302 - Supernatural and Mad Men Actress Julie McNiven - No Win Scenario

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I haven't listened to anything you've said in the last
twenty seconds.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Damn it, Trevor.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
We had a shit line.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Two friends who hate each other, rude talking science fiction.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It has become this cultural phenomenon.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Along with some special guests.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
I appreciate it. Star Trek did to me.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
I would love to have this book get planned. And
that wasn't acting, That wasn't real.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Do you know what Our YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Is absolutely not No When scenario with Trevor and Dawn.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, we're not doing that. Boom, Hi everyone, and welcome
to the season three premiere of No When Scenario. I
am don checked with and with me? Is Trevor Chamberlain
Trevor Season three premiere Awesome.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Season three premiere line Season three premiere, Season three premiere awesome. Yes, yeah,
I totally agree with it.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You are the worst person I know. Look at us
in studio. We are live ish live your life. You're live.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm fairly fairly alive.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wake up, man, We are here. We are on video.
For those of us listening, you can actually watch us
and see Trevor, which I know is no one's dream
to see you in real life. But we are here
in the studio and we are celebrating because you forgot
your line where you were supposed to say, this is
not the season for three premiere. The season three premiere
was last week.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
The season three premiere was last week.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
When we interviewed who At Ashton, author of Mickey seven,
Do you remember because you were supposed to start this
episode interrupting me we had a shick yeah, and you
completely abandoned.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I completely abandoned.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Why did you do that? Why did you just leave
me hanging high?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Because I don't listen to you.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I have an art. I have it art. I don't
know what that means. I have an art, but I
had an idea certainly, Yes, but that We had a
great interview and we'll talk about that later. But we're
here and we're celebrating because we are just one month
away from a sweet, sweet payout thanks to Spraker and
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(02:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:17):
Just it's allowed just as much as that stupid Babylon
five thing.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's not I do not say anything negative about Babylon five,
and I want to point out that I have the
sentence poster strategically positioned over your head because we can
think about how you worked on that film series and
had a broom in front of your face pretending to
be the alien when there was no camera whatsoever there.
And I just had you go back and forth with
a broom in front of your face.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, for shadows for hours. This is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, but how about the set though, Huh, this came
together pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, the set's really great. What I'm really noticing is
how much the camera crew is just not laughing at
any of this whatsoever, and they just do not look entertained,
and frankly, they they look pretty bored.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Thank you Morgan and Shadow and Mike in the control.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Room yep, and Sam and Sam.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
A lot of people came together with no interest in
this whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, a lot of people going unpaid during the actually
paying money out of their own pockets to be a
part of this.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
But if people are listening on you know, Apple podcasts
and Art Radio, Spotify, Spotify and Breaker, you can actually
watch us on our YouTube channel do you know what
our YouTube channel is?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Do you know what our TikTok channel is?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I hope you'll find it because I don't remember myself,
but hopefully by the time you see this, we will
have figured that out. Is that how that works?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah? And how about this window set? How we were
in our very free living room set that we were
able to look the space panda. There's our mascot.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I genuinely love this.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I love that it's actually like something.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, I genuine I love the whole panda thing. I
think it's great when you came up with it, when
when AI came up with it, I think it just
looks awesome. I'm glad we're sticking with it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Lad, you're happy. I don't know what this is behind me,
but I'm I'm happy you're happy.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love the panda.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
And you know, before we move on to our guests,
I just would like to point out that this whole
podcast was your idea. Everyone thinks that, because I'm the
one putting on a show and you're here all grumpy,
that it was my idea. But you came to me
begging to do it a couple of years ago. Am
I wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Definitely wasn't begging. I came up with an idea I
which was a podcast. Wow, that was sci fi related.
I knew you would be interested. I also came up
with the name of the podcast, and the approach.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Was this was a Star Trek Card episode.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
At the same time we were we were discussing how
we should approach it, and the fact that our friendship
is completely based on fighting and insulting each other. We
decided that would be the basis something.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You are an easy target, so it made it very
easy for me here fair enough, Well, thank you for
starting this off. And because of that, because oh wait, wait, wait, yes, do.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know what time it is?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, it's too soon.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Do you know what time it is? It's time for
Trevor's tangent. Trevor's tangent. Trev's tangent so much worse live
Trevor's tangent. It actually has to do with you. Oh yeah,
and the fact that I think we've scheduled watching Megalopis

(05:25):
together about ten times and it just hasn't happened, has it.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, we're very close to almost watching it.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, we're very very close almost watch I need to
not watch megal upless. I have a feeling I'm really
gonna like it, but I just can't get motivated for it.
I can't.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wow, you wasted our precious episode two of season three.
Yes on that statement, Yes, because I was just about
to give you a gift. Can I give you a gift?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
You're gonna give me a gift?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yes, because you brought up how was your idea for
this podcast?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Wait, hold on, and that's all for Trevor's Tangent. Thank you,
you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I spoke through Tevistran. Yeah, completely lost.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
It's called Trevor's Tangent.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I know, but you've lost your mojo. We used to
just cut me off.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, get in weak to help me about it.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
But anyway, if I can go back, this whole podcast
was your idea, and you came back, as you said,
you came begging me to do this with you, and
your idea was, let's do a podcast. So because of that,
and you know this wardrobe thing's not working out for you,
I have this lovely shirt i'd like you to show
to our audience. Here I'm handing him a T shirt,
our first merch. As the kids say, he's slowly. See

