July 13, 2025 • 37 mins
We’re back with author Nisha J. Tuli for the spicy side of her latest romcom. From workplace drama to slow-burn romance, we dive into Trishara’s empowering arc, the realities of sexism, and the tension-filled dynamic with Rafe. We talk about personal inspiration, favorite quotes, and what might be next—bonus chapters, redemption arcs, and yes, even a possible spin-off. Plus, we build the perfect playlist to match the book’s bold, badass energy.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, I'm less and I'm read. This is not that
kind of book club, a.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bookish podcast for we read it, so you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, friends, welcome back to not that kind of book club.
So excited we have Nisha back on the podcast again
today to talk all about not Safe for Work.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So this is your spoiler warning. If you have not
read the book, you might not want to listen to
all of this because we are going to be diving
into a lot of specifics. Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm ready, Niche Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I couldn't be more ready.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay, Well you can take away number one if you'd like.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And number one. So, going right into Trishara's arc, it's
really really empower How did you strike the balance between
her internal growth and the external conflict she faced at
WMC her workplace?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Very carefully? I mean lots of editing.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yep, yeah, I mean I wanted to be really careful
how I portrayed her journey. A lot of it was
very personal for me, because I mean I had I mean,
I did not have that exact journey, but there were
pieces of it that I drew on from my own
personal experience that sort of helped inform the greater picture.
(01:34):
But yeah, I mean I think it was being really
mindful of what needed to be there to drive the
story forward without like having one thing overtake another thing.
There was a few things where I'm like, ah, this
is too much and I took it out and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know, and that kind of thing. But yeah, I
don't know, carefully, very very carefully well.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And I mean, like the workplace sexism that she does
deal with is deeply relatable to probably most women who
are reading this book. What was the hardest part about
writing those scenes, especially knowing how common they are and
the fact that you did draw on a little bit
of your own personal life or inspiration in it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, thankfully, Like I've had a lot of
distance from that life, Like it was a long time ago,
so it wasn't like super raw or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I like pains just I don't know, I think, like
it's important to be real and I'm actually it's actually
kind of shocked. I mean, it's not shocking, but it's
like how many people have said to me, this just
read exactly like the experience I had in in corporate
world too, And I'm like, God, it's like, are all
of us just out of it, out there dealing with this.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like it's crazy that I almost didn't realize.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It was going to represent so many people at the
time when I was writing it, like I kind of
felt like it was personal, but I mean, obviously I
knew other people had experienced it, but I guess I
didn't even realize the extent of how much it would
resonate with people on that front, and which is disturbing.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I'm sad and unfortunate that that is the case.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, I just but luckily, I mean, I have
heard a lot yeah people saying I really felt like
I saw myself there and like it was just like
nice to be able to experience that and then see
her get her like happy ending and tell everyone to
fuck off and you know, the thing that we all
want to do in the end.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, And I think it's it's crazy to think that,
like we're in twenty twenty five and that is still happening,
and sometimes I think like things are starting to kind
of regress and get a little bit worse again, and
it's just insane that that's kind of where we're at.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, there's still all these boys clubs that we're trying to,
you know, get into or dismantle essentially or.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
The like calm and it's not calm in terminology, but
we're going back to the whole. That's a man's job, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
A blue pink and blue jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah. If I hear that, I get so angry, like
mm hm does.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Not exist in my house. No, But kind of going
along the same lines here, do you think that fiction
stories such as this can help push conversations about systemic
inequality in a meaningful way?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean i'd like to think so.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, we're doing it right now essentially, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I would like to think so.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean I think, you know, a lot of people
can scoff at fiction and say it's you can't learn anything,
it's not important.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But we all know that's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That they can be jumping off points for wider conversations
and they're about bigger things, not just people kissing, even if.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We love those parts.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
But yeah, I don't know. I think I do think
the world is just going backwards.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So I don't know. I don't know what the future.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Looks, right. I feel that way too, Like where we
regressing back is like we've made so much progress when
you look at like history of where they were at
in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and like we never really
hit one hundred percent where we're all like there's no
full equality between one and the other, but it's.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Regressing, yes, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, So you did note in the beginning of the book,
but also while you're talking to us here that some
of the story was inspired by your own experiences. Was
there a particular moment or a particular line in this
book that felt the most personal to you? If you
want to share, you also don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Actually, it's the very ending when she writes the letter
I had.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It wasn't even actually when I was an engineer anymore,
but in my previous work, in a previous work environment,
I kind of got to a point where I didn't
exactly write a letter like that, but I was pretty
close to it. So there was definitely something very personal there.
I mean, some of the like more lighthearted, like the
part at the very beginning where he asks her, on
(06:03):
a scale of one to ten, how would you write me?
Like that was a real conversation somebody, Wow, the co worker,
but the co worker and we would like meet and
the other women in the office. We would always joke
around and we would be like, can you believe these
conversations we have? Like she gotta we got to write
a book about this one day.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Then I did.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I was like, Okay, I think I'm going to finally
read it. We were going to call it Conversations with
a seven. It was the other unofficial title.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I actually kind of love that too. I mean, there
you go, that's the sequel.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, but I know.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I love that, And I mean, like, I don't love
that that happened, but I as I pulled the book,
I find that, like one of my favorite moments too,
is I was telling read this right before, where right
in the beginning, she is talking about Rafe and it's
the whole fine Rafe Gallagher is a fucking eleven out
(07:03):
of ten, and then it ends with the uh oh
my god, it's like with you, with you, I'm always
a million out of ten.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And I was like, it's a cute way to kind
of like come full circle with it. Yeah, You're like,
I know, I wrote it, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It isn't it almost like I No, I didn't actually
originally plan it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It just worked out though, exactly, And you know what,
I just kind of loved it because we started off
with the rating system and we ended off with the
rating system.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
In a way different kind of radios.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, it's like we changed the perspective of.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
The rating system.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I'm gonna as I move my question list because
of course I can't memorize anything. Nope, Rape clearly has
depth below beyond the slowber intension. What do you think
readers often misunderstand about him early on in the book
and what they kind of make the assumption of I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Mean, I think it's the same thing that Trist's assumes
about him.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then he's just like.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Some privileged white guy, which he is, I mean, and
he very acknowledges it, but that he's like unaware of that.
And to me, this was one of the hardest parts
about writing this book is because she faces a lot
of sexism and some racism that like the controversy between
the two, like it could never come from him, right,
because that's not a redeemable quality, Like there's no going back.
(08:24):
If that was the guy he is, like, he can't
be fixed and I can never never root for that guy.
So that was something I was really like careful about that,
that that never came from him, that he was like
doing the things that men should be doing when they
hear this stuff in their workplaces when they are in
a position of privilege. That he was doing the things
(08:44):
he could, but still trapped within a system where you
can only ever do so much because the system is
working against you at every turn. So yeah, I mean,
I think the same assumptions that she makes are the
same ones that I don't know if the reader makes
original at the beginning. But I mean, although I also
think because you are looking at it as the reader,
(09:05):
you realize he's probably been in love with her the
entire time, which you know is obviously my favorite kind
of trope.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But and I mean, like he felt like he was
protecting her from kind of the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yeah, And she even says that where she's like, I
should be mad at him for trying to like white
night this, but like he thought he was doing the
right thing, and he's also working against a system that
you only have so much control over. Yeah, and he was, Yeah,
that he was trying to protect her the whole time.
