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June 29, 2025 58 mins
This week we’re talking all things Just for the Summer by Abby Jimenez—and wow, did this one sneak up on us emotionally. What started as a light, flirty summer romance quickly turned into a deeper conversation about timing, grief, and whether “just for now” can ever really be enough. We’re breaking down the themes that hit hardest, the questions we couldn’t stop asking, and the moments that had us texting each other in all caps. (You’ve been there.)

And of course, we’re announcing our next Book of the Month—so if you’re reading along with us, stay tuned for what’s coming up next.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every guy who pretends to forget his wallet on a date,
one thousand percent sleeps on a foot on or a
mattress on the floor. So she gets guys to send
her a picture of their bed before she shows up,
and deducts points for sleeping bags as blankets, even if
they do have a headboard, because sleeping bags are floor energy,

(00:23):
which is true. If I was going to meet a
guy at his house after a few dates, let me
phrase this very carefully, if he had a sleeping bag
on his bed, I would probably leave. Hey, I'm less
and I'm Marie. This is not that kind of book club.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
A bookish podcast for we read it so you don't
have to. Hey, guys, welcome to episode three. Yeah, we
are super excited today we get to talk about our
book club read. But before we get into things.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Before we get into that, of course, let's take a
minute just to acknowledge the insane wildfires that are happening
through northern Saskatchewan Manitoba right now, because it's affecting our
air here, it's affecting so many people who have properties
up north, and just sending goodness out to that. Let's
send some thoughts of rain. We definitely need some some

(01:35):
just moisture.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I yeah, I am sending all of my thoughts to
those who have been evacuated and those who are essentially
or could be losing their homes or have already lost
their homes. I think that even just seeing some of
the pictures, it's absolutely terrifying. And I've had a lot
of conversations about this where you'd go outside and you're like, wow,

(02:00):
I can't breathe. This is this is terrible, Like I
hate smoke, but just kind of changing your thoughts to
it might be really smoky here in Saskatoon, but I
couldn't imagine up north, and we're just kind of sending
our best that direction. I feel like it's very important
to acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yea, because it's devastating communities right now.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, So taking kind of our own deep breaths here
emotionally and literally, we're going to dive into something a
bit lighter for our episode today. But before we dive in,
I have a question.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
For yourie O, what's up?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So let me let me figure out what my question is.
I actually know what my question is. I just want
a word it correctly because then it will sound better
than the improvisation that's in my brain. Yeah, but what
is the best Starbucks drink ever or your go to
coffee place for coffee? And we're going to discuss why
yours or why mine is the best? Because nothing goes

(02:57):
with books better than caffeine.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay, I'm pretty plain. I will gladly take a latte
eyster hot with just a couple splenda, just a little
bit sweetness. It's super basic. You can go pretty much
anywhere and it's gonna be relatively the same thing. Just
the coffee blend changes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, So the worst part is, like I kind of
agree with you. I'm I have two different moods for coffee. Yeah,
if I'm waking up in the morning, I love milk
and coffee. It's my favorite thing. So that's pretty much
what I make in the morning. But for the sake
of this conversation, I'm going to put it out there
that one of the best coffees when you need something

(03:41):
sweet or caffeinated or milky, whatever, it's Starbucks caramel macchiados.
That is completely basic, but it's just like my go
to and like, realistically it's pretty much a latte, but
you just go and sometimes it's like, you know what
I'll want, like half sweetness, and it still just hits

(04:03):
that spot.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, if I'm going to Starbucks, I'm probably going to
get a blonde row skinny, sugar free even blatte.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Why should like I get sugar free? But I'm also like,
I don't always like to give me give me the caramel,
like line my cup with caramel. Okay, fair, is there
sugar free caramel? Probably I should just ask for sugar
caramel whatever. I it's my guilty pleasure. You want to
know the worst part. You know what we could?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You can get sugar free everything, but.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
If we make a caramel sauce out of splendor, there's an.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Idea, you know what? That sounds like I'm gonna have
to do some work in the kitchen, and I just
don't feel like right now.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
If anything, I like, when I have a latte, I
put brown sugar in it. I don't know what it is.
I just love brown sugar and that's what I put
in it, and it just makes me happy.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Brown sugar's taste.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Okay, I gotta tell you this story, so please yesterday,
Well it won't be yesterday when this episode airs, but
I had just had one of those back to back
really long days, and my friend who I was working
with at the time, like, we're not even working at
this point. It's yeah, it's his job, I guess, but
it's not my job. I was just kind of there
to support, yeah, and I was like, you know what,

(05:19):
I need to get a coffee, what do you want?
And he tells me what he wants, and I go,
I pick them up. They're on the table, And let
me preface, I'm frickin tired at this point, Like I
need like eight hours of sleep to function, and I
think I got five. And I know that sounds bad
because there's so many people that only get like three
or four hours of sleep, but like my body doesn't

(05:40):
function because I have to take medication at night and
then I can't wake up. But that's not the point.
Point is I'm sitting there, I'm doing some calculation things
for him, and I accidentally elbow my coffee off the table.
Not even his coffee, your own mind, my coffee. I
had one sip of my coffee and then it was

(06:01):
on the floor and I literally sat there and I
just stared at it for a minute because I didn't
even know how to react. And then the papers that
I was working on started flying away the disappointment, and
he's like, you can't let them fly away, and I'm
just staring. I'm like, I just dumped my entire coffee
on the ground. And he looks. He's like, oh, that's
the worst.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, just the devastation, and.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm just like, man, why couldn't I have knocked the
iced tea iced chai latte off the table? Why am
i Carama.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Makia not my own drink.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, it's very it's very sad. But okay, let's talk
about this month's read. I also have it right here.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Just for the summer.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I actually just gonna come back to it. I love
this cover. I really love.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
This It is super cute. If you look at it closely,
you've got the two main characters. You've got the dog
that is also named Brad.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
For those who have read the book, I mean, if
you know Chad is the pen name for Brad. Yes. Yes,
Also there's a reading group guide in here. Hey, and
I didn't realize that till right now. So now this
is intriguing. Wow, But some of these questions have very
long answers.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, and Also, this is part of his series, so
we didn't read the first couple of books in this series.
But you know what, we didn't read this part. Let
me give you a quick synopsis on what this book
is actually about, Like this is essentially like the back
page of the book that is talking about. I did
finish this. I enjoyed it thoroughly, but so Just for

