Is WEMBY the NEW FACE of the NBA? ft Mo Murphy

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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Chris? Five years? Six years? About five six years where
this has been?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
You know, we haven't talked ball in a while, so
we wanted to do a collaboration show, the Coach Mohmer
Show with the Off the Ball Podcast. Now I feel
like I'm in the building with a superstar. Since the
last time we've done the show, my guy has put out,
you know, an entire college basketball preview for conferences.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
How many conferences you did, Chris too? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I did? I did the American and the American East. Yeah.
That was a fun little project, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Because conferences had a project.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
You know, you've been doing a lot with Uh, who
is it that you work with, Chris, Go ahead and tell.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Them I shot a blanket.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, next fantasy, I do some stuff, do some stuff.
I fill in when they need me. I'll come off
the bench, you know, whenever it's a you know, uh,
they needed to do some post came stuff, which is
always fun when they lose the next because the Cohler
is just they go they jump out the building when

(01:54):
the next little so but we're twoing up. We're undefeated,
so I'm high. You know, the new offense, it looks good.
You know, the way they they're using cat at times,
you know, they kind of using them like the use
of bonus. You know, just a lot of ball movement.
The bench is getting used. Eleven d Tyler Kohlik's getting run,

(02:15):
which I'm big Tyler cohlea guy, So you know, I
know it's a Boston team that is depleted a little bit,
you could say, you know, Tatum, there's they got some
guys out and then the Calves had some guys, but
we had guys out too against the Calves, so you know,
and that's they're supposed to be the top dogs in
the East, and we took care of business versus them.

(02:37):
So so far, so good for the for the Knicks,
and you know, a pretty fun start to the season overall.
A lot a lot of a lot of stuff happening,
A lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Bro, Like when I tell you they're couldn't just like
these past what we're going on day five now of
the NBA being back, And when I tell you, I honestly,
leading up to.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
The season, I want the most excited.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Like not that I don't love the NBA, it was
just like, you know, I wait to start to kick in.
Football is really great right now, especially college football being
an Ohio State fan, but just you know, coaching basketball,
just always being around basketball. And then Tuesday night came
and we didn't have practice after school, I shot home,
got situated and watched basketball and it was two opening

(03:22):
night games. You couldn't ask for better games, Like especially
that first game Houston and Okase, you know, going into overtime,
you know, Kevin Durant on the floor, the raining champion,
Oklahoma City thunder SGA, the ragn and finals, MVP chat
Holme Green, Like just to see that whole thing play
out before the game started, to me was just and

(03:43):
then for the game to go the way it went,
like you know, started out slow, started out, guys getting rusty,
but once they got in the groove of the game,
like they were really playing basketball, back and forth, back
and forth, guys are playing defense.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
That's something that I think.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I know it'll tone down a little bit and you know,
about a week or two, but right now I'll say
like it. Maybe people will look at like the final
the box scores and say differently, but I think these
guys have been just around the league putting more emphasis
and effort on defense. It seems like less pick up
basketball is to start the season, and like guys really

(04:19):
trying to compete and also understanding that all these guys
are talented scorers, but like they're playing some defense. There's
some effort. You know, a couple teams are picking up
full court right now, and I know it's the beginning
of the season and they're not going to stick to
that eighty two games, but it just seems like there's
more of an emphasis on playing some defense. Which if
you add defense, it's not that these guys will score

(04:39):
lesson Nobody doesn't want to see scoring, but we just
want to see some effort on trying to stop these
guys from scoring every once in a while. Like we're
not asking you to play a one two one one
full court trap zone defense or nothing like that. We're
just you know, hey, man, pick up your guy and
have some pride about letting Tyrese Maxi score forty on
your head, like at least give some effort to make
him earn the not just you know, I'm walking down

(05:02):
the court and letting So seeing the defense right now,
has that been something that you've noticed, Chris or is
that just me kind of just paying attention a little
bit on differently? I guess watching basketball as a coach,
I just really feel like there's been more defense in
the NBA that I'm used to seeing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I just think it's more of just attacking matchups. Attacking,
you know, like when we saw the Rockets in ok See,
like they were attacking Reed. They're like, all right, he's
their weakest ball handler. We're just going to attack them.
And I think that's what we've seen is like, all right, defensively,
we're just whoever your weakest guy is, We're just gonna

(05:37):
get on him, and we're gonna afford him, and we're
gonna see a oh he can't get past half court
all we're gonna get on his ass. And I think
that's just what we're seeing now just from what I
seen earlier in the season. Like if you if you're
you got the ball on, you're in and you're not
the most comfortable, or you're a rookie or a youngin
we're gonna get on you. We're gonna get on you.

(05:58):
And that's what I've seen early on in this for
you know, three or four days of NBA basketball, just
like hey, teams are just going to attack your weakest link,
weakest ball handler, and just get on because if you
do that, you just you you you mess up everything,
You mess up everything. And we saw that with the
Rockets right when Reid was in there. He just he's

(06:20):
not ready for that moment, you know. And for the Rockets,
they're old too right now. And I think we've we've
talked about this just in the chat and stuff just
amongst like like Fred Fanley isn't like like this, I
want to say game changer, but like he's he's solid, right,

(06:42):
he's solids could be you know, he's a champion, been
an All Star, but you know, he wasn't anything crazy.
But when you lose him, you lose someone that you
can at least trust with the ball in their hand. Late. Yeah,
he's not like he's not this elite playmaker or anything,
but there's just some type of he can he can
settle things down when things get a little crazy. And

(07:02):
you know, NBA is a league of runs, right, those
ten o runs that happen, you can calm everything down.
They don't have that right now. So that's what I
worry about the Rockets now and with no thread and
I just wonder what they can do because they're kind
of limited on what they can do as far as
there's no free agent point guards that you can trust, right,
you know, realistically and in the trade, you know, I

(07:25):
don't know what they're gonna do trade wise. You know,
I think they got to wait before they given trade
till uh till December. So you know, it's just you're
just seeing teams just attack these weaker level point guards
and stuff, and like point guard play is as important
as it is ever, right you just look look at
the way Okay See operates with Shay like it's just

(07:49):
this is a calmness, like you just know, like they
got everything under control, even if they you know, it's
late in the game, they feel comfortable with him at there.
So it's just, uh, they just see team's defense is
just attacking the weakest point at the ball a spot
and just we're just gonna we're just gonna attack you
from the you know, they're blitzing. Essentially, we're gonna blitch you.
We're gonna pick you up sixty four feet and that's

(08:11):
how we're gonna stifle this off. We're not gonna let
Kad get comfortable get to his spots, because you let
KD guys like that get to the spots and they're
gonna be cooking. So I just think teams are just
we're not gonna let you set up. We're gonna pick
you up, and we're gonna make things difficult before you
cross half court.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, and I agree like that.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
When watching the Houston Rockets, the glaring need is they
need a point guard. And like you said, like they
had one, they had Fred Van Vliet. You don't have
to have a superstar point guard. Like I'm not looking
for a guy to match up and go bucket for
bucket with Sga or go bucket for bucket with Steph Curry.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Like that's what I got Kevin Durant for. Like that's
what I brought.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Him into Houston to get that over the top scorer
that can score in the most important moments, but at
the same time, like to have kd is the most
effective night in and night out. You don't want him
to have to be your score, your playmaker, one of
your defenders. Like, not only is Katie getting up in age,
but that's never been when he's been.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
The most effective consistently.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
But when you got a guy who just naturally knows
how to get guys the ball's you don't have to
be a Chris Paul level point guard. But Fred VanVleet
can get you a bucket at any moment. And he
can also slow the offense down and run through the
sets or whatever it may be. But he could do
what a point guard does. And people think, like just
because you can handle the rock a little bit and

(09:29):
get to the hole, that you could play point guard.
Not only is Houston finding that out, but the Dallas
Mavericks are finding that out right now too, putting Cooper
Flag at the point guard position. And I know you'll
have a bunch of thoughts on this. You're an NBA
draft guy, So I'll give my thoughts about that situation
and then talk to you. Just because you kind of
evaluated Cooper Flag not saying necessarily that anybody had some

(09:54):
different type of evaluation other than he was the best
player in the country, but as far as really watching
him playing where you thought he would be the most effective.
But you're putting him at the point guard position. And
I'm gonna tell you me personally, from the outside looking in,
I think this is almost a call from up top.
I think this is a Nico Harrison trying to get
a Unicorn type player. I don't want to say generational.