(06:40):
this is also an audio podcast. You have to talk
about it slowly holding it up. And what does it say, Trevor.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It says oh, it says no win scenario.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And then small print. Do you need your old manglasses?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
B case? No one else has a podcast?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Try again? Is there you missing B case? Oh my god,
there is a typo in the official no is.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
A typo in the no wind scenario. We're gonna sell
these like hotcakes. We're gonna sell these like hotcakes. They're
gonna be in demand. You better not change these. Oh
my god, this is how this b e C a
s B case. No one else has a podcast. I

(07:30):
have moobs, I have man boobs, but I will proudly
wear this T shirt.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
This is what happens when you order Canva a T
shirt and you rush it. These things cost me like
one hundred bucks to get them in a day. The
case because it's supposed to say no win scenario, because
this is no one.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Else, This is a gift. This is the gift right here.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, I don't see we wear these. I think we
still we We should say okay, but maybe well let's
let's put them on during the break.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Sure, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
All right, So I think me too. Taipo was one
hundred percent planned everybody. Yeah, I well thought of it
was definitely played. It was definitely playing. Well, let's move
on to our guest.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Please, good thing I've invented this podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
We have actress Julie mcnivin Julli joining us. Yes, she's
been in mad Men and Supernatural and Doom Patrol and
a whole host of TV shows and movies, so I'm
excited to beam her in to the studio.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I watched one of her episodes of Supernatural last night.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
She was not the audience. She was very good at it. Yeah,
you were probably in your mid thirties twenty years ago
when that was on thirty five.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
It started in two thousand and eight. That was like
the year two thousand and five, right, So I was
twenty nine, and then it ended in twenty twenty, so
I was sixty two or something like that.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, I think I think we're on the same page. Yeah, yeah,
well fantastic. Yeah. Well, if thank you for listening, Stay
tuned for our interview with Julie mcgivin.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
You the worst. I don't like you that much either.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's time for the no win scenario. Fun fact, Don
believes in alien life. Trevor believes in Don only when
absolutely necessary.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Hi, my name is Julie mcgibbons. I've been an actor
for oh gosh, twenty years, I think professionally, and I
was in New York at first, then I went to
LA for many many years, and now I am in Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Welcome back a Massachusetts. Yeah, we're going to uncover what
that journey was. And now people know you're from. Well,
how do you find that people know you from? Is
it supernatural? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, it depends on the person. But I would say,
I mean, I do you know supernatural? Being sci fi
has the con circuit. I don't know if you're aware,
but there's these conventions that the actors kind of tour
with and the fans we now have now that it's
been like and they did sixteen fifteen seasons, it's been

(10:07):
a few years, so it's been like twenty years since
the show started, and there's a whole new set of
audience and stand up that there's the fandom that came
with the first generation and now they're watching it with
their kids and the younger kids are starting to tune in,
and so I'm younger. They're probably like in their twenties,
but whatever, when some of them will be you know,

(10:30):
parents that have watched it that now watch it with
their kids and then they all go to the coms together.
And so yeah, most of the time, if I get
recognized and they don't say I'm Jessica Chastine, it's usually
for yeah, in fact, with the gym and there's you know,

(10:52):
I let them go for a second. They're like, oh
my god, you totally look like, oh, what's her name?
And I'm just like waiting for them to say Jessica
Tasting because it's inevitably is Justice Tasting, And then because
that girl from Supernatural and I was like, yes, actually

(11:14):
that's because that's me. So the first that really happened once.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Guys, you've never been walking down the street and hear
somebody go yo, Jillie McNiven like nothing, no, no, it's
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean, I feel like I got recognized more as
Jessica chast saying in l A. And here it's less
for sure because people don't know would an actor live here?
They don't, they don't. LA is very like you know
it's a visual. Everyone looks at everyone. You know what

(11:48):
I'm saying. I don't mean to judge.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
LA, but they're judging L as judging you.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
They're judging you.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So I can tell you why an actor would be
living here instead of LA. And that's because everybody's legal.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
La from everybody is leaving La La, including all including
the industry. I really, even when the industry was big there,
I rarely worked in LA. All of my jobs were
in I did you know a couple of sci fi
recurrings and guests and shot in Atlanta, then in Toronto.

(12:26):
I did, like, you know, a couple of guest stars
and stuff in La well, and then of course mad
Men to start. But after mad Men, I guess most
of my stuff was elsewhere. And that was when everything
was in LA. So once everything left LA, I was
like and everything was on a self paced We lived

(12:47):
in a safe, safe enough place, like our house wasn't
in danger from fires or anything. But it was kind
of like compacted, right, I mean, all of Lass its
super compact. And I was just like, I don't want
to be here. When when a big earthquake, kid like,
I don't want to be here trying to buy toilet
paper again, like during another COVID, Like it just didn't

(13:11):
feel like it kind of just felt like we were
done and now that everything was on self tape, you
can live anywhere. And I had actually just switched my
reps and I was kind of like, you know, a
month later, I was like going to be leaving Los
Angeles and I so I called them and I was like,
this was happening, you know, I hope you guys are

(13:34):
still on board. And they were like, yeah, fine, you
can live anywhere. And then it was like no big deal.
And plus they have like a they have a New
York's division as well, so it worked out really well.
But yeah, the industry is very different now than when
it started or when I started in it, and I
feel really lucky that I started when I did because
I was able to kind of work at a time

(14:00):
time when you didn't have to be a household name
to book a job. And I don't mean to sound
oh like Debbie Downer about it, it's a lot harder
people do bookwork that are not famous. It's just a
lot harder to do so because there's so much competition.

