the
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status quo. But veneration and acknowledgement and not.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Arrogance.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Knowing knowing isn't arrogance, but having inspiration and aspirations and
uh you know, knowing can can come in different ways,
from feeling to site to smell dreams, whether they're daylight,
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whether they're deja vu, whether they're they're a dream state.
But when you get into the world of quantum mechanics,
that's mechanism that that this wild world we live in
where everything is actually outside of time and space and
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through our daily lives, once in a while it punches
through and it's these these powerful resonances through our DNA,
from our past lives, from from uh family on the
other side guides you know, they sometimes those moments punch through.
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Now for me, this has taken place over junctures over
many years, uh too. But I I've always I knew
something was there, but I didn't know intellectually until just
about two weeks ago. And I'm driven by this subject.
It helps me make sense of my life. It drives me.
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It's not something I can put down. And I know
a lot of people who are listening right now feel
the same way. And this doesn't This cuts across all politics,
all denominations, whether you count yourself as a Christian or not.
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And what's interesting about that too is I recently looked
up the demographic how many you know, what do women
in the United States? How do they identify? Seventy five
percent of American women identify as Christians. But when you're
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talking about forty five thousand different denominations, what does that
look like? And I've got I have so many readers
who across all political divides who have embraced Mary Magdalen,
regardless of how they vote on both sides of that challenging, challenging,
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you know fence. That is incredible. She is important to
to so many for so many reasons. And you and
I were talking about the statistics of this DNA as well,
and I think you had some information on that well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We had while we were producing the film Bloodline and
as I was telling you off the off the air,
I really don't remember if this actually made it into
the film. I think it did. It was just a
small part where we were on the phone with this
professor at MIT, and he had written a book or
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several books on statistical things, like just interesting, kind of
a fun book in a way. And so we put
the problem to him, if there's indeed a bloodline of
Jesus and Mary Magdalen, how many people are in it today?
Who would be in it? And his answer was almost
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near everybody. And after this many years and you know,
the turning over of the DNA, and I know that
you had someone to tell you something similar but not
quite as as much as everyone, but it was millioniles.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah. A mathematician many years ago, you know, ago said
that there would be a roximately thirty five million individuals
based on three children if there were no accidents, you know, uh, sicknesses,
et cetera, et cetera, but exponentially, you know that that
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that would grow quickly. And if one in four Europeans
are related to Charlemagne, now he's called the Father of
Europe for reason now recently recently yeah, uh yeah, well,
well it's it's try to be concise here. It's I
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recently came across another you know, you'll find this on
YouTube if you look. But this other individual said that
everybody you know in Europe would have been related to Charlemage.
Now I don't know how that works. That's not where
my skill set is. But it's listening. I think listening
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to one's heart outside of I think one must also
listen to one's motivation. And I've discovered that Mary Magdalene
was venerated as Cassiopeia since at least herad of Landsbergh's
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Garden of Delights, which was an encyclopedia for her nuns.
For the leadership of her monastery Hoen, I've forgotten, but
I found I found evidence in a illustrated frontispiece that
she was being venerated as Cassiopeia. So you've got the
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woman enthroned Cassiopeia that revolves around the poll star, which
is Jesus, and she's holding a mirror. And if you
go back to above the Platonic Mystery school archway, you
you had know thyself, which means get in there and
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dig up your dart. What are your motivations? What who
what makes you tick as a human being? What is
the psychology that makes you work? And what are what
are the human foibles you know that we all have
in the YouTube is so wonderful today? You know, there
are so many wonderful psychology UH portals out there and
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uh individuals like doctor Ramani who has been featured many
times on the History Channel, or you know the car
animated psychotherapy, like the School of Life. You know, so
how to how to grow up basically and become an
adult instead of a woman child or a man child.
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And when you can do that, then you've got a
basis for being very powerful full spiritually and understanding what
Mary Magdalen's understood. And we you know, you and I
were speaking about one of the Gnostic Gospels where Peter says,
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why are you hanging out with her? I'm kind of
annoyed with you, you know, because that culture was very strict
and women were basically, you know, second class citizens at best.
And Jesus turns around and says, are you kidding? Look
at her? God? So so.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And plus she did understand the more deep teachings much
better than the other disciples did. Yes, yes, why you
know she that was so special or one of the
reasons she was so special to him. And we also
discussed how, you know, by my thinking that he had
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actually chosen Mary Magdalen for those reasons to be the
head of the church, but she was usurped by Peter. Yes,
and I've got this little theory, you know, because in
the Bible it says that Jesus said, this is Peter,
and upon this rock, I will build my church. And
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everybody thought he's saying for one thing, because Peter means rock,
and that, you know, I'll build my church, you know,
upon Peter, the rock of the church. But I was
looking at it and reading it. I remember this was
years ago now thinking because he was talking and he
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said something about this is Peter and upon this rock,
I'll build my church. I think he was pointing to
an actual rock, you know, So maybe that's been misunderstood
all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Of course, like a sacred site, yeah, uh, yes, yes,
the sacred mountain, the sacred you know, which has come
down to us in freemasonry as Mount Herodom.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And there have been multiple locations chosen for that in Europe.
But it's it's also a philosophical idea. But that's a
that is a great insight. I I like that.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And you know we're talking about the whole ancestral memory
or genetic memory and how you know, you separate things
but they still behave in the same ways. But you know,
we see that in a physical way with people and animals.
Their bodies will adapt over time to circumstances that they're
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bind themselves in, and then over time they become that way.
Maybe they're develop a longer legs or you know, something
some physical attribute that becomes the norm after time. And
but it hunts back to the fact that they had
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to you know, climb trees or whatever it was that
they had to do way way back in time. You know,
you can see it on a physical level. Why couldn't
it be also on a spiritual or metaphysical level that
we have these sort of.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Absolutely, I think it all starts on the inside. And
whether your body adapts to a need, as in a
population base because of of stressors or or or whatever,
or desire for for for something else to happen. Yes,
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and it's what I found what I what I find
interesting when you think about and I'm sorry this slightly
off topic, when you but when you consider Mexico and
the Day of the Dead, and this is a very
Catholic society today, but they it's imbued with their their prior,
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you know, their prior impetus is but the Day of
the Dead is amazing because they acknowledge on October thirty
first that the veil between the worlds is the thinnest
and you can speak to your grandfather, your grandmother, talk
to you know, the people that have crossed over and
ask for advice and say thank you to them for
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their choices which resulted in you. And that's something that
that as Westerners, Western Europe, you know, the United States.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Or yeah, tendants of Europeans, because in Nicco they definitely
honor our ancestors and communicatm and the Native Americans. You know,
the whole.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Ansral thing is huge, yes, culture, but some reason, any
in Europe it was a big deal. What somehow we
kind of cut that cord when we came to the
United States or to the New World, and it's sort
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of like.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
We just sprouted up from here, you know, because I
really don't remember anyone ever talking about my ancestry or
anybody else's, you know, pre Civil War, you know, we
didn't try to think back to where, well we might
have been you know, German, or we might have been this,
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it's always just our American ancestry and it's so weird
that we that we do that. It's like we've become disconnected.
