Noise Junkies - Influences - Noise Junkies

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Ingway Media, Hello everybody, andwelcome to the inaugural episode of Noise Juckies,

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and we, in fact are yourNoise Chuckies. I'm Heather Drane.
I am a writer, I've beenon a number of podcasts, and I
am of course super into music.As you may have gathered, and joining
me are my brothers, my comradesand arms. Here we have mister Father
alone. Hey everybody. Yeah,I mostly do podcasts, so h there's

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that. And then I drive acar and I listen to music. I
love music. It's a passion ofmine. I'm happy to be here.
Thank you. He's also has anamazing YouTube channel and I highly recommend everybody
check out his work and my othercomrade, the Wonderful, the Effusive,

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the Luminescence HP sir. Thank youhere. What an intro. Thank you
so much, Heather. It's greatto be here when I'm not, but
I'm not I'm not nine to fiveNicol and Diamond. I do podcasting as
well, a lot of them withour esteemed colleague Father Alone. You can

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hear us on the band a Checkpodcast on night, mister Walters Taxi podcast,
and I do culture cast and allkinds of casting and just happy to
be here. Fly casting, that'sright, I'm not exactly fly casting and
shadow casting too. I do thata lot, oh yeah, like,
but but not Rocky Harror like someother sort of random flick Harold and Maud

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shadow cast, right, that's muchbetter. Than twelve angry men. Absolutely,
Actually, twelve angry men is great. You just sit there like in
front of the screen for two hours. Well, um, there will be
no twelve angry men tonight on thisepisode of Noise Junkies, but we are

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going to that this episode. Sinceit is our first one, we decided
we wanted to kind of make itsort of get to know us a little
bit. Um. All three ofus love. We are music has It's
funny because I know at least wellyeah, even with HP, like you,
you and Father Malone do the Banachekpodcasts. The three of us have
been on culture casts together, likeI think, I think it saves to

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save that three of us probably insome ways tend to get associated more with
like say film and TV um certainly, and yeah, Father Malone's only hosted
and edited like eight eleven d likepodcasts over the years, so all television
too. It's weird. It's noteven my favorite medium. I think all

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of us are late. Well,we love music and in fact, you
know, the amazing theme song youhear is courtesy of HP. Thank you
a resident genius. I think insome ways, I mean, obviously,
like you said, we are allbig you know, cinephiles. But I
think in some ways music is kindof our first love in a way because

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I feel like we you know,but before you really understand what film is
and really develop a flavor for that, you're listening to music. You're hearing
it in your car when your folkusare driving you around. We grew up
with MTV, so this is umvery much near and dear to our hearts,
I think, and it's it's goingto be special, something different from
the usual film and TV podcasting thatwe do. Absolutely and I know like

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for me, music and I guessthis is where we can kind of go
into our journey. Like music hasalways been one of the biggest forces in
my life. Um, whether I'mwriting, I always have music going.
I music is something that has justgotten me through I mean film and certainly
writing and reading too, but musicis the life's blood. Um And in

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fact, like my I don't evenI was too little to remember this,
but my mother actually has stories aboutme being in the high chair and as
a baby and singing to like Lauraby Brandigan's Gloria and pronouncing it grahawk because
I'm a baby indiction. I couldn'thelp it supposed to be nuanced. Yeah,
and I and rapture like Blondie's Rapture. I'd like try to wrap along

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to the like I Some of myearliest memories are either you know, with
a book in my lap or goingthrough my mother's like LP collection and uh,
just she had a forty five ofa Van Halen's Panama and that that
shit got me spinning, like Ididn't know how to dance, and I
really still don't know how to dance, but I would just like run in

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a circle, like in a MadFarrety circle, just so excited. Like
music just to this day it's stilljust like gets me going. And you
know, I think, you know, the great thing is all kinds of
music can take you on such ajourney that's within an outside of yourself at
the same time, and it's justsuch a special thing. But I mean,

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what is what has it been foryou guys? So yeah, I
had very similar kind of formative experiences. I sort of alluded to the fact,
you know, a lot of myearly memories are just kind of being
driven around by my mom here andthere. My dad was away a lot
for work, so she was reallykind of like the primary like chauffeur.

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When you're a kid, you needto be taken to the mall or to
whatever you know store, and youknow, she always had music on and
it wasn't it obviously wasn't a consciouschoice for her to program certain musical styles
or genres, but that's kind ofI would say. You know, initially
she was listening to a lot ofthe adult contemporary stations of the day,

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so I heard a lot of stuffthat like Steely Dan. I remember earliest
memory hearing like Donald Fagan. Ithink he had his first solo album,
the Night Fly, which was likethe album for me. It was kind
of like the first album that Ireally kind of gravitated towards, the first
album that I ever bought. Iremember. I remember I got on cassette.

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I got Hollow Oates Private Eyes,which was really big on MTV at
that time. And I remember myoldest brother, I have two older brothers,
and he had one of the firstwalkman, remember the little silver Walkman,
And it was the first time Iremember putting the headphones on, those
little orange headphones and hearing music instereo was a big deal to me because

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everything up to that point was allmy know. TVs then didn't have they
weren't in stereo, they didn't broadcastin stereo. So I remember hearing like
all these little, you know,bits and pieces and instrumentation all over the
stereo spectrum and it it really itkind of freaked me out as a kid.
I didn't know you could do stufflike that, or it could really
you know, it sounded like theband was in the room with me kind

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of in a weird way, andI never heard music the same way again.
It really excited me. So,you know, a lot of like
I said, adult contemporary, butthen as I got older, got into
things like the usual suburban sort ofrock of the day. I think David
Lee, Roth Era Van Halen.You mentioned Panama. I remember nineteen eight

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Before was a huge album when Iwas in grade school. That was like
the thing I remember like Billy Squire. I remember going to a friend's house
and his older brothers in this dimlylit basement like something out of a movie,
and I walked down there and theStroke was playing and it out like,
wow, this is really heavy,Like you know, I I this

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is this is very very mysterious andkind of cool, but a little.
It felt dangerous, silly because ifyou think of like Billy Squire, he's
not especially tough dude. But itjust felt very heavy and the album was
badass, like everyone remembers the pinkshirt dancing around. But that was a
great album and it rocked hard.I'm sorry. In the Dark, Yeah,

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in the Dark is amazing. Inthe Dark is the best led Zeppelin
song that Zeppelin never did. Ilike it better than Zeppelin. That's that
it because he had I don't Hisdrummer was basically like Bonham, like Reborn.
It's amazing. It's it's called Don'tSay No. I believe it's the
name of that album. And it'sanyway, all of these things, like

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the mystery of music was really impressedupon me at an early age, and
it just felt like there was thisendless possibilities and and you know could take
you, like you said, ona journey and really make you, you
know, move you in certain way. It could make you happy, It
could make you said, could makeyou meg and make you feel like you
wanted to like just go crazy anddo something nutty. So yeah, and

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that's like I said. Music eversince then has been a real big part
of I've always gotten music on.Whether I'm working in my office or just
in the car, I've always gotto happen music on. The kids will
tell you, well, how aboutyou, father Malone, what about your
formative musical experiences? You know what'sfunny, We're doing this podcast separate ourselves
from the myriad music, television andmovie podcast. But thinking back to my

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experiences with music as far back asI can literally remember, most of my
musical experiences were very much tied tomovies and television shows, just from from
a very young age. And notthe first album I purchased myself, but
the first album I remember asking formy family were we were at a flea

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market, the Revere Drive in fleamarket, and it was it must have
been around like nineteen eight eighty one, so it was probably seven or something,
and there was two vendors facing eachother, one who was selling records
and one who was selling toys.And the one who was selling toys was
selling this like submersible craft with awith like an action man who would go

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in it like a skin diver,and it had claw like a giant claw,
and an octopus or rubber octopus thatcame with it, and across the
way the other vendor had an LPof the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack, and
I insisted on having the Empire StrikesBack soundtrack, and to the chagrin of
my mother, she could not fathompun intended that I did not want submersible.

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She was like, I would takethis, I would take the summer,
and she said, like, wehad a swimming pool and everything,
so it would have been the perfecttoy for summer. But all summer long,
I thought about that scuba diver andI thought, I'm so much happier
here in my darkened room listening tothis record album. Most of my journey
with music tends to come from movies. In fact, like my favorite bands
in the world, I probably heardfor the first time in a film.

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My favorite band then now forever,We'll always be the Cramps, and I
first heard them in the Return ofLiving Dad, Surf and Dead, and
then almost immediately on top of that, Googu Muck, which is now currently
a big thing, but that appearedin Texas Chainsaw Massacre too, and like
after that sort of one two punch, I ran out and bought everything I

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could of them. But now backto sort of the formation of that.
Like my love of that particular band, I think comes from the fact that
my mother had a very good recordcollection, mostly Beatles and show tunes and
stuff. My father's was forty fives, mainly sort of Elvis and Carl Perkins
and a whole lot of rockabilly andput those two together and you get the

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Cramps. So I mean, that'sthe music sort of interested me the most,
and those are my sort of experiencesgrowing up with them. And plus
like mute my movie taste. Likeyou know, I had an irresponsible group
of older cousins who dragged me toall the movies that I shouldn't have seen.
But in my neighborhood, the neighborhood, you know, there was like

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fifteen twenty kids it seemed, andthey were all teenagers and I was a
tiny kid. And all of thecool kids that I hung out with,
we're listening to a CDC and theywere listening to Aerosmith and although the early
sort of heavy metal bands. Sothere's that part of me. I don't
know, guys, I love music, no, and I think it's important.

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I'm sorry. One thing I didwant to kind of call out that
I think is great about this show, and just what I know about working
with you guys is that this isvery much a judgment free zone because I
know, as far as I'm concerned, you know a lot of what I
love musically, I would not classifyit as cool or edgy or you know,

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of the day. But that's youcan't you know music. You love
the music you love, regardless ofthe reason. You don't necessarily or maybe
I don't think you should love musiconly because it's cool and you you're you're
concerned with what people think about yourmusical tastes. You love what you love.
I mean in in the in thedark of your car driving home at

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night, I don't care if you'relistening to like a Frank Sinatra album or
The Carpenters. It doesn't matter ifit moves you. If it's important to
you and it makes you feel something, then I think it doesn't matter what
you're listening to as long as youas long as you love it, are
you implaying The Carpenters aren't cool?No, I'm just saying some people may

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not consider them cool or like,Well, we'll get to those people.
We get time for those people.We're gonna before unceremoniously cut you off.
First of all, HP, didyou mean to say in the dark of
your car in the dark like thatis a great callback. I wish I
could stand is smart enough to makethat call back. But no, But
that's a Father Malone's point. It'sa it's a fucking great album. But

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like I said, I don't care. You could listen to fucking Eaty Gourmet.
I don't care. If you loveit, you love it, I
love it Gourmet. Uh. Thatwas the huge appeal too, because I
think all of us are truly musicalomnivores, which is exciting, and I
think each one of us have likethere's some each one of us have strong
points and some of a match.Like Father Malone talk about The Cramps,

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I consider The Cramps one of thebands that kind of I say this a
little dramatic, but I discover themas a teenager and the kind of saved
my life, to be honest,like it felt like I you know,
music was one of those things thatto me is like one of those sort
of like points of light when youneed them, and especially I think growing
up where you especially you know ifyou're missed it and you don't fit in

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and you're just it's like you hatchedout weird. And when you get older
you realize it's a good thing.But you know, when you're still like
a little forming person and you know, maybe aren't growing up in the most
enlightened area that's existing is not easy. But discovering things like the Cramps,
I feel like I found a partof my DNA. I feel like I

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found like, oh, this istribe, Like this isn't just me.
And what I love hearing about withyou guys is the music that kind of
like you know, attracted you asas kids, especially because it's almost it's
such a you know, such aprimal thing when you're that young, because
you're too young to really have anyairs of like, oh this is what

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I listened to. It's just instinctive. It's just raw instinct and and I
love that. And I you know, and for me, like, I'm
so lucky because my mother, likeand my mother's still a huge music I
mean I literally will make her playlistson Spotify and send them to her that
are just for her, Like Imake her little mixtapes. But she's always