(07:31):
the Summer by Abby jim Inez. It's a romance that
starts with a Reddit thread and a wild idea that
somehow makes perfect sense. So Justin believes he's cursed. Every
woman he dates finds her soulmate just after dumping him.
When Emma slides into his DMS claiming the same thing
happens to her. The two hatch of plan date each other,

(07:52):
break up, cancel out the curse, which in theory should
be easy. Right. So it starts as a lighthearted experiment,
turns into something deeper when Emma, a travel nurse, ends
up on assignment in Minnesota where Justin lives q a
cozy island cottage. Surprise, family obligations, Emma's emotionally volatile mother,

(08:12):
and two people who didn't mean to fall in love.
It's supposed to be just a summer fling, but fate
might have other plans.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I was gonna say they did technically break the curse.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
They did, That's wild.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I just thought of that. Sorry. So I kind of
wanted to start this off with kind of like what
were the key takeaways of this book and what we liked,
what we disliked. So I think the biggest thing here
is it's like a fake dating book, yes, but it
has that twist to it right where it's like it's
starting with a Reddit curse or like the Reddit theme

(08:48):
and kind of turning into something more heartfelt. I know
a lot of people who don't necessarily like romance. Yep,
this one reads a lot like a women's fiction book.
So yeah, it is that predictable romance. It's heartfelt. There's
moments where you laugh, moments you cry, moments you smile,
and moments you just want to close the book and
walk away from it.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's you go through so many emotions just reading through
this book, because there's so many twists and turns that
you are really not expecting at all, especially not having
read the first two books in the series.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, and I find like Emma and Justin, they're both
very lovable characters, and they kind of become those characters
that you root for, and I know, like in a
lot of romance books, yeah, you root for the main characters,
but at the same time, this one is just so
much it's so different because they have all these other
things in this curse and all this stuff that's kind
of gone on in their lives that you don't know

(09:41):
until you read the book. But it's one of those
things where I'm like, no, like I actually do want
them to kind of end up together. I will.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, he was rooting for them the whole time. And you've,
of course, you've got Emma who's got mostly an anxious,
avoidant attachment style they talk about in the book, and
so she's she's a one foot out kind of girl
the entire time you're reading through the book. So it's
a Okay, can she get through this? How is she
going to get through it? How is she going to
break this attachment style and be able to stay with

(10:11):
Justin because you want them to be together. They have
such a cute little story.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, and especially as a travel nurse, right like yes,
wanting to stay and I feel like, again, if you
read the book, she kind of planned it in a
way for her to stay in Minnesota because she did
kind of want to explore this. She was very curious, right,
And I think that this book itself is a reference
to like when you read certain romance books, like some

(10:36):
can get spicy or some some people don't like that
part of a book, right, They don't want to read that.
They want more of a closed door, yes romance.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
But just what this is.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I would say though, I would say it's an
open door romance, but it's it's not how do I
word that? Like, it's not like an overbearing where like
you're in the room watching them have sex.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
One sex scene.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, Like, it's it's light, emotionally grounded, and it's very
very easy to skip if that's your preference, big time.
But I think the biggest takeaway I'm going to mention
is if there's any book that you're going to read
over the summer, it should be this one. You guys
will love it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And it's a fairly easy read too. So I originally
started it on audiobook and then ran into having some
extra time at home, so I flipped back and forth
a few times between reading it and listening to the audiobook.
Which I really enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I actually did the same thing when I started. It
was the audiobook, but I also was trying to like
pinpoint sections on audible and like it works fine, but
like it gives you like thirty seconds, and I'm like,
I would rather just open the book and find what
I was looking for then go back and listen to it. Yes,
is what I learned. But this book is really and
truly for those who like romance and those who are

(11:51):
very into women's fiction. Yes, I also think that it's
not it's not your go to genre per se, and
you might actually you might be surprised as to how
it does read as both those genres. I also think
like people who aren't afraid to read about real heartfelt

(12:11):
issues and things that potentially could be traumatizing or triggering
for people, right because a lot of the stuff that
happens are real things that could be happening. It's not
like those romance books where it's like this happened, and
this happened, and this happened, and you're like, the actual
likelihood of that all happening is not realistic. But this is, like,

(12:33):
it's a very real and I think it will resonate
with a lot of people totally.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I mean, you have the topics of Emma's mom being
emotionally unstable, to put it very kindly, so she's going
through a lot of different things with that and having
to open up wounds from her childhood with all the
abandonment issues.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
And then Shepherd and then you have Justin with an
incarcerated mom.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, which is and all of a sudden, he's taking
care of three young kids.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah. And I was gonna say, and three girls.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
No, Alex is a boy I forgot. Yeah, Alex, Sarah
and Chelsea. They've got a bit of an age.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
There's a large age gap if you think about it,
because Justin's not in his teens, which another thing I
resonate when, like the main character in this book, she's
twenty eight turning twenty nine, I am also twenty eight
turning twenty nine. So for me, whatever, you can just
lie and say you are, But for me, I read

(13:33):
this and I'm not like, oh my god, why are
you acting like this? Because if I read about sixteen seventeen,
eighteen year olds, you're like In, when I was seventeen,
I was not doing this shit. And like Kate like
to the extent that some of them are, but this
was very It was kind of nice just being able

(13:53):
to read something that kind of resonated and I felt
that it was realistic, especially at someone the same age, right. Yeah.
And I think the biggest thing too, is this is
actually a really great book for a book club because
there are so many things that you can touch on,
and this is definitely one of those books that if
you did a book club where you touch base every week,