And I wonder if that might be part of our problem.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I having lived in the UK for since two
thousand and two, predominantly I've noticed in Americans almost a
feeling of orphan and you know, longing to get to
go home in some way. And that's why the relationship
between the UK and the US has always been so
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strong with common language. We have more common with the
UK than we do with friends because of the share
the shared language and culture is the same. And that
has always astounded me. And the amount of documentaries on
the History Channel, and of course the Curse of Oak Island,
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which I've been privileged to consultant on off and on
since twenty eighteen. You know, Americans want with a yearning
to to you know, remember and be integrate that into
their life somehow. And I think also, you know, you know,
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the royals, nobility, the educated classes, they kept track of
births and marriages and it wasn't really, you know, And
of course records get destroyed, et cetera. I came across
a study which I've been repeating endlessly, in this study
done by twenty academics or something like that, we have
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lost ninety percent of our secular documents in Europe ninety percent.
So we think we know a lot about our European ancestry.
I tell you, what does that ninety percent if we're
only operating on ten percent, what did that ninety percent say?
And so this is where you get into arguments about
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the templar and these other histories. And for me, I
like to come at it from an anthropological point of view.
Psychology point of view and a human point of view
is look at how we are as people today. We
haven't changed that much. So you today, other than you know,
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a strict culture would be the same, you know, you
would be responding to your environment in the same way.
Trying to say, but but there's so much we've lost,
So it's gosh, I guess what I would like to say,
you know, in light of in light of my experience
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having that that lucid lucid dream, and I only shared
half of it, and and with the the this this
castle in in in eastern Europe and the Order of
the Dragon, and I just uh and then the inclusion
of of of Vladrakul's first first wife, who is not
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on record anywhere. I found a reference to her once
years ago, but that's been wiped, wiped clean. I can't
find a reference to her anymore. But it's the wrong
castle and the wrong you know, the wrong family. But
because you know it was important in the information I
was receiving to understand that that the Order of the
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Dragon was important. But it was Eastern, it was, it
was more in modern day Hungary and Slovakia, et cetera.
But the Arpad dynasty. Uh so, it was emerging of
symbols and information. But so to to to talk to
your grandparents, ask for guidance. And this is where Catholicism
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the saints come in. Now, now that's slightly different because
you might not be related to them. But one of
my ancests or is a Saint Stephen. So uh so,
so that's that's been been interesting to discover discover that
because he was one of the king, Stephen became Saint Stephen.
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So ask ask now uh and and it will come
to you now, Uh, there is nothing wrong for the
for the devoted Christians who only speak to to Jesus
or to to to Yeshua. Uh, this is part of
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that myriad of which denomination is right. You can't ask
that anymore, not with forty five thousand different Christians. So
go ahead and talk to him. But uh, what what
we have through Mary Magdalene is go ahead and talk
to her too, because she is more than likely you're
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ancestral mother and the new Eve who was found blameless
by him who married her. And why you and I
are having this conversation today, so.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know, it's it's interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know, of course, the.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Catholic Church and others have really mainly venerated the Mother Mary,
the Virgin Mary. And yes, she is very prominent in
a lot of people's lives. And there have been a
lot of marry insidings that people consider to be Mother Mary,
(39:53):
but they don't really know, you know, who it is
most of the time. You know, they call her the
lady or the White Lady, or you know, when they're
having these these Mary and apparitions. But there's something about
something about Mary, something about Mary Magdalen that seems to
(40:15):
really connect with people with women today. And I wonder
if it has something to do with that whole you know,
derision of hers being a prostitute, and you know, now
she's being redeemed. And it's almost like because we grew
(40:38):
up at least I did, and kind of knowing it
was better to be a boy and easier. And you know,
if you're a boy, you would be elected president of
the class. If you're a girl, you would be elected
treasurer or secretary of the class, as I was many times, and.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I member in school.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know, the boys, the smart boys, would always get
all this praise, but there was always more smart girls
and they would just get ignored. You know. It was
kind of funny, but it was we just accepted it.
That's just the way it was, because he's a boy,
you know. And I remember the first time in nineteen
(41:24):
eighty two when I read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and
they entertained the idea of the marriage of Jesus and
Mary Magdalene and a little bit about her history, and
I remember feeling so vindicated somehow, not that I had
(41:47):
been a big Mary Magdalen follower up to that time,
but I realized it felt personal, and it was like
by raising her up, you know, to her rightful position,
it uplifts all of us and in particular all women.
(42:11):
And do you think that is the reason why people
are so enamored with her?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh yeah, I mean if she was worthy enough to
have been his bride, who his confidante, his co equal,
he ascends, you know, after the crucifixion, and she stays
(42:43):
and continues the mission and passes down the training, the traditions,
and it wasn't eradicated. It couldn't be. And I can't
wait to share what I have found in the last
year plus on on this front. I know either she
(43:08):
was the new Eve, and in the three Abrahamic religions
everything is Eve's fault. And you you they are terrible
things you know said about women by not all but
you you you have two classes of of of men
in in in these religions, and in one does not
(43:29):
like women at all. The other one wants to have
a relationship with women and have uh, doesn't feel intimidated,
isn't abusive, wants to to grow and have a good,
great family, a good life or whatever whatever you know.
So so in in in history, when you look at
(43:51):
at monarchs and the different relationships they have with their
their wives. You see it play out and you see
that in the letters, you know, Saint Augustine and if
you're if you're in the UK and where I you know,
Southeast England, not far from Canterbury Cathedral where his first
(44:13):
church was. I think it's at five ninety seven. He
shows up with and it's not talked about much, but
he brings a Marovingian princess with him and she marries
the King of Kent. But it's the emphasis is put
on him bringing uh, trying to bring quasi heretical England
(44:36):
closer to Rome. And that's when when priests were no
longer allowed to marry at that juncture when he shows up.
But he also said that that women are not worthy
of life. Women are of Eve, and it's always her
Eve that shows up in a woman. You can't trust women,
(44:58):
and that's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Say, I'm in our tempesses.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, so you're either you know, or a virgin. Yeah,
And I'm sorry, but that's not how life comes into
the world. So so love and mutual respect in partnerships
and marriages, but you know, you get some, so you
get this hallmark of of of English history and church history,
(45:27):
what a great guy Saint Augustine was, and it affects
it affects everybody you know down the centuries. But there
are many moments in history where where the Roman Church
grabbed hold of the monarch, uh and and and wrested
(45:48):
power from the monarch. And there are many moments I've
I've you know, I've recently recently written about that. But
it's and I'm not saying that that that by any
stretch that that that I'm not endorsing monarchy as a
form of government. Uh. Basically, you know, you if you've
(46:13):
got a priestly cast going back into ancient summer into
ancient Greece, and Moses takes ancient Egyptian priesthood into an infuse,
it is into Judaism. I mean, the Egyptian Book of
the Dead is you know, the Ten Commandments is line
by line by line the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
(46:35):
and and you can look that up. It's pretty darn easy.
But no religion springs out of the ground, originally formed
with zero prior contact with any other culture. It doesn't exist.
So when when Jesus comes in, he's basically an exiled king. Uh.
And he's of a Jewish background with with ancient Egyptian
(46:58):
priestly uh uh spiritual gifts, profound spiritual gifts. Uh. And
he he shares that and initiates Mary Magdalene, and that
goes right into Europe. Now you're had its own prior
impetuses as well. Uh. That's another thing. Forgive me, you know,
(47:21):
So no culture is devoid of a prior spiritual culture.
I hope that makes sense. If I lost the plot,
forgive me it really.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It looks kind of complicated, but it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
And and you've got you know, you've got the Madonna figure.
