August 15, 2025 • 44 mins
🎙️ Episode 12: Intense Feelings & Soap Opera Realness with Nomi Palmer
This week, we’re diving deep into the world of steamy paranormal drama with indie author Nomi Palmer—a self-proclaimed soap opera lover and the brilliant mind behind The Passions Series. Think Passions the TV show, but bookish, witchy, and even more addictive.
Nomi joins us to chat about her latest release, Intense Feelings, a juicy paranormal romance dripping in drama, magic, and emotional chaos—the best kind of “junk food” fiction (and we say that with love!).
We talk about her creative inspirations, including her background in Digital Media Arts, her time as a “student” on Degrassi: The Next Generation(👀), and how all of that storytelling drama translated into her own signature writing style.
From ASMR and tarot to writing with cats and kids underfoot, Nomi shares her journey as a Canadian indie author balancing real life with fictional chaos. Whether you're a longtime soap fan or just here for the vibes, this episode will definitely give you... Intense Feelings.
Join Les and Rhi for a bookish podcast where #wereaditsoyoudonthaveto. This isn’t your average book deep dive nor typical book club. We talk about everything from the ridiculous to the relatable, the dramatic to the delightfully unhinged corners of the book world. Whether it’s behind-the-scenes of our book clubs, meet-and-greets with bookish humans, or the absurd moments that make us laugh out loud—this is your invitation to a podcast where anything bookish goes. We’re just two girls who love to read, and we can’t wait to share this journey with you.
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This week, we’re diving deep into the world of steamy paranormal drama with indie author Nomi Palmer—a self-proclaimed soap opera lover and the brilliant mind behind The Passions Series. Think Passions the TV show, but bookish, witchy, and even more addictive.
Nomi joins us to chat about her latest release, Intense Feelings, a juicy paranormal romance dripping in drama, magic, and emotional chaos—the best kind of “junk food” fiction (and we say that with love!).
We talk about her creative inspirations, including her background in Digital Media Arts, her time as a “student” on Degrassi: The Next Generation(👀), and how all of that storytelling drama translated into her own signature writing style.
From ASMR and tarot to writing with cats and kids underfoot, Nomi shares her journey as a Canadian indie author balancing real life with fictional chaos. Whether you're a longtime soap fan or just here for the vibes, this episode will definitely give you... Intense Feelings.
Join Les and Rhi for a bookish podcast where #wereaditsoyoudonthaveto. This isn’t your average book deep dive nor typical book club. We talk about everything from the ridiculous to the relatable, the dramatic to the delightfully unhinged corners of the book world. Whether it’s behind-the-scenes of our book clubs, meet-and-greets with bookish humans, or the absurd moments that make us laugh out loud—this is your invitation to a podcast where anything bookish goes. We’re just two girls who love to read, and we can’t wait to share this journey with you.
No matter who you are we guarantee you will find a show (or multiple) for yourself on the Dufferin Ave Media Network! If you can't find one, start your own! We can help you with that! We're a community of passionate hosts, audio engineers, avid listeners, and day dreamers on a mission to shape the future of on-demand content together.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone, it's Less.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, it's Ree. This is not that kind of book club.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
You cut me off, bro, what are you gonna say?
I literally just like, hey, it's Less.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We always just go back and forth. I know, Okay,
we'll redo that.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This could be interesting. This could be a clip of blooper.
We have a lot, we have bloopers, right and cut.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, I'm Less and I'm Ree. This is not that
kind of book club.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
A bookish podcast for We read it so you don't
have to.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hey everyone, it's Ree and I'm Less. It's not that
kind of book club.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And here we are. It's a Monday morning, are you ree?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I am doing okay? I am aokay today we're getting
through it today.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, it's Monday, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I very much a Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's just the most mondayist Monday of all Mondays.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But fortunately we have a guest today.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We do have a guest today.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Everyone say hi to know me. I know, Hey, thanks,
welcome to the show, know Me Palmer. We're so excited
to have you here today.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And you are coming to us from just north of Toronto.
She is in Keswick. Did you say can we disclose
your location?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah? Absolutely, I'm actually doing a local author showcase here
in the fall, so we're going to know where I live.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Amazing, very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
At least we're not saying, hi, we live. She lives
at one, two three, Queen. You could go and knock
on her door between the hours of eight am and sixtym.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, if police try to show up at my
house for six they probably get eaten my coyotes out here.
So so we don't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Call the police. We call the coyote squad, yes, and
they just come and take care.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Of the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well yes, also like coyote squad.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think the coyotes squad sounds better the coyote task force.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
The task force.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeh gosh, okay, let's be more serious.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I guess yeah, it's not going to happen very much here.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
The reminder is for me, usually the most unhinged things
without thinking about it, and then after I'm like, oh
my god, did you just say that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I probably most unhinged things without thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So that is why you write and are published and
we love it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, okay, So we have a question for you. What
is the last book that you read? The book you're
currently reading, and what's next on your list?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So the last book I read, that's a good question.
It was a romance novel, but I can't remember what
it was. I've been reading through some old harlequins that
I have just for like inspiration, and I think it's
called Silver Bells. It's like this couple gets trapped in
a cabin at Christmas. Yes it is, and you know
(03:24):
they are enemies to lovers and it's quite entertaining. So
that was the last one I read currently, Yes, Silver Bells.
Currently alpha reading for my author friend Kevin Wayne. I'm
reading his second book in his trilogy, the Rising Sun Trilogy,
really great series. And next I have another Christmas book
(03:47):
I got for Christmas that I haven't read yet from
my cousin and it's sitting right over there and I
can't remember what. It's called Christmas Heist or something like that,
but I'm looking forward to I love Christmas romance.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So I was just going to say, on top your opinion,
I hate Christmas books.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Like God two ends of the spectrum here love you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So two years ago we had a Christmas book exchange
and I wrapped up like twenty books put them under
the tree, and other people came. They took a book,
everyone unwrapped it. It was kind of like a white
elephant Christmas. And me because I did it all, I
was like, I don't really care what I get. And
at the end, I like opened it up and I
(04:29):
got the one Christmas book that I wrapped, the one
Christmas book, and I was like, of course a lassie
gets the Christmas books. She's never going to read this,
so I had to like put it. Well, I didn't
have to, but I put it back and somebody else
took it home. But I was like, only God, what's
the likelihood the one person who doesn't like Christmas romance
got the Christmas romance? M h Yeah, typical Murphy's law.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah all the time. Okay, read reading.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
To read read. What is the last thing I read?
I think Problematic Summer Romance. I just finished, just like
an easy romance book. Alli Hazelwood. Yeah, it was pretty good.
I listened to it as an audiobook, which was nice.
Currently reading The Retirement Plan by Sue Hintsenbergs, which is hilarious,
(05:18):
and then next up is going to be the Wall
of Winnipeg and me Marianna's Patta. We've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
One before, yes, yes, yes, yeah, I think I said
this one last week I or the week before whatever
it was. That book. I loved it, loved it so much.
Sorry popular opinion, but it's an accurate opinion. I loved it.
I'm sorry. Okay, what are you reading?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What have you read?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay? So the last book I read, I just got
back from the Caribbean and I was on the beach
reading this book and I was like, man, people are
going to walk by be like, what's wrong with this chick?
But I was reading Satanic Shadows.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so intense for a beach read.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
By Lee Rivers, who like writes pretty intense books. It
was really good. It ended on a cliffhanger, though, and
I was like, damn it. I never read books that
end on a cliffhanger. They just make me mad. But
I did it. Anyways. Currently, I'm listening to Binding thirteen.