(10:14):
We can't just label everybody like that. Maybe Cooper flag is,
but as a prospect, I don't think he's generational. But
the man was a superstar in college, right, you.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And so you could be box office and not be generational.
You could be a guy worth getting and taking with
the number one pick. Doesn't mean you have to be
the next Lebron James, but you still can be a
multi time All Star.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Like you could be Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
That you're not generational, but you an All Star year
in year out, all NBA player year in year out,
just not a one of a colent. But you're putting
him at a point guard position. The most confusing thing
about it is because you traded Luca. So I think
you brought in another six foot eight white guy that
can play and got some sauce to his game, and

(10:59):
thought that going with a bit big lineup and letting
Cooper Flagg run the point was the best decision.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I don't think that's a Jason Kidd decision. Now.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I don't necessarily think that Jason Kidd is the greatest
coach in the world, but he almost sounds like he's
answering questions that he doesn't even have an answer to
because it's not his call. When talking about the point
guard position, because you brought D'Angelo Russell in for what
to be the stop gap point guard until Kyrie Irvin
comes back from injury, I think everybody in America that

(11:30):
watches basketball with a basketball brain knew when they signed
D'Angelo Russell, like, man, that's a pretty good stop gap
point guard, knowing that I'm gonna get Kyrie Irving backer,
hoping that I'm gonna get Kyrie Irving back at some
point during the season, and then that moves D'Angel Russell
to be my backup point guard. And depending on the
way I play basketball, I'm sitting pretty at a pretty
position if I got Dlo coming off the bench, while

(11:52):
I have Kyrie Irvin, But you got Dlo playing nine minutes,
not even letting him get any type.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Of rhythm within the offense.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
You got, guys, it's just like it's like bad pickup
basketball on the offensive side of the ball for the
Dallas Mavericks. And I think even with Houston, because you
have Kevin Durant, who in these even though they're zero
and two, but he's went in his spurts where he
just went and got his own buckets. So the offense
will only look clunky for so long until Kevin Durant

(12:21):
just grabs the ball. It says, I'm gonna do what
I gotta do. But Dallas doesn't really have that right
now because Anthony Davis isn't just taking over games. You know,
Klay Thompson looks like a shell of himself at this point.
I mean, he can't buy a shot. And it's to
the point where if Clay gets hot, it's more like
vintage Clay as opposed to that being the expectation that

(12:43):
he can hit you with on any given night.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
So their offense is very clunky.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
They don't have a point guard, even though I think
the answer is D'Angelo Russell especially.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I saw take away everything.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I saw what d Lo and Ad looked like as
a duo when they played together in LA and Lebron
and missed a few games. I'm not saying that you
put them together and they win a championship, but I
watched d Lo average average twenty points while AD putting
up thirty and twelve in the few games that he
rocked with de Lo as the starting point guard.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
To me, I would at least take.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
That chemistry and see what I can do with that
before I just keep going to this big lineup with
no point guard. I mean, you're just literally playing driving
dish basketball and with guys with the NBA playing defense
right now, with other teams playing defense right now, that
that pick up basketball just doesn't work right now.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
It's just not going to be the answer.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
You have to have somebody that is a willing facilitator
and just mentally has the IQ to know just how
to change the pace of the game, whether it's slow
it down, whether it's speed it up, whether it's find
a guy open, whether it's my responsibility to make sure
guys get in their spots. But you're asking that of
guys who just that's not their natural position and they

(13:51):
don't have no experience.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
And this is where positionless basketball kind of is like
low key a silly kind because I think that word
gets thrown around a lot and it sounds cool, and
there was probably a point where I believed in that.
But you still need a point guard. You still need

(14:14):
a big man, right, You still need guys to play
their position. You still need a guy who can shoot
the ball. You still need a good forward, You still
need a center who could rebound, box out and play
in the post, and you still need a point guard.
But also with teams like the Mavericks in the Atlanta
Hawks and the Rockets, I think there's an identity issue,

(14:39):
identity crisis with those teams because they're kind of stuck
with Like the Hawks got the number one pick last year,
and it's like like, oh, we didn't think we're going
to get the number one pick last year, like we
were probably going to blow it up. And we get
the number one pick and it's like, Okay, maybe we
got something here, maybe we'll we'll keep going at it,
and you know, Jalen john so and then you resign

(15:01):
these guys, they're just and but you're kind of like,
it's kind of like you should have still stuck with
trying to, you know, restart this thing, because I feel
like you're just trying it to go over and you
be eight seed over and over, and it's like, what
are we doing? It's like when we remember Orlando used to
be the eight seed, when they're Aaron Gordon every year,
it's like, what are we doing here? Like it's time
to You're gonna be the eight seed every year? Like

(15:21):
what good is that?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
And with Dallas, obviously they trade for to get a
d Obviously they trade Luca and they get Kyrie and
they just went to the finals two years ago. But
then they get blessed with the number one pick, you know,
the NBA God bless them, and so they're also like,
all right, we want to win, but we got this
number kid, a number one pick. So they're kind of like,

(15:44):
I the situation's low key. They sound good for young players,
but in real like in in in reality, it's I
don't know if it's the best spot. Because now Dallas,
because Nico wants to win, right his job's on the line,
even though he got blessed no more pick his job

(16:04):
still on the line. You know, he wants to show
that he that he still made the right move, but
you have the nombre pick, so you have to make
sure he is is the focal point. But you still
got a d you still got Kyrie, you still got Clay,
guys who want to win. So you kind of like
you don't know which direction to go in. It's I
think it's gonna everyone was on the Dallas bandwagon. I

(16:26):
just didn't see it. I just I don't like the
pieces they had. I think it's too clunky. If you
have Luca, yes, when you have that type of point guard,
you know, that type of playmaker who could get everyone involved.
Fin yes, it works, but you don't have that, and
you're forcing Flag to be something he's not.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I watched him a dude, you know him, a BLUEEDLS fan.
I watched him a lot, and we could talk. We
can go from the beginning of the season where he
remember all those times where Shire had him, they run
ISO and he struggled a little bit. Now he got
better as the season go on. He got better as
a player. But I always thought he was a secondary playmaker,
Like if he's a second playmaker and team. Oh that's good,

(17:06):
but now you're just gonna be like, oh, playpoint guard, bros.
This still the NBA. Like, yeah, he's a he's a
tremendous athlete, he's six eight sixty nine, got the crazy win.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
This is NBA.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Bro, you know you got Wemby's Like he couldn't do
stuff against Wemby. So, like, these teams really annoy me
with trying to to fit in this these generational type
players or number one picks, you know, and also trying
to win that that I don't. I don't. I don't
remember a time where that's actually worked, like the time,

(17:39):
So you have to pick a direction. Like I understand
you want to win now, but Cooper you got you
got Cooper flat like let that like you should build
around him.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
But there it's just I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Though. Listen to how simple this is though. Just rock
with me for a second.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
I'm only a high school basketball coach, but I coached basketball. Nonetheless,
you can maximize Cooper flag right now. He can help
you win while also growing into being the guy that's
gonna take over the franchise. You have to move him
off the point guard position.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
But it's so simple. D Low, Clay, Coop, Ad Lively
or Gaffer. That is the simplest lineup to try.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
And now you put Coop on the wing, you put
Play on the wing.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
We have a driving dish type of office. We got
some shooters.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
You can get Coop the ball from d Low, and
now he can make some plays in the isol situation. Pump,
fake one, dribble, get to his spot and pull up.
It ain't like Cooke gonna get you like Kyrie do.
But if you get the defense moving, now he can
get to his spots with a little jab step and
that's his.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Type of game.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Ad can still stretch the floor. He can kill you
from eighteen feet in. And then you're trying to get
Lively to start to shoot threes and try and bring
him out as well.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
But the lineup is so simple.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
You're trying to show that we can have another six
foot eight guy that we drafted to replace Luca. Because
here's the thing, Chris, if take away the Luca trade,
if this was let's say Dallas got Cooper Flag because
they always had Anthony Davis and he got injured and
Kyrie Irving got injured, the team fell flat on its face.

