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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Obsession.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it is a strange paradox that oftentimes man becomes
lost in a wilderness within the surge of teeming humanity.
To be alone in a crowd is the greatest sorrow
ever devised in heaven or hell. To be lost in
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a jungle or upon the great tundras is understandable and excusable,
and there is always polaris to lead one to the
true north. But to be wandering in a people's maize
with a lonely mind is to be hopelessly enmeshed within
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a web design by the spider which lays in wait
for Verry Sullivan. In our story, Faith is the evidence
a deadly spider known as obsession. On the outskirts of
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a small Midwestern town, a train approached the railroad yard fast,
coming in with stack steaming. It wasn't a sleek, fast
moving passenger train, and the station master had no idea
that there might be any passengers getting off. As a
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matter of fact, two men who did get off this
train were not exactly traveling first class. They were coming in,
John oh, I said, we're coming in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You better get set to make tracks before the yard
day gets curious for the flashlight Yeah, when we shake
the dust off this rattler, we'd better split out until
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Then we can meet down here in time to hop
the east Brown.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, it wouldn't do for a couple of tramps to
be seen together with one guy out of a job
and bust.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It is enough.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The two of them is just one too many for
the citizens the stomach. Yeah, okay, Molly, I'll see you
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'll take off.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Here, door's heavy.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well, I'll wait for you at the water tower, John,
But don't be late.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay, So long, Molly, and good luck on the handouts,
saying back at you, so long, so long, okay, buddy.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh oh, wait a minute, Where do you think you're going,
mister me?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I uh, I don't know, But if I was to
make a guess right now, i'd kind of say, I'm
probably heading for the city of Bastille.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Where are you from, buddy?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I don't know. I don't think I'm from any place.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, I'm from a lot of place. I'm just
a guy that's rope, out of a job and trying
to get along.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's all you.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
No look or sound like a hobo, mister no, no, no,
you're too young to be tramping the roads. You don't
talk like you did either. Sure, I went to school once,
if that's what you mean. They even gave me an
engraved sheepskin when I got through one that proclaims in
loud letters that I'm a Bachelor of Arts.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Are you trying to be smart with me? Son?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Smart? No? No, not me.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I couldn't be smart if I wanted to. Mister ask
me a question and I answered it, and now we'd
better get going.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Don't you think you don't like being locked up to you?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Son?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
No, no, I don't. I didn't think so. So maybe
I I didn't see you jump off that train. Oh yeah,
maybe I was somewhere else. That's the catch, No catch, son,
except maybe it's Sunday morning. Maybe it's going to be
a nice day, and maybe you'd rather walk around in
the sunshine and sit on a jail cot.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Maybe yeah, maybe I would.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
You better be out of town before tomorrow night, or
I might have to run you in after all, you
had along before somebody else sees you.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Okay, and thanks, you're pretty yah.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Wait a minute, yeah, you probably get breakfast up at
the parsonage.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Parsonally.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, you'll find it at Magnolim.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Third.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Doctor Holmestead is the minister's name, and I don't think
he'll turn you down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Thanks, thanks again, mister.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Or I won't forget this.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yes, oh I yes, I didn't expect. I mean well,
I wanted to see doctor Holsteed.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
You mean doctor Holmestead. Don't you home?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh yes, of course I guess I do.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
Well, he's just having breakfast breakfast, but if it's important,
I can call it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh no, no, it's not important. I'll I'll come back again.
And who is it Catherine?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Father, it's a gentleman to see you, to see me.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How do you do too?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Won't you come in?
Speaker 9 (05:59):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Please do? Thank you, Alvin? What can I do for you?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I didn't mean to disturb your doctor, but I was told,
I mean well, I was told that maybe I could
get breakfast here.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh breakfast.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I haven't got any money to pay you for it,
but if you've got a couple of odd jobs around here,
I could do well.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Of course, my boy. Hey, Catherine, set another place at
the table, will you, I will, father, And if you'd
like to follow me, I'll show you where you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Can wash up a little. No, but I don't want
to put you to any trouble. I mean, just a sandwich,
your something. I can eat it outside.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think it's always much nicer to sit down to
a table, don't you if you just come this way? Son?
