FIEND DROP: Spooky Season Launch Party

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm Edward October. The sound you hear is of some
weird cat looking over his shoulder at you and me.
The sound of someone picking up every stitch, the sound
of the rabbit running in the ditch. It's the sound
of beatniks out to make it rich. Yes, it must

(00:40):
be the season of the witch. This is the start
of October. Pod It is now September, a rare month

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for boils and ghoules such as ourselves. The oppressive heaviness
of August heat has dissipated, to be replaced with the
tang of leaves drying in a hot breeze before fluttering
lifeless onto your front stoop. Halloween is just around the corner,
and if you don't keep your wits about you, they'll

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be precious little time to assemble the hairy ape costume
you wish to wear at the Harvest festival, or to
buy all the candy you want to hand out from
your lovingly decorated trunk in the YMCA parking lot, or
to perfect the recipes you'll serve at your fancy dress

(01:55):
beer garden party. Halloween comes up on us fast, so
it's wise to get a head start when you see
early signs of the season coming on. This may seem
silly to you, but one of my favorite rituals of
the Halloween preseason is going to the grocery store and

(02:16):
buying one of those Halloween cooking and decorating magazines. You know,
the kind, those thick special editions put out by periodicals
like Better Homes or Southern Living. I know it may
seem like an old Grandma thing to do, but I
eat that shit up. The spooky season is about more
than just horror movies and bloody gore. It's about food

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and fun. It's about entertaining and costumes. It's about the
drinkable variety of spirits, and, as Garfield would say.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, and so on a
warm sunny day in late August or early September, nothing
will get you in this cozy mode of the Halloween spirit.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
White Like one of these magazines. You'll find them near
the register of your local acme Shopwrite or Try and
Save Mart, next to the five hour energy bars and
adult coloring books on a rack waar. In olden days,
copies of rags like Weekly World News used to shout
at you about the doings of bat Boy or the

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alien conspiracy to put Bigfoot in the White House. Those
were happier times. Next time you shell out fifteen dollars
for a dozen eggs, pick up one of these bad boys.
Martha Stewart Living used to come out with a special
Halloween edition every year. Inside you'd find decorating ideas, recipes,

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creepy cocktails, costume ideas, and even crap templates. I particularly
liked the photo spreads of different theme party ideas. There'd
be spreads for a carnival themed kid's Halloween party, a
rustic backyard harvest soiree, a cocktail party themed around creepy

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Crawley's and moldy things. And with each theme party you'd
get games, decorp ideas, recipes, the whole mcgilla. Of course,
I'd never pick up the Martha Stewart Living Halloween Special
Edition with the intention of throwing one of these parties,
but they'd serve as a great inspiration board for whatever
event I was cooking up. I can't express how elegantly

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photographed the accompanying photo spreads were. These are the most
fashionable Halloween parties you can imagine, well fashionable by your
hip grandmother's standards, Halloween parties that express whatever the granny
core esthetic equivalent is for the Playboy lifestyle got some
great charcuterie board ideas from the pages of one of

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those rags. Of course, that was the case a few
years ago. In the last I don't know, three to
five years or so, it seems like Martha has stopped
doing her Halloween's special. Instead they do compilations of their
old material. I know, I have no room to talk
with all the crypt clips compilations I produce for October Pod.

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And aside from being compilations of old material, the paper
is lower quality. Gone are those thick, slick, glossy pages.
Now the pages have the grainy texture of instant oatmeal
and a muted matt finish to match. Of course, Martha
Stewart isn't the only game in town. Better Homes and Gardens,

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Southern Living and all the rest do something similar. And
if you see one that looks good in the checkout aisle,
pick it up. It'll make you happy, or show you
how to make a Halloween wreath with googly eyes and
rubber snakes or whatever. But snatch them up while you can.
At the stroke of midnight on October first, or even sooner.

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These will be replaced with Thanksgiving, cooking and entertaining magazines
or shudder, Christmas shit. Today, of course, we have a
serious task at hand to kick off the start of
spooky season, and so we've invited some special guests from
some of our favorite true crime and paranormal podcasts who

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will whip you into a frenzy of ghoulish delight with
some stranger than fiction true tales of the grotesque, the unknown,
and the uncanny. First up, the classiest Witches we know,
Amber and Mattie from the podcast Witches Talking Tarot present
the facts and fantasy in the case of Jack the Ripper.

(06:39):
Then Alicia and Sierra from the podcast Twisted and Uncorked
have a strange true case of U foes and conspiracies
in store for you. I'll be back in the intermission
to talk about a few more of my favorite things
to enjoy in these early days between the end of
summer and the start Palloween. I'll also be making a

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big announcement that you won't want to miss. Finally, Nikki
Young from the podcast Cereal Knapper is on hand to
lull you to sleep with the true tale of sex, Satanism,
hauntings and homicide. Hell, let's get started now, shall we. Ladies.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Hi everyone, I'm Maddie and I'm Amber and we're Witch
is talking Tara, and today we're going to be talking
about the creepy the crawley, Jack the Ripper. So, for
those of you that jn't don't know, Jack the Ripper
is a notorious serial killer from nineteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Eighteen eighteen eighty eight, Yes, August seventh.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Eighteen eighty eight, began the White Chapel.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Murders and they ran at least through the end of
eighteen eighty eight. I'll go some murders in Whitechapel through
eighteen ninety one were attributed to possibly being that of
Jack the Ripper. They were similar in nature, but not
exactly the same.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
There are five canonical victims I've found out in this research.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
And those are the ones that I know of, and
I thought they were the only victims.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
And the reason that a lot.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Of people present them as the only victims is because
it's not sure on some of the earlier ones and
definitely on some of the later ones as to whether
or not it was a Jack the Ripper murder or
if it was just unfortunately a regular.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
But for me, Jack the Ripper gives very much some
of sad vibes. Everybody's terrified, everyone's.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Afraid, you know, like couple like women dyed their hair
in nineteen sixty nine to not be a son of
Sam victim, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
And I get that very much from like Jack the
Ripper because like.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Somebody apparently like a famous quote around the Ripper murders
is like social social reformers couldn't do what Jack the
Ripper did, which is get the people of London to
acknowledge how bad it was in London's East End. Everybody
was living in squaller it was horrible conditions, and then

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things like the Ripper murders happened there.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
And you know, like I found that quote.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Very interesting because I saw that a lot in my
research about how Jack the Ripper murders got the London
elite to see how bad it was for the people
that weren't the elites, because I guess, up until that point,
you know, I mean think we just a couple of months, Scrooge,

(09:58):
you know, he was a rich person in London, didn't
give crap about all the lowly people.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Like farms are good enough for them, right, and this.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Would be around that same time. Yeah, it was real.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Sh was bad.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It was really bad. It was so bad.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, like I was just gonna say, like dirty conditions,
everybody's hungry, everybody's poor.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
What's it called that starts with a D? That you
ship yourself and die that stuff ysteriosterio dysentery. Sorry, you
know what I.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Mean, But I mean, like, and you got to think
something that I didn't know, but I learned in my
research for this, most of these women weren't hard in
sex workers.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Most of these women were what were referred to back.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Then as unfortunate. They didn't have a lot of money.
They weren't able to make ends meet. A lot of
them had drinking problems, and so the sex work came
as a side just to fill in the gaps of
what they really like, the work that they really did
through day day to day labor and stuff like one

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woman was a housekeeper where she lived.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
One woman made like.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Flowers out of fabric and crochete things for people from
well and knowing their lady hearts ree move that brings
me to a theory of who the serial killer.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Is, which we were just talking about the possibility of
it being a doctor. So I was looking at all
the different theories of who it is toils search. I
don't think that's who.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
It was, I know, but I love from Hell.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
We can start with that one. I lovet's start with.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
I mean, that one's so much fun. It's the theory
that because of.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
An illegitimate child or a wedding that should not have
happened between the crown Prince uh and one of these
unfortunate women.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
That you know, the the witnesses to said wedding had
to be taken out, and you know, we get that
played out for us by.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I can't remember her name, but Johnny Depp's the dude.
And if only he had leaned into that character minus
the opium usage versus the pirate, you might have better
teeth right now. But from Hell, Love from Hell. And
that is where I learned about this theory of the
royal surgeon or somebody in the royal family being the
culprit or somebody being paid.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
By the royal family or told by the royal family.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Being the culprit of the Jack the Ripper killings to
hide something that they didn't want the mass public to
know about the royal family.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's my favorite.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
It's not the one I think, but it's my favorite.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
So I think.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I think this Doctor John Williams is probably the one
that I do think, because we were talking about the
possibility of the doctor. Doctor John Williams was a celebrated doctor, surgeon,
and teacher in the eighteen eighties London.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Williams.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
This is a different Williams. In two thousand and five,
Tony Williams, a descendant of doctor Williams, published his book
called Uncle Jack. But let me explain. Doctor Williams shadowed White.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
Uncle.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Oh yeah, sorry, that was so good. I wasn't expecting that.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
In the book, Williams claims that doctor Williams shadowed Whitechapel
looking for women he may have met at his clinic. Okay,
The claim was that he killed them and took their
uteride back to the hospital to study in an attempt
to cure his wife's like infertility. There's no proof of this, Okay,

(13:45):
this is just a theory. But to me that theory
makes sense.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
It doesn't make sense, not like, why doesn't it?

Speaker 9 (13:52):
Not?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Many of these women had children why would he take
there to study their uterus if they didn't have children,
as a possible that they were also infertile, he couldn't
very well cut his wife open and check her out.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I guess in my head, I think you would want
to look at healthy futerus versus but.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
You want to stay. But I get that.

Speaker 10 (14:12):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I mean, now, some of them did have kids that
I don't think are in their care.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
I hope we're not based on the things that.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Maybe it was like he took both healthy and unhealthy
because he wanted to compare the two.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Yeah, you know, and that would make sense if you
take it.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, because I was just thinking off the bat of
most of them didn't have kids. But there was one
lady that had kids for sure, and I don't know
about one of the others. A lot of them didn't
have kids, which is why I was like, well, that's strange.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
But if you take women, because also other victims that weren't.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
About exactly, and if you take poor women that aren't
what would probably be considered burdens to society back then
to study on. Unfortunately, if you look far enough, and again,
unfortunately it's not that far.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Many women who.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Were considered burdens to society or undesirables were used in
the history of gynecology.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Oh absolutely, no, definitely, And I mean that that theory
makes more sense to me than pretty much any of
the others.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Even though I like the Royal Family retro, I don't
know it's girl.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
I do like the one because like they made good points,
like a woman posing as a midwife can walk around
London covered in blood yep with bloody rags and you.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Know you're a midwife themselves would know about the insight.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Well right, and that is what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
But like the theory from the detectives back then was
that you know, she was posing as a midwife, but a.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Midwife would know where the organs are.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
And that's like my biggest thing is I feel like
maybe a butcher of animals would be able to find
the organs in a human.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
But otherwise these women.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Were butchered in that they weren't hacked to pieces except
for one or two of the earliest victims, which is
why they're not really attributed to the five Fanautical victims
because they don't match the emma exactly. However, one of
them was in the exact same position because they have
their legs displayed as a woman giving childbirth, which feeds

(16:27):
right into what you said about doctor Williams. And why
because almost every single victim her legs were displayed wide
as if and like possibly slightly bent. The way it
was described was the position for giving childbirth, you know, so.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Which is why I'm like the doctor, like like that guy.