The original Madonna figure is is Isis who is married
to Tuosirius and they have Horus and there she is
seated with with her you know, her her child. And
that is the earliest, you know, form of a Madonna
(48:02):
figure which gets borrowed and perpetuated. And Mother Mary is important,
but Mother Mary is often masking Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, that's what I think as well.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, picking the two of them apart isn't always easy.
And then of course you have the black Madonna, which
could be a reference to Sarah and the daughter and
Sarah meaning literally a Hebrew princess.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Right, it could be a reference to Mary Magdalene, yes,
as being in reference not necessarily to complexion, but to
the occult nature.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well, well, it's a Cinderella. It's a Cinderella. Uh motif,
isn't it because she has to she has to hide. Yeah,
because it's dangerous. So so forgive me. I'm excited, and
I think, I all, this is really a great conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
So I'm so sorry about the technical problems. But for
one thing, the good news is is that many, many
more people will hear this show than see it because
it goes out, you know, in audio and video first,
but then it's shared on all the podcasts platforms, and
(49:25):
that's where most of the audience comes from. So they
won't even know about our camera glitches. They might hear
me baffing around trying to do something about.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
It, at it won't ruin their picture. Yeah, indeed, Well
we got it, got through it, and it wasn't that that.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, And I even switched cameras in the middle because
it seemed to be I was just unplugging everything that
I didn't absolutely have to have because my picture went black.
I couldn't see anything, and that includes even operating the
board here. So anyway, hopefully I'll get that straightened out
(50:09):
before next week. But it also could be due to
we are in some crazy weather here in southern California.
It has been.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Raining and raining. You know.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
We were begging for rain a couple of weeks ago
when we had the big fires, and we still need it.
But you know, unfortunately after the fires, you get the mudslides,
you know, when you get a lot of rain. So
I hope we get enough but not too much. Yeah,
you know, feeling for all the people that are displaced
(50:42):
in Los Angeles right now, and especially those that are
not super wealthy and staying at the Beverly Wilshire, you know,
because not everybody that lost their home was a movie star,
yeah in the Palisades, but anyway, Yeah, there were people
that have lived out there for a long time, or
(51:03):
their house was a family home and so when their
parents bought it, it was like eighty thousand dollars and
now it's worth like five million, you know, and they'll
never be able to rebuild or come back. And those
are the people that are heartbreaking to me. But thank goodness,
the fires are over. Although I did here earlier this evening,
(51:26):
someone sent me a little news report that they had
arrested some guys today out trying to set fires in
the rain. I'm not sure how much luck they were having,
But what are they doing? Why would you want to
do something like that?
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, it's horrible, you know they Oh it's just a
lack of empathy. You know what's wrong with that person? Yeah,
you know, just devastating, devastating.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No self awareness. You know, we're talking about really know thyself.
That is so so good. And I remember when that
just sort of hit home for me, you know it
was I mean, I heard it all my life, but
what it really meant, you know, I didn't figure that
(52:22):
out for quite a while, I don't think. And it meant,
you know, everything is inward end, as Jesus supposedly said,
you know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within. So all
you have to do is know your true self and
be that, and you're fine. You're just fine. And because
(52:48):
if you are that, if it's your true self, you
are going to be a positive force in the world.
You're going to do the right thing, You're going to
be kind, you're going to be supportive, and you know,
all this other stuff just falls by the wayside when
you really know what's up.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
And that's a perfect lead into you know, in the
it's complicated. It's like one coin in the realm of
quantum mechanics. I had this experience and it's turned out
to be rooted in reality, although I didn't really understand
(53:27):
at the time what it all meant. But so, okay,
so I'm part of this stream and the traditions, the history,
the mysteries. Her story is very important to me. But
how do I show up in service rather than in
self aggrandizement, which I see a lot in this field.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
It's different. It's difficult, Yeah, and as our biggest enemy,
I think, yeah, And it's and it's subject to it,
you know, it's like it's easy to fall prey to
the ego. And I you know, there have been times
when I've just embarrassed myself because I was getting all
(54:13):
like thinking I was all this and all that, and
suddenly I thought, what in the world I've been invited
to speak at this place? And I think they were
like maybe you know, a couple thousand people there, and
I had been told that if we came there to speak,
we are guaranteed that we would have a standing ovation. Well,
(54:36):
if you're guaranteed a standing ovation, then how real is
that standing ovation really going to be if people have
just been told to do it? Yeah, how can I
guarantee it?
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (54:48):
So I knew that going up, went up there, did
the presentation and everything, and then everyone was just going
wild and give it as a standing ovation. And I
caught myself standing on stage doing this.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
You're excited, you were really excited, and it was a star.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
And so but in the middle of it, right there
in mid you know, throwing kisses, I said, what are
you doing? You know this was staged. You know that
whether or not they thought you were the most horrible
speaker in the world, they were going to give you
a standing ovation. Yet you fell for it. Anyway, it
(55:39):
felt so good, and it was funny because a few
months later I knew someone else that went to speak
and I said, oh, how was it, and he goes,
I it was good, And I said did you get
your standing ovation? And he said yep. I said yeah, good,
and he started laughing and he said, yet did and
(56:02):
I said, man, I caught myself really like eating that up.
It was it was a shame anyway, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
It's challenging. It's challenging. I think that that that it's
really important to to not down ourselves either, because we've
we've all been taught to feel guilty, feel shame that
you're it's your fault, you know. But but that is
really counter productive to the immune system. If you're happy
(56:30):
or are satisfied and contented with your life, your immune
system is going to be more stronger. I don't think
that we're supposed to be feeling horrible about who we are,
and I don't think we're supposed to because we were
We were created through the divine mind, I think, maybe
through the long lens of time, but through from those
(56:54):
higher levels of you know, we have solidified into these forms.
The Garden of Eden, the Fall. All of these are
metaphors from a very long time ago, written under a
thinking pattern that might not be very human or kind.
But you know, our immune systems are meant to respond
(57:16):
to love, kindness, positivity, and I'm not I mean, we
have to be responsible, we need to. We we love
adventuremen like hard work as human beings, and you know,
we have to contribute to you know, we have to
contribute to our world or basically we die, you know.
I mean, if you're a hunting party, you know, wandering
around and hunting and gathering, you've got to participate or
(57:40):
you go out. So it's this balance of the real
physical action with positivity and an assoulid. Yeah, and don't
don't let people tell you you're not worth it and
you're unworthy somehow. But aspiration is all day long, and
(58:03):
we're creatures of driven by huge hormonal powers to keep
the human race going. If we didn't have that drive,
we would be over a long time. So we're battling
the human system along with aspirations of becoming, you know,
(58:28):
becoming greater within and in our lives and to our communities.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
And on that note, we are out of time. We've
gone a little bit over. But I don't think our
executive producer, Bill will mind too much. If he does,
he can take it up with me. No, he's very good,
and I just hope he's able to deal with the
show with all the glitches in it tonight, but he
should be at least on the audio portion of it.