But yeah, that was something I was like wanted to
be very careful about that for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I think even even with sorry I interrupt, MYHD
is so terrible. Now you go for it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No, that's fine. I don't even know what I was
saying anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, that's okay to see. That's all the reason why
I interrupt, because I'm like, I must get this thought
out right now before I completely forge off. But I
even think with Rafelake, he's kind of stuck in the
cycle of that whole privilege where this is my son,
he's going to take over, He's going to do this,
his son is going to take over, and it's like
(10:10):
this planned hierarchy of how it's going to go when
he doesn't want that and just like kind of never
knew how to say he didn't want that, and kind
of got that encouragement from how she dealt with things
or she like just even being around her, And I
don't know, I love that like that growth too, where
(10:31):
it's like, you know what, you can stand up for yourself.
You can say that I'm not doing this, like it's
not what I want.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, well okay.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So then obviously, like the chemistry between trist and Rafe
has been there the entire time. How did you approach
building the tension without rushing it too quickly, because right
off the hop you can feel all the tension between them.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think it's a lot of walking it forward and
then pulling it back. Like there's a few moments where
they're like getting somewhere and then something happens and it
throws them off again. And sure, I could let them
get there sooner, but what would be the fun in that. Honestly,
they had to work through their stuff, and because they're
each carrying different kinds of baggage and that has nothing
(11:19):
that kind of really has nothing to do with each other,
but converges in the same way because their lives are
sort of entwined because they you know, when you're at
the office, you end up spending just as many hours
with the people you work with as you do your
friends and family, so they can't help but sort of
be connected in that way.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It was just a making sure they were always you know,
riffing off each other, the banter always like never they're
always like giving back to each other.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Whether it was.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like yeah, when I felt to you like there was
this it was like a slow burn until not the
very end, but like it did take a while, and
then you're like, yay, they're together, and then you're like,
oh no, there's our conflict point. It's the resolution, and
like realistically, like once that conflict point hit and you're
(12:15):
you're seeing it, it's not even one of those books
where it's oh my god, it's a complete misunderstanding. Both
of them are going their separate ways because they both
interpreted it wrong. It was kind of out of Rafe's control.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, it wasn't really between them.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It was more external factors that had to be resolved before.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They could exactly actually be with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, I actually think I like that better than the
whole Oh my god, like I caught you and blah
blah blah, and like this is how I see it,
and this is how she sees it, and it's just
this whole. As a reader, you're like, oh my god,
you guys are looking at this backwards. And it's like, yeah,
(12:58):
I liked the fact.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
That you have to be careful with a miscommunication trope
if you're going to do that. But although it's funny
to me when people have labeled this book in miscommunication
a couple of times, and I'm like them not being
able to convey their feelings yet is not a miscommunication.
That's just them not being there yet. That is not
a miscommunity.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Like you purposely Yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You purposely saying I'm not ready yet is not a miscommunication.
And like that's how human beings are. We're like terrified
to share our feelings, right Like that's and even like yeah,
like when I wrote Artifacts, when you get to the
fourth book, the relationship, the strife between the two of
them never is because of them, right, Like, it's never because.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They are solid.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's all external factors that are keeping them apart at
that point. And that, like, to me, that's probably always
how I write it. I don't think I would ever
be like blaming each other because I don't know it
just to.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Me, that doesn't it's like it doesn't make for a
solid future.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, have you ever read what is it?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Gosh, why can't I remember the author? It'll come back
to me. But did you read rooum hate?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I don't even know what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Maybe I'll send you on good Reads or on Instagram.
But it was a book. I think it was Penelope
Ward actually, but I might be wrong, but it was
one of those books that I found it was the
right place, wrong time twice in a row, because it
was almost well, it was written in three parts, so
(14:33):
part one it's more so his side that it's not
the right time, and then second time it's more her
side it's not the right time, and then kind of
in the end, like you see things kind of resolve
and work out. And it's one of those stories that
initially I didn't read because it had a human on it,
and sometimes I cannot read books with like humans on
(14:56):
the cover. Yeah, and this was a weird one. I
just wasn't sure and then I said, no, I'll read
it anyways, and I'm so glad I read it. It
was a really really good book. But I'm just making
kind of that reference of like it is like the
right time, maybe the wrong moment, But things like that
are are nice to read sometimes too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, if you had to write a bonus chapter from
Rafe's perspective, of course, besides the wedding night, which scene
would you choose? In Why?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I actually do have another one written that is an
extended version. You know, when they're you know, when they
come back from the dessert buffet and they're like talking
about their fantasies and he's like, I want you to
crawl to me.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I actually have that written because it was actually a
bonus chapter for people who pre ordered Nice, So eventually
I will share that with everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
But or the fantasy where it's like throw me over
your shoulder, take me to your stone.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, I know with me, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's where the fantasy started.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
The fantasy there came out, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was like, h I found it so kind of
following that, would you ever consider or have you ever
thought about writing kind of a sequel and maybe even
focused on one of the side characters, like a redemption
arc for Hannah or kind of exploring something with Molly,
(16:24):
or even giving us the land and Gabrielle or gab
Gabrielle Gabrielle.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, No, I don't want to write Hannahs story.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
She doesn't interest me. No, my next droum.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I do have two more rom coms coming, and then
they're all going to be their own books like Sandals. Yeah.
The next one is the next one's actually set in
Churchill in Manitoba at a polar Bear lodge, which I'm
currently Yes, no one has ever written a romance set
in Churchill.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for this.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, because I worked for Child and Manitoba for years,
so like I went up to Churchill many times and
it is just like one of the most magical places
you can ever go. If you've never been, I highly
recommend it and.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Take amazing Take me to Churchill. Somehow I've amazed done
so much, Like I got to write a book set
up there.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
So she's like a travel influencer and photographer who's this
is the connecting theme is that there's travel and the
FMC is like having a career crisis, so like she's struggling.
She needs to get like the money shot on this trip.
And he's the grumpy lodge owner who doesn't want her
there and why and they end up having to share
(17:41):
the family wing in a bathroom and you know how,
you know how these things go.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I can't wait, So I don't know, Like I think
with the romanticy, I'm always writing a lot of series.
It can get like it's hard to write a seriie
sometimes because I'm a panther. I don't plot, so like
sometimes trying to keep track of everything is a lot.
