June 4, 2025 • 52 mins
In this 55th episode, retired officers Jimmy Womack and Ricky Hale share stories about a female flasher, a horny K9, surprise snakes, and more! Welcome to Offbeat! The Light Side of Law Enforcement.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, The Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse podcast Network. On today's show, we're
going to talk about reptiles, rookie experiences, who knows what else.
I'm your host Steve Rutherford, co host for today's show,
Detective Curtis Hadley. Great to be here, guys, Thank you,
(00:46):
and we're joining with two guests in studio. We've got
retired officer Jimmy Womack Hello, and retired officer Ricky Hale. Hello.
How you doing. Welcome gentlemen. Everybody having a good day
to day. So far, so far today. He's too young,
I mean, yes, you have to be determined. We'll see
how this comes.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, at the end of this, Ricky is like at
my age, nothing surprises mate.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
No, not at least we're all honest here. Yeah. Well,
and you know what, curtis here, you're the only one
here that's not retired. Oh yeah, yeah, what's the hold up?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'll just fifty more years, you know something, by paying taxes,
paying the house off, you know, you say, fifty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh, that's what I like. You keep paying. I keep rechieving,
absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It makes the wife happy when I go to work
every day and somehow I check those shows up like
for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So well. I actually I was at a retirement ceremony
yesterday and saw two guys retire. I mean, they're going
on to second careers. But it's cool to see two
guys that have finished out their law enforcement career and
and they're moving forward. It's good to see him retire
with life to left in him. They could do something
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You don't want.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You don't want the guys that are broken and you know,
just are going to sit out on the front porch
and want the guys that still have some life in them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And they did their service. Now it's time to go
out and have some fun. So yeah, exactly do something funny,
you start a podcast or something.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Definitely definitely recommend the encore career. Now, Jimmy, you've you're
retired as an officer. How many years did you do
in law enforcement?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Active twenty seven? And you still still reserve or have
your commission? Kerry correct a reserve for didn't county you?
So no? Really? Okay, what all agencies did you work
for during your time? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Uh, I started with the with the Navy, doing security
forces in the Navy UH station in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Thank you for your service, by the waysolutely the and.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Then for evaluation purposes, I started with the New Orleans
Shares Department as a special deputy and got to do
foot patrol for modern grow worked in the Orleans Parish Prison.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I got to do a bunch of stuff associated with that.
So that was my first civilian law enforcement job.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Then I moved to Paris, Texas. Moved back to Paris, Texas,
I should say, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Where I graduated high school.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Uh, and then worked for Paris PD for twenty years
and then took a retirement gig on court career again,
if you will, in lake Worth as the chief of
lake Worth.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
That retirement gig as a chief. Yeah you're the chief
of lake Worth, Yeah, su I was. I was almost
as number two. The whole lake was yours.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, just just just the coast, just the drive arts,
just as the water belonged to the Sheriff's office, Marshall's.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Marshall's have that just the coast, the coast of lake Worth. Yeah,
the coast of Lake Worth? How many how many vacations
have I sent out there? None? None? Now, Now, Ricky,
what about you? How many years in law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I've got a total of twenty eight with the city
of the Colony. I retired there in twenty sixteen. Before that,
I've got about four years with Little MPD.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, So from Little Elm over to the colony, yes, sir,
then retired from the colony. Yes, sir. Are you enjoying retirement? Oh?
I love it. I love it. Retirement's not a bad gig, No,
not at all. I didn't know you were. Yeah, I
was there for a while. It was truly a little
elm When he was there, it was full.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It was there's a little twig. Yeah, there was just
two of us, one on day shift, one on night shift.
The true meaning the roll calls. Man, it's been great.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, it wasn't basically that they now.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Back then you just had a time check with with
Didon County. That was it and laws you checked in,
you know, with your time check, you were good to go.
What year was that way past? Let's see, so I
was in we've been back in the early eighties covered
wagons or yeah. Well you still use the little stropham
(05:08):
cup with stream call boxes, smoke screen.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Man, great call box okay, and you guys brought a
lot of stories with you today.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I'm anxious to get into those, but but something is
something I wanted to mention here at first. Karen Karen
actually brought a story to my attention this week and
she shared it with me.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It it was a guy and I don't remember where
this was at, I want to say somewhere here local.
He saw a snake on a out lane in the road,
so he was going to save this reptile. And I
don't know, he went out to pick this snake up
to get it off the road. Normally, I'm you know,
(05:49):
steering towards the snake. Uh that the thing, you know,
snakes moved, they don't have legs. That's not normal. I
mean is in the Bible. I mean come on, yeah, whatever.
So the guy goes in, he picks up the snake
to remove out of the road and said, copperhead bit
the guy. Ooh he had the coming.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, so it just you know, hey, let's let's go
ahead and toss out the public service announcement for the day.
