Episode 147 - NSC Wrestling And Gaming Podcast

Big C, The Golden Saint Gage Spadine and The Director Of Chaos talk about what’s happening in professional wrestling. The Director Of Chaos goes on his classic rant

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Speaker 3 (00:48):
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to the NFC Wrestling and Gaming Podcast. I am your host,

(01:09):
the director of Chaos, Nicholas camp For, along with my
two favorite hosts, Gauge the Golden Saint Spadini and Big C. Guys,
what the fuck is up? I can tell you what
the fuck is up? Brock Lesnar not showing up on Raw,
brack Lesnar showing up on SmackDown, although we had one

(01:30):
of the greatest brock Lesnar returns on Night two of SummerSlam.
No brock means to me, what the fuck? And the
reason I'm saying this is because for two years we
waited for brock Lesnar. Two years all right, you how
many children were born at that time? A lot, a

(01:50):
lot of children around the world have been born in
two years and you know what, half of them, I
guarantee you was named Brock due to the Beast and Carnate,
all right, and half of those fathers or mothers are
probably brock Lesnar fans. So to not have Brock show
up this week at all, we had a mentionge from
him on Raw on his return. We did not have

(02:11):
a mension from him on SmackDown. Now, Paul Hammon spoke
about brock Lesner openly positively, saying that you cannot cancel
brock Lessner. You cannot cancel the Beast and Cardate. Not
everybody's gonna be like not everybody's gonna be happy that
you're in a position where you're at. But that's just there.
That's the nature of the bees, the nature of the game.

(02:34):
It is what it is. A lot of people are
happy that Brock is back. Sixty thousand people at MetLife
and East Rutherford, New Jersey were just it was over
top of enjoyment that Brock was there. And we need
to see Brock in some sort of storyline right now

(02:58):
because Clash in Paris is coming up, and there's this
whole shebang with Sena. Something's gonna happen with that with
that storyline, because there's been talks about Logan Paul being
the match with Sina being his opponent and everything like that. No,

(03:20):
it's gotta be Brock because Sena and Brock. People don't
talk about that, the feud, that rivalry, all right. People
talk about Sena Orton, people talk about Sena and Edge,
Sena and JBL. You can even add Triple Ah in that,
and obviously Sena and Pumps. But Sena and Brock went

(03:42):
back to OVW. That's how far it's gotten. And it's
gotten to the point where it's, you know, something big
happens every time those two stepping a ring together, even
based on the animosity with them, I mean, they don't

(04:02):
like each other at all. Whether you're talking storyliner, KFA,
they don't like each other.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Excuse okay, So let me speak on this for a moment,
all right, Logan Paul, a young up and comer, athletically gifted,
worldwide hated. Okay, don't you think it's time to move
past the old feuds and put something new in the picture,
something that's going to carry the company over until the

(04:30):
next arrow.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I'll tell you this how I tell other people. All Right,
So when Tesla first came out with the car, it
was beautiful, but now they have the new Tesla truck,
the cyber truck. Guess what, That shit's ugly. Nobody wants
to see that. Guess what nobody wants to see Wogan
Paul Versusina. That shit's ugly. That that shit's more ugly
than like you're six hundred pound guy eat and Taco
bell taking a deuce juice in the toilet. Nobody wants

(04:56):
to see that. You can smell it, you can look
at it, I guess, and it's pretty and nobody wants
that ever again.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Okay, so you're saying that, right, who are you going
to have carry over the company? This is seen as
last year he's only had.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
The company. The guy who's had two two passion of
the torches, Cody groat Frock passing the torch two years
ago on Summer Slam, seeing have passed the torch to
him this Summer Slam, all right twice by two legends
and the business. And if you really want to get
technical with saying, well, you know, Cody's only got so

(05:36):
many years left undertaker acknowledged Trick Williams.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yes, yes, Trick Williams is still the man, but it's
NXT though. What happened to the main roster? Think about
all the people from NXT that has moved up to
the main roster and has done diddly squat. Think about that.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know, the people, the people who I can think
of that came from NXT. I'm not just talking whether
they were starr in nx T or what, but the
people came from NXT that actually made that actually made
a career in the main roster. All right, you have
your seth Rollins, Okay, you have your Ko Kevin Owens, Okay,
who might not have bad You may have a Sam

(06:22):
I could I could justify Sammy's.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
A Samusing has been a great mid Carter Charlotte Flair,
Charlotte Flair, okay.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Becky Lynch Bailey, Sasha Banks no longer there, but she
was the top star.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
She's a bigger star now.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Alexa Blitz Live Morgan with the Riot.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Squad, right squad, there's no there's things right squad anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, she was part of the riot Squad and granted
other than Valhalla vahaa, well she was part. She was
in the main roster a lot longer than Ruby Riot.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
She was a manager, not a performer, more in the
manager all that.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I would say, you know, Live Morgan, could you say
Roman Reigns he was n XT.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah. And so what I'm saying is, though, is in
the last thirteen years, do you have named a total
of ten people who's made something? Okay?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, well that's just like that's just talking That's like
talking about tough Enough, all right? How many people made
it to be stars and tough Enough? The mins the
miss was never a winner, but he was part of
Tough Enough. Yeah, he got released out of it. Daniel
Bryan was part of Tough Enough.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
He was one of the biggest you can think of
in the w A. And then he didn't get released,
but he let himself go yeah for a time. All right.
So yeah, it's just like you're talking about that there.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Was very But what I'm saying is though, Okay, so
you had tough Enough, Okay, Then after Tough Enough you
had the X Show. It was a game show first,
oh yeah, okay, and then it became n XT. You
have to have something to carry over the eras all right,

(08:39):
Cody's probably got five good years left, you know, he's
starting to do shows and stuff now too. He's gonna
be taking those breaks. He's gonna be in the movie
Street Fighter, He's gonna be taking a break. Who are
you gonna have take that over? This is what I'm saying.

(08:59):
You can't today. You've got to think in the future.
It can't be Logan Paul, though, why not? Because where's Okay,
where's the tradition?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Then? Where does that mean? The culture of professional wrestling
is completely gone? And I believe three quarters of the
tradition of professional wrestling has already gone with this whole
you know, the new program w unreal, all right, that
three courses, it's already gone.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
But that's irrelevant because it was gone. The culture of
wrestling was gone in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, not necessarily a lot of a lot of these wrestlers.
A lot of these wrestlers got brought up the traditional way.
They had their time. They had their time either in
the indies or they had their time in the performance centers.
Logan Paul, like I said for Travis Scott, like I've
said for every bad Bunny, he had a blue check

(10:00):
mark byers name and a couple million I said, Hey,
I want to try this.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
And that Actually, you're absolutely correct. But the difference is
between Bad Bunny between Hugh Jackman. Is that Logan Paul
put in the work. He's a full time wrestler. Now,
he does the shows, he does the pls, he does
the meet and grease. Okay, he's such a big time
wrestler that Mattel, who merchandise is, who has the license