I finished Binding thirteen. That's a lie. I'm listening to
(06:29):
Keeping thirteen now, which is the second book, and I'm
just over. I'm about three quarters of the way. And guys,
this book series tears out your heart strings a little
bit and then the next book that I'm reading, I
wrote it down because I knew exactly what book I
was going to be reading, and I lost it just
(06:52):
got home to me.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Did I burn out? I couldn't remember?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I hate. I hate when I can't remember things, Like
it actually makes me so irritated. It's going to come
and randomly halfway through this episode, I'm just going to
scream out a book and be like, that's what I
said I was going to read.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know what I think.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I know you're going to find it on good Readings. No,
there we go.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, No, it's gonna hurt me if I don't like
that's so fair?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do you use a book track or know me?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I don't. Obviously I don't even remember what books I've
read this year. But like I say, like I read
a lot of Harlequins and like old school romance because
it's the right like meat that I need to like
put in my system to write what I write. So
I just need that, like can'ty you know, old school
(07:48):
romance kind of charm. And there's I have like favorites
that I'll read read a hundred times. But yeah, I
don't actually use good reads or anything. I have a
good Reads like for like my self, not minmiself, and
it just sits there. I put like a rating system
in and everything, but I don't use.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It fair enough. It is work to keep it updated.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, it totally is. It's like a like a blog.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yep, seriously, but I'm addicted to updating it. I'm like enters,
I'm at this page number because I like seeing that
I'm at like fifty seven percent done. And then again
and I check my reading goal and it's like, you
are twelve books behind, and I'm like, still, I've read
like four more books and I'm still twelve books behind. Whichever,
(08:33):
It's fine, But Sarah Kate madam.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Mad madam, Okay, that's what you're gonna read. Yeah, okay, cool,
very nice.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
All right, bread and butter, let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Let's get into it. Know me, Who are you? Where
are you from? Tell us all about you? Give us
the quick synopsis.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I want to know who know me?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is? Who am I? Well? I am a mother. I
am the daughter of a Christian minister, which is why
I go buy a pen name. I actually recently just
told my parents. I hadn't told them anything for like
three or four years that I was doing this, and
(09:18):
I just thought i'd be disowned. Yeah, you would not
want anything to do with me, because you know, my
mom doesn't even say like crap like she does like
no swearing, nothing like that. You wait till you're married. Meanwhile,
I'm writing about all kinds of stuff going on with
demons and whatever, and I was just like, I don't
think you guys want to be a part of this.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But the Passions series, yes, yeah, it's not like it
was going to make a Passions joke for flicism, but
I'm not. Everyone knows what it's not even a joke.
You just know what I was going to say with
me having to say it, Yeah, I'm not going to
(09:59):
say it. Read between the lines.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, but yeah I told them. And they're actually really
supportive and happy. They're not happy with the content, but
they're happy that I'm doing well. And so I grew
up really Christian, really conservative, and then now I'm kind
of exploring not being so Christian and conservative through my
writing and cool. Yeah, I really live on a farm
(10:24):
in Keswick. Watch out for the coyotes. And yeah, right
now I'm not working. I was working at a child
psychology clinic. I got laid off earlier this year, so
I've been able to really dedicate my time to being
an author full time, and it's been awesome. I've had
a lot of great opportunities pop up, like you guys
and other things, and I'm just happy to be spending
(10:47):
my time doing my author thing while I can, while
my kids are home from school, and then I'll probably
go back to work in the fall. But it's been
a nice summer off kind of to just focus on writing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, I have two follow up questions. Yeah, one child
psychology clinic. What did you do?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I was the office manager.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Nice. Nice, I'm educational psychologist in training. We'll say, oh,
so that is intrigued me. And then the second one,
you say, you're on a farm. Do you have animals
on your farm?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, good, I also really wanted to know that.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So the farm we live on, we actually just rent
the house from the farm the farmer people. They grow
a lot of vegetables, but we do have a lot
of wildlife. Like I say, we have coyotes. We don't
have any farm animals, but there's a bald eagle family
that lives close by. We watch them fish because we're
right by the lakes. Cool, we see like osprey. There
were some cranes really tall, big like dinosaur looking cranes
(11:47):
that used to come by in the spring. And it's
nice for bird watching. I'll say that. I feel like
I'm like sixty five years old.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But okay, you've got a like really wide array of birds.
But you know, on Saskatoon we've got geese.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, we've got geese, lots of them. Yeah. Yeah, you
can't drive, yeah you can wait.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And they're so mean. Back to the farm question, I'm
not gonna lie to you. The first thing coming into
my brain I was like, oh my god, if she
has cows and then there's coyotes, I'm like, oh my god,
it's barnyard where like the coyotes come to kill the chickens,
and then like the cows are just in the yard
and like, you know, have you ever seen barnyard?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I have not, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But I like this. I like your Little Sea.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Have to send you the like we need like match
up the movie and you like, go watch it. You
will understand what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh man, amazing, amazing. Well, it's like dive into some
like book queues here. Yeah, bookish, bookish questions.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
We love bookish questions.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right into it. So start with your first novel. What
was the first spark for Controlled Burn? Was it characters,
the emotional themes, a specific scene, like what was Yeah,
the first spark. That's kind of punny too.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So I used to be really really fit. I'm not
so much anymore, but I used to be. And I
would go running every night for about ten kilometers, and
I would listen to music the whole time, because what
else are you gonna do while you're out running for
ten kilometers? And there was this song that kept playing
(13:34):
on my iPod because it was a while ago. And
it's called Knock three Times. It's like an oldie but
it's like knock three times on the ceiling if you
want me. And it's about this girl who lives in
the basement. Yeah, and so there is no hard but no.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But I love your karaoke. Please keep going, Rianna to
my Spotify.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I know you need to educate yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I do. I really damtinue.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So I would listen to this oldie and I was like,
this is such great fodder for like a like a
rom com. And then I wrote the most devastatingly depressing
book we've ever known. But it started with the spark
was a girl lives in the basement apartment and a
guy lives above her, And that was literally what I
(14:26):
had to start with. I was just like, Yeah, I
want them to like the enemy still lovers and she
lives beneath him. They're in the same house, they're renting.
They're in their twenties, they're you know, younger, but they've
both they're both a little bit damaged in their own way.
And then it kind of just went from there.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I love it all right, all right, Okay, So you've
described Intense Feelings as a literary junk food in the
best possible way. What inspired you to lean into the
soap opera style for this series?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Passions?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And TV shows?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
The TV show Passions from Stop It, Yep It from
nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and eight, Little Timmy, Tabitha,
the Witch, the whole Crew, Passion.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think I just love your series so much more.
Oh my god. I used to watch that at my
grandparents' house and then I went to a man and
she's like, why are you watching this trash? So I
was like, no, it's it's so good. I just remember
the Great Flood.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, oh I remember everything. Like if you want to
have like a deep dive into Passions, don't don't test
me because I know it all.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But watch all it now, which a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Lot of it is on YouTube, just just saying it.
And I made my husband watch a lot of it
because he's my editor. So I was like, you have
to know what you're editing. You got to dive into
this show. So he's watched a lot of Passions now too,
and he thanks me for it actually, because it's so good.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Is really good.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's just addictive. It's like crack. And then I went
to school for Digital Media Arts, so I did film
and television for a little while. I worked on De
Grassy The Next Generation. Yes, I met Drake several times.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh I don't even care about Drake. I'm sorry. Let's
go back. You worked on De Grassy like that is
like my bread and butter of a show growing up.
Oh my gosh, so she yes, I love to Grassy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I can send you a clip after of all the
scenes you can see me in on De.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Grassy absolutely please.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yes, I was just an extra, so I was just
wandering around pretending to be a student, but an extra.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
She says on de Grassy, like this beautiful, like Canadian
grassroots TV show, just an extra hitting me. Yeah, de grassy.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah it's filmed in Toronto, or it was filmed in Toronto. Yeah,
yeah nice.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I mean I watched it. I mean Heartland was filmed
in Alberta.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, high River, there you go, High River suck.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, it's suck. So I worked in film and television
for a little while and I was like, I love it.
I love the work, but the environment isn't good for
my mental health because it was like the longest day
I worked was thirty two hours, which is more than
a day.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's not even a day at that point, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
More than a day.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And like you're not sleeping, you're just curled up in
like a chair and like an auditorium and eating white
bread and peanut butter. And I'm like this and you
saw this sucks. I don't know about this full time,
but I really loved the idea of creating my own
TV show. And I didn't have a studio or actors,
but I had my fingers in my brain. So I
(17:57):
wrote a.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Book amazing, very amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So that's where the soap opera it came from. Passions,
and also where it really started was before I actually
wrote the book. I wrote a Sims story with the
based on passions, with all the characters from intense feelings.
