207 - Deep Space Nine Reunion with Special Guests (Bonus Episode) - No Win Scenario

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On this special, no very special episode of No Win
scenario with Trevor and down Mark Lunchery. Yeah, I appreciate
everybody bringing me out of my cage to sposialize with civilization.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I appreciate what Star Trek did to me. And I'm
doing really well. I mean, I felt great, and I
know that what this time in my life was a
Star Trek was special.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
If there was a nuclear holocaust, only cockroaches and extras
would survive, and the extras would answer to the cock
row I was doing.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
One job and along the way I saw the thirty
year old murder.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
And Nimoy and I wrapped were in the makeup trailer
and he just rips his ear golf and throws him
in the garbage, and I go, oh, no, you didn't,
and I'd take him out of the garbage.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We got so much experience there that the fact that
there's a stigma on someone doing that job that they
shouldn't be looked at as an actor, it's kind of silly.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I haven't listened to anything you've said in the last
twenty seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Damn it, Trevor, Oh God, I hate you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Well, it's you we can cross off the reading.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
I watch almost everything in the majority of this Terro.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
What is this podcast about?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
My record?

Speaker 5 (01:16):
He's turning off?

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Damn it. Trevor. Hi, everyone, and welcome to the special
bonus edition of No Win Scenario Podcast with Trevor and Don.
I am Don, I am Trevor. He followed that lead
really well. That was not rehearsed. Everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
That's a lie.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
We rehearse that about forty times.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
We don't get We don't have time to do a
big intro because we just wanted to release this add
on episode because we had an awesome time with toddle
time in our last episode and he was able to
round up some Deep Space nine pals that he worked
with and we were able to have a little reunion.
So let's listen in as Kathy DeBono, Robin Marcelli, Mark Entry,

(02:00):
and Todd Slayton have a Deep Space nine reunion.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yep, stick with us. It's really entertaining.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
We are here together to discuss with the gone and Trevor.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
There's time, everyone, can you I'm done.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
The bald Ones died.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Good to me.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
The Handsome One's done. Sorry, that's Trevor over there.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
I'm Trevor yeah bald, is it?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Ashual a handsome one.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Trevor and I we're gonna step back. Let let Todd
run the show. Todd's got an agenda here.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Oh no, no, I don't have an agenda. Listen to this.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Didn't you forage? You can put yurge.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I can't do this like let the criminals run the prison.
Ye Hi.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I'm Kathy DeBono. I worked on Star Trek as Terry
Farrell's I did her minor stunts. I was her photo double.
I was her stand in. I also played Empella, the
Dabbo girl. And there were several aliens that you might
see me and the other stand ins in as a

(03:05):
makeup and as in Klingons. And I was a Vulcan
baseball player.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I was the Breen.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, we all got to do a lot of
different things.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Today.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I moved on from Star Trek to to have sort
of a long and fun indie film acting career of
my own. And also at the same time, I was
becoming a psychotherapist, which I now am. I'm in private practice.
I specialize in treating trauma.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm Robin Marcelli. I was a stand in for seven
years on Star trek D sixty nine. I did voiceovers
on the last year for Klingons and all the different
background voices, and I remember being a Klingon pregnant and
I was like disner a bulk if I had to
pee like every five seconds. That you know, Kathy and

(03:55):
you guys, the outfit was not easy.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
No, I wonder what are pregnant when an actual Klingon
would look like, what are their pregnancies?

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
How many do they last? What are their birds like?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I never talked about that.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
I don't think so we got a whole.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
There's there's definitely people more well, more well versed in
all that than I am.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Maybe they have eggs that they sit on. Are you guys,
no one's ever just go We don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
It's probably just a lot of screaming.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Places where no one has ever gone before.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
I'm sure now Todd has to bring in the process
of the mating process. How has that done?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
What is that?

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Of course Todd has to bring them.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
A lot of screaming. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Thanks me a visual that I can't unsee. Hi, I'm
Mark Lentry. I was n a l version Walla stand
in for six and a half years. Uh left during
the left half of this last season, went to Magnificent seven,
which was a.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Show to work on.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I got the right horses every day on a Western set.
It was great. The last acting thing I did was
I guess back two thousand and seven where I did.
I had a recurring role on a show called Wicked
Wicked Games with Tatum O'Neil, and they let me write
my own dialogue, provide my own wardrobe, and I figured

(05:23):
I'm going out on top because it doesn't get any
better than that. So I retired after that, and I
got involved in the in the Star Trek conventions and
the comic cons building Star Trek enterprises out of solid
mahogany with remote control lighting and sold those for like
fifteen hundred bucks. Pace did that for a while. Then

(05:44):
La became too untenable to live in unless you're a
millionaire at my age. Unless I'm living with the gall
I'm in love with. I don't want roommates, you know.
So I left and moved to Tucson. And I feel
like a fish out of water here because you see
how I dressed. This is me casual. It's my Hollywood
cas the casual year in Tucson. I think they dressed

(06:07):
this way for wedding. They were dirty baseball ads, pe
shirt storts, vandals and socks like they did they escaped
from the Alzheimer's ward at the retirement home. Anyway, that's
what I'm dealing with here now, and two thong going,
I'm a fish out of water? What am I doing here?

