FIEND DROP: Satan's Bed and Breakfast

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The sound you hear is gentle rain. On the morning
after Halloween, this is the start of October.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Pod.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
If you are like me, you're probably up to your
eyeballs with treats left over from the last night in October.
We've got enough fun sized Snickers, candy corn, popcorn balls,
miniature Mister Goodbar's Smarties, sprees, Kittles, and dumb dums to
choke a horse. Of course, now's the perfect time to

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buy a fifty gallon drumful of unsold candy for pennies
on the dollar at any grocery store, drug store, and
big box store in the neighborhood. It is also a
great time to pick up boxes of monster cereals for cheap,
for the benefit of you non Americans in the audience,

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or just anyone who isn't a genexer. General Mills has
a seasonal line of monster cereals. They return from the
grave every Halloween season, though they used to be available
year round. The cereals are Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Booberry.
There's also the mostly defunct Fruit Brute and Yummy Mummy.

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Count Chocula is a chocolate cereal with marshmallows, and a
vampire mascot who sounds like Bela Lagosi. Frankenberry is a
Carloffian Frankenstein monster, and his cereal is strawberry with marshmallows.
Booberry is a little ghost with a pork pie hat
who sounds a lot like Peter Lorii, and his cereal

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is blueberry flavored with marshmallows. The flavors are revoltingly artificial,
and their colors are shockingly vibrant. I have it on
good authority that eating too much Frankenberry will turn your
poop bread. Many parents have sent their children to urgent care,
deeply concerned about blood red bowel movements, which thankfully were

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caused by Frankenberry and not internal bleeding. As you can
probably guess, I'm a big fan of these breakfast cereals.
I dislike chocolate cereals, so count Chocula is decidedly not
my jam. I enjoy Frankenberry and Blooberry equally, but what's
best is mixing these two together. General Mills has introduced

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as cereal called Monster mash Remix, later renamed Monster's Frightful Friends,
which is exactly that. The flavor is a mix of
boo and and Frankenberry's, though the colors dark blue and
witchy green cereal with orange, chocolate, brown and yellow marshmallows

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suggest a mix of all the monster Cereals flavors. Thankfully
it's not m I could go for a bowl right
now while I snack on some surely toxic breakfast cereal.
I've got a special treat for you, friend of the show.
Nicky Young, host of Cereal Napper podcast, has a particularly

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spooky case to share with you. So sit back with
your bowl of Count Chocula and listen to something spooky
with me. I'll be back at intermission times.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
The case featured in this episode has been researched using
police records, court documents, witness statements, and the news listener.
Discretion is advised. All parties mentioned are innocent until proven guilty.
In all opinions are my own. Hey everyone, my name

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is Nikki Young and this is Serial Napper, the true
crime podcast for naps. I'm back with another true crime
story to lull you to sleep, or perhaps to give
you nightmares. Have you ever seen the two thousand and
five supernatural horror movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose well, tonight,
I'm talking about the true story that inspired the hit flick.

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Anna Eli's Michelle was a deeply religious young lady from
Clinging Bird, Bavaria, who had suffered from epilepsy and mental
health issues for several years. Despite undergoing multiple medical treatments,
her condition worsened, leading her family and two local priests
to believe that she was possessed. To rid her body

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and soul of the demonic entity, seventy exorcism rituals were
conducted in secret at her home. Though she was a
physically sick young lady, her medical treatments were completely stopped
as her family and the priests focused on the exorcism rights.
These sessions took place in her bedroom and they were

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intended to rid her of demonic possession. However, Analise's health
it severely deteriorated, and she ultimately succumbed to maltrician and dehydration,
weighing just sixty eight pounds at the time of her death.
The case of Annalise Michele drew significant attention, especially in Bavaria,

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a predominantly Catholic region. The state prosecutor argued that her
death could have been prevented if medical intervention had been sought,
even if only in the final week of her life.
Her parents and the priests they were charged with a
negligent homicide for failing to call a doctor despite her
worsening condition during the exorcism rituals. But some still believe

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that Annalise died from possession, not neglect. So dim the lights,
put your phone down and listen to the story and
real audio recorded tapes from Annalise's exorcism before you decide
what you think really happened. So let's jump right in.
Annalise Michelle was born into a deeply devoted Catholic family

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in Bavaria, located in southern Germany. Before we talk about
her early life or her family, I think it's important
to talk about the culture of where she lived. Around
two thirds of the population in Bavaria identify as Christian,
with the vast majority of them being Catholic, and that
is significant. The practice of exorcisms began around the sixteenth century,

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and they were much more common many centuries ago. The
events that were talking about tonight happened in the seventies,
and by this time exorcisms were incredibly rare of course,
there was a ton of interest in them due to
the movie The Exorcists being released around that time, but
Catholic priests were not out there performing this ritual on

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the regular still. According to an article published in The
Washington Post, there was a survey conducted in nineteen seventy
four by the Freiburg Institute for Borderline Psychology which concluded
that sixty three percent of practicing Catholics in Germany at
the time said that they believed in the devil and
his ability to show his existence here on earth as well.

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In nineteen seventy six, the German Press Agency surveyed bishops
from twenty two Catholic churches to find out whether or
not exorcism was still a commonly accepted practice. Three of
those bishops said yes, and all three of them were
from Bavaria, where Annalise hailed from. Her family, in particular,
was devoutly Catholic. Before she was born, Annalisa's father, Joseph,

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had considered training to become a priest. It was a
family affair. Three of her aunts were already practicing nuns.
Her mother, Anna, had experienced her own spiritual crisis at
an early age, which made her commit herself fully to
religion in order to save her soul. It's said that
in nineteen forty eight, an unwed Anna birthday child named Martha,

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which brought great shame to her family, so much so
that when Anna married Joseph, she was forced to wear
a black wedding veil rather than the traditional white one,
signaling to everyone that she was not pure. The idea
that an innocent child would grow up believing that the
product of sin is heartbreaking. What's even more tragic is

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how little Martha died when she was only eight years
old due to complications from an operation where doctors attempted
to remove a kidney tumor. In her short life, she
would have been shamed for being born out of wedlock,
but if she had the chance to grow up, she
wouldn't have stood a chance with the parents that she
was given. When Annalise was born in nineteen fifty two,

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it was grilled into her brain from an early age
that she was to devote herself to God, to remain chaste,
and to atone for the sins of her family. They
attended church twice a week every week and made Catholicism
at the center of pretty much everything that they did.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
For this reason.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
When she grew into a teenager, Annalise was not like
the other girls her age. She didn't spend time on
her looks, wearing makeup. She didn't drink, smoke, or attend parties. Instead,
she prayed for the poor and sick. It said that
she spent many nights sleeping on her cold, bare floor
to atone for the sins of the drug users she

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had seen sleeping at the train station. Her mother would
say that she was deeply sensitive and obedient. When she
was sixteen years old, Annalise started to have some alarming
health issues. What began as a normal day at school
ended with her completely blacking out and walking around in
a trance like daze. When she finally snapped out of it,

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she had no recollection of what had just happened. It
was believed to be the first of several seizures that
she would experience. Later that evening, when she went to bed,
she reported suddenly waking up because she felt like she
couldn't breathe, she couldn't move or speak, and it felt
like something was pushing down on her holding her down.

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She also wet herself. It was a terrifying experience that
Annalise tried to initially brush off, but it wasn't long
before it happened again. This time, she went to go
see a doctor, a neurologist named doctor Siegfried. She had
an EEG scan done, which is a test that detects
abnormalities in your brain waves, and everything came back looking normal.