(10:29):
for WWE, has put Logan Paul in pretty much every
set since Elite one ten.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
So why why why would't you have somebody like a Domasterial.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Domasterio was there. Yeah, but you can't build a company,
a global juggernaut on a handful of people.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
You're also building the company in Rial Ripley.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
You get your so right now you have Ripley. Ripley's
got that women's division hands down. She is so over.
Even though she doesn't have a belt, she doesn't have
a title, she is so over. You have Jay Uso.
I mean, love or hate him, The man's a merch mover.
I mean you've seen it, Nick Night one, he came out,

(11:14):
how many thousands of people were yeating? I could tell
you one person who wasn't, but how many thousands of
people had their hands in the air.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeagan, there maybe about a thousand that weren't eating.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
I get and well I knew, I knew one person
myself that I wasn't yeating.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I was. I had to sitting there jumped. I was jumped.
If I didn't, oh.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, I wasn't get jump too. But I knew I
had you down to the down the cellar there you
could have come up and whooped some ass for me.
But anyways, you have to have you have to have
your heels, and you have to have your faces. Okay,
Ripley's a face. You So's a face, Cody's a face.
What heels do you have to help carry over over

(12:00):
to the next era.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
A lot of the heels are in the women's.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Division, okay, but but they don't have crossbrained matches. This
isn't New Japan, this isn't gc W, this isn't ae W.
So who do you have male wise, that is a
true faced heel hated everywhere that can carry it over.
You have domin Stero. Solo is not gonna. I can't

(12:27):
see Solo. He doesn't have that star power.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Jeth Robins.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
But he's also aging out. Bron Breaker, bron Breaker, right now.
But if you remember correctly, like he wasn't a universal heel. No,
Logan Paul is a universal heel. The man gets hated
in his own city, his birth city, they hate him.

(12:59):
MS was born in there. Okay, as a heel, he
was still loved. They hate Logan Paul.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
He's not believable though, No, no, no, no. By believable,
I mean I cannot see him beat the likes of
a Roman Range. I cannot see him beat the likes
of a Cody Rhodes or I can't see him become
world champion. And in order to become the face of

(13:31):
a company has to be a world champion at some
point in your life. And it's just not believable for me,
Like to talks with Seami Zaye, you know, talk being
become the world heavyweight champion. I can't see that. I
can't see that. It's not believable that if you were
to put Hornswaggle in the tie in the heavyweight division
and say, you know what he's getting the title? Yeah?

(13:53):
Is that is that funny? You're not gonna believe it, though,
And you need a believable character or super start to
hold that title.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Okay, So explain to me, either one of you guys,
explain to me why you think Logan Paul is not
believable as the world heavyweight champion. I'll give you hold on,
I'll give you my reasons why I believe so. He's charismatic,
he gets the crowd going okay, he is a merch mover.

(14:24):
He's athletically gifted. Some of the stuff he does, I'm
still amazed by it. All right, he's got the look,
he's got the top. Tell me why.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Because he is. I'm gonna use Bully Race.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
No, no, no, you tell me why.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
A name and a catchphrase. You know who else was
athletically gifted and that did amazing spots? Ricochet? You know
what Ricochet did not have. He didn't have the mic skills.
He still doesn't have the mic skills. But guess what
athleticism wise, beats Logan Paul. All right? You know who
else beats Logan Paul in athleticism. Guys like a guy

(15:01):
who's gonna be retiring with in the next year or
two aj styles all right, more athletic than than Logan
Paul and has always been his entire career. You know
who's great on the mic? That that that was a champion.
But then I have the athleticism as a Logan Paul,
the miss all right, the mis his mouthpiece is his

(15:22):
logan Paul is a catchphrase and an entrance. Like we
saw it with jay Uso jay Usho. The crowd's over
with him, the ye ye ye over with him, all right.
He's not a heavyweight material. Put him in Inner Connell,
put him in the United States, put him in that

(15:43):
mid cart title line. Bring him back as a tag
team champion. I believe it because we saw it. Logan
Paul as the world heavyweight champion. I can never see it.
Why because he's six one, one hundred and ninety pounds,
he's got a great mouth, he's cocky, and is he

(16:06):
gifted on the ropes? Yes, but I don't believe it
because his frame, his his his actual technical wrestling skills
in the ring. Okay, that right hand punch, that's something
for me that I never liked because you know who
had the right hand punch that for a knockout the

(16:30):
Big Show. Yeah, and he was over four hundred pounds.
So you're gonna tell me that right hand punch is
the same as logan Paul's.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well, the difference is that is that Logan Paul has
titanium in his hand.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
He doesn't, though it's okay, So the other day you
said this. The other day, we can't we no longer
Kage's death. You can't. You can't. Can't contradict yourself then, no, no, no, right,
but guess what now? Now, unless we actually see U

(17:08):
an X ray of that hand, I'm gonna believe that
it's titanium. But you said, okay, you said his size, right,
his size one ninety six, one five seven, one sixty
ray mystereo, two time heavyweight champion. How is that believable?
They had to put it on him?

Speaker 4 (17:26):
No, they didn't. Why would they?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Okay? One wasn't an honor of Eddie?

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Okay, but why did they have to put on him?
That doesn't mean nothing, because it was the right time.
It was the honor of It was the honor of Eddie.
And if you notice both his rams were not that long. Yeah,
there were seventy eighty days. Yeah, but also got to
remember too. Okay, now, if you're talking about rains, right,
let's go back to the Great year of nineteen ninety

(17:54):
eight to nineteen ninety nine. You do realize that Stone
Cold Steve Astin held the title for one day. You
do realize Kane held the title for a day. You
realize that Rock held the title for seventeen days.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Okay, but you're also talking big names. So during the
Attitude you're talking during the Attitude era, you had guys
like Undertaker, Female Caine, Big Red Machine, Cuncle Steve Auston,
the Texan Rattlesnake that will beat your ass. Anytime you're
talking about the Rock after the Nation of Domination, the
people you know, the the eyebrow raising, Hell Raised, the

(18:27):
Son of a Bitch. You're talking about the game Triple Eh.
You're talking about the big names. You're talking about guys
that are believable. But then you had guys and that
and that period, all right, like Billy gunn Right, Billy
gun was never a world champion because what we've seen
him in real life six five he's a big guy

(18:48):
to I two hundreds, big guy, way bigger than Logan Paul.
But guess what, And he had the movie, he had
the technical skills, he had obviously the mouthpiece he obviously had.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
He did not have the mouthpiece at all. But I'm
gonna tell you right now that that man's promos were
worse than yours. Okay, absolutely, If it wasn't for road dogs, Okay,
they wouldn't have that road Doug didn't have the size,

(19:20):
didn't have the ability, but he had the mouthpiece.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
But what I'm saying is the guys in the area
you're describing were monsters then liked them big. They wanted
it believable. You're also talking about the ministry of darkness.
You're also talking about the beginnings of Bradshaw. You know,
you're talking about the guys that are beyond what they

(19:45):
are now. A lot of the guys now are small.
They're very small exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
So why again, because of his size, but everybody in
there is small, So tell me again why you don't
believe it?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Because he's an average joe with you with athleticism on
the road. I'm would tell you I'm gonna give a
shout out to a guy right now, Mike Schyro. Guess what,
he's actually more athletic than Logan Paul better mouthpiece, better mouthpiece.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Well, okay, but you're also talked about independent promotion. Okay,
And don't get me wrong, I love the indies, but
you have the spotlight of what probably three hundred million people.
Tell me, why again, you're you're not giving me a
You're giving me things that you don't think is right.