Speaker 5 (06:27):
We talk about golden time, and that's sixteen hours on
set and that means we got penalties for me and Cat, well,
all of us who did makeup. We'd get there at
two in the morning. So eight o'clock in the morning,
we're supposed to be going to the breakfast. Well, we
can't do that because the crew is still setting up
the lighting. Jonathan's doing his stuff KK, all those guys

(06:48):
are working. So that's a meal penalty, and then there's
another mal penalty and another one. So sometimes by the
time lunch came around, I was in like six meal penalties.
Then there was smoke on set. Then they would ask
me to do something special with either one of the
actors or a stunt guy, and that would be a bump.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
So you know, I mean here.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Eight way yet ba cup was an extra fifty bucks.
So at sixteen hours, all that overtime, all those bumps,
all those meal penalties went into our hourly wage. So
at some points we were making back twenty five years ago,
two hundred and some dollars an hour as nobody's as
a background. As you know, pelon scan go anywhere, we

(07:34):
want to know, That's why we walk real slow.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
We would have our flat rate, and then you know,
at eight hours you're go into overtime. At sixteen hours
you go into golden time, which means every hour after
sixteen you get your whole daily rate per hour. And
if we were in makeup and there was smoke on set,
and there were all these additional things that were another
bump on top of it that went on your base pay,
so by sixteen hours, every hour after that you were

(07:56):
making whatever your daily base pay was that day. But
by sixteen we'd gone through delirious, we'd gone through exhausted,
gone through all the body aches and sleepiness and wishing
we would wrap. And then you reach sixteen and you're like,
I'm here.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Fifteen hours and a half in their bathroom, And was
it common to go over sixteen on star Trek.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, kind of, I would say common, but it wasn't rare.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
That's how I would say it. I would say I
would say weekly for me, Oh, it would happen.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Here's a question, because when you when they get you
off the set, it's not it's not over because all
the pieces and all that. It takes like an hour
and something to get all that off safely. You can't
rip that off your faith.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah, so dude, wrap.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Taking your costume off and go put hanging out up
so then they will that you're still in the clocks.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
But uh, and we would let them rush that because
it was kind of it wasn't safe to take that
stuff off like that. You had to read a little
cuto and you actually makeup artists had to stay over
time two.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
To take that off. SHO help us.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
They didn't mind, No, they didn't mind.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I would come out of the wings to do the
Klingon episodes that they would have like what once a
year where was all based on Klingons? And I go, okay,
I'll do it. And I remember you guys were talking
about it on the one podcast you were on that
I watched, and the long hours you get there two
in the morning. They had a whole bunch of extras

(09:28):
and stand ins doing this, So you'd have maybe four
makeup artists there and it would take three hours, so
they'd crank out. Uh what by the time the crew
showed up at eight and we got there two, they
could have maybe eight klingons ready, you know. But at
five o'clock they brought in more makeup artists to crank
out more to have us on a set. And I

(09:50):
remember the one time I did it, and I said
I made more money than Jonathan West, who was the
director of for the I see. He said, you made
more than iighted this week, but I paid for it.
It was literally seven days of twenty one hour days. Yeah,
I was with you, brother, because they were like fifteen
sixteen hours and then three hours to get out. And
after the first night, like an idiot, I got out

(10:13):
of makeup till three hours and it was eleven o'clock
at night, and I said, you got to be back
here at two in the morning. I'm going, oh my god.
So the next night I just said, is it okay
with West morning everybody else? I keep my makeup on
and I would sleep in wardrobe. I wouldn't even go home.
I'd fall asleep on a pile of dirty Star Trek uniforms,

(10:34):
really crash and have the makeup on as long. And
it stayed the makeup artist time in the morning, having
to do three hours golf three hour you really do to.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Just sleep in the big in the outfitl.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I took that off. I got down in the T
shirt and you know, but I had the head in
the wig and every and all they had to do
was sucked me up the next morning, make sure nothing be.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Really Mark, I was not.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I would have done that with you.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
We could have had a little click on overnight slumber party.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
We plit Russian cale, all the dirty Starfleet uniforms of
wardrobe pile over in the corner. I remember Russell English
cling on, snoring away and doing it all over again
the next day. And by the end of that seven days,
I had the flu. I was so exhausted in it,
and my skin was destroyed because I never took the makeups.
I never took it off. He didn't let it breathe.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Okay, that was an episode that I was so annoyed
with Mark. It wasn't his fault because they he came
late because Mark didn't like doing makeups, and I was like,
all about the money, and uh, we had to learn
to cling on that it was not an anthemising on
national and that's I still know. It's just dirty all
we got to hear it, yea, but but at any rate,

(11:44):
So so I studied. I forget who it was, like
Hans Zimmer or somebody who. I mean, they came in
and they had like ten of us and I was
the main one, and I learned the entire thing that
I still know. You don't even see me on TV.
But Mark turns all right in the camera and he's like,
who created and that's all he knew. And I was like, man,
I mean I studied that thing today, I still know it,

(12:07):
and Mark them I'm.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Getting it on.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
He got the screen time. I was like, what the
hell you turn?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I mean, I'll never forget He's dresses some raggedy kling on.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
It's almost as ugly as Kathy was.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And he da that one ugly Did you've been in
that picture of the time I did the clean out?
And I think only did it that one time. Yeah,
they'll get it off.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Trust feed, they have everything. He sent me though out,
Why did you only do it once? Mark? Did you
not hated it?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I didn't like doing background work. I understood at the time.
I know it's a little different now with how they
treat the background, but back then it was if you
did background, they did not see you as an actor
and they would not give you a part. They just,
you know, as far as they were concerned. Back in
those days, if there was a nuclear holocaust, only Cockrow

(13:00):
do the extras would survive, and the extras would answer
to the cock road. So you know, so I did
not want to be seen doing extra work and left.
I was in all this make compan You couldn't tell
it was me. If you're going to see my face
on camera, words are coming out and you're paying me,
I hear you did? I work too long and hard
to get the union card and pay my dues.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
There was that sort of stigma. I hope that stigma's
not there anymore, because I'll you're.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Not there anymore from what I understand, because there's so
much of everybody getting nowadays. You're staying the wrong thing
to the wrong person, and lawsuits and well, I'll tell
you something.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
It's a It was a misguided stigma. And I'll tell
you why, because when I came to LA and had
zero experience, what is it? What's it like to be
on a set that's a whole universe that you have
to learn, the vernacular and the politics and the guidelines
and the cult of the social norms and stuff. You
walk on a set, it's it is like being in
outer space. And I'll tell you that stigma was really

(13:58):
misguided because working in background or being a stand in
is the absolute best way to get comfortable in that university.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Oh I agree, I agree with very stuff going on
around you.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
You have very low responsibility, low pressure. You do have
responsibility being you do have you do have pressure, but
it's very low.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
And you can sit.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Back and be a sponge and watch the actors and
watch what they do, and watch the set and learn
what is a grip? What is a you know? What
do the electricians do? What does blocking mean? And I
got the best education that way. So when I went
on and I was cast as an actor in movies,
I was not, you know, in a universe that was