I wonder if you'll forgive my rudeness, young man. But
I have my sermon to finish, and I must get
to it. If you just remain comfortable and finish your breakfast,
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my daughter here will keep you company.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Well, I think i'd better be going and leave all
those lovely huts.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh well, I could take them with me.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You stay right where you are, my boy, and I'll
see you later.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Goodbye, doctor.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Well some more syrup?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Oh please, yes, thank you.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Tell me, mister Carvio, what do you do I mean
when you're working?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, I started out to be a writer, a writer.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
What sort of things did you write?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
A lot of tripe Pollyanna stuff? H I used to
believe it too. What do you mean, oh?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Stuff like good fellowship, silver lining, it's always darkers just
before dawn.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's a long roll that has no turning.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Well, what do you mean you used to believe it?
Don't you now?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Nope? Why because it's not true.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
I think it is, so does my father.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Oh sue, being a minister or a man's got to
believe it so is he can preach it, and I
guess people want to hear it preach too, But that
doesn't make it true. Why not, Well, there's a lot
of things people want to hear about how perfect everything is,
that God has loved that, the beautiful sunshine everywhere. Well, well,
they don't believe that stuff. How can they? Maybe they
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used to think it was a long roll that doesn't turn,
but they get kind of hungry and tired waiting for
it too, and the silver lining hasn't shown up yet.
They don't want to hear about God is love and
faith and hope and all the rest. They want to
hear how they can do something for themselves, and it'd
be suckers for the first guy that came along too.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They'd believe anything that might help them. Maybe, But you.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Say the word of God wouldn't help them. Isn't that
what you mean? Mister Carple?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Look, Miss Homestead, there are two subjects that I don't
argue about, politics and religion.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe
all right, you prefer Well, it sort.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Of looks like I've done a pretty good job on
my breakfast, doesn't it. And now maybe you could figure
out a few little chores I could do to pay you.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
I can't think of any chores, but I'll tell you
what you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Can do if you want anything at all.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Church with me this morning, Church, listen to my father's sermon.
Nobody will try to convert you. And I think that's
the least you could do to thank my father, to
listen to what he has to say rather a good speaker,
will you.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, that's what you want me to do, I guess
I can stand.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
It, thanks to car. And after church you can come
back and have lunch with him.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And in conclusion, may I leave you with these few
thoughts that carry with him so much hope and faith
and promise of the eternal future. They are indeed beatitudes
of strength. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness,
or they shall be filled. Blessed are they who mourn,
or they shall be comforted. And blessed are they who
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are meek, or they shall inherit the earth. And in
these words of.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Everlasting truth and promise, seek ye the comfort of life
and of life beyond.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Ahmen, you please sit here, mister cavill. I'll have lunch
on in a moment. Of course, it won't be very thankful. Look,
I'm afraid I'm overdoing it just a little bit. Don't
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you think I mean have to all breakfast?
Speaker 9 (10:35):
And well?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think nothing of it, my boy. We enjoy having
a guest. We don't have very many, you know, so
we're really taking advantage of you, not you of us.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, it's very kind of you, sir er.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
How did you like my sermon this morning, mister carvill
Y sermon?
Speaker 8 (10:50):
I don't think mister carvill liked it very well?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Father, Oh why not?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, I didn't say that.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Mister Cabble believes that sermon should be more practical. That's
faith and all too flimsy to help me. Well, isn't
that what you said?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Carver?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yes, maybe it is why, my boy. Well, I guess
your sermon was all right this morning, Doctor Homestead. Things
that people want to hear, I mean people that only
come to church to sell their conscience, the ones that
don't need any help to begin with, don't they, mister Carvill. Well,
maybe spiritual help, I guess. But I'm talking about the
kind of sermon that would really help people.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Why how bad?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I could preach a sermon that wouldn't even leave standing room.
I'd tell them a few things, a few things that
might help right now, so they wouldn't have to wait
until they went into the next world. Things that might
begin to fill up that emptiness that people feel when
they're down and out, when they discouraged and everything's a mess.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's what I do if I were a minister.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That sounds very interesting, my boy.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you could do it, of course I could do it.
I think I know what people want, I mean, really want.
We're having a meeting at the church Tuesday night. Supposing
you preach the sermon, mister Carvill priestless. Oh no, no,
I couldn't do that now. Besides, I want can be
here Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Have you someplace definite to go?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, no, not exactly, But.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Then why couldn't you stay until Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, I should like to hear that sermon, my boy.
Oh no, doctor, I.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
I think mister Carver was just talking father joking. I
don't think he meant what he said.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Of course I meant what I said.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
And why don't you prove it?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Do with?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
My father?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Asked, Well because I because?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Why?