(58:58):
But anyhow, Gretchen thank you so much much, and I
hope to see you soon on the other side of
the pond, and it'll be fund doing some good work together.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
I look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
And those of you who are looking at the screen
you see up there Gretchen Cornwall World Tree Music. Look
her up on YouTube. You won't believe it. She's got
a hauntingly beautiful voice and there's some very wonderful medieval
sounding tunes and things. It's just it's really gorgeous. And
(59:30):
also check out Gretchencornwall dot com and go to her
shop at Gretchencornwall dot com slash shop. There's some cool
brings up there. I'm getting some all right, guys, Well,
thank you so much and Gretchen, thank you, and I
hope to speak super Sleeper soon.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Whoops.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Anyway, Oh, there was one work thing I was gonna
gonna say. Next week I should have James Martin on
and we will be delving into Templar stuff and.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I am going to nail him on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Some things that he found, because a lot of people
try to say that the Templars didn't have any connection
with Mary Magdalen at all, but he has found some
solid evidence in documents in you know, academic archives that
show that they did venerate Mary Magdalen, and so I'll
(01:00:31):
get him to talk a little bit about that, along
with the rest of the Templar history. Thanks everybody.
Own true birthrights, from the secret history of a possible
bloodline of Jesus Christ, a secret history of America's founders,
to the secret history of extraterrestrial interaction on our planet.
Here to bring light to the night. Your host for
night Vision Radio, Renee Barnett.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, everyone, how are you welcome to night Vision once again?
And this is your first time? Welcome, Hope you'll come
back again. Got a great show plan for tonight. The
author Gretchen Cornwall with me tonight. Really excited because we're
going to be talking about, among other things, Mary Magdalen
and her huge presence in the southern part of France
(00:54):
and why that is, and among other things about our history,
our past, our ancestry. But I wanted to share something
with everyone that may not know. But we are opening
a center in southern France. It's called La Confluence or
(01:15):
the Confluence in English, and what it is is it's
a research and tour center. So we're set up to
receive guests come by for a cup of coffee or
crosson and sit down and talk with us. We're going
to be opening I hope we're aiming for Easter, because
(01:40):
Easter is big in France, and it is also when
all the tourists start arriving, so we hope to be
able to do that. The whole center won't be finished,
but the ground portion for the public should be well
done by then and we'll be able to receive visitors.
(02:01):
And the name Confluence is for two reasons. The house
actually sits at the merging or the confluence of two rivers,
the River sALS and the River Owed. And there's a
theory or a legend that the confluence of two rivers
(02:24):
is an extremely powerful place to be. And I've heard
people say that if you go there and you meditate
or you sleep, that you will have wild visions and dreams,
very vivid, and so I'm hoping that's true. I'm going
to try it out. But anyway, the other thing is
(02:45):
because it's a confluence of ideas and of different people,
we're trying to include as much and as many people
as we can. We're having classes and all kinds of things.
We've been giving French glasses, but we're also going to
be having classes in sacred geometry, yoga, tai chi, art,
(03:09):
jewelry making. I mean, we're just going to be really
really busy there and hope to have lots of interesting
things that people see. We've got some great people already
scheduled to come over and speak with us. My good
friend Marlena Hallam, who is a historian and a teacher
(03:30):
and an artist, is going to do a presentation on
her wonderful stained glass installation which sits in a museum
in America now. But it was inspired by the quilts
made by African slaves that where they would actually sew
in hidden messages for those that were in the know.
(03:54):
It was part of the underground railroad and people could
read these secret messages. And then on the other hand,
and joll Blayden, who is God, she's my right hand
if nothing, and she is a wonderful artist. She's also
a lawyer and an interior designer, thank God, because she's
really helping me out a lot. But she is going
(04:17):
to also give a presentation on hidden messages in paintings,
like in medieval paintings and Renaissance paintings. A lot of
the times royal families or aristocratic families, we commission these paintings,
and sometimes I think they requested those messages to be
(04:38):
put in. Other times I believe the artists inserted messages
on his or her own, mostly his, because they didn't
pay much attention to women artists at that time. But anyhow,
we're going to be having all kinds of wonderful things
going on there, and I hope you'll manage to get
by there sometimes. But at the very least, I hope
(04:58):
you'll come over to Facebook look and check us out.
It's called La Confluence and you'll recognize I think there
might be a couple of other Facebook pages that have
a similar name, but you will recognize ours because there's
an even handed templar looking cross with a pink rose
(05:21):
in the middle of it as our icon. So just
look for that cross with the rows in it and
that will be us. So if you make it by
or at least make it to the Facebook page and
let us know what you think and if you are
going to be able to come over or if you're
already local there, give us some ideas and what you'd
(05:45):
like to see us do there at the center. We're open.
We're open to lots of different things. So without further
as you, I'd like to bring on my guest. She's
a friend, she's a researcher and she's an author and
is a lover of Mary Magdalen, as so many of
(06:05):
us are, and so I thought I would ask Gretchen
to come because she is so much into the Magdalen research.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I'm also.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Twisting her arm to come on over to the center
and give us some presentations on Mary Magdalen and others,
because she's also very much a nice templar researcher, among
other things. And also hopefully we will get together a
tour for the fall, the early autumn, I should say.
(06:37):
My friends in Europe, and you make fun of me
for saying the fall, what do you do? You actually
tip over? That's what we call it. But it is
the autumn, so it's probably going to be I'm hoping
for September, Gretchen, I don't know if that's feasible, but
at least by you know, earlyish October, when the weather's
(07:01):
really nice there. Still it's cooling down a bit, because
July and August are just terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, it's untenable in July and August, and that's why
France shuts its doors in August. It goes on holiday. Yeah,
so they're they're smart, they know what to do. Water yes, uh,
September October, you know, would be would be delightful. And
(07:33):
I know we haven't firmed any dates up yet, but
I you don't have to twist my arm too hard.
I'll figure out a way. I'll figure out a way
to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I hope you can spend a little time so that
we can set up some other things for you to do,
some presentations and classes and things, because I think that
would be really great, and especially when the the tourists
start coming through, there'll be a lot of people interested
to hear more about the area and about Mary Magdalen
(08:06):
in particular. I think most people that come there have
a Mary Magdalen idea in mind when they come there,
especially women. I'll say, that's really gone to Mary Magdalene.
And that's one thing I wanted to speak with you
about because it seems, you know, of course, she was
(08:30):
derided for so long, you know, being a prostitute and
all this, and you know, finally the church had to
come out and admit that that just wasn't true.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well that's just the Western Church. She's actually not a prostitute.
In the Eastern Church, you know, that was a either
purposeful or a scholarly mistake done by you know, a
pope that was corrected in nineteen sixty nine. But the mine, yeah,
directed in sixty nine, but the damage was done, you know.
(09:02):
And of course, once the Reformation movements started hitting in
fifteen hundreds with Martin Luther, the church started fracturing. And
in the West she's written as a prostitute. But that
was definitely a case of mistaken identity, if not character assassination,
(09:23):
and she suffers from a long line of character assassination
in the Western Church. There are it's changed. There were
thirty five thousand different Christian sects in the world when
I wrote my first book, which is behind me. Now
there are forty five thousand different Christian sects in the world.
