August 30, 2025 • 39 mins
The No Win Scenario Clip Show "Shades of Gray" was so successful so we're back with more. the Wratch of clips includes interviews with Star Trek author Derek Tyler Attico, Star Trek Picard Nemesis, Anchorman 2, Quantum Leap (and so on) Computer/Video Playback & Projection Supervisor Todd A. Marks, The Expanse and The Boys Cinematographer Jeremy Benning, Bleecker Street CEO Kent Sanderson, and Brian Tamm the Executive Director at Independent Film Festival Boston. Listen to this episode then go back to Seasons 1 and 2 for the full interviews.
No Win Scenario is your portal into the universe of science fiction entertainment. Join Don and Trevor as they debate varied viewpoints and dissect beloved narratives. Engaging with industry insiders, they delve into the everyday realities of production and highlight the growing importance of mental health awareness in the film and television industry.
Podcast: No Win Scenario
Episode Number: 306
Release Date: January 12, 2025
Duration: 00:39:44
Hosts: Don Schechter and Trevor Chaberlain
Guests: Derek Tyler Attico, Todd A. Marks, Jeremy Benning, Kent Sanderson, Brian Tamm
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No Win Scenario is your portal into the universe of science fiction entertainment. Join Don and Trevor as they debate varied viewpoints and dissect beloved narratives. Engaging with industry insiders, they delve into the everyday realities of production and highlight the growing importance of mental health awareness in the film and television industry.
Podcast: No Win Scenario
Episode Number: 306
Release Date: January 12, 2025
Duration: 00:39:44
Hosts: Don Schechter and Trevor Chaberlain
Guests: Derek Tyler Attico, Todd A. Marks, Jeremy Benning, Kent Sanderson, Brian Tamm
Website: https://www.nowinscenariopodcast.com
Email: NoWinScenarioPodcast@gmail.com
Follow No Win Scenario on X (Formerly Twitter): @nowinscenario
Follow No Win Scenario on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61551025621867
TikTok: @NoWinScenarioPodcast
Subscribe on your favorite platform
Mental Health Crisis Resources
In the US: 1-800-950-NAMI (6264)
Or text HELPLINE to 62640
Or email helpline@nami.org
International: visit suicidestop.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I haven't listened to anything you've said in the last
twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Damn it, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
We had a shit line.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Two friends who hate each other, rude talking science fiction.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It has become this cultural phenomenon, along with some special guests.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I appreciate what Star Trek did to me. I would
love to have this book get banned.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And that wasn't acting, that wasn't real. Do you know
what Our YouTube channel is absolutely not No Win Scenario
with Trevor and Dawn.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, we're not doing that. Boom, Hi everyone, and welcome
to yet another episode of No Win Scenario Podcast. I
am don Checkter and with me sitting silently and judging me,
don't speak, don't speak, it's Trevor Chamberlain. Trevor say hi, hello,
don't speak. I'm mad at you because in the previous
episode you destroyed half of the No Win Scenario Breaking
(00:54):
news podcastes. What do you have to say?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What do I have to say?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah? That hurt my feelings, and I have good news.
I have good news to share. Are you ready for
some good news?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I cannot No, I cannot look at this.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Rates Yeah, well, good movie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Good movie, the original Dune. But I have some good
news today, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, but how are you? I'm doing well? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
hanging in there?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah good?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah good. How do I look terrible? Like I haven't
slept in No?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You look exhausted? Yes, yes, But I have good news
because the first clip show that we ever did a
couple episodes back was so successful that we're going to
do it again.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I can't take that seriously.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It was so it was so well received yeah yeah
by the person who saw it, that we're going to
do it again. And we're gonna get all the guests
from season one and two who we didn't have time
in that clip show and talk with them and talk
with them what am I saying and hear from them
the highlights of what they had to say. But before
we do that, I've got a surprise for you, A surprise,
(02:03):
a surprise for you. Are you ready for surprise?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, And this has not been well clearly not rehearse
because it's not gonna be good. But can you confirm
can you confirm that this says it's a Gmail address
and it says no Win Scenario podcast at gmail dot com.
Can you confirm that? Oh, sorry, we need reading glasses
from CBS.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I can confirm that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You can confirm it. He confirms that. And look right here,
what do you see right here in our inbox? What
is it right there? Before you dive into it?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Vibes over Victory.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What do you see? It's an email address, an email
and it is our first fan mail at No Win
Scenario podcast at gmail dot com. Oh, he can smile.
Look at that. He is smiling. And he needs to
read this out loud before, so read it out loud.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Stumbled on your podcast, read it to the audience. I
Trevor and Donald Donald.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
My name's not Donald, first of all, but once I'll
forgive it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I stumbled on your podcasts recently and have been in
join Nick greatly. I have to admit, yes, I literally
thought that's an annoying at first, greatly I had a
few thoughts. Okay, so going right into.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We love our fans here they're winners, the winners, so
we call them the winners the pot. No, okay, continue reading,
he has not seen this before. Keep reading.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
When it comes to movies shows, I noticed Trevor has
a very eye bail in the first.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
He bails in the first ten minutes. See, our viewers
are smart, they recognize.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This, or if there's a weird bach Seed cut of philosophy.
I wonder when Donald makes recommendations for Trevor if he
could maybe edit snip the show movie into a more
palatable fifteen minute summary for him.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, so you kind of sped through that. So the
gist was you never finished anything you started. We just
recently had an interview with Lyson Hollett, editor from Paradise,
and you admitted you had yet to finish that show.
You finished Mickey seven after our show about Mickey seven,
and most shows you just stop watching. So they've noticed
(04:03):
this and they are demanding change.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, not gonna happen, Not gonna happen. No, No to continue.
I also noticed that Donald don't like that, has a
hard time not interrupting Trevor, even during Trevor's tangent very bored.
One solution could be having Donald where one of those
shot dog shot collar dog shots or ever, can do
(04:26):
a little zap when he gets interrupted.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Someone's been dating you.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I'd also like to bring this review to Don's attention
because I think it might be time for him to
reconsider his all time favorite TV show right, and then
he publishes a review from September fifteenth, twenty twenty four,
one and a half stars out of five stars.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what this is about.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I have a guess what this is?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
A Neon genesis, Evangeline say that right at all. No
about Babylon five.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Has to do with Baby Long Five easily the most
overrated sci fi series to date. False, ugly, bland sets
that don't make you feel like you're in a giant
floating cylinder in space. Uninteresting characters, terrible dialogue, laughable cgi
filmed actually wait filmed, acted and paced like general hospitals.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
All wrong, all true. You've never seen more than five
minutes of the show.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I've watched five episodes during COVID. The security chief is
just a schlubby, overweight gut okay, that's mean, overweight guy
from brook Brooklyn with you. It's too close to home,
with no characterization to make you believe this guy is
from the future. Both captains are bland, dull, uninspiring men.