So the rum coms are sort of like a rest
for me in that it's just a standalone book.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I can do like a little nod to a past book,
like if you Caught the Easter Egg in not Safer
Work from Rule of the Hurriking. A lot of people
caught that, some people, and I probably would do that
in the future, but yeah, they're mostly going to be
all standalones unless I can add a character that feels
right or another story.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
But there wasn't anybody not safe for work.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
That long long sister, Yeah, oh yeah, I mean she
didn't really have a sibling to write about, and and
like doing Moll, like my brand will always be writing
brown girls, so like doing her white friend does not
fit in with that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So yeah, no, that's totally valid. I think that like
writing books with characters that you can kind of relate
to is important. And I don't mean that in a
weird way. I mean you're able to take your own
personal experiences and like my personal experiences might be different
or yours might be different, and being able to kind
(19:10):
of add that in. I don't know if that's the
right way to word that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Even in the case of this book. I obviously can't
relate to Trishara from a cultural or heritage background, but
as a female in a male dominated workplace, I can
definitely relate to her in that way.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, right, But I don't think you need to relate
to it, right, You're every.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Time that I want a book, Yeah, and every time
you read a book, you can't resonate with every single
experience that that character is having.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The point is you're reading a book about other.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
People's experiences and expanding your horizons, and like, right, it
doesn't matter if you haven't actually experienced that, that's right,
Like yeah, And I mean this is the problem with
a lot of publishing in general, Like, I mean, I
write it because it's representation, because the Roman genre is
incredibly white. Yeah, And then people will say things like
(20:01):
I can't relate because I'm not it's not a white girl,
like right, Like why not? You can relate to a green,
seven foot tall, blue alien, but you can't relate you
can have brown skin, like what the hell barbarian?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Very much like you don't have to have experienced it,
But that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, No, I think you're right. In representation right, and
we're starting to see more even like heavier girls and
the representation there which hasn't always been there. I mean
when you look at a lot of past reading girls
are portrayed as this skinny, blonde, blue eyed girl, that's
(20:42):
not the case. Like we are all different, right, and
I'm I'm really loving the the representation you're starting to
see now, which like widespread, no wide wide range of
representation in different different types, right, if that makes sense.
I feel like my wording is so bad today.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No, you're doing good.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But to switch gears just a little bit. Uh, it's
still about the book, I promise. These ones are just
kind of more fun questions. If if you had to
create a soundtrack, what so this is three parters, if
you had to add a song that just kind of
represented the book overall, what would what would you think of?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, it actually gets mentioned in the book. It's Exile
by Taylor Swift. I go, this was my twenty twenty
comfort song. I have listened to it eleventy billion times yep.
And I was listening to it when I wrote that book.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Why I love that? I wrote this question down and
I was like, okay, three, you've got to find me
an answer to and I'm not gonna lie. I said
just a girl by no doubt as well, because I
was like that could that could be a banger?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Like, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, do.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You have one? Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You don't know me, Leslie Gore. We've talked about this
song before.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We have one.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh it's an old like sixty song.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You don't okay, I'll have to listen. Yeah, okay, No,
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I just had to serenade you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I just needed a little a little mark there you go.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
For like Trist's her personal journey, and it could also
be the exact same song. But like, if you had
to pick one that's not exile, what would you say
for her journey itself?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, keeping in the vein of Taylor Swift as Who's
afraid of Little Old Me?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Probably would be for her.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yep, that's a money song. Don't even mention our choices
because that's yeah, that's amazing. Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I mean, do you want to know what our choice was?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It was our joint choice.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It was Strong Younger by Kelly Clarkson's The Stronger What
Doesn't Kill You makes you stronger.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Like it, like it?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Okay, And our last one that I have on here
is Rafe's Big Realization Moment.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
A song for that. Yeah, that was a hard one, right.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I don't know you guys have one.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I do, but I don't know like what you're going
to think about it. But I put down It's My
Life by bon Jovi.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Mm hmm oh.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I like that because it's like making Yeah, I'm making
that decision right now for me, and I'm what I
want to do. Yeah, it's my life now or never.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I like that. All right, that's now my officially my
answer for whoever.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Asks me that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yeah, because I'm so I'm actually so bad at like
when people have all these playlists, I'm like, I can never.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I don't know, I'm not that clever.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Just go listen to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's fine, Yeah, just listen to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm sure there's a song that applies in every.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Situation exactly, and like all of the albums like can
fit somewhere, Like I mean, yeah, I can find songs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh yeah, there's definitely one that fits.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, I know that. I I've actually asked you this
question for trial of the Sun Queen. But if Not
Safe for Work was adapted to the screen, who would
you cast.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh I'm so bad at this.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I want I want Ben Barnes for for Race.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's a good one. H that's a good one about.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And then maybe what's her name, Simone? Ashley Simone? Hey, yes,
I think that's her name.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Like that that's way better than our choices. No, yeah,
like on par on part I have done for Tris
Frieda Pinto from slum Dog Millionaire. And then Miles Teller
for raithe.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I love.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I don't know who Miles Teller is. I'm looking them
up sea, you know what, Like yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Miles Teller because like the big muscles all of that.
Because when you watched when you watched Maverick, like the
second Maverick movie, Yeah, top Gun, there we go, but
it's top Gun Maverick. Yeah I got this. Yeah, like
you watch that football scene or the like beach football
and you're like, damn, those are both good choices. Yeah, okay,
(25:39):
I put Naomi Scott from the live action Aladdin.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, she's beautiful too.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He's beautiful. And then when you said Ashley Simone I
was like, hey, but I put down Hannah Simone, who
was in New Girl.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
What she looks like? She's yeah, she would be great too. Yes,
maybe one.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Day, who knows. I always say these questions are just funcause.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I love why not?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So to kind of finish this off, this might be
a harder question. But if you had to pick a
line or something to quote in this book, what would
you what would you pick? It's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's a tough fun.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I can tell you what I did. Yeah, okay, So
the one that I put was there's nothing unmissible about you.
That's all I meant that, there isn't anywhere you could
go where everyone wouldn't notice you.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I personally would love to have Miles Teller saying that
to me, say that, yeah, in a sweet voice, with
those eyes just bearing into my soul.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Or my partner's not listening right now.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
That's okay. Book boyfriends are different.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah. The tris Can I see you in my office
of course, mister Gallagher, Yes, Miles anytime. No, I love it.
Do you have any point in the book that kind
of stood out for you?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I loved And I don't know if this is
a personal experience thing for you when they crashed the wedding.
Oh my god, no, that's so awesome and just something
I wasn't expecting. Have you ever crashed a wedding?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Meche not not like that?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh whoa, you're saying not like that, but you have
well not to that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I don't know. I thought I ever crashed a wedding.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't know, not to that extent where you're like
actually joining the wedding.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah. I love the part too where the like bride
goes up and she's like, excuse me, do I know you?
She's like, staycy do.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You don't She's like, my name's Michelle, my name's Michelle, Security,
what are you doing? And Rafe's just like you call
her Stacy.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, that's what made it funnier exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was like, that's so good. You blew the cover.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, I have, I have my line that it would
either be I'll follow you anywhere trists. But also one
of my favorites was when he says to her, your
ass is so hot, fucking hot that skirt, And I
was remember writing that and I was like, oh my god,
I can't believe I just heard that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That I want to fall to my knees.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And yeah, or the text when they're in their session,
he's like, cross your way on.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That scene with them and the where they're doing the
three questions about each other?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Was I think my favorite one?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my gosh, yes, Or it's funny too, how the
like find your match and they were salt and pepper
and you're like, there are just so many things that
are like trying to pull them together.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Here they're supposed to be I know where they were
helpless against the forces of the UNI.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, like they possibly do. Yeah, they were just consistently
pulled together. Yeah, it was meant to be. Goodbye, Hannah.