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After being evaluated and reviewing her symptoms, the doctor believed
that she may have been suffering from nocturnal cerebral seizures.
According to the Epilepsy Foundation quote, the seizures can look
like a simple arousal from sleep, at times confused as
a nightmare or night terror. They can also be more

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involved movements like twisting, turning, pelvic thrusting, pedaling, grimacing, wandering, startling,
and vocalizations like screaming, moaning, or crying. The doctor also
believed that she was experiencing grand mal seizures, known today
as tonic clonic seizures. According to the Mayo Clinic quote,

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tonic clonic seizures have two stages. In the tonic phase,
a loss of consciousness occurs. The muscles suddenly contract and
cause the person to fall down. This phase tends to
last about ten to twenty seconds. In the chronic phase,
the muscles go into rhythmic contractions. They alternately flex and relax.

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Convulsions usually last one to two minutes or less. Symptoms
can include smelling a particular smell, experiencing vertico, having confusion,
bad headaches, a loss of bladder control, and screaming. These
are all of the things that Anales would experience over
the next few months, and people were taking notice she

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was displaying some very odd behavior that just couldn't be ignored.
Sometimes she'd be found in a trance like state with
her hands outstretched in a claw position, just stuck that way,
and her eyes would dilate to the point of being
almost completely black. Imagine finding someone in this state, it
would be so scary. One time, she recalled a sudden

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smelling of a sweet scent, something that smelled like violets
while she was knelt down praying, and then she had
an overwhelming sense of euphoria, an experience that she actually
attributed to having a strong connection to God. One of
the scariest symptoms Annalise experienced was that she began seeing
grimacing faces. She thought that she was seeing the devil himself.

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She also began hearing whispering voices telling her that she
was damned because many of these symptoms presented themselves while
she was praying. She believed these voices to be true.
Annalist fell into a deep depression, so severe that at
times she contemplated suicide, which would have been completely against

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her religious beliefs. As part of her treatment, she was
given anti convulsion medication and she was referred to speak
to psychiatrist, where she talked at lengths about how she
felt that her will was no longer her own. Yet
her condition continued to worsen when she seemed to become
intolerant to being around or touching Christian symbols like a crucifix.

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She and her family began to believe that she may
be possessed by a demon. They begged the clergy at
their local church to help rid Annalise of her demonic possession,
but the church refused, instead insisting that she should continue
to seek medical attention. It was probably attributed to her epilepsy.

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The situation peaked when she began to rip her clothing off,
crawl around on all fours, barking like a dog, and
eating spiders from the floor of her home. It's reported
that she went as far as to bite the head
off of a dead bird that she had found, and
after urinating on the floor, she began to lick it up.

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Her mother, Anna was dea sper to get help for
her daughter, and after being rejected by priest after priest,
she finally found someone who agreed to help. His name
was father ernst Alt, and he fully believed that Annals
was experiencing a demonic possession. Because her medical treatments didn't
appear to be working, he dismissed the idea that she

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had epilepsy. Instead, he petitioned Bishop Joseph Stangel for permission
to perform an exorcism, which he granted. Two local priests,
ernst Alt and Arnold Rens, were given permission to move
forward with the exorcism under one condition, it must be
performed in absolute secrecy. Even in the seventies, and even

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in the deeply religious region of Bavaria, the validity of
exorcism was highly controversial. Remember the movie The Exorcist. It
was released in nineteen seventy three, so this was very
much a hot topic at the time. To avoid any
unwanted attention, the ritual must be kept hidden from the public.

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That's what the bishop wanted. All of Annalise's medical treatment
was halted. The very first exorcism performed on her in
the privacy of her family home, happened on September twenty fourth,
nineteen seventy five. Over the course of the next ten months,
Annalise would be subjected to around seventy exorcisms, each lasting

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up to four hours. Forty two of these sessions were
recorded on tape, which captured Annalise speaking in other voices,
voices that are alleged to belong to as many as
six different demons, including Lucifer Cain and even Adolph Hitler himself.
I'm going to play a clip for you now from
one of these sessions. A pre warning, it's pretty disturbing,

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so if you need to skip ahead, I completely understand.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Love now. Yeah, that tribe loved yeas on it shot.

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Don't shuny.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
C to my sauses, C to my sauss has.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Yeah, that is gone the dogland, I ad there's an altern.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Just trifikidches.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So that was.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Well.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
The first time I listen to this haunting clip, I
had goosebumps all over my arms. It's chilling. Some of
you listening might hear a woman clearly possessed by a
dark entity, maybe a demon, while others will believe that
they're listening to the voice of a very sick young woman.
You can make your own determination. On the tapes, Annalise

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can be heard screaming obscenities or making growling noises, all
while she's being held down by her mother and father,
or chained to her bed or a chair. When Annalise
claims to be possessed by Hitler, she says, with an
authentic Austrian accent, that quote people are stupid as pigs.
They think it's all over after death.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
It goes on.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
When she speaks for herself, she tells the priests that
she needs to die to atone for the sins of
seventies youths. The weeks turned into months, and Annalisa's health
continued to deteriorate. While two priests struggled to rid her
of her demons. She stopped eating food and drinking water.

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In photos that were taken of her, she appears frail, bruised, battered,
and truthfully, she almost looked like she's a rotting corpse.
It's awful that these sessions continued for nearly a year
and no one stepped in, not even her mother or father.
Nobody put a stop to what was happening to seek

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medical attention for Annalise. It's very clear that she was
suffering and she was painfully close to death. One of
her last sentences spoken would be quote, mother, I'm afraid. Eventually,
on July first, nineteen seventy six, at just twenty three
years old, her body just gave up the fight and

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she passed away. At the time she died, she weighed
just sixty eight pounds, so it's no surprise that when
and an autopsy was conducted, it reported that she had
died due to malnutrition and dehydration. These exorcisms had been
happening for almost a year, and Analise was starving herself
the majority of that time. Because of the horrific condition

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her body was in. When she passed away, a police
investigation was launched in order to determine if anything criminal
had happened. Then it was learned that if Analise had
been given medical attention just one week before she passed,
she may have actually survived. Her death was completely preventable,

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so her parents, and the two priests who performed the
secret of exorcism. They were arrested and charged with negligent homicide.
If any of these four individuals had called a doctor,
Analise could have been saved. The parents were defended by
one of Germany's top lawyers, who was notorious for defending

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Nazi war criminals, while the two priests they were defended
by church paid lawyers. Their defense was that not only
is exorcism totally legal in Germany, but that the country's
constitution it protects citizens' rights to exercise their religious beliefs.
During the trial, the recordings of Annalise speaking in different

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tongues was played for the courts. The defendants believed that
these recordings could save them from a conviction because it
showed proof that the young lady was in fact possessed
by demons. When both of the priests took the stand,
they remained steadfast in their belief that she was possessed
and that her death it actually freed her soul from

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the demons. So I guess it had worked. Annalisee's parents
also testified that they too believed that their daughter was possessed. However,
they didn't think that her soul was freed at all.
After a nun informed them of a vision that she
had about their daughter that because her buried body was
completely intact, not rotting, this was a sign that she

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was still being possessed, so they had her body exhumed.
They wanted to be sure. The exhumation confirmed that her
body had decomposed as normal. Nothing out of the ordinary
was going on. Both Annalisa's mother and father, Joseph and Anna.
They sat quietly in the courtroom when listening to the
authorities and medical professionals testify. The only time that Anna