Ifanova's character is completely whatever, ham fisted and cliche and
(05:49):
terribly acted. All the aliens are mostly just depicting Eastern Europeans.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Enough of the slant Western enough of the slander.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Stereotype of them. I got half of the three overrated
story told via TV production standards leftover from the mid
to late eighties. It doesn't matter if your story is
written out beforehand, if the story is dull and poorly acted.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The ipipack I am and trying to physically restrain Trevor
familiar bit more about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Those up and says just some thoughts. Can't wait for
season three. You're a singular Canuck fan.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Singular Canuck fan, that's Canada. Yep, we are global, we
are global.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I love that email.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Especially that the Trevor will bail in the first ten
minutes of everything. I'll continue to do you will continue
to do so well. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We finally watched.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Vibes over Victory. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
When we finally watched Megalopolis together, I have a feeling
that we're both only going to make make it through ten.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Minutes, I would think, so yeah, oh my goodness. Well,
if any of you would like to email us your
review of US or nineteen nineties TV shows, or.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Want to complain that I only watch ten minutes of
things before I bail.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Change, you can email us at no Win Scenario podcast
at gmail dot com. But today today, did that make
you feel good?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That made you feel good? Yeah, and that's why we're here. Oh,
this is the happiest he's been all day. He just
walked in here just a sour puss face and just
threw a fit. Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I did not throw them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
How many of my toys have you knocked down? Today? Five? Five? Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Five more to go?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, going back to our clip show episode part two,
Derek Tyler Attiko, author the Autobiography of Benjamin Cisco Deep
Space nine, one of my favorite Star treks.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Think one of the best episodes we ever did.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He was so engaging And I just think we were
both inspired by it and the whole thing just I
felt worked together really well. I really enjoyed that episode
so much.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Me too. And this was back when we were just
doing audio podcast. But we do have some zoom recordings,
so that's why we'll share a little bit from Derek
right now. Some criticism of the show the finale was
that he abandoned his his newborn child, his son, his life,
which wasn't good for you know, at the time, there
was a lot of racial implications about why are we
(08:10):
showing this African American man doing this. Now the flip
side is he quote died a hero saving everybody, but
because of his alien background, he's in the temple. And
what I like about what you did is this kind
of closes that, so it's not like he just disappeared
and that's it. I mean, yes, there's been other stories
and novels and things you can read, but that element
of talking to his son and closing that and not
(08:33):
ending that finale, I think for me it was a great,
great move on your part.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right right now, you're you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Listened or actually watched the interview with Iris Stephen Burr,
showrunner one. Of course, one of the writers were nine,
and he even he expressed that it was never the
intention to have a play on the fact that as
an African American man leaving his son. The writers of
(09:03):
the of the Space nine, their intention was that it
would be a mythological elevation.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
This captain became a God. Yeah, we are making a
captain of God.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
That was that was always the intention, and and so
I believe Ira Stephen Bearr said that Avery Brooks spoke
to him and said, well, you know, it also will
look like this thing. And so that's where they changed
the line where Cisco says, you know, I'll be back.
I don't know if yesterday or a year from now, right,
(09:44):
you know, but I will be back.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And so.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Me, as a writer and understanding all of that and
taking all of this in, said okay, I don't you know,
I'm not actually taking him out of the wormhole, but
I can actually give the reader some insight into what
he is thinking. He being banned is thinking as soon
(10:10):
as he gets there, and the first thing he's thinking
is this message is for my son. Here I am,
I'm going to send this message to my son. Actually,
before I speak to Cassidy, how.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Did you get yourself into inside Cisco's head to write
the story? And why was it important for you to
tell Cisco's story?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh wow, that's that's a uh don that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Professional here, I'm a professional sci fi a low budget
I see that discuss.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Stop stop it is not good for your career, it
is not good for already.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, I'm gonna get into both of you guys, so
get ready, yes, said.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes, yes, my favorite guest to my favorite On top
of that, this is the study of anniversary of Space nine.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
So you know there are certain expectations, right, so you
know I'm going to meet them.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And hopefully exceed them.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
So I looked to Joseph, and Joseph opened in incredible
doors for me, because then I realized through Joseph, I
could explain a lot of things about Louisiana, about Earth.
I could I could talk about the African American experience,
I could talk about the Black experience in the twenty second,
(11:29):
twenty third, and twenty fourth centuries. And because Joseph has
a lot of things going on in the Cisco family
until up to Joseph has a certain amount of trauma
that's going on in the family, but not wanting to
leave everything. Why they don't want to leave earthing? And
and I think Ben and his father have a really
(11:49):
interesting conversation. You know, he says, I where Joseph doesn't
want him to leave everything, Benny's like, I have to
go for the same reasons you don't want me to go,
or the reasons I have to leave.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
So so Joseph opened a lot of doors war me,
and I'm very thankful to the writers of these Spaceline
but the characters that they started and they laid out,
because without that, it just gave me so much material
to just dive and delve into. To go back to
your one of your first parts of this question, what
(12:23):
does you mean to me?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, it means everything.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Thanks again for doing the show, Derek. Next up is
Todd A Marx from season one computer video playback supervisor
supervisor on Star Trek Picard.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I remember me asking a lot of boring questions.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Very boring questions back then. I help, you've done a
much better job of talking less.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We all appreciate very much. I actually found him very
interesting actually, because it's not a job a lot of
people know about, and he's been done like Ingerman too,
and like a lot of different shows, and it's a
very interesting piece of like the filmmaking production puzzle.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right, And I was very excited that he worked on
Star Trek the motion picture and I tried to talk
about it, and you both shut me down, it said,
this is not what this episode is about.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Speaking of shutting you down. Should we listen to a
little bit of Todd.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, let's go to a clip of Todd.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
My name is Todd Marks.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I'm a computer video playback supervisor and also a projection
mapping specialist, and I've been working in the film and
television industry for about thirty years now professionally. I started
shooting videos back in the early eighties and moved to
(13:40):
LA in eighty eight to finish my schooling and then
get into to the industry, which I was able to do.
So that's a little bit about me.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Are there a lot of you out there doing Hollywood?
Speaker 6 (13:55):
There are not. There are certainly a variety of different
you know, there's probably a good handful of top tier
playback people.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
There's a playback men and women, playback technicians, playback engineers.
There's not a lot who kind of span all the
different things that I do, as far as there's some
that are very technical. I mix the creative aspects of
overseeing the creation of the content and mixing the newer
(14:36):
technologies or the appropriate technologies for whatever the project is.
And again that's not particularly unique. There are a handful
who do that. But just I think my background and
all the different types of things that I kind of
bring in is unique.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, it's not like a normal nine to five jobs.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You're in the intense, you know environment, and you're doing
these like incredible things oftentimes, and you know and now
with like a star trek, you get like fan adoration
and you know, all this other positives and people you know,
really finding what you do fascinating and then dealing with
(15:20):
you know, oh, then you've got to come back to
reality and live as a normal person in you know,
in a house and changes you're you know, you kind
of it's it's been very difficult at times where you know,
you get angry and frustrated because it's like this one
place I'm treated this way and then this other place
(15:41):
I'm treated you know, at home it's like not you
don't get that home, yes exactly, and so uh, you know,
and it's a tire, you know, you're tired and don't
want to necessarily have to deal with all these other
issues at home, and so yeah, there is a definite
level of understand you know, understanding and stress that is
(16:05):
involved in this.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Are you diagnosed with adhd Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, I'm from a very very very early age.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
My mom had done her thesis paper on it, so
you know, when I was in grade school, it was
very obvious that, you know, I was, I had what
they called learning disabled is which is what used to
be called hyperactive learning disabled, you know. And then I
got to go to once a week where you could
(16:35):
you got to go to a different program at a
different school for the gifted kids. And that's actually where
I first got to They had like a little TV
studio at this school with like three cameras and a
little control room switcher thing, where I first got to
actually do that back in grade school.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I've I've had to deal with that my whole life.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's amazing seeing that you had the resources that, I mean,
because I've always been diagnosed with it in the past
few years and I'm I'm in my late forties and
even coming up in the eighties and nineties, it wasn't
really talked about that. Yeah, I mean, it was being
talked about more, but it still wasn't talked about that much.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean, I was fortunate and that my mom was,
you know, a marriage family therapist who was into the
transactional the TA for teens and dots and you know,
and we used to have encounter groups that she was
involved in in the seventies, and you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Know, so I grew up in that kind of environment.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
My dad was an aerospace engineer at lockeed and my
mom was, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This therapist.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So they always had their little struggles as well, different personalities.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So yeah, I mean I was kind of used to
that growing up.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You've worked with a toeurs like Danny Oil and Steven
Soderberg one of my favorite favorite filmmakers. You've worked with
crafts people like Stuart Baird and Stuart and oh okay,
and me let you want to comment on that one,
and and me me letter, I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Stuart Baird, I mean, I mean his editing skills.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I was just gonna say he was one of
the great great editors.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, not who you want to direct Star Trek.
You don't typically not a great idea to get a
first time director who hates Star Trek to direct a
Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So yeah, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thanks again, Todd for doing the show. And up next,
Jeremy Benning. Jeremy is someone who I've known through the
Internet for a number of years. I first came to
know him as the cinematographer of the expanse have you
seen the Expanse Yes, I love that show. Oh, I've
got the Rosinante right here everyone. And he's worked on
The Boys, He's done documentaries and films and TV up
(18:58):
in Canada. And let's hear a little bit from Jeremy Benning.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
My name is Jeremy Benning. I'm a director of photography.