(20:38):
But why I gave you four things on why he's
gonna be a world champion.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And I'm giving you I'm giving you history.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
We're not giving me facts, though I am.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
You're not getting logan Paul's size have held the title
and made it believable, made it really Rollins. Okay, Beth Rollins,
let's talk about this real quick. Let's talk about this
real quick. Out of death. Rollins's career in the w WA,
the main rockin. How many times did he have help? What?

(21:18):
What faction was he part of? Logan, Paul is not
part of a fashion and will never be part of
a faction.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
You can't say that, though. You cannot sit there and
tell me that he will never be part of a fashion.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Who's gonna be part of? Who is he gonna be
part of? That makes sense?

Speaker 4 (21:34):
You got you got people coming up. Okay, you have
people coming in, but it doesn't make sense on what
you're saying. Though you said size, I gave you a
perfect example of somebody who's been a multi time world champion,
who has size, who has the gift of gap, who
has the abilities.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
A lot better in the ring though than Logan Paul.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Is he though he is, I don't know. I've never
seen Seth jump across the entire ring and collide in midair.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Technically speaking, he did jump fifteen feet in the year
for an RKAO from Randy Orton Russell Mayne. All right,
but it's okay, perfect example of not having Logan Paul's athleticism,
but made every single thing believable based on their entering

(22:30):
ability and them getting behind the fans. Sean Michaels, Kurt Angel,
Chris ben.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Waugh, okay, wasn't a mouthpiece.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Ben Wah five nine, five ten, one of the greatest
technical wrestlers of all time.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Exactly after seventeen learning in the business.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Beat beat two of the greatest wrestlers of all time,
and Sean Michaels Tripple Ah Rustler made in two thousand
and four in a treble threat.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Match after seventeen years in the business, made a believe
he never had a chance after seventeen years in the business. Though,
this is what I'm saying, Logan Paul is in year three.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Okay, Seawn Michaels wasn't a heavyweight champion in three years?

Speaker 4 (23:20):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying now. I'm
saying in the next era, if you remember, correct, I said,
who are you gonna have? Carry over to the next era?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
But we don't know about Logan Paul though. Who knows,
maybe he's gonna go back to being a YouTuber or
going back to being a part of the boxing promotion.
What his brother Jake, That's what celebrities do. They do
not give a fuck about this business.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
And right now, for twenty twenty five, he's only had
five matches this whole year. For right now, you.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Are absolutely correct on that one. Absolutely correct.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Am I becoming the faith and you're becoming the heel?

Speaker 4 (23:59):
No, no, alls, I'm saying is I'm playing Devil's advocate here.
I'm thinking about the future of professional wrestling here in.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
A celebrity guy's hand. I will never put the future
professional wrestling in a celebrity guy's hand. Knowing that he
can go back to Hollywood anytime he wants, and that's that,
Knowing that he has so many other things going on
with Prime, with his brother's boxing promotions, with his YouTube channel,
with everything else, but to have to have something like that,
and that's like if somebody were to say, I'm gonna
put Roman's time in the w right now full time.

(24:31):
Guess what, That's not gonna work. As much as I
love Roman, it's never gonna work because he's got that
scenea now where he's not gonna be fully committed to
the business.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
But the thing you're not realizing, though, is that is
the business now. Becky Lynch is doing movies, Charlotte Flair's
that they're doing movies, missus out, they're doing TV shows
and we haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
The mision forever other than the last couple of.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Weeks because he was out doing American Gladiators. But I
would have never of the business in their hands. Okay.
So so here's the thing, though, that is God that
was gone with the Rock. The Rock killed it, Hogan
started it, Piper followed the Rock murdered it. Okay, there

(25:18):
is no actual All I am is a professional wrestler. Now.
That's all my life is. There is none of that.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Heaven owens. Okay, Damny's I don't hate his name, but
professional wrestling all I want to be is professional wrestler.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Okay, how long have they been in the business? Now, there,
this is what I'm talking about them. They're forty years old.
There are forty years No, he's before that.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Ring of honor, yes, but all right, right, all right,
I'm looking at right now just to make you happy.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
But look at what Sina even did when Sina had
to with him and the Rock were going at it.
He was busting the Rock because the Rock left and
then look what he did. He left.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
But see that, that's what I'm saying. That is right now.
That is the nature of this wonderful Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
He's been on WW twenty fourteen. He started wrestling in
an actual promotion CZW two thousand and four.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying. So you have all these
wrestlers you're talking about, they're gonna be aging out timer
years left. Do you think you have the Owens with Zaye,
with Orton before? They don't become believable no more because
of their age. You know, just just the other week
I was watching CZW, Carrie Morton came out to wrestle

(26:41):
a match. Carrie FN Morton, the guy, he's seventy one
years old. Did he do the sure, yeah, he had
a lot of support there. But is that believable? Absolutely not.
This is what I'm saying. So when you're thinking about
the future, who are you gonna put the future's hands

(27:03):
in bron Breaker? I g see bron Breaker doing.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Ricky Who Ricky Saints?

Speaker 4 (27:17):
Ricky Saints, I see Ricky Saints. But the hassened though,
is like those people there, like Ricky Saints is an NXT.
Will he be able to move over to the main
roster and still has the same popularity? He has an
NXT Ethan Page Ethan Pages in his mid thirties? Yeah,
but okay, you can't stay the age though. Look at

(27:38):
somebody like Batista who started in his early thirties in
professional wrestling. Correct, and how long did he last?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
He lasted ten years? Okay, exactly, so I'm saying he
lasted No, no, no, no, no, he lasted twelve years.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
By the time you hit your mid forties, right your
your career is declining. Ninety percent of the time, your
career is declining.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
So who are you long? Right now? Welcome? Paul will
be thirty one this year.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Okay, and he's he's been in the league now for
three years, so you get said mid forties, so you
still have him for about fifteen years. What do you
have though, to take you into the next era? Trick
Williams is way over and I think it's so smart
of what the WWE did with TNA to put him
on that platform too. So now you have that entire

(28:31):
audience that knows Trick Williams. So I mean hopefully by
the time they say okay, here's the rains go to
the main roster, that that TNA audience is going to
tune in and support him.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Also, a lot of the guys, though, all right, and
you can and I you're gonna agree or disagree. A
lot of the wrestlers today they do not have that
IT factor. As I'm looking, as I'm looking on my

(29:07):
wall right now, right, I see this is just who
I just see right now. So I see your Triple H,
your HBK. I see a Randy Organ, a Raymisterial, John Cena,
a Rob Van dam an Edge, I see a Batista,
I see a King Booker, I see an Undertaker, I

(29:30):
see a see a punk. The guys that have IT factors,
all right, the w w WE Professional Wrestling does not
have it factors anymore.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
You are absolutely correct on that one.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
And that they are getting me a hard time to
believe with anything that somebody, after you're see is done,
after organ is done, after aj Styles is done, that
you're gonna You're not gonna You're gonna put the company
or the face of the business on somebody. There is

(30:06):
no it factors anymore. You don't have your Eddie Gerairos,
you don't have your current angles, your Christim was because
nobody and I'm not I say no, buddy, not a
lot of people take this business as serious as those
guys did.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Another big thing, though, is that you know, back in
the era you're talking about, that was the era I
lived in. There was no dirt cheese, there was no Internet. Okay,
what you have was Pro Wrestling Illustrated. You had the
WWF magazine and you had your eyeballs. That was it.