Speaker 9 (12:21):
My boy?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I all right, all right, I will do it.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Maybe I was just talking to hear myself talk, but
I'd like to prove whether I'm right or not and
if I am.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That day Doctor hosted on Tuesday Night.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
When a man seeks for proof, it is obvious that
he walters and the dank undergrowth of doubt. But one
only arbitrarily tries to prove what he disbelieves, and the
constant search for that proof is the short sign of
a mind consciously or not, held in the shackles of
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an obsession.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
No moment return to our story.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
John Cargo nervously waiting.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
In the doctor's study.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He's had his tattered, battered suit pressed by Kathy.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
He looks much fitter.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He wears also one of her father's white shirts several
sizes too large.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Why don't you sit down and relax, mister Carbo. You
wear yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Out this homestead. Yes, I don't think I can go
through with it.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Why.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's just that well, I thought I had something to say,
but I guess I have it. I can't think of
a thing you will. What makes you think I will?
I tell you I haven't got a thought in my mind.
It's funny too, because I was so sure before. I
was so certain now I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
But you must. After all, Father's told everyone that there'll
be a guest speaker. You can't let them down.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Look, it isn't a question of letting anybody down.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's a matter of me going out there and making
a first class fool out of myself.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I tell you I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
You'll do it, mister Carvi.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
What makes you so sure?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Ready for you? Mister Carvill Will you come this way? Please?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But I just got through telling Miss Homestead that he
was just got through.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Telling me he was going to say father, and it
sounds wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm good for you, my boy.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know this experiment of yours is proving to be
one of the most interesting things that's happened to us
in a long time. Now you follow me, please.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'll talk to Homestead. You'll be late.
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Now be listening, my dear people.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We have a visitor with us tonight, mister John Carver,
who first came to our house last Sunday morning, and
whose sense then has proved himself to be a very
good and valuable friend. Without knowing of his text, I
asked him to talk to you to night, and he
very kindly consented. And now, without me saying anything further,
may I introduce mister John Carver.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Thank you, and ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
The other day, when I told Doctor Homestead that I
had something to say, I guess I was wrong, because
what I have to say shouldn't be said here. The
reason that I said I had something to say is
that I well, I disagreed with Doctor Holmstead. I disagreed
with whoever it was that said blessed other meek, for
they shall inherit the earth. The meek have never inherited
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anything except tragedy and unhappiness in a kicking around the
strong who inherits the earth brute force. Take what you
can get, no matter how you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Have to take it. Blessed are they?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The make are blessed and blessed with everything and anything
that the strong doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Kicks aside.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
My father was meek and he was blessed. Ah, but
what does it matter?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You don't want to hear what I've got to say.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
A blasphemia is if I did say it, and you'd
smirk and sneer and say that I was doomed to
eternal fire and brimstone.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
All Right, I am, and I'm glad of it if
that's what it means not to be me.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't want the earth, you can have it.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I I got the package I had with me, Doctor Homestead,
I'd like to get it.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's got a few things in it that Wait a minute, John,
he said, sit down for a moment, won't you? What's
for I'd like to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I don't think there's much of anything to say, doctor Homestead,
except that I'm sorry that I embarrassed you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You didn't embarrass me in the least. John. In fact,
i'm glad you said. But you did, John, what happened?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, you spoke of your father. You didn't finish what
you were going to say. Would you mind telling me?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
He wouldn't be interested, doctor Homestead, because it Yes, Well,
my father was a doctor. He was a very great
doctor and a very great man. They got himself mixed
up with a lot of cock eyed ideas. He went
for that blessed other meek stuff that's what happened to him.
What do you mean that's what happened to him? John, Look,
doctor Homestead. My father was a great man. I worshiped him.
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I always wanted to be like him, just like him,
because he was tolerant, gentle and meek.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And do you know what that did to him and
to my mother?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, my father never refused to call, dead of night,
middle of the winter, howling blizzard, even for a toothache,
he'd go.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They never collected any money.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
People could tell him they didn't have it, and he'd
tear up the bill, or he'd say, pay me when
you get it. They never got it. But they bought
automobiles and radios and new clothes, but they never got
enough money to pay my father for saving their lives
or helping them when they needed it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But still he'd go out every call, night and day,
day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Even when he was sick, he'd go until finally had
killed him.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
One night he came to my mother and myself and
he apologized because he knew he was about to die.