Speaker 10 (16:48):
I'm like that.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
No, that one makes perfect sense because I personally believe
it has to be somebody with medical background or some
such thing similar to that, because they.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Were not just hacked to pieces.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
They were pupped up and pieces of them were removed
and taken with the killer they were. Also they had
their throats slit, a lot of them, which is why
nobody heard any noise. Like most of these women were
found where they were killed, which means they were killed

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and butchered, dismembered, dissected. However, you want to look at
that in a specific place without being a herd right
outside of residence, like Whitechapel is when you think about, like, okay,
you know how San Francisco has the building upon building
upon building, or like you think Brooklyn and the Bronx

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or whatever, where it's like just building upon building upon building,
all these apartments, all these little houses all together, squshed together.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
This is what whitechapels like. Right. It's a very poor area.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
And these women were killed like in doorways, and like
one was found in like the landing of an apartments basically,
but like you know, obviously it's not like our apartments.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's like apartments used to be.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
So it wasn't like enclosed, but it was probably like
the stairwell was blocked off by walls of the buildings,
you know, so it's kind of enclosed, but it's not
like inside right right, right.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
So it's like right outside the doors of residence, right
on the.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Other side of the wall from people like sleeping and
just living like right.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
At least one was found in.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
The yard of a house like and people were coming
and going too, because this is a part of the
town that I'm not going to say it's like Vegas
and it ever sleeps. But also you know, there are
dock workers that are getting out at three and four
in the morning. There are people that there are soldiers
that are on leave trying to get a little booty

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from women like our victims here. You know, it's a
part of town that's it's still going in the wee
hours when these women were dispatched. So like there are
at least two accounts where people went in and out
of the buildings that these women were found dead in
front of it, and they're like it.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Was really dark.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I mean, there was definitely nobody alive there, but I
could have missed a dead part well.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
And the reality is, though it's it was such a
shitty place, would it be that unusual to see a
dead body on the ground.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
I don't think that was one, well, not necessarily a
body exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I'm wrong where I passed out, because that's exactly what
one guy said about one of the bodies, was like
I think I saw a body there, but like I
often see somebody sleeping there. Eighteen eighty eight was a cold,
wet summer, so the Bank Holiday that the first Jack
the Ripper murder happened at.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Like it was so wet nobody could go out and
do stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Everybody wound up in publish drinking and stuff because like
it was like there were newspaper images like people drew
like cartoons.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Of people like rowing through the streets of London because
there was that much well and okay, and that's a
good place to be.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
Lewis Carroll is one of the possible suspects the author
of Alice in.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Wonderland, same with a known serial killer, George Burrows, I
think is this thing, but he was a known serial killer.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I hear the author of Alais in Wonderland was a
fucking weirdo though, like I hear he was a straight
up a cree boyd.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Because he like was he a great.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Pictures of girl of little girls?

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Yea naked?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes, he would draw them them himself, Like I only
know this because I had looked up this author. He
would draw them himself, and their mothers would let him
keep them for a little bit while he drew these
pictures of her because it was of them, because it
was part like the guy was definitely like on the peace.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Maybe I'm thinking of what.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Maybe because Louis Lewis is one of one.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Of the children's authors that was thought to be like creepy, I.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
May be wrong, so she was, but she was anyway anyway.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yeah, so there are.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
A lot of creepy like I mean, there are a
lot of famous people that were thought to be jack.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (21:23):
Well, the one was like Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Who were thought to be Jack the Ripper. There was
a woman who was possibly Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Nobody knew, nobody had any idea back in the olden
days when you could get away with stuff like nowadays. Unfortunately,
I mean not unfortunately, I mean fortunately, Well, nowadays we
have DNA evidence, which everybody thinks is infallible, but it
is not.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
If you watch enough true crime like I do.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I guess that brings us to the final. Yeah, well,
I mean I don't.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
He's not I meant the final for this episode. But
like anyway, so the guy, just because we're at twenty five,
but so, his name's like Aaron something, Polish Jewish immigrant.
He came from Germany, came to London. He was a barber.
Supposedly they connected.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
He was insane, Yes, he wasn't saying.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He dined up in a mental hospital in eighteen ninety one,
where he ended up dying like twenty plus thirty years.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Later, which sucks because mental institutions back then in New York.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
And his relative who is writing a book about Jack
the Ripper and his great great great uncle be and
Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 11 (22:37):
Released a shawl that is thought to be Catherine Edos's
that has her DNA and mitochondrial DNA from the Cosminski family,
and Aaron Cosminski was one of the suspects back.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
In the day, and so the DNA evidence shows that
Cosminsky's might a condrial DNA is on a shawl that
also has Catherine Eto's DNA according to the.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Labs that tested it.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
But what everybody doesn't realize about DNA is not it's
not one hundred percent accurate, Like there are scientists that
would say DNA should not be allowed at a court
of lot today on current era DNA samples so nicely
it's just over one hundred years old and DNA breaks down,
Like I find it highly suspect. I mean, maybe they

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did solve Jack the Ripper, maybe they really did, but
I I'm not sold because it's just mitochondrial DNA. She
was a lady of the evening that he was known
to experience, and so were his brothers. According to what
I read when when we were talking about earlier, and

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I looked it up to see, like, is somebody profiting
from the fact that this is happening. The DNA is
But what I read so like he and his brothers
both experienced the embrace of Catherine Eto's.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
So it makes them their DNA with you.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
So I'm not going to dismiss the fact. Okay, I'm
not going to dismiss I'm not going to say that
I fully believe it because I don't. But I'm not
going to like die on this hill that I think
it's not this person, you know, Like I I the
idea of him being a barber again, like we got

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Sweeney Todd Man, we.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Got Sweeny Todd like another Johnny literally another Johnny Depp
if he leaned into that character would have better teeth.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'm just saying, like, isn't that how Sweeny Todd You
know his victims.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
But Sweeney Todd didn't like them and cut their.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Just fed them to people.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
He just grow well, he just gave them to missus
loved so that she right.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
But the thing is, we don't know anything about the
history of Aaron before he moved to London, like you
had mentioned previously, what like he did he did they
own a farm. It's highly possible if they owned a
farm that he had to perform emergency c sections on animals.
Does that mean the mom's gonna live. No, but we

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are going to say the calf instead of losing a cow,
and the calf pigs are very similar to humans as well,
and could have or he could get and just cut right,
but he didn't. Just no, I'm talking about the animals.
So he learned something about that, you.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Know, I just I mean, like in his mental state,
he was this far away from a mental hospital.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
Stay, can you.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Really dissect a human body in the dark without.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Being caught by all the people right around you?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
So there's this theory. There's another theory. I do think
so absolutely, if you are so fucking insane, I really
do think so.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
No, I don't think you're gonna have steady enough hands
to do that. Well.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
See that's where I disagree, because, like, there is a
theory that people people with mental health disorders, people who
have these issues, you know, they kind of almost convince themselves.
And so when they're convincing themselves that like what they're

(26:34):
doing is not bad, they're not shaken, they're not scared.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
But no, no, no, it's that when you have a neurological
issue like mental health issues and mind issues, are your
hands going to be steady enough to make surgical.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Incisions in the dark. What if it's somebody.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
That's got medicals knowledge, but they're not somebody like a
soldier that, yeah, exact, and they would blend in down
there because soldiers go in there all time.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
I'm just like it would have to. It couldn't be
like a rich guy, right, because how are you going
to blend in down them?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
You're gonna stand out like a sore thrum. Now, two
of them were seen talking to a dude with a
little mustache though, who apparently did not blend in at all.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
And it's like, I don't know, I just because of
all the true.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Crime I've watched, DNA evidence is not that it's not
how people think it is right where it's like, oh,
we're gonna bring DNA evan done some of this courtroom
and everything's going to be solid, Like, that's not how
it is according to the scientists that perform DNA stuff.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
So for one hundred and forty year old DNA to
say that this guy did it based on mitochondrial DNA
and his brothers who would have had the same mitochondrial
DNA being there, and he was a known visitor of
these ladies, Yeah, the DNA does not sway me. It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
If nobody would profit from it, it would sway me
a lot more. And I realized that's my own bias,
one hundred percent, my own bias. If nobody was profiting
from that DNA release, I would for sure find it
more interesting than I do. It's not that I don't
find it incredible, it's that I find it disinteresting because

(28:31):
I know that DNA is not fool proof. It's only mitochondrial,
and somebody is profiting from it being released after one
hundred and forty years.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
If the story you just heard unsettled, you don't worry.
All that means is that you're still saying. Let's hope
your grip on sanity holds after you listen to our
next story.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra, and this is twisted and uncorked,
Hello and welcomed. We don't always induce sphere, but today
we like we likely will, as I will be telling
you about an alien conspiracy. In nineteen seventy eight, twenty
six year old Jim Wiener fell at his head. Listen,

(29:23):
get it out, because the word Wiener penis testicles. It's
gonna be said a lot tonight.

Speaker 10 (29:30):
Okay, you can't just brush over and because it made
me think of that episode of Friends when Rachel's like
we on the phone after her pediatrician kicks them off,
like fires them because she keeps calling like a crazy person. Sorry,
that's where my brain went. As you continue.

Speaker 8 (29:49):
Twenty six year old Jim Wiener fell at his home
and sustained brain damage. He recovered from this incident, but
ever since then he had been experiencing strange eight pains
and nightmares. He probably needed a Sweet Dreams mocktail.

Speaker 10 (30:05):
Yeah, I'm really hoping this will mean I don't have
nightmares tonight. Here's open.

Speaker 8 (30:10):
He felt sick to his stomach at random times, would
have chest pains, side pains and numbness, and vivid nightmares
that he felt were more real than normal dreams. He
had been going to many doctors, including a doctor at
the Harvard University Medical School Department of Neurology and a
neuro epilepsy nurse specialist at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.

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Jim was diagnosed with temporolimbic epilepsy, which has symptoms that
include deja vuous disassociated states with out of body experiences.
Panic attacks, chest pains, and hallucinations. However, at least the
two doctors that I just mentioned do not believe that

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TL is the only thing responsible for the nightmares that
Jim had expressed to them before even hearing that he
had once seen a UFO, his doctors suggested that he
go to a Muffon event mutual UFO network and ask
for advice from a ufologist. And so he went to

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a symposium and met Ray Fowler. Talking to ufologist, Ray
Fowler brought up memories for Jim that he didn't realize
he had. Eventually, Jim and the friends who had that
UFO siding with him underwent hypnosis to undercover the things
that they had suppressed in their minds. It's important to
know that none of them remembered these things before hypnosis,

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and that they claimed and promised not to speak to
each other in between hypnosis sessions so that one friend
could not poison the other's minds. First, let's meet our victims.
Jim and Jack Weener are identical twins brothers who were
born in October of nineteen fifty two in Pennsylvany. They

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were movie at typical twins who did everything together liked
all the same things, invented their own language, and felt
that they had twin telepathy. They enjoyed the outdoors as
kids with strict but loving parents who quote provided the
most loving environment possible end quote. Oh, however, they did

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live in a seemingly haunted house.

Speaker 10 (32:25):
There it is.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
Jack and Jim mentioned Harry the Ghost somewhat nonchalantly during
their discussion with Ray. When asked to explain further, Jim
said that he would hear voices at night and hear
weird music that sounded like a drum beating slowly. He
also thought he could hear someone calling out his name
and knocking on the walls.

