April 23, 2025 • 50 mins
Welcome to Offbeat! The Light Side of Law Enforcement. In this 50th episode, retired Chief Scott Roder and retired Corporal Pat Hannon share stories about a good robbery stop, bad timing with a flashbang, party crashing, and more!
Hosted by retired police officer Steve Rutherford and Detective Curtis Hadley.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of that Treehouse podcast network. I'm your host, Steve Rutherford,
co host for today's show, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thanks for having me, Steve.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And we're joining with two guests in the studio today.
We've got retired Chief Scott Roeder guilty and we've got
retired Corporal Pat Hannon.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome, gentlemen. Everybody having a good day today so far? Yeah,
can't can't complain. I wouldn't do any good if we did.
I always enjoyed being in the studio, Always have a
lot of fun in here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I love being in the studio. So it's the.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Highlight of my week. Now, speaking of speaking of week, Curtis,
you're having a good week.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I have a great week. I have a great week.
It's been it's been great.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, Well, you know, I've had a productive week right
up until I uh donated part of my right thumb
to the to the finger gods.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, they got your digits.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That they got, well they got a quarter of a digit.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So yeah, I heard we uh, I heard you were
slasing in dison and I went to slice them too much.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, there's I can't think of a whole lot, a
whole lot of things that are more traumatic than sitting
there slicing an onion with a slicer and you're just
going back and forth, and the next thing, you know,
you throw part of your thumb down on the counter
by the rest of the slices.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I would assume it's pretty traumatic. Stand part of your
body just flop on the ground like that, detached from
where it should be.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh, it was so it it didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's like, there goes my hitchhiking career. Well, I still
have my left on.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I can only go one direction the side of the road,
some dirt on it, or did go to the doctor? Well,
you know, I Karen was kind of freaking out. She
she didn't really like looking at it. But I put
direct pressure on it, and then I wrapped a wrapped
a bandage on it, and that immediately got soaked in blood.
(02:15):
So I stuck another bandage on top and just kept
adding it and got to the point to where I
finally said, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I can't stop the bleeding, and well, there's nothing left
to stitch. I just shaved off the whole side of it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so you have a thumb print now or no,
can I've got half a thumbprint. Oh, there we go.
We have the plane of heist.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Touch touch the Yeah, one of those I had as
I did learn something though. When we got to the er,
they they had me they little triage area and they
put a drape down the ground. The doctor runs over
and he just rips off the bandage of got on there.
(02:56):
So it's it's an important blood down the ground and
they're yelling for a finger tourniquet. Oh wow, Okay, they
make tourniquits for fingers, but it's not like your normal
tourniquit that's larger that you can slide down your arm
and then sinch down. It's it looks like bro looks
(03:16):
like a condom for like a pencil.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I thought, you're gonna tell me if one of those
finger like finger traps where you could get you can't
get it back out finger. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So so basically the doctor said, well, this is gonna
hurt a little bit. That's always a bad sign. So
he gets this thing out that again, it's got a
hole that you could probably put a pencil in He's like,
just push your thumb through here and keep in mind
the whole wounds on the end of my thumb. Oh man,
I everybody in the er knew I was there at
that point in the top.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I was glad you made alive.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, thanks, And Karen rolled her eyes at me the
whole time because I was talking to a nurse there
and I was like, hey, listen, you ever listened to Offbeat.
I'm sure You've got some funny stories here in the er,
and I'm recruiting guests that come on the show, and yeah, care. Anyways,
it was very traumatic, so I'm glad you came out
on the other side still very painful. Now, I did
(04:15):
want to mention something. We got an event coming up,
the Texas Peace Officers Memorial Ride. That's an event that
I co founded back in twenty thirteen. It's part of
our Texas State Memorial Peace Officers Memorial and that is
coming up here this weekend. Basically, it's one hundred and
fifty mile bicycle ride. We've got riders that ride from
San Antonio into the state capital to our Texas Peace
(04:37):
Officers Memorial. Each one of the writers is representing a
fallen officer wear a bracelet to represent them, and we
raise funds for our three Texas Concerns of Police Survivors chapters.
So really really good event. And if you're in the
Austin area on Sunday, and believe Sunday's the twenty seventh,
we'll be arriving at the Capitol or Peace Officers Memorial one,
(05:01):
So i'd invite anyone that's gonna be the Austin area Again,
that's Sunday, the twenty seventh, one pm, swing by the Capitol.
Watch watch everybody right in on the bikes and all that.
So it's it's a good deal. You still right, I'm
gonna be doing support and okay, you know, let's go
back to the thumb conversation. No, no, I don't have
(05:22):
a full digit on my thumb, so yeah, that that
would be a very painful ride for me. So anyways, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Less you at least you can get supported with the
thumb's up. Wow, Curtis, you have to wrap and red
that day, as I can see it. Real well.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, well let's get down to some of these stories. Now.
Scott and Pat the I know you guys because you
both retired from the Farmer's Branch Police Department obviously that's
where I retired from as well. And you guys were
you know, you were there when I started, and then
you guys all left and I was left by myself
there to try to hold down the four Well sheep,
(06:01):
have we abandoned you?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah? You did. Y'all are like, oh god, we can't
work with this guy. Let's retire to I left out.
No one's still working here well.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And one of my one of my fondest memories here
of Chief Roader next to me anytime you anytime we
would have recruits out there testing, he liked to get
on his mountain bike and he would go down a
jogging trail at the college next it's Brookhaven College, right
next to the our police station there in Farmer's Branch.
(06:33):
And what we said we had to do like a
mile run I think when we were trying out and
Chief you you rode your bike down a half mile
down the trail. We had to leave the PD run
down literally run around you on your bike and come back.
And the day I did my physical assessment, it was
like there was snow on the ground, is freezing cold.
(06:53):
I ran down to this man sitting next to me
on his bike, turned around and ran back to the.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
To the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, so I'm famous for being a polar bear.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But yeah, you know again.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You you were deputy chief deputy chief there at Farmer's Branch.
You were there for how many years? Twenty one before
I retired? Oh wow, so you retired Farmer's Branch at
twenty one years? Did you work at any other agencies?
I had started off with Garland, worked my way through
Roulette and then over to Farmer's Branch and pat you
(07:29):
you retired from Farmer's Branch. Any other agencies that you worked.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
For or started out?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And while at police bub very small town back then,
they sent me the cabby. I got experienced and back
then two years experience for to get on Farmer's branch,
and so they hired me, and then I retired Farmer's Branch.
Then I went to Wlckwall's Sheriff's office. Soon came ut
BETA for nine years.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See when you all were there, it was actually Farmer's Branch.
Now it's Farmer's limb because it's been so long.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Oh boy, well, they all a big mess.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So they're out there now there. You know, I thought
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, and Pat whenever you you you came over to
Farmers Branch because one of your friends from the academy
had gone to Farmer's Branch. Correct exactly now was Farmer's
Branch everything you thought it was going to be when
you got there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know. I left around that and we didn't have
a big budget then, but we did have things that
I did. I found that the Farmer's Branch didn't have.
I walked in.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I had this.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
They get We were these brown uniforms and uh, you know,
and one side said radio patrol and one said our
police patch. And so my second day there, lieutenant is
walking around the station and and I'm looking around, and
I'll see about fifteen or so portal radio uh in chargers.
(08:44):
And I said, well, Lieutenant, uh, looks like y'all got
a lot of a lot of at all the portables.
He said, yeah, there, we don't wear portals on day shift,
no radios on day shift, no rails undation.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Sh I said, uh, of course.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
After my second day, I won't going to say anything smart,
so I said, and then I looked at it and
said they're charging old days. I said, oh, I didn't
think about that. You know, but I said, I didn't
get enough courage to say, well, lou if Lieutenant, if
if I went into a neighborhood chased the person, how
are they gonna know where I'm at? And he goes, well,
(09:18):
a neighbor, come out call us. Anyway, Luckily, about three
weeks later we were on portal radios of they shift.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I thought, you're gonna tell me they were solar panel
only or something. That's the only time they could charge
during the day. I think they had solar pedals back then.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're all solar. They can only charge in every sunlight.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
What was really weird is we had these little radios
for everybody but the guy who had the far West district.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So the guy furnished away from the police department had
a big portable radio.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
It was huge, The battery on it was bigger, and
it was just a different model, and it was weird.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And then we got onto Carleton's trunking system. You know
your trunking system.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The real long portal wheels we had. Yeah, I lost
one tuble squad car. Yeah that's the one.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But I don't want to bring that out, So I
just figured he said the guy work in the district,
the furthest away from the station, had the larger radio,
was a gas powered or anything, might as well have
been that poor guy.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Nobody want to carry the battery around.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Now, Scott, you man, you you gave me a whole
list of stories that that you came up with. And
it's almost like this the theme to your stories where
people are always trying to get away?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Do you blame him?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, see, they look at me and they go, I
cannot run him.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
But the reality of it was, although I was always
kind of a pudgy guy, is I could run a
long ways. I used to run marathons and I used
to ride my bike from RaaS over to the police
department and then back home. So wow, the one guy,
we were busting a party with a bunch of drunk
(11:04):
kids and the guys were piling out the back door
and this stupid kids trying to out run me, and
he's trying.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
To drag the keg.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Cause, man, he was going.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
For the going for the whim.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That keg is important and I gotta give that guy kudos. Man,
But I was like, forget the keg and he's like, no, no, no.