(19:22):
They ended up being one of the worst teams and
they landed Cooper flag, but Luca was never a Dallas Maverick.
Then you're not feeling the pressure of having to make
Cooper flag something he's not and make him some type
of player that can But you're not thinking like that.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
You're not building your program like that.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Now you're implementing him into bro you have superstar potential,
and we could get you at superstar potential as a rookie,
which means you have the potential average eighteen to twenty
points a game, and we can fill you in and
your rookie year, your first two years, you could average
fourteen to fifteen and just be a key role player
piece while learning from a champion like Kyrie h Irving,

(20:00):
while learning from a champion like Anthony Davis, while learning
from champion like Klay Thompson, while learning from an all
time point guard like.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Jason King, is soaking up some knowledge that he has
for the game.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
But you have to you gotta everybody gotta let the
Luca trade go. I understand the hurt is there. I
understand with Nico the pressure because you're the guy that
you're the guy that's the face of the Luca trade.
You might feel the pressure. Jason might be in a
position where he never wanted to trade Luca.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
He never signed off on that. But everybody now.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Has to deal with the chips that they got on
the table. And what you do have is you have
a point guard. Is D'Angelo Russell the strongest point guard?
Is he gonna win you a championship at point guard?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
No?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
But you brought him in to be a stop gap
for Kyrie Irving. It's not that hard. Like we're making
the Maverick situation. How can we be the most deadly
lineup on defense and Nico Harrison bringing it in defensively,
Cooper Flag and Clay Thompson be and your two smallest
guys on the court. It sounds great, but guess what

(21:05):
things got to happen on the other side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
We could hold it on the country, he can hold
it ninety.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Eight points, But if we can't score ninety eight, none
of that matters.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Of how good we are on defense.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
You have to sacrifice a little bit of defense, a
little bit of size by starting D'Angelo Russell and Clay
Cooper Flack and doing the natural basketball thing and putting
guys at their natural position. Now you have five guys
who are satisfied playing at their natural position.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Who knows what that can start to look like.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
D Lo has played with Clay, even though it was
a very very short stint, but he played with Clay,
practiced with Clay, got in the building with Clay, built
some chemistry with Clay. He's played with Anthony Davis on
the LA Lakers, like he's been in All Star point
guard before.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'm not saying that he'll be an.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
All Star again, but he's been an All Star before
and he's only what twenty eight to twenty nine years old.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
It ain't liked Lo thirty five and on his way
out the league.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
You put him at point guard for what you signed
him for until Kyrie Irving comes back, Like that's just
that's what you brought him in there for. You didn't
bring him in there to play nine minutes, not let
him get no flow of the game, and didn't put
everything on the fact we don't have a point guard
because you're trying to have Cooper Flag replace Luca.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
He's not Luca. He's a special talent in his own sense.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
And you have the answer to maximize it right now
in the meantime until Kyrie Irvin comes back on your roster.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Like in your rotation, it's a very simple rotation, Chris.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's not that hard. Why do we have to be
Why does everybody think they have the answer? Have to
be smarter than everybody?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
All right?

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I traded Luca for Anthony Davis. I feel like defense
wins championships.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I went and brought Dangelo.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Russell into Dallas because Kyrie Irving got injured. I needed
to stop gap point guard. Everything I did showed me that, like, amen,
you might be because you got blessed with this Cooper
flag pick, you might be able to recover from the
Luca trade and really put together a championship team. And
then you go out there and Dlo's not playing and
PJ Washing is just starting at the two, and you're

(22:57):
just trying to go big, And if Gaffer it's playing,
I feel like they would have PJ. Washington, Cooper flag A,
d Derek Lively, and Daniel Gafford on the court at
the same time. Like him not being available is the
only reason why that lineup has not been implemented on
the floor at any given point in time. But I'm
just they're committing so much to defense because Nico is
having to stand on his own words and maybe the

(23:18):
rest of the organization from the top down is backing
him in the coaching decisions and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
But the simple thing is really just rock out D
lo Clay Coop a D.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Lively or you really could bring Coop off the bench
and start PJ. Washington and you could bring Coop as
a six man as a rookie.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I don't get Yeah, I think he's a number one pick,
but there's no you don't have to force him into
the star lineup either, Like if he's if you think
he's better off with the second unit and going against
you know, other teams backups, then that should.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Be the personnel.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
You have the personnel.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Maybe you didn't, but you now you have to do that.
You have to start him because now there's more pressure.
Like you said, like and this is what happens when
you make the moves you make and you're a win
now mode and you know the washing you talk about defense.
They give almost a buck twenty to the Wizards. They
let Keishawn George. Ke George is a late first round pick.

(24:20):
He was actually a Knicks draft pick and they wound
up trading him. I wasn't crazy about that, but you
know whatever, but keyball drop thirty six, I think thirty four,
Like you let Keishawn George a second, a twenty year
old go. You're supposed to be defense. So that's my
thing is that if the defensive philosophy ain't gonna work,

(24:44):
then then your whole plan is going to falter and
what what's next?

Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So that's the thing. When you know, you try to
win now mode, but you're trying to fit in this
supposedly generational type of kid, it can it can lead
to and that's what the Hawks are going to go
are going through to. Like there are dentity crisis. You know,
there's certain teams that are going through that Danny crisis
trying to or how do we blend in the young

(25:11):
guys with our vets, especially those teams that are trying
to win and it sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you just
gotta you gotta pick a path is Hey, we're gonna
go all in with them, like the Knicks. Look at
the next perfect example, the Knicks. The Knicks essentially right,
we had all those draft picks, like we were all
building right whenmember we are J Barrett quickly top in.
We were going there, and then you know, we had

(25:34):
a little bit of success and it was like, you know,
randall leveled up and then we got brunts and right,
and I think Brunson kind of kind of what's that
word I'm looking for, kind of you know, the timeline
went a little faster, but it was like, f them picks.
And that's essentially what the Knicks did, right, they said,

(25:55):
f them picks, like we're going all in on the
on the vets. We're gonna We're gonna sprinkle in some
of like the you know Tyler Kohlex and the McCullers
and some of those young guys, but we're going all in.
Like they're trying to trade last year's pick Pacomb, like
because remember I just told you Keishawn George that was
the original pick twenty four. Then they traded back and
will end up taking Pacomb. Dottie. He's on the trading block.

(26:16):
They want to get rid of him because they're like, no,
we got to get vets. We need to We're to
win now, monks, So I can I respect even though
you know me, I like, I like homegrown. I'm I'm
that's how I think you still win championships to building
through draft drafting your own players. But if you're going
to go the all in a way with the Vets,

(26:36):
then that's the way you should go. Like, don't like
try to blend like too much of the young ds
like a little bit, but hey, we're going to go
on with the Vets. And a lot of these teams
are having those type of identity crisis because like if
you have the Rockets, realistically you want like Kate getting
Katie is cool and you needed that type of score.
But it's like we got a nice little young core here.
We had, they had amend is only twenty twenty two,

(26:59):
twenty one, Alprin Sengoon is looking like he's the next
great big you know this they got, you know, Jabari Smith,
they just gave one hundred million Tarry Easton. You know
he's not a little bit of a funk to the south.
He messed it up. He turned down he turned down
nine figures. To remember, he turned down nine figures, so

(27:20):
restricted free to sy I mean, that's that's the that's
the thing. You you you know, you you take the
risk with is you turn down, but if you ain't balling,
I think he probably should have just took the money.
And then you know, you can always get a second contract.
He's young enough, we can get in the second contract
and if he balls out, you can get But some
of these teams going through identity crisis, sometimes you got
to pick a path, pick up. Like I know, we

(27:42):
don't like a lot of teams with the tanking. And listen,
there's gonna be teams mo, They're gonna be teams tanking
because the kids coming out this year that might be
the best one two three. We could have had the
best one two three and oh three, but the Pistons
messed that up. But this is gonna be maybe the
US one two three we've seen maybe ever with with

(28:03):
with Peterson, Boozer and aj. So the tanking is gonna
be at all time. But you know, you sometimes you
just got to pick a path. And if you're in this,
we don't know. You stuck in the middle. In any sport,
you stuck in the middle, you don't want to be there.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's the it's the worst place to be.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
You end up there for a few years and you
just kind of like, all right, are we either going
to rebuild this thing or are we gonna try and
really win? We're just sitting here like the Chicago Bulls
right now, like they're just in the worst spot.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
But they created it to where they're.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Trying to win a little bit, but they didn't butt
the right pieces together and they really essentially put bad
contracts together.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
And you know, now they're trying to go there.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
They're trying to They are now trying to swing a
different direction and hopefully they won't.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It'll it won't be mediocre.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
But even like you said, I think teams think too
far in the future when making moves, Like not everybody.
Every people understand like I don't have a roster to
win now, that's a realistic thing. There's thirty teams in
the NBA. There's not thirty teams that have a chance
to win a championship this year. That's just a known fact.
There's teams on different timelines in their franchise history right now.