(14:43):
shocking me. I was already ready to go. I already
knew what that looked like. So I always thought that
was a misguided stigma.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
To half.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
It was just like you're saying, Kathy, it was the
best learning experience we could have ever had, being as wet,
you know, behind the ears as we were, and I
just thank God for that opportunity. I mean, working with
all you guys, working with some of these guest stars
that we talked about, we know, Louise Fletcher. I mean,
come on, we were privileged and at the time, you know,

(15:12):
you and I were both the same age, Kathy. And
the thing that's really cool about it, I don't know
if you you and Kathy know that me and Mark
went on together to CSI after Deep Space, you know,
and that was a whole other experience. Jonathan West came over,
Chris Crossco came over at one point when CSI spun
off to CSI New York, I ran post production. That

(15:34):
being said, guys, Kathy helped solve a murder mystery you
can check out online.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
Too real in real life, you I was.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
This is a way too long story to tell you
the whole story here, but if you are interested in
knowing the story, you can go. A date line came
out about it this year, A two hour TV episode,
and the title of that episode is called The Girl
with the High Biscus Tattoo. And they also did a
six hour no I'm sorry, a six episode.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
I think it's about three hours, but.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
A six episode.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
A limited podcast series call a by dateline called Murder
in the Hollywood Hills, which I actually like a little
bit better. I like podcasts they go a little deeper.
But both of those, both of those will give you
all the details you need to know, except they actually
leave out the murder I solved along the way, the
one I was doing one job and along the way
I solved a thirty year old murder. And that's God

(16:29):
for that one. You know, you can google who who
solved the murder case of Donna Dickey and you might
come up with something. I think there's a local article
in Pennsylvania that's where that happened.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was not an actress. I was doing a I
was taking care of my mom actually in Seattle, and
we had a business up there which which kind of
went under because of my mother's health. And so I
came to La and after I got for her and
to because I was going to be I want I
always wanted to be an actress. I did theater and

(17:04):
all kinds of stuff earlier in my life. When I
came I had a couple interviews I did in the
Line of Fire with Clint Eastwood. I was an extra
in that. And did this crazy show The Nanny with
this horrible, the worst bridesmaid output that you could ever imagine.
It looked like I was at a quin scenario, but terrible.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Here's a fun fact about Robin.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Robin was a playboy bunny back in the day.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
At the club or in the magazine.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, not on the magazine I had got. I graduated
from West Illinois University with it.

Speaker 8 (17:44):
I was pre law, sociology degree and theater also pre law.
And so I paid for my own college. I you know,
went so I had to pay off my loan, my
loan for college. So I let in Western Illinois. I
was from Lake Zurich, Illinois. So right north of Illinois

(18:05):
was Lake Geneva Playboy Club. And I went up there
for a job. And I got.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
A job as a playboy bunny. And you know, cocktails
forty on a plate, but the notts, I can't imagine that,
AR think it's ready never moved. I wear birkenstocks.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Now, I never knew that Robin was one of those
little cut by tail anymore.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh yeah, I had a kale I did to keep
my cottontail on my here you go. But yeah, that
was a hard job that it is paid for my.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
College.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
And then after that I was I went to Continental Airlines.
I was a flight attendant for five years.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
So some women actually do become play by bunnies to
play for school. That's not just a trope.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Oh, Gloria signing on me?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Probably, I don't know, Mark, how.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Did you end up on Deep Space?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I was doing utility fand in on Next Generation and
during HOI is an interesting story. I don't know if
anybody really knows it. And during hiatus between nineteen ninety two,
before we started Deep Space nine, Mary Howard, the producer

(19:17):
of Next Generation, called me at home and said, we're
doing a spin off called Deep Space nine. Not everybody's
been cast yet. We want you to come in to
pay them ount a lot and do a makeup test.
We want somebody's got normal looking features to design the

(19:37):
makeup on for the security guard Odo, and you know,
we want to see what the makeup will look like.
And they would just pay me stand in, right, So
that's all I thought.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
It was.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It's like, okay, I'll go down. And they had me
sitting in the makeup chair. They put the seaweed all
over my head and I had to breathe through straws
and I'm kind of coster breathing, not movement, but breathing
to breathe through two tiny straws and stay that way
for about an hour until the stuff hardened. And while

(20:09):
in sitting there, the makeup artist was telling me. He says, yeah,
just about everybody on the show's been cast except for
the security guard. There's two people up for it. One
is Rene alberjeanwa and I don't know who the other
one is. Meanwhile, I'm sitting in the chair and they're
designing his makeup on me. Nobody's saying anything to me,
and I'm going, I'm getting paid extra standing, right, what

(20:29):
do I know? So they took the seaweed off, they
did a plaster Paris cast to set the pictures to
you for that, then they designed the makeup and then
there's two pictures. I think I set you todd of
where my hair, my hairlines all the way back here
with the first rendition of Odo's faith on Man. It
didn't end up looking that way, but that was their
first rendition. They wanted me to do a screen test

(20:55):
with the makeup in the costume. And I'm still thinking,
I'm just doing I'm just doing what they tell me.
You know. They said, so smile real big. They want
to see if there were wrinkles or something wrong with
the application or whatever and how it looked. So I'd smile.
Then they say, turned it left, so I turned it up.
They said, make a big face. Okay. I was just

(21:16):
doing the basic nothing and then they said, okay, well
then they decided to cast me as the stand in
Forrodo and I went cool. Seven years of you know,
consistent work, and it's come standing in for Renee. And
I know Robin got along with Renette and I never
had a problem with him, but he was just very

(21:37):
civil with me, and he kept me at an arm's length,
and I never knew why. When there was off camera dialogue,
he'd always want Randy to do it. He would never
let me do it. And I'm going, what did I do?
I come eat A I doesn't like me? And about
the third year and maybe the fourth year. Jonathan West,
our director of photography. We're all set one, you know,

(21:59):
taking a break or whatever, and he says, is Mark,
do you think you could have played Odo? I said,
well sure, I said, why do you add? He says,
you don't know, do you? I said no, what he
said you were the other actor that was up for it,
And I said, why didn't they tell me? He said, well,
they thought you were just to stand in without acting experience.
They didn't want to freak you out or make you nervous.