We worked hard to get the Yeah, it wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Get this.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, that's a keg run there boys.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Going to keg run. Yeah, with a cop chasing you. Now,
have you ever you mentioned another story to me? Have
you ever given advice to someone who claims to be
a victim of kidnapping?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
This, I was a lieutenant, and I'm relieving the dispatcher
because we used to have to do that. So I'm
up there sitting at the at the desk and the
phone rings and this lady comes on. She's talking sort
of rationally to me, and she tells me that she
had been kidnapped by law enforcement and taken across state lines.
(12:19):
And of course, you know you're not in Farmer's Branch
because we're nowhere near there. She told me she was
in California.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Wait, so she had called to tell you this.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
She used to live in Farmer's Branch and she knew
that we would give her good advice. So I told
her that, well, what she needed to do was go
down to the local FBI office. And she said she
was in San Francisco now and she had been taken
from Nevada across California. So I said, well, the FBI
(12:54):
investigates law enforcement for criminal offenses, and they also investigate
interstate kidnapping. So I said, what you need to do
because by now I've realized she's total nut job, So.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't wait, she's confused. Yeah, she was confused.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So I told her, well, what you need to do
is go down to the local FBI office and demand
to speak to the special Agent in charge and don't
take anything less than the special Agent in charge. And
so she went down there and did that, apparently, because
(13:33):
the next day when I come into work, I got
a note contact the Special Age in charge of the
San Francisco office.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm mad, and it started with what did I ever
do to you? I bet he was heated. I bet
that story is still told his dinner table.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I'm sure they went, well, let's send you down to
the at F they'll have an answer for you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how many abbreviations can we go here? Guys?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know we can't help you here at the at
if you're gonna need to go down.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
To the day. I knew something's wrong with the CEE.
I CIA got involved.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well, she wouldn't take no for an answer, and they
ended up having to drag her out and then take
her to get her committed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, bless her soul.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Next time she calls us for advice. Hey, you might
just want to keep that to your soul, you know,
sorry I called.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, Oh good great.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Everybody has to have a talent, right, oh yeah, absolutely, Now,
pat you also mentioned the story about people trying to
get away from you and you. I understand you had
worked an accident once involving an intoxicated individual and you're
not You had a partner there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
But yeah, this this was the brown uniform days were
young officer. When that was dispatched to value of you
in thirty five on a major action about three o'clock
in the morning. It's one of those nice where we
were just totally busy. I had a supervisor backed me up,
so no time. You know, if the patrol officer backed
me up, he would work the accident. I'd work to
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the DWI or vice versa.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yes, split up the work.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But supervisor, being so important, had other things to do.
Absolutely absolutely, I didn't have time, so I worked the
record and the accent. So I've mentioned before, we didn't
have cages in our cars. Those cages are cars, so
we had put them in the front seat, hand cuff them,
put a seat belt on them, and then do our business.
(15:34):
So I'm doing this out there, my report in the
middle of this fireman going everywhere and everything analysis, and
I hear my sergeant check out. He goes, we're buy
numbers like B five, Like bingo, yeah bingo, hold your cards,
yeah B five.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I've got a man laying face down on Harry Hines.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Harry Heines. How close is Harry He.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Harry hands his service Road.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Thirty five, go to the Dallas, the bad part of
Harry Hines, and he's found some guy laying on the road.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
This is the service road with Harry Hines. They called
Harry the Service Show thirty five. Okay, basically okay, And
I looked back, clicked on me. No prisoner, He's gone.
So I said, oh, I've go on the radio said
eighty five. He goes, you got handcuffs on? He goes, yes,
he's mine.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And you could hear a hold of cards.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You could hear the mics clicking all over the city.
He just cutting up, laughing.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Two weeks I think it's three weeks later, we had
cages in our cars and roll bars.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
See now I've seen a theme here. Same thing with
the portable radios. You were able to get those a
little bit later on. And now cages in the car.
So we called some all the money. You know, that's
a good way to get new equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And he charged him for theft for stealing your handcuffs.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
No, but uh that those handcuffs were Sergeant Jim McLaren's handcuffs. No,
they there were similar. Guy.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I had a side of the note story. They're not
the story. So that's that's called it called a senior moment.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
We get a lot of those pats.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, it all right.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I'm just looking to the list here to see what
I what.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I want to go with.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Uh, staying on, people are always trying to get away.
Let's go with the you got some taco bell robbery.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, Johnny, an officer named Johnny Johnny D and I
were sitting in a church parking lot and we were talking,
and you know, because it was one of those quiet
nights that you always you never want to say, hey,
it's really quiet tonight. But so we're sitting there talking
and then I look in the mirror and I can
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see this car hand butt down web Chapel coming south
and I said, wow, how fast is he going? Johnny's
got the Ford looking radar and he says, oh, like
fifty five.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you want to stop him? He says, yeah, let's
stop him.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
So we jump out after him, and he gets down
to Valley Vue and makes a right from the center
lane of the three lanes going southbound, and we see
him throw something out. The FBI would call that a clue.
So we get him pulled over. We're up there talking
to him, and about that time the dispatcher comes on
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and Johnny's up there talking to the driver and I'm
covering him from back there, and dispatch comes on says,
we've just had a robbery at the Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Suspects are in a.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Whatever it was, and we're looking at the.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Two people that he's describing in the car that he's describing,
and yeah, we've already got this one. Well, they had
a they had a bag of money that they had
thrown in a in a Taco Bell bag of all
things that they had chunked out the window.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I was about to ask, was it was it a
taco that they threw out the window. No, it was
the money that they had thrown out, oh, any weapon?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, they had a Thompson center pistol. The single shot
a pistol. It looks menacing, but it's one shot.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
See Thompson the tender or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
Thompson contender.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I I don't know, Curtis, what would you have thrown out?
The gun, the money or the taco prior the passenger.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
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Speaker 4 (20:08):
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Speaker 7 (20:08):
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Speaker 1 (20:11):
Man. Now, we have seen a few storms in our
area lately, and many storms that we see this time
of year have hail in them. What should homeowners do
if their home is hit by one of these hail storms?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
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I'm a firm believer that you should have a good
relationship with a contractor or a roofing company that you
already made contact with, and unfortunately, if you do have
an event at your home. Call them, let them know
that you want them to come out. You need to
have your property inspected. You don't know the level of
damage you have on top of your roof. You may
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look from the ground and think you don't have anything,
or I don't have any leaks, but that's not the
real truth. We got on a lot of roofs that
look in okay shape on the ground. We get up
there and they are completely demolished with hell indentations on
the shingles in the valleys, along the siding windows or
cracked and none of that's visible from the ground. And
so please do yourself favor, call somebody that you trust,
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We show you the level of damage that you might have,
but and not always you have that much damage. We
may come down and say, you know, you got a
little bit of hits here and there, but it really
wasn't the storm that's going to cause damage. So you
really don't have much to worry about. Let's go ahead
and just keep an eye on everything and go from there.
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So two different scenarios are very possible. Not every time
you have hell at your house, you need to call
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don't call a claim in until you know you've verified
the level of damage that you have.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
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Speaker 1 (23:02):
And we're back back to more Offbeat, the light side
of law enforcement. I'm your host Steve Rutherford, co hosts
for today's show, Attack Dev Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We're joined with two guests in studio today. We've got
retired Chief Scott Rod and retired Corporal Pat Hannan. So
pleasure having you guys in studio today. And on the break,
you guys were telling us all sorts of stories we're
going to dive into here in a minute with this
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on break that you remember the spat team, and in
fact Pat was as well. But Scott, you were the
(23:58):
first commander on a swat team.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think it had to do with my military background.