That was what I had at the time. I was
like twenty one, and I just took pictures of the
(18:24):
Sims and scripted it and wrote it out like it
was a TV show. Everyone told me, they said, you know,
you need to turn this into something real, not just
a stupid Sims story. This is really good. So I
It took me a long time to me, like over
a decade, but I finally novelized it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm very nerdy.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I love that. Hey, you know what it's all going
to start somewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Hey. But yeah, SIMS three or SIMS four, Well, I'm old,
So it was actually SIMS two.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I don't even remember Sims too.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, I probably because I remember remember when SIMS three
came out, so I must have known SIMS two. I
don't know. Yes, I love Sims and.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
She was older. Yeah, but it was just what I
had at the time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
My name is Alessia I'm twenty nine years old and
I love to play SIMS.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yes, I love SIMS still. I'm actually looking forward to Paralyzed,
But moving on.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I'm I get so excited when the grim Reaper comes
in SIMS because I killed my person just as a
it's a good times in SIMS. It's like so fat,
it's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And no, I'm not like there's just a little bit
of a psychopath and Sims there.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
What's the word when you like letting fires?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Romania?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Romania.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm not gonna lie. Do you know what came to
my brain? And I didn't want to say it, but
now I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Say it. Maybe I shouldn't, now you have to God.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The first thing that came to my brain was necrophiliac.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And I was like, oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Definitely not that.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's not it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I was like kleptomaniac. I was like, no, that's stealing.
What's that one? The pyromaniac? There we go, there it is.
I'm just a Sims pyromaniac.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Oh my gosh, Okay. Do you ever base characters or
situations on real people or real life events, or do
you prefer to create, create entirely from imagination or kind
of based off passions or things that you've seen in television.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I base my characters completely just on their own identities,
like their own selves. I don't write based on real
life people. The only thing I've ever taken from real
life was when I was writing anything to do with
addiction or alcoholism. I do have people in my life
who suffer from addiction and alcoholism, so I know that
(21:02):
like firsthand as an outsider, like how it is for
the support system to be dealing with someone with those
kind of issues, and being so close to certain people
in my life who have those issues, I know what
it's like from their perspective as well. So I'll take
that kind of real life motivation and put it into
the story. But I wouldn't say, like, oh, this character
(21:24):
is based on like my brother or my you know,
my uncle or whatever. It's like certain pieces of them
might be in there, but it's not their personality so
much as like that kind of issue. Also, grief, I've
had a lot of loss in my life, so I
feel like I can write grief from a really genuine,
pure kind of standpoint of from myself. But again, I'm
(21:46):
not writing about the grief I experienced, just like it's
my way of being able to connect to grief and
give it to whoever whatever character needs it. If that
makes sense, well, And.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I feel like you're able to kind of you're able
to write about emotions that you have felt or somebody
else has felt without it actually being based off of them.
There's a difference to me in terms of like emotions
and experiences like that people have gone through versus I'm
basing a character off of Rihanna, like this is yeah,
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base it off of her. No, I'm going to base
it off of maybe her and I went through something
very tragic together and like we kind of built that
friendship on it, and grief and whatever it is, you
can use that emotion and that experience to shape something.
It's kind of what I'm getting at, And I feel
like if I were to write a book, I feel
like that's kind of the take I would go for,
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rather than this is based off of my mom.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, I think I don't know. For me,
it would just be a little too personal to actually
base characters off real people. Names I steal all the time.
My favorite place is to steal for this series are
obviously passions. Like now that you know, you're going to
see the passions names Pepper throughout this series, Like we
have an ivy alistair, Like there's just like a good
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cloth of them in there. Also, this one's kind of
matches the theme of my books, I guess. But I
get names from cemeteries. I go. I go to cemeteries
for fun that we go for walks.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Orry my family, we go to cemeteries for fun.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't know else to say it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean, good on you.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They can be a joyful place. They can be really
pretty with these flowers, useful, I super peaceful.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I went to New Orleans and let's go on a
cemetery tour and I was like, I'm sorry what? And
I remember getting off the bus and there's like just
the concrete path and I'm standing here and it's just
a bunch of crips and I'm like, I'm sorry, how
is this fun? I don't like this? And then the
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tour guide proceeds to tell you the like most absurd
stories of it, and I'm like, yeah, no, I really
don't like this. I would like to go back to
the bus.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Please, But there's great names on the headstones if you
take a minute.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yes, okay, wait, but another spooky thing in this graveyard.
I'm not gonna lie. One of the first crips that
I saw, it was actually my grandpa's last name, and
like it's an Italian last name, and all you see
is like Frank Delfonso And you're like, I want to
go back to the bus now, all right, go ahead. No.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I was just gonna ask. You know, if you go
to cemeteries and you collect from different series, are there
a couple names right now that you're holding on to
that you want to use?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
There are, But I'm always so bad on that when
you put me on this spot.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
There was a name I just had the other day
and I was like, I'm gonna use I just named
a character Miel, like honey in French. Oh, and that
kind of came to me and I was like, oh,
I like that name. And that name I got from
a YouTuber who I used to watch and her name
was Meel. But I was just like, yeah, I mean
I could do a meal. I think that's really pretty.
And now I kind of want to give her more
to do because she has a pretty name.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
She's honey and like sweet as honey.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, yeah, vampire.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Maybe she's not sweet as honey. It could be a
little bit sweet and tan like your blood red, honey,
don't ask what color our dye is?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay. So your stories include obviously
popular romance tropes, enemies to lovers, only one bed, Forbidden Love,
faded mates. Yet they feel really fresh. So how do
you approach making familiar tropes your own kind of Which
(25:57):
tropes in your book do you think readers were spawn
to the most, and what's your personal favorite trope?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So I think the way I keep it fresh is
actually to go old school, like I was talking about
it at the beginning, is reading the old school Harlequins.
Nobody's reading those, nobody remembers them, so they feel new.
They feel like like it's brand new, especially to like
gen Z, Like they're not going to be picking up
silver bells from nineteen eighty three by Joanna Miller or whatever. No,
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not Joanna, that's her up there. But anyway, so like
they're just like they're not gravitating towards that. So it's
these kind of like almost they lean towards aggressive a
little bit especially like the Enemy still Lovers, which I
always saw is funny, but now like that's a really
big deal. People like their men like dominant and aggressive,
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and I'm like, whoa, yeah, I can do that. But yeah,
I think it's like keeping it at school and like
revisiting from passions and stuff. Like a lot of people
ask me, even what is a soap opera? So I
have to kind of explain to them while it's like,
you know, think of like Pretty Little Liars or Gray's Anatomy.
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But it was on in the day after the Price
is right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, it was really after soap opera.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Victor Newman, Victor Newman, Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'll go to the nursing home and be like, who's
that and then we'll be like, oh, that's Billy, And
I'm like, that's Billy. He had a different actor like
a month ago, but it's the same guy.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah. That's a common thing. That's a common thing on
you be aging up too, which is what I did
between book one and two, And people hated that, like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The fact that kids grow up in like a month
and then their parents stay the same age the whole time.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, so that's what I try to accomplish with my jump,
with my time jump. I love it to keep everybody
super sexy. But yeah, it's been twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, So then to dive into this one too. So
soap operas, the storytelling kind of thrives on secrets and
betrayal and romance and dramatic reveals. So do you tend
to map these out in advance? Do you plan them
ahead of time or do you kind of let them
I don't know, like develop organically and just grow from
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the story as you're moving through it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's a really good mix, I definitely so. I just
made it in the process of filming a YouTube video
where I explain my entire process. But it starts with
a character sheet. I write down, you know, everybody's name,
what they look like, personality traits, how they're related to
each other, if they have any sort of magic abilities.
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Then I move on to plotting out the main points
I want to hit in each act. Then I move
on to a chapter outline, which serves as like my
rough draft, and I will basically I write it very casually,
like if anyone read these notes, they'd be like, what
are these things? Don't make any sense. It's just me
being really off the cuff and just quickly writing down
(29:15):
what the kind of idea I want for the chapter
where I want it to go, and then I actually
start writing it, and I leave room for, you know,
something spontaneous to enter the chat, so to speak. But
I do have to really craft like the skeleton of
the story, or else it would be a hot mess.