Speaker 10 (32:47):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
Jack said his first interaction with Harry the Ghost was
when he a scary looking monster, was floating next to
Jack's bed and eventually pulled the covers down to look
at five year old Jack before vanishing into thin air.
He remembered wanting to scream, but not being able to. Okay,
I have to pause right here, because the entire time

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I read this book, I just kept thinking something similar
has happened to me. This is a memory for me.
I think this happened to me, so I specifically I
have always remembered this. None of my parents like every
time I say it, they're like, oh, you were just
being dramatic or whatever. I we used to think that
something was pulling the covers off my blankets. We made

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an entire thing of it. We used to say that
a man and a woman lived in a house we
lived in with a dog, and the man hung himself.
There was this arch in our house. Were like, the
man hung himself right there, and the dog died too,
and then the woman died of heartbreak. None of that happened.

Speaker 10 (33:49):
None of that.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
That was just the story we made up to explain.
I don't know whatever we thought was happening. We used
to say that the dog was biting the blanket and
pulling it off of us at night. But I don't
know if that actually happened or if that's just what
I remember because we were little kids talking crap like,
I don't know, but this freaked me out. Okay, I

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might interject like this a couple times, because there's a
couple things I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute,
this sounds familiar to Welcome to.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
Sierra's childhood trauma.

Speaker 8 (34:20):
Oh my god, I think I need hypnosis. Also, don't
want it, don't want it. Okay, I need it, but
I don't want to know. I don't want to know.

Speaker 10 (34:30):
No, thank you.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
I don't think I've been drinking tarchierry juice for a week.

Speaker 10 (34:35):
Okay, depending on what you are, I don't know if
I want it.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
In other instances, Jack also remembered hearing the knocking, the voices,
and even footsteps. He said that his feet would be grabbed,
his covers pulled, doors would open and close on their own,
electronics would go on or off, and objects would move
on their own. At first, the twins said their parents

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would just comfort them and say it was a bad dream. Eventually, though,
their mom would say something like, oh, it's just Harry
the ghost again. He will go away. They slept in
their mom's bed for a long time because they were
scared at night. Guess who slept in her mom's bed
until I was in sixth grade? Why the did I
do that? Sixth grade?

Speaker 9 (35:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (35:26):
That's white.

Speaker 8 (35:29):
All the time. Oh, I like every time I say it,
I'm like, I know, I'm weird. Like that's why I don't.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I don't sleep good in a bed by myself at
all ever anymore. Even after that, me and my sister
shared a bed until I graduated high school.

Speaker 10 (35:43):
Like, not even kidding.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
I always need to be touching another person when I'm sleeping,
Like if Jesse doesn't come home or is out of
town or whatever, I sleep with the kids, I'm get
to my bed.

Speaker 10 (35:57):
So if you come visit me, ever, am I just
gonna have to get like a bunch of squish mollows?

Speaker 8 (36:02):
Ready? Yes, just build a body for you. Yeah?

Speaker 10 (36:08):
But why I myself.

Speaker 8 (36:11):
Deep rooted stuff in my brain.

Speaker 10 (36:14):
Maybe you have un dealt with trauma because you were
like peaked at by a floating alien person.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Oh my god, it gets so much worse than being
peaked at. Okay, that's oh.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
I don't want to.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
I'm scared.

Speaker 10 (36:33):
I don't want to.

Speaker 8 (36:34):
Not like a the ufologist asked the twins mother about Harry,
and she confirmed the events and even claimed to see
a ghost who was humanoid, glowingly white, in a long
robe and seemed to float right out of their closed
door after being spotted by her and her husband in
their bedroom. Gross crazy, and she was Catholic. She's like,

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oh yeah, I saw that ghost.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
Yes, She's like, oh yeah, sure, the normal night here
at her house happens all the time.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
The twins stopped seeing Harry the Ghost at age fifteen,
when Jack's final paranormal experience occurred. A glowing yellow orb
of light floated right into his kitchen window, where he
was passed him through the house and then out another window. Okay,

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Harry the Ghost wasn't the only paranormal thing that the
twins experienced as kids, though. Jim had experienced at least
one lost time instance as a child that he could remember.
He was sledding out on a hill and specifically remembered
leaving as soon as the sun started to set because
he knew he would be in trouble if he wasn't

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home for dinner, but somehow he was still very late.
Another weird, maybe paranormal thing that Jim recalled from childhood
was actually something he couldn't remember. His whole family remembered
the time that he went missing when he was young.
He had been outside playing in the snow and fell

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into a utility hole of some kind, where he was
eventually found almost frozen to death. Maybe his brain blocked
it out because it was too traumatic, but he says
he cannot remember it no matter how hard he tries. Oh.
After Catholic grade school in public high school, the twins.
The twins went on to college, Jim at Mansfield State

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College and Jack at Massachusetts College of Art, where he
met friends Chuck and Charlie, who would of course be
Jim's friends as well. Chuck Rack was born in January
of nineteen forty nine to a wealthy family in Massachusetts.
His dad, though, was abusive and his mom was an alcoholic.
Because of the wealth and likely the guilt, Chuck's dad

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took him to extravagant places as a teen, like England
and Germany and Italy. It's Chuck from Gossip Girl. Chuck
also seemed to have a bit of a paranormal childhood,
though not nearly as active as the twins. He only
remembered the scary encounters from the ages of four to six.

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He said he would feel a presence in his room
at night sometimes and thought he'd see little people that
were all white. He didn't know what they were doing
in his room, but he'd just go and sleep with
his parents when he got scared. He also had a
curious experience with a mofon investigator at the age of
twenty five in nineteen seventy four. He was in Vermont

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that year during a snowstorm when he saw a man
covered in blood walking down the side of the road.
He took the dazed man to the hospital, where he
made a full recovery, and Chuck checked in on him
at the hospital for a time. That is when he
learned that the man was a Moofon investigator and was
in the area investigating a strange occurrence at a farm

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with crop circles and men in black. But that's a
whole other episode for another day. Okay, this guy crashed
his car, That's why he was bloody.

Speaker 10 (40:09):
He's fine, but definitely unsettling timing m h like, thanks,
can't you see that we're going through some shit right now?
Could you not have crashed your car? Next Tuesday?

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Our final victim is Charlie. Charlie Fults was born in
January of nineteen fifty in Pennsylvania, but was raised on
a farm in Ohio. He had a happy, mundane childhood,
working on the farm with his dad and then working
on water pumps for the community with his dad. When
he was old enough, he joined the Navy for a
four year stint disposing of radioactive waste from the military's

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nuclear program. Charlie never experienced anything paranormal in his life
until the incident that we are going to talk about today.
But he did want to see something that he thought
might have been a UFO while he was in the Navy.
It was during a classified mission, so he couldn't give
much information away, but it was in nineteen seventy near Spain.

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He and the other crew saw a glowing orb type
thing hovering over them for a while before taking off,
as if it were just observing for a bit. All right,
so now let's get into the incident at hand, the
Alligash incident. Jack, Jack, Jim, Chuck, and Charlie planned a

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camping trip to the Alligash in Maine in nineteen seventy six.
The trip was for multiple days of camping as well
as hiking, canoeing, and fishing for their food. During the trip,
they drove all through the night Friday the twentieth to
get started on their adventure on Saturday. The trip started
out great. They recuperated Saturday, hiked all day Sunday. Tuesday night,

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the four friends, along with many other campers, were at
the campsite and noticed a strange ball of light in
the sky. It was so bright there for just a
minute and then blinked out of sight. Everyone at the campsite,
including strangers, seemed to be mesmerized by the ridiculously bright
light while it was there, pointing at it and talking

(42:14):
about it, but once it was gone, everyone went about
their night, assuming it must have been a planet that
was visible for just a bit, like sometimes they are.
This was fact checked later on, though, and it was
most likely not a planet. There was a planet that
was scheduled to be visible that night, but not that bright,
and not at the time that the four that these

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four and the other campers reported seeing that light. So
weird anyway. The next day was Wednesday, and the weather
had turned bad. It rained all day long and allowed
them to just relax at the camp site, but they
wanted to stick to their itinerary and were a bit
stressed that they couldn't canoe out to their next fishing hole. Thursday,
the twenty sixth, was sunny and beautiful, so they headed

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out early. They needed fish this day to replenish their storage,
but they weren't having any luck catching anything. Thursday night,
they decided to try their luck at night. Fishing out
in the wilderness surrounded by black waters at night would
be dangerous, though.

Speaker 10 (43:17):
So they made it a.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
So they made a huge fire, probably bigger than they
should have if they were being forest fire safe, but
big enough that they would know the way back to
their campsite when they were done fishing. All four of
them piled into just one canoe for this excursion as well,
because safety and numbers. While trying to find a spot

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out on the water, they saw that big ball of
light again, the one from Tuesday. The moon was new
with only two percent visibility on this day, so it
couldn't have been the moon, which is something I researched
myself because I was like, is it the moon?

Speaker 10 (43:57):
Though it's not, I mean so.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
Chuck saw the light first and he was immediately transfixed
by it. He said it was like a pulsating fluid
or plasma all around the sphere, changing colors from red
to green to yellow, hovering motionless and without sound. Eventually
the others turned and noticed as well, saying it was

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about the size of a house. Charlie, the military man,
held up a large flashlight for the group. Sorry held
the large flashlight for the group and decided to signal
at the thing, and then suddenly it began coming straight
towards them, turning on a beam of light that emanated

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from the bottom of the speed of the sphere like
a triangle, all the way to the water. The twins
and Charlie were terrified and began paddling the twins with
just their arms as fast as they could towards their
fire on shore. Chuck, though, was still transfixed in what

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seemed like a literal blink of an eye. The canoe
was at shore, and the men were watching the weird
ball of light float away until it blinked out, just
like the thing from Tuesday? Did you people? Because of
two I am not doing any of this on purpose, blankuai.

Speaker 10 (45:25):
She was not in my notes. That is the second
time I was like, she's doing.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
This, person not at all.

Speaker 10 (45:31):
Find another adjective. Oh, your your stories are always wonderful,
But I'm just like that that has to actually, you
know what, I've noticed a lot of serendipity though, and
stuff that we talk about on the sides and stuff
that it just works. It's fine, it does.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
The four friends now at shore were very calm and
very exhausted, maybe in chock. They noticed that the fire
was pretty much out, which was weird considering they had
been on the water for only like thirty minutes, but
they just wanted to sleep and didn't talk about it
again until twelve years later, when Jim found Ray Fowler

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at the convention and convinced his friend to let Ray
investigate what was happening in his nightmares and if it
was related to their sighting. Spoiler alert, it was. So
this is another thing that I have told you guys
before that I'm pretty sure I had a UFO siding.

Speaker 10 (46:34):
But every time I.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Tell it, I realized in the moment and even say, like, anyway,
we just didn't talk about it after that. I don't
know why why did we not talk about it after? Like?

Speaker 10 (46:45):
What the fuck happened? What a normal drive?

Speaker 8 (46:49):
So like we weren't even driving, we were walking.

Speaker 10 (46:53):
No, Oh, I was talking about when you were with
Jesse and that big shadow came over you guys.

Speaker 8 (46:57):
Oh yeah, no that on that one we talked about. No,
me and my friend when we saw the thing that
was possibly yeah listen, okay, for some reason, we're just like, oh,
that just happened, Okay, let's pretend like it didn't and
never talked about it again.

Speaker 10 (47:13):
I mean, I can't say I blame you like otherwise
you have to process it.