I had been an Army ranger before I became a cop. Oh,
thanks for your service, sir.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I'd like to think of it as I'm proof
that bird shit and fools fall from the sky.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They both go splat.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yep, they both go splat.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And you say you were the first commander of swat,
Do you mean like that's when swat was invented?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, the first one for Farmer's brand.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, I had to I had to clarify. I had
to clarify.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Sorry, it was the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
So one of the tools that they gave us early
on was these distraction devices that sort of a stun
grenade kind of thing. They flashed in their bang. Well
it comes in a steel case.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Would be called a flash bang flash bang. They flash
so simple.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Senior moment.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
So we're going to hit this house down in Dallas
because there's supposed to be a bunch of meth monsters
inside there. And we reached the door, and before you
throw the stun grenade, and you're supposed to look to
make sure that you know it's okay to throw it
in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know that's probably a good idea.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, And well.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
The guy who was going to throw it in there
looked in there and there's a kid sitting on top
of a freezer with an ivy stuck in his head
and the IV stand standing there, and thank god he
didn't throw the dang thing in there. So we just
went in and took down the meth monsters that were
in there and went about our business. But I could
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just see nothing good happening if we could have threw
that in there.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, you said there was a kid in there sitting
on a freezer, a little.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
An infant, an infant, an infant, and it had an
IV in its head and its head and its head.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't know what was wrong with it, but mom
went to jails and.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Then it took out the swat officer.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Now he's got a live yeah def deck in his
hand and he's walking on the finger trying to get
this this pan back.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He never throw your pan away, always keep your pin.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
So he's standing there, he's got his rifle between his legs.
It's dark, he's got a flashlight under his eye, trying
to get the pin back.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I just throw the go wrong, just throw it down
the road. Everything go on with water out there by
that pool. He's out there, the crime scene tape taping
down the handle on it. I just would hand off here.
Oh yeah, so uh yeah, you got you guys were
on swat together. Yep. Any other funny swat stories I
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mean I that y'all can share with us.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, well, we were called out, so we weren't full time,
but we were very, very active when we went over Dallas,
Herbie and Curlton and everything else. I did have a
deal where we had a situation where we were hit
apartment complex. We can talk about that. Do you think
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it hit the party complex?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Okay, we well many and we had a party complex
and Farmer's branch one time and we hit it and
we walked, we went the door open.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
There were some kids. We didn't didn't def take it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
We hit it.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
There was about three kids sitting on a couch eating cereal,
watching TV the daytime.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And we go in.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The bad guys nowt there and we say, hey, where's
who are we looking for? The kid goes, he's down
there working on his car, and so we all looked
that way. Sure enough, we see a dude and two
other guys working. I got a hood lifted there working
on his car. So we went over there for our
submachine guns and our guns and our swat stuff. When
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we surround the guy and we say, we said, hey,
you know police. He looks at he's drinking a cold beer.
I said, drop the beer, and he looks drop the beer.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So he goes.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
He puts the beer on top of his head, and
he got this beer balance. Now he's got his hands up,
and I thought, bluck and shoot that beer can right
off that head. That would be so cool. But yeah,
so he went to jail too. But he was you know,
never never waste a good beer. I wonder if he
was related to the kid tracking the keg.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Brother. You don't waste a beer.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So he went from a beer run to a beer balance. Yes, yes,
why would you waste to go? If it's a hot beer, hey,
throw it down. It's a beer.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You don't waste a cold beer. There's only two kinds
of beer. It's cold and free, right, those are the
best kinds.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, white throw it down.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So when you went to uh, when you guys went
to cuffing up or whatever, leave the beer on his
head or.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
No, I think he fell. If on the ground, now
they can we might have we might help, We might
have health with that. Put him on the ground and
been with him. Yeah, m oh, I tried, I lost
my sick pistol, went across that field.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Remember now, Oh I forgot.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We're still looking for it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
The Lord Jesus Christ, we're looking at me. Well you
know after me. You know, we wore these sas style
holsters back then, and today they were lower and you
wear your infry vest and interferior pistol.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
They were kind of loose.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
We run over to get this guy, and luckily I
know who the officers behind me, and I didn't ever
know when it fell out of my host in the
middle of this open area in this apartment complex, and
so we get to take care of situation and I
get a table shower.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
He goes, hey, this year's my sick pistol.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Oh yeah, I said, Now my luck, some twelve year
old kids got it right now.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
But yeah, the only thing missing was pat going time
out and I forgot my gun.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Luckily I had my sub gun on me.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Everybody stopped first, We're going to slow this down. I'm
gonna go get my gun.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's why you call it. Last got the clean up guy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, you know that that's kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
When I stopped the car one time on Marsh Lane
about the gun and I learned to listen that day
as a young officer. And I walked up there was
riding the ticket to this guy. You know. I fell
down there and BacT the old three fifty seven magnum
days and I went down to, oh oh, I forgot
my pistol the station. You know, I booked this somebody
and you have a lock up.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I learned, now put in your trunk. That's the
way you don't lose it. Okay, you don't forget it.
So I looked this guy and we know we didn't
have radio, we didn't have video back then. He said,
I said, let me ask you up to sirve He goes,
these are these guys you know you can talk to.
I said, are you a badass? He goes, no, Sir,
I go good because I forgot my pistol.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He laughed like we did.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I was ticket see you later.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Thank you areptre Shire. You co operation.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well and that that is one thing about your reputation
is that you're a good shot. And he you know,
everyone said, hey, old hen and only needs one bullet.
And there I am fairly certain you don't recall this,
but when I first hired on at Farmer's Branch, you
and I had to run down the county I think
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one of our evidence guys or jailer got stuck with
a needle or whatever. We had to go run down
and see some of the county narks guys down there.
We jumped inside a Crown Vic to leave, and as
you were getting in, I looked at your gun on
your host and you didn't have a magazine in your gun.
And I was sitting there thinking, okay, I'm a new hire.
I got a supervisor right here. How do I tell
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him he doesn't have a magazine in his gun? And
I was thinking, well, if the magazine fell out, at
least he still has a round chamber. And then I've
been told this guy can hit anything with one bullet.
Do I say anything? And as we were pulling around
the water tower behind the back of the PD, I
mentioned it to you and you said, oh, yeah, this
dadgum's seat belt which hits the release on it. You
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stopped the car and you opened up the back door
and sure enough, your magazine's on the back floor, like okay.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, that that that that seatbelt operation they had those
four crown necks.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
They would hit that just ride and it's just me and.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just released the magazine.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I got to be I got the car, I'll be
cooking it, you know, I'd be making sure it's back here.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah. But us wrong handed people, we don't have that problem.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Mine was over here. I was. I thought, very fortunate.
I thought maybe he's a bluetooth gun or something is
wireless less gun. You don't need a magazine.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
No, it's it's like what did the stormtroopers? Yeah, okay,
now let's get back to the uh the people are
always trying to get away theme.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You you helped out some other agencies with some robbery
suspects for McDonald's once.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Correct, Well, it was actually the robbery took place in
our city up midway in uh Spring Valley. Okay, that
McDonald's there shift change, so I'm headed.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I was working. We we had a heck of a month.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That month.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We caught like three sets of arm robbers and four
or five stolen cars, including the other one I'm gonna
tell you about later. But I run up there to
the McDonald's and the guy said, they're going southbound on
Midway there's two of them. They have machine guns, and
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they're in a Chevy Chavette, which is the old equivalent
of a Chevy you go, you know, just a real
and he says, and they got a doughnut tire on
the back. So they get to Alpha Road and they're
gonna take a left. Well, Addison, when I'm putting this
(33:45):
information out, is making a bee line down midway and
they get behind them, and then the chases on. We're
going down Alpha and we went busted through intersections at
like seventy or eighty miles an hour with this chasing
this little piece of crap car that's got a donut doughnut.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Tire on it.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
And finally when we got over by Preston the doughnut
tire blue, the car did like three whippies and then
Johnny d had gotten in behind it and it ended
up wrecked in the middle of Alpha down there. So
the people are getting out of the car and running
(34:29):
every direction scattering. Yeah, there was four men in the
car and two of them jumped out and ran onto
the golf course that was down there, and it was
just moist enough that night that you could see their
tracks in.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, it was like the do is telling you follow
the force.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Well, we we got the one right away, and then
the second one we couldn't find. By that time, we
had Dallas PD Dallas helicopter. Dallas helicopter showed up. So
then we're all standing around kind of scratching our head
because we find where the guy got to the driveway
of the house, but we couldn't find the guy. And
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then all of a sudden, the helicopters up above us
and you hear man on the roof put your hands
in the air, and so we got it.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So hey, this guy looks over the roof.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He's down this roof and it's like it's like Adam
twel deal. I mean, you know, you on the roof,
your hands and all that stuff. But he crawls out.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
He looks down.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
This guy looks down all these cos there's fifty cops
holding down middle.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'll be back.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
He came down and he didn't have it was a
problem after that, so caught them all.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yep, yeah, you don't rob Taco Bell or McDonald in
that town.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's right. Yes, yes, that's safe. We take our fast
food seriously. You know, it was like a Chevy's version
of the ugo, you know, but a yougo is for
two people. And then there's a joke they had made
a four door version called the we Go, and then
they had a minivan called that we All Go.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I thought.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
They go.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, that's if your neighbors have one. Okay, now you
actually led into you were talking about a stolen car
as a matter of fact. Yeah, do you remember where
the railroad China was? Was that stolen operation?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Okay, So there's a bunch of trees in this undeveloped
lot in this stolen car is sitting there. I got
a call on it and I went down there and
I went and I confirmed that, you know, there was
a stolen car, and I called for the wrecker, and
I'm waiting there, and again Johnny D just happened to
be there, and he and I are talking while I'm
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waiting for the wrecker, and this car pulls up and
this guy jumps out of the car and starts walking
over towards the stolen car.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So you're you're in a marked police car out there
right across the street. You've called for record to come
to this car, and now you just some guy's just
gonna come walking up to it.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Here comes the genius and he jumps in the car
and he's trying to get it started, and I said, well,
I guess that's probable.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Cause I think we can link him to the car.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
So then we went and arrested him, and he kind
of he just made it my day. That's why I
told Johnny, I said, watch the idiot get in this
stolen car and make my day.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And then he did it. It was holy crap, he
he is getting in it. He's psychic. Well was he
just a random guy gonna take that car again or
was he the guy to put it there in the
first place. I think he was the one that put
it there, just coming back to visit. Yeah. I didn't
give a chance to talk to him much about it.