(22:22):
I said, I'm freaking out now that they didn't tell
me because I didn't that screen tests instead of just
turned to the left.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
But here said another Star Trek related story, Mark telling
them about you doubling for our spot in the eBay
ear story. I think that's pretty foul. That was on.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I think it was a two part Next Generation episode
called Unification that Nimoy was on and they had done.
I said, yes, I will do background on that one.
I will be a Vulcan part of his emissary. I
want to be right next to him. And they had
wrapped us about the same time, and like you guys

(23:03):
have discussed, the actors had the you know, the spirit
to players, just rip the stuff off. We had all it,
and Nimoy and I wrapped. We're in the makeup trailer
and he just rips his ears off and throws them
in the garbage and I go, oh, no, you didn't,
and I take him out of the garbage, and I
hang on to him for about twenty years, and I

(23:23):
ended up offering them off on online auction for Star
Trek stuff. I held on to it for twenty years
that I had odo math one that was used with
his makeup on one that was unused. I had a
William Shatner pen that he had made for Wrath of
con only two hundred of them made of the emblem
that penned on sold those. So the baseball on Avery's

(23:44):
death that he gave me. Avery said, don't say I
never gave you anything, mister Wunter, and he tossed me
to baseball.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
At the end of one year from the Hollow Suite
too too.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I got more from that baseball than the Spock ears.
And I'm going I talked to Todd about this. I went,
I'm gonna go out buy some baseball. But Stark crek.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
Im they couldn't prove it they'd have to do some
CSI on the threading if that was the thread that
was used in ninety nine or whatever.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
How do you But that being said, do you guys
remember the last episode was a two parter. They gave
us one hundred and twenty page script. It was black
on the script was black.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Two of them.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
At the end of the you remember that skipp woman,
like Rob, I was gone. I was gone with Terry.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, we'll talk about that last.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Year, you know, as the Dabo girl a few times.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
But great.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
You know, once Terry was gone, I was gone, which
was a.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Sad day for me. But I come see you guys
on on on filming night. Remember I had sneaked by
tracker Hang uh yeah, I'm Becker. But that script. I
got those sharpies. One was gold woman with silver and
like I said, everybody showed up, like all the producers
who we only knew a name, they all came and
I didn't. I walked right up to Rick Berman, Michael

(25:03):
piller Ira, and I had all the what I considered
the quote unquote good guys, including the producer, signed my
script in the gold sharpie. It's those highlighter sharpies. Then
I had like Mark Alaimo and Louise and everybody else
signed in silver front back inside wherever. Yeah, and they
I think I was right with you, Dave. Oh well,

(25:23):
if you still got it, you're sitting on the gold mine.
Dave Levinson sold out on eBay before he even got on eBay.
And you want to know how much she sold it for?
Thirty five hundred dollars. I got nine hundred bucks for
twenty five years ago. The other thing was the Trible
I sold their triple for seven hundred and fifty dollars

(25:46):
and it was hilarious. The guy said, well, can I
get a certificate of authenticity? I said, I am the
certificate chit. So he went and I MD beat me
and then I just had to print out a certificate
of authoricate. So an e baby seven hundred.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I have a few troubles.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Well, as you sit down, money holmeie, I have a.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I used to do extra like little but I think
I said maybe in another podcast with you guys. I
used to do extra stuff for the production, you know,
like one time I had the Dalai Lama's group of
guys there and I had to give a tour for them, and.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
There's a pick.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I think I said, wow, I'm standing there with the
blessed scarf, and I had to. We did tours with them,
and I also did a lot of Make a Wish
Foundation tours with kids and brought them to the actors
and stuff like that. And so anyway they did. They
used to give me some you know, uh, you know,
different stuff from the office, you know, books and stuff

(26:42):
like that. And they gave in this huge book it's
all about Star Trek and I have everybody's signature in it.
And I don't know what I mean, I don't that's
I don't think there's anything other than like that anywhere
that's signed up. I mean, that's sometimes that's pretty interesting looking.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
To wrap up the Renee story, it all made sense
once Jonathan told me I was up for the part.
As to why Renee kept me the hand he knew
I was the other actor up for now, I mean
standing in photo double and I don't know, maybe his
you know, actors are sometimes insecure. I don't know if
this is the case. But he's like, if I screw up,

(27:21):
he's there to replat me, So I don't want him
around me. I don't know that makes sense to me otherwise.
I don't know why that was the case.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, sometimes cast they're not too secure. But I mean
he after he got cast and they got had to
cast and it was pretty solid that would be I
could see how that could happen.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't He wasn't ever bad. To mean,
we talked a lot, but we never joked and they
got close like you and he did, you know, it
was always like arms distance. I'm going on. I don't
know it is this the French thing, you know, you
know they're French, a little elitied, they don't talk to anybody,
don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
He warmed up a lot as he years went by,
But I just got along with them, and I did
a lot of lines and stuff with him because I
just happened to be there. Because I was all of
the people that he did his scenes with, like Solome
and Louise, I stood in for them so when they
had to get them out of makeup to get him
in the next day, I spent some time with Renee

(28:22):
doing lines, and he, you know, was comfortable with me,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
And that's just another thing where that stigma of of
not hiring extras or stand ins as actors is ridiculous.
We get so much experience. They're a great choice for
producers listening out there mine your extras because we are
there paying you know, we were. I was there was
one of the we are there paying attention. We are
there getting practice like that like star trucks.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Well, you show up on the set. You know, you
show up on the set and you know what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
And when we read off camera lines, we were acting
for those actors.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
We weren't just spit out its back to them. We
were giving them something to work with. I mean, we
got so much experience there that the fact that there's
a stigma on someone doing that job that they shouldn't
be looked at as an actor. It's kind of silly.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
With everything that you learn on the bet that no
acting clients whoever teach you like how to do you
know over the shoulder, you know where to you know, look,
how to hit your mark. They don't teach you that.
We learned all that on finding the lens.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You know, finding the lenses is huge.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
You can't look for it.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You got to know where it is.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
You got to know camera left versus your left versus
camera right downstage sense.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You know, we got to build all that stends up
and side of us. I know that moving on and
having done you know, indie films afterwards and getting to
be my own actor, I know all that that had
nurtured me from Star Trek and made me ready.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, Well it was different for me because again Soroka
had limitations on set, so I was thrown in man like, uh,
you know, reading with Avery and Michael Dorn and Levar's directing,
and I'm just overwhelmed because that's come to Kente and
now I'm standing in front of him and he's holding
me by my shoulders, going and then You're gonna go