(14:14):
it would be a really great one. And if you're
somebody who is touching base just at the end of
the month, again, there are so many pieces that you
can kind of work through and dissect in this book
that I think it would be perfect for a book club.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I think so too. I mean, we did it for
our book club, so why not do it for your
in person book club. And there's some really a few
of the amusing things that I read through and had
to stop right away and make notes of them is
Maddie and Emma are talking at the beginning about different
kinds of red flags and green flags and guys, and

(14:49):
Maddie says he's got a bed frame which is a
green flag because the closer to the floor. The bed
is the worst humans. They are. Every guy who p
to forget his wallet on a date one thousand percent
sleeps on a foot on or a mattress on the floor.
So she gets guys to send her a picture of
their bed before she shows up, and de ducks points

(15:13):
for sleeping bags as blankets, even if they do have
a headboard, because sleeping bags are floor energy. Which is true.
If I was going to meet a guy at his
house after a few dates, let me phrase this very carefully,
if he had a sleeping bag on his bed, I

(15:33):
would probably leave well, and like a sleeping bag one
pillow thing, But like, uh, when.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Was the last time you washed your sleeping bag?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Exactly? Do you have sheets on the bed.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Too, because like, I'm not trying to be gross here,
but like I don't know when the last time I
washed my sleeping bag was because I don't use them
anymore for camping. But like, even if you did wash
it and then rolled it up and then used it
five years later, I'd probably wash it. It's gonna be dusty.
And then like.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Boys are gross with boys are gross, So in that
we'll stop.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, So in that in that same chapter, I I like, sorry,
I had to find it because I always like pinpoint
them on good roots. And I'm like, hey, I don't remember,
but the uh the one friend says, I don't see
any red flags here other than he's got a J name,
J named men are the worst. And I was just

(16:25):
reading that and I actually full stop agree with that.
So I mean, you can't full stop agree with that.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, I can't. My partner has a name, so you
know what. He's the exception to the rule.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, I can't remember where it is, but do you
remember when Maddie said, oh, you just want to add
to your spank bank. I literally cackled and I had
to like pause in the audiobook, and I ended up
texting myself from like texted texted or talk to text,
and I had to send it to myself because I

(16:58):
was like, I need to remember that. That's fricking funny.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
There was another good one pretty early on in the
book where Justin is talking to his aunt and she's
talking about going on a bumble date in half an hour,
and he says, I'm gonna audiobook read this to you guys.
It's just a small section.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Justin.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I pulled my face back a date. What happened to
George is at Lee, he's gone justin May God rest
his soul. He blinks at her, your boyfriend died. Well,
he's dead to me, And I was like, oh my gosh,
the sass of this lady.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I kind of love it, though, and like that's just yeah,
and like this is an aunt, like if my.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
As oh my gosh, it's always still Like I.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Feel like I can't even picture this because like all
my aunts are married to my uncles, and like if
I had an aunt who was not married, and like
that was the reaction. Man, I think we'd be best friends.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh I think so too.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, Like I keep reading, I keep telling my mom
and my mom my sister. I'm like, okay, let's like
create these dating profiles. I honest see kind of what
the people are out there, because I've been in the
same relationship since I was nineteen, so like the dating
world has changed. And I'm not saying I want.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
To be in the dating room.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Please, you couldn't pay me enough, but like I do
think that that's hilarious, Oh my gosh, and like he's
dead to me, he's dead to me? Or also the
billboard outside of his window toilet.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
King billboard, which just keeps coming up throughout the book.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I just think it's so funny because yeah, it just
like continued coming up. But like this poor guy, his
roommate moves out, and the landlord's like, oh, we'll just
move you to the studio. It'll be cheaper for you,
no worries. Then you wait till like your lease is done,
and like if anyone knows, like studio apartments are really small, yes,
and like he only had like the one wall of
windows and the only thing he could see was this billboard,

(18:49):
like nothing else, and it's just this plunger plunging a
toilet and it's like what the plunge king or something.
The toilet came, the toilet came, guys, I have a
really bad memory. It's okay, So yeah, I just think
that that is that's something. I don't think I could
live there. Like I think I'd go back to my

(19:10):
landlord and be like, hey, i've been here a day,
please move me back to my own friends.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
I will pay more money to not have this billboard
right outside my window.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, no, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, let's dive by some questions. Okay, also full full stop.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
If you have not read the book and you are
planning to read the book, please stop here and then
once you've read the book, come back to this exact point,
and then we don't spoil anything. But if you choose
to proceed, you're not allowed to get mad that there
are spoilers coming on.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
You're not, so let's start spoiling. At the end of
the book, Justin gives examples of the best kind of
love being small things and not grand gestures. He lists
the n piece of bread so that his partner can
have the middle, making sure her car has gas, giving
her the jacket and the cold. What kind of gestures
melt your heart? And what small gestures do you like?

(20:09):
And what do you do for others? And those small gestures?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, and I think too, like I can relate to
this in a way, but like personally it's those like
small like well, clearly those small things, but I feel
like it's that everyday act of thoughtfulness. Right, Yes, I
know with this sounds so silly, But my partner he'll
always keep a bag of Miss Vicky's chips in the
pantry because a they're my favorite and like out of

(20:35):
now he'll just like bring them to me and I'm like, oh,
like that was a great surprise. Or Mars bars, those
are my guilty pleasure. Yeah, and sorry, I'm like moving
away from this, but to me, this is still a
thoughtful thing. And for Christmas, he bought me an entire
box of Mars Bars, like wrapped it up as my
Christmas gift and yeah, like I got it as a gift.
But for me that was hilarious and purposeful because he

(20:58):
knows that that's kind of my go to if I'm
sad and I need chocolate. He just randomly has a
Mars Bars, even though I know that they're in the
in the pantry too, but it's just different when he
brings it to you exactly. And like those small things
at home, I have OCD. I think I will say
that in almost every episode because the little, tiny things
are what I notice. So last night I came home

(21:21):
and he had loaded the dishwasher and unloaded the dishwasher,
And for me, that's huge, right, it's those tiny things.
Or all of a sudden he made the bed or
he changed the bed sheets and I didn't have to
ask him to do it, and he just did it
right and little things like that. And he'll also occasionally
I'll come home and Wow, my car has gas. So