(29:14):
But to think about, like I'm a refrain from making
this trade because these guys could be something in three
to five years. They could be or they could be
no better than what they are right now. And you
just get this type of production from the time they're
twenty two to the time they're thirty. And if you're
good enough with this type of production and cool, But

(29:36):
people won't necessarily take as many chances in big swings
for trades that can help them win right now because
they're so afraid of putting a ding on the future
three to five years from now. But like Chris, so
many all the teams that think about three to five
years and don't make certain moves because of five years
from now in the young talent, how many of those
teams have won championships? Like even OKC through getting all

(29:58):
of their draft picks, you gotta give him credit, but
making swings of trades and they were able to build
this team through the draft, but basically build it around
taking a swing and getting sgaight, like we're trading Paul
George and we got SGA and all these draft picks.
And that's what ignited OKAYC being able to build into
a team that won a championship.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
But doesn't mean everybody could go that route.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
And when you hit that point where you're almost where
at like OKC is, and you don't get there, and
you start to drop off. You gotta commit to man,
we got to re up instead of like, all right,
well we'll see where this goes. And we just slowly
declined into we're a borderline playoff team every year and
we're trying to figure it out, and now we're in
no man's land. We're too good to get a number

(30:39):
one draft, you know, a top five draft pick, but
we're too bad to have a realistic chance of winning
a championship.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Like you say, that's how you put.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yourself being theirs by thinking three to five years ahead,
not making certain moves.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
You should think about the future.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Don't just sign a guy because he went off for
one year Tsunama, sign him one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
But don't necessarily be afraid to make so many moves
because well, this guy's twenty two, and I think he's
gonna be a superstar at twenty seven maybe, But this
guy right now is twenty seven that you're trying to
trade for that you're thinking about trading for.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Or this guy's thirty and he can help you.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Win the championship right now, and he's shown you as
a role player, as a star player, whatever it may be,
that he could contribute to the championship. He's already shown
you that, and he's in that point of his career
where he.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Could still do that.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
So you'll just think so much about the future, and
you'll value draft People value draft picks so much that
I think they'll compile draft picks and then.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Do nothing with them.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Now you just got all these draft picks, you drafted,
all these young guys. It guess what you look like
the Brooklyn Nets? Like you could end up looking like
the Brooklyn Nets. Could they be good in ten years?
They could, because all the young guys that they drafted
panned out. But the chances and the percentage and the
likeliness of that.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Happening is slim to none.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
But I do Since we talk about draft picks, we
talk about generational Chris, let's talk about generation brother, because
there is a generational player in the state of Texas
and he doesn't play for Houston and he doesn't play
for Dallas. That boy played for San Antonio. Chris, Listen,
I hate it at times like like listen, I've been

(32:14):
watching Victor Winbyama, and I hate it at times because
of who's a fan of the Spurs, Like then you
have to concede in the chat, like, yo, this dude
is one.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Of But Walker is a fan of the Spurs.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
And Walker is a fan of win Beyama, and he's
the one that got the grace of a true generational talent.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Christ again, right.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
At wiben Yama is insane, Chris.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Like just the fact that now he's getting his skill
set down, like he's really having a true skill set.
He's gotten in the gym, He's gotten a little bit bigger,
his balance is better, Like he's grown a couple inches,
Pauls sounded, but like he's gotten bigger. He's gotten in
the way he's gotten with OGZ. He worked with Kevin Garnett,

(33:01):
he worked with Hakeem Olajawan. He went to make himself
a better man and be able. He just really focused
on himself and how he could be the best version
of himself and starting out the season, Chris, I mean,
this dude arguably looks like at the end, by season's end,
we might be saying he's the best player in.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
The league, Like do you not steal that?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
But like this dude, and I know some of it
is just the fact of how tall he is, but
he could just be that tall and be Boban like
y'all Ming was seven foot six, and y'all Ming wasn't
like this.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So when you're watching Victor Winby Yama, like we've seen.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Guys that are very, very tall, but not with the
skill set where you're that tall and you got a
KD like skill set, but now you're developing a post
game and people can't just body you like that. And
because of how tall and how long you are.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
You even seen when Zion bodied Victor women Yama the
other night when they were Winby still was able.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
To block it because like, yeah, you got me knocked back,
but I go so high.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Up you can't get over that. And so this this dude,
it's tough.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
To put in the words what you're watching when you're
watching Winby, especially when you watching for like forty on
Opening night, Like without he wasn't even shooting.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Threes, Chris, he shot two threes last year.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
We're used to seeing Winby some of this is going off,
but he was like forcing outside jump shots and forcing
a lot of threes.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Chris.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
He scored forty officiently shooting mid range jump shots getting
to the basket. He shot two threes. He was one
for two from the three when he scored forty.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
But he only shot threes.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
That is game.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
That's when you know an off season works.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Like that's when you know when he went to commit
to being the best version of himself. You're seeing at
the start of the season, like it worked.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
It seemed like it worked.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Maybe he goes back to his bad habits, but right
now he's starting the season with new habits and the
new possibility of how good this guy could be. And
and Chris is it's scary for the league And this
might be I think this is the moment that you know,
when we saw Lebron at a point where you're like, yo,
this might end up being the best player in the league,

(35:09):
like it might get scary for the league, Or when
you saw that with Michael Jordan back in the day,
or when you saw it with Kobe, Like this is
one of those, like when you saw it with Kevin Durant.
This is in Steph Curry in twenty fifteen when he
came and took the NBA by storing for the next
six seven years, Like this is one of those situations
with Victor.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Winimy Yama and he's much like everybody. He's built.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
He's not built like anything we've seen before as far
as especially when you're talking about a skill set at
that height and that size. He's a taller Kevin Durant.
He's literally a taller Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
It really is a He's kd kg Haki Malaijahwan like
all in one. And it's not even like a crazy
like thing, like no, that's what he is. Like if
you could combine those three guys into one, that's what
you get with maybe a little bit of a dirk too,
because now he's doing some of that one that legged
step back. So it's like he had nine blocks versus

(36:03):
the Pelicans, like Zion had a few times where he
got into like that first dunk and there was another
one and one he got. You could get him on
a few times, you know, depending on the balance, depending
on you know, how downhill you're going. If you have
a player like Zion's two sixty five coming downhill, if
even if wemb be'scome a weak side, you know, because
of Zion's even on Zion's giving up maybe a full

(36:25):
you know, twelve inches pause, you know, but he's still
to sixty five. You know, he still can get enough,
you know, to get to to you know, he had
a few of those yesterday, but still there was there
was spots where Zion is trying and then one be
just like, yeah, it's legit, as if we're playing against
our kids, Like if you're playing against your son and

(36:45):
he was doing that, that's what. And it's crazy because
we've never seen something like like we have NBA players
who are like you're just watching them driven You're like,
oh no, no, we can't. And maybe we're overacting to
Dallas because they went against san Antono. You and san
Antonio's defense just was just absolutely and they just made
him look that bad because maybe maybe Dallas isn't that

(37:08):
as bad as the thought.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
But yeah, but Dallas turned around and lost to Washington exactly.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And they be Washington. Then I'd be all with you
with like, yeah, you know there is a.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Uniforn over there, generational tab and Washington, like it could
be all of that. Looking at stan Antonio like instead
of killing Dallas, maybe we're watching the making of another
Spurs dynasty with Victor Wimiyama Stephan Castle, Like.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I think there's a world where one bro Ballard.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I think he always up the window.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
In my opinion, I think he opens up the window
to me. I think the loudest no One's coming from
San Antonio is the best day for the future. I
think trade d Aaron Fox.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I think you just.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Gave him a new contract. He's in his he's in
the back end of his twenty so that I think
if they if yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Won't they and they probably won't trade him by the
trade deadline.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I think that's more of a in the off season.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's next year. They have to see how it looks,
how Wemby looks with Box because Fox, what he can
do attacking downhill, that just helps Wenby even more so
we have to see how that looks. But one thing
they're there the shooting, and you know what, they're not
shooting a lot of threes so far, so because that's

(38:26):
not their strength. They know what their strength is. They
know it's attacking downhill. Stephen Castle, that's what he's he's
that's his bread and butter is attacking downhill. Obviously Wemby,
you know when you get you know Harper, that's what
he can do. He can get to the to the lane,
he can score you know, uh in the in the
restricted area. So they're they're they're going with their strength.