Speaker 8 (47:18):
Or keep listening. Oh no, So let's talk about their
hypnosis sessions. Each friend underwent hypnosis separately and without the
others present. Some of them underwent more than one session.
Chuck's session was the shortest. Remember he was the one
who claimed to be mesmerized in the canoe. But the

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author of this book later characterized Chuck as a macho
man type, and I think that sums it up perfectly.
Even under hypnosis, when he's talking about everything that happened,
he seemed to me to be very matter of fact.
This is what happened. I don't have any feelings about it. Charlie,
on the other hand, was very nervous for his session,

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and even during his session he told what he remembered,
but he did it with a lot of metaphors, kind
of like he was disassociating in a way that would
make it more sensible. Jack and Jim, though they went
all in, all the way, relaxed, all the way, opened up.
After piecing together what happened from each individual account, I

(48:21):
read from the book. This is the gist. Okay, this
is a very long book. I'm not going to read
every single person's I don't know if I want to read.

Speaker 10 (48:30):
Well, you told me to.

Speaker 8 (48:32):
Look at look at look at look at my.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
Oh shit, no book. The book a sticky note edition.
I will read it. I will definitely read it. Maybe
I'll steal it from you next time I see you, and.

Speaker 8 (48:51):
Uh, at least read my notes. I made like little
scared sad faces on a bunch of spots because I
was like, I don't want.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
To read this, you need to keep that so funny.

Speaker 8 (49:05):
In one of these that one of them, I literally wrote, oh,
where's it. I don't know how far I got into
the book, but in one of these notes, on one
of the there it is, I just thought, oh, that's
not it either. Anyway. In one of these spots, I wrote,
was I abducted?

Speaker 12 (49:27):
Like what the.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
So no, I'm excited. Anyway, I'll read the page and
they'll be like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm renting that one
from the Library of Sierra.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
I don't want the generic version. You have to get
the annotated one with all the scared sad faces.

Speaker 10 (49:51):
That's cute.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
Everywhere that's really cute. I have a bunch of underlines,
but when I was like, this entire paragraph scares me,
I just put a scared, sad face, like, oh.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
My god, that's pretty accurate. Your face just made the
accurate face for that.

Speaker 8 (50:08):
The four friends went onto the water to fish, but
before they even started, they saw the UFO. Then they
sicknubble it. It shot down a beam and they started
paddling as fast as they could away from it. After hypnosis,
they finally remembered they did not escape that beam. It
encapsulated them in its light. They all described this as

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like a tube or a tunnel, but being inside of
it was different for each of them. Chuck said that
he was getting drawn look ridiculous with the headphones on,
but oh yeah, scared you should be. Chuck said that
he was getting drawn up towards the ball, but couldn't
explain how. Jim said he didn't like the feeling of

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being in the tube. It looked like it was moving,
like when you blow smoke into light and it reflects it.

Speaker 10 (51:01):
Oh yeah, that's a very good descriptor well done, sir.
I picture that immediately.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
Charlie described basically being beamed up, saying that he could
see the canoe still on the water way down below him.

Speaker 10 (51:15):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
Jack said that the tube was like glass, but not glass,
and that it made him feel funny and come apart. Quote.
I'm screaming and my eyes are open real wide, and
my mouth is open real wide, and my tongue is
sticking out, and my ears are coming off, and I
feel like I'm thick. I feel like I'm thick. End quote.

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I don't what.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
I don't like that.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
No, I don't like any of this. I thought I
liked aliens. I thought we were friends.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
When I say I feel like I'm thick, it's like
I'm having a blody day.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Not whatever whatever this is. Once they were up on
the UFO, the four men felt paralyzed, but were one
at a time inspected by the beings who inhabited it.
They all four described the beings in almost the same way,
humanoid with arms and legs, big heads, small necks, fore

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fingers that were kind of claw, machine like, sheen, full
body suits. They had large black eyes that were described
as being bug like or almond shaped, dark or black
or the shiny color of a beetle. Hate that they
had no eyelids, but some inner membrane thing that sort

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of came together in a blanking motion, like frogs or birds.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
I hate that the most.

Speaker 8 (52:45):
They said. Either there were no ears or just holes
for ears, or just small bumps no nose or small
bump as a nose or small holes for a nose,
and no mouth you know colored volde like this is terrifying.
And no mouth were just a slit line as a
mouth like a turtle.

Speaker 10 (53:06):
Oh, every part of that. Basically I would have black. No,
I don't want to see.

Speaker 8 (53:13):
No, this wasn't their drawing.

Speaker 10 (53:15):
But I basically you gotta send me a picture of
that for.

Speaker 8 (53:20):
Oh, I'll send. I'll show you all of their drawings
if you want it.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
You got to send me pictures for the post. Hate it.

Speaker 8 (53:31):
Yeah, all of them are creepy.

Speaker 10 (53:32):
Theyd yes and terrify the rest of our listen.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
They said the beings didn't ever talk to each other,
but did make head moving and hand moving gestures that
seems like they were talking and understanding each other. They
also said that even though the beings never talked to them,
they did things that the beings wanted them to do,
including forgetting all of this because They just really felt

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like the beings wanted them to do certain things, and
if they didn't it would be bad. Okay. One of
the things that beings wanted them to do one by
one was get undressed completely naked.

Speaker 10 (54:15):
Why are they so permy and like interested in the
human body?

Speaker 8 (54:19):
Quote? They made me take it off. I just got
the impression that if I didn't do that, I was
going to be in trouble. End quote. All four men
remembered getting undressed and seeing each other get undressed. They
also remembered as they got undressed and then inspected, the
other three just sat on a bench and didn't help.

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But they also remember being on the bench and feeling
paralyzed and not being able to help.

Speaker 10 (54:44):
Okay, that's sad.

Speaker 8 (54:46):
So like at first they're like, why are my friends
helping me? And then they're like, oh wait, now I'm
sitting down and I can't help.

Speaker 10 (54:52):
I want to help, but I can't help. Yeah. I
don't like that. That's like sleep paralysis, yes, but you can't.

Speaker 8 (55:00):
Drink your sweet dreams. Don't wake up. Don't wake up tonight.

Speaker 10 (55:05):
I hope I don't. No, thank you.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Jack said that they lifted his head up by the
chin really far and inspected his neck. When the being
touched his wrist, he said, it felt like caterpillars. It
doesn't get better, It doesn't get better. They lifted his
arm up and inspected it. They used some sort of
metal rod to scrape and scoop under his arms, the

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backs of his knees and his calves, and between his thighs.
Then they walked him over to a machine that seems
like it was in a doctor's office. The machine was
over top of Jack, sort of like a tray, just
above his chest, which meant that he couldn't really see
what was happening to the lower part of his body. Yeah,

(55:54):
but he could feel it. Quote they're touching my penis.
They put something on it. I can feel it. It's
going in. I don't like it. I'm peeing. I can't stop.
It's hurting. End Quote what a catheter.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
Had the poor man? Oh?

Speaker 8 (56:13):
Next, he stood up again and felt that the beings
were telling him everything would be okay. Quote. In Jim's
hypnosis session, he said that the beings seemed interested in
the fact that he and Jack looked exactly alike. He
also remembered watching these things happen to his brother Jack.

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So like first one of them was questioned and then
the other one was and and the other one not sorry,
not questioned, but under hypnosis. Yeah, the other one would
say I saw this and this and this happened to him,
when he just said I saw this and this and
this happened to me, you know what I mean, Like
they're collaborating.

Speaker 10 (56:51):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
Most of what happened to Jack help happened to Jim
as well. Things but the arms. Then they inspected his genitals.
The hypnotist asked Jim what it felt like when the
beings touched him, and Jim said, like bugs. It's so bad.

Speaker 10 (57:14):
It's bad bugs. I'm immediately out that they have beetle
like skin. I hate it.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
It's just it's disgusting. And if you think about the
representation of a giant alien head on a skinny neck,
it's kind of like an ant. It's like a bug.
They're like bugs.

Speaker 10 (57:36):
I'm gonna vomit.

Speaker 8 (57:38):
It's disgusting. I'm sorry, aliens. I think I don't know,
Maybe I'm not. Maybe you're assholes.

Speaker 10 (57:47):
Yeah, well you're non consenting but putting up things. Right now,
I'm so frazzled. Oh, also like what probing stories do
we ever here? That's like consensual? But also yeah, yeah,
family doesn't like it either, Guys.

Speaker 8 (58:06):
I know he won't shut up. So Jim wasn't compliant
at first, and he said that the beings poked him
in his ribs when he didn't listen. Okay, but I
just want to point out that this is happening in
nineteen seventy six. Jim did not have his fall which
caused tlee until two years later in nineteen seventy eight,

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and then two years after that is when he started
dreaming about weird things. So this is not a oh,
this is all a hallucination because you have tl He
didn't fall for two more years.

Speaker 10 (58:41):
No, I think he had repressed trauma that after his
fall recessed.

Speaker 8 (58:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he did let slip during his
hypnosis that he believes he was visited again in nineteen eighty.
But we'll get to that in a little bit. First,
we need to talk about what happened to Chuck and Charlie.

Speaker 10 (59:00):
Oh do we have to?

Speaker 8 (59:02):
There's four of them.

Speaker 10 (59:03):
It was horrible. I'm so sorry for you.

Speaker 8 (59:05):
It is horrible. When it was Charlie's turn for hypnosis.
It was hard for him to remember much because he
was scared in the actual moment. He remembered not wanting
to open his eyes while he was being observed by
the beings of the UFO. Thankfully, he did at least
a few times, and the hypnotist was able to get
a lot out of those times as well as his feelings.

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He remembered seeing the examination of both Jack and Jim,
and then after much deep, deep relaxation, he finally remembered
being examined himself. He said the beings took skin samples,
swabbed his mouth, took blood from his neck, took urine feces, hair,
fingernail and toenail clippings. He said, they scraped the insides

(59:51):
of his thighs and his groin.

Speaker 10 (59:54):
I mean, this is an uncomfortable thing in a medical
setting as it is, Yeah, but this is non concent
You're not knowing what's happening, and it's like bug like people.

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
Like, yeah, this is like monsters awful again with the bugs.
Why do they all mention bugs.

Speaker 10 (01:00:15):
Because that's like the only thing as humans we have
that's similar enough to like.

Speaker 8 (01:00:19):
But the thing that freaks me out is if if
they're all mentioning it. It's gotta be true. Aliens feel
like bugs. That's gross.

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
All aliens though, right, Like you gotta think of like
different the ocean aliens, right, the ones that look like
they're wearing wetsuits, I'll take yeah, the.

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
Ones that are probably octopuses, the ones that are scale free.
You read remarkably bright creatures, right, No, not yet? Oh
my god, it's cute.

Speaker 10 (01:00:53):
I want to read it.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
It is so cute. And if aliens are like that,
that's what I want.

Speaker 10 (01:01:00):
Anyway. Put my vote in on what type of alien
abducks me thinks so much?

Speaker 8 (01:01:03):
Please please. Chuck then remembers being taken to the bench
and watching all of his friends have things done to
them that they've already described. Chuck must have been the
first one to be examined. After the examinations are over,
they remember being escorted back toward the tube thing and

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then going through it and being back in the canoe,
which was now near the edge of the shore. The
beings told each of them not to remember the incidents
that had just occurred, and that seems to be why
they didn't discuss it when they got back. Also, the
fire they had built was almost out because they had
been inside the UFO for hours.

Speaker 13 (01:01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
Also like full body examinations, but in one spot.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Yeah. During the hypnosis sessions, the hypnotists asked leading questions
at the end in order to know where to take
the questioning to next time. They asked Chuck if he
had ever seen the entities before, and this is how
we learned of his childhood quote unquote ghost that I
explained earlier. Not a ghost, after all.