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listened all kinds of music. Nowsome of it I didn't care for.
The woman played a lot of toetoe. I love that. I say
it like that Toto, Toto,y'all say it like that way forever now,
Tote. I'm not talking about thatdog. I'm referring to the band
at Toto like Firefault. But thething I love my mom is she also
played a lot of ac DC.You know, she had listened to old

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gospel music and bluegrass and you know, and then like I had my grandparents
who listened to like old country,and I you know, at an early
age, I loved Hank Senior.And yeah, I loved Hank Senior.
And then I remember, like I'vealways had insomnia, and when we got
cable, I would just wander up, couldn't sleep by go in the living

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room and be like, oh,what's on? And I remember hearing the
B fifty twos like for the firsttime, and it was actually the Channel
Z, so this is actually whatthey'll come back? Like. I never
got to hear any of the untilwhen I got into them then. And
the only place to buy music whereI grew up, which was Springdale,
was Walmart. So but they hadhey, they had but they had discount

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tapes and they had the first twoP fifty twos albums and I immediately gobbled
this up, played them incessantly,and you know, and I remember like
seeing Susie the Banshee spell Um Iwas Peekaboo on MTV, and it was
almost that same thing with Panama,where I just felt like this like surge
of like, oh my god,this is the greatest thing and you know,

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which is a sign that even thenI was I was a little goth
and I didn't know it that uhyeah, and just but I love the
fact that like all three of ushave these like connective and some of it's
you know, and none of iteven if somebody's like, oh, that's
cool, it wasn't cool probably forany of us at the time, and
especially when you're into different types ofmusic, because like you know, some

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you know, I knew metal headsgrowing up that if they if you were
listening to Abba or whatever, yeah, they'd be like, oh, you
know if I said, for Iactually knew a guy that was supposedly into
punk rock in high school that saidI scared him because a I didn't look
punk whatever that means. Real punkrock is not codified for the record,
that's the most punk rock thing todo was just be yourself. But but

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also like I was into Devo andhe saw like the cover of the hardcore
Devo comps at at then and thenwe had another music store at this place
called Crossroads, and it's like Devoand little like black boxer short type shorts,
like shorty shorts and like fake women'sbreasts. And it sucks with him

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because he was a wheenie. Welleven I will say, it's funny you
say that, because I'm going tolead up to something here. So I'm
like, I feel pretty like luckyin a way because Father Malone and I,
you know, and and and youalso we grew up with MTV when
MTV was really music television, soit was it was kind of nice to

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just be able to, you know, turn on your TV and and just
see and and there were there wasa time when you could see just about
anything on there, including I remember, like I remember Diva. I remember
seeing the video for Whip It andas as a little I must have been
like I don't know, nine orten maybe, and it was kind of
a it was kind of a freakyvideo to see, you know, there's
a lot of weird, jerky motions. And they had another video I don't

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remember. I think it might havebeen Freedom of Choice is where where there's
a baby putting a fork in atoaster and it's that's Satisfact the cover of
Satisfaction, and they did and theydid a cover of are You Experience where
Jimmie Hendricks comes out of a coffinand plays a solo. They it was
very weird, you know, itwas kind of enlightening and eye opening and

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not a little freaky as a kidto see all of this, but I'm
grateful that it exposed me to alot of music that I would not even
not just like the stuff that waspopular, like Michael Jackson and Van Halen
and the things that were ubiquitous atthe time, but certainly, you know,
there's I would never have come acrossDevough because that wasn't the radio that

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we listened to. That wasn't onthe radio the stations we listened to,
So it was kind of nice tohave that. That's sort of, you
know, for the lack of aterm video jukebox, I know that was
the original intent of MTV, butit was kind of I feel a little
privileged to be able to be exposedto that, because now it's everything is
so much on demand. Like backthen you had like they had premieres and

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you had to wait, you know, for the premiere of whatever video was
going to happen. If you missedit, you may maybe you recorded on
on a VHS or something. Butnow you can just dial up you know,
Spotify or go to YouTube and everythingis just there and there's no working
for it. You know. It'skind of part of like I think being
a fan, part of the agonyand ecstasy is seeking out these things that

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you love. But it's so easynow, right you don't have to go
to a special store or in Bostondown a flight of steps like this,
you know, and he's talking abouta stark called Stairway to Heaven, which
is yeah, or which which iscomics. But like, you know,
you really had to work for yourfandom to a to a degree if you

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really, like you said, wewere musical omnivores. And like when I
when I get into something, FatherMalone will tell you if I dive in
with both feet and I have tolike like when I got into Bowie,
I had to get everything that Bowieever did all at once and dive into
his catalog, and now it's soeasy to do that and sometimes not to

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get sidetracked. But sometimes I wonderif that if something, a little something
is lost in the fact that youdon't have to work for your fandom as
much. You know, it's notas as it doesn't feel as urgent as
it did back then. We can'twe can't say, like those whatever kids
are finding their their way here,struggling in their own way, Like I'm
not going to be the old mantelling them to get off my lawn just

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because I had to fucking seek outbut buying to get my hands on just
like a cramp sticker, you know, but you would have to make a
pilgrimage to some sort of record startto like make that happen. But I
do think that music people are goingto search things out so sort of anyway.
I mean, it's a boom thatit's all so readily available these days,

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you know, certainly for us.Well you said earlier something that I
find very very true, which isas much as you can sort of trace
your influences and you can, youknow, I like this band because my
dad liked it, or I likethis band because my sister or whomever.
Like, at a certain point,the music just chooses you, and I

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think that's the wonderful thing about it. Speaking to what you said, Harris,
like thank god for him TV,because the local radio stations weren't playing
Devo. I mean, you know, occasionally like WFNX maybe or something,
but like it wasn't like in thezeitgeist necessarily not yet, Like you know,

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I was so enamored of Wall ofVoodoo, a new wave country band
like like and that doesn't really maketoo much sense in my head, like,
but I loved them, and thankGod, like we had access to
it, and one of those oneof those moments where it seems that the
music is grabbing hold of you andnot the other way around, like you're

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not sneaking up on it. Thefirst album I ever bought was in nineteen
eighty three with my allowance, andI had a hard time differentiating which one
it was because I bought two albumsthat year. One was Pyromania by def
Leppard, but the album I boughtproceeding that was Synchronicity by the Police.

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And that's one hundred percent because ofMTV. Because those videos were endless,
endlessly rotated, and it wasn't EveryBreath You Take was the big single from
from that album, but Wrapped AroundYour Finger video and the song itself was
just so unlike anything that was goingon in rock and roll in popular music,
Like it sounded so exotic that albumgetting that home, and like reading

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the lyrics, it absolutely ruined mefor most pop music. It was so
like it was an album that notonly was the music so good, but
the lyrics. I had to keepscurrying to a dictionary to figure out what
the hell the songs were about,you know, like no, that that's
fantasy. And it brings up agood point about MTV, particularly that video

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for Wrapped Around Your Finger, thatwas so By then, I think they
ceased to be the videos ceased tobe just quickie little promo clips that you
know, record companies would make sothat you know, they could they could
have product in countries where the artistswasn't touring. Eventually it became like a
like a really artfully you know,creative domain. Right. So that video,

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I remember, I was sort ofvery hypnotic because I think the whole
video was shot kind of undercranked sothat they and and for the longest time
I didn't know how they did it, but it's basically them running around with
all these candles and I remember StuartCopeland is even playing his drums and it
looks like it's in slow motion,but it's not because they've done playback fast

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and then played it back and itcomes through much slower. And that was
that, that wonderful confluence of likeimage, style and music. And I
think a few people did it aswell as the Police did because they were
like, look, I love theTubes, right, We've we've talked informally
about the Tubes, and they hadtheir share videos, but they were not

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exactly like the most beautiful bunch ofguys playing music, right, So look
fee Way Bille for all of feeWaybille, for all of his you know
he's not there now, you know. The Police these were good looking guys
and they were you know, theytransitioned very well into that sort of MTV

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sort of video era. Not everyartist did, not to say that the
Tubes didn't have their own Sheriff's successor other bands that maybe weren't as as
good looking as the Police, butthe Bleacha they were called at the time,
those those police boys. But youknow they they they did it well
and they hired great directors and likethe videos were all very The video for

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Synchronicity was interesting to watch, uh, you know, every breath you take
for as you know, as itwas everywhere. But it was a cool
sort of dark black and white videoand it really it worked hand in hand
with the music, which I thinkwas was kind of exciting for viewers of
a certain age like myself, kindof getting you more into the music.

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Almost it enhanced the music and didn'tlike for all of the fears people had
that it was going to replace radioor audio music or just listening to music,
it didn't. But for me itenhanced the experience. Yeah, there
was a moment right where we allgot to both are both are breaking my
heart here and then Harris has toship on my tube stupe, I'm not

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look I love I Love the Tubes. Bill Sputton Expooner their guitarists, also
a songwriter, also good friend ofDon Vanvleetka Captain b part It's one handsome
man, I hope you know,and I would tap that over any member
of the police. They can't holdthe candle, the sting, they can't

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hold the candle to Gordon Sumner,copl is awesome. But has any of
them dropped Trout in a music video? No? You know who has bewa
But to be fair, he wasdropping Trout everywhere. Yeah, but I
mean we're talking for light, We'retalking full on a little fee. Did
we get that on MTV? Imissed that. No, no, that

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was going on the TV. Butum, but no, speaking to an
earlier point, um, And thereare two points I gotta hit here because
you guys like this is so exciting, um and definitely so much good food
for thought. But as far aslike creating kind of making one like a
little hunter and a little researcher.Um, and it certainly did. No,

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I mean music videos, I mean, and it's it's a passion I
have to this day as far aslate now. You know, I've written
articles about you know, key piecesof music videos of sort of like studying
music video history. I'm very casuallyworking on a book about it. Um.
And yeah, but and then alldays back to being a child,

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because that was I mean, especiallygrowing up in a small town in Arkansas.
Um. You know, I definitelyyou know there's a lot of bands
I didn't have. I didn't ownany wall of voodoo like physical media until
I was pretty much in my twenties, Like it was not easy to find.
And but that video, I mean, like what you said, father
him alone, Like I remember seeingthe Mexican radio video and that just gripped

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me and stayed with me. Andit's still to stay one of my favorites
and end up being very fratuitous becausethe director of that music video is Stephen
Sadian, who for me on myfilm end. You know, in the
main book I've been working on isSteven's art, and Stephen's this film director
who made Cafe Flesh and Doctor Calgary. But like so many great film directors,

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cut his teeth. One of thethings he cut his teeth on was
music video. And you know,and as far as like the hunt goes,
the high end part of me does, like I remember the excitement of
finding finally finding something you were lookingfor. But I also remember that feeling
of like, oh God, LikeI remember I had taped I would tape
music videos because yeah, and Iwas always like, oh God, this

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may be the only time I everget to see this, like ever,
and when my parents got direct TVhad much Music, which is a Canadian
MTV which much music is much It'seasy to have nostalgia from TV. Much
music was way better, like waybetter. They I saw music videos on
the air in the nineties that Ihad never seen by Aggy Pop, by
Kate Bush, by the band Japanand you know, and so many others,

(31:18):
and a number of great Canadian actslike Strange Advance, who are really
like cannot be categorized, such agreat band, you know, Rough Trade,
the Oh God Spoons, which youknow, their music videos are amazing,
and if that. Canada has theirown sort of great music video directors
with Robert Courtley. But but Ihad a tape that had all this cool

(31:41):
shit on it and it got eatenby a cheap ass Korean day mouvco.
I remember the brand of this daybecause it was like I felt like Michael
and the Godfather too. I waslike, Fredo, you broke my heart.
This was before YouTube, this isbefore the Internet, Like this is
like shit, I'll never get tosee a music video with the Ban Japan

(32:02):
in it again. Um and soyeah. But at the same time,
because of going through that, Ilove the fact that we have YouTube.
I have seen so many music videosI never thought a million years I would
ever have access to, including anumber ones that were banned, like because
of the Internet. I got tosee the original video for self Sell Sex

(32:22):
Dwarf, which was definitely not playedon NTV, it was banned in the
UK. Um. The quality isnot the best. I mean, it's
literally like trying to find an oldblueleg of Cannibal Hall Across or something like.
But that's the the music videos havethe power and in which to the
other point, UM and uh andHP, I hope it's okay if I
disagree a little bit, I'm sureit is. But him now, I

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actually think that the format was actuallyat its most wildest and wiliest, and
it's lardiest, and it's in itsearlier days. In fact, I would
say in some ways maybe you wouldpre of TV because the people like once
you got out of the scope atoneslike music video jukebox era of like the
fifties and sixties, and some ofthose are really great too, though,
and you had people like rayed Ina Steckler working in those who made incredibly

(33:13):
strange creatures who stopped living and becamemixed up zombies. But um, and
there's some great ones for Screaming Lordsuch but um. But you'd have artists
like actually, I mean in someways, I think you could say two
hundred motels like the Seeds of Whatmusic Videos with Frank Zampa because that movie
was shot entirely on video and hecontrolled it from like a little fan.