(21:44):
I think that, And how about you, I want to
know kind of what the things resonate with you before
we talk about, like the things that we like to
do for others that kind of fill our soul.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Okay, So I drive in and out of this city.
I have the bit of a bit of a commute,
so I put on quite a bit of mileage, and
every week my partner checks the oil in my vehicle
just to make sure that it's running properly. So it
is something that I would probably never do and my
vehicle would blow up on me. But he makes sure

(22:14):
that the oil levels are good and that it's running
smoothly and I'm not going to have any issues that
week with it. Oh, I love it too, because jeep
problems and I don't want to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Preach, preach, I mean again, if anyone knows me like
my jeep, I love jeeps, guys, but like jeeps are
also a pain in the butt. I mean, this one
was kind of out of my control, but I hit
a deer.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And I how we met.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, she's my mustache, But guys, like I hit a
deer and it took them three and a half months
to fix my car because all of the Jeep parts
are patented, which means you can only buy them from
Jeep and the only place in Canada that has that
big Jeep warehouse is in Ontario, and then if they

(23:04):
don't have it, they have to get it from the States.
So don't break your jeeps, please. It's the worst thing ever.
But I also wouldn't trade my Jeep for the world.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I love my Jeep.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I do love my Jeep until it breaks, yep. Okay,
So then what are those things that, like you, you
kind of do for others without thinking that, Like they're
those small, tiny things that other people appreciate. So like,
what can you do for your partner that kind of
like he appreciates without him asking.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You, making sure there's leftovers in the fridge, and then
when he takes them, even though I've been looking forward
to them, I don't get mad when he takes my
leftovers for lunch.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
So I uh, I get that, yep, But my partner
and I both don't like leftovers. We're the worst.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
You're the weird ones.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
What I grew up where all my parents would do
is like they'd make food and then we'd have so
much of it and they're like, oh, we'll just have
leftover for dinner. And I'm like, this is the third
time I've had leftovers for dinner, which also makes it
sound like my parents didn't cook. We just we did.
But they were busy too, and we played sports and
all of those things too. But I think, I think

(24:14):
what my partner kind of I know he appreciates it
and laundry. His least favorite thing in the world is
doing laundry. And if I'm being frank, I don't necessarily
love laundry either. But I did all of the laundry
last week. I hung everything up in the closet and wow.
He came home and he looked at me. He's like, wow,
Like I really appreciate that, Alessia. And I was like,

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it's a little thing, right, Like it was a long
task to do, but if I'm home all day and
it's it's very minimal, but it means something.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yes, even as simple as making the bed first thing
in the morning, so you come home, your partner comes home,
it's just so much nicer to crawl into a bed
that's been made than a bed that is unmade.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I agree, I totally agree. Yeah, okay, re Yeah, I
feel like you already said this, so I feel like
I should just skip this question. But were you rooting
for Emma and Justin to end up together throughout this book?
Were there any points where you kind of questioned if
they should end up together or were like, hey, I
don't I don't know if they're even going to end
up together.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I wasn't sure if they would end up together, but
I wanted them to very badly, just because Emma is
a runner. She runs, she runs from everything, so I
was very nervous that she was going to completely smash
Justin's heart and that would take care of the entire
love story and it would just go up and the
flames breakup. Yeah, but it didn't.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
It ends happen.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It ends on a happy ending, which is so sweet,
and it just I loved You know, you generally get
a sense in the beginning of a book of what's
going to happen, how they're going to end up together,
but this one really took me through quite a few
twists and turns along the way, and it was like, yes,
how are they going to end up back together. What
is going to be the thing that brings them back together?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
And that's something with Abby's books that I really do like.
I mean, again, I've only read this one, but I've
heard that, like they kind of all explore a very
similar thing and it makes it real and it's not
just a we fell in love overnight, we're best friends.
Now we're like we're gonna get married, We're so in love.
You see it kind of developing and you're going through
those rough patches and kind of coming out the other end.

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But to kind of go back to the question, I
feel like even in the first chapter when they just
started talking, I was like, this is this is gonna
work out somehow?

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah? Right, I thought so too.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
So.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Speaking of Emma, she talks about not letting anyone on
her island, which is what she does. She gets small,
She kind of folds into herself, except for Maddie and
her mom are the only people she lets in on
her island. What do you think happens when the only
people you let in are pulling you in completely different directions.
Because Maddie is her friend, she sees things as they

(26:56):
are and very much so calls Emma out throughout the book,
and you have her mom, who is very, very emotionally unstable,
pulling her in a different direction. So she has you
can see through the book she's got that pull to
her mom. She wants to be there. But then she
also has Maddie who's a little bit more grounded and
actually sees what's going on in it well.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And I can understand that, like that metaphor for that
little island, right, Like you know that that little island
is your safe space, right, it's self protection and self preservation. Right.
You've had so much happen to you throughout your life
that you just want to be on an island where
nobody else is. You just need that space. You need that.
And having Maddie want to do one thing and her

(27:37):
mom like everything's pulling. I feel like that actually, like
that just increases Emma's need to run, Yes, And it
almost like kind of develops this thought that is Emma
going to run from these two people because of being
pulled like this, And it's not it's not something that
she wants. She wants to be able to be on
that island and have both of her people with her,

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right and as a human, like everyone can relate to that, right,
like you don't want people to hurt you.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
No, not at.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
All, right, And I feel like it's kind of been
this little island for majority of her life unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, based on her background, everything about it, she's been
in that little island. I agree.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
So this book says that not everything that comes out
of a crisis is bad, but sometimes your traumas are
the reason you know how to help others. How do
you see Emma's trauma shaping the way that she does
help others or anything that she can do to support others.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, I mean, first and foremost, she's a nurse, so
right there, she's using her trauma to help others in
a very literal sense as a nurse. But then you
read through the book and there's at one point that
the kids all have lice in Justin's house, which like, Okay,
didn't think I was gonna be reading lice in this book.