(14:21):
Every new show on every streaming platform and network wants
to have star power so that their show will be
more successful and last, and it turns out it doesn't
really work that way. They're going to keep doing it,
They're going to keep casting the same as people over

(14:43):
and over again, but that has not guaranteed that the
show is going to be the best fit for those people.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I've recently watched a four part mini series on Netflix
called Adolescence.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Oh, I need to check that out. I've been a
little bit nervous about watching it.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You should be nervous about us.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, it was very intense. I I, uh yeah, I'm
I'm in uh not to make it personal, but I'm
in a very sensitive part of my life right now,
and that that show was maybe a bit too much.
What I did notice is that it does have star power.

(15:25):
It does have Stephen Graham, who's a well known British actor.
But I found that the most compelling performances came from
the character actors who I you know, I'm not recognized,
right that I didn't recognize.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Or that you know you whether you recognize them from X,
Y and Z or not, it's their performance wasn't distracted
by their fame. Sure, having an anonymity in a project
creates more authentic, believable production.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I think I think a few people can really disappear
from their personal I mean, maryl Meryl Street can.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Do it like I will say the New York shows
right now. You know, now that I'm in the area,
I'm like, okay, I got to get up on you know,
the law and Order all. But you know, law and
Orders are great because all the recurring i mean, all
the guest stars are You're not going to recognize. Most
of them are just actors. They're just working actors.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Speaking of famous people. And I'm going to ask Mike
to play something back so I can get your reaction here.
I recently was able to interview a former colleague of
yours and he had this to say about you. So Mike,
roll it down before we get started.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
We have something in common.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Julie mcnitten's that's a lot. Oh my gosh, yes, she said,
mad men alumna as it were. He says, high please,
as I said, that's a big part of my life.
So that was we got to meet him, and he
said some more nice things. Yeah, that was my little
squirrely voice.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Was he being roasted. Is that what he was.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Roasted at Harvard anaisty pudding. So I got to spend
a few minutes talking to him about that, but I
started with that, and you know, it was interesting. He's
so well done and he really he just when I
was there, just talked about how much he loved working
in mad Men, almost to the point of being kind
of sad that it's not still around. And you know,
because he's obviously working since and he's in a show now,

(17:25):
but it's not the same. And I'm curious working on
that and working back then than it is now. I mean,
you were so people don't know we're Hildy.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
I mean, I think obviously the show means different things
to both of us. Like for him, it was his
first I mean, he had been working for a long while,
he had been in LA for a while. He had
had several kind of recurrings and stuff, but nothing that

(17:56):
would provide mortgage payments, I don't know, And so you know,
this was like his first leading role in a TV series,
which then back then AMC obviously was not a network
that did shows, so it was kind of doing the
show it's on ham C ham C. Yeah, Yeah, he

(18:18):
who loves so I think, you know, for him, obviously,
this was a huge, big step in his career, and
for me, I guess similarly, I within me your work
doing off Broadway and little tiny jobs here and there,
and Hilsey was not a huge role, but it brought me.

(18:39):
I remember even in New York, I said, I'm not
I'm not a dummy. I'm not going to LA unless
a show takes me to LA. There's too much talent
in LA. You know, like you can't. I knew. I
knew I could not just go to LA as a
twenty three year old and just hoped to make it

(19:00):
like let's just see, like I just I knew that
that wasn't going to be my my path. I just
instinctively knew like that La. And even now coming back
to East Coast, I'm like, oh, I'm so much more
East Coast than I am Lay. And that's just it
partly looks, it's partly feel like personality. I just feel

(19:22):
more I'm I don't know, I don't know how to explained.
I'm just more East. I'm just more East Coast California
and I and I and I loved living in California.
I loved living in Los Angeles. But like, like I said,
I showed up here, I'm not wearing any makeup. I
did not brush my teeth. I mean I brushed them

(19:43):
this morning, but I did not brush them right before.
You know, like I'm just not like I mean, I
put toyodoran on, but like natural, it's just I just
I don't know, I just feel more uh grounded here.
I think I do miss the sun. But you know,

(20:04):
well you have undamaged space.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Well you seem to have a strong sense of self
to know that at twenty three you need Yeah, you knew.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
What the oh, and I didn't tell you before that
I wanted to. So I met Don's wife Rachel at
Frenchwood Festival, which is a summer camp, and we went
there for several years. It was like ninety four to
ninety eight or something, and so I knew I knew
Rachel way before she met Don. And I think I

(20:39):
was basically one hundred percent wanted to be on Broadway
in musicals, like that was that was it, That's what
I want to do. And I like started to go
down to New York City an audition like open calls
sometime in college and it was very quick that I
was like, you know, I think I'll have more of
a chance to do on my TV. So I just

(21:02):
like flipped. I was like, look, I can sing, I
don't suck, but I am not Broadway material. If I
practice every day and had the best coaches, maybe I
could be in the court if I was lucky, like
I just I knew from a younger age, like if
I wanted to be successful at this, I needed to