(33:35):
But then you have like Captain Beefheart'slike already promo for like my Decal's off
Baby. It's basically like a tinymusic video and it was banned. Um
yeah, people like the Residents anda turned they brought on. Yeah,
I had Oh god, I lovehad so much Hard Days Night. It's
a pretty good music video. Yeah, I mean yeah, movies yet too,

(33:55):
with like Devo Mike Nesmith, wewould not. Mike Nesmith is such
a big dog and music video history, um oh sure. And then he
was the father of the music video. Yeah, and also a little Little
Trivia, a director that worked withboth the Police and I believe he directed
Synchronicity two, which is my personalfavorite Police song. Such a great in

(34:21):
the same way that worked with theTubes. Russell Bacay, by the way,
that is also my favorite Police songSynchronicity, too fucking moody and so
good. It's it's genius. Likeit's the absolute like flip side of every
sort of suburban idyllic myth we hadbeen fed, you know, and incredibly

(34:45):
evocative. Like I remember, asI said, this was my first album,
I bot but like I remember beingtransfixed at the imagery in that song.
This this creature crawling out of aScottish lock and you know, who
knows what Mayham he's about to inflict, you know, and it's all,

(35:05):
you know, tied to this manwho's just a frustrated kind living in a
suburban hell. Hey, hey,hey, what a great song. Like
that's that's a pop song. That'sour top forty number, y'all. I
know, well, and that's butI do, but I do see your
point. Also the HP is thatI do think as the format grew bigger
and more awareness, we did seea lot more of it. And I

(35:28):
definitely do think you still, especiallyin the eighties, you did have kind
of that that Houseyon period where peoplehad budgets also to kind of do some
crazy thing. Okay, he's agreat example his work with Duran. Duran
I was gonna say exactly like thoseare like I remember the video for Wild
Boys. Yeah, it was truelike that to me, Like that's I

(35:49):
mean, if you listen to thatsong on its own, it's a decent
song, it's but the visuals whereyou had you know, Simon Labon on
the windmill that keeps going around andhe keeps getting dunked, and there's people
fly and these it looked like thebest scenes, like a trailer from a
movie that didn't exist, and itwas really imaginative and it really sparked something.

(36:09):
Like I not to say that themusic, like I said, on
its own wasn't great and wouldn't havebeen hugely successful, but again, those
guys hit at just the right time, just the right band, just the
right music, just the right filmmakers. Like he said, the stuff that
they did with Mokay he was wasphenomenal and it really took them to another

(36:30):
level. I guess it's my point. But but to piggyback on something you
were saying before about we were talkingabout YouTube and the ability to find these
things that for me, like thething that really kind of like my renaissance
for that was when DVDs became superprevalent, super popular, and all of
a sudden, like you could getI remember like Bowie put out his video

(36:53):
collection and it was like a revelationbecause these this was pre YouTube, so
you could see I could see thevideo that he did, I couldn't remember
it. For Underground, he didan actual video for the song from Labyrinth
that wasn't It was all like sortof like ch style and it was great,
and you could find like, youknow, a lot of these record

(37:14):
companies I think were emptying their vaultsbecause there was so much money to be
made by putting out these cheap DVDsthat people like me would go every Tuesday
when it was new released day,and I would spend all of my money
on CDs and DVDs, collections ofvideos, things like they would put out
like the Rock and Roll Circus bythe Rolling Stones, which was this like

(37:34):
you know, like this thing thatit never it was in the vault,
it had never seen the light ofday, and I was like, I
gotta see this. You know,Lennon's in it. Uh, you know,
it just looked you know. Itwas so mythic and the rise of
DVDs for me, more so thanwhen vhs became popular, like DVDs.
It was you could fit so muchon that small format and you could have

(37:55):
these collections of material that was like, you know, you could have like
fifty videos on one DVD and itwas great. And I spent way too
much money on this stuff because nowit's you could just stream it. You
can find it anywhere on YouTube fornothing. But for again not to overuse
the word, but for musical omnivoreslike us, it was just another way

(38:16):
for me to collect, collect,collect and get the stuff that I had
heard about and wanted and maybe hadin different video formats over the years.
But DVD was like, oh,this looks so good, you know,
like or video collections like I rememberthey put out a collection of Michelle Gondry's
music videos and they were they're justthey're brilliant. I mean the stuff that

(38:37):
he does I think is still notreally equal. We're getting a little off
topic, but all MTV episode here, well, but it was such a
I think it's important to this andI didn't think of it until we got
on this this started to do thisepisode. But it's clear how important it
was, you know, in buildingour because it's you know, we've all

(38:59):
talked about out hearing music as smallchildren in the car and the high chair
and what have you. But Ithink the real, like, you know,
the meat of getting into music andreally understanding it as an art form
for me and I think for allof us, really a lot of that
work was done watching MTV as children, was it not. Yeah, I

(39:20):
mean that's I think that's definitely morethan fair. I mean, in case
in point, I mean it alsosort of worked in terms of almost like
sort of micro movies where you knowwhat, you'll see certain movies as a
kid, and it'll be moments thattraumatize you. And there's certain like I
don't know if you guys were themusic video and this is definitely off topic,
but I think it's pertinent because thisis my trauma and I'm sharing it

(39:43):
with everybody. Billy Ocean's lover Boy, which is like say, and like
the like a jankety version of theStar Wars Cantina, but there's like this
but like the weird hero monster haslike a tongue that keeps going it now
yeah, oh, and then likethe girl looks like a golfling with boobs
and I don't want to say booslike that, like bops by Toto and

(40:08):
and and he's a little like handsomewith her. It was a lot for
little me. It's a lot forme now. But I think also like
it definitely kind of tied into mymovie brain too, and kind of like
what you were saying earlier, FallingAlone is like a lot of music I
love and got into was also tiedinto movies, and you know, I

(40:29):
mean just like that same excitement whenI saw a fan of the Paradise and
Rocky Horror and Shot Treatment and ForbiddenZone much later, and also the Tubes
video. You're talking about DVDs,which I'm same. I own a number
of DVD comps too, because I'ma sucker for that stuff. But Houser

(40:50):
Video had the Tubes video, whichthere were two bands that did video albums
for they did the first video albumsand one was Blondie for Each to the
Bea and the other one was theTubes that basically paralleled with the completion backwards
principle and that thing is still outof front, but but that was really
cool, and especially because it waslike uncensored, Like I mean, there's

(41:12):
videos from Monto Bondage, which isweirdly, I mean, which is not
on completion backwards principle, but it'sMondo bondage. Come on and you get
to cep way Bill, I havewomen break eggs on his bare ass.
It's like I can imagine the personthat rented that because they're like, oh,
I love she's a beauty and they'regetting this ship and I later Yeah,

(41:34):
but actually kind of getting a littlebit away from the visual because I
think we definitely have a future episodethat's going to be more music video based
and us for sure, if notmultiple When you think like if you had
to, if you if the bothof you had to pick maybe like the
top three or four albums that werejust like your rider dies and your adolescence

(41:59):
and your mid teens, Um,what what would this be like? For
sorry? Like, for example,I could say mine off the just off
the top of my head would beUM Date with Elvis by the Cramps.
I love it so much, RockSea Musics for your Pleasure, Kate Bush's
uh, The Dreaming, Uh,the Tubes, Young and Rich, which

(42:23):
which I owned on final which nobodywas buying vinyl by the time I was
buying The Stop and I kind ofmiss those stays given how much the prices
already out, but what can youdo? Um oh oh? And the
Kinks Lola versus the power Man becauseactually a huge Kinks fan and one of

(42:43):
my earliest uh my goal at theage of thirteen was to marry Ray Davis.
Um. Spoiler, it didn't happen. There's still time, there's I
don't think that. I think he'sI'm just saying he did. I love
him, I love you write David'sactuel band, um, and I'm glad

(43:07):
he outlived David Crossby. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that Actually that wasn't that
spoiler, that's that's not I didn'tknow like about David crosby solo work when
I was a kid, but Ilater got into He has an album called
If I Could Only Remember My Name, which is his first solo album.
It is fucking fantastic and I'll beplaying that tonight because it's I mean,

(43:30):
he was a cranky old man andI didn't agree with a lot of things
he said and did, but boy, that motherfucker could write and he could
sing really anyway. Now, Irespect that, and you know that's the
thing I love about all of usas we all, we all can contribute
that, and I'll be thinking abouthow handsome my tubes are while you're listening

(43:52):
to David You're gonna You're never gonnalet me live that down called them.
Some of us like character over prettystas pretty. But if I had to
pick the police, I'm with FatherMilan Ubercent Stuart Copeland all the way.
He just seems way cooler than wayway. But Andy sum was way more
talented as a songwriter, obviously,but but here Copeland is the shit man.

(44:15):
He has a song on the TexasChainsaw Massacre which he died right that
that whole yeah, that strange thingshappen to a Man on the Road,
which I listened to a lot whileI'm driving across the country, and it's,
uh, it's sublime. That's himsinging It's it's a good tune.
Like he also did that Soward standRidgeway and Rubblefish don't box Me in a

(44:37):
phenomenal song, great song. Oh, we're going to do a Stuart Copeland
themed episode down the road. Iwill say Andy Summer, I think is
the underrated MVP of that band.Yoh yeah, because the band was like
someday, I mean his contributions areenormous, and he's such a he's really
like the quiet one in the group, so they really go unheralded. But

(44:58):
his tone and the way that heplayed with the digital he really became famous
for the sort of sound of thedigital delay and the chorus thing that he
used, and his touch is remarkable. Like he's really really underrated. But
to to sort of get back,like what you were talking about, where
are sort of you know, thediscs that we held dear or the albums

(45:22):
we held dear when we were youknow, kids, I would say,
if I'm thinking about this now,like if I'm I don't know how how
far ahead into our adolescence you're talking, but I know for me, certainly,
I've already mentioned Donald Fagan's The NightFly Into high School. Mid high
school probably Paul's boutique by the BeastieBoys was like tremendously like impactful, Like

(45:45):
I I didn't know that sampling couldbe taken to such a degree. It's
still I still listen to it now, and I can still hear things that
I missed, you know, thelast one hundred and fifty million times I
listened to it. But but beyondthat, probably, like I said,
I had weird dastes I still do. But probably the Royal Scam by Steely

(46:07):
Dan, which is probably their mostguitar heavy album, which is probably why
I like it so much. Umthe very first Black Sabbath, which is
amazing. It's all you like ittoo, Oh, I know, I'm
a huge Sabbath. I'm huge,and I really everything probably for me it
ends with Dio when he you know, when he left. But but really

(46:31):
like those first you know, theAusie years are really unimpeachable, and and
the dial stuff is great too.Mob Rules is incredible and Heaven and Hell.
But that that first album was suchit was almost I don't know,
I'm not sure what to compare itto, but it wasn't It just kind
of I don't know, there wasn'tThe song is kind of lended into one