(30:13):
over here, and I'm like, okay, okay, and Aby's well,
well listen, kid, you need to relax when you do that,
and I'm just like, holy crap, I can't believe I'm here.
And that was with the limitations were with Sarak. He
was he only had eight hours and he had to
do the school and everything else. So I was constantly
showing Sarak what the blocking was. And you guys know

(30:34):
how Saraq was. He's like, I got it, I got it,
and he did Soroq was a consonant professional.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean he was like our kid on the set.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
He was great. I remember I got in trouble one time.
I got in trouble one time because Soak was on set,
but he was It was like, hurry up and wait.
So Arey Tick comes running up to me and I'm
in starfully uniform. He's where is Sarrac I go, I
don't know. I think he's in his train. He goes,
you need to go find him. So I go find Sarak.

(31:03):
He's dressed up in toilet paper, completely covered himself in
toilet paper, and he's walking around the Paramount set, going
up to tour groups like he's a mummy.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The tour groups and they come by. They just went crazy, Larry,
We're all you know, they saw so many aliens outside
that actors were in and out outside.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
But it was really non smoking.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
It's really an unusual.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
Smoking one right now.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Like for me, you know, when after I had my baby,
I was still there another year and I had no
place to I didn't have him there at the I
had him in daycare at home, and I didn't have
him at the at the studio. Like a lot of
the actresses do because I'm a pull on actress. So
I'm pumping my boot my milk in the no and

(31:53):
and in her trailer and using her U refrigerator from
milk to breathe. Who do you get him out of
daycare to get home for two hours to get you know,
it was like crazy. So there's a lot of stuff
like that. Everybody was there a lot, and even the
actors you got That's why we got to know some
of them well because we spent so much time.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Fight with everybody.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Terry and I were very tight. I mean we you know,
first couple of years there, we hung out. After we
always hung out outside of work. I became her personal assistant.
I was also her massage therapist after that. When she
had you know, left Star Trek left back or left acting,
and now she's.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Married and had a baby.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I was her nanny and took care of her kid.
So you know, we've found a lot of relationships during
that show that were that will.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
You know live in my heart.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
It must have been hard to sort of have your
careers and your livelihood and your jobs be so tied
to another actor who could be gone the next day.
So I mean Knathy brought it up with Terry leaving.
I don't know if you had any warning on that,
And just for all of you, I wonder if you
could just sort of weigh in on that sort of
added pressure to your careers at that time when some

(33:08):
of you were fairly green.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah. I got this.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Job on Star Trek. I had been in LA for
less than six months. It was super lucky timing. I
was working on Romey and Michelle's High School Reunion as
a stand in for Cameron Mannheim and I was doing
background on that show and someone who worked for Central Casting,
who was in charge of finding stand ins and background

(33:33):
actors for Star Trek Deep Space nine, met me there
and apparently the stand in who had been working for
Terry Farrell on that show was leaving, and this was
the guy Gosh. I wish I could remember his name,
but I can't. But he was charged with finding a
new stand in for Terry Farrell and they also wanted
someone who could you know, photo double her.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
So you went her a few until you came Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, So he invited me for this interview, which I
would really excited about. You know, it's brand new in
LA and I'm looking for a regular gig, a regular
job while I'm pursuing acting, and gosh, wouldn't it be
great if it was actually on a show.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So I go in for my interview.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
For this job, to meet the assistant directors on Star
Trek so they can interview me for this job. And
I'm sitting in the production office and b C, who
was the assistant director I was going to interview with,
walks into the office and sees me out of the
corner of Rye and goes, Hi, Terry, and then keeps
walking and turns around and looks at me and goes,

(34:36):
are you here for an interview? And I said yes,
and she said wait right here, And I was like,
I got this job. So the thing so getting I
do remember your question. So the reason that was so
wonderful at that time in my life is because this
was now going to be a steady paycheck. What they
did on Star Trek, which I've never heard of since,

(34:59):
is stand ins were paid every day, five days a week,
whether they needed us that day or not. Really, they
wanted us to be available to the show.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
They started that, They started that before you came, because
they wanted the same people that show up every day
to be comfortable with the actors and they knew what
they were doing, and they knew how to wear their costumes,
and yes.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yes, so.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
This was wonderful. It was going to, you know, change
my life. It was going to be regular income, what
was going to be health insurance. It was going to
be a lot of fun on set, which it was,
and playing different characters. And so when you asked that
question of what was the pressure or the stress like
of your character or your job rather being dependent on

(35:40):
someone else, how someone else's career is going to go.
When I heard that last season that I was there,
that Terry was on the show, that she was considering,
you know, these were conversations happening at much higher levels
between her and the producers. And I did not pick
her brain nor ask her for the details, but I
knew that it was a fifty to fifty. Maybe she's

(36:03):
coming back, maybe she's not. And I knew that I
was going to lose this wonderful situation that I had.
And just to answer your question, the best way to
describe it is it sucked. It was the suckiest feeling
ever because I loved these people, I loved this job.
I knew that the show probably wasn't going to go
for that many more seasons, and I just wanted to
write it out. But it did happen that Terry did

(36:26):
not renew her her contract for that last season and
she moved on to a new show, and she did
invite me to be her stand in on that show,
which I did. It was Becker sitcom. Absolutely completely different show, genre, format,
the way we produce it, everything about it was different.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
It was live.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
That was that was a multiicam right.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That was a multiicam sitcom shot in front of a
live audience.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
The crazy thing is that if you would have if
you would have said I'm not going to go, and
you would have asked them if you could stay and
just shar trek, they probably would have liked, you.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Know, didn't even think to ask if I could stay.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I thought, now that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Though? You know what?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah? Why not?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Why at that time was that something that was the
thought that was so out there?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I guess I just because I was so photo double
lee for Terry, like I did a lot of photo
double stuff. I felt like that was primarily why they
hired me, is because I looked so much like Terry,
and they could get away with a lot from the back.
They could shoot three quarters of my face so often
it was it was me and you wouldn't know the difference.