(21:24):
be specific about where my talent lay and how I
can claw my way into work and the work.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
That you did. It it was it was you've done,
You've done you know, Supernaturally, did Stargate Universe, You're doom Patrol. Recently,
you've done Christmas movies. I have holiday movies, I think, yeah, Atime.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Lifetime, Lifetime, Yeah, I mean the very similar feel vibe.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah yeah, not those aren't on my radar as a
sci fi ner. But you know, of course you've done
mad Man in a lot of other films and TV shows.
Do you approach like, how do you approach those differently?
Do you ever have you had a preference over over time?
I mean you're going to cons now, so.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
That might be I mean I will always prefer a
sci fi job over anything else because I feel like
sci fi. I mean, I've died so.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Many times and bring a few times.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
It's just it's way more fun. I love the the
aspect of like being on a spaceship, like and the
science involved in stuff like I was doing. I was
talking about math stuff that I don't know what I'm
talking about. I just memorized it, you know, and then

(22:47):
playing this very smart person. I'm like, it's all acting, guys,
I still know how to do math.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I did enjoy seeing you get it incinerated last night
when I saw your last episode of Supernatural.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I know that was really cool. I mean cool that
the you know, the visual effect. Cool. It never it
never came back to life after being burned to ashes, sadly,
but but I could have. They seriously could have. I
mean it's like you can just do anything and explain
it and figure out a way to make it work,

(23:20):
which I think is really fun.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Or not just make it happen. Yeah, you don't have
to explain it.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
So the lost version and just not explain Oh, the
lost version.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yes, we we're talking about that. In a little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
We were just fighting, yeah about it.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
But you know, but some of the critiques of of well,
I'm just curious if you've had this experience, but like
you're going around right for uh, supernatural conventions right right now,
like a little circuit going on. You know, have you
had generally positive experiences with fans? You know, like the
a lot of critiques that sometimes the fans are a
bit much.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Honestly, I mean, I'm like, like any group of people,
there's gonna be someone that's a little much. But for
the most part, the fans are amazing.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
They're They've I have not had a bad experience with
any of them, even when I like first started doing
a con in like.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Twenty ten or something twenty eleven, like a long time ago,
and it was like soon after I had had a
sex scene in Napala was seen and and I was
kind of like, are they gonna hate me now or
And I think it was fine? No one. I mean,
I think people always will ask me about that scene.
I'm sure you guys don't care about it, but like

(24:42):
all the female fans do, and we'll always get questions.
And I saw Jensen at a con two years ago
or a year ago, and I was like Jensen. Do
you know how many hours of my life I've spoken
about that scene? Like He's like, he's no, one's ever
asked him about Like I was like, today, ask you
about No, They've not been to ask him about that scene.

(25:02):
I get asked about the scene so much. I was like,
I've talked about it for years that I don't really
remember the actual day it happened. All I remember is
the stories of me talking about it, So I don't
even know how know what I'm saying anymore.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Do people ask you about it as an actress or like,
do they think you're a fallen angel fighting?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
No, No, they asked, they ask as an actor. I
think they just you know, the boys never had They
didn't have too many seamy scenes on that show. It
really was about their bond and fighting the bad guys
and uh, it wasn't really a love story with partners.

(25:46):
It was they were the part They were the love story,
the brothers. So ply, I think it was the fans
kind of get excited when it does happen.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well speaking, I think as Trevor here's a supernatural scholar.
I think he had a technical question from home Yes, yeah,
prepped earlier on.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Two things. One thing I noticed with your performance is
that the base of the performance is that you're kind
of in a like this trance like state, and then
you're acting on top of that trance like state.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Do you do you?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
What was what was that like? If you if you
know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well, so I think you're referring to when I when
I first come into the show, I.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Am seeing thing.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, so I'm confused and overwhelmed and I'm kind of
in a state of transfer, trauma, whatever you want to
call it. And once I see the boys, I see Dean,
and I'm like, no, that I They're talking about you.

(27:01):
This is real. So yeah, I think there is kind
of a stacked sense. I definitely did not like consciously
think about that when I was doing it, But that's
interesting observation. Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
The other thing I noticed is that the scene in
the church in that same episode. This is really technical,
but there's this thing in film. There's this thing in
filmmaking called eyelights. It just it just makes the eyes
pop and they have a little light and it just
brings out the eyes in a scene. Yeah, everybody, the

(27:42):
common thing is that they use just a single light.
But and I don't know if you remember this, but
in your scenes in that in will your all your coverage?
In that scene, you had four lights in a specific
arrangement to make it look like it wasn't like a square,

(28:02):
it was like a diamond. And you had this just
diamond shape in your And I'm telling you it is
on purpose, because it's I would.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Be curious to talk to the lighting designer because I I.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Remember four lights being shot in your.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Face twenty years ago, Trevor, twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's such a weird I don't I I was thinking,
that's awesoble.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And for the record, he's asking this question. He asked
a question about her acting solely because I made fun
of him for prepping this question earlier on. Now I
to ask question the acting question. Please talk about your eyelight.
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
No, I don't remember, you know. Also, it being my
first like recurring, I I knew technically what I was
supposed to do. I had been a standard I knew
you know. I knew that I'm here my mark and
then this one and moved to that market, so I

(29:02):
knew all the technical things I needed to do, and
then I was like a very serious like this is
my first real big job, Like I was focused. But
I don't really really have any memory of observing the
way the lights were set up or anything like that.
But I do remember like tonight go to No. I

(29:26):
know what you're talking about, because I've seen the image
of that scene with my eyes and I have at
some point I remember thinking, like, my eyes look really
cool in this shot. Like I do remember seeing that
and having that reaction, but I don't, and I even
think in the I might be wrong. But in the commentary,