I live in Toronto, Ontario. I shoot a lot of
episodic television. I've got a history of doing commercials and
music videos and documentaries and it sort of led me
to working on a lot of long form projects for
various streaming platforms there. And remember too, of the first
two seasons of Expanse, I did them by myself. I
(19:23):
didn't have an alternate DP, which at the time I
didn't know any better. And I mean it was crazy
that I did that, but I did. And I after
the second season, I'm like, I can't do that anymore.
But I think Jason Brown, one of our producers, said
that from the first season to the last season, something
like they had like eighty percent crew retention.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Wow, which is a.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Very that's like several hundred people. Yeah, state, that's very
unusual for a show, an episodic TV show. And that
speaks to the story we were telling that everyone wanted
to be there, telling it that the people running it,
we're running it in a way that everyone wanted to
stay and continue work with them. It wasn't a toxic place.
It was it was a functional, collaborative, enjoyable work environment.
(20:06):
And that's why I kept going back. And it was
always like, well, what else would I be doing? There
was nothing else that came along that was better, and
you know, I did do other things in between, so
I used the time I had off because we would
have months of downtime between seasons. And the thing is,
we never knew if the show was going to be
renewed each season until the last second, So usually like
there we'd wrap, then there'd be like three four months
(20:27):
of post and whatever. The last window of time like
where the network had to tell us if we were
being renewed or not. It was always like the midnight
of the day before they would say, Okay, you're renewed,
So there'd be months in between where we all just
had to know, and then Amazon after season three. But
but with sci Fi, originally sci Fi wouldn't tell us
until like they literally their contractual final day of when
(20:48):
they can tell us, which was like months after we wrapped,
so we didn't nobody knew if we were going back
to it each year.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Job in security is just for everybody, is just.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Job and security. So I would take I would take
other things in between, and I made a conscious effort
to take things that were very not sci fi, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I did.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I did the long Ward Home, I did The Boys,
I did I did other things in between the seasons
of Expanse so I could kind of just try other
things and not be just so the sci fi person,
you know, and I did. I was asked to do
Star Trek when the new Star Trek came along. I
was asked to do the first season of Star Trek
because I had just done the Expanse and they were
(21:26):
actually building We were at Pinewood.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Which went Picard or Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
No, No, Next Generation the first one, Next Generation Discovery, sorry, Discovery,
Discovery Discovery that was the first. That was the first
thing that they started, And they were actually building the
sets at Pinewood. We were at Pinewood and they were
like across the way in the same complex building the
sets for that, and so we were like seeing them
building the sets where we were actually filming the first
season of expans and they asked me if I wanted to,
(21:51):
Like I was approached by the show, and I it
was a tough decision, but I thought, well, here's a
show that I'm on that we've built ourselves from the
ground up. It's a small family we have, we're build,
we're doing something new. I have a very good relationship
with the creative team. If I go to Star Trek,
they're asking me, They're basically wanting me to go to
(22:12):
that show to take the ideas that I've got from
Expanse and and injected into Star Trek to give it
a new thing interesting. But I'd also would lose my
creative power in a sense because it's a much bigger machine.
It's a legacy show. You're dealing with a giant committee
of people, and it's also something that's been done for decades.
And I felt, I really felt that the Expanse was
something special and I should stay with it. So I,
(22:35):
you know, against the better advice of some of my
colleagues and representatives and stuff. They were like, you got
what are you crazy? Like, You've got to take this
this is like, this is the prestige show that everybody
wants to be on, and I'm like, I think I
should stay with the expanse. I think there's a lot
more healthy choices being made. I see people the drug
and alcohol thing I see less of now. I mean
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earlier in my career, I was aware of a lot
of people who who drank heavily and would come to
work smelling like booze or hungover. Like it was a
constant culture in our in our business, and I see
a lot less of that now. I think the pandemic
taught like gave us all a reset in a good way.
I think people started to appreciate their personalize more. There's
certainly a lot more talk of people taking you know,
(23:18):
like I see it on my crew where where like
the grips and lightning and camera department, where one of
the heads of those departments say, oh, so and so
isn't coming in tomorrow because they need they need to
take some time, or they've got a thing going on,
so and and of course they come to me, is
that okay? Or one of my keys will say, hey,
I need a date to where I got to go.
I have disappointment, or I got to deal with my
(23:40):
kids thing or whatever. And of course I say, yeah,
of course, Like I never say no to that because
I know what it's like being and I don't because
I don't have that luxury as the DP, I can't
do that really very easily to say, hey, I'm going
to take the day off tomorrow. So when someone in
my one of my departments ask for that, I say,
of course, like I understand, you know, so I think
it's got.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
They asked for a good they have a good reason
if they're well tell me.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Like this, yeah, like my kid has a thing, or
I've got to go go to this, like my dance recital, whatever,
some important thing with their kid or they have whatever.
I always say yeah, I mean, of course, I mean
I understand what it takes to be in this business
and I don't want to keep people from those kind
of things. And I think it's gotten better. There's less
there's a lot more awareness of mental health. It's more
(24:23):
openly discussed. I think even with the sort of the
more macho departments like the grips and stuff like that.
You mean, there's I can see that that those people,
and there's a lot more and there's a lot of
women in those departments now too. It's it's become a
lot more diverse, that there's more of an awareness of
your mental state. You know. It's it's it's not perfect
by any means, but certainly compared to what it was
(24:44):
twenty years ago, it's a lot better.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Thanks again, Jeremy. And up next, Trevor. Is something a
little different. We talked to Kent Sanderson, someone I know
back from my college days, who is the president of
Acquisitions and ancillary Distribution at Bleaker Street, a distribution company
for film, and they've been doing really well and they
start to branch out into science fiction more and more.
(25:08):
And let's hear what kind of had to say to us.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I am Ken Sanderson.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I am the president of Acquisitions and ancillary Distribution at
the indie film studio Bleaker Street. My job encompasses overseeing
all of our productions as well as any films required finished,
and I also oversee all revenue streams outside of the
initial theatrical release, So that includes streaming, VOD, exciting things
(25:38):
like airlines and army bases, sort of everything in that
in that universe. You know, it's it's because when you
I'm usually less worried. Actually, I'll see this. I have
two moments where I'm the most stressed. One is when
I see a director's cut of a movie for the
first time, you know, where I'm just like, I, man,
(26:00):
I dragged the whole company into this movie. I hope
it's good or I hope it's not doesn't cause problems.
And usually when I get a buy halfway through a cut,
I'll sort of know that the dread will either increase
or dissipate depending on what I'm seeing. So, like I was,
I watched the director's kind of a film two days ago,
and and I was like, I just I had this
(26:21):
sort of just sinking feeling all morning along and I realized, like,
oh yeah, it's because I have to go to the
screening rod and watch the movie. Fortunately, I was very
happy with the cut. But it's that is that's always
the toughest And then the other toughest part is honestly
when the film was released and you start to see
the numbers coming in, if it's if it's going to
work or not.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You know, we.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Definitely had some successes of this year, and we had
some movies which which which really underperformed and those are tough,
especially as an independent company, and you know, the bigger
the bet you make, both in terms of the budget
of the movie and in your marketing spend, the bigger
the stakes are. And it's it can be pretty scary
when something doesn't really connect, like you know this year,
(27:02):
you know the film we did with Tony Kollette, Mafia Mama.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, I wanted to bring that one up. I'm actually
still looking forward to seeing that I write or Die
for Tony Kollette. I was curious how that was for
you guys.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
It was one of these things where the movie came
out to be kind of exactly what we signed up for.
It's funny, she's fantastic in it. Everyone had a great
time making it, and we just and we committed more
on that for marketing. Then we basically had any other
movie we've done in years and believed it could cross
over into the mainstream. And I think we just got
(27:37):
blindsided by the reviews. We knew that not everyone's going
to be a fan. It's a very silly movie on purpose,
and the reviewers really just went out from blood on it.
I think that really hurt the performance of the films
that was that was our big disappointment this year, even
though I loved working with Tony and Catherine Hardwick and
the producers, It's just sometimes you get sometimes you just
(27:58):
get surprised our things, and that was not a good surprise.