(37:31):
I guess I felt that was my primary job there.
They did have me back though, for Empella, that tall
double girl in the Red Lads, that was me and
she was around a lot. So I did get to
come back and play on set that last season, and
in fact, they did give Empella her you know, speaking
lines that last season. So after playing that character, I'm

(37:52):
just sort of being draped over Quark for.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
A couple of years.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I actually got to talk in that last season.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
So that was nice.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
That was nice.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
But I'll tell you something, if Star Trek Deep Space
nine was still filming today and all the actors were
still there and we were all still standing in for them,
I might still be working on that show because it
is so well and we got to do something different
every single day, and that's what I loved about it.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
What's crazy about that is, if you think about it today,
is Rock is forty two years old. He was just.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Twice as old as we were, and I saw him
at Aaron's memorial when he passed away. I couldn't believe
it is standing here.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
It was like this big, big ring's man.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, but still tweet. He goes, oh, I really missed you.
He was just like he turned into this little kid
when I saw him again.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
It was yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
For me, I.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Would have lost my job, and I fought for my
job to get it back.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
But I.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Wanted them to see the value of me being there.
I could stand in for any almost all any unless
they're even when they were tall.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
I were uh tall stews right. So if I sound
like it sounds like Shelley Hummark, Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I was staying looker at my mother. So I could
not lose my job, you know, I was. I was
in charge of her and so but I loved it.
I loved living working with Louise, I love working with Solome,
I love working with.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
These guys, the whole crew.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It was.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
It was a special deal for me, and.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I just hung on.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
For me. The biggest takeaway I have and the love
of my mentor, my son's godfather, he called me his
surrogate son, was the experience that I got to live
with Rock Peters. I used to go every weekend and
just to cut his grass because he had he had,
you know, hired somebody. I'm like, look, man, I throw
all my I throw my lawn equipment in the back

(39:55):
of my trunk, my whole my whole lawn, more my
my weed whack and everything rakes and the kids would
be in car seats in the back. And one of
the most precious stories I've ever had was I was
out cutting the grass and the kids come walking out.
They said, we can't find Uncle Brock. We can't find

(40:16):
Uncle Brock. So I go in the house and I'm
all dirty, I go, will you guys go over there?
Look over there? And I go look, and Brock had
a sauna in his bedroom. And I opened the door
of the sauna and Brock, you know, to kill a mockingbird,
he's standing there and he goes and it was like,
what is going on in my life? This man, this

(40:37):
legend is playing you know, hide and seek with my kids.
And that all came from our experience with Star Trek.
And I give Avery that credit because I've said it
before in a different podcast. I had a brother who
was handicapped to a stay and he had you know,
it's a long story. I wrote, written it, and I'll

(40:58):
eventually shoot it way.

Speaker 6 (40:59):
Avery knew that.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
And when Brock came to set, Avery told me beforehand.
He told me Rock's coming, You're going to be right here.
If he moves left, you're you're moving left twice. If
he moves right, you're moving right twice. Everything. And he
set up that relationship and basically told BC and everybody,
Todd is going with Rock. And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I know what bro You know what Brock did with
that background. He would come to the background, he'd sit
there and he would tell stories and talk to people.
Oh yeah, it's so interesting to me to kill Mocky.
Burry is like Mike, Well just for me, very special.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Well imagine me going around with him, meeting, rubbing shoulders
with Lionel Ritchie, Herbie Hancock, Lilo Schiffer and all these legends.
I was third row and you can see it online
if you look up Gregory Peck's funeral. I was right
behind Brock, who was the MC for PE's funeral. So
I was there for all that stuff. And it all

(41:56):
comes from star Trek. It all comes from Avery.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
You know, I moved moved.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Herbie Hancock's testa Rosa and I didn't even know how
to start the damn thing. It was, you know, experiences
like that Stevie Wonder running. I ran into oj That
was the freakiest thing. Right after she got he got
to quit it. That was wild.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
But meanwhile, we.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Had just had dinner with Magic Johnson, I had dinner
with Steven Spielberg, with Brop and you know, the funny
thing is too I wanted to say, Robin Kathy Mark,
my kids hate Hollywood. They don't want nothing with.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Hollywood at all.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
My daughter, my daughter at his best. Yeah, she's working
on her master's degree. She works with kids that are
going through the court system, such as I had my
you know, we had a child advocate, see lawyer or
not a lawyer, but you know whatever, a counselor. And
that's what she's now doing.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
She's I did that in Chicago after I got.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
A twenty seven. My son now is almost in his
tenth year in the Air Force, believe it or not. Yeah,
so I did something right. When I was on CSI,
there was a supervisor who was a huge fan of Brocks.
Her name was Paula, and I asked the crew because
Brock was represented by Paradigm, and we're filming Downtown LA

(43:10):
right next door. So I got permission to have Rock
come meet us for lunch, and I told him about
Paula and being this huge fan of his. So Brock
comes in, we get our lunch. Paula is already sitting,
so I sit on one side of Paula. Brock sits
on the other side, and she's, oh, hey, honey, and
I said, hey, Paula, I want to introduce you to
a good friend of mine. I go, mister Brock Peters,

(43:32):
Paula is in regard to what you're saying, Robin. Paula
just jumped up and like almost had a nervous breakdown.
She was crying. She couldn't believe that she was shaken,
and I'll never forget Brock grabbed her and held her
and he said, I'm just a man, just man. And
the whole crew, women and men crying and everything just
watching this interaction. And he sat there Rock with Paula