(29:50):
Sarah Gamble, who is one of the writers, it's amazing
she was one of the writers for I think maybe
she was. I don't think she was. Maybe she was
a showrunner or Eric was, and then she took over.
I can't remember, but she in the commentary said something
about my eyes during that first episode. And I don't
remember if it was during the church scene or just
in general, but she said specifically something about my eyes,

(30:14):
and I maybe it was. Maybe. I'm sure it was
on purpose. Most things are, and I'm just you know,
the dumb actor who shows up and you know, is
unaware of all the technical aspects around me. But yeah,
interesting if you could.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean, so you've died in Supernatural, you died in Stargate.
What else have you died in? I feel like a
missing one.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Well, I died a few times in each of those,
and then I died in an episode of n C
I s l A. I died. Oh no, I didn't
die in Fringe. I just got married.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I didn't die in Fringe. I got married.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I got married, but I got married. You would like
they would like talk about my character in future, like
in like I shot one episode it was just like
possibly recurring, and then the guy that in the Charlie,
but it was Scarlely because it was in the alternate universe, right,
I think Scarly Right, we called him Scarlet. I think

(31:17):
we got married and then we like went away on
a honeymoon. But it was because the guy playing Charlie
booked another series and I was like, it could have
been recurring on Friend.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I mean it probably would have killed me anyway, but whatever,
that would have been fun.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
So my question is too, Yeah, who would you like
to revisit if you could bring anyone back to life
and jump back in.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, yeah, I think that Anna is probably somewhere in
the Empty still, So if if there was a way
to have another season, I think she's there still. She
never had her black You know a lot when when
the Angel died, they did this shot from a like
a ceiling POV of the Angel, and there's always like

(32:05):
big black almost ashy wings, right, so it's like they're
officially dead. I never had that. I was just Ash,
but I was not black winged ash, And so I
don't think she's dead dead, So I would love to,
you know. I get a lot of the questions from

(32:26):
fans often are like, we really love you until you
went bad, and I will I will argue every time
that I never went bad. It's it's the if I
have to kill one person to save the world, wouldn't
you do that too? Exacts you're in, Yeah, it's it's

(32:50):
the it's the what is it the old age? Like
if you're on a train and you down the track
there's one child and then over here there's thirty, which
way are you gonna go? Well, I mean it's a
horrible scenario. I don't want to kill anyone, but if
you're gonna save.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
The world, you gotta do it.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, So anyway, I will always argue that she never
went bad, She just was able to kind of separate.
She didn't have like the same kind of love and
affection gene that Cassiel kind of formed. And so I
would love to see and again, I would love to

(33:33):
see what hell they ended up doing, Yeah, because I
think she, you know, like we never saw what she
was doing during like the mid to late sixties when
like the feminist movement was kind of hitting, like would
she be would she lean into that? Would she be more?

(33:57):
I mean I would have expected her to be stick
to her kind of more formal self and more buttoned
up self. I mean we always Janie, who did the costumes,
is amazing. She did all the nice eighteen twenty three
and all of the what did that Ranch show? Yell yells,

(34:19):
I don't think she'd yells him, but she did all
the period stuff from eighteen fifty or eighteen twenty three
at nineteen twenty three. And she always put me in
like outfits that like just you know, and they were
completely intentional because the energy I was giving Hildy from
the very beginning was very proper, very brittish, very tight lipped,

(34:43):
really innocent, like I mean basically me, I mean really
the character description when I read that was secretary.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
So that was you know, and that was actually really
interesting to see how, you know, in real life, how
actors and writers can kind of collaborate on the spot
creating the show. And they didn't know who I was.
I didn't know who I was supposed to be, but

(35:18):
I just showed up and like started to play off
Viny's character, you know, Pete Campbell, and he's easy to dislike.
So I where I went with it. And then you know,
as the season went on, it was like they would
write for that energy and I was like, so you're

(35:39):
kind of doing this dance like trying to figure out
you know, the really small characters like where I'm just
delivering information, Like I could just deliver information, but it's
a lot more interesting to deliver it with a full
person behind it. And so it was really interesting to
see how that collaboration went, and it was really fun.

(36:01):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I thought your characters. I thought your character was perfectly
matched for him and vice versa perfectly.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, And I just loved that that was so organic.
You know, people probably saw that and look back and think, like,
obviously Hildy was created to be the antithesis of you.
No secretary, just secretary, right. I had one line in

(36:32):
the pilot that's really all like. I did the line.
They were like, cool, you wanna do it again? I
was like, sure, did it again and booked it jo.
I mean, wow, those kind of things, it's usually not
that way. I could tell you from experience. It's usually
not that easy to book a role that then turns
into thirty episodes or twenty episodes or whatever it was.

(36:54):
But I was just very lucky for that particular thing.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, so much of the industry is luck and I
kind of want to fast forward. Now, you know, we're
twenty twenty five, we're doing this, we're having this conversation.
And actually Trevor and I both recently found this, read
this New York Times article that came out. Now it
was it was aimed at talking about generation CTS, which
you were, not you. I believe we're young millennial. I'm cspy.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I'm nineteen eighty, so I'm that weird first.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
No, you're the first, because I'm all, you're older than you,
and I'm the last generation acts I believe.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Oh okay, but I thought that was like a funny middle.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Anyway, is there there's a middle ground.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
I think there's an extra one they threw in there
because because we grew up analog to digital right right,
and so they like seventy seven to eighty one, they
made like an extra little little or something.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, don't want to boomer we can. But
the article was talking about it was it was about
creatives who were gen X and you know, roughly our
ages and people who thought they were putting in their
dues early and trying to be yeah and all this stuff.
And they were talking about actors, but I think it
applies to actors as well. But now they find themselves