One of the things that I learned early in my career,
which was literally the way the General Electric which owned
NBC Universal at the time, considered movies to be profitable,
and their metric was the green light model. At the
base case of box office and vod all that stuff,
you have to earn basically fifteen percent on your on
(28:20):
your investment. Not a huge return, but remember movies are expensive,
so fifteen percent is okay. Sort of like when Westerns
fell out of favor, something else had to replace them
as sort of the go to form of entertainment. I'm
curious what comes after superhero movies, but I'm not as
concerned about the future of the mid level, you know,
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indie style movie because I think the one thing I've
learned over the last couple of years is if you
get into something that you believe in with a filmmaker,
you believe in and you believe if there is a
core audience, even if it's just one core audience that's
going to show up to the movie or rented on
vod Then there's a there's a real there's a sustainable
business model there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Thanks Ken for doing the show. We really appreciate it.
And finally, finally we have Brian Tam a personal friend
of mine, but.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm not one just for the record, but because I
hate you.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
He runs the Independent Film Festival Boston, which has two
festivals a year, one in the spring and one in
the fall. And we talked to him about science fiction
in the indie world, and mostly Don and Brian talked
about how Dune nineteen eighty four is a great movie
(29:36):
and I just wanted to cut my own head off
the entire time.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
That's a little dramatic, sir, It was true. Why why
don't you like it?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
What is their problem? In ten words or less?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You can feel you can feel.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
He's counting with his fingers. It's just in case you're
listening and out a product.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's going to go over ten. You can tell it
was a production.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're talking to your microphone, sir Lynch. There's the microphones
right here.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You can tell that Lynch lost control of the production.
You can feel it you can feel the entire film
from the beginning slipping away from him right away. And
when it opens up with that expository scene with what's
her name looking into the camera and what's her name? Say?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
At least the year ten, the new universe is ruled
by the Padish the fourth my father. That that opening, yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And then doesn't if I remember correctly, because the last
time I saw it was with you in the theater
and I just wanted to die. Is it doesn't? The
last twenty minutes just run through like ten books.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, have you read the books?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I will lend you my copies.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
No, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
We'll have a podcast of just you trying to read
the first page.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's funny. Yeah, sure, I just I find it to
be very messy, and I don't think it will No.
It it looks it has a creative look to it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, it's a clip show. Should we get
to our clip?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Sure you?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Bonna, thank you, Brian, Thank you, Brian. Let's hear from Brian.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I'm Brian tam I'm the executive director of the Independent
Film Festival Boston.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Both Dawn and Brian think that Dune nineteen eighty four
is absolutely brilliant. And when they met that night at
the Bridle Theater, that was their first time that they met.
About halfway through the film, I looked over and they
(31:44):
were holding hands and they were wipe.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I was gonna say, we have a love you'll never understand, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They were wiping each other's tears, their tears of joy
off each other's faces, and uh. And I sat there
and I was like, this isn't sufferable, this is ridiculus.
The point of this is that Done two is now
out and I loved it, and I believe Brian, you
loved Denny Villanov's Dune Part two.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yes, absolutely, yes, Yeah, so I guess.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Look, I get that people don't like Dune. I get
it like I get it. I get that it's not
I get that it's flawed. I get that for someone
who hasn't read the books, it's completely incomprehensible. I totally
understand that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But Trevor hasn't read the books.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I have not, so he's no context.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I do feel because I've had this experience, like watching
it at the Brattle, where people I know came up
to me and they're like, okay, like I don't know
what the hell happened, and like what is this and
what is this one? Like I totally get that, but
I also feel that it does capture. I mean, keep
in mind, Herbert was on set while this was being made,
and Herbert when he saw I think he probably saw
(32:52):
like an early rough cut, like maybe like five the
five hour cut, and he loved it. And I think
he even understood that, you know, like look you can
a book is a book and a movie is a movie,
and they kind of are doing two different things.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
The way I see it is the new one. He
wanted to focus on the beny Chesterate and sort of
one pillar of the society from the book series. But
what I think made the book very interesting is it
wasn't just the benny Chester. It it was the beny Chester,
it was the Mentats, It was the balance between the
Emperor and the different houses, but also the Chom Like
(33:25):
there was this Chom company contract right that they have
in the eighty four one, Like it was about the
lands rat and how you know, the Emperor was worried
that the Treatees was being so becoming popular amongst the
other great houses, that he was a threat, not that
he led with love or whatever. Christopher Walkin said that
I needed to cut out of that new film. But
(33:46):
the Guild, the Guild was right right, exactly good.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Yeah, you get a sense of he's the emperor, but
he's still beholden to other people. And I think what's
what I love so much about Herbert's book is it's
so interested in politics. And I mean to the point
that in the book the Baron is a spoiler. The
Baron is killed basically off screen, like he doesn't care
about the specifics. The Baron is dead. Now what does
that mean for the politics? That's the thing that intrigues him.
(34:10):
So I think both of these filmmakers, both vill Neuve
and Lynch, have to take the story and be like, okay,
like this is a book of ideas, how do we
make this kind of into a movie that's got images
in it? And I feel like what Lynch tried to
do is focus on, like, Okay, where are the action
parts in it that we can make kind of a
traditional science fiction and then we'll kind of pump it
(34:31):
full of voiceovers to kind of maybe explain things through.
And I think what vill Neuve did it, said, well,
let's just talk like, let's make this more character based,
and we're going to write dialogue that isn't in the
book but gives you a sense of who these people
are without having to have a big exposition dup or
without having to have a voiceover. And I think they
both come at it differently, and I think they're both
successful in their owe.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, they absolutely are. I just wish the Guild was
involved because I feel like that was such such a
just so missing in this so missing. It would make
the world so much richer and give it so much
more scope versus just like the Emperor lives in a
house in some random planet. He's I don't know, it
just it felt a little shallow on that front.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Thank you Brian for being on the Thank you, Brian, yep,
thank you. And I guess that does it for this episode.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That does it for clip show Part two. We've now
caught up with all our previous guests. What does the
future hold for you, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
More episodes of No One's scenario. I think that's probably
all I've had on the dogget right.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now, that's not true. You could clean my duckies and
I just like clean them. Sure, yeah, yeah, I went
you're gonna pay well you heard from past guess who've
worked with the answers? Note, but are you looking forward
to more episodes? Now? What's what's your preference? Do you
like the news desk? Do you like your old set?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I don't like to be I don't like either of them.
I like I like to I like the zoom.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You like the zoom? Why is that.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because I I don't have to wake up early and
come here?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Wake up early? His call time was eleven am?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, but I woke up very early to get ready
for that?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Was it the anxiety?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Would you like to talk about it with our guests?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Views, I would not like to talk about my anxiety
disorder with our guests.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
You know, I think this episode is really about interviewing
Trevor here. So Trevor, why don't you tell us what's
wrong with you? Let me rephrase that, how dare you?
And what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
We don't have eight hours to eight hours?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah? I think I could diagnose you as a non
professional in moments.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Oh that's so bad.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's bad?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Should we cut that out?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
No, we're staying. I'm still going back a couple episodes
where you were trying to embarrass me with some made
up falsehoods, and now I'm just taking out my revenge.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's fine, Is that okay?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah? Do you have anything to say to the audience,
Keep stil.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're going to be back soon.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Keep sending mail, no scenario podcasts at gmail dot.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Com, keep listening, will keep fighting and disagreeing with each other.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
In the meantime, they can also watch, because you know
this is being video report. They got that.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Watch now, watch and listen yay, and uh we hope
you all come back and all three of you and
more than three, well we see you will we see
you very much, and uh we'll miss you.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Season three here we come.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Would you like to maybe thank the crew who's working
here on a Monday to make you look good?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Thank you. I'm too embarrassed to too embarrassed, too embarrassed
to say anything to them because I feel so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Thank you, Andrew, John Ian Morgan Casey, everyone at Charles
River Media. Thank you everything we plugged Charles River Media
Media one more time, one more thank you everybody at
Charles River Media.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Don't forget so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I genuinely merge coming soon, no whin scenario merge.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, whatever words that are misspelled on them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
How's that smell? I haven't watched that since the last
time I wore it sitting in my office. You've got
don odor all around you right now, you can take
that home.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I genuinely feel bad for everybody on your crew. This
is so unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
What do you think about this little camera here that's
going back and forth? Here comes with the globe. Take
a look, globe number one. Look at this artistic touch.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I'm gonna ask our camera operator who is just suffering
over there.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
He really wants to go to lone.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
How long? How long ian did it take to set
all this up this morning?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Two hours?