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But she goes and she's able to talk with Sarah
and talk about how she also got made fun of
being in foster homes and that you just have to
let them do their thing and not let it affect
you as much as possible, and she is able to
empower Sarah to look at her situation in a little

(29:21):
bit of a different life and get through it and
give her that kind of conversation that she needed to
have that she Sarah wasn't necessarily getting from her brother.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah. Quick pause, because again Alessie's brain. I have a story,
a story abelt lice.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Don't tell me you have lice right now.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, that's why I'm telling you. No, I'm just kidding.
I uh won here. This was a long time ago.
We actually went to Yellowknife for Christmas because I have
family and yellow Knife, yep. And we were there for
probably two days and my cousin won't Scott stop scratching inside,
and my uncle is like, oh my goodness, he has light.
So there's me, my little sister, my eldest cousin. I

(30:07):
don't want to name drop people, so like we're gonna
call my oldest cousin Alice, and my middle cousin Robert,
and the youngest one Edward. Okay, so Robert has life.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Every single thing in that house got bagged up in
black bags outside and Robert had his head shaved. They
shaved his head, and then they also shaved Edward's head,
and then each of the girls we had to go
downstairs and my grandma actually she washed all of our
hair like four times with tea trioil. Yep, with our

(30:43):
head in the sink, not even in a shower, our
head down in the basement sink. And do you know
how bad tea trioil burns your eyeballs? So then she
braided our hair so tight, and all of us just
had these tight braids, and my two youngest cousins were
head shaved bald. And there's a photo of us at
Christmas like in this and it is probably the funniest

(31:05):
photo I've ever seen in my life. Remind me, I'll
show you it. But it just kind of like when
I start reading about lice. It's the instant picture that
comes to my brain because it sucks, insanely sucks, but yeah,
like it's it. Also it also leads to a good

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story afterwards, kind.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Of after it's all gone.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's one of those things. It sucks in the moment,
but then after it's a joke, yes, big time.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, So so Emma, Emma, let's just keep talking about Emma. Yeah,
she's got this big connection to her suitcases. You know,
you see that she leaves them under the bed. She
doesn't like to unpack them, that kind of thing. Why
do you think she holds onto them so tightly? And

(31:54):
how does that connect to her past? I mean, I
just kind of explained how it came.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Well, I was gonna say, you just said that too, right,
where it's that urgency and need to run, right, And
I think that that's also why she's a travel nurse
in a way. She doesn't want to stay in one
place at a time for too long, like she wants
to keep going. And I think again it creates that
sense of her little island. She doesn't want to be

(32:18):
there long enough to form any new relationships. She wants
to be there, she wants to be with Maddie, she
wants to do her job, she wants to help others
without forming those emotional connections because she's just gonna leave.
She doesn't want to stay. And it's like this this
need to flee, right, And I think those suitcases kind
of show her that you can run. You can leave anytime,

(32:41):
your bags are packed, if something happens, get up and leave.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Grab them and go. Yeah, she's a foot out the
door kind of girl for pretty much her entire life
and through most of this book, that's how she acts.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, and I think too, like something as people who
go through trauma, and like, maybe this isn't related to
two cases, but someone who goes through trauma, unfortunately sometimes
becomes that person that people turn to. Yes, And I'm
not saying that that's a bad thing. I'm just saying like,
if I go through a very traumatic experience and a

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couple of years later, my friend goes through a very
similar traumatic experience, and they come to you and they're like, Alesia,
like how did you get through this? What did you do?
Or they kind of dump what happened on you, And
as a human, like I get triggered too, and like
those things are really hard for me to talk through
with others. But because of the type of human I am,

(33:35):
I do. I let them rent to me. I let
them tell me all those things, and I tell them like,
it doesn't get easier, And this is what I did.
And and I go home and I'm I'm triggered, and
I'm overwhelmed, and I'm by myself on my little island.
But you kind of become those people that people turn
to and people ask questions, right, and I'm not using
myself as like I am clearly using myself as an

(33:56):
example here, But I think that that's something with Emma too,
is mm hmm. Even the foster care, right, she had
that experience, and she talked and she shared about it,
and it can be a very hard thing to share about,
especially when you have varied experiences. Right, So I think
that that's something else that kind of keeps her on
the run, right, because it's just too much to like

(34:19):
take on other people's baggage, so she'll just grab her
own and out the door. Yep, Right, Okay, we're going
to talk about things that like they're clearly directly related
related to the book. Did you hear that? That was
such a wild I couldn't say related, but it's such okay,

(34:42):
I freeze, alas, Yeah, let's get this back in order.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Let's just take a deep breath.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I was going to make a comment, but I feel
like it's just not the right time. I was gonna say,
just just breathe in that nice air in this studio,
from this plant, from this plant that's in between us,
and I mean that in the best way that like appreciate,
we appreciate, so ree do you think that there should
be an app invented where you could rate and leave

(35:12):
reviews about old boyfriends or people like you've connected with
on apps or gone on date with dates with.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Absolutely I there is a little bit of something like
this on Facebook. They call it are we dating the
same guy? Insert whatever city that you're in, So women
can go on leave positive I mean there's not very
many positive reviews of men. They can leave negative stories.
They can ask about men that they're looking to go

(35:40):
on dates with. So there is a bit of something
like that already. Should there be an app?