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could be audibly heard in the court was when she groaned,
oh dear God, when a doctor testified why he believed
her behavior was actually as a result of epilepsy, not
demonic possession. So clearly they were doubling down on their actions,
believing that they were justified. Even if convicted, the priests

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weren't expected to serve any jail time. If anything, a
guilty church would be a warning to the church and
the priests they would receive a monetary fine. Annalisa's parents
would also not receive any jail time because, according to
the German courts, they had already suffered enough, which I'm
not really sure how I feel about that. If you

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were to take religion out of the equation, the medical
neglect alone, it's typically enough to send someone to jail.
It's tragic how they lost their daughter, but let's be real,
they weren't bystanders in the situation either way. People were
worried that if all parties were found not guilty, it
could open the floodgates to more exorcisms being performed. This

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trial was one that was reported on and watched closely
by people all around the world. Ultimately, the priests were
found guilty, and they were surprisingly sentenced to six months
jail time and three years of probation, but of course
they never served a single day in jail. Many people
believed that the courts were actually protecting the church and

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siding with them, even over all of the medical professionals
who testified against them. It's been almost fifty years since
Annalise Michele died in secrecy in her home in a
little town in Bavaria. Her father and the two priests
who tried to rid her of her demons, they've all
since passed away. I couldn't find any updated information about

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her mother Anna, but as of two thousand and five,
she was still living in the home where her daughter died.
If she is still alive, she would be over one
hundred years old. Ann Elise was buried in a graveyard
just behind their home, in view from Anna's window. Though
she continued to talk about how much she missed her

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daughter dearly, she also said that she never regretted what
she did until her very last days. She's believed that
the exorcism was justified.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
In an article.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Posted by the Telegraph, she was quoted as saying, I
know that we did the right thing because I saw
the sign of Christ in her hands. She was burying stigmata,
and that was a sign for from God that we
should exercise the demons. She died to save other lost
souls to atone for their sins. Much of the people

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who still live in the town would disagree with that.
There is a sense of deep shame over what has
happened there behind the walls of that home, without anyone
knowing until it was too late. The church carries some
of that shame too. In nineteen eighty four, a group
of bishops from Germany made recommendations to the Vatican for

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some changes to the Exorcism Right. Their petition was of
course denied and no changes were made at that time. However,
in nineteen ninety nine they did update the Exorcism Right
for the very first time since the seventeenth century. They
added in a requirement priests who were to become qualified

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in the exorcism ritual must first undergo medical training, which
makes absolute sense and I guess is progress. Since then,
Analysa's story has been used as the basis for the
Hollywood hit horror movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose. A
lot of people enjoyed this film, myself included, and if
you're looking for a really good flick to watch in Halloween,

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I highly recommend it. But of course there has been
some criticism as well. Some people were concerned that this
movie might fuel more interest and actually drive the demand
for exorcisms, and actually it's important to remember that though
the movie is loosely based on the truth and is
a fictionalized story, exorcisms are very much a real ritual

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performed still to this day. According to an article by
the Washington Post, as of two thousand and five, quote
there are about seventy practicing exorcists in France and just
as many employed in Italy. In July two thousand and five,
a congress in Poland was reportedly attended by three hundred
and fifty practicing exorcists. Annalise Michelle's exorcism happened in private,

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away from prying eyes, behind the walls of her home.
How many others have been performed and continued to be
performed under this veil of secrecy. The answer might just
be the real horror story here.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Monsters do have their place in the zoo, in your nightmares,
in the deep, in your favorite horror movies, but not
on your phone during an ad break. Politically motivated interests
are seeking to influence you through the ads placed on
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that we have very limited control over the ads you
hear on October Pod. Please remember that only the ads
and promos I read with my own voice carry the
endorsement of Edward October and October Pod. Furthermore, I and
the makers of October Pod repudiate any entity advertised which

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seeks to promote hatred, anti American or anti democratic sentiments
or the spread of misinformation. Now, with that in mind,
October Pod will return after this brief ad break. It's

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intermission time, folks, Welcome back. I'm your host, mister Edward October.
You know, if they ever gave me the keys to
the Monster Cereals Kingdom, here's what I'd do First. I'd
take fruity Yummy Mummy, seldom seen mummy themed orange and
cream flavored cereal and rebranded. The term yummy Mummy has

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taken on a new meaning in some parts of the world,
you know, kind of synonymous with milf. I say, rebrand
this cereal as honey Mummy. Make the Mummy a monster
mom wrapped in yellow tinted bandages. Change the cereal from
orange and cream to honey nut. Change the cereal to

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golden honey frosted ghosts. Give the marshmallows a nutty flavor.
Another cereal I'd add to the line would be cinnamonster,
a cinnamon bun flavored cereal with cinnamon sugar crunchy ghosts
that taste eerily like cinnamon toast crunch and buttery brown
sugar marshmallows. Put it together and it tastes like a cinnabun.

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The mascot for this cereal could be a big, hairy
monster like the one you sometimes see in the Bugs
Buddy cartoons. Many fans lament the lack of a creature
from the Black Lagoon or gill Man themed monster cereal.
I I think there's two reasons why. Firstly, the gill

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Man is a proprietary design owned by Universal Pictures. Dracula
and Frankenstein are both in the public domain, but I'm
sure Universal's lawyers would start making noise over a creature cereal. Secondly,
I'd bet the powers that be over at General Mills
don't think people would want to be reminded of fish

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and seafood when eating a bowlful of sugary vitamin fortified
Technic Color Breakfast cereal. That's not to say the monster
cereal family hasn't been growing. The latest addition to the
pantheon of monster cereals is Carmela Creeper. This cereal monster
is Frankenberry's long lost cousin, a goth zombie DJ who

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enjoys throwing house parties haunted house parties. Her cereal is
caramel apple flavored. The cereals trash and so synthetic that
it makes Rankinberry tastes like organic muse lely by comparison.
While caramel apple sounds perfect for the Halloween season, it's

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not quite what you'd expect. The taste is very apple forward,
and the fruity notes are kind of sharp and crisp,
not like an apple pie apple. It strikes me more
like a fresh red apple, and the caramel notes are
an aftertaste that sit on the back of your throat.

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It's weird. I think a lot of the initial fan
reaction to Carmela Creeper the character was a negative. A
comparison to the Simpsons character pooci could be made. She's
a goth and a zombie and a dj I'm sure
there's a certain segment of terminally online fanbrose who also

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disapprove of her being female. As a fan of classic
monsters and retro horror, I was put off by her newness.
Unlike all the other monster cereals, which can trace their
designs back to one of the famous monsters of film Land,
Carmela Creeper is her own thing. Apart from some spiritual

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nods to Bride of Frankenstein. Initially, she left a bad
taste in my mouth in every sense of the word.
But then I thought about a comment from one of
my mutuals on Twitter at We're Wolfery, who sometimes laments
that the twenty first century has no pop culture of
its own, that everything is based upon ip from the sixties, seventies,

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and eighties. Perhaps my initial distaste for Carmela Creeper is
rooted in my own nostalgia. How can my beloved monster
cereals appeal to future generations if they are stubbornly rooted
in boomer and Gen X era pop culture. When I
scroll through my social media time lines, I see zombies,

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I see goths, and I see girls and women who
enjoy mu music and horror. And I realize that General
Mills has held a mirror up to contemporary horror fandom
and monster kiddom. And the image reflected back at us
is Carmela Creeper, a monster remix of the old Bride
of Frankenstein and the new goth culture popular music that

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the kids listen to these days, Struggling to survive in
a cultural zeitgeist ruled over by the dusty relics of
past generations. Who mourns for Carmela Creeper when the fandom
she so desperately seeks to embrace rejects her, like the
ignorant villagers who shunned and hunted the Frankenstein Monster because

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they feared that which they were unable to understand. Who
mourns for Carmela Creeper when the stores start shoveling Halloween
products into the dumpster on October fifth so that they
can flood their shelves with a glut of worthless Christmas
shit that we won't be fully rid of until February.