(46:53):
another, and it was really justsuch a trip. That that album was
really kind of a trip beginning toend. It was so heavily multi tracked
and really thick. The sound wasgreat, sort of jazzy, sort of
bluesy. It was incredible. Umso the first Black Sabbath, and to
your point, actually is a sidenote like, it's funny you mentioned like

(47:14):
going to I think you said Walmartto get cheap tapes. Father Malone will
remember we had a we had astore called Leechmere but local. I don't
know how local it was, butit was prevalent in our area and they
had they used to have this likeI don't know. It was like a
rack and it was like tapes forlike a buck, like the Super Saver

(47:36):
series or something. Yeah, that'swhere I got like every you know,
early Black Sabbath tape. I waslike, wow, I can get the
whole catalog right here. I gotthat and it was just it was I
was in hog Heaven. But um, but what else would I be?
Be? Big? And probably Iwould say, you know, probably the
Monkey's Greatest Hits, because that wassomething I remember when my my parents had

(48:00):
eight tracks and that was one ofthe eight tracks that I really liked,
was The Monkey's Greatest Hits. Andprobably uh, Women and Children First by
Van Halen was probably was another bigone. That was another big like guitar
head type of album. It hadlike everything on it that you could ever
hope for. It was moody,it was it was great. I actually

(48:21):
that's my favorite of the olive andhalenes. Yes, there's not a wrong
answer that somebody says, you know, oh the best roth Era. You're
right, It doesn't matter which oneyou say you're that's just not really a
wrong Um if I can impart realquick, yea. My three top role
models as a little child was ElviraJo's Shocking I know, right, um,

(48:49):
Sunday Lauper and David Lee Row Andin fact, my mother has suwhere
loves statue in a box. Wehad to draw our dream houses in kindergarten
and she got called in because Idrew a fifty foot limo with a pull
in it because I had seen onMTV and we're having a contest where you
could hang out with David Lee Rothand with a pull in it, and

(49:13):
I thought that was his house becauseI was a child, and I was
like, man, oh, DavidLee rocks. The main what's funny is
I hate limos now but it justseems a good waste to cast. But
um uh yeah, so full respect, I do, I do really uh.
I would encourage you that to checkout the uh Born Again album though

(49:36):
with oh god um Ian Gillan said, uh yeah, Gillan. Yeah,
I I he's they're actually gonna bereissuing a bunch of those in the coming
year. I think they've already gone. They've already reissued and reissued again all
the other earlier like Dio and allthat stuff. So I'll get to it.
I definitely will. But I Ithose man like. I was so

(50:00):
into the Aussi stuff that I kindof avoided the deal because I thought a
deal was sort of cheesy because againon MTV, he's this little short guy
like throwing devil horns and the manon the shiny blue mountain or whatever.
But when like that, that thatthat band was so like sow its own
thing, like you, it's almostimpossible to compare like mob Rules with anything

(50:25):
that came in the the the Aussiera, because they had like I think
viny Apiece was the drummer and hewas just heavy, and they just they
were just a totally different thing.But anyway, I digress father alone wait
wait wait, wait no, no, I have to I am gonna happen
to use my power to interrupt her. Sorry, go ahead, that horrid

(50:46):
Blackbirds that I'm mad. I'm justsound. I've grown to love it.
I love Rainbow, I love AUSIall of a love of the first Holy
Divers. Great album, but atthe time, like I was, I
was aussy all the way tribute thatthat album. I love that album.

(51:08):
Tribute with Randy Rhodes. It wasgreat. Like you know when I when
I yeah, stopped talking and putDio back on the line. You're not
going to hear that from me again. I don't know what Dio that was
That sull was not Ronnie Jake,Alright, that was that because that was

(51:34):
you know that actually was truthfully,that was not That was actually Henry Rawlins's
impression of Dio that I learned fromwatching too much spoken word of Henry Rollins
in college. So that's that accountsfor the wackiness of that. That's fair.
Also, Billboard is the greatest dramathat's ever lived. It's tremendous.
It was. It's a real shamethat he couldn't do the reunion. But

(51:55):
I don't we digress, But FatherMalone, you are You are amazing and
I cannot wait to hear what you'reyour Ride and dies. Ride dies like
like like an adolescence, like likearound fifteen, let's say, not even
put them into it, just likeimmediately, what are the albums that flows?
No, it's it's really easy.It's Cramps off the Bone, which

(52:19):
is a D import with the threeD cover, the drawing of blocks with
the with the knife in his handand the fucking candle and the skill which
U HB. I bought with yourecords. Yes, yeah, that I
remember. I wore that CD outOingo Boing goes dead Man's Party. Nice

(52:42):
a cassette of that. Good choice, Good choice, I um I worked
at. My first job was ata movie theater and we would have a
shift that was just popping popcorn.And you were in a room with two
giant kettles, a tiny room withtwo giant kettles, and you were just
softening up these horrible buckets of oilthat was like solid and you would have

(53:06):
to melt it with a wand likea little lightsaber, but far more deadly,
and and you to get the oilpumps working so and you would just
make popcorn all day long and scoopit into bags and then put those bags
into a room for the big rushof the weekend. And it was hellish.

(53:28):
It was salty, it was sweatyand disgusting, but I got to
listen to Dead Man's Party on aloop, followed immediately by My third Choice,
which I also listened to. Iguess that summer, which is Who's
Afraid of the Art of Noise?Yes, yes, Jesus Christ, what

(53:50):
a good album. Those those people, Oh my god, classically trained musicians
saying let's let's look into this electronicthing. And you know, sampling became
a big thing, but I alwaysloved that they were sampling themselves. They
were making those sounds and then layeringthem. That's I don't know, that's

(54:13):
three Oh the fucking Pogues by byby age fifteen, Oh my god.
Um yeah, heavy, heavy,into the into Shane McGowan and and those
boys. By then it was rumsawto me in the lash, I guess
would probably be the one I waslistening to the most, or maybe if
I should fall from grace with God. I don't know. Any poge album

(54:34):
could be sort of slotted into there. I was also listening to an inordinate
amount of Bomb Dylan, but Ican't I can't say an album because a
friend of mine made me this immensemixtape of Bob Dylan's entire career, and
I listened to that. That's I'mcounting that. We're awesome. I love

(54:55):
a lot of great mixtape. Yeah, we're gonna have an have a mixtape
episode. It's kind of a lot, a little bit of a lot of
start. I think it used tobe, like, you know, for
me, it was you know,you like, I remember being in college
and I remember like, well,I'm supposed to be listening to the to
the professor, I'm like writing,you know, like a mixtape like out
for for the girl that I wasdating or whatever, and and I a

(55:19):
lot of thought and effort. Youhad to, you know, because you
had the tape could only fit.I think it was it like twenty five
minutes per side or more so,and you had to like you know,
sometimes science to it. Yeah.Not only were you picking out the mood
and order in order to build anemotional reaction, but you had to do
it within a certain time. Frank, God, damn it. That is

(55:42):
a low start. I still makebasically mixtapes for my girl, but they're
just playlists. But I still putin the love. I have an unlimited
budget now, but a playlist.Yeah, I mean it's you could just
you could just add to it,add infinitem and it'll never It'll just keep
growing. And that's that's cool,you know it surely not, it's not.
It's actually bad. Like you youyou lose track of it, and
then suddenly you have a playlist withone hundred and eighty four songs. Nobody,

(56:07):
it's time to listen to you.I keep adding, like, I
have playlists that have like over twohundred songs. But it works because when
I no, no, but whenI but when I do is when I
plug it in in the car,I just put it on random and I'm
endlessly I'm like, oh, Iforgot to put that on that that's actually
pretty cool, you know, Andit's it doesn't have the rise and fall

(56:30):
like the arc of a really goodmixed tape, because it was you're you're
letting the randomness kind of take over. But there's a it's kind of cool.
And if I was a kid,you know now, I mean,
I wouldn't know any better, butyou know, it's fine, but there
was it's it really is kind ofa lost art, you know, picking
the songs, putting them, likeyou said, fall them alone in a

(56:50):
certain order and really building up tosomething you know. And and it had
meaning and it was a real giftfrom the heart when you gave it to
somebody, you know. Oh absolutelyyeah. And I mean I still,
you know, like I said,I make I make mixtapes like for my
mom. And in fact, I'veactually gotten her into bands that she otherwise
did not know about, like andweirdly enough, the two bands or Sisters

(57:14):
of Mercy and type of Negative.And I saw I saw the Sisters of
Mercy on this weird package tour theydid with Public Enemy. Oh yeah,
I'm so jealous. It was itwas sort of like in in the post,
sort of, I want to say, I believe it was kind of
trying to catch that buzz of lollapalooza, you know. But and I was

(57:38):
maybe one of the only people wholike was a fan of both bands.
Like I had this buddy that Iknew from from Marblehead that we would go
to shows together in high school,and he got me into the Sisters of
Mercy, and I was like,wow, this is great. But to
be honest, like I was andam still so much more a fan of
a Public Enemy. But it wasa real trip. I mean, it

(57:59):
was, it was a it wasa culture shock. It was sort of
novel in those days to have thesepackage tours with bands that maybe didn't make
a lot of logical sense, butyou got exposed to a lot of cool
stuff that way. Like I sawbands that I never would have seen otherwise.
Well, do you have to askthe both of you, because of
course we grew up, we allare, you know, grew up in

(58:22):
an era where you had like cassettesand LPs and CDs, And do either
one of you know, we alldo streaming too, But I still definitely
buy vinyl and CDs. And Idid actually buy one cassette recently, but
it's only because it was literally theonly way to get this one album and

(58:42):
it was by sue tissue like shedid once, like so album sue tissue
from suburban lawns, and to getthe vinyl version of her album would be
extremely cost prohibitive to say the least. But but do you guys still do
either one of you like still buyvinyl or CDs? I buy vinyl like
crazy, Hell yeah, I havetoo much vinyl as a matter of fact

(59:05):
thing. And I don't care whatshape it's in. I don't I'm not
I ain't picky. I'm I'm I'mat the I'm at the bargain basements.
Uh, you know, I'm buyingthe one dollar LPs. I'm buying them
because the artwork on the on thesleeve is cool. I bought. I
purchased just a sleeve, even ifthe record is not in it, if
it's cool enough. But um,I mean, look, I'm not buying

(59:27):
a record it's completely fucked but likebecause it literally has a dead possum on
it, he does not care.I want to hear it. But I'm
not precious about vinyl. I certainlyrankle at new vinyl, particularly not necessarily
new music being pressed on vinyl,but like the classic albums that I bought

(59:47):
on vinyl thirty years ago. AndI'm like, you want to you want
me to spend thirty five dollars onthis album that I know I've bought at
least a dozen times in my life. No, I'm not doing that.
I don't care how well it's beenmixed and blah blah blah bla. I'll
go by the other scratched up vinyland hear it like it's meant to be
heard, fucked up and uncared forno, No, I think, well,

(01:00:09):
you know, the great Lester Bankswhat said that rock and roll should
be played on garbage equipment and madewith like garbage production and just you know,
to get that rough sound. AndI can I get that. You
know, there's a dangerent with Ithink certain types of genre sounding too clean.
I think it really depends on thegenre too. But but yeah,

(01:00:30):
no, I I you know whatI hate. It's like when somebody has
a used album that they're over pricingthat you know, sold Like I was
seeing like you know, like aRolling Stones. Um oh it wasn't Undercover
of the Night. It was maybeit was like all main Street. It's
just like a local place had it, like for like thirty bucks, And
it's like really really, I mean, unless it doesn't need to be priced

(01:00:54):
that much, guys, come on, you know, like if it's something
like oh it's Anena Simone, likesure you can jack that up a little
bit. That's gonna be a littlemore rare. But you know, you
know, kiss Kiss, like youknow, Kiss Dynasty does not need to
be fucking thirty dollars years. Sorry, Yeah, but I don't know HP.