(30:44):
A lot of that kind of stuff is gone. It's
over with, it's it's it's beyond. You have to think
about the future. The future for me is going to
be a Logan Paul A Trip Williams, a J. C.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
James. You know, like a lot of these, a lot
of these, a lot of these wrestlers, these new wrestlers,
they have to go somewhere to get humbled. From my opinion,
I think if you want to take professional wrestling serious,
you have to go to the New Japan Dojo.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
You have to.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Did you just call me Dave Meltson?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
You said New Japan, Yet you said that's where they
have to go.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
You know, son of a bitch. Don't you ever compare
me to that fucking New Japan cuck. Okay, but so
what I'm saying is the New Japan Dojo brings. It
makes young wrestlers humble because it goes back to the

(31:51):
basics of wrestling and the basics of training in professional wrestling,
not just the business, the sport, the passion. They don't
have that anymore. Once you're trained by the w W
Performance Centers and you're in there to be with a
w and once you get released. Have We've seen it
time and time again. Half these rusters don't know what

(32:13):
the fuck to do with because they're not They're going
by w W ways, not wake up, smell the roses,
not every done, every promotion is gonna be a w W,
and they don't know what to do. Certain guys like
a like your fucking boyfriend the Bardona all right, they
he knew what to do and and he was in

(32:35):
the w W his entire career. He knew what The
guys like Brown Strowman did not know what to do.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
No, because I think he's doing a food show now
or something.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Guy guy guys like guys like uh, you know, uh,
I can't say EC three. But a lot of guys
who grow up in the w W ways they're lost
and they don't have that. But then you see guys
like a Brian Danielson, You see guys like an Adam Cole.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Why because they.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Already they already did the indies. They already knew what
to do exactly. You don't have that anymore. You don't
have that. A lot of these guys are in the
w W. They're w W made, you know who. You
know the guys that aren't w W made, You're guys
like the Alistair Black. You're guys like an Ethan Page.

(33:30):
You guys like a Ricky Saints Lexus King. Yes, that's
just King. They are not the w W ways. They're
in they knew the road and the indie especially Ethan Page,
I mean he you know he was an x Y champion.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
So was the Brian Pillman Jr. Lexus King, same thing.
But this is what I'm saying though. Okay, so you
see their popularity now in NXT. You see how much
they're being used in NXT, right, I mean Ethan Page
walked in from the streets and became the NXT World Champion.

(34:07):
A few months down the line, he's a North American champion.
Ricky Saints, Ricky Starks walked right in became North American champion. Okay,
you have all those indie people who know how to
put into work, who know how to do the hustle.
Are they the next step of taking us over to

(34:28):
the era?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
If you do not want to kill the business, they
have to be.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
They have to.

Speaker 6 (34:33):
Be is you do not want to kill the business
and what every and everything WW has made in the
last fucking forty fifty years, they have to be exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Okay, gat say something, man, I feel like me and
have been going back and forth for the last thirty minutes.
Say something, so I know you're a alive.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
I'm just letting you get it's it's entertaining.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Well this, yeah, this is what happens when we get
on there. I like to play Devil's advocate a lot
because I want to get a different perspective out there
for people to understand that. Hey, listen, you know we're
not talking about today, We're talking about the future.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
You want to play Devil's advocate, Play Devil's advocate with
this East, with this fucking espn ordeal.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Okay, honestly, yeah, now, now, now by Devil's advocate, you
want me to give reasons why it's good.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, we're gonna give reasons of why it's good, why
people should pay an extra three hundred and sixty dollars
a year for another another streaming service.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Okay, Okay, man, you get hard in that one there,
because I mean even you and I got this sur
private and I was, you know, complaining back and forth.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
The only thing that makes this even remotely logical is
the bottom line. Okay, That's the only thing that makes
it possible if you really don't think about it. Right,
this past year WrestleMania was in Las Vegas. It's returning

(36:20):
to Las Vegas because it made X amount of money.
This is the first time now, not including the COVID era,
where you couldn't leave the performance center. But this is
the first time since WrestleMania one and two that we've
had WrestleMania's and consecutive cities. Bottom line, bottom line, it's

(36:41):
all about the bottom line.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I don't understand why they just won't spend the money
and just put everything on one platform and just get
it done over.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
It Because it's all about money. That's the reason why
they want to squeeze everything. They want to squeeze every
single penny they possibly can out of us face. Okay,
that that's what it comes down to being.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
But they're gonna be losing a lot of fans though.
Think about how many people? All Right, So the viewership
actually went down for Raw one. I went from USA
to Netflix exactause. Okay, Now, I mean people when the
head when there was w network, that was perfect, but
they went to Peacock.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Okay, whatever, Oh a month, So let's talk about that
for a second. Okay, when the WWE network first premier
it was nine dollars and ninety nine cents. Yeah, many
many moons ago. That lasted the twenty fifteen, I believe
twenty sixteen, and then it moved over to Peacock where

(37:42):
it was actually cheaper. It was six ninety nine a month,
all right, Yeah, the back catalog wasn't there yet, so
they had to put it on there. But anyways, any who,
it was six ninety nine a month, so now they
got it. They roped you win. You're now invested in
the NXT sh like I was. Remember, I couldn't miss
a dang episode. I would be freaking ouf I missed

(38:03):
episode because it was only on it for an hour
on Wednesdays. And then it jumped up to nine ninety nine,
and then it jumped up to twelve ninety nine, then
it jumped up to I think it's fourteen ninety nine,
and now I think it's like nineteen ninety nine. That's
so you don't get the commercials. The same thing's gonna
happen with this king here. You are going to have

(38:26):
people there who cannot afford to buy the tickets for
the ples, so they say, okay, thirty bucks. There it
is back in the day, back before the network there
the only way you could get the ples. The pay
per views is exactly what it was, pay per views.
So you had to have your satellite, you had to

(38:48):
call it in and you had to pay forty nine
ninety nine to watch any pay per view except for WrestleMania,
which was seventy nine ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, but now they're talking about once it gets on
the ESPN Plus, not only got to pay the thirty
the thirty dollars a month, you got to pay an
additional thirty for the pls exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Yeah, it's gonna be gonna be back to the old
pay per view. What you want it.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
The viewership is gonna it's gonna just go down tremendously.
And you need a specially, you need a you need
either a special phone or a special TV to get
the ESPN Plus app yep, And you're not you're not incorrect,
but think of it this way here, okay, and you
simply played Devil's advocate. Okay, So so I'm doing rather