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
That's somehow worse to know that they can float over
you like that. Yeah, I'm out on every single part
of this.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
It still gets worse if you believed on here. Jim's
paranormal events were also examined deeper under hypnosis. He was
able to remember the time he fell into the hole,
and also remembered that while he was down there, the
beings were up above, just looking down at him. He

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didn't say that they put him there, though, just that
they watched as he begged them without words for help.
It's possible that they did put him there as a
way to explain the fact that he was missing when
they realized that people were looking for him. Maybe he
just can't remember what they did to him before he
ended up in the hole because their memory erasure or
whatever they do worked better, or in this incident, they're.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Convincing you to not talk about it with anyone.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
Yeah. He also remembered why he had missing time after
the sledding trip when he was about ten years old,
and that one he remembered a lot from. So as
he was walking home, he saw UFO and then was
pulled up by it quote I think it really. I
think it pulled me somehow. It's just a feeling of

(01:03:24):
a suddenly exploding, like it was pulling me apart, and
then I was inside of something end quote. So it's like,
you know how when you watch like I don't know,
any space show in it, it looks like particle movement. Yeah,
but literally like they're describing Yeah, not like you're floating

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like you are, you're particles.

Speaker 10 (01:03:47):
You're being apart and going yeah, I don't like it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:51):
I don't like that either.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
I think that I thought that that's what happened when
you got beamed up, because sometimes in movies when you
get beamed up from a light, it's like you're.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Like, yeah, I like it better when they're just like
cows and the like, yeah, like flying cow flying cows.

Speaker 10 (01:04:08):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
So the hymnasists also asked each of the men under
hypnosis if they could remember seeing the beings after the
Alligash incident. Charlie remembered what he thought was a dream
he had in nineteen eighty nine about the same beings
coming into Jack's house when he was staying the night there.
But Charlie said after seeing them, he just went back

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to sleep. They were there for Jack, not him. He's like, sorry, friend,
this is about you. This is between you and the aliens.
Chuck never had another experience, however, his wife told him
that once in the middle of the night, she got
creeped out by a bright light, and Chuck sleepily told
her to just relax. It's only the aliens, no longer

(01:04:54):
a comforting statement. Jack continues to have what he thought
were dreams about the aliens, which of course turned out
to be obductions, and they continue to probe and prod him.
This time it's done with a rod that he says
is made of crystal, or maybe water, but hard water.

(01:05:15):
They put it in his eye, his nose, his mouth,
and it tastes like when you have tinfoil in your mouth,
which is just clingy, like goosebumps, you know, like like, ugh.

Speaker 10 (01:05:30):
Am I allowed to leave? I have to be here
for the rest of this episode. You have to. Oh okay,
you said it in his eye. I was already out,
and then you added like tinfoil and I'm like, what
is that?

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
What is that? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
What my eyes? I'm not crying if anyone's watching this,
I'm just very distressed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
Jim had many more experiences after the Algash incident, including
the dreams that led him to finding Ray Fowler at
the UF Symposium. The aliens followed him everywhere Jim traveled
for work, and through hypnosis, he was able to recall
them visiting him all over America, Boston, Texas, and even California,

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always while he was sleeping. After all the visiting, these
four victims still deal with this reality every day. Chuck
had multiple strangers on his property in nineteen ninety that
couldn't be explained or had terrible excuses for being there,
including an unmarked helicopter hovering overhead real men in black type.

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Jack was there with him for some of these experiences.
Chuck has since lost contact with the other three Now.
He did an interview in twenty sixteen, in which he
said he was lying about it all. However, he and
all three men did do a polygraph in nineteen ninety
three and pass them. Not that those are super hard
to fake, but it would seem hard for all four

(01:06:58):
of them to lie and say the same things. Charlie
has a lasting pocket like scoop scar on the inside
of his thigh. He believes that he was visited again
in nineteen ninety five and underwent hypnosis with another ufologist,
but another story for another day. He now travels and

(01:07:18):
talks on panels at Muffon events. Jack had a weird
growth removed from his leg in nineteen eighty one that
the doctors couldn't identify and actually sent off for testing
at the Air Force, even though Jack had never been
in the military, the Air Force doctor said. The Air
Force doctor said they were just helping out because the

(01:07:39):
state hospitals were backed up. It's not a big deal.

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
Sure, sure.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
He and his wife Mary were also are also hearing
humming or buzzing sounds randomly everywhere they go. Hey, guess
who else does that? Fucking me? Dude?

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
Maybe it's ounce tonight, it's yeah, aliens, Okay, you need
to go to a therapist. I know, I feel like
you need to go talk with them, but I'm scared too.

Speaker 13 (01:08:10):
I know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:11):
I love you. I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:08:13):
He and Jim did an interview in twenty fifteen, and
Jim also mentioned hearing the hum Both twins still get
visits at nights sometimes, but they feel differently about them.
Jim says he wakes up in the middle of the
night he can sometimes feel a malevolent present. Jack, on
the other hand, said, quote, the last time they visited,

(01:08:36):
they showed me our galaxy and said there was this
advanced civilization there who get energy from unconditional love. And
he touched me, and I felt.

Speaker 10 (01:08:48):
Love like rape is not unconditional love. Just like to
make this announcement on our ship right now. Not unconditional love.
This is abuser talk.

Speaker 8 (01:09:00):
And he touched me and I felt love like you
love your wife or you love your mother. But time's
a kajillion And he said to me, you're ready And
I said, what am I ready for? And he said,
when the time comes, you will know. And then I
woke up and I cried.

Speaker 10 (01:09:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:09:21):
Well, when he was saying it, he said, he cried
happy tears. Yeah, Jim. Jim is like, I'm being freaking
raped and this is terrifying. Jack is like, this is awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:09:36):
They're showing the full twin test experience. They're like, let's
see how they react to two different they were just
fucking doing a twin study.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
It's so weird. So that's that. That's the Alegash abduction.
I have to tell you about this picture.

Speaker 10 (01:09:53):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
So I read this whole book cover to cover, like
the whole thing. I read all of it all right.
On this one random page, there's a picture with a
little caption here. Okay, then and I circled it and wrote,
what because nowhere in this entire book, cover to cover,
nowhere is the mentioned No. This is a photo of

(01:10:19):
four people standing and one person down here on the ground,
which I'll show you closer in a second. And it
says the Aligash four plus one from left to right
in the back, Charlie Foltz, Chuck Rack, and the Wiener Twins.
Seated man came out of the woods, stayed for a while,

(01:10:39):
left and never gave his name. What what's happening here?

Speaker 10 (01:10:51):
He just came out. He just came out for a photo.

Speaker 8 (01:10:56):
Is he an alien. Is he from the future the past? Oh,
the Gizzy.

Speaker 10 (01:11:04):
That's like a lot older than them in the future.
And he's just like blipped back to be like, what's up.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
I don't understand, And it's not they don't know about
this picture at all in this fucking three hundred and
forty seven page book.

Speaker 10 (01:11:25):
I love the.

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
What I don't I don't know this. This is the
Algas Abductions, Undeniable Evidence of Alien Intervention by Raymond E. Fowler.
And this is a scary book, but it was an
adventure for sure.

Speaker 10 (01:11:46):
That's just like out of all of the horrors that
happened throughout this book. And then they're like, oh, yeah,
we met this guy.

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
This random fucking dude, no one knows his name. He
just sat in front of us.

Speaker 10 (01:12:01):
Yeah, he was just like, oh, you guys are taking
a photo, okay.

Speaker 14 (01:12:06):
Why It's like, you don't want to be rude when
you're taking photos, especially when you don't know people, but
you want to take photos with like your people too, right,
And this was one of those moments where they're like, well,
I guess you're just here.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Yeah. And it's from nineteen seventy four, so it's not
like they.

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
Have we got limited photos? Yeah, we got a phone.
We can take a whole bunch. Yeah. Oh no, they
had that. It was like before the wind and snaps
that we had good.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Yeah. They probably asked that guy to take the picture
and he's like I got this and like set it
up and then was like he.

Speaker 10 (01:12:43):
Like misunderstood right right, cutting it out there, Like what
do we say? They don't want to be rude.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Like the other thing is seated. Man came out of
the woods, I know, staying in a little while left,
never gave his name. It's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Monsters do have their place in the zoo, in your nightmares,
in the deep, in your favorite horror movies, but not
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(01:13:33):
that we have very limited control over the ads you
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(01:13:53):
seeks to promote hatred, anti American or anti democratic sentiments,
or the spread of misinformation. Now with that in mind,
October Pod will return after this brief ad break. It's

(01:14:16):
center mission time, folks. I'm your host, mister Edward October,
and I'm here to share with you a few of
my favorite things that are best enjoyed in the early
days of spooky season. Pumpkin spice lattes.

Speaker 8 (01:14:35):
Oh, this coffee is criminal.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Honey, you killed a petunias, then you admit it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:42):
Your coffee really is murder.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
No, I'm not a coffee drinker. Yes, Starbucks is evil,
and yes, PSLs are a very basic thing to get
excited about. Still, they're one of the earliest harbingers of
the spooky season. This year, they returned to the ubiquitous
chain coffee shops on August twenty six, and Cousin, believe

(01:15:05):
me when I tell you that missus October's addiction to
this caffeinated, gourd flavored potable is so acute that PSL
Day is held in high regard and celebrated with both
ghoulish delight and solemn gratitude. Octoberfest. This may seem out

(01:15:26):
of left field, but to me Octoberfest is as integral
to the overall vibe of spooky season as the inevitable
annual invasion of the spirit Halloween locations, which steadily inexorably
invaded and possess the hollow corpselike husks of bygone office depot, Torzaras, Sears,

(01:15:48):
Peer One, and party city stores. Octoberfest, the renowned German
beer festival, takes place in mid September and holds a
special place in my heart. Explain. Years ago I hosted
a dinner at a movie party that involved driving out
after the evening meal to see a Halloween night showing

(01:16:09):
of the German silent film masterpiece Nosferatu on the big
screen with live musical accompaniment. Oh, it was quite a night.
And what else could I serve for dinner but a
menu full of Octoberfest inspired German favorites. And every Halloween
since then, I've served up a big mess of broad

(01:16:29):
versed Vice versa Knock Verst Curry versed and Frankfurter's with sauerkow.
I make mine with red cabbage and beer. It is
because of this tradition that the rich flavors and funky
beer meets cabbage aromas of Octoberfest will forever remind me
of Halloween, but that's just my tradition. Celebrate Octoberfest in

(01:16:52):
September like a normal person, and you'll have recovered from
your hangover just in time for all hows Eve.

Speaker 15 (01:17:02):
To be completely safe. Save your treats until you get home,
then ask your parents to help you check them carefully
to make sure that there's nothing in them or on
them that could hurt you. The safest treats are usually
candy or gum that come in their own wrappers from
the factory, and all candy bars and fruit should be
sliced so you can be certain that there is nothing

(01:17:24):
harder sharp inside that could hurt you. If you're not
sure whether something is safe or not, don't take any
chances throw it away.

Speaker 16 (01:17:33):
By now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Of course, you can find Halloween candy by the hundredweight
at any greengrocer, five and dime, pharmacy, or big box store.
Conventional wisdom states that wise shoppers will wait until November
one to buy their Halloween candy so that it can
be gotten at a deep discount. Horseshit says I, So

(01:17:53):
you wait until all the trigger treating's done and buy
your candy at a discount, And then what do you
buy it just for yourself to eat if so valid,
or do you plan on storing it all year long
to be handed out next Halloween. Any miserable soul who

(01:18:14):
hatches such a scheme has forgotten the face of his father.
As the Gunslinger would say, in the first place, the
discounts to be had on All Saints Day aren't all
that deep. Sure, there's plenty of unsold fun sized Snickers,
Gummy Nerds, bite sized Three Musketeers, Pumpkin Patch sour Patch kids,
and they're still good, mister Goodbar's to be had, but

(01:18:36):
you'll find the mark down to be twenty five percent
off at best if you want to get them for
a steal, And if you're considering a scheme like this,
of course you want them for a steal, then you'll
have to wait until damn near Thanksgiving, when the stores
are practically begging you to take them off their shelves,
and by then you're only getting the dregs of the dregs.