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Who mourns were Carmela Creeper?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Who?

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Who?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah? That cereals still nasty as fuck, though, Say, there's
a little milk left in my bowls, So I'm going
to top it off with some booberries while we listen
to something extra spooky from Autumn of Autumn's Oddities. I'll
be back in two weeks with October POD's frightful Friends

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giving feast. Until then, stays spooky as a me.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Hey, hey, welcome back to Autumn's at Easa. I'm Autumn.
From the outside, the Victorian House at three four zero
six Brownsville Road in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania looks like any other
in the neighborhood, but inside it was once a living hill.
This is according to Bob Cranmer, who lived in the
home with his wife, Lisa, and four children for eighteen years.

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He recounts the horrifying events his family experienced in the
demon of Brownsville Road. In it, Cranmer wrote, from the
first Lisa and I always had the feeling that we
were not alone in that house, that we were being
watched by someone or something. I can remember the sensation
so clearly. We felt surrounded by the past, as if

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we were almost living in it, that we were only
temporary visitors, tolerated for the time being, who would eventually
be expelled. Bob Cranmer, a well known local politician from
the suburb of Pittsburgh called at Wood in Pennsylvania, had
been fascinated with the house at three four zero six
Brownsville Road for as long as he could remember. As

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a kid, he'd passed the property on his way to
a friend's house, and he'd always stopped to look at
the home. Its stately, wrap around porch and beautiful, expansive
windows gave the impression of success to Bob. Living in
that house would mean that he'd made something of himself,
so when he learned that it was up for sale
in nineteen eighty eight, he decided to buy it. On

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Halloween Night, twenty nineteen, Cranmer told his story to an
audience at the Bridgeville Areas Historical Society as a guest speaker.
Cranmer had written a horror novel, and most of the
audience thought, you know, it was a fictional novel and
it was set in the berry town that the historical
Society was located in. The author stepped on to the

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stage and set on a stool facing the crowd. He
prefaced his talk by explaining why he wrote his book
about what his family had experienced when they lived on
Brownsville Road. The horror novel, as it turned out, was
his story. What he says is a true story. But
what the audience didn't expect the author to say is
that what happened to him proves, according to Bob, without

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a shadow of a doubt, that God and Satan exist,
Heaven and Hell heaven in hale. Contrary, Heaven and Hell
are real, and angels and demons can either save or
destroy us. Cranmer very proudly told everyone that his book
bore witness to the presence and power of evil in

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the twenty first century. I let you be the judge
of that. The author, Bob began to speak about the
events in his book. What everyone thought would be a typical,
you know, old haunted house story type of horror novels
suddenly turned into something darker and more sinister. Bob recounted
his experience with the demon of Brownsville Road. According to Bob,

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his family bought the home from John McHenry and his wife,
which an alias was used in the novel, and moved
in on December twelfth, nineteen eighty eight. And I checked
the website realatrue dot com. I verified the last state
of sale, knowing that Bob Cranmer is indeed still the
current owner. We'll get back to that, and it was
listed as twelve thirteen, nineteen eighty eight. So so far

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telling the truth. Strange occurrences began even before the family
moved in. While conducting a walkthrough of the house soon
after their offer was accepted, Bob found his young son,
Bobby Junior, crying and hyperventilating by a staircase, terrified by
something that they could not see. And right then, for me,

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it would probably be a get the fuck out of
the house moment, Like if your kid is hyperventilaving and
crying and says they see something, you don't just get out,
Just get out. Lisa also expressed that the house gave
her the creeps. Nevertheless, in true white people by a
haunted house fashion, the Cranmer family moved into the home,

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the family began to experience strange happenings in the home
almost right away, as is included with the purchase of
any haunted house. The Cranmer's experienced lights turning on and
off by themselves, and they would hear footsteps and, according
to them, unsettling sounds. I don't know what that is,
maybe just the sound of a man talking at you loudly,

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like explaining everything to you. Bob also stated that for
years we would experience things like all of the lights
being turned on in the basement when we got up
in the morning, and when we went downstairs to check
the wood burner. Occasionally the radio would be turned on
and playing in my workshop area. The children would tell
us what they heard, and they would hear walking and

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knocking outside of their bedroom doors in the hallway. I
have experienced that so that one's believable for me, and
that it would wake them up in the middle of
the night. Whatever was in the house allegedly would appear
as a black fog or would become a strange and
very pungent odor. Bob mentioned finding bent crucifixes and destroyed

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rosaries in the home and around the property. Cramber wrote
in his book that when these events occurred, he and
his family were a quote, not Catholic at the time,
but he had apparently been raised Catholic, and it wasn't
mentioned in his book if the family was the one
to put up those crucifixes or if they were there

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when they moved into the home. According to Bob, although
again he was not religious at the time, he welcomed
a priest into the home to bless it at the
suggestion of his mother, who you know, he'd recounted all
of these strange happenings to. They began to look at
their situation not as a ghost haunting, but as a
demonic possession. And he's going to explain why. I'm going

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to read his quote as to his reasoning. I'm just
not sure if like the Catholic in him jumps immediately
to demonic possession. But in my cases with like in
my studies of the Warrens and other demonologists and exorcists,
it's it's usually Catholic families that call them. So I

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kind of think it's one of those confirmation biased kind
of things. You already have this idea in your head
from your upbringing and your religion. And I'm not saying
all Catholic people think they're possessed. My husband was raised Catholic.
I don't think he thinks he's possessed. No, you just
can't be sure though, you know, you never know if
somebody's posessed or not. And I'm just kidding. I don't
think he's possessed. So here's what Bob said. He said,

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a ghost, if you believe in them, is generally the
soul of a person who passed on in some tragic
event or something. In his eloquent expert opinion, a demon
is the opposite of an angel. Huh okay, it's pretty simple.
The existence of this thing manifested itself in a much
different way than a ghost would. A ghost is generally

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reliving some type of event that took place during a life.
Sometimes they can interact with people that are alive. In
our case, this was a demonic, evil, malicious, malevolent spirit
that interacted with us on a regular basis, and it
wanted to hurt us. It wanted to drive us out
of the house. There was no pretense of it being

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some kind of a lost soul, and I've never heard
and again, maybe this is a Catholic belief. I know that,
you know, Catholic people believe in purgatory and things like that.
Maybe to them, like being a ghost on the earth
is reliving over and over some traumatic event or some
event that you wish you could change. I have never

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heard anyone who is a paranormal expert or studies the
paranormal say that all ghosts, you know, are humans. And
I do believe that they are, but that they're humans
and that they're just repeating an event over and over,
I have not heard of that. So the Catholic Mass
of communion is apparently never done outside of a church,

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but if it does happen, it's under exceptional circumstances. In
the Demon of Brownsville Road, Bob wrote that he just
quote figured they were Irish Catholics and it must be
some type of Irish tradition. So when he brought the
fa or when he brought yeah, the Catholic priest to
bless the house with holy water. The sinister force allegedly
responded by covering the walls with blood. And there are

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some pictures of this alleged blood being thrown about all
over the room and running down the walls. They're not great,
you know, they never are. So here's what he wrote
in his book. Some of the areas where the blood
was dripping from were so far up over nine feet
that a person would have had to use a ladder
to get there. Well, that ain't true. You could just

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take a paint brush and fling it upward. Yeah, that's
what bloodspetter is. Another interesting aspect was that it was
only on the walls and not on the ceilings, so
that I were thrown up there, it would have been
impossible to miss hitting the ceilings. That's really not true,
but okay, you could do it at a downward angle.
He said. It looked as if the walls were bleeding.