(29:37):
It would be like Swiss cheese. It would be so
full of holes. Like I have to. I have to
know the basic storyline and then I leave room for
spontaneity to happen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, that yeah checks out. Like I have not really
ever written a story besides creative writing class, but I
kind of like your, uh, the way that you go
about it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
See, I was so good at like character development that
I would like, focus so hard, and then I'd get
to the second character and I'm like, man, the first
character was really really thought out. I'm tired now, and
then I forget all about it. Yeah, I'm like, oh,
I wrote a character Okay, whoops.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, adhd.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm diagnosed at that point.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I also have to keep I have to keep notes everywhere,
so I have notes on my phone, notes on my computer,
I have physical notebooks, notes galore, and I have what
I call the four toed notes, which is a throwback
to Lost, which they had a statue and Lost that
only had four toes and they never explained it. It
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was this big deal, never explained it. So I'm like,
I can't have a four toad statue in my story.
I have to have like everything needs to be explained.
So as I'm writing, I edit, which a lot of
people frown, but I have to or else I feel
like it would be way too confusing. So I edit
as I go, and I calumb through, and I'm like, oh,
I mentioned, you know the star drops. Can't forget about
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those small scratch those down on my four toed notes
so that they circle back at some point. It's not
just a random one off that I've mentioned, these really
important star drops that never go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
M I love it. Four toes, four toes, four toes
why unknown?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well never know, Thanks Damon Lindola.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That meaning is lost to me.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah. Amen, Well should we do some fun rapid fire
questions here? M hmm, rapid fire for you know me? Okay, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Get like five seconds answer. It's got to be like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
As quick ass. You want me just to them all
off whatever you'd like, Okay, we'll just go.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Also have like ones off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Okay, we'll just go then, Yeah, we'll just go all right.
Favorite villain.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of all time or of mine, of yours Ethan Ethan Sterling.
He doesn't start out as a villain. He doesn't start
out as a villain, but he becomes one, and I
would leave my husband for him. Don't tell him I
said that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Your secret is say it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Don't listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, just skip through that section.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, okay, So least favorite trope or a trope that
you will never write about.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He's very true. I don't really have any. I like
all of them because I'm writing a soap opera, so
I need as many as I can get. I was
a little hesitant to right age gap, but I did it.
So I don't think I really have a least favorite.
There's ones I'm a little nervous of, but I'm I'm
testing them of myself, Like I've got a female dom
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in the next book, which I never thought it right,
But here we go.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, I like that. Okay, trope that you could write
a hundred times and never get tired of.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Enemies to Lovers. I mean, now I'm Saz, but I'm
writing I'm writing Lovers to Enemies now in the fourth book,
and I'm super super excited about that one.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Interesting one. Yep, Okay, this one kind of seems redundant,
So maybe i'll like rephrase this. If you could like
cast your book as a TV show and you can't
use anyone from the original series, who would you cast
a summers of Oh my god, who would you cast
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as some of your characters?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean, Devlyn was heavily based on Damon Salvatore from
The Vampire Diaries. Like the vibe, but like the eye color,
the hair color, so like a younger Ian summerholder. But
time has passed, so I don't know if it's cast.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Like back then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I named Nina after Nina Dobrav. You can't tell.
It was really into the Vampire Diarise.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That's one of my like go to like rewatch series.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's a good I love it. It's so good. But yeah,
someone like like Nina Dobra for Nina with like long
brown hair, classically pretty, you know, willowy, I would I
would love to know who I would cast as Chloe
and Callista. I don't know, Like, do you guys have
any ideas who you would casts them?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
With this one?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I like, I need someone like who's got that crazy
edge but like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, would you go for a redhead like Isla Fisher?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah? Maybe I was gonna say, like I like been
visioning like almost like euphoria where you have those like
girls that are like they're pretty but they can be psycho.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes, yeah, exactly, maybe Sidney Seen Like.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, that's where I was going. I was like some
Sydney Sweeney who like she can be a little bit
of the like he's like the little bit of the
I don't want to say the dumb character. Yeah, a
little bit like ooh, and she's like super pretty and
like super out of it, but if she needs to
be mean, she is mean.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
She's coo yes, yep, yeah for sure. So yeah, the
only one I know. Oh and for Ethan, I would
cast Adricelva.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh yep, I like that my heart.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
That one I know for sure. But those are the
only ones I really have that I've that I've thought
of are just really Devilin and Ethan. It's hard for
me because I have such specific images of them in
my mind, and then I'm like who and I who
looks enough like you? And also I don't know as
many young actors.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think it's harder when you have an image in
your head to cast someone rather than like creating a
character based off of someone.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So okay, read to you.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, one book boyfriend girlfriend from any author's work that
you would steal for your series.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh Quinn, Now no one knows probably who this is.
In the Sookie Stackhouse books, there was one of her
boyfriends was named Quinn. He was like six foot four, black,
bald head, could turn into a tiger head, purple eyes.
I was like, you need to stay with Quinn. You
need to be with Quinn forever. We'll get the vampires.
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This is the Sookie Stackhos series.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The True Blood books, True Blood Okay someone a yeah
club has been reading these?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah that The Rainbow books up behind me are the
entire series. It's another huge inspo for me is the
True Blood books. I not the so much the show.
The show got me into the books, but the books
are like my favorite books ever so definitely Quinn would
be He's I have a lot of actually black characters
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with purple eyes. All goes back to him.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
He really impacted me.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, as you know, like you've watched the op operas, clearly, yes,
what is one of the most dramatic twists you've ever
seen on screen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well, that's a that's a big The first one that
comes to mind is when so there was a love
triangle between Louise, Sheridan and his ex girlfriend from high school, Beth,
and Beth wanted to get rid of Sheridan and take
Louise for her own, but Sheridan was pregnant with Louise's baby,
so she put Sheridan. She drugged her and kept her
locked up in a hole in her basement, and stole
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the baby when it was born. This is what my
books are based off.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I love this, stealing babies, hitting people in holes.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
But I'm not even like you, Like, she was dressed
as a clown when she was like dealing with Sheridan,
so Sheridon would know who she was, and she thought
she was kidnapped by like a psycho clown, and she
was on drugs and yeah, that was really my favorite.
One of my favorite plot twist plotlines was when Beth
pretended to be pregnant stool Sheridan's baby. It was a
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whole thing that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I remember this, like I'm dead serious, I like actually
remember this because.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like in your core, like like how can it
not be so good?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But like there are some moments even from like Young
the rest Us that I'm like, oh my god, like
I will never forget this because yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
They just may go there, they're sore.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yep, Okay, So to wrap it up, rap it fire
here quick. So that perfectly captures the vibe of the
Passion series.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I mean, other than the Passion's theme song.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, I know, that's like all I really have. That's
a hard one. If anyone can find me a song
that encapsulates the entire series, I'd love to hear it,
because I struggle with this. I can find songs for
couples and characters and like a general vibe for the book,
which is usually classical music, but as far as a
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theme song for Passions, it would have to be the
Passion's theme song. Right now, I don't have another. I
don't have a better answer.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Agree. Do you know what the Passion's theme song is?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I do not hold on.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I play it in the opening of my YouTube videos.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Are you going to play it? Right now?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I how to find the right one though?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You look at Passions opening long long version.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yes, okay, it's kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
She's laughing at me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
No, it's good, it's good. No.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Delications in intense feelings and immortal passions are lyrics from
that song.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Ooh, okay, we got to tie it all in. I
like that.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I tell you the second you said it was based
off of like Passions, everything just kind of like clicked
in my brain and I'm like, oh my god, I
love this more right now?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Now where do I find uh Passions series?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
To watch?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
YouTube?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Rihanna, you're ready for date night?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, we're gonna be watching some YouTube.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Oh you will not regret it.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You'll have to watch the whole Shenanigans with Sheridan and
the baby.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I'm going to have to amazing. Okay, So if people
want to find you, know me, what is the best
way to find you on the Great Wide Web of
the Internet. What the heck I Web of the the
World Wide web.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh my gosh, I am most active on Instagram. No
me palmer author is that is my handle pretty much everywhere.