(01:18:57):
The experimental, never before tried first time in stores treats
that limped their way to market and were met by
money minding moms with a massive mah, and now you
can't give them away. Secondly, if you hang onto this candy,
untouched and unspoiled, in the closet under the stairs, for
a whole year, they won't be fit to hand out

(01:19:20):
to your friends and neighbors. Sure the best by day
it is a year or more away, and candy is
shelf stable enough, but they're not Soviet MREs. Anything that
sits in plastic, especially chocolate that's sharing a container with
something fruity like starbursts, will start to taste stale and artificial,

(01:19:43):
maybe even taking on the flavors of whatever's stored next
to it. And any trick or treating tot or masquerading
Mummer worth their salt will know that a cheapskate filled
their treat sacks. Don't be a geezer ebenezer on Halloween.
If you're too tight to pay a top dollar for
fresh candy, then simply turn off your porch like this Halloween.

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And if you want to repent for your past misdeeds
of handing out candy bought last October, or worse still,
last year's left over Christmas candies, then appease the kiddies
and the Halloween spirits alike by handing out full sized
chocolate bars. This year, Franken.

Speaker 17 (01:20:23):
Betty has Strawberry, Count Chucking, Lize Chocolate Sweeting and Coolberry
Queetenberry Flea We're Sweetie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Monster Cereals. Like Halloween candy, you'll see boxes of Frankenberry,
Booberry and Count Chocula popping up well before Labor Day.
And like Halloween candy, they'll sit on the quick sale
discount shelves until the stress and the crawling madness of
Christmas shopping has thoroughly taken its hold on the brains
of us poor sinners. For this reason, it's a smart

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play to buy it up after Halloween when it's cheap.
Damn if I'm not a sucker for those cereals and
I eat them all through the spooky season. For the
past few years they've tried to give us something new.
One year, they brought back defunct monster cereals Fruit Fruit
and Yummy Mummy. Last year they introduced a new cereal,

(01:21:17):
the caramel apple flavored Carmela Creeper. This year, the Monster
Cereals have teamed up with Jim Hinson Studios to produce
boxes featuring adorable muppet versions of Count Chocola, Frankenberry, and Booberry.
I have already purchased two boxes of these cereals, and

(01:21:38):
I plan on lovingly preserving the empty boxes and maybe
even framing them, because that's the kind of dork I am.
Listen to an October pod from last season entitled Satan's
Bed and Breakfast if you want to hear me pontificate
even more about monster cereals, chilling thrilling sounds, and diverture

(01:22:00):
jack o lanterns.

Speaker 17 (01:22:03):
You're ringing new your belfern.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
One of my oldest and most cherish memories of the
Halloween season is of going to the library and checking
out a vinyl record set called Disney's Chilling Thrilling Sounds
of a Haunted House, running home to our creaky old
house across from the post office, placing the record on
the turntable of my portable Dukes of Hazard record player,

(01:22:36):
and luxuriating in the sounds of thunder, clanking chains, moaning
lonesome ghosts and pissed off alley cats, while dried leaves
and naked tree branches scraped against the window beneath a
clear blue sky on a crisp, blustery autumn afternoon. Now,
of course, you can find just about any Halloween sound

(01:22:59):
effects record produced in digital form thanks to platforms like YouTube,
and there were some real cracker jacks back in the day.
Even Martha Stewart, of all people, put out her own
Martha Stewart Living branded Halloween sound Effects CD. Hallmark had
a pretty good one too, as I recall on cassette tape.

(01:23:20):
Several oh maybe ten or fifteen years ago, Target produced
a CD and DVD set with a name so generic
I can't remember what it was called. In any event,
the CD was filled with all the usual sound effects
and needle drops of creepy classics like box taccata and
fugue in c minor, Swan Lake, funeral, March for a Marionette,

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et cetera, et cetera. But the DVD was like a
virtual fireplace of ambient Halloween scenes to play in the
background during a Halloween party or some such. This DVD
had a few scenes cute jack o' lanterns, a scary
jack o lantern, a witch's cauldron, and a creepy ticking
clock inside a haunted house. Of course, you can get

(01:24:08):
these types of videos buy the gross and for free
on YouTube. If you're a Shutter subscriber, you can even
enjoy their annual Google log Virtual jack a Lantern, each
one highly themed, directed by a different horror filmmaker, and
usually chock full of Easter eggs that monster kids will love.

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But these types of videos aren't just for Halloween parties.
I love to throw one on while reading, writing, or
editing a podcast. If it's still September and the leaves
are nowhere near close to turning orange, give one of
these videos a spin while you're doing the dishes, folding
the laundry, or making the bed, to give even the

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most joyless and mundane tasks a spark of spooky seasonal joy.
If you go to our YouTube channel, you'll see a
handful of videos entitled Pirate Pumpkins, Retro jack O Lantern Ambience,
and Lo Fi cryptop which are our approximations of Virtual
Jacko Lantern videos. Why not check them out. I'll try

(01:25:14):
to put links to them down in the show notes.
Remember at the top of the show when I said
that I had a big announcement. It's in regard to
this year's October Pod Halloween special. Here at the Retro
Horror Podcast for bold Individualists. We pride ourselves with bringing
the finest classics of thrilling literature to your ears, narrated

(01:25:36):
by your favorite voices from the world of indie podcasting.
Last year, we brought you a visionary new retelling of
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Before that, we presented The Spirit Doll,
which was our version of the Nutcracker retold for the
Halloween season. This year, we're bringing you as sequel to
what is perhaps the ultimate Halloween story, Washington, Irving's, The

(01:26:00):
Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Tune in to October Pod on Tuesday,
October twenty eighth to hear our Halloween special for twenty
twenty five, The Brides of Sleepy Hollow. Well, Folks, the

(01:26:22):
popcorn popper is all popped out, and now the soda
fountain is all out of Shasta Royal, Crown Cola tab
and grape Crush. Intermission time is over and our spooky
season launch party is settling down. Let's turn it over
to NICKI Young, the serial napper herself, for the conclusion
of October Pod. Until next time, stay spooky as I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:26:50):
Hey.

Speaker 9 (01:26:51):
Everyone, my name is Nikki Young and this is Cereal Napper,
the true crime podcast for NAPS. I'm back with another
their true crime story to lull you to sleep, or
perhaps to give you nightmares. Hidden deep within the desolate
Chattahoochee National Forest sits the haunting remains of Corpsewood Manor,

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a hand built brick mansion with a dark history, Its name,
given by its former owner and builder, doctor Charles Scudder,
is ominous. Corpsewood Manner was supposed to be a sanctuary
for doctor Scudder and his partner, far removed from the
chaos of their busy city lives. However, in December of

(01:27:33):
nineteen eighty two, their dreams of living a quiet life
nestled away in the isolated woods would turn into a nightmare.
The couple and their tubul of dogs would be brutally
murdered during a botched robbery attempt. The grizzly details of
the crime shocked the local community and drew widespread media attention. However,

(01:27:56):
the public narrative it quickly spiraled into something much darker,
as whispers about doctor Scudder's interest in Satanism and sex
parties came to light. Even today, as it sits in ruins.
Corpsewood Manner has been a source of speculation and rumors
about paranormal disturbances and dark entities that refuse to leave.

(01:28:20):
It's said to be cursed, and in turn, anyone who
dares to take even a brick from the crumbling mansion
risks being damned. So dim the lights, put your phone
down and listen to the story of Corpsewood Manner, the
brutal night of terror experienced by its occupants, and the
dark reputation that this location still holds to this day.

(01:28:44):
So let's jump right in. Corpsewood Manner could only be
dreamed up by a man just as unique as it is.
Doctor Charles Scudder fits the bill. Born on October sixth,
nineteen twenty six in Wisconsin, Charles studied on array of
subjects at Oberlin College, including zoology and languages. However, he

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ultimately decided to focus on pharmacology and earned a PhD
in the field. While in college, he met his first wife,
a woman named Helen Kilbourne Hayslett. However, it was a
very brief marriage, lasting only a few years before they divorced.
In the fifties. He would marry his second wife, bore
Tie Bunting, and together they would have four sons. In

(01:29:30):
the sixties, he worked at Loyola University as an associate
professor for pharmacology. For those like myself who have no
clue what a pharmacologist does, it's a really neat job.
They're scientists who research the ways that drugs and chemicals
interact with living beings. It's a really important job because
they're the ones who research, develop and test new drugs

(01:29:52):
that can be used to treat diseases. At the university,
he not only taught students, but it's rumored that much
of Carl's work included experiments using drugs like LSD and
how these mind altering substances affect human behavior. He's been
described by some as eccentric, even owning a pet monkey.

(01:30:14):
He walked around with purple hair, not something that you
typically see a scientist in the sixties rocking. But he
was also described as brilliant, polished, and soft spoken. In
his spare time, he loved to play the harp, but
it was more than just a hobby. He was incredibly talented,
and he was even invited to play with the Chicago

(01:30:35):
Symphony Orchestra. Charles lived in a mansion with his wife
and children in Chicago. They had a housekeeper named Joseph
odom and while Joseph was about twelve years younger than Charles,
the two became particularly close. It was while Joseph was
working for the family that Charles began to explore his

(01:30:56):
sexuality more, realizing that he was actually interested in men. Still,
he stayed in his marriage until his children were grown
and moved out of the home before divorcing his wife.
Now it was just Charles and Joseph living in this
mansion in Chicago. They were an unlikely pair. Joseph had

(01:31:17):
achieved a Grade five education, yet he was more worldly
than Charles was. He had experienced much more of life,
and Charles found this to be captivating. As time went on,
Charles became despondent with how his life in his career
was going. He was tired of the mundane routine of
living just to work and pay the bills. He was

(01:31:40):
sick of the city, and he didn't want to just
waste away, especially because that is exactly what he had
seen happen with his neighbor, who basically disintegrated into quote
an urban ghetto in nineteen seventy six, his mother died
and he received an inheritance which would allow Charles to
build the light that he had always wanted, far away

(01:32:03):
from the stresses of the city. On his fiftieth birthday,
he quit his job at the university and he began
looking for a new place to live, somewhere in the
country where he and Joseph could call home. They wanted
somewhere really private, secluded, surrounded by trees, and they settled

(01:32:23):
on forty acres of land located in the Chattahoochee National
Forest in Georgia. While they built their dream mansion brick
by brick, they enjoyed living in a camper on the
property with their two dogs, Beaeselbub and Arsonath. Charles documented
the rebuilding of his life by penning an article in
the April and May edition of Mother Earth News where

(01:32:45):
he wrote quote, after some soul searching conversations with Joe,
I decided that we really needed to find someplace in
hilly country with the glamour of four seasons but without
super cold winters, with a good supply of pure water
and wood for heating and cooking, and most important, with
a measure of isolation. After years of enduring the sensory

(01:33:10):
overload of city life. I desperately wanted to be situated
where I could neither see nor hear my neighbors, And honestly,
yeah same. The road leading to their new home would
be called dead Horse Road, and Charles would say it
was because he had found a dead horse blocking the
entrance when they first arrived at the property. I personally