We don't need you, Hannah. Hannah stopped calling. I will
you get a grip? Yeah? Why didn't he block her?
Like they felt bad?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Feel bad?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He was like, didn't want to blow up the family
thing and felt bad.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He's a nice guy, but still, Hannah, nice guy. Go away.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah. Oh man. But wrapping things up, thank you so
much Niche for coming on and talking about your book
Not Safe for Work. It was fantastic. I think our
readers enjoyed it. I'm super looking forward to your next
book based in Churchill Manitoba. I will be looking out
for that one, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, that'll be next. I think July is the current
what they have right now.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But yeah, I'm going to add to they said.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
They said, have we ever had a cover with a
polar bear on it?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And I'm like, I think it's I.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Like it time.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean, the one thing I want to kind of
share before we we end off. I have no idea
how I did it, but I was reading the book
while listening to the audio and like skipping through. So
I'm like listening to the first part of the chapter.
I get to about the halfway point of audio, and
I've already finished the actual chapter. So then I'm like, okay, Alexa,
(30:26):
please play chapter twenty. And then I finished chapter twenty
and it's like, Alexa, pause, please play chapter twenty one.
And I'm like Ben sitting beside me, and He's like,
you didn't even finish the chapter.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I was like, yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I read it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I did on the words.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I read the words, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Eyeball reading instead of your reading exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
But we are so lucky to have been able to
arrange it. You're on our podcast. We got to talk
about your amazing book. We are so excited to see
what's coming next, especially the Churchill book.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Lots lots of things are coming next. Oh my god,
next few years are all set?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You have it all planned?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, I mean you signed contracts for books like well
into the future, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
There's so Then here's my here's my last question for you.
Do you have any future fantasy or romanticy books coming?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I do, Yeah, I just accepted not prefer another trilogy,
Reminer trilogy, and that will be the first book, will
come in twenty twenty seven, which I know seems far away,
but it's actually.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And it will be a.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I'm comping at the Hurricane Wars meets a Handmaid's Tale
because there's a little bit of a like dystopian vibe.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
To it, but not like breathing kink.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's like, but it's the main character. It's enemies to
love second chance. They betrayed each other. They're now like separated.
Her only goal is to get back and make him
pay for the way he betrayed her. They have to
fuck her. They'll die because they're also faded mates. I've
had so much fun with that. I think, like I
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had to write like the first few chapters for the
publisher because it was my option book. Like when you
sign a contract, they like get to look at the
next thing you write. So I just I wrote like
forty pages of it or something, and I do. I
feel like it's my best writing so far. My friend
she was like, how do you keep getting better?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And it's like stop.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It, like, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Stop and stop it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But yes, so that will be Yeah, so there will
be the Dystopian Ya, there'll be two books. There will
be two more Roum coms coming, and then there will
be three books coming in the Romantic series for sure,
and then who knows what else in the next but
for sure all of those things.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So excited.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I am to seven books on the line here. That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh my gosh, I don't even want to say goodbye
to you.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I know, I just just keep talking all day.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I just want to talk.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
We can do this again next year.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We're going to have to do this again.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Next year we're going to be diving into the Churchill book.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, with maybe a trip to Churchill to go see.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, let's just a podcast in Churchill.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Amazing, We'll see you there.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Have to do a book launch.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I'm just said to my I need to go to
my publisher and be like, we need to do a
book launch in Churchill, don't we.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I don't know if there's enough people up there to
make a book launch.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Do you know these two girls Lessonry are going to
come with yeast?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I don't know if anyone else is coming.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
At least.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
There's kind of hard to get there.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
It's kind hard to get there.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, long train ride.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, it's a quick flight.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
But that's true too. I feel like you have to have.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
To come here, but you have to get here first,
so it's not it's not easy. Part of its magic
is that it's hard to get to because you cannot
drive up there.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
There are no roads.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And part of the magic is the fact that you
are truly in the middle of nowhere because it's like
not even easy to get to. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, it keeps it kind of special too.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it does. It keeps it special.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I mean there's only like eight hundred town residents and
a thousand polar bears, right, like they outnumber the town residents.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Church in town, it's not yes, yeah, little town. I
actually got into an argument with my one friend about
this because we're talking about okay, but like where did
the polar bears come from, like in Manitoba, Like how
do they get there? And she's like, well, the Hudson Bay.
And I was like, what are you talking about? Like
you are smoking?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
She's right, I know, she's right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
She pulled up happened. She's like, look, Hudson Bay. I
was like, I didn't realize. I didn't realize it was
that big.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I thought it was just well, then it's unique because
it's so accessible, like polar bear when you go north
and north like it's much harder to get to. It's
the most accessible polar bear population in the world, which
is part of what makes it so interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean unless you're going to go further north.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean like you can go yeah, and you can
go like on what they call like almost a safari
where you could.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You literally walk.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
And this is where the book is based. It's in
a lodge, like very loosely based on a real life
place that exists.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You actually go and you walk, you.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Walk around all day and you are like you get
like crazy close to polar bears that you know, it's wow,
that are the world's most deadly land predator. Like people
don't understand how dangerous they actually are. But they you
go with the bear guide. I mean, they know what
they're doing, like it's a whole operation. It is one
of the coolest things you'll ever do.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It is just incredible.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The biggest fact that
I can remember about polar bears and I remember hearing
it and I was like, no, you guys, like you're
making this up. That's that's false news. But polar bears
aren't actually white. They have those like tubular it's like
their fur. Yeah, And I'm like, no, like, you guys
(35:45):
are so out to lunch, but then no, they are
at it's like a reflection.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
They are fascinating creatures and their whole environment is so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And yeah, I mean, go polar bears. Let's save the polars.
They're beautiful and I think they're very pretty, but it
would eat me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh man, again, thank you so much, Niche for coming on.
We're looking forward to talking to you again next year.
And for anybody who has got this far and hasn't
read the book, go get Not Safe for Work.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes. McNally Robinson has a copy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Thank you again, Nische for coming on. It was so
great to chat with you and have you here and
we'll catch you next time.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Okay, sounds good. Thanks for having me see later.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Thanks see you Hi.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, guys, that was Nisha. I absolutely love talking to Nisha.
That's my second time talking to her virtually actually, and
I have gotten to meet her in real life. So guys, hey, yeah,
Niche's the best. Make sure you guys go follow her
on Instagram and check out her books if you haven't already.
Not Safe for Work as the newest one, but makes
you guys, check out The Trial of a Sun Queen.
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That entire series is really really good. So ree, do
you want to announce our next book club pick?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes? Next month we are reading One Golden Summer by
Carly Fortune.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Guys, she's another Canadian author and we're so excited to
kind of dive into that one. I do have a
feeling we're not gonna be talking about this one until
closer to the end of the summer. We have so
many guests coming up in the next couple of episodes.
I'm really excited. I think Ree is really excited, very excited.