(38:48):
They're not jacking up thirty threes. You know, they've been
taking at link at think around twenty in the first
few games. Like I said, it's a small sample size,
but they're playing within their strength, which more teams wish
more teams would and they're doing that. And that's why
I mean Stephan Castle. Listen, me and keV told a
bunch of people about Stephan Castle, like he's the real deal.

(39:08):
Don't look at the stats. He he sacrificed so much
that Yukon sacrifice so much of his game is new.
Was a five star, top five prospect, you know, coming
out of high school. Like he's he's better than what
his stats showed. And I told everyone he's he's I
had him in Clinging one too, Like those are the
top two proc. I still think they should have went
one too, you know which other one you wanted. I

(39:30):
thought the Hawk should have took Clinging because I think
him and Trey would have done magic together. But Castle
is the real deal. Man, He's the real deal. And
that and the Spurs are in a luxury position because
obviously to me. I always said, they're going to have
to pick between Castle and Harper. They got to pick
which young guy is going to be the face with

(39:51):
Who's who's gonna help be that one b to Wemby.
You gotta and they're gonna have to pick. And I
actually I always said it's Castle. I think Castle has all.
I said this, and I got people got on me.
I said he's SGA with a little bit more offensism.
And I said that, and people like and I'll see

(40:13):
people see and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
See the light, they see the light.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
You just gotta wait too. I mean, he's a young guy.
But listen, Chris, this is God. I hate talking about
the Spurs. We'll move on from them after I say this.
But the Spurs have put themselves in a position where
not only would you be surprised if Winby's so great
that he puts them in position to be in the
Western Conference finals and have an opportunity to get to
the finals and win the championship, you can also turn
around in an off season where there's a possibility that

(40:41):
like Giannis Onto the Cupo could be available and you
have a Stephan Castle, Dearn Fox, you know Dylan Harper
to dangle with some draft picks for a Giannis onto
the Kupo to pair him with Winby not saying that
the Spurs are going to do that, but the fact
that they would have those type of options and those
type of play to dangle in the trade. Like, not

(41:02):
only are draft picks important, but if you have an
all star level player and d Aaron Fox, or you
have a future all star level player in Stephan Castle
or Dylan Harper, now obviously you pick one of those
three become untouchable in your eyes, and I think it'll
be Stephan Castle will play himself into being now untouchable,
and you'll dangle possibly you'll probably even try and keep
Dylan Harper and dangle Daron Fox. But I just think

(41:22):
two of those might have to go. You are talking
about bringing Giannison and creating essentially a big three when
we don't have. This isn't the era of the NBA
where you could just have all these major contracts on,
you know, the roster at one at all at the
same time. So I think Daron Fox would go obviously
in that type of trade. But they've put themselves in
position where they have an opportunity to do really something

(41:45):
special because of how great Winby has the possibility of
being and we're only at the start of the season.
This guy ain't even peaking the peak of his powers,
may not even peak to his powers this year.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
It might not even be this year.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
But just the possibility of what could be for the
rest of the season for Weinby and what they can
do this season as well as in the offseason with
what they have on the roster and the draft picks
that they would have available, the Spurs are going to
be an interesting story to.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Follow all year.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
I do want to ask you about something that you
brought up in the chat. We do not, you know,
release things that be discussed in the chat, unless it's
the basketball or the football, the actual analytical things that
we talk about in the chat, like Hollow ban Caro. Now,
a few of y'all kind of I guess led by

(42:34):
you feel like maybe the conversation about what we think
of Polow ban Caro should change. Not saying that the
guy's not an all star player. You know, you weren't
saying that the guy isn't a very good player. You
just I think the expectation of what Polow can be
as opposed to what he is and what you see

(42:56):
him going to be or two different things.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And you know, I'm a Duke fan, so I come
with biases. You know, I try to be fair, but
there's a little bias, you know. You you know, you're
you know your root for your guide right that you
know for your colleges that you're.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Right. Yeah, I'm biased. Hell yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So like one when Polo was in high school and
Duke was on the rook I was like, oh, yeah,
this is And then when his first year Duke, his
only year of Duke, he killed it, and I was
like he should have been number one pick. And there
was a there was a there was like a little
bit where it was like Jabbari's going one hold room
too and polowing in that shift and he wanted up

(43:37):
going number one. And then had a good, good rookie year.
Wasn't it wasn't efficient, but he's a rookie. You know,
he's still averaged twenty as a rookie. That's still good,
no matter you know how efficient and inefficient you were.
And then next year he had his all Star season,
you know, and then but there's still there were still
some things, you know, and there were still some things

(43:59):
where I'm like, oh, okay, let me take the duke
cat off. Let me just let me watch this on bias,
and I'm like, Okay, obviously he has the frame right
six ten to fifty. You know, there's a lot of
people say he's like mellow, I've seen Lebron stuff. I
never saw the Lebron stuff. I don't think he's the
playmaker at all. I don't think he handles the ball

(44:20):
like Lebron does and just just doesn't move the way
Lebron does. He has the size of Lebron, but but
there's just a lot of the inefficiency is what's stopping
me from thinking he could be an envy And this
is what I'm talking about when I say, Okay, I
gotta stop. We gotta stop with like thinking he's an
I don't think he's an MVP level player anymore. And

(44:42):
I hate to, like stop to think that he can't
be that, but I just don't see it anymore. Like
after a second year, I'm like, yeah, there's MVP he
could be, but I don't see it. And I think
there's too much inefficiency. And with this Orlando team, I
know the added Desmon Bane.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Wanted them to get a a more of a a
lead ball handler to help get the ball out of
Pollo's hand and help create him and get him an
open spots, get him oh better shots, because there's a
lot of times Apollo he's how he's I show, I sell,
he's helping pounding, and he's shooting bad threes, contested jump shots, and.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I just feel like that's just who he is. That's
his game. And that doesn't mean he's not gonna be
an All Star level player, maybe an All NBA level player,
but the MVP arc that I maybe thought he had
two years ago, I don't see that. And listen, there's
people that are saying Franz Wagner is is the is

(45:44):
the franchise player.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
And in my opinion, if that's the case, Orlando isn't
gonna go as far as maybe some people think.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Polow needs to be one A. But if he doesn't
level up up his game as far as being a
bit of playmaker, stop forcing bad shots, be a better
perimeter player, better defensively, then Orlando's not gonna go. It's
gonna it's not gonna be like with Aaron Gordon levels

(46:16):
where they eight seed but you know, eventually team people
are gonna be like, eh, you know, we don't see this,
you know, we don't see that ceiling with him. So
that's my thing. I still think he's a great player.
I still think he could be an old NBA player,
but I don't know if he could be an MVP
level player. I mean, you know, I thought just a
few years ago after a second year where I was like, okay,

(46:37):
he's twenty three and ten, like you know, you know,
you know, there was some good things, but and I
know last year he was banged up, he got hurt,
he missed almost half the season last year. But there's
just some things you watch and if you want to
be in that upper echelon, if you want to be
one of the MVPs, you gotta be more efficient, you
gotta take better shots. And I don't know, maybe maybe

(47:01):
as the season goes on, we'll see, you know. Obviously,
they just added Baine, you know, and they have what's
his face? Who's there's the point guard? Heke's forgetting his name,
buddy from Gonzagara. Huggs, Jim Suggs. You know, I don't
know if Jenn Suggs is the ideal fit at the
at as a lead guard, you know, for that team.
But I don't know. I just don't think Polo is

(47:22):
an MVP caliber player anymore. And I heard to say,
because I'm a doke guy, but I just think I
don't know if he's going to be as good as
maybe we thought he would he was going to be.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah, I really, I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
I just feel like giving up where you were on
Polo two years ago and kind of moving on from that. Chris,
he's only twenty two years old, Like, yes, yeah, he's
but the guy is still young. Like this guy five
years from now will just be intered. In five years,
will just be entering the prime of his career. Like
the problem is that your prime twenty seven to thirty two.