(01:01:14):
What about you? Are you?Are you still a partaker of the
physical media. So I mostly Iget stuff off of band camp and streaming.
Um, I don't. I don'tbuy a lot of I certainly don't
buy new vinyl because to yours andfather Malone's point, the new stuff and
even some of the use stuff isjust too expensive, like I can't and

(01:01:35):
I just I can't justify it.And I you know, my like I
said, I went, I wentmany many years, like you know.
Literally, Tuesday was new release dayaround here, and I would go at
lunch and I would usually take afriend of mine or whatever, and I
would just spend an ungodly amount onCDs. So I have a huge collection.

(01:01:57):
That is, I don't I don'tknow or play them anymore because it's
all the stuff that I want toplay. I just I rip it to
my computer and that's I just Ilisten to the MP three's. I'm not
I wouldn't consider myself like an audiofile. So again to your points,
it's like it doesn't have to bepristine, you know, one hundred and
eighty Graham Vinyl and Da Da Day. I don't really care that much,

(01:02:20):
but mostly streaming and want to getoff of band camp here and there and
um that that really usually is finefor me, but I think it is
funny that like I'll go to like, you know, I placed like New
Bray comics, and like I'll seelike people are like there are new albums
coming out on cassette, which Ijust think is just hilarious to me.
Like I I guess cassettes is kindof becoming a the new vinyl or trying

(01:02:45):
to become the new vinyl. Butuh, you know, cassettes for me
growing up was just a cheap wayof being able to listen to music in
my car. Like I would basicallyjust throw the cassette in and when I
was done with it, I takeit out and kind of throw it across
the car. And I didn't reallycare too much because they were pretty pretty
sturdy. But to see it becomingkind of a hipster thing now where where

(01:03:09):
people are of a certain age andeconomic bracket are attracted to cassettes when they
are really an inferior format, itis funny to me. But hey,
you know, if they've got thedisposal income, why not could not fathom
buying a brand new cassette absolutely crazy. I mean it was fun to see
it and go Wow, those arecassettes. I haven't seen those in decades.

(01:03:32):
But it just seems pointless. Itseems like a waste of money.
But because because a vinyl, Ican see, because it is a superior
format, and there's a there's aglue to it. Hear that you can
hear the glow. Hold on,listen, listen, just listen. Well,
the funny thing is Father Malone.Like the thing that that won me

(01:03:54):
over to it most recently was listeningto records with you where you know,
I hadn't I hadn't just sat downand listened to records because I've gotten so
comfortable just being able to call upany song at any time. What the
beauty I think of vinyl, beyondany audio improvements, is that you are

(01:04:15):
forced to listen to this thing asthe artist intended, from beginning to end.
And it's another get off my longmoment. But I think that that's
also something that gets lost in today'ssort of shuffle sort of you know,
vibe. When it comes to music. You can take one song off this

(01:04:35):
album, one song off this album, and everything is a mixtape and everything
is a playlist. But I couldn'timagine listening like You can't listen to the
first Black Sabbath album in any wayin my opinion, but in the order
that it's intended, because it hasa flow to it, and I would
and I just think it's it's lostif you know. That's what vinyl.

(01:04:57):
One of the big benefits of vinylfor me is that you, by definition,
you can't do anything but listen tothat thing from start to finish and
listen to it as an experience,and a beautiful experience at that That was
poetry. No, you're right.Also picturing you like throwing your cassette tapes
across your car for some reason,it's hilarious to me, Like I just

(01:05:17):
picture and you're you're so like you'reso just like you're so nice. I
don't know why in my head,Like it's like your evil twin that talks
like a super villain that you're likenext to jam them, know, you
just fold it across the fucking card. Yeah, I'm done with you,
sir. It's just like jam itout. I wasn't that, but but

(01:05:39):
but you know I would, theywould they were, you know, unless
like I've had I had tape decksthat would eat the cassette and that's a
bummer, mostly because I'd leave iton the dashboard and they would melt and
they would become not you know,it wouldn't fit, but they would,
you know. That was that wasthe best thing about them was that they
could they could hold up to abeat. You didn't have to be so

(01:06:00):
you know, so so nice withthem. You know, I can't say
no, sorry, I just it'sjust like you're just having like subtle fuck
you exile. I will not kissyou all over and you will not place
your lips upon my body. Goodtaste, sir. Yeah, I did

(01:06:23):
not mean interrupt you continue. No, no, no, no, I
actually you know I've been in acar with him, with him, I've
seen him throw a tape over.But I will I will say though that
that uh, you know, I'vepainted a picture of my musical tastes as
an adolescent, growing up and certainlygoing into high school. I my tastes

(01:06:44):
were much more mainstream, you know, some some harder rock stuff. I
guess you could call it like umlike I said, ausy Aerosmith. But
and not to belabor the point thatfather Malonea and I have a history together,
I will say he was definitely responsiblefor opening up my ears to a
lot of stuff that I wouldn't havelistened to otherwise, So I have to

(01:07:05):
give him credit for that. Iremember listening to and I've told the story
before in other venues of listening tothe sex Pistols. It was the first
time I'd ever listened to the sexPistols because I wasn't exposed to that in
my upbringing, and he exposed meto that. We had a shared love
of Phantom of Paradise, which hasalready been brought up several times in this

(01:07:26):
podcast. Particularly, it was oneof those things that we both we both
knew the movie separately, but thenwhen we met and became friends, it
was one of those things where wewere so shocked, Wow, you know
that movie too, and you loveit as much as I do. That's
incredible. We at the time wefelt like the only two people like in
the you know, in the statewho would even heard of this, because

(01:07:49):
at that time you couldn't just goout and buy the DVD or why watch
it on streaming or whatever. Youhad to look in the TV listenings and
find when it was going to beplaying at like, you know, ten
o'clock in the evening on Channel thirtyeight, you know, as as a
late movie or something. So itwas a big deal. But I and

(01:08:11):
I'm grateful for that. I meanthat father Malone had such eclectic tastes and
he really opened my eyes up toa lot of music that I would not
have known otherwise. Yeah, Ithink that's beautiful. I mean, especially
because you know the love No,I mean, that's I love that story,
especially because it reminds me of whenI got into the movie Tommy as

(01:08:35):
like in my early teens, andand my my best friend Nikki and I
had both seen it, not togetherbut separately, had caught it on TBS
and I remember specifically being TVs andUM, and we both just were drawn
to it and we ended up likewatching it again together, and like I

(01:08:55):
taped it because you know, whenyou're poor, that's the thing is like
move ying actual movies back then onthe old like original VHS tapes were expensive
for a very long time, butblank VHS tapes we're a lot cheaper,
so you just end up taping movies. And I know, yes, if

(01:09:17):
you recorded them on EP you couldget like eight hours on one tape,
which I did that and didn't evenknow until the DVD era that that was
like the worst quality. But whatdid we know what? We were just
children, and but me and herwould watch Tommy over and over again and
that's where I fell in love withall of a read and Ken Russell Can

(01:09:40):
Russell is one of my favorite actorsto this day. Um. And on
top of that, something that's hilariousI had really jacked up is you know,
me and her were like twelve around, like twelve years old at this
period, and there's something scarier thanteenage girl hormones. I think teenage hormones
in general, but there's something alittle spicy. And I don't know if
it's because girls are more repressed,like we're not really you know, guys

(01:10:03):
are kind of you guys are alittle more allowed to be like, yeah,
boobies who you know, I don'tknow that's space or yeah, that's
good though, I don't know,you know what I mean, Like I
think then it's okay for men tokind of I think it's more acceptables.
Certainly, Yes, that's me andI are just not in that camp.

(01:10:25):
I don't think, Well, that'swhy we're all weird eggs and I love
that because me and Herbert definitely likeMe and Nikki had Bonnie because we were
both in the metal and horror moviesand we were both just kind of like
weird girls and um, but welike and how we would see Uncle Ernie.
We just thought he was whimsical,like because yeah, he's adorable.
If we were of those, we'relike, oh, it's Uncle Ernie.

(01:10:45):
And that's why I watched in college. I was like, he's a pedophile.
Great, Oh, it's terrible likeabout that. There's nothing like and
that's it's funny because that's I lovewho Like. They're one of my top
top five favorite bands, But tobe honest, that's the one, maybe
one of their only albums that Ican't listen to anymore, because hey,
I listened to it a lot whenI first sort of discovered it. But

(01:11:11):
it's really it's such a there's somuch awful stuff that happens in the context
of that story, particularly al GoErnie and and what he does, and
that movie was kind of like,I don't think I was prepared for Ken
Russell when I first saw that movie, because it's so I mean, it's
everything is exaggerated there's all these weirdangles, these strange close ups of people,

(01:11:35):
weird stuff's happening. Uh, youknow, it's just it's it's a
lot for an adolescent to take in, certainly, as you've as you've already
been describing. But but no,I I yeah, that that movies a
lot. Oh god, well,and we both like any time cut when

(01:11:56):
cousin Kevin comes then played by theflaxen haired Paul Nicholas. And Nicholas I
seen them that that awful startrant Pepper'sOnly Hearts Club Band movie. You know,
you say awful, I said awful. But but I but no,
no, no, sir, we'renow at odds. Oh I am.

(01:12:18):
I am objectively calling it terrible.But that was, to be honest,
that was the first that was reallymy original exposure to Beatles music. I
honestly, I I probably heard theBG's renditions of their music before I got
familiar with the Beatles. It ledit led you there then, correct,
Oh yeah, yeah, that's athing I think you should. I think

(01:12:39):
you should walk back your your yourjudgment of that film then, and that
it was a gateway to to agreater musical knowledge. There's nothing good about
you know, um, George Burnsdoing with a Little Heart. No,
it's a hole. Him up therepretending to drama guitar is not genius to

(01:13:01):
you get out of here, BillyPreston. Billy Preston doing Get Back is
just brilliant. And I will Iwill hold that up as the best part
of that whole movie. And asa as a fan of admitted of the
BGS. It's interesting and I likesome of the stuff they do earth Wind
and Fire, Sir, Yeah,Aerosmith doing the definitive version, I think,

(01:13:27):
oh yeah, come together. It'sso good, so good. But
but it's awful. It's so awful. Here's the thing. The reason that
those musical performances are so good isbecause George Martin produced the soundtrack album.
So I give him. Did hedo it? What was it all about?
Oh? That movie? It's awful. That movie also gave us some
truly demanded versions. I mean,it's of I come on, mister Mustard,

(01:13:53):
I love Frankie Hower, I loveit. Ud Man, Oh my
god, old man. How aboutthis? She's leaving home with the robots,
the robots singing it, making iteven more streakily than it already is.
Cooper doing it because you things thatfreaked me out as a kid.

(01:14:15):
That freaked me out as a kid, that Sequen in the body suit doing
that. Yeah, I was justhappy's aals Cooper's Lavelle's Cooper. I'd be
like, oh, it's Alice.It's like, Iby's so happy. Um,
I love Alice. Come on,Alice boy, Alice saying anything.
Also, Steve Martin, Yeah,I love that movie. You're nuts Porter.

(01:14:41):
I let me tell you, II hate Maxwell silver Hammer on Abbie
Road, and I hate Steve Martindoing it. I'm sorry you're not keep
convinced the otherwise you like teacher,Teacher gets annoyed. So there's a kung
fu sequence during that Come on,but that's not aside Steve Martin like like

(01:15:05):
like attempting to lobotomize Peter Frampton.You don't find an insane amount of beauty
in that sequence. We're gonna havethe conversation off air. I will,
I will say one of the dancersin that sequence, um, and I
can't. I'm trying with the actor'sname, like he's no longer with this
sadly, um, but he's likeone of the few characters Mareth. Buttrick

(01:15:29):
is that his name? No,you just made that up? He thought
he just pulled that up. He'sanother actor. He was in Star Trek
two, he was in Square Pegs. He uh, he's no longer with
us, but now he has nothingto do with such. I had a
feeling, no, but it's it'sone of the few characters he plays,
one of the few characters I likein Greece. He's the guy that like,
the blonde hair, guy that danceswith Chasha. I love him,

(01:15:54):
like it was like Billy rules,is there ain't no rules? I hate
Greece for the record, I lovethat. You know, we talk about
like finding these music like and Heather, you actually mentioned this, like you
know it you feel as a sortof outcast, as everyone does to some
degree in their lives. But thoseof us who are actually felt like really

(01:16:14):
like nobody fucking got us. Wefelt like aliens in the world, like
hearing music and knowing other people werelistening to it, like you felt connected
to it, and the music itself, of course speaks to you. But
there's like a flip side to thattoo. And what got me thinking about
it, HP was you saying,like when we saw Phantom of the Paradise.
We thought we were the only twopeople in the state. And that

(01:16:35):
sort of feeling carries over to bandsas well, particularly if they're not insanely
popular, but they feel like they'reyours. There's like an exclusivity to it,
like it's it's it's almost a reverseof connecting. It's like shunning the
rest of the world with that thingthat's just something I thought and wanted to
share with you. Yeah, Imean it's it feels so precious to you.