M M yeah, that's that's not a real swift playing there.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You know, talking about Johnny Delpho. Where we really.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know Johnny, but I want to I want
to have to hear of this guy.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
We got a music servants call the place and we
went knocked to the door and the guy wouldn't answer
the NOI he's playing music too loud. So he looks
out there and sees two calls, so he turns on
the music. I hear you knocking, but you can't come in. Yes,
what we got in?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
And he visits our city jail.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, we well, here's knocking, we can't come in. You
know what, We're gonna quit knock.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, well knocked the hinges off? Maybe yeah, blast him off? Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And Pat, you you mentioned a strange family violence called
you went on. This was when you were a younger officer.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
You're Brownie form days again. And you know, at one
time when I was, we were young police officers. Family violence.
We couldn't enforce some of those laws. I mean, luck
they can. I took a lawsuiting dollars for it to happen. Well,
we had an elderly lady who lived in a good
part of farm with brandon Is home and I got
(39:08):
a she called us man her doper son came home
wanted some money or grandson. I'm sorry, came home, want
some money for dope and he she wouldn't give me,
so she he wrecked out and totally wrecked out toward
his house.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Up.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Well, I'm sitting out there on the porch talking to
this elder lady and she's upset, and my sergeant drives
up and he rose window and goes, hey, I go yes, sir,
He goes, you tell her that we don't have those
civil bills and this is not criminal. You need to
get in service. I went, yes, sir, and I turned
around that little lad. I said, I guess I need
to get back in service. You know, it's really embarrassing.
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I was going, you know, and oh gosh, you know,
and after holding the bag, sorry, but law changed and.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
We could.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Say, I mean, thank goodness, the law did change. But yeah,
that's kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Your sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
They're trying to do your trying to do your job
as a young officer, and someone just rolls up, Hey,
get back in service.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
The same sergeant was, we were seat belt law Texas
came in, so we had to wear seat belts. Now
in case eighties, we men are.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Our sergeant again, the invention of the seat belt, our sergeant.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, this lady comes up beside and said valley view
in marsh lane and she rolled you win it down.
We didn't have a seat belts on. She was officer's
seat belt. And my favorite sergeant said, lady, you worry
about your business and I'll worry about mine.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And and I'm seeking in the seat. You know when
I'm gonna get fired over this, you know, But luckily
thing has happening.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
If we ever got complained on they talked to our
favorite sergeant, well they forgot about us.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, they were so mad at him by that we
were an afterthought.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Have you ever wondered when when the actual of the
finger it's gonna become where no one knows what we
mean because it's been thirty years since we've had rolled
up windows, but when you do this people still know it.
But yeah, but I'm saying, when do you think it's
gonna get to the point where we do it to
a kid and they go, why are you rolling your
finger like that? Because yeah, because it doesn't look as
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good you pushed the button. Yeah, universal un language. But yeah,
same thing with the phone was still do this.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Now, Scott, you told me about a burglary suspect.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, well, I got dispatched to a burglary report call.
It's at like one or two o'clock in the morning,
and I go down to this fine apartment complex that
we had off Villa Creek, which is right by LBJ,
and it was next to where one of our officers
had gotten shot and killed, just like a couple of
(41:52):
years before. And I'm this new rookie cop, you know,
wearing my fancy brown uniform. I get out of the
car and I got my clipboard to take the report,
and I got my flashlight, and I had to put
my hat on because you could get like two demerits
on your lovely evaluation if you got caught without one.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So you're I mean, you're I mean, you're looking good.
You got all your equipment, got your hat on. I
was ready to take that report.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Well, I going I'm going upstairs to the apartment complex.
In the apartment complex, and I get to the top
of the stairs and I can hear this woman screaming.
I mean, you know the horrified screams victims have.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
She's going on.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
She's screaming, and I see this guy trying to climb
through this broken window at this house and it looks like, hey,
that's the apartment. So he sees me about the same
time I see him, and he starts walking towards me,
and he's getting right to me, and you know, I've
got flashlight in one hand, I've got clipboard in the
(42:58):
other and had on prim and Proper, and I see
that he's got a gun in his waistband. So I
knew that I couldn't get to mine before he could
get to his, So I just reached out and grabbed
his and threw all my crap away, and then the
fight was on, and I got him subdued and handcuffed
(43:20):
and got the woman to stop screaming. I said, could
you please call the station and tell them that I
need to.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Help down here?
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And anyway, I finally get the guy and I get
him in the car and she tells me I don't
have a pound, So I get him in the car
and I'm checking in rout to the station with the burglar,
and our favorite sergeant.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Comes on says, I thought you were going on there
and take a report.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I said, so did, I.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Took a burglar.
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a guest on the show. Now, Scott, you you and
Pat were both on SWAT together and we've heard some
of your SWAT stories. You you mentioned one that I
you know, I think you should share it. You should
share and it's just a bizarre SWAT story, Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
So I got I was working narcotics besides being on SWAT.
So I got information that these guys at this apartment
complex in Dallas were selling large amounts of heroin and
also large amounts of cocaine. And so I get a
search warrant, and instead of having SWAT practice that day
(47:05):
when all the guys shot showed up for SWAT practice,
I said, Hey, we're gonna run a search warrant.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
So we go.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
We go down to Dallas and we get a U
haul so that we can take everybody down there, so
and be somewhat covert about it. Well, anyway, we go
up there and we get to the door of the
place and we hit it and we're making entry, and
apparently the first guys in saw more of that. Pat
(47:37):
was one of the first two in, and they saw
more of it than I did because I was one
of the last guys in. So we hit the door.
The door comes flying open, and I hear please police,
and then everybody's going in and then I hear, dude,
it's like three D.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
What they were watching.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
The fugitive movie with Harrison Ford where the swat team
hits the house and the door comes flying open, and
that's exactly when we hit.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It the same then. Oh yeah, one guy thought it
was around down. He's like, man, yeah, what's like, it's
really in my living room.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
What are the odds that you guys hit the door
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
He sees that.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
And what's really cool is we get in there and
we do our thing and we're policing up all the
contra band and we ended up with like a kilo
of coke, a pound of heroin and seventeen thousand, nine
and ninety six dollars and fifty cents. Because my lieutenant
(48:51):
at the time came in and said, uh, all that money,
I said, even the fifty cents, yep, take it all.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's all seeds from dope sales.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
Okay, maybe by Van now yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
I think out throwing three dollars on top of a
minute even to eighteen to swift count again.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, yes, all right, guys, So I had three d
swat raid.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I like it. Dude.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
That was the funny part because the dude came out
and that came out so elongated.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Like dude.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Well, guys, that's what we got for today's show. Uh, Scott,
pat thanks for coming on the show today.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
We appreciate you, my pleasure. I had great time. I
encourage everybody to do this. If you've got a good story.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
That's if you don't.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
If you don't, or if you don't, yeah, we we'll
find a way to make it funny. All right, guys,
until next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay
safe and watch each other six
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of that Treehouse podcast network. I'm your host, Steve Rutherford,
co host for today's show, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Thanks for having me, Steve.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
And we're joining with two guests in the studio today.