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Absolutely okay. But can we just say, on the flip
side of this, so you're funny.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Thank you. I was pretty sure it was a dad joke.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
That was so cheesy. I'll give it to you though.
It was pretty good. Cheese.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I love cheese so much.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
My favorite Skuda. If you don't know where that's from,
please go like educate yourself. But what I was going
to say, though, on the flip side, what if men
had an app where they can rate us and like, personally,
I don't want to go on an app and be like,
oh my god, there's my my name. I don't want

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to check the reviews Like that's terrifying. So like, I
agree to an extent, but also like I feel like
I just would never be able to go on and
look if there was one for femails.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Would men go on and look at their reviews?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Probably?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I'l b. Would you go on and look at the
reviews if there was a dating site that rated you?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
You would you would totally okay? But would it ruin
your day? If there was? Okay? So you would you
it as a self improvement thing?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I mean while I would cry, Yeah, I would also
be crying, you know what. No, I I would cry.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I'm thinking about my exes and how many of them
would have good things to say about me, And I
think for the most part, I would have favorable reviews.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Okay, you're not wrong. I feel like probably have like
one or two bad ones. Yeah, you know it was
me accidental and I was eighteen years old.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I didn't mean to steal your dog and hold
her hostage for a few months.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I didn't mean to create a triangle of loops. I
once went on a date with a guy. Huh where
my ex boyfriend went on a date with that guy's
sister and we both didn't know, and then we both
we both broke up with them, and it was so
awkward because like, yeah, can.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You imagine if you would have had like it was
like a square, it was like a love square, because yeah,
it was so awkward.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's probably where I'd get the worst review. But you know, again,
very long time ago.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, we change. People change, They're allowed to change, and
we will let them change and then assess them with
where they're at.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean, okay, So then if you were reading a
Reddit thread yep, and you commented on this, and now
you start talking with a guy, do you think you'd
actually go on a date with this person.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yes, I mean not right now because I'm in a
committed relationship. But a little bit of backstory. Once upon
a time I was married.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Ooh, yeah, once upon a time.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Once it's clearly not anymore, which is fine, I'm okay
to talk about it. But we met on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Oh yeah, what a he slid into your DMS.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
I don't remember if it was him or if it
was me, but we had been into the same stuff.
So yeah, I think if that came up in my life,
I would definitely like entertain the idea of a date
off of a Reddit thread.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well, and I think I'd be like a little cautious
and like.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I throw caution into the wind.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So that is like, what if you showed up and
it's like some catfish and you're like, okay, Cyanara, like
this was not fun.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, Well, you win some, you lose some.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, this is true.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Ye speaking of winning some and losing some. Public proposals, no,
because they talk about them in the book No okay
full stop.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Or no with that they they called it like a
hostage situation. And like, let's be real, yep, if a
if somebody got proposed to in public, if it's not me,
the second hand embarrassment I would feel I would have
to leave. It would make me like uncomfortable. Yeah, and
like I have second hand embarrassment when I watch movies.

(39:44):
I've never finished the movie Confessions of a Shopaholic because
every time the debt collector showed up, I would just like, no,
it's no right. And there's a there's this one Amy
Schumer movie where she falls and hits her head and
she thinks that like she's like this different human. Some
of the things that she would say. I was like,

(40:05):
oh no, I'm I can't and it may be uncomfortable,
so I'd have to stop watching it.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Ye yeah, so like in that situation, I would flee.
Now if my partner ever attempted to do a proposal
in public, I don't even think. I think I would
walk away and then call him later and be like,
can you please come inside where it's private and.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
We can do this again. Let's be alone now.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, like I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I think we're alone now.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Cue music, yeap ah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Could you imagine, oh my gosh, if you had a
job where you got to choose a new city every
three months, what would be your top three destinations? And
what would be on your hell no list?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay, but I feel like it would depend like what
my profession was, So like, I'm just gonna imagine that
I'm a travel nurse because I feel like that's the
best way to do this. I agree with Maddie. I
want to go to Hawaii. I love Hawaii. Why is
the bomb dot com? And did you know that in
Hawaii they don't have snakes and spiders?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Sign me up? Fam.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
They have a very strict like when things come in.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
On boats like they check everything.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, it doesn't come on to Hawaii because it's so isolated.
Right where else would I want to go? To be honest,
I'd probably go to Australia. Like if to kill you.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Like talk about Hawaii being a nice little island with
those spiders and snakes, you go to Australia. How much
of that is there?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Okay, all of it? Okay, you're not wrong, but like,
can we just take a second here, I'm going to
retract the Australia on and say New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, yep, there we go New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
New Zealand is different because New Zealand is very similar
to Hawaii and what they let in, Like when you
fly into New Zealand, your shoes have to be so
clean or they will take them away, Like you can't
have dirt from anywhere else on your shoes.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I've actually seen where you go on hikes and they
make you wash your shoes before before you go hike.
I think that's fantastic. What a great way to protect
your very sensitive ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Exactly, And like they are very different than Australia in
terms of what they have and everything like that. And
plus they have the Hobbit Shire.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yes, so that's pretty clear.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And they have so many sheep and lambs whatever. I
think it would be wild. And then where else would
I go? I feel like, to be honest, I would
also want to go somewhere where like I feel that
I could be I could make an impact, and like
I feel like something like not Haiti, but like something.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Like more of a third world.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I can't think of like a specific place off
the top of my brain, but like I know, my
dad used to go to El Salvador, El Salve El
Salvador and he actually built houses, and like he would
go for a week and they would build these houses
and they got to be a part of the community
and they got to do all these things and he
would come home and he just it was such a

(43:03):
such a thing for him that it just fulfilled that
like need to help others. So as much as I like,
I love Hawaiian, I love New Zealand, and I would
pick another like maybe I'll go to Rome, but like
at the same time, I want to make a difference,
So like something like that I think would be be
my yes, my hell, no, no offense, Canada. I don't

(43:27):
want to go to the territories unless it's summertime. Okay,
so it's like a minor hell no, hell, yes, it's
a fucking coold situation. Excuse the French. But like it's cold,
and I know that like a lot of people in
the territories get locum positions. Yeah, so like you fly
in for a certain amount of time and you fly out.
So it's very similar to a travel nurse. Yeah, but

(43:47):
I don't think that I could fly into a callowit
and like be there for an extended period of time
because it's either twenty four hours of light or twenty
twenty four hours of darkness, and like, yes, throughout the
year changes, but like it's such a small and isolated
place that I don't know if it would be the
place for me to go for three months.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, that would be tough.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Okay, question goes back to you now.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Huh So I would probably die if I had to
move every three months. I have moved like seven times
in the last five years, So to move now every
three months, no, I couldn't do it. I have way
too much stuff. Plus my mom, my sister, and my
sister in law are all nurses and fuck no, oh