(43:57):
for like two minutes, and it was just a testament
to a you're saying.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
When I first came to Deep Space nine, I was
very nervous to meet Terry Farrell she was a big star,
she was a supermodel. I was there to photo double her,
so she had not seen me. Other people had hired me,
and so that felt a little vulnerable to me. What
if this actress sees me and disapproves, you know. So

(44:24):
I was very nervous to meet her, and I met
her the first day we were shooting. I was actually
not just standing in for her, And the very first
time we're shooting, I'm photo doubling her. So she's meeting
me while I'm dressed just like her, with the leopard
spots on her face, my hair done like her. I'm
wearing her same, like that spandex Starfleet outfit. And we're

(44:45):
out at a rock quarry. We're shooting out on location,
and it's hot and sweaty, and Terry had a health
issue that would make it necessary for her not to
be in the sun for very long, so she would
walk around with a parasolou And it's time to do
her scene where she's going to be walking through the
rock choir, you know, gun drawn, creeping around looking for

(45:07):
whatever they're looking for. And they asked her, do you
want to do it because it's out in the sun,
or do you want your new photo double to do it. Well,
here was the moment of truth. She asks to meet me.
She wants to see me in the Spandex outfit. Oh
my god, because she knows whatever my body looks like
in that outfit the world is going to think of it.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Were great.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So they tell me she wants to see how you
look in the outfit and she comes out with their
parasol and she was like, hi, terryness, which is very nice,
and then she said, will you turn around for me?

Speaker 6 (45:39):
And I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
And I turned around and she looked at my body
and she was like.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Wow, well let her volleyball butt do it.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
And then she walked away.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And so that was my approval.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I got my approval, and what she meant by that
was as I was a volleyball player and she knew
that shape I was in shape.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, And so that was my big moment off.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And then at the end of that day, I'm taking
my makeup off in the trailer and she comes over
and hands me her own personal products to take it off,
like near the very higher quality products, and she says,
I don't let anybody use these but you and I.
At the end of the day, you can use these
to take off your makeup. I'm only going to share
them with you. So she was bonding with me and like,

(46:22):
you know, making that kind of as she put me
at so much ease, and then from then on we
just became we became pals, and I became like her
right hand man. And so when you ask that question
of what's meaningful, I think the way that I was
received on the set and it was a vulnerable could
have been a vulnerable moment, and it turned out to
be yeah, very you know, friendship forming and lovely.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
For me, I got to go back to my involvement
because of Sirak and John Bennett also who passed years ago,
which was Avery's double. John would go off and do
a lot of studs for me. Hands down, my favorite
episode is Far Beyond the Stars, when we go back
in time I had. I had the privilege of basically

(47:08):
reading with the all Sarrak stuff with Avery uh as
not only an actor but the director. I had the
opportunity to double Sorok in that episode and to work
of course as Brock's assistant, and there's a there's a
very touching story with me and Brock and Avery here
nor there. I've told it before, but one of the

(47:29):
things that was amazing is that was my mom fifty
two and my mom's fiftieth birthday. Avery had her as
his special guest there and we didn't plan anything, and
at lunchtime there's two hundred three hundred extras, Avery pulls
my mom up on stage and has the whole whole
company sing Happy Birthday tour. That was that was really

(47:50):
just an honoring moment that he would do that for
not just me, but for my mama. And she still
talks about it, you know, she just to this day.
She she's dealing with little touches of cancer and that's
something she holds on too dearly. So again to Ken
Tay LeVar Burt and Avery Brooks, Rock Peters, Michael Dorin,

(48:13):
I don't want to make it a black thing, but
when I looked at Star Face nine beforehand, it was
a it was a black thing. Pinnianna. I used to
go to church with Penny Ann Johnson and you know,
Brian Andrew, Earl, Earl Russell, you know, on and on,
you know, and then I became good friends with Yeah,
Michael's Michaels hilarious in that. Dave Kautionnick, he was my

(48:35):
makeup artist. He actually came and did the makeup at
my wedding when I married, and I had a nephew
who got burned by just a silly accident and his
face was two different colors. She's very dark skin and
he had two different color on his face, and he
was my ring bearer. Dave Quastionnick, doctor Q came in
and he matched all of his skin color so he

(48:58):
wouldn't be embarrassed to this day, looking back at my
old wedding pictures now I look at them and I'm embarrassed.
But but yeah, this that experience and just being welcomed
into you know, people men I looked up to, women,
I looked up there leaving Terry, I knew who Terry was,
and just having that ability to be a part of that,
I just feel very blessed.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Mine was pretty simple. It's like, as a kid, I
grew up with the original Star Trek, so I was
a Kurps Bocha McCoy guy, and I remember at that
young age, I'm going I'm going to grow up and
be on Star Trek, not knowing it's a TV show
they're going to cancel. It is not going to be on.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Low and Behold.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I grew up was on Star Trek, So I go
gotta pay attention to what you put out to the universe,
because that's come true.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
It happens.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
For me.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Just having a job seven years and being able to
care for my mother at the same time, to feel
like I was doing a little bit of what I
love to do, even though it wasn't an act I
wasn't an actress in my own show, or I was
respected and was able to spread my wings a little
bit and enjoy that part. And I loved how everybody

(50:24):
treated each other. And the one one thing that really
stands out to me all the time is we had
a guy that worked, Dieje, who was killed one night.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Die my buddy.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Driving back to We had long hours and he would
go a whole lot on the weekends. He lived up
north and we were all close, you know, we'd all
have the kid around and we all laughed.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
We had a lot of laughing.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
We knew each other so well. We knew the grips,
the you know, the lighting people everything. Anyway, he was
suddenly killed on the way home driving back to work
from the weekend, and I remember everybody from the office,
I revert Ron, Ron Moore, all of the all of

(51:12):
the writers, even I don't I don't believe. I don't know.
I can't. I can't remember Berlin was there or not,
but I think he may have been. But we had
a like a memorial saying in one room where everybody
came to basically cry because we lost this guy.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
That was when Kathy and I first got there. That happened,
and it was.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Wonderful to me because it just shows that we're all human,
no matter how far up the whole the food chain
we are. We all, you know, being kind and caring
about each other. And in this in this business in Hollywood,
it's it is crazy, you know, It's like like Mark says,
you know, it's it's but we cared about each other