I'm also trying to be active on TikTok, but it
is so much work and I'm just doing my best
over there. My website is Nomi palmeruthor dot com and yeah,
(41:44):
that's pretty much where I'm all. I'm on threads as well,
No me palmer author, but Instagram you'll find me. They're
the most.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
We love Instagram.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yes, yes, we also love plannable, who hosts posts for
me on Instagram hashtag will please sponsor me?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Amazing? Well know me. Thank you so much for joining
us today. We are very grateful that you came on
as a podcast and we're willing to talk about your
books and all things soap opera drama with us.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yes, I hope you had fun. Thank you for having
I know we had fun and you get to hear
my unhinged random thoughts about barnyards and coyote passport and
you know lost, I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm just happy to find more passion stands because you're
my people. You know what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It was so good, and then I'd remember I'd go home,
and my mom would be like, your grandmother, let you
watch that, and I was like, well, actually no, I
watched it with my grandpa. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yes, my grandpa watched Passions with me. That's amazing and
I'm not mad about it. It was great, he would laugh.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh, it was so much fun. My best friend when
I was thirteen, she got me hooked on two things,
passions and diet coke.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I'm still fridge cigarette. I love, yes, love fridge cigarette.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Okay again, thank you so much. We loved having you
and we love to talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Same. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Have a good one you.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
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die coke.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I don't want to diet coke. I want a real coke.
Oh no, no, no diet cool sponsors.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
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Speaker 3 (43:44):
Up sponsor me.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
What a lovely, lovely day, What a lovely episode. Thanks
to all of our lovely listeners people watching tuning in.
We love you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
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Hey, everyone, it's Less.
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I very much a Monday.
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It's just the most mondayist Monday of all Mondays.
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But fortunately we have a guest today.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We do have a guest today.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Everyone say hi to know me. I know, Hey, thanks,
welcome to the show, know Me Palmer. We're so excited
to have you here today.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And you are coming to us from just north of Toronto.
She is in Keswick. Did you say can we disclose
your location?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah? Absolutely, I'm actually doing a local author showcase here
in the fall, so we're going to know where I live.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Amazing, very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
At least we're not saying, hi, we live. She lives
at one, two three, Queen. You could go and knock
on her door between the hours of eight am and sixtym.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, if police try to show up at my
house for six they probably get eaten my coyotes out here.
So so we don't.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Call the police. We call the coyote squad, yes, and
they just come and take care.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Of the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well yes, also like coyote squad.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think the coyotes squad sounds better the coyote task force.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
The task force.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeh gosh, okay, let's be more serious.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I guess yeah, it's not going to happen very much here.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
The reminder is for me, usually the most unhinged things
without thinking about it, and then after I'm like, oh
my god, did you just say that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I probably most unhinged things without thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So that is why you write and are published and
we love it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, okay, So we have a question for you. What
is the last book that you read? The book you're
currently reading, and what's next on your list?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So the last book I read, that's a good question.
It was a romance novel, but I can't remember what
it was. I've been reading through some old harlequins that
I have just for like inspiration, and I think it's
called Silver Bells. It's like this couple gets trapped in
a cabin at Christmas. Yes it is, and you know
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they are enemies to lovers and it's quite entertaining. So
that was the last one I read currently, Yes, Silver Bells.
Currently alpha reading for my author friend Kevin Wayne. I'm
reading his second book in his trilogy, the Rising Sun Trilogy,
really great series. And next I have another Christmas book
(03:47):
I got for Christmas that I haven't read yet from
my cousin and it's sitting right over there and I
can't remember what. It's called Christmas Heist or something like that,
but I'm looking forward to I love Christmas romance.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So I was just going to say, on top your opinion,
I hate Christmas books.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Like God two ends of the spectrum here love you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So two years ago we had a Christmas book exchange
and I wrapped up like twenty books put them under
the tree, and other people came. They took a book,
everyone unwrapped it. It was kind of like a white
elephant Christmas. And me because I did it all, I
was like, I don't really care what I get. And
at the end, I like opened it up and I
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got the one Christmas book that I wrapped, the one
Christmas book, and I was like, of course a lassie
gets the Christmas books. She's never going to read this,
so I had to like put it. Well, I didn't
have to, but I put it back and somebody else
took it home. But I was like, only God, what's
the likelihood the one person who doesn't like Christmas romance
got the Christmas romance? M h Yeah, typical Murphy's law.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah all the time. Okay, read reading.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
To read read. What is the last thing I read?
I think Problematic Summer Romance. I just finished, just like
an easy romance book. Alli Hazelwood. Yeah, it was pretty good.
I listened to it as an audiobook, which was nice.
Currently reading The Retirement Plan by Sue Hintsenbergs, which is hilarious,
(05:18):
and then next up is going to be the Wall
of Winnipeg and me Marianna's Patta. We've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
One before, yes, yes, yes, yeah, I think I said
this one last week I or the week before whatever
it was. That book. I loved it, loved it so much.
Sorry popular opinion, but it's an accurate opinion. I loved it.
I'm sorry. Okay, what are you reading?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What have you read?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay? So the last book I read, I just got
back from the Caribbean and I was on the beach
reading this book and I was like, man, people are
going to walk by be like, what's wrong with this chick?
But I was reading Satanic Shadows.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's so intense for a beach read.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
By Lee Rivers, who like writes pretty intense books. It
was really good. It ended on a cliffhanger, though, and
I was like, damn it. I never read books that
end on a cliffhanger. They just make me mad. But
I did it. Anyways. Currently, I'm listening to Binding thirteen.
I finished Binding thirteen. That's a lie. I'm listening to
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Keeping thirteen now, which is the second book, and I'm
just over. I'm about three quarters of the way. And guys,
this book series tears out your heart strings a little
bit and then the next book that I'm reading, I
wrote it down because I knew exactly what book I
was going to be reading, and I lost it just
(06:52):
got home to me.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Did I burn out? I couldn't remember?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I hate. I hate when I can't remember things, Like
it actually makes me so irritated. It's going to come
and randomly halfway through this episode, I'm just going to
scream out a book and be like, that's what I
said I was going to read.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know what I think.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I know you're going to find it on good Readings. No,
there we go.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, No, it's gonna hurt me if I don't like
that's so fair?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Do you use a book track or know me?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I don't. Obviously I don't even remember what books I've
read this year. But like I say, like I read
a lot of Harlequins and like old school romance because
it's the right like meat that I need to like
put in my system to write what I write. So
I just need that, like can'ty you know, old school
(07:48):
romance kind of charm. And there's I have like favorites
that I'll read read a hundred times. But yeah, I
don't actually use good reads or anything. I have a
good Reads like for like my self, not minmiself, and
it just sits there. I put like a rating system
in and everything, but I don't use.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It fair enough. It is work to keep it updated.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, it totally is. It's like a like a blog.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yep, seriously, but I'm addicted to updating it. I'm like enters,
I'm at this page number because I like seeing that
I'm at like fifty seven percent done. And then again
and I check my reading goal and it's like, you
are twelve books behind, and I'm like, still, I've read
like four more books and I'm still twelve books behind. Whichever,
(08:33):
It's fine, But Sarah Kate madam.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Mad madam, Okay, that's what you're gonna read. Yeah, okay, cool,
very nice.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
All right, bread and butter, let's go.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Let's get into it. Know me, Who are you? Where
are you from? Tell us all about you? Give us
the quick synopsis.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I want to know who know me?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is? Who am I? Well? I am a mother. I
am the daughter of a Christian minister, which is why
I go buy a pen name. I actually recently just
told my parents. I hadn't told them anything for like
three or four years that I was doing this, and
(09:18):
I just thought i'd be disowned. Yeah, you would not
want anything to do with me, because you know, my
mom doesn't even say like crap like she does like
no swearing, nothing like that. You wait till you're married. Meanwhile,
I'm writing about all kinds of stuff going on with
demons and whatever, and I was just like, I don't
think you guys want to be a part of this.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But the Passions series, yes, yeah, it's not like it
was going to make a Passions joke for flicism, but
I'm not. Everyone knows what it's not even a joke.