(09:46):
I can't even begin to tell you what the differences
are between all of them. There are probably about six
main pillars, if you will, of differences from Eastern Orthodox,
some lovely legends regarding Mary Magdalen within their umbrella. And
of course, you know in the West, have you have
(10:09):
different branches from as well, Lutheran, et cetera. I won't
go into into that, that might be a waste of
our time. But by nineteen sixty nine, when you have
all these fractured sex denominations, there was no way that
was going to go back. So that you know, she's
continually reported as being a prostitute, and unfortunately, you know,
(10:34):
in the film series Chosen, which has been wildly popular,
beautiful production values, great cast, remarkable, you know, so well received,
you know by many Christians. There. I'll pause for a moment, Renee,
are you still here? I'm here.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I'm sorry, and I'm frozen, I guess, and you're frozen
to me, so well, really, I look like I'm still
having apologies everyone for the technical difficulties. We'll just carry on.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Would you like me to continue? But what I was
going to say is, unfortunately, with the popularity of the Chosen,
it's just ramming it home that she was a prostitute,
and it's it's it's wrong, and you know, as a
matter of accuracy, but as a matter of faith, I'm
(11:33):
not here to ruin anybody's faith. But the message that
she was married was a woman of potential wealth and
also of the Davidic line. Uh princess herself a royalty herself,
which is why she was actually married to to Jesus
as the as the dividic king in exile. It was
(11:56):
a royal marriage and a royal royal lineage, so you know,
to get rid of it was necessary to get rid
of her, get rid of the descendants because they posed
a political and spiritual problem for the male disciples who
(12:17):
wanted to create a different message. And unfortunately she lost,
but her information was perpetuated through royal families in Europe.
Her children married into the nobility and the royal houses
(12:38):
of France. She was exiled to Marseille. There was a
Jewish enclave there already, and so she went to a
place of safety there, as so many of you who
follow Mary Magdalene already know, and then would eventually become
the Merovingian royal house, and of course a lot of
(13:00):
that DNA over time became uh came into the Charlemagne's
line as well. There's so much I can't wait to
share with you on a new book I've been working
on with with new information that has not seen the
(13:21):
light of day in many centuries, and I feel very
privileged to have been involved, you know, and to to
be writing this book. I wish I could tell you today,
but I can't. But what I what I would like
to say, is something more personal to myself but also
personal to you. I hope the numbers of individuals who
(13:45):
are are genetically tied to this descendancy of the Maravingians, Charlemagne,
uh Mary Magdalene are in their millions today. And for
myself this is a personal story, but I hope it's
(14:06):
also a story that resonates with you, whoever you may be.
But if you're familiar with quantum mechanics, there is a
theory of entanglement, and very briefly, you have two particles
that are treated in the same way. They're linked and
(14:29):
then spread miles thousands of miles apart. You tweak one,
the other one responds in the same manner, and Einstein
called that spooky physics. So outside of time and space,
you have this very interesting physical reaction to stimulation. So
(14:51):
what does that mean? Many years ago, I had a wild,
lucid dream, and I've had maybe six in my life.
Five have come about in one way or another, whether
or not it had anything to do with me. But
(15:15):
I I found myself in a castle. I was very strong,
very determined. I was a woman. I was the lady
of the castle, and I was being trased, chased by
three men they were had reached the castle, and this
was uh in okay, I'll just I'll just say it.
(15:39):
I knew this is going to be so weird. Bear
with me. I knew that I was vlad dra Cool's
first wife. Now this she's only a legend and you
can't find any information on her any longer. I was shocked.
I didn't even know about the situation. But she leaps
(16:01):
off of a tower, off of a tower and falls
to her death below. And it's this in Transylvania, and
it's called the Princess Tower the Princess River. But it
wasn't the right castle, and so it was this lucid
(16:22):
dream was a mix of messages and symbols that took
me somewhere else. So so I'm sorry, this is confusing,
and I'm slightly embarrassed. But what in memory from this?
And I've been profoundly, you know, challenged by this vision
(16:44):
for a long time because, according to legend, the enemy
shot an arrow into the window of this castle. She
reads the message on the arrow and says, oh my goodness,
they're coming. I'm going to be brutally murdered or taken prisoners,
so she throws herself off the tower. In mine, I
was very assertive. I knew exactly what I was doing,
(17:08):
and I'll save the rest for another time, but it
does involved the motif of the dragon. But fast forward
to twenty twenty. I think it was I was watching
a BBC production of Dracula and they were filming at
a castle that I recognized, and I recognized the tower
(17:30):
and I went, oh, my god, there's the tower. And
here we are a few weeks later. You know, this
is another five years. Well, this is twenty twenty five,
So that was twenty twenty, so it's been many years.
This is unfolded, and I had my DNA testing done
(17:53):
and that DNA data was taken and it was a
direct matched to the Hungarian kings, the Rpad dynasty, and
they were amongst the founding members that the Order of
the Dragon in Eastern Europe. And this was new to
me as of like about a week or so ago,
(18:15):
and it just blew me away. So everything that happened
in that Lucid dream has come about, much to my
great surprise. Now Here I am writing about the Templars,
kingly lines, powerful Queen's spiritual traditions oppressed traditions, and I
(18:44):
never expected to have found that out. Now I don't
have a paper trail. I have a DNA trail, so
I don't know how that came about.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I would say DNA is better than a paper portrayal.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I think, well, there is an argument to be said
for that, because of you know, you never could tell
really who the father was, other than by physical appearance perhaps,
but you always know who your mother is. And that's
perhaps why the Jewish tradition of why you're you know?
So I'm I'm blown away by this series events of
(19:26):
events that have taken place over a long period of time.
It makes sense to me because of my interest level
and the topic. It's strange how one knows, and this
is I guess. What I'm trying to do is say
to people who are watching, what have you felt? What
dreams have you had?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Now?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I've had people write to me and say that they
know their genealogy, and some of the people that I
have who are friends with myself, they can go all
the way back to eight hundred something in Britain, me
in France, and they know exactly who they're related to.
Others have had dreams that they've told me about. And
(20:10):
it's in the West we don't really honor our ancestors
in the way that Shinto in Japan ancestral veneration. We're
comfortable with the term worship in this in the West
because we're conditioned to only worship, you know, the the
(20:31):
status quo. But veneration and acknowledgement and not.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Arrogance.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Knowing knowing isn't arrogance, but having inspiration and aspirations and
uh you know, knowing can can come in different ways,
from feeling to site to smell dreams, whether they're daylight,
(21:04):
whether they're deja vu, whether they're they're a dream state.
But when you get into the world of quantum mechanics,
that's mechanism that that this wild world we live in
where everything is actually outside of time and space and
(21:25):
through our daily lives, once in a while it punches
through and it's these these powerful resonances through our DNA,
from our past lives, from from uh family on the
other side guides you know, they sometimes those moments punch through.
(21:50):
Now for me, this has taken place over junctures over
many years, uh too. But I I've always I knew
something was there, but I didn't know intellectually until just
about two weeks ago. And I'm driven by this subject.
It helps me make sense of my life. It drives me.
(22:17):
It's not something I can put down. And I know
a lot of people who are listening right now feel
the same way. And this doesn't This cuts across all politics,
all denominations, whether you count yourself as a Christian or not.
(22:41):
And what's interesting about that too is I recently looked
up the demographic how many you know, what do women
in the United States? How do they identify? Seventy five
percent of American women identify as Christians. But when you're
(23:03):
talking about forty five thousand different denominations, what does that
look like? And I've got I have so many readers
who across all political divides who have embraced Mary Magdalen,
regardless of how they vote on both sides of that challenging, challenging,
(23:25):
you know fence. That is incredible. She is important to
to so many for so many reasons. And you and
I were talking about the statistics of this DNA as well,
and I think you had some information on that well.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We had while we were producing the film Bloodline and
as I was telling you off the off the air,
I really don't remember if this actually made it into
the film. I think it did. It was just a
small part where we were on the phone with this
professor at MIT, and he had written a book or
(24:10):
several books on statistical things, like just interesting, kind of
a fun book in a way. And so we put
the problem to him, if there's indeed a bloodline of
Jesus and Mary Magdalen, how many people are in it today?