(37:27):
We don't want to spoil anything, so I won't say
much more than that, but you're gonna wanna tune in
for it. It's gonna be wicked.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So go get your copy of One Golden Summer and
we will see you guys here next time, talking all
things book.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm Ree, I'm less, and we will see you next time.
Hey, I'm less and I'm read. This is not that
kind of book club, a.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Bookish podcast for we read it, so you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, friends, welcome back to not that kind of book club.
So excited we have Nisha back on the podcast again
today to talk all about not Safe for Work.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
So this is your spoiler warning. If you have not
read the book, you might not want to listen to
all of this because we are going to be diving
into a lot of specifics. Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm ready, Niche Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I couldn't be more ready.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay, Well you can take away number one if you'd like.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And number one. So, going right into Trishara's arc, it's
really really empower How did you strike the balance between
her internal growth and the external conflict she faced at
WMC her workplace?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Very carefully? I mean lots of editing.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yep, yeah, I mean I wanted to be really careful
how I portrayed her journey. A lot of it was
very personal for me, because I mean I had I mean,
I did not have that exact journey, but there were
pieces of it that I drew on from my own
personal experience that sort of helped inform the greater picture.
(01:34):
But yeah, I mean I think it was being really
mindful of what needed to be there to drive the
story forward without like having one thing overtake another thing.
There was a few things where I'm like, ah, this
is too much and I took it out and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know, and that kind of thing. But yeah, I
don't know, carefully, very very carefully well.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And I mean, like the workplace sexism that she does
deal with is deeply relatable to probably most women who
are reading this book. What was the hardest part about
writing those scenes, especially knowing how common they are and
the fact that you did draw on a little bit
of your own personal life or inspiration in it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, I mean, thankfully, Like I've had a lot of
distance from that life, Like it was a long time ago,
so it wasn't like super raw or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I like pains just I don't know, I think, like
it's important to be real and I'm actually it's actually
kind of shocked. I mean, it's not shocking, but it's
like how many people have said to me, this just
read exactly like the experience I had in in corporate
world too, And I'm like, God, it's like, are all
of us just out of it, out there dealing with this.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Like it's crazy that I almost didn't realize.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It was going to represent so many people at the
time when I was writing it, like I kind of
felt like it was personal, but I mean, obviously I
knew other people had experienced it, but I guess I
didn't even realize the extent of how much it would
resonate with people on that front, and which is disturbing.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I'm sad and unfortunate that that is the case.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I mean, I just but luckily, I mean, I have
heard a lot yeah people saying I really felt like
I saw myself there and like it was just like
nice to be able to experience that and then see
her get her like happy ending and tell everyone to
fuck off and you know, the thing that we all
want to do in the end.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, And I think it's it's crazy to think that,
like we're in twenty twenty five and that is still happening,
and sometimes I think like things are starting to kind
of regress and get a little bit worse again, and
it's just insane that that's kind of where we're at.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, there's still all these boys clubs that we're trying to,
you know, get into or dismantle essentially or.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
The like calm and it's not calm in terminology, but
we're going back to the whole. That's a man's job, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
A blue pink and blue jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah. If I hear that, I get so angry, like
mm hm does.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Not exist in my house. No, But kind of going
along the same lines here, do you think that fiction
stories such as this can help push conversations about systemic
inequality in a meaningful way?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean i'd like to think so.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, we're doing it right now essentially, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I would like to think so.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I mean I think, you know, a lot of people
can scoff at fiction and say it's you can't learn anything,
it's not important.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
But we all know that's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
That they can be jumping off points for wider conversations
and they're about bigger things, not just people kissing, even if.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We love those parts.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
But yeah, I don't know. I think I do think
the world is just going backwards.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
So I don't know. I don't know what the future.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Looks, right. I feel that way too, Like where we
regressing back is like we've made so much progress when
you look at like history of where they were at
in the sixties, seventies, eighties, and like we never really
hit one hundred percent where we're all like there's no
full equality between one and the other, but it's.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Regressing, yes, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Okay, So you did note in the beginning of the book,
but also while you're talking to us here that some
of the story was inspired by your own experiences. Was
there a particular moment or a particular line in this
book that felt the most personal to you? If you
want to share, you also don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Actually, it's the very ending when she writes the letter
I had.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It wasn't even actually when I was an engineer anymore,
but in my previous work, in a previous work environment,
I kind of got to a point where I didn't
exactly write a letter like that, but I was pretty
close to it. So there was definitely something very personal there.
I mean, some of the like more lighthearted, like the
part at the very beginning where he asks her, on
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a scale of one to ten, how would you write me?
Like that was a real conversation somebody, Wow, the co worker,
but the co worker and we would like meet and
the other women in the office. We would always joke
around and we would be like, can you believe these
conversations we have? Like she gotta we got to write
a book about this one day.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Then I did.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I was like, Okay, I think I'm going to finally
read it. We were going to call it Conversations with
a seven. It was the other unofficial title.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I actually kind of love that too. I mean, there
you go, that's the sequel.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, but I know.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I love that, And I mean, like, I don't love
that that happened, but I as I pulled the book,
I find that, like one of my favorite moments too,
is I was telling read this right before, where right
in the beginning, she is talking about Rafe and it's
the whole fine Rafe Gallagher is a fucking eleven out
(07:03):
of ten, and then it ends with the uh oh
my god, it's like with you, with you, I'm always
a million out of ten.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And I was like, it's a cute way to kind
of like come full circle with it. Yeah, You're like,
I know, I wrote it, of course.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
It isn't it almost like I No, I didn't actually
originally plan it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
It just worked out though, exactly, And you know what,
I just kind of loved it because we started off
with the rating system and we ended off with the
rating system.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
In a way different kind of radios.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, it's like we changed the perspective of.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
The rating system.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I'm gonna as I move my question list because
of course I can't memorize anything. Nope, Rape clearly has
depth below beyond the slowber intension. What do you think
readers often misunderstand about him early on in the book
and what they kind of make the assumption of I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Mean, I think it's the same thing that Trist's assumes
about him.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Then he's just like.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Some privileged white guy, which he is, I mean, and
he very acknowledges it, but that he's like unaware of that.
And to me, this was one of the hardest parts
about writing this book is because she faces a lot
of sexism and some racism that like the controversy between
the two, like it could never come from him, right,
because that's not a redeemable quality, Like there's no going back.
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If that was the guy he is, like, he can't
be fixed and I can never never root for that guy.
So that was something I was really like careful about that,
that that never came from him, that he was like
doing the things that men should be doing when they
hear this stuff in their workplaces when they are in
a position of privilege. That he was doing the things
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he could, but still trapped within a system where you
can only ever do so much because the system is
working against you at every turn. So yeah, I mean,
I think the same assumptions that she makes are the
same ones that I don't know if the reader makes
original at the beginning. But I mean, although I also
think because you are looking at it as the reader,
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you realize he's probably been in love with her the
entire time, which you know is obviously my favorite kind
of trope.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But and I mean, like he felt like he was
protecting her from kind of the very beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Yeah, And she even says that where she's like, I
should be mad at him for trying to like white
night this, but like he thought he was doing the
right thing, and he's also working against a system that
you only have so much control over. Yeah, and he was, Yeah,
that he was trying to protect her the whole time.