You just know what I was going to say with
me having to say it, Yeah, I'm not going to
(09:59):
say it. Read between the lines.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yes, but yeah I told them. And they're actually really
supportive and happy. They're not happy with the content, but
they're happy that I'm doing well. And so I grew
up really Christian, really conservative, and then now I'm kind
of exploring not being so Christian and conservative through my
writing and cool. Yeah, I really live on a farm
(10:24):
in Keswick. Watch out for the coyotes. And yeah, right
now I'm not working. I was working at a child
psychology clinic. I got laid off earlier this year, so
I've been able to really dedicate my time to being
an author full time, and it's been awesome. I've had
a lot of great opportunities pop up, like you guys
and other things, and I'm just happy to be spending
(10:47):
my time doing my author thing while I can, while
my kids are home from school, and then I'll probably
go back to work in the fall. But it's been
a nice summer off kind of to just focus on writing.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, I have two follow up questions. Yeah, one child
psychology clinic. What did you do?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I was the office manager.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Nice. Nice, I'm educational psychologist in training. We'll say, oh,
so that is intrigued me. And then the second one,
you say, you're on a farm. Do you have animals
on your farm?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Okay, good, I also really wanted to know that.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So the farm we live on, we actually just rent
the house from the farm the farmer people. They grow
a lot of vegetables, but we do have a lot
of wildlife. Like I say, we have coyotes. We don't
have any farm animals, but there's a bald eagle family
that lives close by. We watch them fish because we're
right by the lakes. Cool, we see like osprey. There
were some cranes really tall, big like dinosaur looking cranes
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that used to come by in the spring. And it's
nice for bird watching. I'll say that. I feel like
I'm like sixty five years old.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But okay, you've got a like really wide array of birds.
But you know, on Saskatoon we've got geese.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, we've got geese, lots of them. Yeah. Yeah, you
can't drive, yeah you can wait.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And they're so mean. Back to the farm question, I'm
not gonna lie to you. The first thing coming into
my brain I was like, oh my god, if she
has cows and then there's coyotes, I'm like, oh my god,
it's barnyard where like the coyotes come to kill the chickens,
and then like the cows are just in the yard
and like, you know, have you ever seen barnyard?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I have not, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But I like this. I like your Little Sea.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Have to send you the like we need like match
up the movie and you like, go watch it. You
will understand what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh man, amazing, amazing. Well, it's like dive into some
like book queues here. Yeah, bookish, bookish questions.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
We love bookish questions.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right into it. So start with your first novel. What
was the first spark for Controlled Burn? Was it characters,
the emotional themes, a specific scene, like what was Yeah,
the first spark. That's kind of punny too.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So I used to be really really fit. I'm not
so much anymore, but I used to be. And I
would go running every night for about ten kilometers, and
I would listen to music the whole time, because what
else are you gonna do while you're out running for
ten kilometers? And there was this song that kept playing
(13:34):
on my iPod because it was a while ago. And
it's called Knock three Times. It's like an oldie but
it's like knock three times on the ceiling if you
want me. And it's about this girl who lives in
the basement. Yeah, and so there is no hard but no.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But I love your karaoke. Please keep going, Rianna to
my Spotify.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I know you need to educate yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I do. I really damtinue.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So I would listen to this oldie and I was like,
this is such great fodder for like a like a
rom com. And then I wrote the most devastatingly depressing
book we've ever known. But it started with the spark
was a girl lives in the basement apartment and a
guy lives above her, And that was literally what I
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had to start with. I was just like, Yeah, I
want them to like the enemy still lovers and she
lives beneath him. They're in the same house, they're renting.
They're in their twenties, they're you know, younger, but they've
both they're both a little bit damaged in their own way.
And then it kind of just went from there.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I love it all right, all right, Okay, So you've
described Intense Feelings as a literary junk food in the
best possible way. What inspired you to lean into the
soap opera style for this series?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Passions?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And TV shows?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
The TV show Passions from Stop It, Yep It from
nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and eight, Little Timmy, Tabitha,
the Witch, the whole Crew, Passion.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I think I just love your series so much more.
Oh my god. I used to watch that at my
grandparents' house and then I went to a man and
she's like, why are you watching this trash? So I
was like, no, it's it's so good. I just remember
the Great Flood.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, oh I remember everything. Like if you want to
have like a deep dive into Passions, don't don't test
me because I know it all.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But watch all it now, which a.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Lot of it is on YouTube, just just saying it.
And I made my husband watch a lot of it
because he's my editor. So I was like, you have
to know what you're editing. You got to dive into
this show. So he's watched a lot of Passions now too,
and he thanks me for it actually, because it's so good.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Is really good.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
It's just addictive. It's like crack. And then I went
to school for Digital Media Arts, so I did film
and television for a little while. I worked on De
Grassy The Next Generation. Yes, I met Drake several times.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh I don't even care about Drake. I'm sorry. Let's
go back. You worked on De Grassy like that is
like my bread and butter of a show growing up.
Oh my gosh, so she yes, I love to Grassy.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I can send you a clip after of all the
scenes you can see me in on De.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Grassy absolutely please.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yes, I was just an extra, so I was just
wandering around pretending to be a student, but an extra.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
She says on de Grassy, like this beautiful, like Canadian
grassroots TV show, just an extra hitting me. Yeah, de grassy.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah it's filmed in Toronto, or it was filmed in Toronto. Yeah,
yeah nice.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I mean I watched it. I mean Heartland was filmed
in Alberta.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, high River, there you go, High River suck.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, it's suck. So I worked in film and television
for a little while and I was like, I love it.
I love the work, but the environment isn't good for
my mental health because it was like the longest day
I worked was thirty two hours, which is more than
a day.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's not even a day at that point, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
More than a day.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And like you're not sleeping, you're just curled up in
like a chair and like an auditorium and eating white
bread and peanut butter. And I'm like this and you
saw this sucks. I don't know about this full time,
but I really loved the idea of creating my own
TV show. And I didn't have a studio or actors,
but I had my fingers in my brain. So I
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wrote a.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Book amazing, very amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So that's where the soap opera it came from. Passions,
and also where it really started was before I actually
wrote the book. I wrote a Sims story with the
based on passions, with all the characters from intense feelings.
That was what I had at the time. I was
like twenty one, and I just took pictures of the
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Sims and scripted it and wrote it out like it
was a TV show. Everyone told me, they said, you know,
you need to turn this into something real, not just
a stupid Sims story. This is really good. So I
It took me a long time to me, like over
a decade, but I finally novelized it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm very nerdy.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I love that. Hey, you know what it's all going
to start somewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Hey. But yeah, SIMS three or SIMS four, Well, I'm old,
So it was actually SIMS two.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I don't even remember Sims too.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No, I probably because I remember remember when SIMS three
came out, so I must have known SIMS two. I
don't know. Yes, I love Sims and.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
She was older. Yeah, but it was just what I
had at the time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
My name is Alessia I'm twenty nine years old and
I love to play SIMS.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yes, I love SIMS still. I'm actually looking forward to Paralyzed,
But moving on.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I'm I get so excited when the grim Reaper comes
in SIMS because I killed my person just as a
it's a good times in SIMS. It's like so fat,
it's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And no, I'm not like there's just a little bit
of a psychopath and Sims there.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
What's the word when you like letting fires?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Romania?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Romania.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I'm not gonna lie. Do you know what came to
my brain? And I didn't want to say it, but
now I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Say it. Maybe I shouldn't, now you have to God.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The first thing that came to my brain was necrophiliac.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And I was like, oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Definitely not that.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's not it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I was like kleptomaniac. I was like, no, that's stealing.
What's that one? The pyromaniac? There we go, there it is.