(47:56):
So in five years he'll be entering the prime of
his career.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
This guy got a lot of things to fix up
before it's really time.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
That been in the league eight nine years, it's time
to start winning championships. If I haven't won one, If
the expectation is I'm a top five player in the league,
it's time for me to start taking my team to
the NBA finals. Being in that MVP conversation, and I
think he still has the possibility. I'm not all the
way out on Polo as far as and you're not
all the way out. I mean, you said he could
be an All NBA player. You still think of him

(48:24):
in high regard. You just don't think of him in
the highest of regards as far as the potential that
you thought he had. I still think it's there. But
I agree with you that, like right now, he needs
to clean up some things if that's where he wants
to be. But just the simple fact he's still only
twenty two years old, and I think sometimes we even expect.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
These guys to grow a lot faster because.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
They come in the league young or won and done,
and so what, you're four years into the league. But
we're also in a time where there's twenty five year
olds playing college basketball still and then coming into the
NBA and still not necessarily ready at twenty five six.
So for him, yeah, you're four years into the league,
But like, I'm still twenty two years old, and there's
still guys that are twenty seven to.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Twenty eight, twenty nine to.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Thirty years old doing this in the prime of their
careers on their career path chasing their legacy, and I'm
coming right behind those guys.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
But I still think he has a few years before.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I think if I'm still seeing this where he could
give me this all star level of play, but I'm
seeing still the inefficiencies at at the age of twenty
five twenty six, then I might be like, that's who
he is. He's an all star guy. You know, he
could be second third team All NBA every year, have
Orlando in the playoffs and maybe win a playoff series
every other year, can find themselves in the Eastern Conference finals,
but won't be that MVP level player to take you

(49:39):
to a championship. But right now, I still think that
potential is there. The inefficiencies are there, But yeah, he's
what this is his fourth year in the league, four
fourth year in the league, and we expect more, but
because he came after one.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
But still he's twenty two years old.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
So I'm just not gonna jump all the way into
the point that I don't think he could be an
MVP level player. But also at the same time, like
you're also comparing him to the guy that we just
talked about in Victor womeny Yama. Not that they came
in the same, but just they're gonna be they're around
the same age, came what to a year apart, and
that's gonna be like the you know, with Polo getting

(50:17):
all the hype of people trying to call him Lebron
and stuff like that and saying that he has top
five potential, so does Wemby, And so when we're looking
at Wenby looking at Polo, like you start to try
and compare him to that. And if you're comparing Polo
right now and still with his inefficiencies to what you're
seeing out of Wemby, then you're kind of like, yeah,
he's never gonna be that level of guy as opposed
to Winby still just might be one of the great

(50:38):
I mean, we might be witnessing one of the greatest
players we've ever seen lay down this path and this
is what it looks like. You know, It's kind of
what we some of the things we were saying when
it was Lebron and when it was Michael Jordan, when
it was Kobe Bryant, like when it was these guys
turned we were seeing things and in all in very
similar ways. He's just doing it different because he's built
different you know, we've never seen a guy like this,

(51:00):
but we're in alle in the same way that we
were in all watching the All Tom Greates played basketball.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It's it's it's crazy. I mean, I just I tell people, man,
the talent that's in the league. The talent is about
to come in the league. It's just basketball is in
a good spot. I Mean, there's some things that I
think Adam Shod wants to clean up that he uh
that we saw recently happens, you know, with some some

(51:27):
gambling stuff coaches head coaches and involved in some with
the moth, which is that's absolutely insane. So that thing,
the stuff like that has to get cleaned up. But
as far as the actual game and the talent, like
it's unreal and like like I said, in the next
few years, I mean, you know, I'm some I like

(51:48):
always looking in the grassroots scene seeing who with the
kids coming up, and I'm just like, dude, the talent
that that are sixty sixteen year old, seventeen year olds,
I mean, and the like you mentioned before, you know,
the big three that potentially could be the top three
picks next year. I mean, the league's and it's in
good hands.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
There's so much talent. Even like we're looking at the
Wizards and you're like, okay, they got some they got
some guys George Cahoop, you know, Sorr, they got some
guy cool about like, they got guys. So like every
team has like a couple of guys that you're like
intrigued with, Like there's not I mean, even the Nets
have some guys and I'm like, okay, like maybe this

(52:30):
guy could be some you know, you know demon, you
know from BYU. Like at one point he was supposed
to be like a top five pick and he dropped.
But that's someone who has intriguing, you know, traits, you know.
So there's this so much talent. It's just it's insane.
I mean, just think about what the Spurs. They got
two point guards top to top four picks back to back,

(52:52):
and one's a backup where he probably starts on every
other team probably any other team. He's the lead. He's there,
Harpers are starting point guard for maybe every other team
who doesn't have, you know, a top level point guard,
right he starts.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Anybody else that would have picked him at the pick
that the.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Star, any other team who was that who was in
that top five scene.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yes, he's their starting point guard, like and it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
He probably a better fit for Dallas than yeah, for Flags,
but you can't pass up a flight, so I get that.
But once you got that number one, Nico wouldn't have
made it. Nico would not have been able to make it.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
The respectable basketball decision.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
But like before we close out, like I want to
close out with this conversation because you kind of hinted
towards it, and so my my thought on bro, there's
so much talent and like you know, I'm a coach
in the city of Dallas, and like everybody knows, the
DFW Metroplex right now for basketball might be the number
one spot girls and boys as far as grassrooms, high
school basketball, getting talent overall. You could go from west

(53:56):
to east, you know, fifty miles east, fifty miles west
and everything in between as far as Dallas. But to me,
we gotta protect the sport, Chris, Like, we gotta protect
the sport of basketball.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
And it starts up top and it's like seeing.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
This stuff with gambling, messing with the possible integrity of
basketball changes things. Then lets you go to college. Look
at the issues with college right now. High level championship
level college coaches are having issue with the fact that like, now, hey,
you could play three four years of pro basketball and
whatever pro league and then come play college basketball, Like

(54:33):
because of the nil you can go from being a
pro like you're no longer an amateur athlete. I don't
know whether that's good for the sport of basketball right
now or not. The fact that guys can play in
the G League and play overseas and be twenty one
and come back to college, Like, does it make it
a little more maybe, Does it make it a better
watch because you got some higher level talent, some older,

(54:55):
more mature talent. Maybe, But then when you're talking about
protecting the sport, like it's damaging the next up and
coming generation because they're no longer really like you know,
how great you really now have to be to really
be recruited at the top level schools, Like we're really
only talking four or five stars. We're not just talking
about like you really and there's some four stars that

(55:17):
are gonna go to lower level schools because they're not
even recruiting right now because of what's going on in
college basketball.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I can get pro ball players.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
I could get guys from overseas that are eighteen, nineteen
twenty years old, been playing process they were fourteen, fifteen.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Sixteen years old.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Because at college, I gotta win, bro, Like when I'm
in college, I gotta win. At the end of the day,
being a college coach, your job is to win. And
so that's what they're doing. But you got the integrity
being the integrity of the game at the professional level
being within question, while also like the essence of what
makes college basketball so special. And at the recruiting level,

(55:53):
it's completely changing. High level D one coaches aren't even
recruiting high school athletes.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
They're they're keeping teams.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
They're keeping kids, high school kids on their radar in
case they fail in the transfer portal. But they're really
waiting for the transfer portal to open. We'll have an
offer for you, but that the wants you to accept it,
or the fact of you accepting it in us acknowledging
it on the table. You have to commit to us
after we see what we do in the transfer portal

(56:22):
my offer because we might have to give this offer
to a vent that's gonna help me keep my job.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You know, doing the whole college basketball previous stuff. For
this year, I covered the American and when I and
I covered every team in the Americans. So I did
my homework and I'm just going through the roster and
I'm like, Oh, this team doesn't have a freshman. Oh,
this team doesn't have a freshman. Oh, this team is
all portal kids. And I talked to a few coaches,

(56:47):
head coaches, and I asked him. I was like, how
difficult is it knowing that the old school way they
do your program too, Like, all right, we gotta obviously,
we gotta recruit, we gotta get these these these these
you know, we're gonna go for those three stars for stars.
And I was like, how do you go from that
mentality to now, like, hey, bump that we got to

(57:11):
hit the portal like and some of these teams that
I saw in the American, like Memphis, every single player
from the portal, no freshmen. They did not recruit a
single freshman. And I mean there was a bunch of
other schools, but Memphis all transfer portal kids. And as
good as that is, because we want more teams to

(57:33):
be involved. We want to because a lot of people
come playing with college bathroom, was like, Yo, I don't
know who's on these teams, and we want and how
do you know the more players because you know, back
in the day growing up for me, obviously those kids
stay three for the Jay Williams, the Shane Batty.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
They had one, one and done type of guy guys.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, well those guys were recruited, like Coach k recruited them.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
And kept them though gone.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
So like like going through these I was like, oh,
this kid's been on five teams. This kid's been on
four teams, and just like trying to match like the
rosters because I got a roster sheet and then I
had a matched up with other like websites to be like, okay,
is this kid even on the team anymore?