But yeah, that was something I was like wanted to
be very careful about that for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I think even even with sorry I interrupt, MYHD
is so terrible. Now you go for it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No, that's fine. I don't even know what I was
saying anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, that's okay to see. That's all the reason why
I interrupt, because I'm like, I must get this thought
out right now before I completely forge off. But I
even think with Rafelake, he's kind of stuck in the
cycle of that whole privilege where this is my son,
he's going to take over, He's going to do this,
his son is going to take over, and it's like
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this planned hierarchy of how it's going to go when
he doesn't want that and just like kind of never
knew how to say he didn't want that, and kind
of got that encouragement from how she dealt with things
or she like just even being around her, And I
don't know, I love that like that growth too, where
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it's like, you know what, you can stand up for yourself.
You can say that I'm not doing this, like it's
not what I want.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, well okay.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So then obviously, like the chemistry between trist and Rafe
has been there the entire time. How did you approach
building the tension without rushing it too quickly, because right
off the hop you can feel all the tension between them.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I think it's a lot of walking it forward and
then pulling it back. Like there's a few moments where
they're like getting somewhere and then something happens and it
throws them off again. And sure, I could let them
get there sooner, but what would be the fun in that. Honestly,
they had to work through their stuff, and because they're
each carrying different kinds of baggage and that has nothing
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that kind of really has nothing to do with each other,
but converges in the same way because their lives are
sort of entwined because they you know, when you're at
the office, you end up spending just as many hours
with the people you work with as you do your
friends and family, so they can't help but sort of
be connected in that way.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It was just a making sure they were always you know,
riffing off each other, the banter always like never they're
always like giving back to each other.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Whether it was.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like yeah, when I felt to you like there was
this it was like a slow burn until not the
very end, but like it did take a while, and
then you're like, yay, they're together, and then you're like,
oh no, there's our conflict point. It's the resolution, and
like realistically, like once that conflict point hit and you're
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you're seeing it, it's not even one of those books
where it's oh my god, it's a complete misunderstanding. Both
of them are going their separate ways because they both
interpreted it wrong. It was kind of out of Rafe's control.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, it wasn't really between them.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It was more external factors that had to be resolved before.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They could exactly actually be with each other.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, I actually think I like that better than the
whole Oh my god, like I caught you and blah
blah blah, and like this is how I see it,
and this is how she sees it, and it's just
this whole. As a reader, you're like, oh my god,
you guys are looking at this backwards. And it's like, yeah,
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I liked the fact.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
That you have to be careful with a miscommunication trope
if you're going to do that. But although it's funny
to me when people have labeled this book in miscommunication
a couple of times, and I'm like them not being
able to convey their feelings yet is not a miscommunication.
That's just them not being there yet. That is not
a miscommunity.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Like you purposely Yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You purposely saying I'm not ready yet is not a miscommunication.
And like that's how human beings are. We're like terrified
to share our feelings, right Like that's and even like yeah,
like when I wrote Artifacts, when you get to the
fourth book, the relationship, the strife between the two of
them never is because of them, right, Like, it's never because.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They are solid.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
It's all external factors that are keeping them apart at
that point. And that, like, to me, that's probably always
how I write it. I don't think I would ever
be like blaming each other because I don't know it
just to.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Me, that doesn't it's like it doesn't make for a
solid future.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, have you ever read what is it?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Gosh, why can't I remember the author? It'll come back
to me. But did you read rooum hate?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I don't even know what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Maybe I'll send you on good Reads or on Instagram.
But it was a book. I think it was Penelope
Ward actually, but I might be wrong, but it was
one of those books that I found it was the
right place, wrong time twice in a row, because it
was almost well, it was written in three parts, so
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part one it's more so his side that it's not
the right time, and then second time it's more her
side it's not the right time, and then kind of
in the end, like you see things kind of resolve
and work out. And it's one of those stories that
initially I didn't read because it had a human on it,
and sometimes I cannot read books with like humans on
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the cover. Yeah, and this was a weird one. I
just wasn't sure and then I said, no, I'll read
it anyways, and I'm so glad I read it. It
was a really really good book. But I'm just making
kind of that reference of like it is like the
right time, maybe the wrong moment, But things like that
are are nice to read sometimes too.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, if you had to write a bonus chapter from
Rafe's perspective, of course, besides the wedding night, which scene
would you choose? In Why?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I actually do have another one written that is an
extended version. You know, when they're you know, when they
come back from the dessert buffet and they're like talking
about their fantasies and he's like, I want you to
crawl to me.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I actually have that written because it was actually a
bonus chapter for people who pre ordered Nice, So eventually
I will share that with everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
But or the fantasy where it's like throw me over
your shoulder, take me to your stone.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, I know with me, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
That's where the fantasy started.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
The fantasy there came out, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was like, h I found it so kind of
following that, would you ever consider or have you ever
thought about writing kind of a sequel and maybe even
focused on one of the side characters, like a redemption
arc for Hannah or kind of exploring something with Molly,
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or even giving us the land and Gabrielle or gab
Gabrielle Gabrielle.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, No, I don't want to write Hannahs story.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
She doesn't interest me. No, my next droum.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I do have two more rom coms coming, and then
they're all going to be their own books like Sandals. Yeah.
The next one is the next one's actually set in
Churchill in Manitoba at a polar Bear lodge, which I'm
currently Yes, no one has ever written a romance set
in Churchill.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for this.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, because I worked for Child and Manitoba for years,
so like I went up to Churchill many times and
it is just like one of the most magical places
you can ever go. If you've never been, I highly
recommend it and.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Take amazing Take me to Churchill. Somehow I've amazed done
so much, Like I got to write a book set
up there.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
So she's like a travel influencer and photographer who's this
is the connecting theme is that there's travel and the
FMC is like having a career crisis, so like she's struggling.
She needs to get like the money shot on this trip.
And he's the grumpy lodge owner who doesn't want her
there and why and they end up having to share
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the family wing in a bathroom and you know how,
you know how these things go.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
But I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I can't wait, So I don't know, Like I think
with the romanticy, I'm always writing a lot of series.
It can get like it's hard to write a seriie
sometimes because I'm a panther. I don't plot, so like
sometimes trying to keep track of everything is a lot.