(39:40):
than having one hundred million people, all right, get the
paper for fear for freeze, right, because when you're buying Peacock,
that also includes the WWE network. So people might still
have Peacock regardless because they have, you know, any kind
of special shows there. So the WWE just gets a

(40:04):
fraction of that, all right. If you have let's just
say one hundred thousand people, spending thirty dollars plus an
additional thirty dollars sixty dollars a month. Okay, at one
hundred thousand, that's six million dollars.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
It just made.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Okay that plan, Devil's advocate, give me your true opinion.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
I think it freaking blows monkey Wiener. Honestly, I don't
understand it. You know, like my wife was the one
that texts me. She says, oh, or give me spend
another thirty bucks a month for this. I said, what
are you talking about? And she sent me. I said,
you have got to be freaking kidding me, because by
the time you sit down and actually think about it, right,

(40:50):
you have your Peacock, you have your Netflix now with
this one here, now, let's let's talk about the other
stuff other back down.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
You gotta buy Sling Blue, which is seventy dollars a month.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Okay, now, now that's only w W. Let's talk about the promotions.
You have TNA, so you have to get TNA plus
if you want to get their pay per views. Okay,
you have a e W that's on Max. Okay, you
have Triller TV, which has your indie promotions and other
shows on there. So by the time you bundle all

(41:25):
this stuff in to watch, you know, the sport that
we all love, You're gonna be spending three grand a year.
You know, that's so hard to be.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
A wrestling fan. It is so hard to be as
it's hard to be a wrestling fan. It truly is.
You want to be a w fan. Okay, so you're
spending Now you're gonna be spending thirty bucks among the
ESPN plus plus thirty bucks for the pay per views,
So what's just called sixty? And now what you know

(42:02):
whatever type of Netflix you got, I got the premium,
so that's twenty five Dolus just around up twenty five bucks,
So now you're talking eighty five dollars. And then your
Sling Blue for your fucking USA. So now so now
you have so eighty five, you're talking one fifty five.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Well see yeah, regular cables can cost you a fifty
sixty bucks.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
So that's one for the time, just for w W.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yep. Now let's not let's talk about Max Okay, Max
is I think that's twenty bucks. Okay a month Triller TV.
You can get a year subscription, which is what I
do for eighty dollars.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And then you have and if you're a New Japan fan,
you got to pay New Japan through the network, through
the actual New Japan website because they're not on access anymore.
And if you're in the States or anywhere other than Japan,
well then it goes from dollars to yen, all right,
and it's fucking I think it's one or ten million
yen all right. I don't know what the hell that

(43:06):
is in dollars, but you gotta do the whole.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
You gotta do the whole. Fucking you gotta do the
transisiony So regardless, do you have that right? You have TNA,
which is which is a state's get a promotion. TNA
Plus is the only way unless you have vice or acts.
I think it's no excuse me, access on your cable programming,
you can't get TNA. So you have to buy their

(43:30):
subscription to TNA Plus, which is two hundred and fifty
dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
It is so expensive to be a fucking wrestling fan.
Now it gets even harder because now for now for
noseblease for pls, they're in the three hundreds. And that's
just your regular pl e's, that's not your wrestle manias
or your royal rumbles.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, honestly, and I don't
know how anybody else feels about this, but ae w's
probably your best value as far as wrestling.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
A W.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I get gates other and says it, well, no, we
ain't doing that.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
I haven't fucking watched a W said they fucking got
rid of punk and I won't fucking watch them ever again.
Fuck that ship whole company, and.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Fuck Dave Meltzer. I want to shuck Yeah, okay, I
want to have a click shout out. I want to
have a click shout out to the world's greatest scumbags
and douchebags in professional wrestling history. Mister Vincent, fuck you
Russo and Dave go suck a Dick Meltzer. You guys,

(44:48):
if you're listening, are the world's greatest scums a professional
wrestling since the Brawl for all, you guys are the
world's greatest scums a professional wrestling since then. Decide to
shit on some girls head for ten million dollars, which Vince,
if you're listening, I will take that ten million if
you are willing to. But that's besides the point. All right,

(45:12):
Fuck you, Dave Meltzer. Fuck you Vince Russo. Dave Meltzer.
When you die, I'm taking a piss on your grave
right next to Jim Cortnett as he's taking a piss
on Vince Russo's grave. You both can fucking rat and hell.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
The only thing I will say though, is, Dave, I
do thank you for giving Matthew Cardona the two time
Independent Wrestler of the Year award.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Thank you, Dave, go fuck yourself and like, go fuck yourself,
both of you. Both of you can go fuck yourselves,
all right, take that fucking ten million from Vince and
get shipped on.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
But but yeah, so, like I was saying, you know,
love or hate it, aew right now is probably your
best value as far as watching wrestling goes and for
the next.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Couple of years until nobody wants to go to their
fucking shows except for the cult following. But then again,
aw is never gonna shut down as long as Tony
Kahn wants to put money into it.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
As long as that billionaires are pumping fucking money, that
company will be running with two people in the fucking crowd.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
That's the thing. And all the talent doesn't get paid
millions a year now now.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
So if you want to talk about AW just a
little bit here, I went to a couple of their
shows up here in Rochester, New York. Okay, this is
this is prior to all the WWE buyouts that they
had where they took up all those contracts.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Huge AW fan when it first came out, because it
was independent wrestling on a national stage, and I loved
the independence. I do love the independence, you know. They
to me, they're some of, if not the best wrestling
out there that's not been discovered yet. So when they
had all these wrestlers come in from the independent come,

(47:01):
you know, I was. I was overjoyed, happy, finally to
see some of my guys I watched, you know, in
the little freaking bingo halls and the American legions on
a national stage. It started going downhill once they started
buying the big money, kind of like WCW did.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I'm not gonna lie to you when w when AEW
first came out, I was a huge fan. Because I
was a big fan. I still am of New Japan.
I'm not a fucking meltzer cock, so shut the fuck
up already. But I already thought we were going with that.
You know, I was a fan of AW when I
first came out. Why because they weren't They were the
small independent that was competing with the w W. Kind

(47:43):
of like when TNA first came out with a six
out of ring on the X division. They were competing
with the w WE. But what happened in aew just
like TNA, they started getting too many ww guys in
their fucking heads, and then it just got it got big,
and then it got fucked and then it went down
and then it hasn't revised yet.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
It watered down from what it was.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
And then Tony is you're listening, for the love of God,
stick with storylines. Have a creative writer that actually knows
professional wrestling storylines, not just in ring talent. That doesn't
make sense. It's not professional wrestling. It's just a bunch
of shit, all right.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Gonna say that, Tony Khan is, thank you for fearing
for your life backstage, and thank you for bringing the
punk home. That's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
I'm not I'm not gonna we gotta we gotta stop
talking about this ship. My blood, precious rise. I'm gonna
have fucking a stroke. Let's get into something. Let's get
into something decent. All right, let's get into something decent.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
You want to get into something decent, Let's talk about
your favorite fucking person, Dave Meltzer fucking blabbing his mouth
saying that brock Lesner got paid while he was gone.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Dave Meltzer is the kidd of me, of a fucking
reject to society. I do not if Dave Meltzer would
it tell me have a good day, I would consider
him to tell me have a bad day. Go fuck yourself.
If Dave Melcher were to tell me it is ninety