(38:06):
as like we're waiting for the payoff, but somehow the
payoff isn't coming, and we're not marketed to we're not technology. Obviously,
it changes all the time, but it's gone so fast
that we're just that age is being left behind and
it becomes almost impossible to work as a creative in
any sort currently.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I mean, I I mean, I read that article and
it was a panic attack for me. I'm forty eight
years old. I lost my job in December, and to
read something that's say and I'm having such a hard
time finding work, and here was saying that everybody in
my age group, including elder millennials, are screwed. And it

(38:48):
was it was a heart attack of an article and
they said it was across the board, anybody that was
doing anything creatively, from performance to directing, to graphic design
to music. It's and the irony is that we still
have a lot of uh, we still have a lot
of advertisement power, but nobody's targeting ad ads at us.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
And so I guess the question for you is, like
you moved to Massachusetts, you have the flexibility to do
self tapes from anywhere you know, so technology can help,
but obviously AI is the biggest thing. Yeah, we started
this podcast a few years ago when there was the
strike that was so much about AI because we were
able to get access to so many people who were
on strike and able to talk to us about it.
So I'm curious you know your perspective and how.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Your I mean, I definitely feel that, and I think
as an as a female actor in particular, we feel
it time time harder than any man. And that's partly
just agism and not allowing like not allowing women to age,

(39:57):
but allowing men to age, they're like hotter and ho
as they get older, and women are like, oh, like
grosser and grosser. They have dimples on their legs and
you know, our faces are falling and like that's just
like aging. I mean, and a lot of women will
get you know, things done and fixed up and tightened up.
But it's you know, I think, so we hit a

(40:20):
couple of walls. So we hit if we If you're
an actress and you want to have babies, you know,
that's the first wall you I that's first all I hit.
I should all This is all from my experience, and
I think my contemporaries would probably agree with with me.
It was almost like getting pregnant put the brakes on.

(40:48):
There was momentum for me, and then I got pregnant,
and I it was almost like now I'm living this life. Okay, cool,
but I also, you know, I'm not done. Like what happened? Why?
You know, it just felt and it wasn't like one
particular person or my agent or anything. It was just

(41:09):
like a general sense from the industry that oh, but
now you're a mom. And I think I think when
you're already famous and then you become a mom, it's
like nobody like, it's fine, it does not affect your
career at all. But if you're not and I say

(41:30):
this about COVID, if you weren't famous like household name
before twenty twenty, it became so much harder to book anything.
And I find that true with a lot of my
friends that are in similar boats, like wonderful, amazing, talented

(41:51):
people not household names, and therefore it's gotten a lot triggier.
And and you know, so going back to so as
you know, as women age too, there's just not as
many roles just you know, there's just not as many
roles for us, right, And so that was noticeable and

(42:12):
difficult for me, partly because like I don't, I kind
of just started playing my age. And and even last
week I went out for a role that was like thirties,
like very vague, and I was like, well, I mean
they're calling me in, so I guess yeah, And of
course they find out the person they offered it to

(42:34):
is super duper famous and definitely late thirties and early forties.
So you know, I think, you know, all, she was famous,
so it probably didn't matter really how old she was,
but you know, I think I think we hit a
lot of walls that are like, you know, we talk
about like being persistent and you know, getting back up

(42:59):
and finding new ways to figure out how to reframe
how we're thinking about all of this. Because if I
just went around thinking like that, you just listen to
this podcast, You're like, Wow, she's really bitching about acting
right now. But I don't on a normal everyday basis

(43:21):
have that mentality. I mean, it is kind of the
I'm laying out the truth for you, but I don't
go around on my day to day life feeling the
heaviness of all that because it's just not going to
do me any good. I mean, it really is like,
how do you last as long in the industry and
still do it and not be broken? Is you have

(43:42):
to prioritize manifestation positive, positive, but not toxic. Thinking a
lot of meditation that I think I kind of always
did without knowing it was what I was doing a
lot of not going in the front door but finding

(44:04):
a window, which I always did when I started, and
I would tell people like everyone's waiting in line, don't
wait in line, go find another way in and don't
be gross about it. But like figure out another way
to get in the door. I don't know. I don't

(44:25):
know if I answer your question, but I talked a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You did, but like beyond the barriers that you have
that you talked about, well, we're foud talking to the
guest the last few years is it's that and the
industry is becoming unsustainable for people to work in, regardless
if they're acting, if they're on the production team.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
You're not doing twenty thirty episodes a season. You're doing
six or ten.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
If you're lucky, you're doing six or ten. And so
I hit this, Yeah, so in the fall this is
great news show that I've had this recurring audition on,
and it said it said something about the payment, and
I was like, this can't be right, Like this is
a streaming service. I've worked for HBO before. This is

(45:09):
not This is not what we get paid per episodes.
And so what this show was doing was they were
paying one actor a lot of money and then the
rest of the ensemble cast was getting I think they
had got cut off at like forty five or fifty,

(45:31):
which sounds like a lot, But when you work on
series regular on TV, that's you know that's not super high. No,
And then so and that's maybe the top right the people,
like there were probably plenty of leads that were getting
twenty five thirty wow, And then all the guest stars
and recurrings were getting like a sixth of what we

(45:55):
just struck nine months for. We just struck for nine months,
and then these auditions come and I'm like, wait, I'm
getting less than what we just thought for. And it
felt it kind of feels like this is Hollywood is
just a big race to the bottom, because you know,

(46:15):
did I audition for that? Yes? I did, of course,
because if I didn't audition and I didn't book it,
But if I did and I was like, well, I
want to get my regular rate, they'd be like, no,
we'll just go with the next girl. And so it's
just this race to the bottom. Who can we pay
the least? We take six grand, five grand, three grand, Okay,

(46:40):
you'll do it for one hundred a day. Fantastic. And
so that's what it does kind of feel like that
when you're when you're below, when you're not one of
the famous, like top tiered people, and even then and
even the top tiered people probably have some some words
for people who are like, Okay, I'm a top tier person,
but the man is getting twice as much as me.