If if you're not familiar with snakes and you don't
know what's venomous and what's not, don't mess with it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So yeah, I know, and there's no organizations out there
save the snake. I promise you saved this snake. You know,
there's nothing out there is like case, just for thirty
eight cents a day, you could save this snake. No,
because they're nasty and they bite. Okay, that's the reason
why there is none.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Well apparently this guy became fairly ill, obviously, but he
did and spend some time in the hospital for it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So yeah, we're we're to the wise.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Don't and anti venom is not cheap either. On all
the inters they rake you on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, life is hard, you know. Well, and you know,
and continuing on with that, Jimmy, you understand you brought
uh brut a snake story with you today. I do.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do have several snake stories, uh several several, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna try to stick it to one.
So when you get used to getting these sneak calls,
you know, like you know, it's just another snake call.
And so it's one call the middle of the night,
called people saying that there was a large snake. So
(07:27):
I'm like, yeah, right, you.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Know, sure, sure, drive over there.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
You know, when I get when I get close to
the house, I see people on the front porch. So
just parking the street and I get out of the
car and I'm carrying an s L twenty flashlight.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know, so it wasn't a big flashlight, the big yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
The So I'll start to walk through the ditch to
kind of cut across to go over to where they are,
and they're like.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Don't, don't go through there, and I'm like why. He's like, well,
that's where that snake is. I'm like, where is it?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And he pointed over into some tall grass not more
than probably five ten feet from me, and uh I
shine my light over there, and it was I don't know,
fifteen twenty foot long python.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That was as big around as I was. And I'm
like and uh so I just run and jump onto
the porch with them. I didn't even you were the
guy that called. Yeah, well they called. They called, I'm
here to help. Well, we needed to call somebody else.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
A friend of mine at the time owned a a
pet store in town and it was the name of
the store was Swim, Slither and Crawl. Nope, And uh
so I called Tyler and I said I said, hey, man,
we got a giant snake.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And I said, it's literally a giant snake. And uh.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
So he came over in the middle of the night
and he said it was a female what python, and
that it was shedding and when they're shedding there very
aggressive and so he runs over and jumps on his head.
And then after he did this is when he decides
to elicit my help in wrangling the snake. And he's like,
(09:18):
you know, grab the grab the back, and I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like screw you and see Cromodal hunter.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
So I eventually went over to help him, just to
save his life. And so we pulled it over to
the truck, shoved it into the truck. Long, long story shorter.
Come to find out, it was like two doors down
the neighbor had this.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Pet snake, if you will.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Uh, and it had converted a bedroom in the house
to its living quarters and had a big.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Log in there and they fed at rabbits and.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Uh some something had broken the window and it escaped
through that window. But yeah, that that changed my mindset
from that point forward. When I got the routine uh
snake call.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm gonna tell you right now, the red flag is
when I had when my animal has to be fed
leve live animals, it's not it's not a pet.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, And I've got a feed of something that's still.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Alive and kill that that's a predator, like you said,
that is not that's not like, Oh, he's so cuddly,
let's cut let's cuddle it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Come to find out that the snake's name is monkey,
Monty Python. He can't make this stuff up. Guy, No,
oh my gosh. And not only is this a some
huge python, but it's in their house. They sleep sleep
(10:42):
in the same house, and the snake can get out
through a window. What I mean, what's gonna stop it
from getting them? Yeah, imagine the stench in that house.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Oh, I ain't worried about the stint. I'm worried about
getting out and getting me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, I'm worried about getting eaten. Yeah. We've lost four
dogs this year. We don't know whether the exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Here here's crappy damn money got him again.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, it's like go around with little miles in your hand. No, yeah, no,
I'm not good with that. But Ricky, I understand that
you've also answered there.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, we we get quite a few calls out there
because you know, with the construction of everything, it's pushed
all the animals and reptiles up out of their normal habitat.
And uh, we got to call one night at an
apartment complex and this lady found a snake. You know,
she would tell us that she just saw it. So
we're like, okay, we get there. Well, for whatever reason,
(11:44):
everybody chose me to be the snake person, because I mean,
I'm I'm I'm pretty well identified poisonous one, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I thought it was because you were expendable, you
know that. Ain't nobody rang your bell? All right? You
told your snake story.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Like he does have a large jaw, and mine's not
named MANI okay, it's the holy Grail. Anyway, we get
there and my sergeant got there before me and he
fat with. They asked where the snake was, and it
was in a planner. It was going up there some birds.
I made a nest and it was just a rat snake.
(12:23):
So it's about four or five foot long, and it
was crawling up the chain to get to the to the.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
To the birds.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
So my sergeant went in there and he had his
ass baton out and he was fixing to try to
kill it with that and he said, no, I'm gonna
shoot it. And I said, whoa, whoa, time out out,
time out.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Where are you at again? Yeah, I'm like, you can't
shoot us. You're in an apartment. Now.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
If we're out in the country, okay, we might be
able to justify it, but here, no, you know, so
put your gun up. So I took my baton and
I used that to help get it out. I like
like pulled the tail and then used that for the
head of it, and uh, it just wrapped around my arm.
And I went up to him, liked, here, look at it.
And I thought he was gonna unask that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You the snake guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So I took it out and released it out by
some woods that were right there. So that's one of them.