(49:21):
five degrees on shunning, I would go outside in a
trench coat in an umbrella. That's how much I don't
believe a word. Dave Melcher says, you know why, because
first of all, he was there for Hogan steroid trous
he was on the Rcinio Hall Show. He was there
for Bence McMahon. Guess what he has taught so much

(49:42):
shit on Bence in Hogan saying Hogan didn't do nothing
for professional rastment other than w W. All right, even
though he praised Hogan, he's praised him his entire fucking career. Dave,
go fuck yourself for that. Dave, go fuck yourself for
giving a e W fifty three fucking five star matches
even though they don't deserve half of that shit. Dave Meltzer,

(50:06):
go fuck yourself for giving will Ospray a sorry, my apologies,
he gave will Ospray fifty three five star fucking matches.
Will Ospray, that fucking five to eight midget can go
fuck himself back to fucking self. That's England, all right,
What a thing of fucking fish and chips, all right?
And Hailey Newley he gave ae W. I will say

(50:28):
he gave ae W fifty two to five star matches.
He gave New Japan one hundred and twenty five star matches.
Altipro Algeban Pro Wrestling thirty seven day. For the love
of God, you were old. You've been doing this far
too long. You have been and Alzheimer's or dementia, wherever

(50:49):
the fuck you want to tell yourself. It's picking in
all right. You are the abomination of professional wrestling. Dave Melcher,
you are sixty five years old. Sixty five? You know
what people sixty five deal? They retire for me? I
think you retire from doing anything with professional wrestling and
just live the rest of your life sucking the cons

(51:09):
dicks all right, and everybody in Japan taking up the
fucking ash like a god damn orgy. That's why I think.
So you want to talk about fucking Dave Melcher talking
about brock Lesner? Do I did a lot of people
know that he was getting paid? So no, you know
who did? The people that read the contracts. His contract
was frozen, never terminated, but they could reinstate him and

(51:33):
keep paying him the same as if he was on
the active roster list. Rock Lesner, I wish would take
that Kamora, put it on Dave Meltzer and have both
his arm snap back, and he looks like a fucking
broken chicken. So can go across the road with Vince
Russo and me and Jim Cornett could take a fucking
semi and bam roll rall all over again.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Dave.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Alrighty h until you give Matt Cardona another award? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
You know, like the Wrestling Observer newsletter, it's fucked. I
don't believe anything they say.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
But here's the thing though, Okay, the the Wrestling Observer
has been around since what nineteen seventy two, I think
it's been or something like that, nineteen eighty two. Okay,
so like you got forty years, you know, like no.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Forty years and he still has no damn thing about wrestling.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
But that's the thing, though, you know that that's it's
almost no, no, no, I don't like talking about politics
or religion, but it's almost like the Bible, you know
what I'm saying, Like that's that's what it is. It's
it's you.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Know, Dave Melcher is the Bible of professional wrestling. I
pray to God somebody burns it and sees him in hell.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
This is not supported by all views by this NSC
Wrestling Game of podcast is the views of one coast.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Guys. Like Okay, for the people that are listening, I
know you guys feel the same way about me, about
Dave Meltzer, all right, about fucking Tony Kahan, about how
he has so much shit and he is just this
little kid with a bunch of wrestlers in his fucking
toy box and he can only play with two at
a time unless it's some goddamn mute. All Right, you

(53:26):
are out here, know how I roll you fans know.
I don't know how to tell a lie. I know
how to speak the truth. But when I speak the truth,
it sounds a lot like me speaking the truth. They
say the truth hurts, Well, guess what. I'm in the
hurt business. That's what this is. Listen, triple a shit,

(53:49):
the best of seth rollins. If you ain't making enemies,
you ain't making money. The only difference to me is
I speak out for the masses to say, Dave Mouser,
go fuck yourself. That's it. I'm not I'm not I'm
not biased. I'm not biased. Some of the matches that
he graded five stars, were they five stars? Let's go,

(54:11):
let's let's just talk about a couple that catch my
eye real real quick, real quick.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
All right, all right, So as as a director of
chaos is going on this tangent thanks to the Golden Saints.
They're talking about.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Right, the Razor Shawn Michaels WrestleMania five nineteen ninety four,
five star, five star, one of the Pioneer match, one
of the greatest of all time. All Right, Summer Slam
nineteen ninety four, Brent versus Owen five star, five star,
one of two of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time.
Rest in peace, Owen Hart. All right, let's talk about

(54:47):
another one real quick. Let's talk about Brett versus Stone
Colt WrestleMania thirteen. Who all right, perfect, one of the
one of the best. Let's talk about Sean Michaels versus
Undertaker and You're House Bad Blood nineteen ninety seven. I'm
down for that. I'm I'm down for that. That That

(55:07):
was great. That was great. They even have an e
even has an east W matchin here. Hooper Tugarrea versus
Raymisterial Junior big Ass Extreme Bash, March ninth, nineteen ninety six.
I won one hundred percent agree with that as an
A as an east W mark. Thank you, TNA, Christopher Daniels,
aj Saalsamolo, Joe if In a triple threat, unbreakable, one

(55:29):
of the greatest. Right, But then you see a bunch,
You see a pattern. G one Climax, G one Climax,
G one Climax, Best of the Super Juniors, All Star Weekend,
G one Climax, Lada, YadA, fucking YadA, jeez, just christ Day,
all right, what is your fucking problem? How many g

(55:52):
one climaxes. Can you give a five star match too?
You can't, You PI physically can't. Not every wrestler is
gonna be the greatest of all time. They're not gonna
be your talking about. You know, they're not gonna be
your Massala's all right. If they're not, they're not gonna
be here, Tonio Noki's. As much as you want to
believe it, they're not.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Well.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
I mean, obviously it's happening, all right.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Fucking will Osprey, Fucking Crenny Omega is a great wrestler,
but he does not deserve that many five star matches.
Will Osprey is bill at six to one. I saw
him at the at the Newark con wrestle Fest, and
let me tell you that fucking mische is about five
seven five eight. I don't know if he's got platform
heels on in the ring, but he's now six to one.

(56:35):
I let me tell you any ring ability absolutely fucking sucks.
I'm telling right now, Ricochet is better than the ring
to will Osprey.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Okay, listen, you might want to pause this because I
remember you telling me to check out will Osprey and
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I will I should check out will Osprey. Versus Ricochet.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
But you know, will Osprey, Like, I'll be honest with
you folks out there, I always said, New Japan is
the minor leagues, and do I still believe that? Yes,
all right, I believe, you know, in the Tears of Promotion. Unfortunately,
WWE is still the major leagues.

Speaker 8 (57:20):
And then you've been on a classic rant in a while,
and then you have you know your ae W TNAS
which is you know, the the Triple the Triple minors,
and then you're double minors, you know r O Wage
and then so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
But the director of Chaos turned me on to New
Japan about two and a half years ago before will
Osprey just arrived in ae W permanently where he did
a couple of matches on I was like, oh, man,
check out this guy. And I remember him saying, you know,
you gotta check out some of his YouTube stuff in
New Japan. So I turned on New Japan and I
started watching. I was like, Wow, this guy is really talented.