Who would be in it? And his answer was almost
(24:33):
near everybody. And after this many years and you know,
the turning over of the DNA, and I know that
you had someone to tell you something similar but not
quite as as much as everyone, but it was millioniles.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah. A mathematician many years ago, you know, ago said
that there would be a roximately thirty five million individuals
based on three children if there were no accidents, you know, uh, sicknesses,
et cetera, et cetera, but exponentially, you know that that
(25:15):
that would grow quickly. And if one in four Europeans
are related to Charlemagne, now he's called the Father of
Europe for reason now recently recently yeah, uh yeah, well,
well it's it's try to be concise here. It's I
(25:39):
recently came across another you know, you'll find this on
YouTube if you look. But this other individual said that
everybody you know in Europe would have been related to Charlemage.
Now I don't know how that works. That's not where
my skill set is. But it's listening. I think listening
(26:02):
to one's heart outside of I think one must also
listen to one's motivation. And I've discovered that Mary Magdalene
was venerated as Cassiopeia since at least herad of Landsbergh's
(26:24):
Garden of Delights, which was an encyclopedia for her nuns.
For the leadership of her monastery Hoen, I've forgotten, but
I found I found evidence in a illustrated frontispiece that
she was being venerated as Cassiopeia. So you've got the
(26:47):
woman enthroned Cassiopeia that revolves around the poll star, which
is Jesus, and she's holding a mirror. And if you
go back to above the Platonic Mystery school archway, you
you had know thyself, which means get in there and
(27:08):
dig up your dart. What are your motivations? What who
what makes you tick as a human being? What is
the psychology that makes you work? And what are what
are the human foibles you know that we all have
in the YouTube is so wonderful today? You know, there
are so many wonderful psychology UH portals out there and
(27:29):
uh individuals like doctor Ramani who has been featured many
times on the History Channel, or you know the car
animated psychotherapy, like the School of Life. You know, so
how to how to grow up basically and become an
adult instead of a woman child or a man child.
(27:52):
And when you can do that, then you've got a
basis for being very powerful full spiritually and understanding what
Mary Magdalen's understood. And we you know, you and I
were speaking about one of the Gnostic Gospels where Peter says,
(28:14):
why are you hanging out with her? I'm kind of
annoyed with you, you know, because that culture was very strict
and women were basically, you know, second class citizens at best.
And Jesus turns around and says, are you kidding? Look
at her? God? So so.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And plus she did understand the more deep teachings much
better than the other disciples did. Yes, yes, why you
know she that was so special or one of the
reasons she was so special to him. And we also
discussed how, you know, by my thinking that he had
(29:02):
actually chosen Mary Magdalen for those reasons to be the
head of the church, but she was usurped by Peter. Yes,
and I've got this little theory, you know, because in
the Bible it says that Jesus said, this is Peter,
and upon this rock, I will build my church. And
(29:26):
everybody thought he's saying for one thing, because Peter means rock,
and that, you know, I'll build my church, you know,
upon Peter, the rock of the church. But I was
looking at it and reading it. I remember this was
years ago now thinking because he was talking and he
(29:49):
said something about this is Peter and upon this rock,
I'll build my church. I think he was pointing to
an actual rock, you know, So maybe that's been misunderstood
all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Of course, like a sacred site, yeah, uh, yes, yes,
the sacred mountain, the sacred you know, which has come
down to us in freemasonry as Mount Herodom.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And there have been multiple locations chosen for that in Europe.
But it's it's also a philosophical idea. But that's a
that is a great insight. I I like that.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And you know we're talking about the whole ancestral memory
or genetic memory and how you know, you separate things
but they still behave in the same ways. But you know,
we see that in a physical way with people and animals.
Their bodies will adapt over time to circumstances that they're
(30:58):
bind themselves in, and then over time they become that way.
Maybe they're develop a longer legs or you know, something
some physical attribute that becomes the norm after time. And
but it hunts back to the fact that they had
(31:20):
to you know, climb trees or whatever it was that
they had to do way way back in time. You know,
you can see it on a physical level. Why couldn't
it be also on a spiritual or metaphysical level that
we have these sort of.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Absolutely, I think it all starts on the inside. And
whether your body adapts to a need, as in a
population base because of of stressors or or or whatever,
or desire for for for something else to happen. Yes,
(32:03):
and it's what I found what I what I find
interesting when you think about and I'm sorry this slightly
off topic, when you but when you consider Mexico and
the Day of the Dead, and this is a very
Catholic society today, but they it's imbued with their their prior,
(32:26):
you know, their prior impetus is but the Day of
the Dead is amazing because they acknowledge on October thirty
first that the veil between the worlds is the thinnest
and you can speak to your grandfather, your grandmother, talk
to you know, the people that have crossed over and
ask for advice and say thank you to them for
(32:47):
their choices which resulted in you. And that's something that
that as Westerners, Western Europe, you know, the United States.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Or yeah, tendants of Europeans, because in Nicco they definitely
honor our ancestors and communicatm and the Native Americans. You know,
the whole.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Ansral thing is huge, yes, culture, but some reason, any
in Europe it was a big deal. What somehow we
kind of cut that cord when we came to the
United States or to the New World, and it's sort
(33:35):
of like.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
We just sprouted up from here, you know, because I
really don't remember anyone ever talking about my ancestry or
anybody else's, you know, pre Civil War, you know, we
didn't try to think back to where, well we might
have been you know, German, or we might have been this,
(34:00):
it's always just our American ancestry and it's so weird
that we that we do that. It's like we've become disconnected.
And I wonder if that might be part of our problem.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I having lived in the UK for since two
thousand and two, predominantly I've noticed in Americans almost a
feeling of orphan and you know, longing to get to
go home in some way. And that's why the relationship
between the UK and the US has always been so
(34:34):
strong with common language. We have more common with the
UK than we do with friends because of the share
the shared language and culture is the same. And that
has always astounded me. And the amount of documentaries on
the History Channel, and of course the Curse of Oak Island,
(34:55):
which I've been privileged to consultant on off and on
since twenty eighteen. You know, Americans want with a yearning
to to you know, remember and be integrate that into
their life somehow. And I think also, you know, you know,
(35:16):
the royals, nobility, the educated classes, they kept track of
births and marriages and it wasn't really, you know, And
of course records get destroyed, et cetera. I came across
a study which I've been repeating endlessly, in this study
done by twenty academics or something like that, we have
(35:39):
lost ninety percent of our secular documents in Europe ninety percent.
So we think we know a lot about our European ancestry.
I tell you, what does that ninety percent if we're
only operating on ten percent, what did that ninety percent say?
And so this is where you get into arguments about
(35:59):
the templar and these other histories. And for me, I
like to come at it from an anthropological point of view.
Psychology point of view and a human point of view
is look at how we are as people today. We
haven't changed that much. So you today, other than you know,
(36:21):
a strict culture would be the same, you know, you
would be responding to your environment in the same way.