He said he was sorry that he couldn't leave mother
and me anything except a bunch of worthless bills, and
those people, doctor Holmestead. Those people didn't even come to
his funeral, not even a card or a note saying
they were sorry. Sure my dad was me can he
inherited the earth six feet of it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
See?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's that's why I shut off my mouth every time
I think of it. I see red.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Red usually means a danger signal, doesn't it, John? And
the usual thing to do when you see red is
to stop. The green is the light.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
To go go on.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
John, your father was probably even much greater man than
you thought he was, and he inherited a great deal
more than you think he did. You what think about that?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
John?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know what I mean without me telling it to you.
If he were alive, I wonder what he would have
thought about that speech of yours the other night. You see, John,
your father lived and died for a principle, the principle
of mankind. He was meek, yes, but Christ was meek.
But it takes strength to be meek, enough strength to
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thresh the money changers, enough strength to live for what
he believed in. And it sometimes takes more strength to
live for what you believe in than it does to
die for it. That's all I had to say goodbye, John, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Doctor.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Cheer.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I thought she was never going to show John. I
waited and waited last night. I was going to catch
these down without Well I'm here now, sure, let's go on.
Let's get going on. There comes the right lin. Now
try for the set of cost Come.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
On, wait a minute, your guy, the art dick, Come.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
On, John start Rosco, Come on, John, go on, Marley,
I'm staying.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Let's go on.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, sucker, what did you stop for a boy? Why
didn't you grab the train with your buddy?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Never mind? Never mind? If I'm pinched, I'm pinched.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I didn't figure on you stopping. I didn't shoot to
get you, but sort of make sure that you wouldn't
keep going. You know, we don't like tramps in this town.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Well I'm not going, and your shooting didn't change my
mind any either, except to make me wonder kind of
suddenly where it was I thought I was going, what
I was running away from?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm staying right here.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you don't mind, there's no place else to go. Well, well, what.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
A little while ago, I got a phone call with
a certain chap might try to op the eastbound about now.
Wish him luck if he made it if he didn't.
Doctor Holmestead lives at third and Igno You.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, Hello, John Cavell.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Hello.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
How long have you been sitting here in the church.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh, I don't know quite a while.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I guess we've been waiting for you at the house.
We'd about giving up. Then the caretaker said you were
over here. It changed your mind about leaving. Yeah, I'm
glad about that, John. I guess Dad'll be pretty glad too.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He thinks a lot of you, Jessie, so do I.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
That's why I was hoping you'd come back. In fact,
that's why I called mister Perkins. Perkins, he's the detective
that takes care of the freight yards.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh, so you were the one who called him.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
But I didn't want you to come back if you
didn't want to. Really, I thought it might be that
you had some place to go, something to find.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I did, but I guess i'd already found it, Kathy,
at your house.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Should we go there now?
Speaker 9 (23:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
It's a beautifully clear day, isn't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It, John, First day I've known in a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Kathy, you understand that.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
I think i'd understand better if I knew why you
came back.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I don't know exactly why myself, Catherine, except well, well,
maybe I'm a sucker like my dad. Maybe I've gone
for the same things he went for. Blessed are they
good enough for him? Yes, I guess so. Yes, it
must have been. And I can't kick much because he
was happy. He was very happy. I haven't been at all.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
You can be.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I know that, Kathy, and I'm going to be from
now on. Thanks to your father and.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Mine, John, That's what I meant the day I talked
to you. Your father was like mine. That's why. Blessed
are they that are meek, So they shall inherit the earth,
and they shall be queathed to you. It's yours for
the taking.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
John, yours for the taking, Alice, for the taking too.
Isn't that so, Cathy?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yes, John, Yes, the meek shall inherit the earth. The
earth is for the taking. In the beginning, God created
the heavens and the earth, and created man in his
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own image. Therefore, man can, by the very power of
this heritage, become godlike unless, and I say unless, the
dark Angel was passed out of Paradise shall speak his
silent and evil words and fill the mind with the
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quick signs of obsession.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
He don't.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Obsession. Our story was produced and transcribed by C. P
McGregor in Hollywood, a
Obsession.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it is a strange paradox that oftentimes man becomes
lost in a wilderness within the surge of teeming humanity.