(51:53):
a lot, and I think we all knew it. And
when people would leave or when they'd come, especially Mark,
when you you know, it was like all of a sudden,
this guy that I've been around all these years was gone.
And we understand, but it was really special and I
think it'll continue to be. And then the other thing

(52:13):
is that I've been I've been diagnosed with Parkinson. So
I am very emotional anyway, because I have a I
appreciate every single day. I appreciate every friend that I have.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
That cares about me.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I appreciate what Star Trek did to me. And I'm
doing really well. I mean, I feel great, and I
feel like I have a lot of life and stories
ahead of me. But I I know that what this
time in my life was Star Trek was was special
and I'll never forget it no matter how hard things
get with your mom with cancer and with the you know,

(52:50):
Kathy who had just had back surgery and recovered, and Mark,
who are just being great.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I just had brandial rectal extraction surgery.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Because we're doing things like those, you know, we will
Bill talk. Kathy and I've always got back together after
several years, and now we've been you know, we had
a pajama party last weekend, just you know, watching the
documentaries and eating food.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Mark, don't even think about it, brother slumber party at
my house.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
I'll be here to you.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I think it's it's brought us all back together a
little bit doing the podcast, and I thank you for that.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
All right, Welcome back Trevor. I was very concerned about
that many podcast guests at one time, but we did it.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
They did it.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
It was great to listen to. I was surprised and
how emotional got there at the end. But thank you
to all of them for joining us.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Yes, thanks to all of them for joining us. That
was really great. When you first told me we were
gonna have four guests on at once, I just logistically
I just didn't know how that would work. But then
we talked about just standing back and just letting them go,
and that was the right approach. It was just great
just to sit there and listen. They had so many

(54:19):
great stories.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Hold on, this is Don's tangent. I've never gotten so
much hate mail from Trevor before as when I said
not one, not two, but three, but four special guests.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah, he's not lying. I was like, this is ridiculous.
What are you doing? We can barely we can barely
balance one guest. How are we going to do four?

Speaker 6 (54:36):
But I feel like we've broken Deep Space nine News
two episodes in a row, thirty years later. How does
that make you feel? As a new fan of Deep
Space nine?

Speaker 4 (54:44):
I got to tell you you've we've had serious comment
conversations about DS nine. I'm not going to watch the
entire series, but Don's given me a list of key
episodes and I've been going through them, and I'm a fan.
I've been really enjoying it, especially the performances. Performances with

(55:07):
the cast pretty much across the board, pretty amazing stuff.
And the episodes you've been having me watch too strong writing,
a lot of a lot of great writing on that.
Did did those names? A lot of those?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Was there?

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I assume was there a writer's room or did they
have individual writer's room?

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (55:29):
Yeah, you've seen let's see the pilot. You've seen Far
Beyond the Stars, which were out to the last episode.
Do you watch the Visitor or not yet? You've bought
editor a duet, so you've watched duet?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Was I watched Duet? I gotta start watching the Visitor Visitor?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (55:44):
Sorry, and then next up, once you get through all
of Deep Space nine. I don't care what you say,
then we're doing turning this into a batl on five podcast.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Well, no, we're turning it into a Neon Genesis Evangelion podcast,
and then maybe we can turn it into a boobyl
on five podcasts or whatever it's called. Well, that's the
Fight for Another Babel and Babel and Babel on five Oh.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
My goodness, child podcast. No one is here to listen
to us Bigger. In fact, actually that's incorrect. Everyone is
here too. Well, my children listen to this to hear
us bigger. So children please go to bed. But with that,
I think we're just gonna wrap it up, Trevor, because
that am again, that was such a nice reunion.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, that was really great, and it was really special,
and it had been It had genuinely been a long
time since a few of them had spoken to each other.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
And you could see how meaningful it was.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yeah, you really could.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
It was.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Really something, and you know, they talked about a tiny bit,
they talked about old beefs, but then they talked about, like,
you know, how the whole thing was just overall great
working together. But the thing that just stunned me the
most were the hours. I mean, I know that part
about the industry, but to hear about them personally talk
about the hours, Oh my god, I that is unreal.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's also something about production. People
think about the body doubles, the stand ins. Yeah, they're
actors and they're still doing it and they're learning it,
and what an important way to get into the industry
as well when they're all early twenties or some more
or less.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Right, I mean, we could do We seriously could do
a documentary. I mean this solely on the makeup pro
the Vulcan makeup process for all of these decades, and
how much time alone that eats up. How they have
to come in hours before call time or or their
call time is hours before most of the crew's call time,

(57:48):
and they got to stay in that makeup, and how
they sleep in that makeup, and it just that's unreal.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
My only regret, Trevor, is that when you and I
worked on my sci fi series, is that it put
you when I make up, I just had you hold
up room in front of a life back and forth
for hourly. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Yeah, The minly regret is just working on your sci
fi series. That's That's my only regret is just being
a part of it. So uh in a and Eddie capacity,
And we definitely and that will definitely not happen again, Trevor.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Yes, have we talked enough that we can now go
to another ad break?

Speaker 4 (58:26):
If there's anything this outro needs. It's an ad break.
So thanks everyone for joining us on this special episode
of No When Scenarios one.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
I might even add three ads to the end of
this morning. You might this will be a whole Foods
one hits.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:44):
Well, thank you for listening. Thank you to Kathy DeBono,
Robin Marcelli, Mark Gentry, and Todd Slayton again for letting
us be a fly on the wall for the reunion.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yes, thank you for them, and thanks to all of
our listeners are going with us on this journey. It's
been a great time and.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
It's been interesting. Just again, I know what we keep
fake ending, but you know, we started one Direction a
couple of years ago and we're kind of just going
along for the ride and getting guests and seeing who's next.
And it's been interesting. Yeah, pass us along. So thank
you to all our guests so far.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Absolutely don surever, good to see you till next time.
Till next time. Mental health is everyone's concern. If you
are someone you know is in crisis, please use these
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