(01:33:33):
would have probably seen this as a bad omen and
packed up and left. However they did not. Actually, they
kind of leaned into how eerie the property was. It
was completely surrounded by trees, trees that completely silenced any
outside sound, but in the autumn, those same trees looked

(01:33:53):
hauntingly bare. Charles felt like it was the perfect location
to build his dream home named Corpsewood Manor. There was
no running water or electricity at the property. They were
basically living off the grid before it was cool, but
this didn't stop the couple from handbuilding their odd looking house,

(01:34:14):
which looked like a mini castle. Charles and Joseph constructed
Corpsewood Manor by hand laying forty five thousand bricks, digging trenches,
installing a drainage system, and an outhouse. During the first year,
they built the first floor of the home, which allowed
them to move out of their camper. This included a kitchen,

(01:34:34):
a dining room, and a living room, so it wasn't
anything crazy. During the second year, they built the second floor,
which included two bedrooms, which was reachable by a circular stairwell.
They installed stained glass, some featuring human skulls and one
which featured an image of a recognizable figure in the

(01:34:55):
Church of Satan, a prophet called Bathomein you've likely seen
to picture of Bafomet before. He has the head of
a goat and he has a torch between his horns.
He also has a pentagram on his forehead. He's got wings,
and he's giving a two finger salute. Two fingers on
the right hand point up and two on the left
hand point down, meaning as above so below. Charles was

(01:35:19):
an official member of the Church of Satan. It's important
to note here that those who are a part of
the Church of Satan, they don't worship Satan. They're not Satanists.
They don't worship Satan or any other kind of God.
They're focused more on their own desires, and Charles really
related to those beliefs, which is why he built corpsewood
manner in the first place. The front of the home

(01:35:42):
was adorned by a pink gargoyle, one of the only
things that he brought with him from his old mansion
in Chicago. It also had bright red doors over the gazebo.
He loved Gothic design, so the whole manner was filled
with occult items. There were four two jeminees that stuck
out of the manor, with each decorated with a pentacle.

(01:36:05):
He also had several paintings that I guess you could
say are kind of dark, including a portrait of himself
where he was bound and bloody with what appeared to
be bullet holes in his head. And this will become
important in a little bit. It's rumored that when he
left Loyola University, he took with him two human skulls,

(01:36:26):
which he also used as decoration at Corpse with Manor.
And that's not all he took. It's alleged that he
stole around twelve hundred doses of LSD, which he would
use during drug fueled sex parties at the manor. But
we're not quite there yet.

Speaker 10 (01:36:43):
I found it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
It was a.

Speaker 17 (01:36:47):
Very different from anything I ever seen, and had the
medieval look of a fortress. Some of the objects in
the rooms, such as a humans go on the desk, miniture,
skulls across the professor's bed, the satanic pin tangle, the

(01:37:10):
skull window in one of the walls, the gargoyle shaped
mirror in the professor's bedroom, then the big gargoyle out
front over the gazebo, the gargoyle faces, and the pentangles
on the chimneys and on the outbuildings made me know.

(01:37:34):
And some of the books that was in the bookcase
all pointed satanic worship and to homosexual acts, which was
all over the house, in the house and in the
chicken house or play room.

Speaker 9 (01:37:49):
Beside the brick home, Charles built a chemical outhouse, a well,
a lake, and several outbuildings, including a three story chicken coop.
Now this this was not your ordinary chicken coop. The
first floor had what you might imagine chickens and some
food storage. The second floor was for canned goods, but

(01:38:11):
it's also alled to This is where Charles kept some
of his porn. The third floor, only accessible by a ladder,
was called the pink room, and a whole lot of
things went down in the pink Room. This room was
also known as their pleasure chamber, and this is where
they would I guess you could say, entertain guests. The

(01:38:32):
pink room had pink curtains and linen. There were mattresses,
sex toys, candles, and a guest book of names who
had visited the pink Room and what kind of things
they enjoyed. As you can imagine these two men moving
into this small southern town and then building this strange
brick building, it caught a lot of attention. People were

(01:38:55):
very curious about what was happening deep in the forest
at this property, so they had strangers pulling up trying
to catch a glimpse all the time. It really wasn't safe,
especially for two gay men living together in the seventies
in the South. At the entrance of their property, they
put up a wooden sign that read beware of the Thing.

(01:39:19):
Some townfolk believed that this meant they had summoned a
demon to patrol their property, but the thing was more
likely one of their large guard dogs, beesel Bub and Arsenath.
Charles and Joseph tried to make friends with the townspeople
and generally they were very much liked. They would go
into town a couple of times a month, and here

(01:39:41):
they would often invite guests over to Corpsewood Manner for
dinner and drinks. Joseph enjoyed cooking, while Charles enjoyed pouring
glasses of their homemade wine. Sometimes after dinner, the party
would continue over in the Pink Room, where there was
more wine, drug and a judgment free zone for people

(01:40:02):
to live out their sexual fantasies. What happened in the
pink Room stayed in the Pink Room. It's pretty easy
to see how rumors began to swirl about the two
gay Satanists who hosted sex parties at their castle in
the forest. How much of the rumors were true is
difficult to say. Besides the townfolk who would come by

(01:40:23):
out of pure curiosity, some would stop by to ask
for permission to hunt on the property that surrounded Corpse
of Manor. One of these hunters was a seventeen year
old boy named Avery Brock. Avery had a pretty difficult upbringing.
He had been kicked out of his parents' home at
a pretty early age, and he was now living in

(01:40:44):
a trailer with a much older roommate, thirty year old
Tony West, who was a felon and a bad influence.
I read different stories about Avery's relationship with Charles and Joseph.
Some sources say that they were only acquaintances because Avery
was given permission to hunt on the land, while other

(01:41:05):
sources say that the young boy would join them in
the pink room. Either way, the lifestyle that the two
men led had Avery believing that they were much more
wealthy than they were. They had this huge brick castle
that was just filled with a ton of furniture and
cool statues and arts. Truthfully, all of Charles's money was

(01:41:28):
tied up in the property. Beyond that, he didn't have much.
But to this young boy looking around at the castle
like building, well, he thought that they had to be
really rich. So Avery told his roommate Tony all about
the two men and their lavish lifestyle, and the two
came up with a plan to rob them. Corpsewood Manor

(01:41:50):
was located in an isolated location, meaning no one would
hear the men calling out for help. However, they did
also own two very large masks, so if they wanted
to rob these guys, they would likely need weapons. On
December twelfth, nineteen eighty two, Avery and Tony picked up
a set of rifles from Avery's mother's house, telling her

(01:42:12):
that they were going to be going rabbit hunting. Then
they went and picked up two other teenagers, Joey Wells
and Teresa Hudgens, who were both unaware of the plan
that was about to play out. They all made their
way over to Corpsewood Manor, saying that they were going
to be going to this devil worshiping house, and they
huffed something that they called toudeloo, which is a homemade

(01:42:34):
combination of alcohol, paint, dinner, and glue. It was something
popular for the kids at the time to sniff and
get high for cheap. When they arrived at the property,
the group of teens shared a cigarette with Charles and
then they were invited up to the pink room for
a drink. They all sat around chatting for a bit
and drinking some homemade wine when Avery said that he

(01:42:56):
needed to go grab more tou toulou from the car. Instead,
he grabbed his rifle from the trunk. When Avery returned
to the pink room, gun in hand, he pointed it
straight at Charles and Charles well He thought it was
a joke and said bang bang, but it wasn't a joke.
Avery and Tony tied him up. They put a gag

(01:43:18):
in his mouth, and they held him at knife point.
They demanded that he hand over his money, but little
did Avery know, there was no money. Charles and Joseph
lived off over around two hundred dollars a month. Everything
else had been put directly into building the house. They
asked Charles, who was at home in the main building,

(01:43:40):
and he told them that Joseph and their two dogs
were over there. While Charles begged to be let go
because he didn't have any cash to give them, Avery
decided to step things up a notch. He climbed down
the ladder from the pink Room and he walked into
Corpsewood Manor, where he encountered Joseph and the two dogs.

(01:44:01):
He began firing his gun at all three of them,
killing them. Gunshots rang out in the normally dead, silent forest.
Avery returned to the pink room, and everyone in that
room knew what had just happened. Tony then forced Charles
down the ladder and over to the mainhouse, where he
was faced with the sight of his dead partner and

(01:44:23):
his two beloved dogs. He once again demanded money from Charles,
knowing that he couldn't provide it. Charles said his last
words quote, I asked for this, and then he tried
to pull away. He was shot five times in the
head and he fell dead to the floor. Corpsewood Manner
had eerily lived up to its name. That night, Avery

(01:44:46):
and Tony quickly took anything that looked valuable that they
were able to carry. It really wasn't much, maybe a
few coins, some jewelry, and some gold decorative items. They
tried to steal Charles's beloved golden heart, but it wouldn't
fit in his jeep, which they were now going to
be using as a getaway car, because the car that
they brought there it wasn't starting. The jeep was not inconspicuous,

(01:45:10):
it was quite unique, especially because it had white pentacles
painted on its doors. While they used it to drive
off the property to get away from the crime scene,
the two men knew that they would have to find
another vehicle soon. Avery and Tony threatened the other two
teens that they would kill them if they had told anyone.
Then they dropped them off at the trailer and the

(01:45:33):
two men tried to flee to Mexico. Well, at least
that was the plan. They went back and forth between
Mexico and Europe. Either way, they didn't get very far.
The two men pulled the jeep over at a rest
stop just outside Vicksburg, Mississippi. They had seen a man
sitting in the front seat of a Toyota, which they
had planned to steal. The man was a twenty six

(01:45:54):
year old Navy lieutenant named Kirby Key Phelps. The plan
was going to be to tie him to a tree
while they made off with his vehicle, so they forced
him out of the car at gunpoint and walked him
over to a tree. Then Avery began to unload the
jeep into the Toyota when suddenly he heard gunshots ring out.

(01:46:15):
Tony had shot the young man and had killed him.
They both then took off in the Toyota, hoping that
no one had seen or heard anything. Meanwhile, days after
Charles and Joseph's brutal slaying at corpswood, manor a friend
who had stopped by, would discover their bodies. What's truly
shocking is the way that Charles's body was found. It

(01:46:37):
looked just like the portrait of himself that he had
hanging up in his house. He had a painting done
not too long before he was murdered. It showed him
with a gag in his mouth, bleeding from bullet holes
to his head. So had he predicted his own murder.
When the police arrived on scene, they found the walls
stained with blood. All of the beautiful friend had been

(01:47:00):
overturned and thrown about. There were bullet casings left all
over the floor. The police weren't really sure what to
make up corpse of manner. It was nothing like they
had ever seen before, the unusual design of this large
brick castle like building, the satanic statues and stained glass,

(01:47:21):
the human skulls, and then the pink room above the
chicken coop. When details of this double homicide got out,
it caused a media frenzy. Charles and Joseph were labeled
the slain homosexual devil worshipers, and during a time of
satanic panic in a deeply religious southern state, it was

(01:47:42):
difficult to discern what was true and what was just
made up out of fear. The victims were basically re
victimized all over again on every newspaper. By this time,
Avery and Tony had a falling out and they were
now traveling alone. They didn't make it anywhere near Mexico
or Europe. Avery, who was hitchhaking his way across the country,

(01:48:04):
he called his mother and that's when he learned that
a warrant had been put out for his arrest for
the murders.

Speaker 6 (01:48:10):
Avery said, he went down to the to the house,
went down first to the car, you know, and he
said to check and see if the rifle was there,
and then they got the rifle. He got the rifle
out of the car and went down to the house
where Odom was supposed to have been the housekeeper and
the two dogs. He said he took the gun because

(01:48:31):
he was afraid of the dogs, you.