We've got retired Chief Scott Roeder guilty and we've got
retired Corporal Pat Hannon.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome, gentlemen. Everybody having a good day today so far? Yeah,
can't can't complain. I wouldn't do any good if we did.
I always enjoyed being in the studio, Always have a
lot of fun in here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I love being in the studio. So it's the.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Highlight of my week. Now, speaking of speaking of week, Curtis,
you're having a good week.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I have a great week. I have a great week.
It's been it's been great.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, Well, you know, I've had a productive week right
up until I uh donated part of my right thumb
to the to the finger gods.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, they got your digits.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That they got, well they got a quarter of a digit.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So yeah, I heard we uh, I heard you were
slasing in dison and I went to slice them too much.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Well, there's I can't think of a whole lot, a
whole lot of things that are more traumatic than sitting
there slicing an onion with a slicer and you're just
going back and forth, and the next thing, you know,
you throw part of your thumb down on the counter
by the rest of the slices.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I would assume it's pretty traumatic. Stand part of your
body just flop on the ground like that, detached from
where it should be.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh, it was so it it didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's like, there goes my hitchhiking career. Well, I still
have my left on.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I can only go one direction the side of the road,
some dirt on it, or did go to the doctor? Well,
you know, I Karen was kind of freaking out. She
she didn't really like looking at it. But I put
direct pressure on it, and then I wrapped a wrapped
a bandage on it, and that immediately got soaked in blood.
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So I stuck another bandage on top and just kept
adding it and got to the point to where I
finally said, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I can't stop the bleeding, and well, there's nothing left
to stitch. I just shaved off the whole side of it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, so you have a thumb print now or no,
can I've got half a thumbprint. Oh, there we go.
We have the plane of heist.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Touch touch the Yeah, one of those I had as
I did learn something though. When we got to the er,
they they had me they little triage area and they
put a drape down the ground. The doctor runs over
and he just rips off the bandage of got on there.
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So it's it's an important blood down the ground and
they're yelling for a finger tourniquet. Oh wow, Okay, they
make tourniquits for fingers, but it's not like your normal
tourniquit that's larger that you can slide down your arm
and then sinch down. It's it looks like bro looks
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like a condom for like a pencil.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I thought, you're gonna tell me if one of those
finger like finger traps where you could get you can't
get it back out finger. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So so basically the doctor said, well, this is gonna
hurt a little bit. That's always a bad sign. So
he gets this thing out that again, it's got a
hole that you could probably put a pencil in He's like,
just push your thumb through here and keep in mind
the whole wounds on the end of my thumb. Oh man,
I everybody in the er knew I was there at
that point in the top.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, I was glad you made alive.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, thanks, And Karen rolled her eyes at me the
whole time because I was talking to a nurse there
and I was like, hey, listen, you ever listened to Offbeat.
I'm sure You've got some funny stories here in the er,
and I'm recruiting guests that come on the show, and yeah, care. Anyways,
it was very traumatic, so I'm glad you came out
on the other side still very painful. Now, I did
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want to mention something. We got an event coming up,
the Texas Peace Officers Memorial Ride. That's an event that
I co founded back in twenty thirteen. It's part of
our Texas State Memorial Peace Officers Memorial and that is
coming up here this weekend. Basically, it's one hundred and
fifty mile bicycle ride. We've got riders that ride from
San Antonio into the state capital to our Texas Peace
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Officers Memorial. Each one of the writers is representing a
fallen officer wear a bracelet to represent them, and we
raise funds for our three Texas Concerns of Police Survivors chapters.
So really really good event. And if you're in the
Austin area on Sunday, and believe Sunday's the twenty seventh,
we'll be arriving at the Capitol or Peace Officers Memorial one,
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So i'd invite anyone that's gonna be the Austin area Again,
that's Sunday, the twenty seventh, one pm, swing by the Capitol.
Watch watch everybody right in on the bikes and all that.
So it's it's a good deal. You still right, I'm
gonna be doing support and okay, you know, let's go
back to the thumb conversation. No, no, I don't have
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a full digit on my thumb, so yeah, that that
would be a very painful ride for me. So anyways, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Less you at least you can get supported with the
thumb's up. Wow, Curtis, you have to wrap and red
that day, as I can see it. Real well.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, well let's get down to some of these stories. Now.
Scott and Pat the I know you guys because you
both retired from the Farmer's Branch Police Department obviously that's
where I retired from as well. And you guys were
you know, you were there when I started, and then
you guys all left and I was left by myself
there to try to hold down the four Well sheep,
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have we abandoned you?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah? You did. Y'all are like, oh god, we can't
work with this guy. Let's retire to I left out.
No one's still working here well.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And one of my one of my fondest memories here
of Chief Roader next to me anytime you anytime we
would have recruits out there testing, he liked to get
on his mountain bike and he would go down a
jogging trail at the college next it's Brookhaven College, right
next to the our police station there in Farmer's Branch.
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And what we said we had to do like a
mile run I think when we were trying out and
Chief you you rode your bike down a half mile
down the trail. We had to leave the PD run
down literally run around you on your bike and come back.
And the day I did my physical assessment, it was
like there was snow on the ground, is freezing cold.
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I ran down to this man sitting next to me
on his bike, turned around and ran back to the.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
To the.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, so I'm famous for being a polar bear.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But yeah, you know again.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You you were deputy chief deputy chief there at Farmer's Branch.
You were there for how many years? Twenty one before
I retired? Oh wow, so you retired Farmer's Branch at
twenty one years? Did you work at any other agencies?
I had started off with Garland, worked my way through
Roulette and then over to Farmer's Branch and pat you
(07:29):
you retired from Farmer's Branch. Any other agencies that you worked.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
For or started out?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And while at police bub very small town back then,
they sent me the cabby. I got experienced and back
then two years experience for to get on Farmer's branch,
and so they hired me, and then I retired Farmer's Branch.
Then I went to Wlckwall's Sheriff's office. Soon came ut
BETA for nine years.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See when you all were there, it was actually Farmer's Branch.
Now it's Farmer's limb because it's been so long.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Oh boy, well, they all a big mess.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So they're out there now there. You know, I thought
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, and Pat whenever you you you came over to
Farmers Branch because one of your friends from the academy
had gone to Farmer's Branch. Correct exactly now was Farmer's
Branch everything you thought it was going to be when
you got there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
You know. I left around that and we didn't have
a big budget then, but we did have things that
I did. I found that the Farmer's Branch didn't have.
I walked in.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I had this.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
They get We were these brown uniforms and uh, you know,
and one side said radio patrol and one said our
police patch. And so my second day there, lieutenant is
walking around the station and and I'm looking around, and
I'll see about fifteen or so portal radio uh in chargers.
(08:44):
And I said, well, Lieutenant, uh, looks like y'all got
a lot of a lot of at all the portables.
He said, yeah, there, we don't wear portals on day shift,
no radios on day shift, no rails undation.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Sh I said, uh, of course.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
After my second day, I won't going to say anything smart,
so I said, and then I looked at it and
said they're charging old days. I said, oh, I didn't
think about that. You know, but I said, I didn't
get enough courage to say, well, lou if Lieutenant, if
if I went into a neighborhood chased the person, how
are they gonna know where I'm at? And he goes, well,
(09:18):
a neighbor, come out call us. Anyway, Luckily, about three
weeks later we were on portal radios of they shift.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I thought, you're gonna tell me they were solar panel
only or something. That's the only time they could charge
during the day. I think they had solar pedals back then.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're all solar. They can only charge in every sunlight.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
What was really weird is we had these little radios
for everybody but the guy who had the far West district.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So the guy furnished away from the police department had
a big portable radio.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
It was huge, The battery on it was bigger, and
it was just a different model, and it was weird.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And then we got onto Carleton's trunking system. You know
your trunking system.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The real long portal wheels we had. Yeah, I lost
one tuble squad car. Yeah that's the one.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But I don't want to bring that out, So I
just figured he said the guy work in the district,
the furthest away from the station, had the larger radio,
was a gas powered or anything, might as well have
been that poor guy.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Nobody want to carry the battery around.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Now, Scott, you man, you you gave me a whole
list of stories that that you came up with. And
it's almost like this the theme to your stories where
people are always trying to get away?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Do you blame him?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, see, they look at me and they go, I
cannot run him.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
But the reality of it was, although I was always
kind of a pudgy guy, is I could run a
long ways. I used to run marathons and I used
to ride my bike from RaaS over to the police
department and then back home. So wow, the one guy,
we were busting a party with a bunch of drunk
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kids and the guys were piling out the back door
and this stupid kids trying to out run me, and
he's trying.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
To drag the keg.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Cause, man, he was going.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
For the going for the whim.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That keg is important and I gotta give that guy kudos. Man,
But I was like, forget the keg and he's like, no, no, no.