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Bob said the priest blessed every room in the house
except for one. Bobby Junior, who was three years old
at the time, refused to let the priest into his
little blue plaid wallpapered room, so they skipped the room
because the adults thought, you know, he was just having
a tantrum like kids sometimes do. And Cranmer noted that

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for a year Bobby refused to sleep in his bed
at night, that he would go into his walk in closet,
turn on the light, and sleep on the floor, and
when asked why Bobby wanted to sleep in the closet,
he said his room was scary. Mister Cranmer alleges in
The Demon of Brownsville Road that while gardening, he discovered
a metal box buried in the yard that had rosary

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beads and religious medals. Upon making the discovery, Cranmer called
the old owners of the house to ask if they
knew about the box. According to the book, they quote
told me very forcefully to just put it back exactly
where I found it. Refusing to elaborate further on the matter,
the Cranmers decided to look more into the history of

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the house and they discovered that it was the site
of a massacre during the Northwest Indian War in seventeen
ninety two, a mother and her three young children were
killed by Native Americans in the vicinity of Fort Pitt.
The Demon of Brownsville Road claims that the murder happened
in the front yard, and the three victims were buried there,

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and that of course somehow brought a demonic foe into
their home. I'm not getting hell, but okay, and I'm
going to address all of the historical accuracies and inaccuracies,
because I was able to find quite a bit of
an information from historical records, from census records, and from

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previous owners who have given interviews who dispute very heavily
what he says. So the book The Devil of Brownsville
Road continues. There are claims that a Catholic mystic had
visions about the home, and there was not one murder
on the land, but there were many inside the home.

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The book claims, I think I said the Devil of
Brownsville Road. It's the Demon of Brownsville Road. The book
claims that the mystics spoke of a pediatrician by the
name of doctor m in the book who performed illegal
abortions in the home in the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties.
I'm going to get to him later. Much more on him.
Most people would pack up and just run screaming if

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they thought their home was haunted, but that did not happen.
For whatever reason, Bob Cranmer and his family never moved
out and continued to live there for eighteen more years.
Bob wrote in his book that the demon was changing
and affecting the minds of his family. According to the book,
his wife Lisa, and two of his four children experienced

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serious mental health issues and were hospitalized. In two thousand
and three, Bob Cranmer was arrested for assault after he
claimed that Bobby attacked him without provocation. The following day,
an elderly aunt, who also lived in the home, was
discovered dead in her bed of natural causes. And I
need to do a quick sidebar here about Bobby Junior.

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It's been said by other members of the Cranmer family.
I'm not making this up. This is according to them,
that Bobby Junior had schizophrenia for many years, and what
happened in two thousand and three between Bobby and his father,
I don't think should be seen as a moment of
demonic possession, as the book implies, but rather a moment
where Bobby may have been experiencing a schizophrenic episode, which

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can include visual and auditory hallucinations. The book suggests that
the family members became mentally ill and had to be
hospitalized because of the demon and that's pretty harmful. Being
mentally ill is not caused by the supernatural. It isn't
It's a medical and neurological condition. And a harmful assumption

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is that someone experiencing mental illness or a nervous break
is possessed and that exorcism is the only way to
fix them. And we've seen a lot of cases. I'm
researching one right now, you know, old timey cases before
mental health was studied, psychiatry, any of it was studied
at all. And you know, if anybody had anything wrong

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with them neurologically, they and you know their parent was
maybe religious, they're like, oh, they're afflicted by a demon
or a changeling or whatever, and then they're exercised and killed.
How many times do you think that happened? I think
probably a lot. How many cases of demonic possession are
real or like actually a demon or something else, like

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a traveler possessing the body of a human being, and
how many are just mental illness, undiagnosed mental illness, I
think probably more leaning toward the science into things. That's
where I'm going with it any way. So I mean,
if the affected individual is having an episode or experiencing

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a mental break or drug induced psychosis, or it's threatening
suicide or violence, you know they're becoming a risk to
themselves or others. Really the only thing to do is
to seek emergency medical treatment. That's the safest and the
most appropriate response to help the affected individual. And I
think we now realize just how many cases of alleged
demonic possession we're really just people with neurological conditions. It's very,

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very dangerous to say, oh, my son is acting out,
or my daughter is acting out, or whoever is acting out,
they must be possessed by a demon. Go to a
doctor first and see if you can rule everything else out.
And if you can't rule or I'm sorry, if you
rule everything out and you know there's still under some
sort of spell or acting completely out of character, or

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walking backwards up a wall, or maybe their headspins around
three hundred and sixty degrees and they vomit green pea soup,
then maybe you get the church involved. But not until
you've exhausted like every other option. So not long after
those incidents, Bob had enough and he sought help from
the Catholic Church. And again, the family was not Catholic.

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Bob was raised Catholic, but thanks to Bob's political career,
he was tight with the mayor of Pittsburgh, who went
to the Bishop of Pittsburgh to get help from the diocese.
The bishop did what the mayor asked and a priest
came to exercise the house. So they first had the
house blessed. Then you know, Bob still claiming everyone in

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my family is mentally ill because of a dem So
they decided to exercise the home and according to Cranmer
in his book The Demon of Brownsville Road, spiritual warfare
lasted for two years and in two thousand and six,
the house was cleansed and released from its demonic possession. Bob, Cranmer,

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and other family members, relieved at their salvation, converted to Catholicism,
and now Bob spends his time sharing the story of
the Demon of Brownsville Road and how it proves the
existence of God, Heaven, Satan, angels, demons, and all the
other paraphernalia of the Catholic Church. Today, you and your
family can book a room at the house on thirty

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four zero six Brownsville Road, which Bob and his oldest
son have turned into a charming bred Bred and Breakfast,
a bed and breakfast. I looked at their website. It
actually looks really nice. It's got a lot of five
star reviews. Okay, what do we think about all this?