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Eight thirty I had to unload and that's set up.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So it took two and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Two and a half hours to set up. Yeah, and
now they're just breaking down. They're just walking in the studio.
We're not done here yet. Are we still rolling? Because
we're trying to stop here they're getting burritos. We're still rolling. John,
that's up. Literally had our sound guy walking the door
from the control room door burrito.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That is the respect that we need. To end here,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Time to go. It's burrito o'clock. Yeah all right, So
from all of us and none of us, yep, thanks
for watching.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Thank you, season three.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I get the last word, okay, boom boom.
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I haven't listened to anything you've said in the last
twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Damn it, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
We had a shit line.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Two friends who hate each other, rude talking science fiction.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It has become this cultural phenomenon, along with some special guests.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I appreciate what Star Trek did to me. I would
love to have this book get banned.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And that wasn't acting, that wasn't real. Do you know
what Our YouTube channel is absolutely not No Win Scenario
with Trevor and Dawn.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Okay, we're not doing that. Boom, Hi everyone, and welcome
to yet another episode of No Win Scenario Podcast. I
am don Checkter and with me sitting silently and judging me,
don't speak, don't speak, it's Trevor Chamberlain. Trevor say hi, hello,
don't speak. I'm mad at you because in the previous
episode you destroyed half of the No Win Scenario Breaking
(00:54):
news podcastes. What do you have to say?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What do I have to say?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah? That hurt my feelings, and I have good news.
I have good news to share. Are you ready for
some good news?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I cannot No, I cannot look at this.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Rates Yeah, well, good movie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Good movie, the original Dune. But I have some good
news today, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, but how are you? I'm doing well? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
hanging in there?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah good?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah good. How do I look terrible? Like I haven't
slept in No?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You look exhausted? Yes, yes, But I have good news
because the first clip show that we ever did a
couple episodes back was so successful that we're going to
do it again.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I can't take that seriously.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It was so it was so well received yeah yeah
by the person who saw it, that we're going to
do it again. And we're gonna get all the guests
from season one and two who we didn't have time
in that clip show and talk with them and talk
with them what am I saying and hear from them
the highlights of what they had to say. But before
we do that, I've got a surprise for you, A surprise,
(02:03):
a surprise for you. Are you ready for surprise?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm ready?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Okay, And this has not been well clearly not rehearse
because it's not gonna be good. But can you confirm
can you confirm that this says it's a Gmail address
and it says no Win Scenario podcast at gmail dot com.
Can you confirm that? Oh, sorry, we need reading glasses
from CBS.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I can confirm that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You can confirm it. He confirms that. And look right here,
what do you see right here in our inbox? What
is it right there? Before you dive into it?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Vibes over Victory.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
What do you see? It's an email address, an email
and it is our first fan mail at No Win
Scenario podcast at gmail dot com. Oh, he can smile.
Look at that. He is smiling. And he needs to
read this out loud before, so read it out loud.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Stumbled on your podcast, read it to the audience. I
Trevor and Donald Donald.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
My name's not Donald, first of all, but once I'll
forgive it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I stumbled on your podcasts recently and have been in
join Nick greatly. I have to admit, yes, I literally
thought that's an annoying at first, greatly I had a
few thoughts. Okay, so going right into.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We love our fans here they're winners, the winners, so
we call them the winners the pot. No, okay, continue reading,
he has not seen this before. Keep reading.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
When it comes to movies shows, I noticed Trevor has
a very eye bail in the first.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
He bails in the first ten minutes. See, our viewers
are smart, they recognize.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
This, or if there's a weird bach Seed cut of philosophy.
I wonder when Donald makes recommendations for Trevor if he
could maybe edit snip the show movie into a more
palatable fifteen minute summary for him.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, so you kind of sped through that. So the
gist was you never finished anything you started. We just
recently had an interview with Lyson Hollett, editor from Paradise,
and you admitted you had yet to finish that show.
You finished Mickey seven after our show about Mickey seven,
and most shows you just stop watching. So they've noticed
(04:03):
this and they are demanding change.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, not gonna happen, Not gonna happen. No, No to continue.
I also noticed that Donald don't like that, has a
hard time not interrupting Trevor, even during Trevor's tangent very bored.
One solution could be having Donald where one of those
shot dog shot collar dog shots or ever, can do
(04:26):
a little zap when he gets interrupted.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Someone's been dating you.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I'd also like to bring this review to Don's attention
because I think it might be time for him to
reconsider his all time favorite TV show right, and then
he publishes a review from September fifteenth, twenty twenty four,
one and a half stars out of five stars.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what this is about.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I have a guess what this is?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
A Neon genesis, Evangeline say that right at all. No
about Babylon five.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Has to do with Baby Long Five easily the most
overrated sci fi series to date. False, ugly, bland sets
that don't make you feel like you're in a giant
floating cylinder in space. Uninteresting characters, terrible dialogue, laughable cgi
filmed actually wait filmed, acted and paced like general hospitals.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
All wrong, all true. You've never seen more than five
minutes of the show.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I've watched five episodes during COVID. The security chief is
just a schlubby, overweight gut okay, that's mean, overweight guy
from brook Brooklyn with you. It's too close to home,
with no characterization to make you believe this guy is
from the future. Both captains are bland, dull, uninspiring men.
Ifanova's character is completely whatever, ham fisted and cliche and
(05:49):
terribly acted. All the aliens are mostly just depicting Eastern Europeans.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Enough of the slant Western enough of the slander.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Stereotype of them. I got half of the three overrated
story told via TV production standards leftover from the mid
to late eighties. It doesn't matter if your story is
written out beforehand, if the story is dull and poorly acted.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The ipipack I am and trying to physically restrain Trevor
familiar bit more about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Those up and says just some thoughts. Can't wait for
season three. You're a singular Canuck fan.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Singular Canuck fan, that's Canada. Yep, we are global, we
are global.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I love that email.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Especially that the Trevor will bail in the first ten
minutes of everything. I'll continue to do you will continue
to do so well. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We finally watched.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Vibes over Victory. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
When we finally watched Megalopolis together, I have a feeling
that we're both only going to make make it through ten.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Minutes, I would think, so yeah, oh my goodness. Well,
if any of you would like to email us your
review of US or nineteen nineties TV shows, or.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Want to complain that I only watch ten minutes of
things before I bail.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Change, you can email us at no Win Scenario podcast
at gmail dot com. But today today, did that make
you feel good?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That made you feel good? Yeah, and that's why we're here. Oh,
this is the happiest he's been all day. He just
walked in here just a sour puss face and just
threw a fit. Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I did not throw them.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
How many of my toys have you knocked down? Today? Five? Five? Okay?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Five more to go?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, going back to our clip show episode part two,
Derek Tyler Attiko, author the Autobiography of Benjamin Cisco Deep
Space nine, one of my favorite Star treks.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Think one of the best episodes we ever did.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, why do you think that?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He was so engaging And I just think we were
both inspired by it and the whole thing just I
felt worked together really well. I really enjoyed that episode
so much.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Me too. And this was back when we were just
doing audio podcast. But we do have some zoom recordings,
so that's why we'll share a little bit from Derek
right now. Some criticism of the show the finale was
that he abandoned his his newborn child, his son, his life,
which wasn't good for you know, at the time, there
was a lot of racial implications about why are we
(08:10):
showing this African American man doing this. Now the flip
side is he quote died a hero saving everybody, but
because of his alien background, he's in the temple. And
what I like about what you did is this kind
of closes that, so it's not like he just disappeared
and that's it. I mean, yes, there's been other stories
and novels and things you can read, but that element
of talking to his son and closing that and not
(08:33):
ending that finale, I think for me it was a great,
great move on your part.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Right right now, you're you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And I.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Listened or actually watched the interview with Iris Stephen Burr,
showrunner one. Of course, one of the writers were nine,
and he even he expressed that it was never the
intention to have a play on the fact that as
an African American man leaving his son. The writers of
(09:03):
the of the Space nine, their intention was that it
would be a mythological elevation.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
This captain became a God. Yeah, we are making a
captain of God.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
That was that was always the intention, and and so
I believe Ira Stephen Bearr said that Avery Brooks spoke
to him and said, well, you know, it also will
look like this thing. And so that's where they changed
the line where Cisco says, you know, I'll be back.