We worked hard to get the Yeah, it wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Get this.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, that's a keg run there boys.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Going to keg run. Yeah, with a cop chasing you. Now,
have you ever you mentioned another story to me? Have
you ever given advice to someone who claims to be
a victim of kidnapping?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:58):
This, I was a lieutenant, and I'm relieving the dispatcher
because we used to have to do that. So I'm
up there sitting at the at the desk and the
phone rings and this lady comes on. She's talking sort
of rationally to me, and she tells me that she
had been kidnapped by law enforcement and taken across state lines.
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And of course, you know you're not in Farmer's Branch
because we're nowhere near there. She told me she was
in California.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Wait, so she had called to tell you this.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
She used to live in Farmer's Branch and she knew
that we would give her good advice. So I told
her that, well, what she needed to do was go
down to the local FBI office. And she said she
was in San Francisco now and she had been taken
from Nevada across California. So I said, well, the FBI
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investigates law enforcement for criminal offenses, and they also investigate
interstate kidnapping. So I said, what you need to do
because by now I've realized she's total nut job, So.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't wait, she's confused. Yeah, she was confused.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So I told her, well, what you need to do
is go down to the local FBI office and demand
to speak to the special Agent in charge and don't
take anything less than the special Agent in charge. And
so she went down there and did that, apparently, because
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the next day when I come into work, I got
a note contact the Special Age in charge of the
San Francisco office.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I'm mad, and it started with what did I ever
do to you? I bet he was heated. I bet
that story is still told his dinner table.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I'm sure they went, well, let's send you down to
the at F they'll have an answer for you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, how many abbreviations can we go here? Guys?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know we can't help you here at the at
if you're gonna need to go down.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
To the day. I knew something's wrong with the CEE.
I CIA got involved.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Well, she wouldn't take no for an answer, and they
ended up having to drag her out and then take
her to get her committed.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, bless her soul.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Next time she calls us for advice. Hey, you might
just want to keep that to your soul, you know,
sorry I called.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, Oh good great.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Everybody has to have a talent, right, oh yeah, absolutely, Now,
pat you also mentioned the story about people trying to
get away from you and you. I understand you had
worked an accident once involving an intoxicated individual and you're
not You had a partner there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
But yeah, this this was the brown uniform days were
young officer. When that was dispatched to value of you
in thirty five on a major action about three o'clock
in the morning. It's one of those nice where we
were just totally busy. I had a supervisor backed me up,
so no time. You know, if the patrol officer backed
me up, he would work the accident. I'd work to
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the DWI or vice versa.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yes, split up the work.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
But supervisor, being so important, had other things to do.
Absolutely absolutely, I didn't have time, so I worked the
record and the accent. So I've mentioned before, we didn't
have cages in our cars. Those cages are cars, so
we had put them in the front seat, hand cuff them,
put a seat belt on them, and then do our business.
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So I'm doing this out there, my report in the
middle of this fireman going everywhere and everything analysis, and
I hear my sergeant check out. He goes, we're buy
numbers like B five, Like bingo, yeah bingo, hold your cards,
yeah B five.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I've got a man laying face down on Harry Hines.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Harry Heines. How close is Harry He.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Harry hands his service Road.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Thirty five, go to the Dallas, the bad part of
Harry Hines, and he's found some guy laying on the road.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
This is the service road with Harry Hines. They called
Harry the Service Show thirty five. Okay, basically okay, And
I looked back, clicked on me. No prisoner, He's gone.
So I said, oh, I've go on the radio said
eighty five. He goes, you got handcuffs on? He goes, yes,
he's mine.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And you could hear a hold of cards.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
You could hear the mics clicking all over the city.
He just cutting up, laughing.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Two weeks I think it's three weeks later, we had
cages in our cars and roll bars.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
See now I've seen a theme here. Same thing with
the portable radios. You were able to get those a
little bit later on. And now cages in the car.
So we called some all the money. You know, that's
a good way to get new equipment.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And he charged him for theft for stealing your handcuffs.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
No, but uh that those handcuffs were Sergeant Jim McLaren's handcuffs. No,
they there were similar. Guy.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I had a side of the note story. They're not
the story. So that's that's called it called a senior moment.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
We get a lot of those pats.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, it all right.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I'm just looking to the list here to see what
I what.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I want to go with.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Uh, staying on, people are always trying to get away.
Let's go with the you got some taco bell robbery.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, Johnny, an officer named Johnny Johnny D and I
were sitting in a church parking lot and we were talking,
and you know, because it was one of those quiet
nights that you always you never want to say, hey,
it's really quiet tonight. But so we're sitting there talking
and then I look in the mirror and I can
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see this car hand butt down web Chapel coming south
and I said, wow, how fast is he going? Johnny's
got the Ford looking radar and he says, oh, like
fifty five.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So you want to stop him? He says, yeah, let's
stop him.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
So we jump out after him, and he gets down
to Valley Vue and makes a right from the center
lane of the three lanes going southbound, and we see
him throw something out. The FBI would call that a clue.
So we get him pulled over. We're up there talking
to him, and about that time the dispatcher comes on
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and Johnny's up there talking to the driver and I'm
covering him from back there, and dispatch comes on says,
we've just had a robbery at the Taco Bell.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Suspects are in a.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Whatever it was, and we're looking at the.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Two people that he's describing in the car that he's describing,
and yeah, we've already got this one. Well, they had
a they had a bag of money that they had
thrown in a in a Taco Bell bag of all
things that they had chunked out the window.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I was about to ask, was it was it a
taco that they threw out the window. No, it was
the money that they had thrown out, oh, any weapon?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, they had a Thompson center pistol. The single shot
a pistol. It looks menacing, but it's one shot.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
See Thompson the tender or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
Thompson contender.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I I don't know, Curtis, what would you have thrown out?
The gun, the money or the taco prior the passenger.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is Offbeat, the light side of law enforcement. Check
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Speaker 1 (19:55):
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cookfw dot com. What is happening, Daniel?
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Man.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
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Speaker 1 (20:11):
Man. Now, we have seen a few storms in our
area lately, and many storms that we see this time
of year have hail in them. What should homeowners do
if their home is hit by one of these hail storms?
Speaker 7 (20:25):
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I'm a firm believer that you should have a good
relationship with a contractor or a roofing company that you
already made contact with, and unfortunately, if you do have
an event at your home. Call them, let them know
that you want them to come out. You need to
have your property inspected. You don't know the level of
damage you have on top of your roof. You may
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look from the ground and think you don't have anything,
or I don't have any leaks, but that's not the
real truth. We got on a lot of roofs that
look in okay shape on the ground. We get up
there and they are completely demolished with hell indentations on
the shingles in the valleys, along the siding windows or
cracked and none of that's visible from the ground. And
so please do yourself favor, call somebody that you trust,
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have a relationship with them. Hope it's us love to
come out. We do a free assessment, We take pictures,
We show you the level of damage that you might have,
but and not always you have that much damage. We
may come down and say, you know, you got a
little bit of hits here and there, but it really
wasn't the storm that's going to cause damage. So you
really don't have much to worry about. Let's go ahead
and just keep an eye on everything and go from there.
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So two different scenarios are very possible. Not every time
you have hell at your house, you need to call
a claim in, and that's the most important thing. You
don't call a claim in until you know you've verified
the level of damage that you have.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And you just touched on this. You offer free inspections. Correct, absolutely, Steve.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
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your property overall, you know, maybe takes fifteen to twenty
minutes on normal and we give you all the evidence
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Speaker 2 (22:07):
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Speaker 1 (23:02):
And we're back back to more Offbeat, the light side
of law enforcement. I'm your host Steve Rutherford, co hosts
for today's show, Attack Dev Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Thanks for having me, and.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
We're joined with two guests in studio today. We've got
retired Chief Scott Rod and retired Corporal Pat Hannan. So
pleasure having you guys in studio today. And on the break,
you guys were telling us all sorts of stories we're
going to dive into here in a minute with this
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on break that you remember the spat team, and in
fact Pat was as well. But Scott, you were the
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first commander on a swat team.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think it had to do with my military background.