Trying to say, but but there's so much we've lost,
So it's gosh, I guess what I would like to say,
you know, in light of in light of my experience
(36:42):
having that that lucid lucid dream, and I only shared
half of it, and and with the the this this
castle in in in eastern Europe and the Order of
the Dragon, and I just uh and then the inclusion
of of of Vladrakul's first first wife, who is not
(37:05):
on record anywhere. I found a reference to her once
years ago, but that's been wiped, wiped clean. I can't
find a reference to her anymore. But it's the wrong
castle and the wrong you know, the wrong family. But
because you know it was important in the information I
was receiving to understand that that the Order of the
(37:26):
Dragon was important. But it was Eastern, it was, it
was more in modern day Hungary and Slovakia, et cetera.
But the Arpad dynasty. Uh so, it was emerging of
symbols and information. But so to to to talk to
your grandparents, ask for guidance. And this is where Catholicism
(37:52):
the saints come in. Now, now that's slightly different because
you might not be related to them. But one of
my ancests or is a Saint Stephen. So uh so,
so that's that's been been interesting to discover discover that
because he was one of the king, Stephen became Saint Stephen.
(38:16):
So ask ask now uh and and it will come
to you now, Uh, there is nothing wrong for the
for the devoted Christians who only speak to to Jesus
or to to to Yeshua. Uh, this is part of
(38:37):
that myriad of which denomination is right. You can't ask
that anymore, not with forty five thousand different Christians. So
go ahead and talk to him. But uh, what what
we have through Mary Magdalene is go ahead and talk
to her too, because she is more than likely you're
(38:59):
ancestral mother and the new Eve who was found blameless
by him who married her. And why you and I
are having this conversation today, so.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know, it's it's interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know, of course, the.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Catholic Church and others have really mainly venerated the Mother Mary,
the Virgin Mary. And yes, she is very prominent in
a lot of people's lives. And there have been a
lot of marry insidings that people consider to be Mother Mary,
(39:53):
but they don't really know, you know, who it is
most of the time. You know, they call her the
lady or the White Lady, or you know, when they're
having these these Mary and apparitions. But there's something about
something about Mary, something about Mary Magdalen that seems to
(40:15):
really connect with people with women today. And I wonder
if it has something to do with that whole you know,
derision of hers being a prostitute, and you know, now
she's being redeemed. And it's almost like because we grew
(40:38):
up at least I did, and kind of knowing it
was better to be a boy and easier. And you know,
if you're a boy, you would be elected president of
the class. If you're a girl, you would be elected
treasurer or secretary of the class, as I was many times, and.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I member in school.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know, the boys, the smart boys, would always get
all this praise, but there was always more smart girls
and they would just get ignored. You know. It was
kind of funny, but it was we just accepted it.
That's just the way it was, because he's a boy,
you know. And I remember the first time in nineteen
(41:24):
eighty two when I read Holy Blood, Holy Grail and
they entertained the idea of the marriage of Jesus and
Mary Magdalene and a little bit about her history, and
I remember feeling so vindicated somehow, not that I had
(41:47):
been a big Mary Magdalen follower up to that time,
but I realized it felt personal, and it was like
by raising her up, you know, to her rightful position,
it uplifts all of us and in particular all women.
(42:11):
And do you think that is the reason why people
are so enamored with her?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Oh yeah, I mean if she was worthy enough to
have been his bride, who his confidante, his co equal,
he ascends, you know, after the crucifixion, and she stays
(42:43):
and continues the mission and passes down the training, the traditions,
and it wasn't eradicated. It couldn't be. And I can't
wait to share what I have found in the last
year plus on on this front. I know either she
(43:08):
was the new Eve, and in the three Abrahamic religions
everything is Eve's fault. And you you they are terrible
things you know said about women by not all but
you you you have two classes of of of men
in in in these religions, and in one does not
(43:29):
like women at all. The other one wants to have
a relationship with women and have uh, doesn't feel intimidated,
isn't abusive, wants to to grow and have a good,
great family, a good life or whatever whatever you know.
So so in in in history, when you look at
(43:51):
at monarchs and the different relationships they have with their
their wives. You see it play out and you see
that in the letters, you know, Saint Augustine and if
you're if you're in the UK and where I you know,
Southeast England, not far from Canterbury Cathedral where his first
(44:13):
church was. I think it's at five ninety seven. He
shows up with and it's not talked about much, but
he brings a Marovingian princess with him and she marries
the King of Kent. But it's the emphasis is put
on him bringing uh, trying to bring quasi heretical England
(44:36):
closer to Rome. And that's when when priests were no
longer allowed to marry at that juncture when he shows up.
But he also said that that women are not worthy
of life. Women are of Eve, and it's always her
Eve that shows up in a woman. You can't trust women,
(44:58):
and that's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Say, I'm in our tempesses.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, so you're either you know, or a virgin. Yeah,
And I'm sorry, but that's not how life comes into
the world. So so love and mutual respect in partnerships
and marriages, but you know, you get some, so you
get this hallmark of of of English history and church history,
(45:27):
what a great guy Saint Augustine was, and it affects
it affects everybody you know down the centuries. But there
are many moments in history where where the Roman Church
grabbed hold of the monarch, uh and and and wrested
(45:48):
power from the monarch. And there are many moments I've
I've you know, I've recently recently written about that. But
it's and I'm not saying that that that by any
stretch that that that I'm not endorsing monarchy as a
form of government. Uh. Basically, you know, you if you've
(46:13):
got a priestly cast going back into ancient summer into
ancient Greece, and Moses takes ancient Egyptian priesthood into an infuse,
it is into Judaism. I mean, the Egyptian Book of
the Dead is you know, the Ten Commandments is line
by line by line the Egyptian Book of the Dead,
(46:35):
and and you can look that up. It's pretty darn easy.
But no religion springs out of the ground, originally formed
with zero prior contact with any other culture. It doesn't exist.
So when when Jesus comes in, he's basically an exiled king. Uh.
And he's of a Jewish background with with ancient Egyptian
(46:58):
priestly uh uh spiritual gifts, profound spiritual gifts. Uh. And
he he shares that and initiates Mary Magdalene, and that
goes right into Europe. Now you're had its own prior
impetuses as well. Uh. That's another thing. Forgive me, you know,
(47:21):
So no culture is devoid of a prior spiritual culture.
I hope that makes sense. If I lost the plot,
forgive me it really.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It looks kind of complicated, but it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
And and you've got you know, you've got the Madonna figure.
The original Madonna figure is is Isis who is married
to Tuosirius and they have Horus and there she is
seated with with her you know, her her child. And
that is the earliest, you know, form of a Madonna
(48:02):
figure which gets borrowed and perpetuated. And Mother Mary is important,
but Mother Mary is often masking Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, that's what I think as well.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, picking the two of them apart isn't always easy.
And then of course you have the black Madonna, which
could be a reference to Sarah and the daughter and
Sarah meaning literally a Hebrew princess.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Right, it could be a reference to Mary Magdalene, yes,
as being in reference not necessarily to complexion, but to
the occult nature.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well, well, it's a Cinderella. It's a Cinderella. Uh motif,
isn't it because she has to she has to hide. Yeah,
because it's dangerous. So so forgive me. I'm excited, and
I think, I all, this is really a great conversation.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
So I'm so sorry about the technical problems. But for
one thing, the good news is is that many, many
more people will hear this show than see it because
it goes out, you know, in audio and video first,
but then it's shared on all the podcasts platforms, and
(49:25):
that's where most of the audience comes from. So they
won't even know about our camera glitches. They might hear
me baffing around trying to do something about.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
It, at it won't ruin their picture. Yeah, indeed, Well
we got it, got through it, and it wasn't that that.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, And I even switched cameras in the middle because
it seemed to be I was just unplugging everything that
I didn't absolutely have to have because my picture went black.