So the rum coms are sort of like a rest
for me in that it's just a standalone book.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's done.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I can do like a little nod to a past book,
like if you Caught the Easter Egg in not Safer
Work from Rule of the Hurriking. A lot of people
caught that, some people, and I probably would do that
in the future, but yeah, they're mostly going to be
all standalones unless I can add a character that feels
right or another story.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
But there wasn't anybody not safe for work.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
That long long sister, Yeah, oh yeah, I mean she
didn't really have a sibling to write about, and and
like doing Moll, like my brand will always be writing
brown girls, so like doing her white friend does not
fit in with that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So yeah, no, that's totally valid. I think that like
writing books with characters that you can kind of relate
to is important. And I don't mean that in a
weird way. I mean you're able to take your own
personal experiences and like my personal experiences might be different
or yours might be different, and being able to kind
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of add that in. I don't know if that's the
right way to word that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Even in the case of this book. I obviously can't
relate to Trishara from a cultural or heritage background, but
as a female in a male dominated workplace, I can
definitely relate to her in that way.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yeah, right, But I don't think you need to relate
to it, right, You're every.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Time that I want a book, Yeah, and every time
you read a book, you can't resonate with every single
experience that that character is having.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
The point is you're reading a book about other.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
People's experiences and expanding your horizons, and like, right, it
doesn't matter if you haven't actually experienced that, that's right,
Like yeah, And I mean this is the problem with
a lot of publishing in general, Like, I mean, I
write it because it's representation, because the Roman genre is
incredibly white. Yeah, And then people will say things like
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I can't relate because I'm not it's not a white girl,
like right, Like why not? You can relate to a green,
seven foot tall, blue alien, but you can't relate you
can have brown skin, like what the hell barbarian?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Right, So it's.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Very much like you don't have to have experienced it,
But that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, No, I think you're right. In representation right, and
we're starting to see more even like heavier girls and
the representation there which hasn't always been there. I mean
when you look at a lot of past reading girls
are portrayed as this skinny, blonde, blue eyed girl, that's
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not the case. Like we are all different, right, and
I'm I'm really loving the the representation you're starting to
see now, which like widespread, no wide wide range of
representation in different different types, right, if that makes sense.
I feel like my wording is so bad today.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No, you're doing good.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
But to switch gears just a little bit. Uh, it's
still about the book, I promise. These ones are just
kind of more fun questions. If if you had to
create a soundtrack, what so this is three parters, if
you had to add a song that just kind of
represented the book overall, what would what would you think of?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, it actually gets mentioned in the book. It's Exile
by Taylor Swift. I go, this was my twenty twenty
comfort song. I have listened to it eleventy billion times yep.
And I was listening to it when I wrote that book.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Why I love that? I wrote this question down and
I was like, okay, three, you've got to find me
an answer to and I'm not gonna lie. I said
just a girl by no doubt as well, because I
was like that could that could be a banger?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Like, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, do.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You have one? Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You don't know me, Leslie Gore. We've talked about this
song before.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We have one.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh it's an old like sixty song.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You don't okay, I'll have to listen. Yeah, okay, No,
I do know that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I just had to serenade you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I just needed a little a little mark there you go.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
For like Trist's her personal journey, and it could also
be the exact same song. But like, if you had
to pick one that's not exile, what would you say
for her journey itself?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well, keeping in the vein of Taylor Swift as Who's
afraid of Little Old Me?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Probably would be for her.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yep, that's a money song. Don't even mention our choices
because that's yeah, that's amazing. Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I mean, do you want to know what our choice was?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I do.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It was our joint choice.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It was Strong Younger by Kelly Clarkson's The Stronger What
Doesn't Kill You makes you stronger.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Like it, like it?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Okay, And our last one that I have on here
is Rafe's Big Realization Moment.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
A song for that. Yeah, that was a hard one, right.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Like that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I don't know you guys have one.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I do, but I don't know like what you're going
to think about it. But I put down It's My
Life by bon Jovi.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Mm hmm oh.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I like that because it's like making Yeah, I'm making
that decision right now for me, and I'm what I
want to do. Yeah, it's my life now or never.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I like that. All right, that's now my officially my
answer for whoever.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Asks me that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Yeah, because I'm so I'm actually so bad at like
when people have all these playlists, I'm like, I can never.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I don't know, I'm not that clever.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Just go listen to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
It's fine, Yeah, just listen to Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'm sure there's a song that applies in every.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Situation exactly, and like all of the albums like can
fit somewhere, Like I mean, yeah, I can find songs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh yeah, there's definitely one that fits.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, I know that. I I've actually asked you this
question for trial of the Sun Queen. But if Not
Safe for Work was adapted to the screen, who would
you cast.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh I'm so bad at this.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, don't worry.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I want I want Ben Barnes for for Race.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's a good one. H that's a good one about.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And then maybe what's her name, Simone? Ashley Simone? Hey, yes,
I think that's her name.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Like that that's way better than our choices. No, yeah,
like on par on part I have done for Tris
Frieda Pinto from slum Dog Millionaire. And then Miles Teller
for raithe.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I love.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I don't know who Miles Teller is. I'm looking them
up sea, you know what, Like yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Miles Teller because like the big muscles all of that.
Because when you watched when you watched Maverick, like the
second Maverick movie, Yeah, top Gun, there we go, but
it's top Gun Maverick. Yeah I got this. Yeah, like
you watch that football scene or the like beach football
and you're like, damn, those are both good choices. Yeah, okay,
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I put Naomi Scott from the live action Aladdin.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, she's beautiful too.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
He's beautiful. And then when you said Ashley Simone I
was like, hey, but I put down Hannah Simone, who
was in New Girl.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
What she looks like? She's yeah, she would be great too. Yes,
maybe one.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Day, who knows. I always say these questions are just funcause.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I love why not?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
So to kind of finish this off, this might be
a harder question. But if you had to pick a
line or something to quote in this book, what would
you what would you pick? It's tough.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That's a tough fun.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I can tell you what I did. Yeah, okay, So
the one that I put was there's nothing unmissible about you.
That's all I meant that, there isn't anywhere you could
go where everyone wouldn't notice you.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I personally would love to have Miles Teller saying that
to me, say that, yeah, in a sweet voice, with
those eyes just bearing into my soul.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Or my partner's not listening right now.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
That's okay. Book boyfriends are different.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah. The tris Can I see you in my office
of course, mister Gallagher, Yes, Miles anytime. No, I love it.
Do you have any point in the book that kind
of stood out for you?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I loved And I don't know if this is
a personal experience thing for you when they crashed the wedding.
Oh my god, no, that's so awesome and just something
I wasn't expecting. Have you ever crashed a wedding?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Meche not not like that?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh whoa, you're saying not like that, but you have
well not to that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I don't know. I thought I ever crashed a wedding.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I don't know, not to that extent where you're like
actually joining the wedding.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah. I love the part too where the like bride
goes up and she's like, excuse me, do I know you?
She's like, staycy do.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You don't She's like, my name's Michelle, my name's Michelle, Security,
what are you doing? And Rafe's just like you call
her Stacy.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, that's what made it funnier exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I was like, that's so good. You blew the cover.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, I have, I have my line that it would
either be I'll follow you anywhere trists. But also one
of my favorites was when he says to her, your
ass is so hot, fucking hot that skirt, And I
was remember writing that and I was like, oh my god,
I can't believe I just heard that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That I want to fall to my knees.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And yeah, or the text when they're in their session,
he's like, cross your way on.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That scene with them and the where they're doing the
three questions about each other?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Was I think my favorite one?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my gosh, yes, Or it's funny too, how the
like find your match and they were salt and pepper
and you're like, there are just so many things that
are like trying to pull them together.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Here they're supposed to be I know where they were
helpless against the forces of the UNI.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, like they possibly do. Yeah, they were just consistently
pulled together. Yeah, it was meant to be. Goodbye, Hannah.
We don't need you, Hannah. Hannah stopped calling. I will
you get a grip? Yeah? Why didn't he block her?