(44:34):
I don't be a nurse.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I don't want to be a nurse. Let me, let
me put it, Okay. I was using it in a
context to like for this, yeah, because you couldn't pay
me enough to be a nurse, and like.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Like gouy them. I'm super happy for I appreciate nurses.
I appreciate them too, not me.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, I am I'm not changing bedpans.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
No, I'm sorry. I'm not putting an IV in your arm.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I'm just no. I don't want to be responsible for
keeping you alive. And I know doctors do that, but
like nurses are the ones that monitor everything and then
if something goes south and they push the button and
the doctors all come. Yeah, but like they do, it's
a lot of work. And I don't think people recognize
how much work it is. And I understand now why
we have such a lack of nurses because they are

(45:19):
specific in getting into those programs because it is important
that they're trained correctly right big time. Okay, continue, you
didn't actually know anywhere.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
No, I would not move every three months like that.
Absolutely not change this to be hypothetical.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
If I had to do it, if I could, if
I would.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
For work, though, that's so tough. Like, all I can
think about is how much all of that change would
stress me out as a human.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like it's just too It's all hypothetical, I know, so
let me let me change it. What are the top
three places that you would want to go to, not
necessarily for three months and not necessarily for work?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, I have a girlfriend who
is about to move to Dubai, so I want to
go visit her. I would love to go to the Maldives,
and I think.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I want to go to Bali.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, Bali would be really cool too.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And I feel like I wouldn't want to work in
those places.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
No, no, again, this is all it's hypothetical. In this
hypothetical situation, I have a sugar daddy who's taking me everywhere, Sugar,
Grandpa sugar.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
As you learned from last episode. If you don't know
what I'm talking about, watch episode two. Where would be
like your biggest hell no destination? And I know that
sounds bad because I don't want to like discriminate against places.
And there's a lot of places that like, I want
to go everywhere, but there's a lot of places that
like aren't necessarily safe to travel to at this point
in time.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Jersey, Yeah, New Jersey, absolutely not. It is theme of America.
I cried in that airport. They were so mean to
me when I had to go through TSA. It was awful.
Never again, will not go to Jersey.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I hate Denver. What I've never actually been outside of
the airport in Denver.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Oh, but you just hate the airport.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I've just had really bad experiences and it's happened twice.
We're like on my way to a cruise. Yeah, they
lost my luggage.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Devastating.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I was fourteen years old.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh, I had no clothes.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I had no clothes. Yeah, like clearly I had the
clothes on that I was wearing. Yeah, but naked in
the air I don't think West lets you get on
the plane if you're naked.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
No, I'm pretty sure that's a big red flag and
you're on the If I was wearing.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Like a sheet toga, would they let me on the plane?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Can you imagine going through like security in a sheet
toga and they'd be like, ma'am, you have to remove
what you're wearing.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Mab Do you have anything in your pockets?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Do you have any metal on?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
You deep into my pocket.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
No, I don't. Oh my gosh, could you imagine just
fresh out of a toga run, just hop on the plane.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Oh colay.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But I'd probably have spandex on, so it's like not
as gross.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
One time, speaking of inappropriately going through TSA, I was
wearing just a bunny hug and a pair of sweater
and a pair of joggers and they were like, ma'am,
you have to take your bunny hug off. So I
go to take it off, and I was just wearing
a sports bra and when I got down to there,
they're like, no, no, keep it on, keep it on.
And I was like, oh, okay, so I can keep
it on. They're like, if you're not wearing a shirt.

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I'm like, oh, that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Like you're like, my bad, that's a clothing discrimination.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
But like, honestly, so denver they lost my luggage. I
got to Florida. We had two days in Florida. I
still didn't get my luggage in the two days. So
they sent money and they're like, hey, go buy like
a new suitcase and clothing. Yeah, this is back in
the day when they actually gave you things. So we
ended up going on a massive shopping spree, which was
kind of cool. And at that point in time, things

(48:45):
aren't as expensive. And I think they gave me five
hundred dollars, which for a fourteen.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Year old I can guess quite a bit of money.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So I got some nice stuff and it's the night
before we get on the cruise. Still don't have my luggage.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
You don't have your luggage.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Oh. I was like, what are we what are we
alluding to?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
We're listening to the trash truck, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Basically, my luggage met us on the cruise ship.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Oh okay, hey, the ending.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
They delivered it to the cruise ship. So I got
on the boat and like, my luggage was in the room,
which is why because I had gone onto the boat thinking.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Fuck, I haven't had any clothing, nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You don't have all my my my stuff. I don't
have my blanket, I don't have anything. And then again
we were traveling to uh where are we going? We
were going to Texas. They left my luggage in Denver,
but it got there the next day.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Oh quicker, so it did come.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah, So me and Denver just have this like yep moment.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Oh man, Okay, do we have any questions? Or are
we wrapping up the bat?

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I have one more, I have one more, one more,
let's go one and a half. Okay, okay. So Abby's
writing style is known for its humor and heartfelt moments.
What were some of the moments in the book that
made you laugh, cry, or feel very deeply?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Well? I already put out a few of those quotes
that I felt really deeply. I have a few more
that I'd like to read through. So they're talking about
unhealed trauma Justin and Emma, and she is trying to
get Justin to understand trauma. So they go on to say,

(50:30):
unhealed trauma is a crack and all the little things
that trickle into it, it would have rolled off someone
else settle. When life gets cold, the crack gets bigger, longer, deeper.
It makes new breaks. You don't know how broken they
were or what they were trying to do to fill
those cracks. Being broken is not an excuse for bad behavior.
You still have to make good choices and do the
right thing, but it can be the reason, and sometimes

(50:52):
understanding the reason is what helps you heal.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I resonated with that one, too. Sorry, I have my
phone out because I took a picture of them, because
of course it's on good Reads.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yep. And then another one that made me feel so deeply.
It's towards the end of the book, and this one's
just sentimental and it just made me feel all lovey
about my partner is Justin puts a hand to Emma's
cheek and he says, sometimes I feel like the seasons
could come and go and come and go. One hundred
years could pass, a thousand, the ground could collapse under us,
this house could crumble and go back to the earth,