To be alone in a crowd is the greatest sorrow
ever devised in heaven or hell. To be lost in
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a jungle or upon the great tundras is understandable and excusable,
and there is always polaris to lead one to the
true north. But to be wandering in a people's maize
with a lonely mind is to be hopelessly enmeshed within
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a web design by the spider which lays in wait
for Verry Sullivan. In our story, Faith is the evidence
a deadly spider known as obsession. On the outskirts of
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a small Midwestern town, a train approached the railroad yard fast,
coming in with stack steaming. It wasn't a sleek, fast
moving passenger train, and the station master had no idea
that there might be any passengers getting off. As a
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matter of fact, two men who did get off this
train were not exactly traveling first class. They were coming in,
John oh, I said, we're coming in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You better get set to make tracks before the yard
day gets curious for the flashlight Yeah, when we shake
the dust off this rattler, we'd better split out until
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Then we can meet down here in time to hop
the east Brown.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, it wouldn't do for a couple of tramps to
be seen together with one guy out of a job
and bust.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It is enough.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
The two of them is just one too many for
the citizens the stomach. Yeah, okay, Molly, I'll see you
tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'll take off.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Here, door's heavy.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well, I'll wait for you at the water tower, John,
But don't be late.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Okay, So long, Molly, and good luck on the handouts,
saying back at you, so long, so long, okay, buddy.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh oh, wait a minute, Where do you think you're going,
mister me?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I uh, I don't know, But if I was to
make a guess right now, i'd kind of say, I'm
probably heading for the city of Bastille.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Where are you from, buddy?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I don't know. I don't think I'm from any place.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I mean, I'm from a lot of place. I'm just
a guy that's rope, out of a job and trying
to get along.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's all you.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
No look or sound like a hobo, mister no, no, no,
you're too young to be tramping the roads. You don't
talk like you did either. Sure, I went to school once,
if that's what you mean. They even gave me an
engraved sheepskin when I got through one that proclaims in
loud letters that I'm a Bachelor of Arts.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Are you trying to be smart with me? Son?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Smart? No? No, not me.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I couldn't be smart if I wanted to. Mister ask
me a question and I answered it, and now we'd
better get going.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Don't you think you don't like being locked up to you?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Son?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
No, no, I don't. I didn't think so. So maybe
I I didn't see you jump off that train. Oh yeah,
maybe I was somewhere else. That's the catch, No catch, son,
except maybe it's Sunday morning. Maybe it's going to be
a nice day, and maybe you'd rather walk around in
the sunshine and sit on a jail cot.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Maybe yeah, maybe I would.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
You better be out of town before tomorrow night, or
I might have to run you in after all, you
had along before somebody else sees you.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Okay, and thanks, you're pretty yah.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Wait a minute, yeah, you probably get breakfast up at
the parsonage.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Parsonally.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, yeah, you'll find it at Magnolim.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Third.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Doctor Holmestead is the minister's name, and I don't think
he'll turn you down.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Thanks, thanks again, mister.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Or I won't forget this.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yes, oh I yes, I didn't expect. I mean well,
I wanted to see doctor Holsteed.
Speaker 8 (05:42):
You mean doctor Holmestead. Don't you home?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh yes, of course I guess I do.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
Well, he's just having breakfast breakfast, but if it's important,
I can call it.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh no, no, it's not important. I'll I'll come back again.
And who is it Catherine?
Speaker 9 (05:54):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (05:54):
Father, it's a gentleman to see you, to see me.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
How do you do too?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Won't you come in?
Speaker 9 (05:59):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Please do? Thank you, Alvin? What can I do for you?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I didn't mean to disturb your doctor, but I was told,
I mean well, I was told that maybe I could
get breakfast here.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh breakfast.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I haven't got any money to pay you for it,
but if you've got a couple of odd jobs around here,
I could do well.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Of course, my boy. Hey, Catherine, set another place at
the table, will you, I will, father, And if you'd
like to follow me, I'll show you where you.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Can wash up a little. No, but I don't want
to put you to any trouble. I mean, just a sandwich,
your something. I can eat it outside.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think it's always much nicer to sit down to
a table, don't you if you just come this way? Son?