I had been an Army ranger before I became a cop. Oh,
thanks for your service, sir.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I'd like to think of it as I'm proof
that bird shit and fools fall from the sky.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They both go splat.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yep, they both go splat.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And you say you were the first commander of swat,
Do you mean like that's when swat was invented?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
No, the first one for Farmer's brand.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, I had to I had to clarify. I had
to clarify.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Sorry, it was the early nineties.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
So one of the tools that they gave us early
on was these distraction devices that sort of a stun
grenade kind of thing. They flashed in their bang. Well
it comes in a steel case.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Would be called a flash bang flash bang. They flash
so simple.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Senior moment.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
So we're going to hit this house down in Dallas
because there's supposed to be a bunch of meth monsters
inside there. And we reached the door, and before you
throw the stun grenade, and you're supposed to look to
make sure that you know it's okay to throw it
in there.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know that's probably a good idea.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, And well.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
The guy who was going to throw it in there
looked in there and there's a kid sitting on top
of a freezer with an ivy stuck in his head
and the IV stand standing there, and thank god he
didn't throw the dang thing in there. So we just
went in and took down the meth monsters that were
in there and went about our business. But I could
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just see nothing good happening if we could have threw
that in there.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, you said there was a kid in there sitting
on a freezer, a little.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
An infant, an infant, an infant, and it had an
IV in its head and its head and its head.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't know what was wrong with it, but mom
went to jails and.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Then it took out the swat officer.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Now he's got a live yeah def deck in his
hand and he's walking on the finger trying to get
this this pan back.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
He never throw your pan away, always keep your pin.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
So he's standing there, he's got his rifle between his legs.
It's dark, he's got a flashlight under his eye, trying
to get the pin back.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I just throw the go wrong, just throw it down
the road. Everything go on with water out there by
that pool. He's out there, the crime scene tape taping
down the handle on it. I just would hand off here.
Oh yeah, so uh yeah, you got you guys were
on swat together. Yep. Any other funny swat stories I
(26:48):
mean I that y'all can share with us.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, well, we were called out, so we weren't full time,
but we were very, very active when we went over Dallas,
Herbie and Curlton and everything else. I did have a
deal where we had a situation where we were hit
apartment complex. We can talk about that. Do you think
(27:11):
it hit the party complex?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Okay, we well many and we had a party complex
and Farmer's branch one time and we hit it and
we walked, we went the door open.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
There were some kids. We didn't didn't def take it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
We hit it.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
There was about three kids sitting on a couch eating cereal,
watching TV the daytime.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
And we go in.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
The bad guys nowt there and we say, hey, where's
who are we looking for? The kid goes, he's down
there working on his car, and so we all looked
that way. Sure enough, we see a dude and two
other guys working. I got a hood lifted there working
on his car. So we went over there for our
submachine guns and our guns and our swat stuff. When
(27:50):
we surround the guy and we say, we said, hey,
you know police. He looks at he's drinking a cold beer.
I said, drop the beer, and he looks drop the beer.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
So he goes.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
He puts the beer on top of his head, and
he got this beer balance. Now he's got his hands up,
and I thought, bluck and shoot that beer can right
off that head. That would be so cool. But yeah,
so he went to jail too. But he was you know,
never never waste a good beer. I wonder if he
was related to the kid tracking the keg.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Brother. You don't waste a beer.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So he went from a beer run to a beer balance. Yes, yes,
why would you waste to go? If it's a hot beer, hey,
throw it down. It's a beer.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You don't waste a cold beer. There's only two kinds
of beer. It's cold and free, right, those are the
best kinds.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, white throw it down.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
So when you went to uh, when you guys went
to cuffing up or whatever, leave the beer on his
head or.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
No, I think he fell. If on the ground, now
they can we might have we might help, We might
have health with that. Put him on the ground and
been with him. Yeah, m oh, I tried, I lost
my sick pistol, went across that field.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Remember now, Oh I forgot.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We're still looking for it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
The Lord Jesus Christ, we're looking at me. Well you
know after me. You know, we wore these sas style
holsters back then, and today they were lower and you
wear your infry vest and interferior pistol.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
They were kind of loose.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
We run over to get this guy, and luckily I
know who the officers behind me, and I didn't ever
know when it fell out of my host in the
middle of this open area in this apartment complex, and
so we get to take care of situation and I
get a table shower.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
He goes, hey, this year's my sick pistol.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Oh yeah, I said, Now my luck, some twelve year
old kids got it right now.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
But yeah, the only thing missing was pat going time
out and I forgot my gun.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Luckily I had my sub gun on me.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Everybody stopped first, We're going to slow this down. I'm
gonna go get my gun.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
That's why you call it. Last got the clean up guy.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, you know that that's kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
When I stopped the car one time on Marsh Lane
about the gun and I learned to listen that day
as a young officer. And I walked up there was
riding the ticket to this guy. You know. I fell
down there and BacT the old three fifty seven magnum
days and I went down to, oh oh, I forgot
my pistol the station. You know, I booked this somebody
and you have a lock up.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I learned, now put in your trunk. That's the
way you don't lose it. Okay, you don't forget it.
So I looked this guy and we know we didn't
have radio, we didn't have video back then. He said,
I said, let me ask you up to sirve He goes,
these are these guys you know you can talk to.
I said, are you a badass? He goes, no, Sir,
I go good because I forgot my pistol.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
He laughed like we did.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I was ticket see you later.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Thank you areptre Shire. You co operation.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well and that that is one thing about your reputation
is that you're a good shot. And he you know,
everyone said, hey, old hen and only needs one bullet.
And there I am fairly certain you don't recall this,
but when I first hired on at Farmer's Branch, you
and I had to run down the county I think
(31:15):
one of our evidence guys or jailer got stuck with
a needle or whatever. We had to go run down
and see some of the county narks guys down there.
We jumped inside a Crown Vic to leave, and as
you were getting in, I looked at your gun on
your host and you didn't have a magazine in your gun.
And I was sitting there thinking, okay, I'm a new hire.
I got a supervisor right here. How do I tell
(31:35):
him he doesn't have a magazine in his gun? And
I was thinking, well, if the magazine fell out, at
least he still has a round chamber. And then I've
been told this guy can hit anything with one bullet.
Do I say anything? And as we were pulling around
the water tower behind the back of the PD, I
mentioned it to you and you said, oh, yeah, this
dadgum's seat belt which hits the release on it. You
(31:56):
stopped the car and you opened up the back door
and sure enough, your magazine's on the back floor, like okay.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, that that that that seatbelt operation they had those
four crown necks.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
They would hit that just ride and it's just me and.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just released the magazine.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I got to be I got the car, I'll be
cooking it, you know, I'd be making sure it's back here.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah. But us wrong handed people, we don't have that problem.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Mine was over here. I was. I thought, very fortunate.
I thought maybe he's a bluetooth gun or something is
wireless less gun. You don't need a magazine.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
No, it's it's like what did the stormtroopers? Yeah, okay,
now let's get back to the uh the people are
always trying to get away theme.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You you helped out some other agencies with some robbery
suspects for McDonald's once.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Correct, Well, it was actually the robbery took place in
our city up midway in uh Spring Valley. Okay, that
McDonald's there shift change, so I'm headed.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I was working. We we had a heck of a month.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That month.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We caught like three sets of arm robbers and four
or five stolen cars, including the other one I'm gonna
tell you about later. But I run up there to
the McDonald's and the guy said, they're going southbound on
Midway there's two of them. They have machine guns, and
(33:24):
they're in a Chevy Chavette, which is the old equivalent
of a Chevy you go, you know, just a real
and he says, and they got a doughnut tire on
the back. So they get to Alpha Road and they're
gonna take a left. Well, Addison, when I'm putting this
(33:45):
information out, is making a bee line down midway and
they get behind them, and then the chases on. We're
going down Alpha and we went busted through intersections at
like seventy or eighty miles an hour with this chasing
this little piece of crap car that's got a donut doughnut.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Tire on it.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
And finally when we got over by Preston the doughnut
tire blue, the car did like three whippies and then
Johnny d had gotten in behind it and it ended
up wrecked in the middle of Alpha down there. So
the people are getting out of the car and running
(34:29):
every direction scattering. Yeah, there was four men in the
car and two of them jumped out and ran onto
the golf course that was down there, and it was
just moist enough that night that you could see their
tracks in.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, it was like the do is telling you follow
the force.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Well, we we got the one right away, and then
the second one we couldn't find. By that time, we
had Dallas PD Dallas helicopter. Dallas helicopter showed up. So
then we're all standing around kind of scratching our head
because we find where the guy got to the driveway
of the house, but we couldn't find the guy. And
(35:14):
then all of a sudden, the helicopters up above us
and you hear man on the roof put your hands
in the air, and so we got it.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So hey, this guy looks over the roof.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He's down this roof and it's like it's like Adam
twel deal. I mean, you know, you on the roof,
your hands and all that stuff. But he crawls out.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
He looks down.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
This guy looks down all these cos there's fifty cops
holding down middle.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I'll be back.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
He came down and he didn't have it was a
problem after that, so caught them all.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yep, yeah, you don't rob Taco Bell or McDonald in
that town.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's right. Yes, yes, that's safe. We take our fast
food seriously. You know, it was like a Chevy's version
of the ugo, you know, but a yougo is for
two people. And then there's a joke they had made
a four door version called the we Go, and then
they had a minivan called that we All Go.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I thought.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
They go.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No, that's if your neighbors have one. Okay, now you
actually led into you were talking about a stolen car
as a matter of fact. Yeah, do you remember where
the railroad China was? Was that stolen operation?