(58:01):
The stuff that he can do. I was just amazed
by it. So yeah, so he was kind of a
well I was pretty smart too.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I'm just saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no. I liked some of his matches, not all
of them. They even have Speedball Mike Bailey versus Will Ostpray,
fucking speedball Mike Bailey.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
In TNA, He's hit me tn A. He was amazing,
Like he's still good in ae W. You know, do
I think he's a top tier performer. That's in question.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
But it seems like any match that has Kenny Omega
or Will Osprey is a five star match. Will versus
Kyle Fletcher. Kyle Fletcher, I enjoy your wrestling, but you're
not a five star match. Fucking wrestler. Buddy fucking Gabe
Kid versus Kenny Omega. Guess what, Buddy, No, No.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
I don't know. I mean, I mean, I know.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I know, I know, I know. F Let's get into
something different because my blood pressure is rising. I feel
my left arm tingling. It's going numb. Let's get into

(59:28):
something differ. Yeah, my fucking eyes twitching. Let's get into
something different. Got I gotta, I gotta close out of
this because I just fuck me. Fuck yeah. You bring
out the worst of engage, you bring out the worst
of me.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
I take it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Let's talk about all right, So we have gone over
a lot. We've gotten over Brock, We've gotten over Logan.
Fuck you, Paul, we gone over. Let's talk about I
really want to get in the topic of the faction,
the double bs, Seth Rollins and Paul Hayman on what

(01:00:17):
I'm gonna ask Gage first, because Gage, I feel like
I had to talk a lot. Do you feel like
Paul Hayman's gonna be going with Roman Brock? I'm standing
up for this. Boys, I'm doing a Dave mcgraca here.
I'm standing up for this.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
That's a whole lot of sight right there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeahsily, this is just gonna be an audio version on
a video version.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
We'll be definitely getting done it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Gae, he's gonna split and then he's gonna go with Brock.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Okay, big c douche. What do you what do you
feel like?

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
You know? The thing I look at is the Brock.
Things already happened, all right, He's got it evolve because
Brock is gonna be there forever. Neither and I'm sure
Hayman wants to keep on getting a paycheck, so I
could see him sticking with Ron Breaker more than the

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other two have him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
End with Brock. Have Brock's career end with Hayman?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
So so, so here we go, So he ends it
with Hayman. Okay, then where's the payoff for Hayman? How
does he get back and good graces there with a
bron breaker.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
The same way he fucking got his good graces in
with Seth Rollins double turning his fucking friends.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
But he never had a run with Seth Rollins. This
is his first run with Seth Robins.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Yeah. But but but I'm gonna sit down again because
I'm gonna go another here. Okay, Okay, let's look at Okay,
Paul Hayman, Paul Hayman, Wrestlers Managed. Let's let's talk about

(01:02:17):
I'm not I'm not gonna get into everything other than
w w W E. All right, so obviously Brock Lesnar,
Roman Ray and seam Punk, Kurt Angle, Big Show, Seth Rollins, Csorrow,
I'm going okay, so hardcore Holly didn't realize that test

(01:02:46):
the Dulphine's More Hide and Reich, Curtis Axel Right, Big Show,
r v D. Okay, so you're gonna tell me how
how how is he gonna line himself back with fucking
bron Are you kidding me? Are you? Are you smoking

(01:03:11):
the same ship? Dave meltzerraz you son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I am asking you logical question.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
And I'm giving you a logical answer. Are you smoking
the same ship? Dave Meltzeriz?

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Well, I mean there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
All right? How is he gonna line himself after Brock?
Same same thing he's done with every single wrestler he's
ever managed. Hey, you know I can. I can make
a career, right or he goes to Brown like Brown,
I apologize, I sincerely apologize. You know, me and Brock
we just had a thing. I have to I have

(01:03:52):
the same I'm sorry my trible cheers. I love you,
my tribal cheer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
But there you go, though. Okay, so you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Fath fucking snake, Paul, heyman, you fat fucking snake.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
So so he turned his back on Brock once to
go with Roman ring.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
No, he's you gonna mean to hit in the beginning.
So it was he turned his back first on the
big show, with the big show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
You have to go with the big show part of
the alliance. And then it was what I would see
him punk when Brock was the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Punk and then Roman yeah, so three comes he turned
his back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Off so but but the thing would see him Punk
was that Brock wasn't there, Okay, so he aligned himself
with see Him Punk. When Punk, it was after straight
at Society. So Punk came back or Rock came back
in twenty twelve, I want to see it was all right,

(01:04:56):
And that was after the straight Edge Society and after
the whole I'm a Paul Haman guy gimmick happened. He
came back with Bron. Punk left though, so who is
he gonna go with to stay with Brock? Okay, doesn't

(01:05:17):
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
You're answering your own question then, because you just said, well,
what's he gonna do with what after Brock? What has
he always done after Brock? So you just answered your
own question.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
But he's turning his back on Bron to go to Brock,
to go back to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
He turned his back on Brock multiple times. We just
said he and Bron's always Brock has always been Okay,
let's go Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Okay, but listen, this is what I'm saying is when
he went with seeing Punk, proc wasn't there. He was gone.
He was doing his new Japan and UFC and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Okay, taking names, chewing Bubba up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
He makes his return back but Paul, but Paul isn't
with Punk at that time. When he returns back. Yeah,
he never turned his back on Punk. It's just dissolve,
all right. When he turned his back on Brack technically

(01:06:24):
was with the Roman Reigns the bloodline feud.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
But he's also turned his back on Roman. Will not
necessarily turned his back but made Roman's life a living hell,
and Romans still kept going with him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
He was still the wise man during that storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Now he's a dombas.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Same thing when when Roman, when Roman took us hiatus,
he was forcibly with that Punk h Solo so Cola
and I didn't like that at all. But then, of course,
you know, then we see what happened there, Solo freaking
meat the crap out of him, and you know, I
believe you, and I during the time was hoping that
Brock would come back to avenge his friend because you know,

(01:07:10):
blah blah blah blah blah. But so he turned his
back on Roman with Solo, well I did not. I
wouldn't say he turn his back on Roman with Solo
because he was interested. He went with solo, he turned
his back on Roman with with with Seth rolins at
wressele Meani and turn his back on Punk technically speaking

(01:07:35):
first time around at wressele Meani.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yes, and then he joined Seth and now we're now
we're here. Would you be interested in seeing Paul Hayman
get me h in the same faction if they could
make it happen with a Roman rans brock Lesnar seeing
Punk called the Paul Haman guys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
But how I'm gonna say, I'm playing devil's advocate here?
How could you trust him?