(01:16:58):
Yeah, part of you. It'slike a little secret part of you,
and you do get like sort ofAlso, that's also explains like I
think you get the most protective ofstuff like that at that age because of
that. Um yeah, it's justI remember and it's so silly now.
But it's like if you saw akid wearing a band T shirt of a
band that you loved, and allof a sudden they're like, oh yeah,

(01:17:20):
I like the Ramons and you're aparty. Was like, motherfucker,
I got bullied for like either ramonaslike you get like super like aggressive in
your mind about it. Um butcan let me look, can I I
just want to enter to it.Because you mentioned the exact band that this
reminds me of. HP and Iwent to high school together. We have
a mutual friend in high school whowho harangued me one day because I was

(01:17:45):
listening to The Ramons on a CDdisc man that I had just gotten.
I was sim and I was listeningto Ramons Mania, which is basically everything
yeah, and he was just likefucking Ramons like one song, man,
like get over it, like thatright years later on social media, just

(01:18:05):
like oh the Ramounds, man,yeah, like they're so cool, and
I just wanted to reach through thecomputer punch them in the face, like
Well. It's interesting because I youknow, especially when you're young, music
is such a part of your identityand it really kind of dictates how,
you know, what tribe you kindof see yourself belonging to. And I

(01:18:28):
mean, that's a that's a reallygreat point that you both bring up about
that, because it can work bothways. Like sometimes when you'd see somebody
with a with a band shirt orsomething like that, you go, oh,
that's kind of cool. But sometimesyou would see that and you would
feel a little bit like, oh, you know that it's not really my
band anymore. They're getting a littletoo big, and it's a little you
know, no, they're my band, they're not your band. You know,

(01:18:49):
I like them. You can't likethem because I like them. But
it is. But but you know, it's such an identifying trait when you're
a kid, because that's I thinkyou want to belong to something anything,
especially if you feel a little bitlike a misfit, like it sounds like
we all did in our sort ofhigh school years and around there, and

(01:19:14):
and music is really the thing thatgets you through and you feel such a
sense of community and belonging. Andthen you start going to shows and you
it's a whole another It takes theexperience to a whole another level and you
realize, you know, wow,this is really cool. I'm part of
something. I'm part of this group. We all really love this band or
this artist, and it's really coolto be here and sing along with all

(01:19:39):
these other people the song that Ithought that only I knew about, that
I cared about. So it's really, you know, I'm not sure it's
it's something so unique to music.It's an experience. I mean, there's
a communal experience when you go toa movie with like minded, you know,
audience members, but there's something stillpersonal and unique about the musical communal

(01:20:00):
experience belonging to that uh, thatselect group that you kind of like see
yourself in. I don't know,it's it's the music is what gives me
dad, I think more than anythingelse. It's funny though, because sometimes
like and I remember talking with mylate friend Scott about this, where yeah,
there's nothing worse than seeing somebody that'swearing a bancher and you're like and

(01:20:21):
it's like especially like an obscure band, and you're like, you get excited,
You're like tried, you know,like we will be brothers and sisters,
and and then you try to comeup to them and they have like
like kind of a shit attitude andthen it's like, well fuck you,
Like you can't. Like again,I guess I have a little agroman that

(01:20:44):
lives in beside me, but umand uh and probably enough. His name
is also Clifford Buxton. Was thatthe name Godrick? Godrick Wellington? Where
are you going with this? Idon't even know now, but now it's
like, but I almost hate thatmore than somebody who's like, I mean,

(01:21:06):
could you do get I think moreslack as you get older. Like
if I saw somebody who's like anew fan to something, I would respect
that. I'd be a look cool, they're getting into it, that's awesome.
But like when somebody like I rememberthe last records store a day.
I made a point of going tothe record store on records for a day
two because there was a gun ClubLive album and they were down to two

(01:21:26):
copies. And I was so excited. And I'm a very effusive person,
as you probably could tell. AndI just and I like when I'm in
like ports of call that have likemusic or art or books, I'm just
like, I'm in heaven. That'sthat's my disney Land. It always has
been. And there was this othercouple that were behind us that and they
got the same album, and likethey just were so like so just like

(01:21:53):
shut down and like not friendly andvery like huh. And I'm like and
I almost like, well, youguys don't deserve this great band. You
know, A part of me stillkind of I guess Bill, And it's
not gate keeping. It's just like, how can you have great art and
your presence and not be excited aboutit? How can you do that?
To me, like being into anythingcreative is the most exciting thing in the

(01:22:15):
world, even and it's subjective andthat's fine. I mean, if I
see somebody we mentioned listening to DavidCrosby tonight, I legit think that's beautiful.
HP Like, that's that's an artistwhose work is connected with you,
and you're going to honor him andenjoy his music tonight. That's amazing.
And I think that process is great. I think that's the beauty. The
connective tissue of all anything creative andexpressive is there's something that touches every person,

(01:22:42):
and every person's a little different.Every neurons receive different expressions differently,
and that's a that's a really justa magical thing that's part of the process.
So when I see people that areso smug with art, I hate
art galleries for the same reason forthe record, where people are just like
too cool for school. Fuck off, like coping a fucking doctor, go
to go go look at Thomas kinkaidart, you know, go listen to Musaic

(01:23:06):
or whatever. You guys don't fuckingdeserve this. And I think like a
good message for like eight keepers outthere, like trying to stop people for
like liking something that you liked beforethem or whatever, like what's worse like
new blood or like people who lovewhat you love who are dickheads, Like

(01:23:28):
that's the thing to get upset?Do you want to expel those people?
Like you don't get to enjoy this? You're a prick exactly exactly, And
you know it's like, um,and I think me and you may have
talked about those father Malone at thepoint where yeah, there were certain like
certain Kate Bush fans getting kind oflike pissy about kids getting into them because
of stranger things using um was itrunning? Yeah, And I'm like,

(01:23:53):
you know what I'm like finally,like because honestly, I got into Kate
Bush in the nineties when people were, you know, listening to Nirvana and
grunge. Like I was an outlierbecause I was into Cape Bush and Rocks
and music and the Tubes, andyou know, later I'm all Voodoo,
the Cramps and the Damned and youknow, all these other bands, and

(01:24:14):
I'm like cool, Like, man, no, I love Kate Push.
Everybody should listen to a Bush,you know, Like who cares what ways
anybody gets into something like to beso fucking up your own ass about Oh
well, I well, yeah,some of these kids weren't alive when you
got into Kate Bush Okay called thefuck down, and that includes me.

(01:24:35):
I mean, there are kids whowere born in two thousand that I probably
listen to it, and I'm alreadyold enough to vote as as as I
hear the cold wind of what alitybehind me. But no, I mean,
and that's the joy of music isany way you can find it,
anyway you can connect to it isawesome. And like like HPU mentioning band
camp, I've been discovering some amazingnew bands that via band came out,

(01:25:01):
and which is always my point,where you know, I hear people yeah,
and people that are honestly way tooyoung to be saying this shit they
sound they're already selling the parents wherethey're like, oh well, music was
better when I was a kid orwe were kids, and there's no good
No, there's always good music.There's always great art. You just have
to be open to it and youhave to know where to look, and
you have to dig, you haveto work for it. Rock radio has

(01:25:24):
I mean, rock radio was honestlynever perfect, and I never really was
like enough to grow up with acool quote unquote station. I mean,
but I know, like in theseventies there were a lot more cool stations
because he didn't have the clear channelstrongholds that we do now. But I
mean, yeah, you can't relyon mainstream outlets. How are you discovering

(01:25:45):
new music these days? Like whereare the are there websites you're going to?
You already mentioned band camp who bothdid? But how do you discovered
new music these days? What's whatare your outlets? Let me start with
you, Heather oh Man, Ibeing like the little um like trash panda
that I am, like, Ilike to forage, but not in dumpsters

(01:26:12):
music. Yeah, some musical dumpsters, which is the name of my new
scene. No, I have differentways, Like actually Spotify has just kind
of because I think I love aboutSpotify as you could look up other people's
playlists and you know, so ifthere's one bander into you could see what
playlists has these bands or I'm lookingfor a genre and you can find that.

(01:26:34):
So I've discovered dude bands like that. I've discovered there are people on
YouTube that will make mixes of newmusic. There's one YouTube channel in particular
called um there's actually two channels.One and the YouTube channel name is Yammy
Sprecchi And I'm putting an accident onnext on assuming it's foreign and I'm probably

(01:26:58):
parking that up, but my heartis in the right place here. But
like, but both that one andthere's one called Gothic Bop that do um
these mixes of deep deep cuts andit's everything from like older you know,
older stuff like more classic, andit can be anything from like industrial electronics,
scynth wave, old school goth liketrad goff punk to like stuff that

(01:27:19):
is out now, like bands that'sjust formed in twenty twenty two. And
like these are like really great curators, and that's the thing, like I
think on mediums like Spotify on YouTube, you can find curators very easily and
they let them be your pipe piperand then you can kind of take it
from there. Like and uh,also, um, there's one artist I've

(01:27:43):
in a fanta for, like she'slike ten years named Ashley actually usinga who's
in a band now called Patriarchy.I discovered her years ago via tumbler.
Like yeah, I mean, wellnow it wasn't that wasn't that long ago,
but it was definitely through Tumbler.And I mean so I'm just a
big believer and just like have youreyes always out like and it could be

(01:28:08):
that's the beauty of social media.It's easy to bitch about it, but
if you use it correctly and areopen minded, you can find all the
cool seeds and just let them takeyou to where you want to go.
How about you, father alone,where do you discover new music? I
don't. I've found that there areso many genres of music that I've been

(01:28:29):
interested in but not had the wherewithalto dive into, and I find myself
doing that more than anything. Ihave been exposed more and more to new
music only because I mentioned earlier,I was making playlists for my girl who's
younger than me, and and soI started actually like just through Amazon effectively,

(01:28:53):
like you know, finding music thatI like. But then you know,
they have whole channels and station dedicatedto newer music and stuff. So
if i'm if I'm looking, andI don't find myself looking too often,
But that's where I am as faras new music goes. But other other
than that, like I said,it's like, you know, there are
tons of you know, Italian librarymovie music that need my attention that I

(01:29:17):
that I have not yet been exposedto. So I find myself looking back,
but not not in a going overstuff I've already you know, experienced,
but trying to find other things thathave been around that maybe haven't gotten
the attention they deserve. That's all. No, and and that's totally even
you know, I shouldn't have Ishould have qualified it by saying, you

(01:29:40):
know, this doesn't necessarily mean likesome brand new artists that just hit but
you know this, like Italian librarymusic, I also have an interest in
that, and I'm you know,often I'll find a good blog spot,
you know, page of some someonein like Denmark who's like, you know,
compiling a list of all the bestyou know, library music. Sometimes

(01:30:01):
they'll even have you know, clipsyou can download and so forth. But
but that's totally you know it.For me, I used to sort of
be one of these people who waslike, ah, you know, I
got very locked into the music Iliked and that was it. But I
think at some point I got myeyes got opened up to the possibilities of
the sort of the modern era ofmusic collection, which basically involves you know,