I don't know if yesterday or a year from now, right,
(09:44):
you know, but I will be back.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
And so.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Me, as a writer and understanding all of that and
taking all of this in, said okay, I don't you know,
I'm not actually taking him out of the wormhole, but
I can actually give the reader some insight into what
he is thinking. He being banned is thinking as soon
(10:10):
as he gets there, and the first thing he's thinking
is this message is for my son. Here I am,
I'm going to send this message to my son. Actually,
before I speak to Cassidy, how.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Did you get yourself into inside Cisco's head to write
the story? And why was it important for you to
tell Cisco's story?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Oh wow, that's that's a uh don that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Professional here, I'm a professional sci fi a low budget
I see that discuss.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Stop stop it is not good for your career, it
is not good for already.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Well, I'm gonna get into both of you guys, so
get ready, yes, said.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes, yes, my favorite guest to my favorite On top
of that, this is the study of anniversary of Space nine.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
So you know there are certain expectations, right, so you
know I'm going to meet them.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And hopefully exceed them.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
So I looked to Joseph, and Joseph opened in incredible
doors for me, because then I realized through Joseph, I
could explain a lot of things about Louisiana, about Earth.
I could I could talk about the African American experience,
I could talk about the Black experience in the twenty second,
(11:29):
twenty third, and twenty fourth centuries. And because Joseph has
a lot of things going on in the Cisco family
until up to Joseph has a certain amount of trauma
that's going on in the family, but not wanting to
leave everything. Why they don't want to leave earthing? And
and I think Ben and his father have a really
(11:49):
interesting conversation. You know, he says, I where Joseph doesn't
want him to leave everything, Benny's like, I have to
go for the same reasons you don't want me to go,
or the reasons I have to leave.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
So so Joseph opened a lot of doors war me,
and I'm very thankful to the writers of these Spaceline
but the characters that they started and they laid out,
because without that, it just gave me so much material
to just dive and delve into. To go back to
your one of your first parts of this question, what
(12:23):
does you mean to me?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Yeah, it means everything.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Thanks again for doing the show, Derek. Next up is
Todd A Marx from season one computer video playback supervisor
supervisor on Star Trek Picard.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I remember me asking a lot of boring questions.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Very boring questions back then. I help, you've done a
much better job of talking less.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We all appreciate very much. I actually found him very
interesting actually, because it's not a job a lot of
people know about, and he's been done like Ingerman too,
and like a lot of different shows, and it's a
very interesting piece of like the filmmaking production puzzle.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right, And I was very excited that he worked on
Star Trek the motion picture and I tried to talk
about it, and you both shut me down, it said,
this is not what this episode is about.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Speaking of shutting you down. Should we listen to a
little bit of Todd.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, let's go to a clip of Todd.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
My name is Todd Marks.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
I'm a computer video playback supervisor and also a projection
mapping specialist, and I've been working in the film and
television industry for about thirty years now professionally. I started
shooting videos back in the early eighties and moved to
(13:40):
LA in eighty eight to finish my schooling and then
get into to the industry, which I was able to do.
So that's a little bit about me.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Are there a lot of you out there doing Hollywood?
Speaker 6 (13:55):
There are not. There are certainly a variety of different
you know, there's probably a good handful of top tier
playback people.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
There's a lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
There's a playback men and women, playback technicians, playback engineers.
There's not a lot who kind of span all the
different things that I do, as far as there's some
that are very technical. I mix the creative aspects of
overseeing the creation of the content and mixing the newer
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technologies or the appropriate technologies for whatever the project is.
And again that's not particularly unique. There are a handful
who do that. But just I think my background and
all the different types of things that I kind of
bring in is unique.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You know, it's not like a normal nine to five jobs.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You're in the intense, you know environment, and you're doing
these like incredible things oftentimes, and you know and now
with like a star trek, you get like fan adoration
and you know, all this other positives and people you know,
really finding what you do fascinating and then dealing with
(15:20):
you know, oh, then you've got to come back to
reality and live as a normal person in you know,
in a house and changes you're you know, you kind
of it's it's been very difficult at times where you know,
you get angry and frustrated because it's like this one
place I'm treated this way and then this other place
(15:41):
I'm treated you know, at home it's like not you
don't get that home, yes exactly, and so uh, you know,
and it's a tire, you know, you're tired and don't
want to necessarily have to deal with all these other
issues at home, and so yeah, there is a definite
level of understand you know, understanding and stress that is
(16:05):
involved in this.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Are you diagnosed with adhd Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, I'm from a very very very early age.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
My mom had done her thesis paper on it, so
you know, when I was in grade school, it was
very obvious that, you know, I was, I had what
they called learning disabled is which is what used to
be called hyperactive learning disabled, you know. And then I
got to go to once a week where you could
(16:35):
you got to go to a different program at a
different school for the gifted kids. And that's actually where
I first got to They had like a little TV
studio at this school with like three cameras and a
little control room switcher thing, where I first got to
actually do that back in grade school.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I've I've had to deal with that my whole life.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's amazing seeing that you had the resources that, I mean,
because I've always been diagnosed with it in the past
few years and I'm I'm in my late forties and
even coming up in the eighties and nineties, it wasn't
really talked about that. Yeah, I mean, it was being
talked about more, but it still wasn't talked about that much.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean, I was fortunate and that my mom was,
you know, a marriage family therapist who was into the
transactional the TA for teens and dots and you know,
and we used to have encounter groups that she was
involved in in the seventies, and you.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Know, so I grew up in that kind of environment.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
My dad was an aerospace engineer at lockeed and my
mom was, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This therapist.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So they always had their little struggles as well, different personalities.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So yeah, I mean I was kind of used to
that growing up.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You've worked with a toeurs like Danny Oil and Steven
Soderberg one of my favorite favorite filmmakers. You've worked with
crafts people like Stuart Baird and Stuart and oh okay,
and me let you want to comment on that one,
and and me me letter, I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Stuart Baird, I mean, I mean his editing skills.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Well, I was just gonna say he was one of
the great great editors.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yes, yeah, not who you want to direct Star Trek.
You don't typically not a great idea to get a
first time director who hates Star Trek to direct a
Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
So yeah, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thanks again, Todd for doing the show. And up next,
Jeremy Benning. Jeremy is someone who I've known through the
Internet for a number of years. I first came to
know him as the cinematographer of the expanse have you
seen the Expanse Yes, I love that show. Oh, I've
got the Rosinante right here everyone. And he's worked on
The Boys, He's done documentaries and films and TV up
(18:58):
in Canada. And let's hear a little bit from Jeremy Benning.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
My name is Jeremy Benning. I'm a director of photography.
I live in Toronto, Ontario. I shoot a lot of
episodic television. I've got a history of doing commercials and
music videos and documentaries and it sort of led me
to working on a lot of long form projects for
various streaming platforms there. And remember too, of the first
two seasons of Expanse, I did them by myself. I
(19:23):
didn't have an alternate DP, which at the time I
didn't know any better. And I mean it was crazy
that I did that, but I did. And I after
the second season, I'm like, I can't do that anymore.
But I think Jason Brown, one of our producers, said
that from the first season to the last season, something
like they had like eighty percent crew retention.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Wow, which is a.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Very that's like several hundred people. Yeah, state, that's very
unusual for a show, an episodic TV show. And that
speaks to the story we were telling that everyone wanted
to be there, telling it that the people running it,
we're running it in a way that everyone wanted to
stay and continue work with them. It wasn't a toxic place.
It was it was a functional, collaborative, enjoyable work environment.