I couldn't see anything, and that includes even operating the
board here. So anyway, hopefully I'll get that straightened out
(50:09):
before next week. But it also could be due to
we are in some crazy weather here in southern California.
It has been.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Raining and raining. You know.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
We were begging for rain a couple of weeks ago
when we had the big fires, and we still need it.
But you know, unfortunately after the fires, you get the mudslides,
you know, when you get a lot of rain. So
I hope we get enough but not too much. Yeah,
you know, feeling for all the people that are displaced
(50:42):
in Los Angeles right now, and especially those that are
not super wealthy and staying at the Beverly Wilshire, you know,
because not everybody that lost their home was a movie star,
yeah in the Palisades, but anyway, Yeah, there were people
that have lived out there for a long time, or
(51:03):
their house was a family home and so when their
parents bought it, it was like eighty thousand dollars and
now it's worth like five million, you know, and they'll
never be able to rebuild or come back. And those
are the people that are heartbreaking to me. But thank goodness,
the fires are over. Although I did here earlier this evening,
(51:26):
someone sent me a little news report that they had
arrested some guys today out trying to set fires in
the rain. I'm not sure how much luck they were having,
But what are they doing? Why would you want to
do something like that?
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, it's horrible, you know they Oh it's just a
lack of empathy. You know what's wrong with that person? Yeah,
you know, just devastating, devastating.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
No self awareness. You know, we're talking about really know thyself.
That is so so good. And I remember when that
just sort of hit home for me, you know it
was I mean, I heard it all my life, but
what it really meant, you know, I didn't figure that
(52:22):
out for quite a while, I don't think. And it meant,
you know, everything is inward end, as Jesus supposedly said,
you know, the Kingdom of Heaven is within. So all
you have to do is know your true self and
be that, and you're fine. You're just fine. And because
(52:48):
if you are that, if it's your true self, you
are going to be a positive force in the world.
You're going to do the right thing, You're going to
be kind, you're going to be supportive, and you know,
all this other stuff just falls by the wayside when
you really know what's up.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
And that's a perfect lead into you know, in the
it's complicated. It's like one coin in the realm of
quantum mechanics. I had this experience and it's turned out
to be rooted in reality, although I didn't really understand
(53:27):
at the time what it all meant. But so, okay,
so I'm part of this stream and the traditions, the history,
the mysteries. Her story is very important to me. But
how do I show up in service rather than in
self aggrandizement, which I see a lot in this field.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
It's different. It's difficult, Yeah, and as our biggest enemy,
I think, yeah, And it's and it's subject to it,
you know, it's like it's easy to fall prey to
the ego. And I you know, there have been times
when I've just embarrassed myself because I was getting all
(54:13):
like thinking I was all this and all that, and
suddenly I thought, what in the world I've been invited
to speak at this place? And I think they were
like maybe you know, a couple thousand people there, and
I had been told that if we came there to speak,
we are guaranteed that we would have a standing ovation. Well,
(54:36):
if you're guaranteed a standing ovation, then how real is
that standing ovation really going to be if people have
just been told to do it? Yeah, how can I
guarantee it?
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Anyway?
Speaker 2 (54:48):
So I knew that going up, went up there, did
the presentation and everything, and then everyone was just going
wild and give it as a standing ovation. And I
caught myself standing on stage doing this.
Speaker 3 (55:06):
You're excited, you were really excited, and it was a star.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
And so but in the middle of it, right there
in mid you know, throwing kisses, I said, what are
you doing? You know this was staged. You know that
whether or not they thought you were the most horrible
speaker in the world, they were going to give you
a standing ovation. Yet you fell for it. Anyway, it
(55:39):
felt so good, and it was funny because a few
months later I knew someone else that went to speak
and I said, oh, how was it, and he goes,
I it was good, And I said did you get
your standing ovation? And he said yep. I said yeah, good,
and he started laughing and he said, yet did and
(56:02):
I said, man, I caught myself really like eating that up.
It was it was a shame anyway, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
It's challenging. It's challenging. I think that that that it's
really important to to not down ourselves either, because we've
we've all been taught to feel guilty, feel shame that
you're it's your fault, you know. But but that is
really counter productive to the immune system. If you're happy
(56:30):
or are satisfied and contented with your life, your immune
system is going to be more stronger. I don't think
that we're supposed to be feeling horrible about who we are,
and I don't think we're supposed to because we were
We were created through the divine mind, I think, maybe
through the long lens of time, but through from those
(56:54):
higher levels of you know, we have solidified into these forms.
The Garden of Eden, the Fall. All of these are
metaphors from a very long time ago, written under a
thinking pattern that might not be very human or kind.
But you know, our immune systems are meant to respond
(57:16):
to love, kindness, positivity, and I'm not I mean, we
have to be responsible, we need to. We we love
adventuremen like hard work as human beings, and you know,
we have to contribute to you know, we have to
contribute to our world or basically we die, you know.
I mean, if you're a hunting party, you know, wandering
around and hunting and gathering, you've got to participate or
(57:40):
you go out. So it's this balance of the real
physical action with positivity and an assoulid. Yeah, and don't
don't let people tell you you're not worth it and
you're unworthy somehow. But aspiration is all day long, and
(58:03):
we're creatures of driven by huge hormonal powers to keep
the human race going. If we didn't have that drive,
we would be over a long time. So we're battling
the human system along with aspirations of becoming, you know,
(58:28):
becoming greater within and in our lives and to our communities.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
And on that note, we are out of time. We've
gone a little bit over. But I don't think our
executive producer, Bill will mind too much. If he does,
he can take it up with me. No, he's very good,
and I just hope he's able to deal with the
show with all the glitches in it tonight, but he
should be at least on the audio portion of it.
(58:58):
But anyhow, Gretchen thank you so much much, and I
hope to see you soon on the other side of
the pond, and it'll be fund doing some good work together.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
I look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
And those of you who are looking at the screen
you see up there Gretchen Cornwall World Tree Music. Look
her up on YouTube. You won't believe it. She's got
a hauntingly beautiful voice and there's some very wonderful medieval
sounding tunes and things. It's just it's really gorgeous. And
(59:30):
also check out Gretchencornwall dot com and go to her
shop at Gretchencornwall dot com slash shop. There's some cool
brings up there. I'm getting some all right, guys, Well,
thank you so much and Gretchen, thank you, and I
hope to speak super Sleeper soon.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Whoops.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
Anyway, Oh, there was one work thing I was gonna
gonna say. Next week I should have James Martin on
and we will be delving into Templar stuff and.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I am going to nail him on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Some things that he found, because a lot of people
try to say that the Templars didn't have any connection
with Mary Magdalen at all, but he has found some
solid evidence in documents in you know, academic archives that
show that they did venerate Mary Magdalen, and so I'll
(01:00:31):
get him to talk a little bit about that, along
with the rest of the Templar history. Thanks everybody.
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