(01:30:28):
going through band Camp. I eventhough it's it's it sometimes gets a
little to hit history. For me, I do check the reviews on Pitchfork
because every once in a while I'llbe exposed to something that I wouldn't otherwise,
or or a style of music,and then I'll go, oh,
that sounds interesting. I'll chase thatup. And because it's so easy to
find, you know, a YouTubeclip or a video from a certain artist,

(01:30:54):
you at least get a sense for, well, this is something that
I can chase up, and maybeI'll pick something of theirs a disc,
or maybe i'll buy something up thereis off of band camp and I'm off
to the races. But but certainlyband camp is one of my primary go
tos, just because any anything thatcomes into my head, the search engine
I find is really good. EvenI'll just type in something like you had

(01:31:17):
mentioned synth wave. I'll put insynthwave and I'll find out like, what
are the what are the most popularsynth wave albums of the past, whatever,
And to be honest, a lotof times from there I kind of
go by the old fashioned method oflooking at the album art because oftentimes,
like if this, well, noas the nice thing about that. The

(01:31:38):
best thing I can say is,as as I've gotten older, I've kind
of shed that that that sort ofgrouchy old man who thinks that nothing,
you know, all the best musicwas created you. No, No,
it's i I've I'm honest enough toadmit to myself that if you look and
you're you know, you're careful aboutit, and your your ears are open,

(01:31:59):
in your eye are open, youcan find good music almost anytime.
And I've found stuff, and wecan talk about this. Actually are our
latest discoveries. I think maybe thiswould be a good segue one of my
discoveries of the past. Actually,this is probably the past month. This
was a band that I discovered throughI think it was through Pitchfork. I
might be wrong about that, butcertainly I've gotten into them pretty hard over

(01:32:25):
the past month. It's a bandcalled Mystic Braves, which I wasn't familiar
with previously. They had an albumthat came out last year called Pacific Afterglow,
which has been has had a lot, has had a lot of airplay
in my car and while I'm workingand so forth. There. The band
is interesting. They've been around sincetwenty eleven and they were really mainly known

(01:32:47):
as a sort of a psychedelic rockrevival group. They're one of their musical
heroes are the Zombies, So itwas a lot of that, even done
surf music. It was very muchrooted in the mid to late sixties.
But somehow in this latest album oftheir specific Afterglow, they've taken a real

(01:33:11):
sort of left turn and they've broughtin a lot of angular synth, even
some Talking Heads style sort of stridentguitar, a lot of interesting chords,
and it almost became kind of alittle bit sort of very synth heavy,
more sort of synth pop, butbut still a little little element of the

(01:33:35):
sort of psychedelic that they're psychedelic rockthat they're known for. A very very
appealing combination. And again to myoriginal point, this is a band that
I never would have thought to chase. I never knew they existed, but
here they are, and I can'tget enough of them. I don't love

(01:33:55):
their early stuff as much. Thisalbum is really an outliar, but it's
fantastic loving it. Who would liketo go next? Well, My New
Discovery is a band out of Portlandand they are pretty pretty new to me
and new because this EP came outon twenty twenty two and it's her first
EP a band called Nick's Division.That's n y X and I believe the

(01:34:18):
EPs called dark Star great, justsoaring vocals, moody, just that I
feel like the best kind of likesort of dark or gothic like guitar work
and at times sounds crunchy but almostalso like a flowing, like a rolling
dark sort of cloud, like astorm cloud rolling in which that mixed with

(01:34:41):
like rock and roll kind of crunchis just it's a sweet spot for me.
The focalist is amazing, She's gotso much power and beauty. And
this this EP is just like thebest EPs are like a little just perfect,
just like it's like a perfect shortstory, like a great short story
is jewel like small am just perfecton all sides. And the CP is

(01:35:03):
that. My favorite songs off ofit are Orchid Rain and Renegade. Um.
They're on YouTube, they're on Spotify, and they're on band camp.
A highly highly recommend its Division.UM love them. I think they're fabulous
and speaking the fabulous bother them alone. What's your What's your discovery? I

(01:35:23):
had never heard, I guess it'san EP really lou Read Live from seven,
like I have a I have acompany of brock and Roll Animal,
and I have another one like alive album from Bertlin. But somehow this
one eluded me. I spent afew days driving around listening to it non
stomp, not that it was anythingnew, but it's you know, as

(01:35:45):
a as a weird monomaniacal person.And I've become more recently much more obsessed
with lou Read, so I don'tknow, that's not a that ain't a
new discovery in any sense of thesense of the word, but like,
that's that's my latest thing, Like, um no, it's it's new.
It's new to you. It couldbe an album. I mean, this
is something that you hadn't heard beforeand it's your current obsession and that's that's

(01:36:08):
totally cool. And and his versionof Statellite of Love is really fun in
it because he's doing the bung bungbung like in his inimitable lou Reid style,
Like you know, it's it's it'spretty great. Actually, I have
one question for both of you aswell. Can you name a song that
you can no longer listen to?Like like you heard it a lot,

(01:36:31):
like it never bothered you necessarily,but just through sheer repetition or time or
whatever. You're just like, Idon't I don't want to hear that,
Like you would actively turn the radiooff if it if it came on.
Yeah, like not necessarily even likedit, but like you know, it
was in the air, and itwas just like I was just one of
those songs, you know, likea pop song you'd hear in the radio,

(01:36:54):
like neither it was lukewarm to you. I'll go ready, Yeah,
you go, Because that's a goodquestion. John Cougar Jack and die Oh.
I hate that song. I neverhear that song again about them sucking
on a fucking chili dog. It'slike the most disgusting description of what seems

(01:37:15):
like the most pure, fulfilling lifein the world, celebrating it's not even
working class here, it's losers inLoserville and we're supposed to this is poetry
in some way. No, oh, God, hang out at the Pasty
Freeze for the rest of your fuckinglives, but don't involve me anymore while

(01:37:40):
you filate a chili dog. That'snot how you eat a chili dog.
Nobody sucks on it, dude.It's so gross nasty. The only good
thing about that is and I don'tknow if this was a photoshop. Did
you guys see that meme that goesaround every time it's National Chili Dog Day
where it's somebody I hope to godit's the water. Oh it's John Cougar

(01:38:00):
tweeting. He's quote retweeting somebody tagginghim because the Jack and Dian's Chili dark
thing. And he's like, ifone more, like, please stop fucking
tagging me the ship, like yousee really bad And I'm like, I
was like, karba, oh,your nectar is so sweet. Yeah,
no, I can't. And honestly, that whole I don't know if we

(01:38:21):
really have the equivalent event nowadays asfar as it's like major popular artists,
but that whole thing of like I'mthe everyman and it's like you make millions
of dollars. Seriously, you're notthe everyman. You're not what he got
three. You're sucking on a chillydog. Dude. He was born in
a small town, going to hangout a small town. What I heard

(01:38:44):
he is the most miserable asshole onthe planet. Like just somebody who's got
no time for anything. He's justkind of a just kind of a prick.
I don't know that's what that makeMeg Ryan. The show has taken
a gussip he turned y'all is soall right, So then let let's let's
pick this up. So I don'thave I can't think of a song that

(01:39:05):
I don't but I can tell youan album that I can never listen to
again through sheer repetition. Yes,and that album is Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Can't do it, cannot cannot hearanother bar of not any of those
songs, none of them, noneof them, none of them. Because

(01:39:26):
it's like I when when I whenI went through like a Pink Floyd phase,
I mean, I like Pink Floydwhatever. I'll listen to the Dark
Side of the Moon, I Love, Wish You Were Here and some of
the other things, but I wantit was probably high school period, maybe
it was college, Like I fellhard into a Pink Floyd thing for a
time, and that was and thatwas one of the primary sort of artifacts

(01:39:51):
that came out of that was listeninglike the Wall was something that I listened
to a lot, mostly because youknow, comfortably Numb a great song.
Run Like Hell is a great song. I'm not denying that there's not great
music on there, but the storyis so goddamn depressing, and it's all
about this, this whiny rock starwho's building a wall because you didn't love

(01:40:16):
him, because he can't, hecan't relate to people anymore, and he's
he's, you know, fuck toyou, pink God, damn it,
you suck. It's so depressing andjust so I just it feels like it's
the worst attributes of Roger Waters kindof coming to the surface, and there's
none. There's none of the musicallike acumen of Dave Gilmore to kind of

(01:40:42):
balance it out. It's just Ican't it's too depressing, too whiny.
I can't argue with any of that, but I will ask this, Can
you enjoy covers of those songs byother artists? Hmmm? Uh? I
and Morrison's version of Comfortably Numb?Can you get into that? Well?

(01:41:05):
Van Morrison and I have a verycomplications. Did you guys have a love
affair? So? I was thisbrown eyed girl about another artist's cover of
another another song? I can't thinkof any right now? What about what
about Thomas Goldie's inimitable uh impressionist.That yeah, is the school teacher.

(01:41:31):
Here's here's an interesting here's a bitof trivia for you. And this is
another piece of formative musical history byHP. You're referring to The Wall Live
in Berlin after the Wall came down. Yes, of course, you know.
You know what. I can tellyou what I was doing on the
day that that concert took place.You were acting, you know what I
was throwing brick? Know where Iwas. I was at my very first

(01:41:56):
concert, and you know what concertthat was, Father Malone East Boys.
No, it was David Bowie,Oh Jesus, my very first concert.
And I remember on the way homedriving from what is now Gillette Stadium,
they were simulcasting The Wall Live inBerlin on wfn X on the way home,
so I listened to it on theway home, and I think at

(01:42:18):
that point I heard Cindy Lauper doinganother brick in the wall, and look,
I love Cindy Lauper. I thinkshe's fabulous. No, just no,
no one covered, No one coveredthemselves in glory that evening out of
Berlin. I think, Thomas,my my heart, my heart just grew

(01:42:44):
three times to its original size.That that mere man should have him to
Thomas Dolby bars discussion. He's aninteresting guy, like he has an interesting
career. He has had an interestingcareer. I fu love Thomas Dolby.
Have a bad word for him?No, I don't either, But I
like Mony. Are you picking onthat fat old drunk? I love?

(01:43:10):
I love food dance. I thinkit's I love into the mystic whatever.
I think he's a fat Doughey,mean spirited conspiracy theory you know, crank,
That's what I think of him now. But I digress so safe cross
and gets some lowery words. Butpoor Van Morrison, you're like dad,

(01:43:31):
motherfucker. I am nothing if notinconsistent. But anyway to to to wrap
up this this spit Big Floyd theWall can't listen to it ever? Again,
that's my that's my submission. Whatabout this is my favorite favorite thing?
Ever is That's a great question.That's a great question for them alone.