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We already got through the case. It was quick. I
got a lot to cover still, but I wanted you
just to hear you know what Bob had to say.
It's mostly Bob. You know, he wrote the book. He's
the one that's convinced there's a demon in their home.
I'm really not sure how three people being killed and
buried allegedly on your property equates to demonic possession in

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your home by his own logic. Wouldn't it just be
three human spirits reliving the same thing over and over
and they're not harmful in any way. I'm not understanding
how he got from like A to B I'm really
not and I don't have an explanation for what Bob
Cranmer alleges that he and his family witnessed in their home,

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as most of what was recounted in the book is
based on subjective experience without really any corroboration whatsoever. Since
the exorcism of the home in two thousand and six,
Cranmer says the house is entirely safe and free of
any demonic possession. So I doubt that any kind of
investigation at this time would be informative. You know, it's

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been converted into a bed and breakfast, and Crammer says
he doesn't want people in there doing investigations, And I'm like, why,
because somebody's going to prove that nothing happened in there.
There are several claims that Cranmer makes in his book
that he provides photographic evidence in support of, as well
as some verifiable historic claims, both of which I was

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able to find some good information on and maybe we
can shed some light on it. So Cranmer claimed to
have spoken to a woman named Barbara Paisley, whose parents,
Walter and Margaret Wagner, owned the home from nineteen forty
one to nineteen seventy nine. In the book, Cranmer claims
that he asked missus Paisley if she or her family

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ever experienced and ever experienced anything spiritual in the house,
and he alleges that she replied, oh yes many times. However,
according to Barbara Paisley's daughter Karen Dwyer, other than squirrels
in the walls, I never experienced anything there. My mother
never said anything about the house being haunted. My grandmother

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never said anything about the house being haunted, and my
grandfather never said anything about the house being haunted. If
he wants to go and write it from nineteen eighty
eight and go forward, do it. I don't care. But
if you want to lie about other people and things
that happened before that, well no, that's not right. Whoof
that is a scathing review. Cranmer also alleged that Barbara

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Paisley told him about their dog, who quote seemed to
be able to sense the presence of a spirit and
would go from room to room looking for it. Curiously,
Karen Dwyer said, of this, that's interesting because we never
had a dog, and my parents didn't like to have pets.
So the BacT checking here is going ahead and debunked

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a lot. And you know how I mentioned that Catholic
mystic so with the help of a priest named Father
Ron Linguin and a Catholic intuitive or psychic named Connie Valenti.
Cranmer claims to have discovered a dark history that explains
the demonic activity within his home. So first, according to

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miss Valenti, the home was the site of an attack
by angry Native Americans. And here's what she said. She saw,
I see the spirits. I see one man, in particular,
with a big knife. There was a massacre of the
mother and her three children by Native Americans who were
angry at their land being invaded by settlers. The husband
wasn't there when it occurred. Cranmer claims to have found

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a letter in the archives of the US War Department
dated March thirty first, seventeen ninety two from the commander
of nearby Fort Pitt, Isaac Craig, to the then Secretary
of War, Henry Cox, in which he informed him quote
and I'm all saying Indians because he said it that
the Indians have killed his wife and three children, or

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have killed the wife and three children of Deliverance Brown Brown,
having escaped by some distance from the house. This seemed
to Cranmer to confirm the psychic's vision. I was able
to find a sim similarly, sorry, I can't talk. I'm
dehydrated right now, a similarly worded letter from the Freeman's
Journal or the North American Intelligencer dated April seventeenth, seventeen

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ninety two, which states, we have the following intelligence by
a party of men from Muskingham that at a small
station between I cannot read that word Belle Prey and Belleville,
on the west side of Ohio, the Indians killed the
wife and three children of one Deliverance Brown, who, being
some distance from the house with his son, made his escape. Okay,

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so this confirms that such an event did take place. However,
based on either this letter or the letter that Bob
Cranmer claims he found, there is no way to determine
the exact location of the house of Deliverance Brown. Despite
several peer reviewed studies such as the Case for Retrocognition

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and direct Contacts with past and future, retrocognition is not
accepted as a valid phenomenon in the scientific community. Wanting
to find the exact letter that Bob Cranmer claimed to
have found, I look through the National Archives at Archives
dot Gov, but I could not find any such letter. Next,

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I turned to the Historic Pittsburgh hosted by the University
of Pittsburgh's Library system, and Historic Pittsburgh has a collection
of letters of the Craig Neville family dating from seventeen
seventy three to eighteen sixty five, so if such a
letter existed, this would probably be the best place to look.

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David Pitt of Historic Pittsburgh determined the letter most likely
was part of the collection at the Hindes History Museum,
and yeah, unfortunately, Liz from the History Center replied, I
looked through the Craig Neville collection and could not find
that letter. To be on the safe side, Mary Jones,
chief librarian, also looked and the result was the same.

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Maybe there is a reason to be skeptical. So yeah,
mister Cranmer when asked if he had a copy of
this letter, you know, like he says, he found this letter.
You know, he was asked by reporters and various other
people could they see the letter, would you print it
and put it or would you copy it and put
it in the book, so on and so forth, But
he never responded to anyone. No one has seen such

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a letter. And if such a letter from Isaac Craig
to Henry Knox exists, its location remains a mystery. Now
on to the mysterious Doctor M. In addition to the
claim that the house at thirty four h six Brownsville
Road was built over one hundred years later over the
site of a Native American massacre, psychic Connie Valenti also

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claimed to have visions revealing that the house was once
used by a doctor M rumored like Infra murdered dial
in for Murder, good Movie, rumored to have performed illegal
abortions in the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. Cranmer claims
in his book that he hired a historical specialist to
research this doctor M and discovered he was a pediatrician

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who started to practice somewhere around nineteen fifteen and was
described by a local businessman as quote a very rough
and profane old man who liked to drink and always
smelled of it. He walked with a limp and always
wore a black hat, white gloves, and carried a cane.
Although the real identity of doctor M was never given

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in the book, since its publication in twenty fourteen, Bob
Cranmer has admitted that the eponymous doctor m was really
doctor James Melton Clay Mayhan, born around eighteen ninety in Creekside, Pennsylvania.
Doctor Mayhan appears on page one forty seven of the
University of Pittsburgh Alumni Directory, Volume two, dating seventeen eighty

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seven to nineteen sixteen, confirming his medical background. Additionally, I
was able to find a registration card dated April twenty fifth,
nineteen forty two, which not only confirms doctor Mayhan's full name,
his place of birth, and his date of birth, which
was apparently January sixteenth, eighteen ninety his status as a

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medical doctor, but also the fact that he walked with
a cane. Given the portrayal of doctor Mayhan in the book,
one would hope that Cranmer, Father Languin, and Valenti had
evidence to support their allegations that he was responsible for
the demon of Brownsville Road. When asked in an interview
about this, father Langwin replied, quote, I don't need to

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verify it in order to tell the story. Yeah, you do.
You're defaming someone even if he's dead, and that since
doctor Mayhan was never named directly in the book, quote,
we didn't accuse anyone of anything. Well, I mean you did.
It's not hard to find the records of who lived
in that house. Connie Valenti stated in an interview that

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as far as her visions go, the story quote is
all true, and that quote, I can only tell you
what I saw. For his part, Bob Cranmer refused to
discuss doctor Mayhan at all, claiming, well, I didn't identify
him in the book, so I'm not going to discuss him.
Why because you don't want legal action taken against you.
Because unfortunately for Cranmer, it turns out that doctor Mayhan

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has some living relatives who, much like Karen Dwyer, take
umbrage with you know, their family member's portrayal in the book.
Dean Mayhon, grandson of doctor Mayhan, argues that his grandfather
couldn't have been performing abortions in the house at thirty
four six Brownsville Road in the nineteen twenties and thirties because, quote,

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my grandfather wasn't even there on Brownsville Road then, and
census records from nineteen twenty and nineteen forty both confirm this,
showing that doctor Mayahan was living at twenty four hundred
Berg Street at the time. According to Dean. His grandfather
didn't move to Brentwood, which according to his death certificate,

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was at the house number thirty two thirty three Brownsville Road,
until sometime in the nineteen forties following a scandal and
subsequent divorce filing. There is no mention of malpractice suits
or back alley abortions. Unlike other cases that I've looked
into or investigated, where both an author and publisher maintained

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that their book is a true and accurate report of
the events described, photographic evidence is actually offered. In the
case of the Demon of Brownsville Road, there are two
photographs I already touched on, one in particular that I
think would would be the best evidence in support of
Bob Cranmer's story, but of course both black and white
and of very poor quality. I'm not sure why they're