I wonder if you'll forgive my rudeness, young man. But
I have my sermon to finish, and I must get
to it. If you just remain comfortable and finish your breakfast,
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my daughter here will keep you company.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Well, I think i'd better be going and leave all
those lovely huts.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh well, I could take them with me.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You stay right where you are, my boy, and I'll
see you later.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Goodbye, doctor.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Well some more syrup?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Oh please, yes, thank you.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Tell me, mister Carvio, what do you do I mean
when you're working?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, I started out to be a writer, a writer.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
What sort of things did you write?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
A lot of tripe Pollyanna stuff? H I used to
believe it too. What do you mean, oh?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Stuff like good fellowship, silver lining, it's always darkers just
before dawn.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's a long roll that has no turning.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Well, what do you mean you used to believe it?
Don't you now?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Nope? Why because it's not true.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
I think it is, so does my father.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Oh sue, being a minister or a man's got to
believe it so is he can preach it, and I
guess people want to hear it preach too, But that
doesn't make it true. Why not, Well, there's a lot
of things people want to hear about how perfect everything is,
that God has loved that, the beautiful sunshine everywhere. Well, well,
they don't believe that stuff. How can they? Maybe they
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used to think it was a long roll that doesn't turn,
but they get kind of hungry and tired waiting for
it too, and the silver lining hasn't shown up yet.
They don't want to hear about God is love and
faith and hope and all the rest. They want to
hear how they can do something for themselves, and it'd
be suckers for the first guy that came along too.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
They'd believe anything that might help them. Maybe, But you.
Speaker 8 (08:26):
Say the word of God wouldn't help them. Isn't that
what you mean? Mister Carple?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Look, Miss Homestead, there are two subjects that I don't
argue about, politics and religion.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe
all right, you prefer Well, it sort.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Of looks like I've done a pretty good job on
my breakfast, doesn't it. And now maybe you could figure
out a few little chores I could do to pay you.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
I can't think of any chores, but I'll tell you
what you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Can do if you want anything at all.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Church with me this morning, Church, listen to my father's sermon.
Nobody will try to convert you. And I think that's
the least you could do to thank my father, to
listen to what he has to say rather a good speaker,
will you.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Well, that's what you want me to do, I guess
I can stand.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
It, thanks to car. And after church you can come
back and have lunch with him.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And in conclusion, may I leave you with these few
thoughts that carry with him so much hope and faith
and promise of the eternal future. They are indeed beatitudes
of strength. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst after righteousness,
or they shall be filled. Blessed are they who mourn,
or they shall be comforted. And blessed are they who
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are meek, or they shall inherit the earth. And in
these words of.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Everlasting truth and promise, seek ye the comfort of life
and of life beyond.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Ahmen, you please sit here, mister cavill. I'll have lunch
on in a moment. Of course, it won't be very thankful. Look,
I'm afraid I'm overdoing it just a little bit. Don't
(10:32):
you think I mean have to all breakfast?
Speaker 9 (10:35):
And well?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I think nothing of it, my boy. We enjoy having
a guest. We don't have very many, you know, so
we're really taking advantage of you, not you of us.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, it's very kind of you, sir er.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
How did you like my sermon this morning, mister carvill
Y sermon?
Speaker 8 (10:50):
I don't think mister carvill liked it very well?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Father, Oh why not?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, I didn't say that.
Speaker 8 (10:55):
Mister Cabble believes that sermon should be more practical. That's
faith and all too flimsy to help me. Well, isn't
that what you said?
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Carver?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yes, maybe it is why, my boy. Well, I guess
your sermon was all right this morning, Doctor Homestead. Things
that people want to hear, I mean people that only
come to church to sell their conscience, the ones that
don't need any help to begin with, don't they, mister Carvill. Well,
maybe spiritual help, I guess. But I'm talking about the
kind of sermon that would really help people.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Why how bad?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I could preach a sermon that wouldn't even leave standing room.
I'd tell them a few things, a few things that
might help right now, so they wouldn't have to wait
until they went into the next world. Things that might
begin to fill up that emptiness that people feel when
they're down and out, when they discouraged and everything's a mess.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, that's what I do if I were a minister.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
That sounds very interesting, my boy.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you could do it, of course I could do it.
I think I know what people want, I mean, really want.
We're having a meeting at the church Tuesday night. Supposing
you preach the sermon, mister Carvill priestless. Oh no, no,
I couldn't do that now. Besides, I want can be
here Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Have you someplace definite to go?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, no, not exactly, But.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Then why couldn't you stay until Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, I should like to hear that sermon, my boy.
Oh no, doctor, I.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
I think mister Carver was just talking father joking. I
don't think he meant what he said.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Of course I meant what I said.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
And why don't you prove it?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Do with?