(51:24):
and we would still be standing here, frozen in time,
because every second I'm with you is eternal. I've never
felt anything like it.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
That's probably.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Oh and it just made my heart melt.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I feel like that's one of those things I would
actually probably like. I did read it, guys, but yeah,
they read it out loud to me, so it was
almost different, and I feel like reading it on a
page it would just really like fill your It really did. Okay, again,
I have them on my phone because I listened to
them and then on good Reads, right, so I think

(51:55):
I have two. Okay, So the first one is you
are not happened to you. You are what you do next.
And I think that that's huge, right, because like something
bad can happen to you, but it's what you do
after that, and like how you react, how you heal,
how you do those things after yes, And I remember
reading it and I was like, yeah, like I feel

(52:16):
that to the core, like I yeah, like I really
resonate there. Yeah, And then we kind of go back
to that concept of the island for the next one,
and it's I became an island and the island is small.
I don't need anyone, And I know that sort of
sounds terrible, but it's comforting to know that I have
this ability to need no one. It feels like a superhero,

(52:39):
like I'm untouchable. And I highlighted this because I know
for myself again, like I went through trauma when I
was like a really big traumatic event at twenty, and
I know that I felt like I put myself kind
of on an island because I felt like that was
the only way to heal. And I learned very quickly
that's not the way to heal. The superpower isn't isolating yourself.

(53:04):
The superpower is working through things, and like being able
to identify why you're doing those things. And I think again,
like that island is beneficial sometimes, but it's also beneficial
to make that island a bit bigger and let people
come right.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yes, develop it, like she says, I want a village.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, you can't do it alone.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
No, we need a village.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah. And I like my village of humans.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's so precious.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I mean, you're included, Thank you. Love. You're a new addition.
Not everybody, not everybody is familiar with you yet not
yet soon, not yet soon.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I have one more funny thing about this book, and
then we're going to wrap it up. But obviously he
is the good luck charm, and anyone he dates goes
on to meet their soulmate. I actually have a friend
in my life who is like this. He is a
good Luck Chuck. Good luck name actually Chuck, No, it's
could you imagine? I told I told him I wouldn't

(54:07):
say his name on the podcast, so we're just gonna
call him Chuck. So if there is a female that
is the female version of good Luck Chuck and you
are looking for a partner, do I have a deal
for you? Come meet my buddy, break your curses together
and maybe you'll find a long term life partner.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Who knows. We could put a discount code in the bio.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Oh my god, connect.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
With the exact luck Chuck. Isn't that the name of
a movie.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
It is the name of a movie with the same concept.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Huh, that movie's old. What's his name?

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Oh my gosh, she's that comedian. Yes, and he's kind
of an a hole, but he's really funny.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Anything about him in years?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, it's Dane Cook, Dang Cook.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Ye. I haven't seen anything about Dane Cook in years. Okay,
but it's really good. I remember watching him multiple times.
But no, I guys, this was a really great book.
I'm really glad we picked it, honestly, And we actually
have another really really great book kind of coming up
next week. We have an author joining us, which is

(55:10):
our first time ever having an author.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Next week but next episode, right, guys.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I always say next week, but it is.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Basically next week, so a few weeks ahead.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
So really. So she's from Calgary. She is half Italian
like myself, and there's so many like family connections and everything.
So she's related to my Zia, which is actually my
mom's best friend. But I know that her and I
have a connection growing up as well, and we'll kind
of touch on that when we meet her. But we

(55:40):
are going to be reading Favorite Daughter. It is a
very new book. It came out maybe a month ago,
and it's written by Morgan Dick. So she is, like
I said, she's from Calgary. This is a sharply funny
and tender story about two strangers with only one thing
in common, their father. So I'm really excited to read

(56:02):
this one. I've heard nothing but good things from her
book launch and from interviews and everything, so we are
really excited to dive into this one and kind of
get to discuss it with Morgan. So I'm yeah, I'm
really excited. So again, pick up your copy of Favorite
Daughter by Morgan Dick. I'm not entirely sure if it's
in Saskatoon yet, but follow her on Instagram. I know

(56:26):
that she is selling them. I don't believe, like I
know they're in Calgary at certain bookstores.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Like Indigo does have them.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Just kidding, Indigo has it. Yeah, go to Indigo, Go
to Indigo and get your copy and read along with us.
I think it's going to be an awesome episode. And guys,
if you do read the book and you have questions
that you want to ask Morgan, just send us a
DM and we will actually ask her and say so
and so ask you this question. So we're really excited
about this. The last thing I want to touch based

(56:55):
on is our blind date with a book giveaway.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yes, but before we get to the blind date with
the book giveaway, we're actually going to be giving away
two copies of this book as well. Almost forgot about
so to get in on this lovely giveaway. All what
we're doing is the first two people to DM us
saying they watch the episode.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
No, I thought we decided it was going to be
people who told us stories about their siblings or when
they were an older sister, a story, the funniest story
they have, Yes, as a sibling. Yeah, And then what
it is is Ree's going to pick one that she
either thinks is the funniest or resonates, and then I'm
going to pick one because.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
So reiterate that.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I like that idea, Like, yeah, we could do it
that way, but I feel like it's more personal. Okay,
please feel free to change your siblings' names or to
change your name, it doesn't matter. But I want to
hear your favorite moments with your siblings or your funniest stories.
And maybe you're someone who does have a half sibling
and tell us that story. I mean, share what you're

(57:57):
comfortable sharing.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
And we'll pick a cup winners from that.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And Ria, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
No, please do I have it written down differently, so
I'm glad you corrected me.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Sorry, you know how I am. That's perfect how I am.
But yeah, read the book with us and you might
even get to win a copy of it.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, and also showed out to Heather who won our
blind date with a book as well via Instagram. Now
that we have our Spotify episode out for episode one,
this one should be coming out on Spotify eventually, We're
going to be on YouTube. Follow us at Not That
Kind of Book Club on Instagram, and again, thanks so
much for following along with us and being a part

(58:36):
of our journey here. We are so excited for episode
four with Morgan Dick coming up soon and until then

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Remember we read it so you don't have to
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