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Oh no, he transferred to another school because it says
he's on there, he's on the roster, but no, he
actually transferred, you like to the double to confirm to
make sure this because you know, I don't want to
write up about a player and he don't even not
even on the roster.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
That was a lot of that. That's why this one,
when I did that, I was like whoa like.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
The major.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It was. I remember taking Cavic yo Bro, when you're
doing your thing, can you realize how many transfers like
schools are just all transferss No. And what this effects
is is those four stars, like a lot of those
it's orange is going like we always thought four stars
are still highly right, but there's a lot of caliber.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Bro was back in four stars and like, if.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
You're a three star, you're going you're only you have
You're you're probably going to a mid major or you're
going I see a lot of three three stars going
to going to two. They're just gonna go juco and
then wait for the bamas and the dude.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
To hit the portal at twenty Yeah, money, I'm gonna go.
So I'm gonna drop twenty a game. I'm gonna be
worth nine hundred thousand by the time I'm twenty years old.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Then twenty a game, I'm gonna put my I'm gonna
put up stats because if you're stuck on the bench
and you ain't playing, well, guess what, I don't have
film And then I go, if I want to transfer,
then I'm gonna be stuck. Now I'm gonna go drop
down two levels, which I saw a lot. I saw
a lot of kids who went decided to go to
a big time program and now they're two levels down

(59:55):
because they got no film. So like to me, what
a lot of these kids should do is go there's
nothing wrong going on the Juco route.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Go to Juco route that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
That's why I tell like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
We're in the world now where like we're having that
conversation like remember when when you you a couple of
years older than me. But when I was coming out
like Juco, me going to JUCO was almost.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Like broh, that's your last chance, like you know, the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Last I went to a Juco and all the kids
that were failed off from the big time D one
schools they came in and they were so destroyed. Like yo,
I have to take trains and buses to go to school,
and our and our practice facility is downtown. We got
to take all these train buses. Where I was on
campus living the life. You know, I got a five

(01:00:48):
star facilities. But but that's me growing up the jobs.
But Juco's changed, like so many Juco facilities are our.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Top night and now you but now you could get
some money, So like it's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Community and junior college is not wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
For having a job, like all the rules have opened
up with nil, so it makes it a more realistic route.
And also, like when you think about where a lot
of these jucodes are located, they're on the outskirts, like
they're a lot of not necessarily middle or nowhere, but
they're not necessarily located dead in the center of the
big cities.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
They're where you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
You can fully focus and move and it's just the
campus in basketball, and people on the campus and the
people that you get to know they're and you create
a life there for a couple of years, you get
your value up like all you're really doing, especially some
of the people. But then I tell the people, like,
if you don't have a star next to your name,
it's not like like when I was you could have
somebody who was a zero star who happened to go

(01:01:42):
to a mid major and then build his way up
and went there for four years and then transferred out
or something that was a possibility. But no stars could
get to mid majors D one basketball. It was still
so hard to obtain, but you didn't necessarily have to
have a star next to your name to get there. Now,
like you're talking about three stars being in trouble and
having to go to man majors back in four stars

(01:02:02):
having to go to mid majors and get their value up.
So I'm like, if you don't have a star next
to your name, the simplest thing should be you should
be in a lot of jucos dms sending your film
because that's going to be the route for you to go.
Let them build you and create your value over the
next two years. Let yourself mature at that level. And
Juco is now very I mean, it's always been high
level basketball, but guys that want to get it out

(01:02:24):
of the mud, girls that want to get it out
the mud. But now, like you're talking about some real
deal talent up in there, not just to get it
out the mud, scrappy. This is everybody's last chance. It's
all or nothing mentality. But like that real smooth finesse,
there's real talent. I mean, there's Juco's fielding. What was
that that one Juco that had four five starters, Four
of them are like former five stars and a former

(01:02:45):
four star was there starting five Like, so this Juco
level talent is definitely way way more talented.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Than it was, Like you said, a lot of these
kids don't want to get out of mud man, they
don't want to get dirty. Hey, they don't want that
because the Juco still has a negative connotation to it,
like oh, you gotta go okay jo, But it shouldn't.
But that's where you need to talk to the right people.
You have to have the right circle around to tell you, hey,
this may be the move. Like you were two you

(01:03:15):
were three star, all right? Like like I mentioned for
do you would you rather spend one or two years
on the bench? No, get no minutes. You are three star,
so you're not really a priority, right or go Juco route?
Get that name up now. One game I saw a
lot too. We're doing a lot. This was that there's
a lot of a lot of these those men. Major

(01:03:36):
schools took on Jucos who are averaging eighteen nineteen a game,
and and then now they're going those kids are going
from Juco. Now they're playing at solid programs. Now, there's
nothing wrong with that route, it's just you need to
have the right And that's you know, this coach in
high school basket and you coach high school basket on Texas,
so like that's big time. I'm in New York, and
I see so many kids just take the wrong advice

(01:03:58):
so much. And that's the problem is with especially with
the circuit scene and the shoe the shoe companies being involved.
We listen to the wrong people and then you could
be one of those kids like, oh, you have five
school You've been to five schools every dude, there was
one kid he went to a new school five straight years.

(01:04:18):
Now to me, I'm old for player movement. Like I
hated that the fact that you had to when you transferred,
you had to wait a year. You took that, dude,
I'm sorry, you cannot five chances to to No, that's
too much. And I do I talk a lot of
these five years old.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I don't like him being twenty five years old in Confege.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I like a lot of these rosters are like twenty five,
twenty four to twenty five year olds.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
And it's like, all right, oh, look how old.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Johnson was last year, bro, Like Saint John's roster was old.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Like some of the rosters.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
The rosters are old where you're we're not talking about
old where they got a bunch of juniors and seniors
that are twenty and twenty one twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Two years old, and the oldest you might catch a.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Fifth year senior that's twenty three. No, you talk about bro,
you're starting five. Your youngest player is twenty three. Like
we're talking about we got twenty four to twenty five
twenty six year old guys members eligibility. That's that's pretty
old thing older like basket. The college basketball is no
different than the G League in a sense. The difference
it's like a thing from a campus.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Well, it's like any level like there, you might be
a better prospect, right if you're let's say you're a
twelve year old, you're a better You're probably let's say
you're the best twelve year old to be a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Better prospect playing against ten year olds.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Ye, but you're going to geinst sixteen year olds and
they may not be that good, but simply because they're
just older and more mature, they're gonna beat you up.
Because they're just older and mature doesn't mean they're bad.
They're going to be better players down the line. And
that's who we're kind of going into college, and that's
where a lot of these kids are messing up. These
supposedly top prospects coming out is that when they go

(01:05:57):
against the older teams, they look like they don't belong
and then that projects to the next level, and then
they go from being a top five pick and they
drop into the twenty. That's how Just look at all
those guys who dropped that were supposed to be, you know,
top five people road.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Because you're eight.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
You're an eighteen year old five star going against guys
that were four stars seven years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Now, a lot of these guys work on them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
A lot of these guys that are in college basketball
now aren't necessarily that are been in the college for
six seven years, ain't necessarily former five stars. But a
couple of them be four stars and three stars. And
you're going to get these guys who were four stars
at three years three stars seven years ago. Now they've matured,
they become better basketball players, and they're at a they're
playing college at a professional age. You're twenty four years
old playing college basketball. You are at the age of

(01:06:45):
a professional. People graduate college at twenty one to twenty
two years old. When you talk about coming straight out
of high school, not just talking when we're only talking sports,
going straight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Menfest had a twenty six year old last year a
few years back, so like it just comes to a
point where.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
All the business has ruined and it hasn't ruined it yet,
but it's slowly deteriorating and ruining the essence of basketball
because everything is a business route. But if everybody at
every level can embrace where it's at and still figure
out where to go, then I think basketball will be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
But we have to protect the game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
And it starts at the top, like you said with
everything that came out this week, Like once the integrity
of a game is in question, then it trickles down
to the damage of a game because you start to
be like, well, what is the point of playing? And
you do not want this generation to catch an attitude
of what's the point in playing if the outcome is
already determined in the attack.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
The worst part is that it's a head coach that
got involved with that. The fact that Chauncey Billups got
call Like the players, you can get players be able
to control himself, right, the head coach controls everything like
the play calling, everything, who plays, who doesn't play. So
that's where you get if if if it's Chauncey Billups,