I'm just a Sims pyromaniac.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Oh my gosh, Okay. Do you ever base characters or
situations on real people or real life events, or do
you prefer to create, create entirely from imagination or kind
of based off passions or things that you've seen in television.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I base my characters completely just on their own identities,
like their own selves. I don't write based on real
life people. The only thing I've ever taken from real
life was when I was writing anything to do with
addiction or alcoholism. I do have people in my life
who suffer from addiction and alcoholism, so I know that
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like firsthand as an outsider, like how it is for
the support system to be dealing with someone with those
kind of issues, and being so close to certain people
in my life who have those issues, I know what
it's like from their perspective as well. So I'll take
that kind of real life motivation and put it into
the story. But I wouldn't say, like, oh, this character
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is based on like my brother or my you know,
my uncle or whatever. It's like certain pieces of them
might be in there, but it's not their personality so
much as like that kind of issue. Also, grief, I've
had a lot of loss in my life, so I
feel like I can write grief from a really genuine,
pure kind of standpoint of from myself. But again, I'm
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not writing about the grief I experienced, just like it's
my way of being able to connect to grief and
give it to whoever whatever character needs it. If that
makes sense, well, And.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I feel like you're able to kind of you're able
to write about emotions that you have felt or somebody
else has felt without it actually being based off of them.
There's a difference to me in terms of like emotions
and experiences like that people have gone through versus I'm
basing a character off of Rihanna, like this is yeah,
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base it off of her. No, I'm going to base
it off of maybe her and I went through something
very tragic together and like we kind of built that
friendship on it, and grief and whatever it is, you
can use that emotion and that experience to shape something.
It's kind of what I'm getting at, And I feel
like if I were to write a book, I feel
like that's kind of the take I would go for,
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rather than this is based off of my mom.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, I think I don't know. For me,
it would just be a little too personal to actually
base characters off real people. Names I steal all the time.
My favorite place is to steal for this series are
obviously passions. Like now that you know, you're going to
see the passions names Pepper throughout this series, Like we
have an ivy alistair, Like there's just like a good
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cloth of them in there. Also, this one's kind of
matches the theme of my books, I guess. But I
get names from cemeteries. I go. I go to cemeteries
for fun that we go for walks.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Orry my family, we go to cemeteries for fun.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't know else to say it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean, good on you.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They can be a joyful place. They can be really
pretty with these flowers, useful, I super peaceful.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I went to New Orleans and let's go on a
cemetery tour and I was like, I'm sorry what? And
I remember getting off the bus and there's like just
the concrete path and I'm standing here and it's just
a bunch of crips and I'm like, I'm sorry, how
is this fun? I don't like this? And then the
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tour guide proceeds to tell you the like most absurd
stories of it, and I'm like, yeah, no, I really
don't like this. I would like to go back to
the bus.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Please, But there's great names on the headstones if you
take a minute.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yes, okay, wait, but another spooky thing in this graveyard.
I'm not gonna lie. One of the first crips that
I saw, it was actually my grandpa's last name, and
like it's an Italian last name, and all you see
is like Frank Delfonso And you're like, I want to
go back to the bus now, all right, go ahead. No.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I was just gonna ask. You know, if you go
to cemeteries and you collect from different series, are there
a couple names right now that you're holding on to
that you want to use?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
There are, But I'm always so bad on that when
you put me on this spot.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
There was a name I just had the other day
and I was like, I'm gonna use I just named
a character Miel, like honey in French. Oh, and that
kind of came to me and I was like, oh,
I like that name. And that name I got from
a YouTuber who I used to watch and her name
was Meel. But I was just like, yeah, I mean
I could do a meal. I think that's really pretty.
And now I kind of want to give her more
to do because she has a pretty name.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
She's honey and like sweet as honey.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, yeah, vampire.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Maybe she's not sweet as honey. It could be a
little bit sweet and tan like your blood red, honey,
don't ask what color our dye is?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay. So your stories include obviously
popular romance tropes, enemies to lovers, only one bed, Forbidden Love,
faded mates. Yet they feel really fresh. So how do
you approach making familiar tropes your own kind of Which
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tropes in your book do you think readers were spawn
to the most, and what's your personal favorite trope?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
So I think the way I keep it fresh is
actually to go old school, like I was talking about
it at the beginning, is reading the old school Harlequins.
Nobody's reading those, nobody remembers them, so they feel new.
They feel like like it's brand new, especially to like
gen Z, Like they're not going to be picking up
silver bells from nineteen eighty three by Joanna Miller or whatever. No,
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not Joanna, that's her up there. But anyway, so like
they're just like they're not gravitating towards that. So it's
these kind of like almost they lean towards aggressive a
little bit especially like the Enemy still Lovers, which I
always saw is funny, but now like that's a really
big deal. People like their men like dominant and aggressive,
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and I'm like, whoa, yeah, I can do that. But yeah,
I think it's like keeping it at school and like
revisiting from passions and stuff. Like a lot of people
ask me, even what is a soap opera? So I
have to kind of explain to them while it's like,
you know, think of like Pretty Little Liars or Gray's Anatomy.
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But it was on in the day after the Price
is right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, it was really after soap opera.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Victor Newman, Victor Newman, Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I'll go to the nursing home and be like, who's
that and then we'll be like, oh, that's Billy, And
I'm like, that's Billy. He had a different actor like
a month ago, but it's the same guy.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah. That's a common thing. That's a common thing on
you be aging up too, which is what I did
between book one and two, And people hated that, like.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The fact that kids grow up in like a month
and then their parents stay the same age the whole time.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, so that's what I try to accomplish with my jump,
with my time jump. I love it to keep everybody
super sexy. But yeah, it's been twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, So then to dive into this one too. So
soap operas, the storytelling kind of thrives on secrets and
betrayal and romance and dramatic reveals. So do you tend
to map these out in advance? Do you plan them
ahead of time or do you kind of let them
I don't know, like develop organically and just grow from
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the story as you're moving through it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's a really good mix, I definitely so. I just
made it in the process of filming a YouTube video
where I explain my entire process. But it starts with
a character sheet. I write down, you know, everybody's name,
what they look like, personality traits, how they're related to
each other, if they have any sort of magic abilities.
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Then I move on to plotting out the main points
I want to hit in each act. Then I move
on to a chapter outline, which serves as like my
rough draft, and I will basically I write it very casually,
like if anyone read these notes, they'd be like, what
are these things? Don't make any sense. It's just me
being really off the cuff and just quickly writing down
(29:15):
what the kind of idea I want for the chapter
where I want it to go, and then I actually
start writing it, and I leave room for, you know,
something spontaneous to enter the chat, so to speak. But
I do have to really craft like the skeleton of
the story, or else it would be a hot mess.
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It would be like Swiss cheese. It would be so
full of holes. Like I have to. I have to
know the basic storyline and then I leave room for
spontaneity to happen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, that yeah checks out. Like I have not really
ever written a story besides creative writing class, but I
kind of like your, uh, the way that you go
about it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
See, I was so good at like character development that
I would like, focus so hard, and then I'd get
to the second character and I'm like, man, the first
character was really really thought out. I'm tired now, and
then I forget all about it. Yeah, I'm like, oh,
I wrote a character Okay, whoops.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, adhd.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm diagnosed at that point.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I also have to keep I have to keep notes everywhere,
so I have notes on my phone, notes on my computer,
I have physical notebooks, notes galore, and I have what
I call the four toed notes, which is a throwback
to Lost, which they had a statue and Lost that
only had four toes and they never explained it. It
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was this big deal, never explained it. So I'm like,
I can't have a four toad statue in my story.
I have to have like everything needs to be explained.
So as I'm writing, I edit, which a lot of
people frown, but I have to or else I feel
like it would be way too confusing. So I edit
as I go, and I calumb through, and I'm like, oh,
I mentioned, you know the star drops. Can't forget about
(31:11):
those small scratch those down on my four toed notes
so that they circle back at some point. It's not
just a random one off that I've mentioned, these really
important star drops that never go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
M I love it. Four toes, four toes, four toes
why unknown?
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Well never know, Thanks Damon Lindola.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
That meaning is lost to me.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah. Amen, Well should we do some fun rapid fire
questions here? M hmm, rapid fire for you know me? Okay, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Get like five seconds answer. It's got to be like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
As quick ass. You want me just to them all
off whatever you'd like, Okay, we'll just go.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Also have like ones off the top of my head.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Okay, we'll just go then, Yeah, we'll just go all right.
Favorite villain.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of all time or of mine, of yours Ethan Ethan Sterling.