Speaker 10 (01:48:33):
Know, Fred.

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
They were loose and he didn't want them to get
ahold of him. And he said at the time that
he was going down there, you know, that he could
feel he could see different flashes in his eyes. And
he said when he got there that it looked like
that Odam had a gun, was getting a gun, and
he thought that Odain was gonna shoot him. And he
told me the way. He told me that he shot

(01:48:55):
the dogs and he didn't know where he hit Odum
or not then later on, you know, he said he
just didn't know where he did or where he did.
But the law we know down there said he did.
So I don't really know. I don't believe he did.

Speaker 9 (01:49:11):
He knew the gig was up. It was only a
matter of time now until he was caught. So he
walked into a gas station and he told the attendant
who he was and what he had done. The attendant
called the police. The police swarmed the gas station and
Avery was arrested. As for Tony, he was running out
of money and stamina. When he had heard that Avery

(01:49:32):
was arrested, he too decided that it was just a
matter of time. He walked into a police station and
he turned himself in the day before Christmas, when the
double homicide of doctor Charles Scudder and Joseph Odom went
to court, there were a lot of allegations made by
both defendants. Avery Brock He admitted to killing Joseph Odom,

(01:49:52):
and he was sentenced to three consecutive life terms.

Speaker 18 (01:49:56):
At least he was.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
Honest about what he had done. However, Tony West he
pleaded innocent to the charges of murdering Charles Scudder. At first,
he argued that they weren't at corpse manor to steal
anything at all. It was actually a revenge plot because
Charles had previously forced Avery to perform oral sex on
him in the pink room. Then he argued that the

(01:50:19):
two men they were hallucinating at the time of the
killings because Charles had allegedly spiked their wine with LSD.
Now it should be noted that while Charles did enjoy
spiking his own drinks with LSD sometimes, there were no
traces of LSD found in the wine at the crime scene. Finally,
Tony's attorney tried to argue that the couple had actually

(01:50:41):
bewitched his client. Tony would testify, quote, all I can
say is they were devils and I killed them. That's
how I feel about it. While it was certainly a
sensationalized statement, the jury wasn't buying any of it, and
they found him guilty. Tony was sentenced to death. However,
he won an appeal and he was given life in

(01:51:02):
prison in exchange for a guilty plea. Both men still
sit behind bars today, and it's likely that they will
both die in prison. With a name like Corpsewood, it's
easy to see why even after its occupants had been
murdered and were dead, people continued to visit the eerie
structure on the property. Just months after the murders, the

(01:51:24):
house also became a victim to arson. The ruins of
this unique brick castle like manor are now privately owned
and overgrown by weeds, but much of it does still stand.
Many of the locals refer to the area as devil
Worshiper's Mountain, and they believe that Charles had plans to
turn the property into a Satanic church. Rumors still swirl

(01:51:48):
about animal sacrifices and blood drinking that happened at Corpswood Manor.
Some say that the place is still incredibly haunted, and
that if you listen closely, you might hear the sound
of the dog's barking or the ring of a gunshot.
Others believe that the property is cursed, and if you
take anything, something even as small as a brick, you

(01:52:11):
too will be cursed. Despite the couple's well regarded status
among those who knew them, the shadows of that brutal
night still loom over the forest, casting a dark and
eerie reputation on Corpsewood Manor. Doctor Charles Scudder's dream home
and final resting place. That's it for me tonight. Until

(01:52:33):
next time, Sweet dreams, Stay kind, especially in the comments.

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Speaker 10 (01:57:16):
I already don't like the name.

Speaker 8 (01:57:17):
Just well, al Gash is a place in Maine.

Speaker 10 (01:57:20):
Well, it's an unfortunate name for the disturbing things we
were talking about. Okay, it is.

Speaker 8 (01:57:27):
It is a little bit gash.

Speaker 10 (01:57:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy,
and as Garfield would say.

Speaker 8 (01:57:39):
Rode one of the boat plane things that like take you.
You know, it's like a boat. I mean, it's a plane,
but it lands on the water. I don't know what
it's called, pontoon something anyway over to the pond.

Speaker 10 (01:57:52):
It is like a party boat.

Speaker 8 (01:57:54):
Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, but they said something
any okay, whatever, y'all know what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
And we might want to punctuate each of these with
some kind of film clip or some shit.

Speaker 13 (01:58:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
For that, to be clear, there's no proof for that.
That's just saying.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
I do not think that anybody without some kind of
surgical background would be able in the darkness so quickly
without getting caught.

Speaker 5 (01:58:20):
But they would also have to be able to blend in.
Although did a lot of rich guys come and get
a little some sum down in East End? I don't
really know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
I think, I really think. I like, first of all,
I just had a disgusting thought, and I hate it
because of this conversation, because I just thought, what does
a cat uterus look like versus a human uterus? Because
if they're practicing on animals, but I don't want to know,
is that a psychotic thought, because like, I'm not trying
to be crazy. It's just like the difference in an
animal uterus versus a human uterus. If you're dissecting an animal,

(01:58:51):
not just a cat, but a pig. Again, I think
pig would probably be the closest too, but it's not
the exact same. I don't really want to you know what.

Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.
I'm just like, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Over here, Like I think the idea that it's a
doctor doing it to see what's wrong with his wife
and why she's infertile is probably my my the most
likely theory that I leaned.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
One year they brought back defunct monster cereals fruit bruit,
fruit bruit, and Yummy Mummy. One year they brought back
defunct monster cereals fruit bruit fruit.

Speaker 10 (01:59:32):
How does one become a ufologist? Like, how do I
apply for this job and them qualified?

Speaker 8 (01:59:39):
You know, you gotta go talk to the blanky.

Speaker 10 (01:59:44):
Trap smith. All right, noted, we'll do. I'll get out
have his people call my people.

Speaker 8 (01:59:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Exactly, each year you'd seen Martha, Each year you'd seen Martha.
Each year, each year you'd see Martha on the cover
all dauled up in her latest cosplay for All Hallows.
None of these disguises, however, could mask her massive ego

(02:00:15):
makes sense.

Speaker 10 (02:00:16):
I would also just like to point out that seaplanes
are what we were looking for the world.

Speaker 8 (02:00:21):
It's called a seaplane plane. That's super lame. Wow, okay plane.

Speaker 10 (02:00:27):
I really felt like I needed to correct us before
somebody yelled. Also, I called the drummer from Blank twenty
to Travis Smith at the beginning of this. His name
is Travis Barker. I feel as though I needed to
protect us.

Speaker 8 (02:00:41):
So I don't think Travis Barker is the you don't
think UFO one though, you don't think so. I don't
think it's Travis Barker.

Speaker 10 (02:00:49):
I know Travis in Blank twenty two.

Speaker 8 (02:00:51):
I don't know if it's a Travis.

Speaker 10 (02:00:52):
It's a drummer though, right.

Speaker 8 (02:00:54):
No, I don't think it Isn't Travis Barker, the one
that married the Kardashian that's not the UFO guy. Why
are you talking about Blake what age? Because hang on,
let me see which one is Ali Tom DeLong.

Speaker 10 (02:01:10):
Oh, it's not the drummer.

Speaker 8 (02:01:12):
It's not the drummer.

Speaker 10 (02:01:13):
Okay, Oh, Okay, that's even better.

Speaker 13 (02:01:17):
I know.

Speaker 8 (02:01:19):
Chewisberger can't be trusted. He's with a Well.

Speaker 10 (02:01:22):
That's what I was like, that's interesting, Like, I guess
you could have a wide range of interests, not that
wide dash in and us come on.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
Each year, you'd see Martha all dauled up in her
latest cause, blood in her latest cause, play for all hallows.
None of these disguises could hide her massive None of
these disguises could mask her massive ego.

Speaker 8 (02:01:51):
He said, they kept touching his penis like they wanted
him to get an erection and give a sperm sample,
but he was too grossed out. Yeah, eventually he told
them or thought toward them, he can just do it himself.
And he did. He gave them a sperm sample. So
remember Jim So he.

Speaker 10 (02:02:11):
Meaned in front of aliens, this is what you're telling
me he did right into a test tube. Oh, I
mean that's really the lesser of the two evils in
that situation.

Speaker 8 (02:02:21):
Yeah, because if it feels like bugs, how can.

Speaker 10 (02:02:26):
You Every time you say like bugs, it's like a
visceral reaction of my body. Like, I don't know how
you got through this book. I literally feel difficult on it.
Every time you say those works.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Yeah, but a menu full of october Fest keeps trying
to see October Pod instead of october Fest.

Speaker 13 (02:02:47):
Mother.

Speaker 10 (02:02:49):
For those that have zero idea what I'm talking about,
Boo Boo is the bush man. And I know that's
offensive of a term that Sire doesn't like when I
use it. That we run into when we've gone camping
at Pacific Beach. He always gives us a beer, he
always offers us this newspaper. He's very nice man. We

(02:03:09):
didn't see him last year. I hope he's okay, But
what the fuck?

Speaker 8 (02:03:15):
Yeah, what to the fuck?

Speaker 10 (02:03:16):
I'm really glad you brought that up at the end
as a little palate cleanser, But also I'm so concerned.
I'm gonna be thinking about this man for millennia.

Speaker 8 (02:03:27):
Yeah, I like, who was he?

Speaker 10 (02:03:31):
Maybe he was one of them, Maybe he was like
testing them. Maybe he was like is this person cool?
Like are they cool enough to have their penises examined
with a light? Also, like no one wants to see
that up close? Okay, no one?

Speaker 8 (02:03:46):
Yeah, So one thing that I probably shouldn't say because
I don't know if this is considered like, what's the
word where you are lying about somebody. Oh yeah, something
with an owl or something. Yeah, anyway, I.

Speaker 10 (02:04:03):
Know what you're trying to say, and I can't get
it off my mouth.

Speaker 8 (02:04:07):
Yeah. So so Chuck Rack is okay. You know, he
says that he that he made it all up. It's like,
this never happened. I made it all up. And the
other guys were like, well, he you know, this happened
all this time, and when the time came, he wanted
a book deal or something and they were like, we're
not making money off of this. He's like, fine, that

(02:04:28):
I'm going to tell them all was fake. And so
they're not friends anymore because he did that. He told
them all. He told everyone, oh, I just made it up.
It's not real. But like it's kind of hard to
make that up. But anyway, it doesn't matter. That was
in twenty sixteen and it happened in seventy six so
like he decided, yeah, yeah, that much later that he
was going to say it was fake anyway. The author called.

Speaker 10 (02:04:53):
Make him take your trauma away, sir.

Speaker 8 (02:04:55):
Yeah. The author called him macho man. I'm thinking maybe
he just exaggerated some of the things because when he
started talking about his penis stuff. It seemed like he was.

Speaker 10 (02:05:10):
Like much more psychotic aggressive.

Speaker 8 (02:05:12):
Yeah, well he was like they looked at it closer.
They just shined more light on it, like.

Speaker 10 (02:05:18):
Were they having changing it. Oh oh yeah I didn't
say that. I'll take that, but yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:05:27):
He just I just seemed to be like, yeah, they
really want to my penis. Yeah yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 10 (02:05:33):
Genuine fear is felt though, for sure in all of yes,
like oh yeah I'm stressed.

Speaker 16 (02:05:41):
Bump bump bump, bump bum bum bum bum bum bum.

Speaker 13 (02:06:07):
The bees did y u h yeah yeah h love

(02:10:18):
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