(01:43:54):
I wasn't expecting it, but itit triggered something deep within me.
Clearly Evidently I'm glad. I'm gonnatry to keep throwing these curveballs and get
the get that hide version of ofHP. There you go. Did you
see his eyes colored red? He'sreally mad at Pink Floyd Man. He's
really bad at Van Morrison too.You're like that fat best. I wasn't

(01:44:19):
accepting body shaming of Van Morrison.UM, but I respect it. He
deserves It's he is a dickhead.He would call you worse and he has.
That's why he's next on my lips. I don't know. I don't
know what that means. That isan excellent question, And honestly, I

(01:44:41):
had a hard time thinking of somethinguntil you mentioned the wall because because at
first, like when I think ofsong as I have to turn off that
that isn't something I've always just beenlike about. Um. I was thinking
of Suicide's Frankie Teardrop because that songis terrified and I love I love Sue
Side, but that I have tothis day, I've never finished that song

(01:45:02):
because if it makes me literally feellike and I don't believe, not to
get all religion, I'm spiritual,I don't. I don't really believe in
like classical Hell or the Satan orwhatever the Satan as we call him.
But if the Satan is real,he's gonna come up out of the floor
while you're listening to Frankie Tear Dropby Suicide. It's like terrifying. But

(01:45:26):
I love that band and I respectit. I respect that song because it's
nothing like a hate But when youtalked about The Wall, it clicked,
and not because the Wall. Iactually love The Wall and I consider it
one of my favorite big Lloyd albums. But I get it. I get
I get it because I mean,as far as something that has been played
a lot, I totally understand thatI love it. It doesn't it I

(01:45:48):
none of that has Warrenuts's welcome forme, but the Pink Floid album that
has, and if I never heardone song off of it again, I
will not miss it. Is darkside of the Man. I know,
I know, and again I getit. What people and I I loving
Floyd. I'm not a hater.Dart's Side That Meant to Me is one
of the most boring albums. Ithink it's overrated, but like I said

(01:46:12):
earlier, it's all subjective too.I mean, it's overrated for me,
but that doesn't obviously it's not goingto be overrated for a lot of people.
I will say I was at predicting. I thought I was going to
be the scamp of this episode.HP. Look at you, low key
reps callion of noise junkie. Oh, I don't know, hot take the
ghee, Like I don't know,you know, it's like it's something you

(01:46:35):
know when when Father Malone asked thatquestion in particular, I, like you,
I was, I was searching mymind, like what song? Like
you know, I have a fewthat I could, but but then just
something clicked in my head and Isaid, wait a minute. I haven't
listened to that album in years andyears and years just because it was so

(01:46:55):
and I can I can say objectivelythat it's a it's a great album.
It's produced by Bob Ezrin, it'sit's amazing, the sound is incredible,
and there's some really classic songs.But personally it was just through repetition and
through it's just a very dark,depressing album, and it's something that it's

(01:47:15):
it's not an experience that I relish, you know, experiencing over and over
and over again. At this point, it's just such a harrowing journey that
I'm I'm done with it, andlike I said, I'm not. Roger
Waters is fine whatever. But Ido think that that album, like you

(01:47:36):
know, he was going through alot he as as he does, and
I think it just embraced a lotof the worst impulses because it really grew
up. I think it. IfI remember the story correctly, he kind
of the genesis of the of thealbum was he was at some show and
he was getting into it with someaudience members and he ended up spitting on
the guy while he was playing,and that affected him and he made think

(01:48:00):
about what it meant to be arock star. And that's fine and dandy,
but I just I'm done with it. I can listen to the Dark
Side of the Moon. I don'tdisagree that it's it's not a thrill a
minute album. It's really it canbe a sort of it could be the
fish tank in the background while you'redoing other things, and I don't think
it cheapens it. But but forsure, yeah, I've it's been said,

(01:48:24):
I've said my piece, but yougot you gotta put on the Wizard
of oz Oh. Come on,you guys know you two know my heart
and still with this, it's gonnabe the Wasazar degree ah Mardarson, we
gotta have it. Put also moremotherfucking Garson Babies. I also, Wish
You Were Here would be a closesecond. I also I'm not a fan
of that album. I think it'sreally see it's funny. Everything you're saying

(01:48:44):
about The Wall, that's actually howI feel about Wish You Were Here.
I find it dreary. Um,The Wall for me is dark, but
it's a kind of dark. Iyou know, I like I can kind
of get nestled into. I thinkmore and more I'm realizing about myself though.
I mean my number one favorite memberPink Floyd to Sid Barrett, because
my absolute number one favorite album isPipe at the Gates at Dawn. That's

(01:49:09):
the one I listened to the most. I just I love it. The
Wall would be probably number two.Uh, Roger Waters, I think more
and more I prefer Water so forGilmore, and Gilmore's a phenomenal fucking guitarist.
I'm not taking anything away from him. Everybody in that band is great.
Like there's not a sore spot.What what father Mallon's making like laser
eyes at me? But what Iagreed with you about David fantastic guitarists.

(01:49:33):
That's that's all, Um, Youknow, roget Waters is just a problematic
human. But life is life isproblematic exactly. I'm not judging anybody.
Anyone's art here based in their sortof personal beliefs necessarily, Like I don't,
I don't need to like want topunch John Cougar in the face to
hate that fucking tune. And I'mnot gonna hold I'm not gonna hold Roger

(01:49:58):
Waters accountable for that album here backin like nineteen seventy eight, but for
his current political views. I agreewith you, like I think Dave Gilmore's
a fucking fantastic guitars But but thosesongs are are Roger Waters, you know,
like that yeah, And there's alot of those tunes that I can
pull out of the wall and sortof separated from the nonsense of the storyline

(01:50:18):
because who cares ultimately, like itmade a good movie, but like as
a narrative on an album, Idon't, I don't really care. But
the songs themselves are so fucking good, Oh my god, even even like
me come on, like I datea dirty woman and you got that little
part like yeah boop boop yeah hello, Like I love that shit. I

(01:50:41):
love the little phone operator and Actually, one of the last movies I like
that made me cry was when Irewatched The Wall Like but it's the scene
though, where he's a kid andit's doing Mother, which that song is
so heavy and like, I don'tanytime somebody's like seeing a dead animal or
dead pet, it just fucks withme. That's so why I don't watch
kids movies, because there's always theminute you see an animal, you know,

(01:51:03):
something stupid, it's gonna happen.Like now I'm gonna go watch it.
I'm gonna watch a movie where youknow, like Brad du you know,
drinks the blood of villagers. It'ssubspecies that that is heartwarming for me.
Oh that's you know, you gottahave priorities, say yeah, that's

(01:51:23):
especially Van Morrison apparently HP. Ikept thinking, I thought you were gonna
go somewherever. You're like, youknow, I let him some money,
that churl, that varlet we'll drinkthe black sperm of my vengeance because he
did not Van Morrison. And maybehe's a good guy. He's not expect

(01:51:45):
he's probably he's probably just a crank. But you know, I, you
know, it is what it is. I I and that I didn't like
his version of Comfortably Now, evenbefore I knew I mean, I didn't
even know who Van Morrison really wasat that time. I just saw this
sort of like, I don't know, and that was probably close to prime
time for my love of the Wall. I was probably most enamored of the

(01:52:12):
album at that time, and maybethat's why I have such a visceral reaction
to him singing it because or anyof them for that matter, because it
not. Let's be honest, noneof the covers done during that that landmark
sort of concert could pull the candleto the original album, right. I
mean, there's just no way.What about Thomas Dolby's meets Oh my God,

(01:52:32):
I'm probably Goldby school Teacher is betterthan Roger Waters school team. I'm
pulling that ship up when we getdone recording. I'm not even choking.
I need this in my veins beforeI go to bed. I have to,
you know, go into La Laland. I need Thomas seriously.
And Phil we were talking about YouTubeearlier and I had this notion in my

(01:52:55):
head, like I had this dimmemory of a song that he did,
a video he did it called Hyperactive. Oh it's a brilliant video. Yeah,
I said to myself, like,it was that song as weird as
I remember it, Like did hereally pitch his voice up like an octave?
And I said, sure enough,there it is, he did that.
It actually happened. Oh you knowwho directed that video? Me?

(01:53:16):
I was twelve, but I hadan eye. It was Falling Alone our
Noise Junkie Zone following Alone. No, it was Thomas Dolby. Oh my
god. Yeah, seriously, yeah, now he like that's that's the kind
of genius this dude is. Becauseyeah, HP, you're under percent right,
Like this man has always been oneof the most forward thinking sort of
creatives. And also for any ofyou cult film fans that might be listening

(01:53:41):
to this to our Noise Junkies episodeFather Alone and I talked about Racula with
Chris on Culture Casts. That's truewhere Thomas Delby plays a van helsing proxy.
Have you seen Racula? HP?Oh you know what, I that's
so weird. I just came acrossRacula. I didn't even I'm sure I
knew it existed, but I don'tknow one of the I think it was

(01:54:01):
actually today. This is so shaky. Yeah, I was just kind of
like going through. You know,I was half working, half going through
like other stuff, and there wasit was like Fred, you talk about
Fred, Fred Flintstone meets with Rocula, and there was something else. No,
No, we were talking about.This was a movie called Fred Flintstone

(01:54:25):
Meets Rocula and like Rockenstein or something. I'm totally serious. I thought that's
what you were talking about. God, No, there's a film from like
nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety calledRocula, just called Rocula and it's got
Dean Camera and Tony Basil or Basil. Uh, Thomas Dolby bet was it?

(01:54:47):
Was it? Beanie King? Wasit? Oh? It's worth fifty
bucks? The lead the Lates ofWire Train, which is a really good
and unjustly underrated, uh, sortof post punk new wave band from the

(01:55:08):
eighties and nineties. They opened forBob Dylan, Father Malone. I didn't
see them on tour. I've seenDylan a bunch of times, but I
want to. I want to seethe Van Morrison tour where we go with
HP and and and we do thelike sort of shitty punk thing where we're
just like fold our arms and juststaring at there and then and then at
one point, HP you look athim and do that like that eyes gestured

(01:55:30):
with your fingers like this means youmotherfucker. I go, yeah, do
a comfortably numb you. Yeah.Also, when I think of Van Morrison,
I think of two things. UmMy my boo pointed it pointed thee
years ago that um and I justlike saying that my boo, uh at
moon Dance he does this is reallydumb thing where he's like, I E

(01:55:54):
I E yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't unhear that now. I'm
like, I anticipate that that weirdthroat warble. Also, my beloved my
Luster Banks, one of my artheroes, loved astral Weeks as one of
his favorite albums, and I actuallyfound a very and I reiterate very cheap

(01:56:16):
years copy in the wild and aboutit. So I do plan on delving
into that and just to see whatLester I love luster Banks I don't,
and a graded The thing is like, you know, you don't always have
to agree with your heroes either.I mean, there was a Grateful Dead
album that Lester loved too, andI'm good on that, but um,
astral Weeks is awesome. This isthe answer to that question. It's fucking

(01:56:40):
fantastic. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, Magic, Celtic Jazz Magic.
I don't care what he became fora while there, Man oh Man
was so fucking good. Can wechange my name to Celtic Jazz Magic?
Yes? All right, gang,Well, thank you guys so much for

(01:57:02):
joining us on this inaugural episode ofNoise Junkies. We're looking forward to taking
you more and more on these variousjourneys that we were going to. We
have a lot of great episodes plannedand we're looking forward to get in the
ball further going. But in themeantime, I want to thank my illustrious

(01:57:23):
co host. I could not bethe luckiest person in the world without getting
to do a show with Father alonean HP guys, thank you so much.
Is there anything i'll go with you, Father Malone? Is there anything
you want to plug real quick?Yeah? I got a ton of shows
that I do over at Weirdingwaymedia dotcom. My newest one is Astounding Talents

(01:57:44):
of the public Domain. Those areenhanced audio performances of classics, sci fi
things, and just a lot ofother stuff. Go to Father Malone dot
com too. I have a lotof video nonsense that you might enjoy highly
highly recommend by doing that. Alsoweirding we maybe go to the YouTube,
There's Facebook, It's all over socialmedia Instagram as well. What about you

(01:58:04):
HP. First, I want tosay I really I've had a great time.
Thanks so much to both of youfor making this inaugural episode so much
fun. You can find I too, am all over weirding Way Media myself
and follow him alone. We haveseveral podcasts including Wolf and Raisin the banda

(01:58:25):
check podcast, we do a nightMister Walters, a taxi podcast. I've
I've guessed it on the Culture Castwith with both of you of course,
as well as myself and Chris andUh, I've and this this great podcast.
So go to weirding Way Media andcheck out all of all of our
cool stuff. I also I ama musician and I've did the theme song

(01:58:45):
that you guys heard and we'll hearin the outro. And I've done also
heard a bumper you heard check itout. HB made that too. That's
this is awesome about you? Me? Um well, um you can find
me over at my website Mondo Heatherdot com. Um. I am a

(01:59:09):
film culture music writer Esoteric Goddess ifyou will, so come find me over
there, and as well at socialmedia Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook.
You could look at heather drain,but be careful. There are false heather
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the weird redhead or at Mondo Heather. I'm also on Patreon, um so

(01:59:30):
look me up. But in themeantime, guys, be good to each
other, stay safe, stay spooky, and keep listening to the tunes.
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