(20:06):
And that's why I kept going back. And it was
always like, well, what else would I be doing? There
was nothing else that came along that was better, and
you know, I did do other things in between, so
I used the time I had off because we would
have months of downtime between seasons. And the thing is,
we never knew if the show was going to be
renewed each season until the last second, So usually like
there we'd wrap, then there'd be like three four months
(20:27):
of post and whatever. The last window of time like
where the network had to tell us if we were
being renewed or not. It was always like the midnight
of the day before they would say, Okay, you're renewed,
So there'd be months in between where we all just
had to know, and then Amazon after season three. But
but with sci Fi, originally sci Fi wouldn't tell us
until like they literally their contractual final day of when
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they can tell us, which was like months after we wrapped,
so we didn't nobody knew if we were going back
to it each year.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Job in security is just for everybody, is just.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
Job and security. So I would take I would take
other things in between, and I made a conscious effort
to take things that were very not sci fi, you know.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I did.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I did the long Ward Home, I did The Boys,
I did I did other things in between the seasons
of Expanse so I could kind of just try other
things and not be just so the sci fi person,
you know, and I did. I was asked to do
Star Trek when the new Star Trek came along. I
was asked to do the first season of Star Trek
because I had just done the Expanse and they were
(21:26):
actually building We were at Pinewood.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Which went Picard or Strange New Worlds.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
No, No, Next Generation the first one, Next Generation Discovery, sorry, Discovery,
Discovery Discovery that was the first. That was the first
thing that they started, And they were actually building the
sets at Pinewood. We were at Pinewood and they were
like across the way in the same complex building the
sets for that, and so we were like seeing them
building the sets where we were actually filming the first
season of expans and they asked me if I wanted to,
(21:51):
Like I was approached by the show, and I it
was a tough decision, but I thought, well, here's a
show that I'm on that we've built ourselves from the
ground up. It's a small family we have, we're build,
we're doing something new. I have a very good relationship
with the creative team. If I go to Star Trek,
they're asking me, They're basically wanting me to go to
(22:12):
that show to take the ideas that I've got from
Expanse and and injected into Star Trek to give it
a new thing interesting. But I'd also would lose my
creative power in a sense because it's a much bigger machine.
It's a legacy show. You're dealing with a giant committee
of people, and it's also something that's been done for decades.
And I felt, I really felt that the Expanse was
something special and I should stay with it. So I,
(22:35):
you know, against the better advice of some of my
colleagues and representatives and stuff. They were like, you got
what are you crazy? Like, You've got to take this
this is like, this is the prestige show that everybody
wants to be on, and I'm like, I think I
should stay with the expanse. I think there's a lot
more healthy choices being made. I see people the drug
and alcohol thing I see less of now. I mean
(22:57):
earlier in my career, I was aware of a lot
of people who who drank heavily and would come to
work smelling like booze or hungover. Like it was a
constant culture in our in our business, and I see
a lot less of that now. I think the pandemic
taught like gave us all a reset in a good way.
I think people started to appreciate their personalize more. There's
certainly a lot more talk of people taking you know,
(23:18):
like I see it on my crew where where like
the grips and lightning and camera department, where one of
the heads of those departments say, oh, so and so
isn't coming in tomorrow because they need they need to
take some time, or they've got a thing going on,
so and and of course they come to me, is
that okay? Or one of my keys will say, hey,
I need a date to where I got to go.
I have disappointment, or I got to deal with my
(23:40):
kids thing or whatever. And of course I say, yeah,
of course, Like I never say no to that because
I know what it's like being and I don't because
I don't have that luxury as the DP, I can't
do that really very easily to say, hey, I'm going
to take the day off tomorrow. So when someone in
my one of my departments ask for that, I say,
of course, like I understand, you know, so I think
it's got.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
They asked for a good they have a good reason
if they're well tell me.
Speaker 7 (24:02):
Like this, yeah, like my kid has a thing, or
I've got to go go to this, like my dance recital, whatever,
some important thing with their kid or they have whatever.
I always say yeah, I mean, of course, I mean
I understand what it takes to be in this business
and I don't want to keep people from those kind
of things. And I think it's gotten better. There's less
there's a lot more awareness of mental health. It's more
(24:23):
openly discussed. I think even with the sort of the
more macho departments like the grips and stuff like that.
You mean, there's I can see that that those people,
and there's a lot more and there's a lot of
women in those departments now too. It's it's become a
lot more diverse, that there's more of an awareness of
your mental state. You know. It's it's it's not perfect
by any means, but certainly compared to what it was
(24:44):
twenty years ago, it's a lot better.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Thanks again, Jeremy. And up next, Trevor. Is something a
little different. We talked to Kent Sanderson, someone I know
back from my college days, who is the president of
Acquisitions and ancillary Distribution at Bleaker Street, a distribution company
for film, and they've been doing really well and they
start to branch out into science fiction more and more.
(25:08):
And let's hear what kind of had to say to us.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I am Ken Sanderson.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
I am the president of Acquisitions and ancillary Distribution at
the indie film studio Bleaker Street. My job encompasses overseeing
all of our productions as well as any films required finished,
and I also oversee all revenue streams outside of the
initial theatrical release, So that includes streaming, VOD, exciting things
(25:38):
like airlines and army bases, sort of everything in that
in that universe. You know, it's it's because when you
I'm usually less worried. Actually, I'll see this. I have
two moments where I'm the most stressed. One is when
I see a director's cut of a movie for the
first time, you know, where I'm just like, I, man,
(26:00):
I dragged the whole company into this movie. I hope
it's good or I hope it's not doesn't cause problems.
And usually when I get a buy halfway through a cut,
I'll sort of know that the dread will either increase
or dissipate depending on what I'm seeing. So, like I was,
I watched the director's kind of a film two days ago,
and and I was like, I just I had this
(26:21):
sort of just sinking feeling all morning along and I realized, like,
oh yeah, it's because I have to go to the
screening rod and watch the movie. Fortunately, I was very
happy with the cut. But it's that is that's always
the toughest And then the other toughest part is honestly
when the film was released and you start to see
the numbers coming in, if it's if it's going to
work or not.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You know, we.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Definitely had some successes of this year, and we had
some movies which which which really underperformed and those are tough,
especially as an independent company, and you know, the bigger
the bet you make, both in terms of the budget
of the movie and in your marketing spend, the bigger
the stakes are. And it's it can be pretty scary
when something doesn't really connect, like you know this year,
(27:02):
you know the film we did with Tony Kollette, Mafia Mama.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, I wanted to bring that one up. I'm actually
still looking forward to seeing that I write or Die
for Tony Kollette. I was curious how that was for
you guys.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
It was one of these things where the movie came
out to be kind of exactly what we signed up for.
It's funny, she's fantastic in it. Everyone had a great
time making it, and we just and we committed more
on that for marketing. Then we basically had any other
movie we've done in years and believed it could cross
over into the mainstream. And I think we just got
(27:37):
blindsided by the reviews. We knew that not everyone's going
to be a fan. It's a very silly movie on purpose,
and the reviewers really just went out from blood on it.
I think that really hurt the performance of the films
that was that was our big disappointment this year, even
though I loved working with Tony and Catherine Hardwick and
the producers, It's just sometimes you get sometimes you just
(27:58):
get surprised our things, and that was not a good surprise.
One of the things that I learned early in my career,
which was literally the way the General Electric which owned
NBC Universal at the time, considered movies to be profitable,
and their metric was the green light model. At the
base case of box office and vod all that stuff,
you have to earn basically fifteen percent on your on
(28:20):
your investment. Not a huge return, but remember movies are expensive,
so fifteen percent is okay. Sort of like when Westerns
fell out of favor, something else had to replace them
as sort of the go to form of entertainment. I'm
curious what comes after superhero movies, but I'm not as
concerned about the future of the mid level, you know,
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indie style movie because I think the one thing I've
learned over the last couple of years is if you
get into something that you believe in with a filmmaker,
you believe in and you believe if there is a
core audience, even if it's just one core audience that's
going to show up to the movie or rented on
vod Then there's a there's a real there's a sustainable
business model there.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Thanks Ken for doing the show. We really appreciate it.