He doesn't start out as a villain. He doesn't start
out as a villain, but he becomes one, and I
would leave my husband for him. Don't tell him I
said that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Your secret is say it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Don't listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, just skip through that section.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, okay, So least favorite trope or a trope that
you will never write about.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He's very true. I don't really have any. I like
all of them because I'm writing a soap opera, so
I need as many as I can get. I was
a little hesitant to right age gap, but I did it.
So I don't think I really have a least favorite.
There's ones I'm a little nervous of, but I'm I'm
testing them of myself, Like I've got a female dom
(33:02):
in the next book, which I never thought it right,
But here we go.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, I like that. Okay, trope that you could write
a hundred times and never get tired of.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Enemies to Lovers. I mean, now I'm Saz, but I'm
writing I'm writing Lovers to Enemies now in the fourth book,
and I'm super super excited about that one.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Interesting one. Yep, Okay, this one kind of seems redundant,
So maybe i'll like rephrase this. If you could like
cast your book as a TV show and you can't
use anyone from the original series, who would you cast
a summers of Oh my god, who would you cast
(33:45):
as some of your characters?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I mean, Devlyn was heavily based on Damon Salvatore from
The Vampire Diaries. Like the vibe, but like the eye color,
the hair color, so like a younger Ian summerholder. But
time has passed, so I don't know if it's cast.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Like back then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I named Nina after Nina Dobrav. You can't tell.
It was really into the Vampire Diarise.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
That's one of my like go to like rewatch series.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's a good I love it. It's so good. But yeah,
someone like like Nina Dobra for Nina with like long
brown hair, classically pretty, you know, willowy, I would I
would love to know who I would cast as Chloe
and Callista. I don't know, Like, do you guys have
any ideas who you would casts them?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
With this one?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I like, I need someone like who's got that crazy
edge but like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I mean, would you go for a redhead like Isla Fisher?
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah? Maybe I was gonna say, like I like been
visioning like almost like euphoria where you have those like
girls that are like they're pretty but they can be psycho.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yes, yeah, exactly, maybe Sidney Seen Like.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, that's where I was going. I was like some
Sydney Sweeney who like she can be a little bit
of the like he's like the little bit of the
I don't want to say the dumb character. Yeah, a
little bit like ooh, and she's like super pretty and
like super out of it, but if she needs to
be mean, she is mean.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
She's coo yes, yep, yeah for sure. So yeah, the
only one I know. Oh and for Ethan, I would
cast Adricelva.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh yep, I like that my heart.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
That one I know for sure. But those are the
only ones I really have that I've that I've thought
of are just really Devilin and Ethan. It's hard for
me because I have such specific images of them in
my mind, and then I'm like who and I who
looks enough like you? And also I don't know as
many young actors.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I think it's harder when you have an image in
your head to cast someone rather than like creating a
character based off of someone.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So okay, read to you.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, one book boyfriend girlfriend from any author's work that
you would steal for your series.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh Quinn, Now no one knows probably who this is.
In the Sookie Stackhouse books, there was one of her
boyfriends was named Quinn. He was like six foot four, black,
bald head, could turn into a tiger head, purple eyes.
I was like, you need to stay with Quinn. You
need to be with Quinn forever. We'll get the vampires.
(36:43):
This is the Sookie Stackhos series.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
The True Blood books, True Blood Okay someone a yeah
club has been reading these?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah that The Rainbow books up behind me are the
entire series. It's another huge inspo for me is the
True Blood books. I not the so much the show.
The show got me into the books, but the books
are like my favorite books ever so definitely Quinn would
be He's I have a lot of actually black characters
(37:10):
with purple eyes. All goes back to him.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
He really impacted me.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Okay, as you know, like you've watched the op operas, clearly, yes,
what is one of the most dramatic twists you've ever
seen on screen? Oh?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well, that's a that's a big The first one that
comes to mind is when so there was a love
triangle between Louise, Sheridan and his ex girlfriend from high school, Beth,
and Beth wanted to get rid of Sheridan and take
Louise for her own, but Sheridan was pregnant with Louise's baby,
so she put Sheridan. She drugged her and kept her
locked up in a hole in her basement, and stole
(37:55):
the baby when it was born. This is what my
books are based off.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I love this, stealing babies, hitting people in holes.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
But I'm not even like you, Like, she was dressed
as a clown when she was like dealing with Sheridan,
so Sheridon would know who she was, and she thought
she was kidnapped by like a psycho clown, and she
was on drugs and yeah, that was really my favorite.
One of my favorite plot twist plotlines was when Beth
pretended to be pregnant stool Sheridan's baby. It was a
(38:29):
whole thing that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I remember this, like I'm dead serious, I like actually
remember this because.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like in your core, like like how can it
not be so good?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
But like there are some moments even from like Young
the rest Us that I'm like, oh my god, like
I will never forget this because yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
They just may go there, they're sore.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yep, Okay, So to wrap it up, rap it fire
here quick. So that perfectly captures the vibe of the
Passion series.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I mean, other than the Passion's theme song.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, I know, that's like all I really have. That's
a hard one. If anyone can find me a song
that encapsulates the entire series, I'd love to hear it,
because I struggle with this. I can find songs for
couples and characters and like a general vibe for the book,
which is usually classical music, but as far as a
(39:27):
theme song for Passions, it would have to be the
Passion's theme song. Right now, I don't have another. I
don't have a better answer.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Agree. Do you know what the Passion's theme song is?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I do not hold on.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I play it in the opening of my YouTube videos.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Are you going to play it? Right now?
Speaker 1 (39:46):
I how to find the right one though?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
You look at Passions opening long long version.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yes, okay, it's kind of vibe.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
She's laughing at me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
No, it's good, it's good. No.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Delications in intense feelings and immortal passions are lyrics from
that song.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Ooh, okay, we got to tie it all in. I
like that.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I tell you the second you said it was based
off of like Passions, everything just kind of like clicked
in my brain and I'm like, oh my god, I
love this more right now?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Now where do I find uh Passions series?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
To watch?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
YouTube?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Rihanna, you're ready for date night?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, we're gonna be watching some YouTube.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Oh you will not regret it.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
You'll have to watch the whole Shenanigans with Sheridan and
the baby.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I'm going to have to amazing. Okay, So if people
want to find you, know me, what is the best
way to find you on the Great Wide Web of
the Internet. What the heck I Web of the the
World Wide web.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh my gosh, I am most active on Instagram. No
me palmer author is that is my handle pretty much everywhere.
I'm also trying to be active on TikTok, but it
is so much work and I'm just doing my best
over there. My website is Nomi palmeruthor dot com and yeah,
(41:44):
that's pretty much where I'm all. I'm on threads as well,
No me palmer author, but Instagram you'll find me. They're
the most.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
We love Instagram.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yes, yes, we also love plannable, who hosts posts for
me on Instagram hashtag will please sponsor me?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Amazing? Well know me. Thank you so much for joining
us today. We are very grateful that you came on
as a podcast and we're willing to talk about your
books and all things soap opera drama with us.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yes, I hope you had fun. Thank you for having
I know we had fun and you get to hear
my unhinged random thoughts about barnyards and coyote passport and
you know lost, I love it.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm just happy to find more passion stands because you're
my people. You know what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
It was so good, and then I'd remember I'd go home,
and my mom would be like, your grandmother, let you
watch that, and I was like, well, actually no, I
watched it with my grandpa. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yes, my grandpa watched Passions with me. That's amazing and
I'm not mad about it. It was great, he would laugh.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh, it was so much fun. My best friend when
I was thirteen, she got me hooked on two things,
passions and diet coke.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I'm still fridge cigarette. I love, yes, love fridge cigarette.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Okay again, thank you so much. We loved having you
and we love to talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Same. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Have a good one you.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Too, Bye bye, jinks Yo me Sodao miesa no freage cigarette,
die coke.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
I don't want to diet coke. I want a real coke.
Oh no, no, no diet cool sponsors.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Please yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Up sponsor me.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
What a lovely, lovely day, What a lovely episode. Thanks
to all of our lovely listeners people watching tuning in.
We love you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Bye, see ya ye
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