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in black and white. You know, all of this took
place nineteen eighty eight and on, so there was absolutely
color film. They could have had those pictures developed in color,
so there's really not a lot of detail. And the
first is the photograph of the blood which allegedly appeared
on the walls of the third floor. Bob described the

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scene saying All of the walls, including two doors, were
spattered with large drops of red blood from the ceiling
to the floor. The blood was still wet and was
running down the walls. It's as if someone had just
taken a container and a sponge and sprinkled the walls,
as Father Mike had done numerous times with holy water.
Over the next several weeks, the blood continued to be

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sprinkled down both staircases to the first floor, including my den.
Some of the areas where the blood was dripping were
so far up, like I already talked about, they're nine
feet up, YadA, YadA, YadA. Nobody could have done this.
No human being could have done this, you know, because
they would have hit the ceiling. I don't know. I'm
like you kind of just described exactly how someone could

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do it. They just took a sponge and put some
red liquid on the walls. According to him, you know,
a whole lot of blood was covering the walls and
the stairs, But sadly the photograph only shows like two
or three spots, with Cranmer offering that the camera flash
must have masked the dramatic images quote to a degree. Unfortunately,

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this was such a degree that, in the words of
Tiago Gasparino, a forensics expert, quote from a blood spatter perspective,
the image is quite poor quality for analysis. Isn't it
funny how that always happens that even though they had
like relatively modern technology, they couldn't get a good picture
of blood like just being on a wall. Something both

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Thiago and I found interesting was that the middle stain
started at an angle and then became vertical, And one
would expect that gravity, you know, exerting a pull on
an otherwise flat surface, would cause the drip to either
go straight down or to follow the texture of the
surface it's on, so for example, the grain of the wood,

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or you know, because this is an older house, maybe
even uneven textures on the wall, if there was crumbling plasters,
so on and so forth. Additionally, if the inside of
the house was a veritable blood path as described, one
might expect more than a single, very poor quality photograph.

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I think that's a really reasonable expectation. The other photograph
included in the book was of an alleged four person
grave site in Cranmer's yard. Okay, and Cranmer hired ground
penetrating radar systems inc to scan the yard based on
the psychic's vision. Yeah. When asked about GPR fives, Cranmer explained, quote,

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what the text showed me were four images on a
screen that he said were buried four to six feet deep,
all lying horizontally. They may have been or there may
have been a printed report, and I may have it
in the files, but this service is generally used by
construction or service people wanting to know what, where, how
deep something is buried. He told me that the site

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was in keeping with all of the attributes of a grape.
So you didn't have this dug up. It's your house.
Dig it up. You think there's bodies in your front
yard that are somehow causing a demonic possession, dig them
up and give them a proper burial. When mister Cranmer
was asked if he had a copy of the report
that he'd be willing to share, he responded, I appreciate

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your interests, but I have so many files I don't
have the motivation to dig through them. So you have
proof allegedly that there's four bodies buried in your yard,
and you don't want to offer that up. If I
had something like that, like to be like, look, seriously,
my house is haunted. There's four people buried in the
front yard. You know, allegedly this happened historically during a war.

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I would have that pasted seriously, like to the front
of my house, like I'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
If I had some kind of actual proof to support
my demonic possession haunted house claims, I would be sharing
it with everybody, wouldn't you. Kenneth Fetter, Professor Professor Professor

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of Archaeology, was asked for insight into the technology or
the process of using ground penetrating radar. Fetter learned what
Bob Cranmer told a reporter and then passed those questions
and the information onto Lawrence Conyers. Uh, the anthropologist who
literally wrote the book on ground penetrating radar. Unfortunately, having

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not seen any of the GPR results, because you know,
Bob can't be bothered, responded, this tells me nothing of importance.
Although that firm that did the GPR is a large
group who mostly makes money finding pipes and such. If
they had an image it would really help, or even
some of the raw tata that I can process. I

(01:08:16):
suspect they are pretty good at finding anomalies in the ground,
but it usually takes a little more to interpret them,
like they have stated in this report. Yeah, so he's saying,
in order to verify that there are bodies, human bodies
buried underground, it takes someone with more skill than just
you know, the GPR operator to interpret those reports. Something

(01:08:40):
that Fetter, Conyers and I all agreed upon was that
it was curious that mister Cranmer wouldn't disclose the report publicly.
One again would expect that, you know, considering Bob Cranmer
has used this report to bolster his claims both in
a published book and in advertising Bed and Breakfast, he
would be more than happy to display it to the public. Again,

(01:09:00):
like I'd have it like in a glass case in
the foyer of the house so people could look at it.
And to be clear, I'm not claiming that there is
no grave site on mister Cranmer's property. I'm not. However,
without producing evidence to support his claims, I will say
that he really isn't entitled to make them in the
first place. You know, you're saying in your book, this exists,

(01:09:23):
This information exists, this data exists. It's proof of every
claim that I'm making but you can't see it. Huh,
It's funny how that works. In addition to the radar analysis,
Cranmer also quote used an old dowsing technique for sorry,
I'm laughing, for finding buried objects that I saw on
the History Channel. I held two copper rods and walked

(01:09:44):
around until they moved, indicating the grave at the Oak Tree.
Of Dowsing, despite its enduring popularity, has never been scientifically
proven to work. Decades of tests, some of which were
conducted by the late James the Amazing Randy, have time
and time again demonstrated that under controlled conditions, dowsers do

(01:10:06):
not perform any better than just sheer luck or chance.
Dowsing operates by what's known as the ideometer effect or
idiomotor effect. I'm an idiometer ideo motor effect, which is
the unconscious and voluntary movements that are made by a
person without their awareness according to preconceived biases, assumptions, and expectations.

(01:10:31):
So if you expect that the dowsing rods are going
to move, you probably subconsciously are going to move them.
Without the report from ground penetrating radar systems, inc. There
can be no thorough scientific analysis of the claims that
a gravesite exists on mister Cranmer's property so far as
his discovery of via dowsing rods are concerned. A more

(01:10:54):
plausible explanation is that mister Cranmer expected to find a
grave beneath the oak tree based on what the psychic
told him, and that when he walked over to the
spot that the copper rods he used were yeah, they
moved because he moved them, and mister Krammer said that
they were actually more accurate than radar. Then why did

(01:11:14):
anyone ever feel the need to invent radar? Okay, whatever
might have happened to Bob Kramer and his family during
the eighteen years eighteen in which they were allegedly tormented
by a demonic entity, I mean, they've got my sympathies
because something was happening. I think it was psychological, and

(01:11:37):
as I previously stated, wild demons and demonic activity may
or may not exist. Certainly, depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies
are very real and very serious. And while I understand
that plenty of people find comfort in religion and applying
a religious interpretation to their experiences, I'm also pretty concern

(01:12:00):
that believing oneself to be the victim of supernatural or
demonic forces may in some cases make the situation much worse. Regardless,
people who believe in demons or the devil will probably
continue to seek diabolical explanations for the unexplained, whether it's
finding a greater meaning in one's misfortunes or simply scaring

(01:12:22):
up a profit ed Lorraine Warren style, And oh boy,
I need to do an update to my series on them,
because boy, oh boy, some new shit has come to
light and I got very different opinions about them. The
devil gets all the blame but none of the credit.
And that's it. That's the story of the Demon of
Brownsville Road. You know, be careful making claims, I guess

(01:12:44):
is the lesson you can draw from this. Be careful
making claims about real people that still have living family members.
Be careful making those claims really really damaging claims, in fact,
really defaming claims about you know, someone's grandfather performing illegal