Speaker 8 (12:18):
My father?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Asked, Well because I because?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Why?
Speaker 9 (12:21):
My boy?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I all right, all right, I will do it.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Maybe I was just talking to hear myself talk, but
I'd like to prove whether I'm right or not and
if I am.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That day Doctor hosted on Tuesday Night.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
When a man seeks for proof, it is obvious that
he walters and the dank undergrowth of doubt. But one
only arbitrarily tries to prove what he disbelieves, and the
constant search for that proof is the short sign of
a mind consciously or not, held in the shackles of
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an obsession.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
No moment return to our story.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
John Cargo nervously waiting.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
In the doctor's study.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
He's had his tattered, battered suit pressed by Kathy.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
He looks much fitter.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He wears also one of her father's white shirts several
sizes too large.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Why don't you sit down and relax, mister Carbo. You
wear yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Out this homestead. Yes, I don't think I can go
through with it.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Why.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's just that well, I thought I had something to say,
but I guess I have it. I can't think of
a thing you will. What makes you think I will?
I tell you I haven't got a thought in my mind.
It's funny too, because I was so sure before. I
was so certain now I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
But you must. After all, Father's told everyone that there'll
be a guest speaker. You can't let them down.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Look, it isn't a question of letting anybody down.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's a matter of me going out there and making
a first class fool out of myself.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I tell you I can't do it.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
You'll do it, mister Carvi.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
What makes you so sure?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Ready for you? Mister Carvill Will you come this way? Please?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
But I just got through telling Miss Homestead that he
was just got through.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
Telling me he was going to say father, and it
sounds wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I'm good for you, my boy.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You know this experiment of yours is proving to be
one of the most interesting things that's happened to us
in a long time. Now you follow me, please.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'll talk to Homestead. You'll be late.
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Now be listening, my dear people.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We have a visitor with us tonight, mister John Carver,
who first came to our house last Sunday morning, and
whose sense then has proved himself to be a very
good and valuable friend. Without knowing of his text, I
asked him to talk to you to night, and he
very kindly consented. And now, without me saying anything further,
may I introduce mister John Carver.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Thank you, and ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
The other day, when I told Doctor Homestead that I
had something to say, I guess I was wrong, because
what I have to say shouldn't be said here. The
reason that I said I had something to say is
that I well, I disagreed with Doctor Holmstead. I disagreed
with whoever it was that said blessed other meek, for
they shall inherit the earth. The meek have never inherited
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anything except tragedy and unhappiness in a kicking around the
strong who inherits the earth brute force. Take what you
can get, no matter how you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Have to take it. Blessed are they?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The make are blessed and blessed with everything and anything
that the strong doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Kicks aside.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
My father was meek and he was blessed. Ah, but
what does it matter?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You don't want to hear what I've got to say.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
A blasphemia is if I did say it, and you'd
smirk and sneer and say that I was doomed to
eternal fire and brimstone.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
All Right, I am, and I'm glad of it if
that's what it means not to be me.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't want the earth, you can have it.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I I got the package I had with me, Doctor Homestead,
I'd like to get it.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It's got a few things in it that Wait a minute, John,
he said, sit down for a moment, won't you? What's
for I'd like to talk to you.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I don't think there's much of anything to say, doctor Homestead,
except that I'm sorry that I embarrassed you.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You didn't embarrass me in the least. John. In fact,
i'm glad you said. But you did, John, what happened?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, you spoke of your father. You didn't finish what
you were going to say. Would you mind telling me?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
He wouldn't be interested, doctor Homestead, because it Yes, Well,
my father was a doctor. He was a very great
doctor and a very great man. They got himself mixed
up with a lot of cock eyed ideas. He went
for that blessed other meek stuff that's what happened to him.
What do you mean that's what happened to him? John, Look,
doctor Homestead. My father was a great man. I worshiped him.
(18:29):
I always wanted to be like him, just like him,
because he was tolerant, gentle and meek.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And do you know what that did to him and
to my mother?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, my father never refused to call, dead of night,
middle of the winter, howling blizzard, even for a toothache,
he'd go.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They never collected any money.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
People could tell him they didn't have it, and he'd
tear up the bill, or he'd say, pay me when
you get it. They never got it. But they bought
automobiles and radios and new clothes, but they never got
enough money to pay my father for saving their lives
or helping them when they needed it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But still he'd go out every call, night and day,
day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Even when he was sick, he'd go until finally had
killed him.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
One night he came to my mother and myself and
he apologized because he knew he was about to die.