(47:03):
What No, I should be getting equal. So there's always
some sort of fight there, but it's just it's how
am I going to make a living if I'm getting
a sixth of what we just struck nine months for?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
How do they how do they justify that though?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And how do the unions go along with it?

Speaker 4 (47:23):
I don't know. But the show is really good and
people love.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
It, so.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
They're going to keep doing it. Yeah, and you know what,
and I if I got to audition for that again,
I would be happy to. I mean, at least it's
like it's a lot of those auditions, a lot of
those roles were multi episode arcs, so maybe that's how
they got away with it. Like it's not like you're
doing you know, one or two scene or you're not

(47:56):
You're you're there for three weeks of shooting or something.
So I don't know, I don't know how they get
away with it. There's always new like clauses or like, oh,
this is a different fluxification or contract or whatever, and
it's just it does kind of feel like you're like, oh, Okay,
I mean, you know, go get paid less.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
That that's what the heart of that New York Times
article is about. It's these are the peak earning years
for Gen X and elder millennials. And it's not that
getting not there at all. The work is just not there.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So I mean, I think in that respect, it makes
it even more grateful that I started when I did,
because I look at like people starting now or people
starting five years ago, and I'm like, I, at least
I got to build up decent credit, you know, credits
for residuals and stuff like. At least I had jobs

(48:56):
that existed on network television, where your residuals actually are decent.
Once everything goes to last streaming platforms, the residuals are
totally completely different, and they're not gonna help you pay
your mortgage. So I'm like, I'm glad I got to

(49:19):
start when I did, and I'm glad I booked. You know,
I had some good years when I did have them.
And then you know, I think, I I guess it
was several years ago I started writing, and that was
like me being like, well, I can't just not be creative,
Like I have stories to tell and I guess I

(49:41):
need to learn how to tell them in a different way.
So I started writing, and I found a writing partner, actually,
my friend David Blue, who was on Start at Universe,
who played Eli. We wrote together for many years. We
have a couple of pilots we wrote, and now I'm everything.
He's even shifted more so now I'm you know, the

(50:04):
last pilot I wrote. I'm like, wait, why am I
writing a pilot. No one's gonna make this. Everything has
to be independently made now, So if I want to
make this, it's got to be for me. Even though
that's like it's not usually I've never written anything purposely

(50:25):
with me in mind, because I think that I don't
think that's the best way to do it, especially as
someone who's not, like, you know, twenty years into a
writing career. But I realize, like I I need to
not necessarily fund it, but I need to like write

(50:48):
it small for small, like less locations, less post, small
cast like there's just all these things that now you're thinking,
like it's cool to just write something for fun. If
you have to tell a story, you have to tell story,
like the other pieces I wrote that I had to

(51:09):
write once like a fantasy one with no one could.
It's just so expensive. It's like it's like Harry Potter expensive.
It's so stupid, but it's fun and I needed to
tell it. It was something I wanted to tell. And
then another one was, you know, I went on a
two year research rabbit hole for the Blackwell sisters, who

(51:30):
were the first two doctors female doctors in America in
the eighteen fifties, and they I was fascinated, and I
did a lot of research and brought it to David
like in six books, like we need to write this,
so we you know, figured out how to tell that story.

(51:51):
So I think, like I'm feeling now like my strategy
has to It's kind of like parenting, right, you like
figure out how to parent your kid. And then they're
like totally different. They're like, oh crap, are okay? All right?
What do I need to figure out now? Like how
do I parent you now? And so it's like you're

(52:11):
constantly constantly having to change tactics. Yeah, how to exist
in this industry in a way that's positive that hopefully,
you know, can bring you money and let you do
what you love doing. And so I'm just you know,
I'm trying to write this as a film instead, and

(52:35):
part of me and I do want to finish it,
but part of me is also like now I need
to also just do a one location for people. Yeah,
and that might be the way. And then I know
for people I know, for people who are at least

(52:57):
more famous than me, which is not famous, so that
will be helpful, you know, Like I need to work
with my friends. I need to do that and focus
on focus on that when I'm not doing self tape
in the basement.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
But also I think for the industry at large. Like
one thing that I learned over the last bunch of
years is that, you know, nobody wants a good story.
They want your audience. So if you if you have
the audience of whatever it is, someone will catch it up.
Like one thing that I learned took me years to
learn this with my own project, is that like I
would get into these meetings and they're like, well, you
have the pilot, you have the show, you have the