(01:13:08):
abortions and all these abortions causing a demon and all
this kind of just like, does it make sense to
you his theory because it just doesn't to me. Like,
immediately he mansplains even though he did not study theology, demonology,
any of that. Bob Kranner makes the claims you know

(01:13:31):
of he knows what a ghost is, he knows what
a ghost is, he knows what demons are. He man'splains
what a ghost is and what a demon is, and
then says there's a demon in his house, even though
it seems like it should just be the spirits of
human beings. I don't know. I'm sorry, I just clicked
my tongue at you. I had no other response because

(01:13:52):
I'm just like, okay, it seems like your family that
mental illness ran in your family, which is fine, runs
mine too. I take antidepressants and anti anxiety medication, but
I don't think that I'm possessed by a demon. And
again that is very, very harmful. And again with the Warrens,

(01:14:13):
with Edim Lorraine Warren. The more I looked into them after,
like if you hear their stories on its face, it's like, oh, yeah,
they're like really just trying to help people. Well you
have to look a little further. So pretty much all
the families that called them were Catholic, and their children

(01:14:35):
their relative They're whoever was exhibiting these strange behaviors that
they'd never exhibited before, and they would get a ton
of attention from their parents or their spouse or their
whatever when they would act strangely. And I'm not saying
everybody was doing it on purpose, but I think some
might have played it up a little. And of course,

(01:14:57):
when edn Lorraine Warren came in the house, they would
prompt people, They would lead them and say, oh, this
is happening, right, well, a demonic possession looks like this,
And they would lay out step by step like how
a person should be acting the things they should be
doing if they are possessed by a demon, and they
do that in front of the person who's allegedly possessed,

(01:15:18):
and then that person would begin to exhibit those behaviors.
And one of the biggest like bullshit calls to me
one that kind of proves that most of the things
they did were absolute horseshit. Aside from the fact that
Ed Warren allegedly is a pedophile. This isn't me making
up this allegation. A woman came forward years later. She

(01:15:41):
was in a sworn statement. She said that Ed Warren
with Lorraine Warren's knowledge, groomed her at age fifteen, moved
her into their house, and Ed Warren kept her as
a lover for like a very long time. Oh and
then they know their daughter the same name as her. Yeah,

(01:16:04):
next level foot up using religion to cover your misdeeds.
And again these are allegations, but this woman had nothing
to gain by coming forward. She didn't come forward until
she was legally forced to. Uh, that's that's it. But
the biggest discreditation to me of all their demonic you know, Oh,

(01:16:27):
we're curing everybody. Oh my god, I can't remember this
kid's name, but I did cover it. So this kid, it's,
you know, the Devil, the lead up to The Devil
Made Me do It, The conjuring movie, The Devil Made
Me do It. The kid is possessed. He's terrorizing the family.
Oh god, the mom you know, is making it worse
and reacting to every single thing he does. And he's

(01:16:48):
beating the family and he's screaming at the top of
his lungs, and he's like a pretty big kid. I
think he was like twelve years old and a pretty
big kid. And the dad was a long haul trucker
and he was like almost never home. And one night
when he was home, the kids who is allegedly possessed,
is on a tirade. He's hitting his mom, he's cussing
everybody out. It wakes the data up. He comes out

(01:17:10):
and smacks the shit out of the kid, and once't
you know it, the demon left his body. His dad
smacked him so hard that demon left his body. Hmm.
I didn't think demons were scared of getting a slap
across the face, but apparently they are so. I don't know.

(01:17:32):
I don't know how much of anything they saw or
did was real. I know that most of the conjuring
story was made up, that they were asked to leave
like very soon, that they were only there for a
little while, and they apparently made things worse and they
were told to leave. So take all of it with
a grain of salt. And also ed Warren may or
may not probably was a pedophile, So keep all that

(01:17:54):
in mind. I'm not defaming anyone. Someone else in this
Warren statement said this. You can go look it up.
Lorraine Warren's dead too. I know their daughter and their
son in law runs their foundation or their society or
whatever the hell it is. I didn't make these statements
in an affidavit or a deposition, so take it up
with the person that did. Oh wait, you didn't. And

(01:18:16):
Lorraine Warren, I think was alive when those allegations came
out and no legal action was taken. Well, why wouldn't
you take legal action if someone was defaming you and
you could prove it? Because you can't, because yeah, probably happened. Okay,
and I do appreciate you listening, and remember, if it's
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The full moon hangs high above the treeline and serves
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God, we need to oil that door. Hey, girls, what
you update? Nothing much to start here in a creepy cabin.
But first I've just got to you about the murderer.
They're just caught in town. Oh thank god they caught him.

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I was losing sleep, and believe me, sleeping with a
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Perhaps my initial distaste for Carmela Creeper is rooted in
my online nostalgia. How the fuck did I get online
nostalgia out of this? Is that plain noise really picking up?
Is the plain noise really picking up? Or is that
my laptop fan foot? We'll cover it up in post.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Melbourne. This is Delta Sierra juliet Is there any known
traffic below five thousand Delta Sierra Juliette. No known traffic,
I am. It seems to be a large aircraft below
five thousand Delta Sierra Juliette. What type of aircraft is it?
I cannot affirm it is for bright It seems to

(01:25:45):
me like landing lights. Delta Sierra Juliette, Melbourne. This is
Delta Sierra juliet The aircraft has just passed over me
at least at least a thousand feet above Delta Sier Juliette,
Roger And it is a large aircraft. Confirm unknown due

(01:26:07):
to the speed it's traveling. Is there any air Force
aircraft in the vicinity Delta Theer Juliette. No known aircraft
in the vicinity Melbourne. It's approaching now from due east
towards me. Delta Sier Juliette. It seems to me that

(01:26:32):
he's playing some sort of game. He's flying over me
two three times at a time, at speeds that I
could not identify. Delta Sier Juliette, Roger, what is your
actual level? My level is four and a half thousand,
four five zero zero Delta, Sierra Juliette. And confirm you

(01:26:53):
cannot identify the aircraft affirmative Delta Sier Juliette, Roger, standby, Melbourne. Delta,
Sierra juliet It's not an aircraft. It is Delta Theerra
juliet Melbourne. Can you describe that aircraft as it's flying past?

(01:27:19):
It's a long shape. Cannot identify more than that. It
has such speed. It is before me right now, Melbourne, Delta,
Sierra Juliette, Roger. And how large would the object be? Melbourne.
It seems like it's stationary. What I'm doing right now

(01:27:49):
is orbiting, and the thing is just orbiting on top
of me. Also, it's got a green light and sort
of metallic like it's all shiny on the outside. Delta,
Sier Juliette. It's just vanished Delta, ser juliet Melbourne. Would

(01:28:13):
you know what kind of aircraft I've got is a
type of military aircraft? Delta Theer Juliette. Confirm that aircraft's vanished.
Say again, Delta, Theer Juliette. Is the aircraft still with you?
It's a nor now approaching from the southwest.

Speaker 11 (01:28:39):
Delta, Sir Juliette. The engine is is rough idling.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I've got it set at twenty three twenty four and
the thing is coughing. Delta Theer Juliette, Roger, what are
your intentions? My intentions are to go to King Island, UH, Melbourne.
That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me. Again,

(01:29:09):
it is hovering and it's not an aircraft. Dot to see.

Speaker 11 (01:29:13):
Juliette, Melbourne, ulta Seer juliet Melbourne, Melbourne.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
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