(01:07:57):
who's a head coach of a professional basketball team. That's
even worse than a player doing it in my opinion,
because like I said, he controls everything. He controls who plays,
doesn't play. You get three minutes, right if if if
you've got an overrunder on you know, four points a game,
you know, and and you know he could control that, Like,
all right, you're gonna play this amount of minutes so

(01:08:18):
you can get them four points. We hit them overs.
But I just think the silliness of not knowing that
people are not people are gonna catch up on this,
and it's we just saw John tay Porter get caught,
and we've seen a few people get caught. Like what
makes you think that they're not gonna pick this up? Like, oh,
suddenly this guy who doesn't play is getting a lot

(01:08:38):
of action on his unders, on whatever it is, rebounds, whatever,
Like this guy never gets action, you know. Now it's
suddenly a thousand people are betting his under when it
was like one bet and betting like big money, and like,
come on, you don't think they're gonna be like, hey,
hold up a second, something happening here and guess what
they're Oh, we're gonna find out it's only twenty five,

(01:09:00):
they will get your ass. And that's what happened. And
I just hope we don't see more more of this,
like with the coaches, because that's like remember the referee,
Tim Donnie. That was because that's like, yo, the ref
could control the refs can control the game. That's why
that was such a big deal. But like now you
have head coaches and Adam Silver like the Rose or whatever,

(01:09:26):
that's one guy porter stuff. Like people almost forgot about that.
But like Chauncey Billups is a head coach of a
bad NBA team. He controls a lot, like he could
dictate a lot, and he got busted. That's that's where
if we see more head coaches or any type of
coaches get busted, that's where you can have a big issue.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Yeah, the higher up you start to go into, like
you know, because then if it goes from coaches to
now gms are involved, and it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Because could be like yo, yeah you're not playing him,
he ain't playing, he ain't playing. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
I say, if you get to that level where it
reaches that like the entire integrity of the game is,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
And if you're basketball, you don't want that because we
just talked about all the great players that are in
the league. You know, we're witnessing Lebron maybe his last season,
Steph Curry is on his last few years, possibly kd
or Russell Westbrook, all these great player hardens, all the
great players are on their last legs. So you want
to embrace that and the great young talent we have

(01:10:31):
and even some of the other guys in the middle,
like the Tatums and the Lucas. You want to embrace that.
You don't want this being the focal point when you
you feel like you're on a high. Right now, you
have the new NBC that had you know, they couldn't
have had a better opening start to the seed in
NBC with with Rockets and OKC right and like the

(01:10:53):
new Amazon thing, Like it feels like there's a new
breath of fresh air with the way the game is
being presented. Now you have the TNT guys on a
and like they let that be, Like they didn't touch
it because you watch the post game, in the pre
game and all that halftime, you're like, oh, this is
the same show that we watched on Turner, so oh,
maybe ESPN is not going to mess it up. After
all so like, you feel like you got all of

(01:11:15):
the little stuff. You brought the logo back to the championship,
you know, the trophy back. You brought the pregame stuff
that people like, why don't they show the pregame stuff
and all that, the little thing that people were complaining about,
you brought that back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You don't want to get away from that, be like, Okay,
now we got a betting scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
You want to make sure get that nipped out of
ve make people should forget that in a week and
get back to people talking about Victor wom min Yama.
Is he the greatest play we've ever seen? You know?
Can Cooper Flagg live up to being the number one pick?
All these teams? Can the Knicks win a championship? They're
off to a great start so far. They beat down
on the cast. Can they finally win a championship for
the first time since seventy three? It's so many great storylines,

(01:11:54):
Orlando all this, you know, Ken your heat. They're still like,
can they still figure it out? How to Jimmy Butler?
Can the Warriors do it with Jimmy Butler? So many
the Lakers, Lebron this is it for Lebron blah blah blah.
There's so many great storylines that you don't want that
be hovering over. So they got to figure out they
gotta niped in it. But you know, Adam Silver was
not happy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
With that, especially with how many great games were played
this week, and like that's what takes over. You had
the Denver Nuggets and Golden State Warriors down to the
wire forty two points from Steph Curry, fifty points from
Aaron Gordon, thirty points from Jimmy Butler, like a lot
of these games that went down to the wire. We've
seen some great performances already.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Rat didn't he have fifty? Oh no, that was a
a SGA had fifty five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Yeah, I had. That's what I say.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Aaron Gordon had fifty in a loss. Like he got
forty back to back games. I know they lost the
first game, but then he dropped forty nine the other
night and they won. And so there's just so many
things going on, like great performances, and it gets masked
by this betting thing. And that's where you know, when
when that first dropped on what was that Thursday morning.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
I'm like, oh, the NBA is back.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Brother, we done went from like all the all these performances,
this Houston, OKC game, the Lakers, and this is just
all this drama in the first two days.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
And then you wake up Thursday morning.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
We've seen everybody play in the NBA, and now an
NBA head coach wakes up in the morning and then
the wee hours of the morning is getting we find
out it's getting arrested, not just arrested on like a
DUI or something, arrested by the FBI. But Chris, we're
gonna close out the show right there. We appreciate everybody
for tuning in. We appreciate everybody for listening on this
special collaboration episode of the Coach Mut Murphy podcast and

(01:13:34):
the Off the Ball Podcast with my good friend Chris Lebron.
Make sure you go check out Off the Ball podcast
anywhere you get your podcast, Chris, plug in, your plug
in your preview article because college basketball hasn't started yet,
and so if you haven't purchased yours now you need
to go ahead and purchase. If I'm not mistaken, it
was just twelve dollars, Chris, it was twelve dollars. Dollars, yeah, dollars,

(01:13:58):
But I win't got my copy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
I had to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Like I was always go suport. You could have told
me twenty five it wasn't about the price. It was
always about the support and checking out your work. But
go ahead, plug it in and tell everybody else where
they could check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah. So I did collaborated with the Center Hub and
we did a whole college basketball magazine. I got keV Loot.
You know, he did some a couple pro I think
I forgot what I think he did. He did West
Coast team because heat out west, so he did more
of the West, some of the West Coast conferences. But
I handled the American and American niece out over here
out east. So check that out. Yeah that was that

(01:14:30):
was a fun. Like I said, I got really in
detail with every team in those in those two conferences.
You know, got to talk to some head coaches too,
So check that out. Twelve dollars get you every team preview,
every conference preview. We go down with our top twenty
five players you know in college basketball predictions. You know,

(01:14:50):
all American teams, freshman teams, everything, you know, we break
it down. This is this was a fun project I
was able to do. So go check that out. That's
still avanable center Hub. You can check out. I think
it's pinned on my my Twitter, so check that out
to go to center Hub and get the direct link
right too, and you can purchase that. But you can
follow me Off the Ball podcast on on x Instagram.

(01:15:13):
You know we're gonna get a I got a couple
of cool things coming up. You know, gonna be covering
more in season with the NBA Draft, you know, so
I got that in the works, uh doing a full
season of uh these prospects covering that and then some
cool you know what ifs with my our guy Omar.
You know, I did some We did some of these

(01:15:34):
podcasts previously, like what if Shak never left Orlando? What
if Brandon Roy got on herd? We got one in
the works. I'll give you a little tease. It's it's
gonna talk about two thousand and three draft. We're gonna
we're gonna deep dive into that and how stuff changes
and and it affects your team too, because it changes everything.
And you should thank Detroit for for passing up on

(01:15:57):
Mellow because that kind of changed the whole. Like I mentioned,
you know, this year could be the best one, two
three ever. We could have had that potentially if it
would have been Braun, Mellow and and d Wade, that
could have been the best one two three ever. But
obviously that did not happen. So me and Omar are
gonna go down and uh and change and go into

(01:16:19):
the future and kind of break down what happens if
Mellow goes to Detroit and Wade and well, you know,
we'll see if Wade is the third we'll go and
dive deep dive into that and see how much that
actually changes the whole league going into the future. So
those things are fun. So I got those coming up,
so well. Excited about those projects.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Yeah, one hundred percent. We'll definitely looking forward to that.
We appreciate everybody for tuning in. We appreciate everybody for listening.
Be well, be safe, and we will catch y'all later
on talking more basketball later on in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Peace

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