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Okay, So there's a bunch of trees in this undeveloped
lot in this stolen car is sitting there. I got
a call on it and I went down there and
I went and I confirmed that, you know, there was
a stolen car, and I called for the wrecker, and
I'm waiting there, and again Johnny D just happened to
be there, and he and I are talking while I'm
(36:55):
waiting for the wrecker, and this car pulls up and
this guy jumps out of the car and starts walking
over towards the stolen car.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
So you're you're in a marked police car out there
right across the street. You've called for record to come
to this car, and now you just some guy's just
gonna come walking up to it.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Here comes the genius and he jumps in the car
and he's trying to get it started, and I said, well,
I guess that's probable.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Cause I think we can link him to the car.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
So then we went and arrested him, and he kind
of he just made it my day. That's why I
told Johnny, I said, watch the idiot get in this
stolen car and make my day.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And then he did it. It was holy crap, he
he is getting in it. He's psychic. Well was he
just a random guy gonna take that car again or
was he the guy to put it there in the
first place. I think he was the one that put
it there, just coming back to visit. Yeah. I didn't
give a chance to talk to him much about it.
M M yeah, that's that's not a real swift playing there.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You know, talking about Johnny Delpho. Where we really.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know Johnny, but I want to I want
to have to hear of this guy.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
We got a music servants call the place and we
went knocked to the door and the guy wouldn't answer
the NOI he's playing music too loud. So he looks
out there and sees two calls, so he turns on
the music. I hear you knocking, but you can't come in. Yes,
what we got in?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
And he visits our city jail.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, we well, here's knocking, we can't come in. You
know what, We're gonna quit knock.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, well knocked the hinges off? Maybe yeah, blast him off? Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And Pat, you you mentioned a strange family violence called
you went on. This was when you were a younger officer.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
You're Brownie form days again. And you know, at one
time when I was, we were young police officers. Family violence.
We couldn't enforce some of those laws. I mean, luck
they can. I took a lawsuiting dollars for it to happen. Well,
we had an elderly lady who lived in a good
part of farm with brandon Is home and I got
(39:08):
a she called us man her doper son came home
wanted some money or grandson. I'm sorry, came home, want
some money for dope and he she wouldn't give me,
so she he wrecked out and totally wrecked out toward
his house.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Up.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Well, I'm sitting out there on the porch talking to
this elder lady and she's upset, and my sergeant drives
up and he rose window and goes, hey, I go yes, sir,
He goes, you tell her that we don't have those
civil bills and this is not criminal. You need to
get in service. I went, yes, sir, and I turned
around that little lad. I said, I guess I need
to get back in service. You know, it's really embarrassing.
(39:43):
I was going, you know, and oh gosh, you know,
and after holding the bag, sorry, but law changed and.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
We could.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Say, I mean, thank goodness, the law did change. But yeah,
that's kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Your sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
They're trying to do your trying to do your job
as a young officer, and someone just rolls up, Hey,
get back in service.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
The same sergeant was, we were seat belt law Texas
came in, so we had to wear seat belts. Now
in case eighties, we men are.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Our sergeant again, the invention of the seat belt, our sergeant.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, this lady comes up beside and said valley view
in marsh lane and she rolled you win it down.
We didn't have a seat belts on. She was officer's
seat belt. And my favorite sergeant said, lady, you worry
about your business and I'll worry about mine.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
And and I'm seeking in the seat. You know when
I'm gonna get fired over this, you know, But luckily
thing has happening.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
If we ever got complained on they talked to our
favorite sergeant, well they forgot about us.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, they were so mad at him by that we
were an afterthought.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Have you ever wondered when when the actual of the
finger it's gonna become where no one knows what we
mean because it's been thirty years since we've had rolled
up windows, but when you do this people still know it.
But yeah, but I'm saying, when do you think it's
gonna get to the point where we do it to
a kid and they go, why are you rolling your
finger like that? Because yeah, because it doesn't look as
(41:16):
good you pushed the button. Yeah, universal un language. But yeah,
same thing with the phone was still do this.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Now, Scott, you told me about a burglary suspect.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, well, I got dispatched to a burglary report call.
It's at like one or two o'clock in the morning,
and I go down to this fine apartment complex that
we had off Villa Creek, which is right by LBJ,
and it was next to where one of our officers
had gotten shot and killed, just like a couple of
(41:52):
years before. And I'm this new rookie cop, you know,
wearing my fancy brown uniform. I get out of the
car and I got my clipboard to take the report,
and I got my flashlight, and I had to put
my hat on because you could get like two demerits
on your lovely evaluation if you got caught without one.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
So you're I mean, you're I mean, you're looking good.
You got all your equipment, got your hat on. I
was ready to take that report.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Well, I going I'm going upstairs to the apartment complex.
In the apartment complex, and I get to the top
of the stairs and I can hear this woman screaming.
I mean, you know the horrified screams victims have.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
She's going on.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
She's screaming, and I see this guy trying to climb
through this broken window at this house and it looks like, hey,
that's the apartment. So he sees me about the same
time I see him, and he starts walking towards me,
and he's getting right to me, and you know, I've
got flashlight in one hand, I've got clipboard in the
(42:58):
other and had on prim and Proper, and I see
that he's got a gun in his waistband. So I
knew that I couldn't get to mine before he could
get to his, So I just reached out and grabbed
his and threw all my crap away, and then the
fight was on, and I got him subdued and handcuffed
(43:20):
and got the woman to stop screaming. I said, could
you please call the station and tell them that I
need to.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Help down here?
Speaker 5 (43:28):
And anyway, I finally get the guy and I get
him in the car and she tells me I don't
have a pound, So I get him in the car
and I'm checking in rout to the station with the burglar,
and our favorite sergeant.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Comes on says, I thought you were going on there
and take a report.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I said, so did, I.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Took a burglar.
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Man, we're back back to more offbeat, the light side
of law enforcements. We're joining with two guests in studio today.
We've got retired Chief Scott Roeder and retired Corporal Pat Hannon. Now,
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a guest on the show. Now, Scott, you you and
Pat were both on SWAT together and we've heard some
of your SWAT stories. You you mentioned one that I
you know, I think you should share it. You should
share and it's just a bizarre SWAT story, Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
So I got I was working narcotics besides being on SWAT.
So I got information that these guys at this apartment
complex in Dallas were selling large amounts of heroin and
also large amounts of cocaine. And so I get a
search warrant, and instead of having SWAT practice that day
(47:05):
when all the guys shot showed up for SWAT practice,
I said, Hey, we're gonna run a search warrant.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
So we go.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
We go down to Dallas and we get a U
haul so that we can take everybody down there, so
and be somewhat covert about it. Well, anyway, we go
up there and we get to the door of the
place and we hit it and we're making entry, and
apparently the first guys in saw more of that. Pat
(47:37):
was one of the first two in, and they saw
more of it than I did because I was one
of the last guys in. So we hit the door.
The door comes flying open, and I hear please police,
and then everybody's going in and then I hear, dude,
it's like three D.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
What they were watching.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
The fugitive movie with Harrison Ford where the swat team
hits the house and the door comes flying open, and
that's exactly when we hit.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It the same then. Oh yeah, one guy thought it
was around down. He's like, man, yeah, what's like, it's
really in my living room.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
What are the odds that you guys hit the door
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
He sees that.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
And what's really cool is we get in there and
we do our thing and we're policing up all the
contra band and we ended up with like a kilo
of coke, a pound of heroin and seventeen thousand, nine
and ninety six dollars and fifty cents. Because my lieutenant
(48:51):
at the time came in and said, uh, all that money,
I said, even the fifty cents, yep, take it all.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
It's all seeds from dope sales.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
Okay, maybe by Van now yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
I think out throwing three dollars on top of a
minute even to eighteen to swift count again.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, yes, all right, guys, So I had three d
swat raid.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I like it. Dude.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
That was the funny part because the dude came out
and that came out so elongated.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Like dude.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Well, guys, that's what we got for today's show. Uh, Scott,
pat thanks for coming on the show today.
Speaker 5 (49:37):
We appreciate you, my pleasure. I had great time. I
encourage everybody to do this. If you've got a good story.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
That's if you don't.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
If you don't, or if you don't, yeah, we we'll
find a way to make it funny. All right, guys,
until next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay
safe and watch each other six
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