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
You can't? But how could you trust? Uh? I shouldn't
say this, Nah, this this may be okay. Let's just
say you meet a girl, a nice little girl right
there on a corner. Let me take your home. How
could he trust her? You can't. You just gotta go
with it. Whatever happens happens after that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Well, that's why you buy yourself a cheap hotel room,
so that you know, that's why you buy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Some cheap protections. And I don't know, is your name's
brock Lessner, you have protection? You're right or left arm?
Is your name's Roman Arranged? You're right and left arm?
If your name is seam Punk, you got Gage Spadini
over here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
But see that, That's what I'm saying, like, in order
for this here to be possible, right, what's the payoff?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
The penyoff is we see a fucking faction that it's
got Brock, Punk and Roman in it, and you're like,
holy shit, this is gonna be epic. And then they
and then they become the new Shield, take out Sena,
and then Sena writes off like that. But my hope
is they go after Logan Paul and then they break
Logan Paul's spot, and then I don't have to hear

(01:09:18):
you say, well what about putting Logan Paul front of
the business, And then I'd be like, hah he's in
a fucking wheelchair. Ha ha ha. Well I have no
if that does happen the government, I do have alibis.
I was not part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
But well keep it. Here we go, kid. So you're
seeing Roman, you're seeing Rock, You're seeing Punk, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Isn't that what everybody wants to see? Though?

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
All three of those though, want a world champion, So
who are you gonna make world champion?

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Rock has been nothing his entire career so you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Have one thing undisputed one be the heavyweight and then
would be explain out you bring back the Universal title.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Okay, so universal title Trump's other two. Then, so now
you're gonna have uh what who are you gonna have?
The Universal there? And you don't have the two that
you guys be lackeys or you could have you could
be you know, an XP. Okay, see bottom tier champion.
You want to see what I'm saying, But it doesn't stampunk,

(01:10:30):
It doesn't make sense. Though it doesn't I can't see
the payoff on that happening. I can't see the payoff
where all three are just happy, go lucky without any
kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
True So you know my feelings about this past summer plan.
So where was the payoffs on having Jay and Roman
and a tag match go against fucking Brown and Bronson.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
We've already talked about. There was no payoff and made
absolutely no sense at all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
So why not have this make no sense at all?
But just have it for the fans.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I can't see the storyline though evolved. You have to
have an evolved in storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Okay, Okay, so what if we don't have what if
we don't have Paul Hammond in this faction and just
have Roman, Punk and Rock.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Do you think Punk would be happy to be in
the US Champion or in the Continental champion.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Because I know Gage wouldn't. I know Gage wouldn't like
to see that happen, but I would love to see
that happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Okay, So if you won, what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
But even if he won in or Continental, he's held
it before, so like I could see him holding it again.
But at the same time, he wants that world heavyweight title.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
That and that's what I'm saying, you know, Broncs, So
we bring out the Universal, we bring out the Universal.
So who what I'm saying is those who's gonna be
the middle tier then of the championships because the Universe.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Okay, So how I would look at how I would
look at this then, right, how I would look at this.
I would look at the heavyweight title on Roman, I
would look at the Universal or the undisputed on Brock
and then the Universal. I'm Punk.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Brock on SmackDown Roman and Punk on Raw.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
It doesn't make sense. And so then where's your faction?

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
It's what evolution wanted. It's what evolution wanted Da Batista
to do, so you had triple A and d Batist
will hold both titles on both shows.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
And what happened with that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Power bombs through the table?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Yeah, because no one wants to play second fiddle. This
isn't the dueling Banjos. And that's the reason why I
say it doesn't make Can I see Punk aligning with
one of those three? Only if like he's freaking like,
you know, really really really like I mean, I can't

(01:13:23):
see it. So where do we see Brock then? Or
do we seep Brock?

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Because we didn't see him this week on a Raw,
we didn't see much SmackDown. So next week or the
week after, where is he gonna show up Raw or SmackDown?
SmackDown going against Sana?

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I think it's I think it's gonna gainst Cody. You
can't bring back and not have him immediately being not
being in the main event. All right, why we already know?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
What did he go? You already raw and try to
get Paul Hayman back? Why why we need you to
go against Cody?

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
I say that because where was where was Roman at SmackDown?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
But okay, but Roman needs but he'll be giving back
the eighteenth. He'll be back in two weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Uh, that's not confirmed.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It has been report. Okay, it has been confirmed. Actually
I'm showing you. I'll show you right now. I'm bringing
it up right now, Roman Ring go fuck yourself gage
all right right here? Uh yeah, yeah, So he will

(01:14:57):
be at class in Paris. Okay, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Because Roman's got right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Now August eighteenth, August eighteenth, uh, Monday night raw and said,
wells Fargo and Philly. That is two weeks okay, and
that's back and firm.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
So why take he is taking got, he's got movie rules.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I don't know where is gonna go because because Romans
still needs his rematch against Cody for the title.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Listen, I'm not saying Brock's gonna beat Cody, but you
gotta have that there to take that freaking to fill
up that space, that star power space.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
Brock's gonna Brock's gonna come back after two years and
fucking lose to Cody. Are you are you fucking high
right now? Do I have to drug test you on
the podcast?

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Listen?

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
He came back to twenty twelve and lost against Sina.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
The fucking off Gage.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
It is a possibility. I mean that, that's that's what
I'm looking You're not fired, You're still here.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
You gotta do it, and you gotta do it in
the Vince mcmn your fired voice.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Uh after I've done shitting on your head.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Before, don't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
So you're fire.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
So what I'm seeing is that is this right here? Okay? Obviously,
like I said, you're he's old. He still looks in
the phenomenal shape, and I'm sure that he can still
go in the ring with no wather all right, Yeah,
but to put this trap on him after Cody just
want it back? No, in the picture You're gonna do

(01:17:06):
with Cody. Cody's still gonna mean the picture as in, like,
where do you see him? The title back now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Right? Cody getting the title back?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
He finished his story last wrestle Manium Philly. What is
there to finish now?

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
What they need to turn him fucking heel? They need
to turn him heal.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
You're exactly correct on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
There.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
He needs to go heal. You need to have the
r O H New Japan Cody road show up and
just be that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
With Brandon.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
His problem is that right now he's he's fucking scared
because he doesn't want to do that because he has
the weight of the company on his shoulders, and he's
like terrified if he turns heel that nobody's gonna like
when everybody wants it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
He knows that everybody wants this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
You're absolutely correct, like everybody, like everybody wants Brandy. If
you've never seen a Cody a heel, Cody Rhoades, do
yourself a favor and YouTube New Japan r O wage
because he was vicious.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Hey, time out real quick? Can we have a quick
time out on? Uh, how the fuck Sammy beat solo
on SmackDown and Keig didn't beat him in a steel
cage match? Go up yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Well that's I mean, well we talked about that, you know,
like when you had the MFT there, okay, it's a
numbers game. You had Jimmy come up to try to
help a hand, but obviously you know one against three
doesn't work out regardless of who you are.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
So and then I just SmackDown. This past Mackdown sucked.
Why would you have Cody? Wait, why would you have
Cody and seeing her team up go against fucking Logan,
Paul and Drew. All Right, Why would you have that?
Why the fuck would you have that? And that's gonna
set up a match between John and Logan Paul, And

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Speaker 9 (01:23:20):
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hold on, can you talk real quick?

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