And finally, finally we have Brian Tam a personal friend
of mine, but.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm not one just for the record, but because I
hate you.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
He runs the Independent Film Festival Boston, which has two
festivals a year, one in the spring and one in
the fall. And we talked to him about science fiction
in the indie world, and mostly Don and Brian talked
about how Dune nineteen eighty four is a great movie
(29:36):
and I just wanted to cut my own head off
the entire time.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
That's a little dramatic, sir, It was true. Why why
don't you like it?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
What is their problem? In ten words or less?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You can feel you can feel.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
He's counting with his fingers. It's just in case you're
listening and out a product.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It's going to go over ten. You can tell it
was a production.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You're talking to your microphone, sir Lynch. There's the microphones
right here.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
You can tell that Lynch lost control of the production.
You can feel it you can feel the entire film
from the beginning slipping away from him right away. And
when it opens up with that expository scene with what's
her name looking into the camera and what's her name? Say?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
At least the year ten, the new universe is ruled
by the Padish the fourth my father. That that opening, yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
And then doesn't if I remember correctly, because the last
time I saw it was with you in the theater
and I just wanted to die. Is it doesn't? The
last twenty minutes just run through like ten books.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, have you read the books?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I will lend you my copies.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
No, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
We'll have a podcast of just you trying to read
the first page.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
That's funny. Yeah, sure, I just I find it to
be very messy, and I don't think it will No.
It it looks it has a creative look to it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, it's a clip show. Should we get
to our clip?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Sure you?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Bonna, thank you, Brian, Thank you, Brian. Let's hear from Brian.
Speaker 9 (31:20):
I'm Brian tam I'm the executive director of the Independent
Film Festival Boston.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Both Dawn and Brian think that Dune nineteen eighty four
is absolutely brilliant. And when they met that night at
the Bridle Theater, that was their first time that they met.
About halfway through the film, I looked over and they
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were holding hands and they were wipe.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I was gonna say, we have a love you'll never understand, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They were wiping each other's tears, their tears of joy
off each other's faces, and uh. And I sat there
and I was like, this isn't sufferable, this is ridiculus.
The point of this is that Done two is now
out and I loved it, and I believe Brian, you
loved Denny Villanov's Dune Part two.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yes, absolutely, yes, Yeah, so I guess.
Speaker 9 (32:16):
Look, I get that people don't like Dune. I get
it like I get it. I get that it's not
I get that it's flawed. I get that for someone
who hasn't read the books, it's completely incomprehensible. I totally
understand that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But Trevor hasn't read the books.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I have not, so he's no context.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
I do feel because I've had this experience, like watching
it at the Brattle, where people I know came up
to me and they're like, okay, like I don't know
what the hell happened, and like what is this and
what is this one? Like I totally get that, but
I also feel that it does capture. I mean, keep
in mind, Herbert was on set while this was being made,
and Herbert when he saw I think he probably saw
(32:52):
like an early rough cut, like maybe like five the
five hour cut, and he loved it. And I think
he even understood that, you know, like look you can
a book is a book and a movie is a movie,
and they kind of are doing two different things.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
The way I see it is the new one. He
wanted to focus on the beny Chesterate and sort of
one pillar of the society from the book series. But
what I think made the book very interesting is it
wasn't just the benny Chester. It it was the beny Chester,
it was the Mentats, It was the balance between the
Emperor and the different houses, but also the Chom Like
(33:25):
there was this Chom company contract right that they have
in the eighty four one, Like it was about the
lands rat and how you know, the Emperor was worried
that the Treatees was being so becoming popular amongst the
other great houses, that he was a threat, not that
he led with love or whatever. Christopher Walkin said that
I needed to cut out of that new film. But
(33:46):
the Guild, the Guild was right right, exactly good.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Yeah, you get a sense of he's the emperor, but
he's still beholden to other people. And I think what's
what I love so much about Herbert's book is it's
so interested in politics. And I mean to the point
that in the book the Baron is a spoiler. The
Baron is killed basically off screen, like he doesn't care
about the specifics. The Baron is dead. Now what does
that mean for the politics? That's the thing that intrigues him.
(34:10):
So I think both of these filmmakers, both vill Neuve
and Lynch, have to take the story and be like, okay,
like this is a book of ideas, how do we
make this kind of into a movie that's got images
in it? And I feel like what Lynch tried to
do is focus on, like, Okay, where are the action
parts in it that we can make kind of a
traditional science fiction and then we'll kind of pump it
(34:31):
full of voiceovers to kind of maybe explain things through.
And I think what vill Neuve did it, said, well,
let's just talk like, let's make this more character based,
and we're going to write dialogue that isn't in the
book but gives you a sense of who these people
are without having to have a big exposition dup or
without having to have a voiceover. And I think they
both come at it differently, and I think they're both
successful in their owe.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, they absolutely are. I just wish the Guild was
involved because I feel like that was such such a
just so missing in this so missing. It would make
the world so much richer and give it so much
more scope versus just like the Emperor lives in a
house in some random planet. He's I don't know, it
just it felt a little shallow on that front.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Thank you Brian for being on the Thank you, Brian, yep,
thank you. And I guess that does it for this episode.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
That does it for clip show Part two. We've now
caught up with all our previous guests. What does the
future hold for you, Trevor.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
More episodes of No One's scenario. I think that's probably
all I've had on the dogget right.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Now, that's not true. You could clean my duckies and
I just like clean them. Sure, yeah, yeah, I went
you're gonna pay well you heard from past guess who've
worked with the answers? Note, but are you looking forward
to more episodes? Now? What's what's your preference? Do you
like the news desk? Do you like your old set?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I don't like to be I don't like either of them.
I like I like to I like the zoom.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
You like the zoom? Why is that.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because I I don't have to wake up early and
come here?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Wake up early? His call time was eleven am?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, but I woke up very early to get ready
for that?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Was it the anxiety?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Would you like to talk about it with our guests?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Views, I would not like to talk about my anxiety
disorder with our guests.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
You know, I think this episode is really about interviewing
Trevor here. So Trevor, why don't you tell us what's
wrong with you? Let me rephrase that, how dare you?
And what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
We don't have eight hours to eight hours?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah? I think I could diagnose you as a non
professional in moments.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Oh that's so bad.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
That's bad?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Should we cut that out?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
No, we're staying. I'm still going back a couple episodes
where you were trying to embarrass me with some made
up falsehoods, and now I'm just taking out my revenge.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's fine, Is that okay?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah? Do you have anything to say to the audience,
Keep stil.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
We're going to be back soon.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Keep sending mail, no scenario podcasts at gmail dot.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Com, keep listening, will keep fighting and disagreeing with each other.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
In the meantime, they can also watch, because you know
this is being video report. They got that.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Watch now, watch and listen yay, and uh we hope
you all come back and all three of you and
more than three, well we see you will we see
you very much, and uh we'll miss you.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Well.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Season three here we come.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Would you like to maybe thank the crew who's working
here on a Monday to make you look good?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Thank you. I'm too embarrassed to too embarrassed, too embarrassed
to say anything to them because I feel so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Thank you, Andrew, John Ian Morgan Casey, everyone at Charles
River Media. Thank you everything we plugged Charles River Media
Media one more time, one more thank you everybody at
Charles River Media.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Don't forget so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I genuinely merge coming soon, no whin scenario merge.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, whatever words that are misspelled on them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
How's that smell? I haven't watched that since the last
time I wore it sitting in my office. You've got
don odor all around you right now, you can take
that home.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I genuinely feel bad for everybody on your crew. This
is so unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
What do you think about this little camera here that's
going back and forth? Here comes with the globe. Take
a look, globe number one. Look at this artistic touch.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I'm gonna ask our camera operator who is just suffering
over there.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
He really wants to go to lone.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
How long? How long ian did it take to set
all this up this morning?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Two hours?
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Eight thirty I had to unload and that's set up.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So it took two and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Two and a half hours to set up. Yeah, and
now they're just breaking down. They're just walking in the studio.
We're not done here yet. Are we still rolling? Because
we're trying to stop here they're getting burritos. We're still rolling. John,
that's up. Literally had our sound guy walking the door
from the control room door burrito.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
That is the respect that we need. To end here,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Time to go. It's burrito o'clock. Yeah all right, So
from all of us and none of us, yep, thanks
for watching.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Thank you, season three.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I get the last word, okay, boom boom.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
In today's world, mental health is everyone's concern. If you
are someone you know is in crisis, please use these resources.
For US listeners, call one eight hundred nine five zero
six two sixty four, or text helpline all one word
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