Like they felt bad?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Feel bad?
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He was like, didn't want to blow up the family
thing and felt bad.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
He's a nice guy, but still, Hannah, nice guy. Go away.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah. Oh man. But wrapping things up, thank you so
much Niche for coming on and talking about your book
Not Safe for Work. It was fantastic. I think our
readers enjoyed it. I'm super looking forward to your next
book based in Churchill Manitoba. I will be looking out
for that one, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, that'll be next. I think July is the current
what they have right now.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
But yeah, I'm going to add to they said.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
They said, have we ever had a cover with a
polar bear on it?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And I'm like, I think it's I.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Like it time.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean, the one thing I want to kind of
share before we we end off. I have no idea
how I did it, but I was reading the book
while listening to the audio and like skipping through. So
I'm like listening to the first part of the chapter.
I get to about the halfway point of audio, and
I've already finished the actual chapter. So then I'm like, okay, Alexa,
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please play chapter twenty. And then I finished chapter twenty
and it's like, Alexa, pause, please play chapter twenty one.
And I'm like Ben sitting beside me, and He's like,
you didn't even finish the chapter.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I was like, yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I read it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I did on the words.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I read the words, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Eyeball reading instead of your reading exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
But we are so lucky to have been able to
arrange it. You're on our podcast. We got to talk
about your amazing book. We are so excited to see
what's coming next, especially the Churchill book.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Lots lots of things are coming next. Oh my god,
next few years are all set?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You have it all planned?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, I mean you signed contracts for books like well
into the future, so yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
There's so Then here's my here's my last question for you.
Do you have any future fantasy or romanticy books coming?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I do, Yeah, I just accepted not prefer another trilogy,
Reminer trilogy, and that will be the first book, will
come in twenty twenty seven, which I know seems far away,
but it's actually.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And it will be a.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I'm comping at the Hurricane Wars meets a Handmaid's Tale
because there's a little bit of a like dystopian vibe.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
To it, but not like breathing kink.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
It's like, but it's the main character. It's enemies to
love second chance. They betrayed each other. They're now like separated.
Her only goal is to get back and make him
pay for the way he betrayed her. They have to
fuck her. They'll die because they're also faded mates. I've
had so much fun with that. I think, like I
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had to write like the first few chapters for the
publisher because it was my option book. Like when you
sign a contract, they like get to look at the
next thing you write. So I just I wrote like
forty pages of it or something, and I do. I
feel like it's my best writing so far. My friend
she was like, how do you keep getting better?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And it's like stop.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It, like, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Stop and stop it.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But yes, so that will be Yeah, so there will
be the Dystopian Ya, there'll be two books. There will
be two more Roum coms coming, and then there will
be three books coming in the Romantic series for sure,
and then who knows what else in the next but
for sure all of those things.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So excited.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I am to seven books on the line here. That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh my gosh, I don't even want to say goodbye
to you.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I know, I just just keep talking all day.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I just want to talk.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
We can do this again next year.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We're going to have to do this again.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Next year we're going to be diving into the Churchill book.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, with maybe a trip to Churchill to go see.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, let's just a podcast in Churchill.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Amazing, We'll see you there.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Have to do a book launch.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I'm just said to my I need to go to
my publisher and be like, we need to do a
book launch in Churchill, don't we.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I don't know if there's enough people up there to
make a book launch.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Do you know these two girls Lessonry are going to
come with yeast?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I don't know if anyone else is coming.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
At least.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
There's kind of hard to get there.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
It's kind hard to get there.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, long train ride.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, it's a quick flight.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
But that's true too. I feel like you have to have.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
To come here, but you have to get here first,
so it's not it's not easy. Part of its magic
is that it's hard to get to because you cannot
drive up there.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
There are no roads.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And part of the magic is the fact that you
are truly in the middle of nowhere because it's like
not even easy to get to. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, it keeps it kind of special too.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, it does. It keeps it special.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I mean there's only like eight hundred town residents and
a thousand polar bears, right, like they outnumber the town residents.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Church in town, it's not yes, yeah, little town. I
actually got into an argument with my one friend about
this because we're talking about okay, but like where did
the polar bears come from, like in Manitoba, Like how
do they get there? And she's like, well, the Hudson Bay.
And I was like, what are you talking about? Like
you are smoking?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
She's right, I know, she's right.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
She pulled up happened. She's like, look, Hudson Bay. I
was like, I didn't realize. I didn't realize it was
that big.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I thought it was just well, then it's unique because
it's so accessible, like polar bear when you go north
and north like it's much harder to get to. It's
the most accessible polar bear population in the world, which
is part of what makes it so interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean unless you're going to go further north.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean like you can go yeah, and you can
go like on what they call like almost a safari
where you could.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You literally walk.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
And this is where the book is based. It's in
a lodge, like very loosely based on a real life
place that exists.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You actually go and you walk, you.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Walk around all day and you are like you get
like crazy close to polar bears that you know, it's wow,
that are the world's most deadly land predator. Like people
don't understand how dangerous they actually are. But they you
go with the bear guide. I mean, they know what
they're doing, like it's a whole operation. It is one
of the coolest things you'll ever do.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
It is just incredible.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I mean, I'm not gonna lie. The biggest fact that
I can remember about polar bears and I remember hearing
it and I was like, no, you guys, like you're
making this up. That's that's false news. But polar bears
aren't actually white. They have those like tubular it's like
their fur. Yeah, And I'm like, no, like, you guys
(35:45):
are so out to lunch, but then no, they are
at it's like a reflection.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
They are fascinating creatures and their whole environment is so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And yeah, I mean, go polar bears. Let's save the polars.
They're beautiful and I think they're very pretty, but it
would eat me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh man, again, thank you so much, Niche for coming on.
We're looking forward to talking to you again next year.
And for anybody who has got this far and hasn't
read the book, go get Not Safe for Work.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes. McNally Robinson has a copy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Thank you again, Nische for coming on. It was so
great to chat with you and have you here and
we'll catch you next time.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Okay, sounds good. Thanks for having me see later.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Thanks see you Hi.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, guys, that was Nisha. I absolutely love talking to Nisha.
That's my second time talking to her virtually actually, and
I have gotten to meet her in real life. So guys, hey, yeah,
Niche's the best. Make sure you guys go follow her
on Instagram and check out her books if you haven't already.
Not Safe for Work as the newest one, but makes
you guys, check out The Trial of a Sun Queen.
(36:52):
That entire series is really really good. So ree, do
you want to announce our next book club pick?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes? Next month we are reading One Golden Summer by
Carly Fortune.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Guys, she's another Canadian author and we're so excited to
kind of dive into that one. I do have a
feeling we're not gonna be talking about this one until
closer to the end of the summer. We have so
many guests coming up in the next couple of episodes.
I'm really excited. I think Ree is really excited, very excited.
(37:27):
We don't want to spoil anything, so I won't say
much more than that, but you're gonna wanna tune in
for it. It's gonna be wicked.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So go get your copy of One Golden Summer and
we will see you guys here next time, talking all
things book.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm Ree, I'm less, and we will see you next time.
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