He said he was sorry that he couldn't leave mother
and me anything except a bunch of worthless bills, and
those people, doctor Holmestead. Those people didn't even come to
his funeral, not even a card or a note saying
they were sorry. Sure my dad was me can he
inherited the earth six feet of it.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
See?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That's that's why I shut off my mouth every time
I think of it. I see red.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Red usually means a danger signal, doesn't it, John? And
the usual thing to do when you see red is
to stop. The green is the light.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
To go go on.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
John, your father was probably even much greater man than
you thought he was, and he inherited a great deal
more than you think he did. You what think about that?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
John?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know what I mean without me telling it to you.
If he were alive, I wonder what he would have
thought about that speech of yours the other night. You see, John,
your father lived and died for a principle, the principle
of mankind. He was meek, yes, but Christ was meek.
But it takes strength to be meek, enough strength to
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thresh the money changers, enough strength to live for what
he believed in. And it sometimes takes more strength to
live for what you believe in than it does to
die for it. That's all I had to say goodbye, John, goodbye.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Doctor.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
Cheer.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I thought she was never going to show John. I
waited and waited last night. I was going to catch
these down without Well I'm here now, sure, let's go on.
Let's get going on. There comes the right lin. Now
try for the set of cost Come.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
On, wait a minute, your guy, the art dick, Come.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
On, John start Rosco, Come on, John, go on, Marley,
I'm staying.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Let's go on.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, sucker, what did you stop for a boy? Why
didn't you grab the train with your buddy?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Never mind? Never mind? If I'm pinched, I'm pinched.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
I didn't figure on you stopping. I didn't shoot to
get you, but sort of make sure that you wouldn't
keep going. You know, we don't like tramps in this town.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Well I'm not going, and your shooting didn't change my
mind any either, except to make me wonder kind of
suddenly where it was I thought I was going, what
I was running away from?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm staying right here.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
If you don't mind, there's no place else to go. Well, well, what.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
A little while ago, I got a phone call with
a certain chap might try to op the eastbound about now.
Wish him luck if he made it if he didn't.
Doctor Holmestead lives at third and Igno You.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Yeah, Hello, John Cavell.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Hello.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
How long have you been sitting here in the church.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh, I don't know quite a while.
Speaker 8 (22:16):
I guess we've been waiting for you at the house.
We'd about giving up. Then the caretaker said you were
over here. It changed your mind about leaving. Yeah, I'm
glad about that, John. I guess Dad'll be pretty glad too.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He thinks a lot of you, Jessie, so do I.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
That's why I was hoping you'd come back. In fact,
that's why I called mister Perkins. Perkins, he's the detective
that takes care of the freight yards.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh, so you were the one who called him.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
But I didn't want you to come back if you
didn't want to. Really, I thought it might be that
you had some place to go, something to find.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I did, but I guess i'd already found it, Kathy,
at your house.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
Should we go there now?
Speaker 9 (23:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
It's a beautifully clear day, isn't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It, John, First day I've known in a long time.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Kathy, you understand that.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
I think i'd understand better if I knew why you
came back.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I don't know exactly why myself, Catherine, except well, well,
maybe I'm a sucker like my dad. Maybe I've gone
for the same things he went for. Blessed are they
good enough for him? Yes, I guess so. Yes, it
must have been. And I can't kick much because he
was happy. He was very happy. I haven't been at all.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
You can be.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I know that, Kathy, and I'm going to be from
now on. Thanks to your father and.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Mine, John, That's what I meant the day I talked
to you. Your father was like mine. That's why. Blessed
are they that are meek, So they shall inherit the earth,
and they shall be queathed to you. It's yours for
the taking.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
John, yours for the taking, Alice, for the taking too.
Isn't that so, Cathy?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yes, John, Yes, the meek shall inherit the earth. The
earth is for the taking. In the beginning, God created
the heavens and the earth, and created man in his
(24:28):
own image. Therefore, man can, by the very power of
this heritage, become godlike unless, and I say unless, the
dark Angel was passed out of Paradise shall speak his
silent and evil words and fill the mind with the
(24:51):
quick signs of obsession.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
He don't.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Obsession. Our story was produced and transcribed by C. P
McGregor in Hollywood, a
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
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