(53:35):
you know, potential bible, all this stuff, but you have
the book and do you have a following of like
are you a New York Times bestseller? Have the book
and then we'll pick that up and then we'll redo everything.
And so I have book because I was reverse engineering
what I did.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
And yes, that too, Like you just have to get
an IP, right, If you have an IP, it's like,
oh cool, we'll make it. But if there's no IP,
well okay, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
It's IP with like you know, like with an audience
of people, were an influencer who you know, that's why
they're going for that, and it just makes it more
challenging and just hard.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Does Yeah, for sure, that's tricky because yeah, it's like, well,
had I known that before, I would have just started.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
With the book exactly right.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Well that's how I felt about after ten years or so.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, on that Sheery note, I was. I was hoping
we'd see our space pandy here that you you called
a space.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Law.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, it's it's popping up.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
We need to name them wearing a helmet?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Is it a he or she? Actually? Come on, let's go, Pam,
I don't know. Can you skip ahead from us, Let's
start from the top Mike. Mike in the control room
is doing a great job. But there we go.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
It's from my I get it. It's cut off for me.
Oh yes, you like half the thing. I don't see
the eyes and that probably would clue me in that.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It was okay, well waving at us. Well, Julie, thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I really am so great to see you again and
appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
You of course, did you know Don believes Babylon five
is the greatest science fiction epic of all time. Trevor
believed Don should stop saying that out loud.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Okay, and we're I'm still stuck on the short I'm
stuck on the T shirt. The T shirt was God, dude,
su that is a real gift. Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Can we move on? Yes, because I was trying to
welcome people back after an awesome interview with Julie. But you,
I mean you held it in during that interview. I
know you wanted to mention the T shirt. Yes for
the fifth absolutely, you know, typos happen. It's a it's
a not on our official T shirt. Well, you know what,
these are limited edition typo ones. So if you want
a limited edition no win scenario because what.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Was it, b case he can't even pronounce in.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Case else has a podcast, shoot us an email at
No Win Scenario podcast at gmail dot com. And you
know that was our email, by.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
The way, and Don's going to charge an extra twenty
dollars for them, so.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
We'll sign it. Yeah, we'll sign it. Highest bidder. We
should watch it off. I don't want to sign that.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I will sign every T shirt.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Give us your bids at No Win Scenario Podcast at
gmail side, I will see. We move on now. Yeah, sure, okay,
last week was awesome. By the way, we didn't have
a chance to debris.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Last week was genuinely awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So we got we were fighted. No, that's not true
to say we were invited. I was invited.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Invited, I was, and you rolled it into a podcast.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I did because I'm devious. They wanted to invite a
professor and instead I said, I'll.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Uh, I'll bring this.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I'll bring it down an auction and say, how about
we just do this for the No Win Scenario podcast. Yeah,
that of professing.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And I know this bumm. That's a tagalog.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And we got to interview at Ashton, who wrote Mickey seven,
of which the film Mickey seventeen that just came out
a little while ago.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
I bunk Juntoe.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, great, director of parasitector Parasit's an awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Movie, Parasites, Awesome, snow Piercer, Memory Lotter, Mother, Okja.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And Mickey seventeen was fine.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I really liked Mickey seventeen. I thought the third act
was a little long.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
The third is a little wonky, but especially compared to
the book.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, but leading up to the third act, I really
enjoyed it. I enjoyed the humor. I enjoyed Bong's humor.
Bong has a lot of sick and twisted over the
top here over the films.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Not quite the same as Fifth Element, but like it
leans more Fifth Element than the other things. Yes, I think, Yes,
I just honestly I liked the movie better the second
time I saw it. Yes, for sure, absolutely, because you're disappointed,
you're just enjoying it. Right. I did like the book better, right,
I did think that at Eshton's Mickey seven book was
a little bit better. It's a hard book to adapt

(57:42):
because there was a big chunk of backstory about why
multiples are banned in the universe that they couldn't really
get into the way that it's written out the book,
which I thought was really good.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Right, and that backstory sections like ten pages and you
could tell if they did film that that alone would
cost one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's absolutely, it's so yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Those ten pages are so epic, and.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I'm looking for the book. I do have a signed
copy of the book over there, but the window.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
There's the pandemic the panda.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Oh, we need to name the panda. Actually, listeners can.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Oh, I already know what we should name the panda.
Thought be case Be.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Case the panda.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Is because no one ever had a podcast before. Okay, anyway,
so the book I thought was great. I know you
read a couple pages of it before the interview.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I'm halfway through the book and I'm still reading that.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
You know. The interview was last week. Yes, I know,
and you just that's why you didn't say much, right,
I thought you were just leaving me out to drive,
but no, I was.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Definitely My goal was to hang you out to drive,
which I did.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
The first thing after we were done with the interview,
I said to him, I said, what was going on?
He says, you were being really hammy.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
You were, and he.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Just had nothing to say, and he just left me there.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I asked to add some questions. I asked his wife
some questions. Yeah, I asked questions. Every time time that
you looked at me for a reaction, I just didn't.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Responde dead nothing, and you would get uncomfortable and then
you would say something dumb. Would you do it again?

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yes, of course I would do it again in a
heartbeat live, though it has to be in front of
a live Why is that behave because you you ham
it up because you're sweating so much in front of
a live audience. You really are. That is not an
insult you.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You was very warm in there.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You definitely you're trying not to waste a second. You
don't give anything some breathing room whatsoever. And it's just
funny to see you just rapidly running through things. Just
you're desperate to not have a second of silence.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Are you done? Because me and the four listeners we
have have just fallen asleep listening to that.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Fantastic. Well, thank you all for joining us, Thank you
Julie McNiven. You got anything else to say, Trevor before
we move on?

Speaker 5 (59:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
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