And then I had another one where these people kept
hearing a ticking noise and I went in there and
I was looking and uh, they said it's coming from
in their closet, from where their water heaters at. So
I go in there and I start looking around and
I might hid the height with the water heater, and
(13:25):
I kept hearing the ticking.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's like.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I'm thinking what kind of snake sounds like that, you know,
and I'm thinking rattlesnake maybe, or you know, just cud
of Well, finally I look up to my left and
I'm eye to eye with another rat snake. And that's
one of their defense things. They did make that ticking noise. Yeah,
it is kind of a way to let other animals know,
you know, that you're messing with something you might not know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So anyway, that's only humans know not to mess with you. Yeah,
I don't recommend messing with any snakes. You have the choice.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Don't mess with any you know, and that's why I
did you that preclaimed But don't you know, if you
don't know what the snake, don't mess with it exactly.
But anyway, I grabbed it, took it outside, and released
it over by the softball fields. And that's pretty much it,
you know, other than the actually, you know, we get
several more.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But then okay, yeah, and yes, that makes Ricky the
snake guy. Yeah, pick up a snake, just a rat snake.
The rest of us are like, no, I'm gonna go
to slide lock on it. Yeah, if it has a
mouth with things, it's a snake. I don't mess with it.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, Fanks, Yeah, thanks it again. It moves, it
doesn't have legs. I've said that several times. That's not normal.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's that's that's just not right. I'm sitting there looking
through the stories you guys, brother, Well I did.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I did come up with remembered one snake story if
you if you got time. We had one guy on
the shift who was a snake guy too, and he
would collect him and put him in a Duffel bag
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Know what he did, took him home and worship them.
I don't know what he did.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
He had one Uh he was on night shift and
he had caught a snake. Didn't tell anybody, and you know,
typically didn't. But unbeknownst to us, the snake had gotten
out in the trunk of the car. And when he
got up at the end of his shift, he emptied
his stuff out, was gonna get the snake out, couldn't
find it, and uh so he didn't even he didn't
(15:22):
even say that anybody else. Well, the day shift offster
came on and an older guy, an ex Allen p
D guy, and he was riding around and then all
of a sudden on the radio. Everybody on shift just
hears the varmit bit me and he's like, uh, so
(15:43):
you know, open my and uh uh and come and
find out this. This old cop had was riding around
in that car, reached over into the passenger floorboard to
get a thermos I think it was, and the snake
that had gotten out of the duffel bag was in
the floorboard and beat him on the hand.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It was some kind of grass snake or something. Uh.
But it didn't hurt him, but almost made him wreck
the car.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
But the knight shift offer ended up getting disciplined, uh
for collecting snake A joke.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What do you do on here? You got your right up.
You know that your corrective plan. I promise not to
leave any snakes in the car anymore. I would make
him do it a hundred times on the truck board,
exactly right. You got to ride one hundred times. I
wouldn't take a vehicle after him from now on. Now
you talk about checking in your car before service. You're
looking for dents and dans and stuff like this, but
(16:38):
not animals. I'm not checking underneath all the seats in
the vehicle to see if there's a reptile in there. Yeah,
you would after that, absolutely, Yeah, I'd be asked to
be moved to motors after that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
No, you guys brought you brought several stories today and
it looks like, uh, Jimmy, you've got some canine stories. Yeah,
some police canine stories. So well, we we had this one,
uh where uh, these two brothers we always had to
(17:18):
deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
They were just you knuckleheads.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Well they're just notoriously drunk and uh we'd go over
to their house. They would get in fights and and
do all kinds of things and uh but they were
Ronald and Donald.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Uh yeah, but we get there.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
They had gotten into one I don't remember which one
it was, Ronald or Donald, but one of them had
h hit the other one hit the mom, and they
had the one brother and the mom was outside. The
other one was hiding inside the house somewhere, and she goes,
he's in the house somewhere, and I think he has
a gun. So right, well, so we called our canine
(18:02):
and so canine goes in, finds the guy. He was
hiding underneath the bed in a back bedroom. So me
and the other officer go in and we flipped the
mattress over and we're trying to get him out of there,
and we're having a fight with him with a canine officer,
and the canine was still in the room where the
officer had pulled the canine back into a closet, and
(18:24):
the dog was barking. The dog was barking, and we
were wrestling with this guy. Well, as we were wrestling,
the other officer was kind of backing up toward the
canine and the canine was inching forward.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And then all of a sudden, we were sitting there
wrestling with this guy trying to get a handcuffs on him.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And this other guy, who was very religious, all of
a sudden just starts yelling. He's like, oh, hell fire, damn,
get his ass off me. And I'm looking at the
guy we're fighting, and I was like, it's not him,
and I was like, I don't know what's your problem.
And I turned to look just in time to see
that the dog had bid him right in the last
(19:05):
left ass cheap.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And his own dog. Well, it was not the case handlers,
it was just another patrols.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
But he ended up having to get six stitches in
his ass from the canine and then we took Ronald
Donald to jail. Uh so that was a that was
a very interesting night.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's a good report of first injury. Yeah. Yeah, he
got a couple of days off for that. I bet
he got lots of ice cream after that. Yeah, really
to get the shorts.
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
And we're back back to more offbeat the light side
of law enforcement. I'm your host Steve Rutherford, co host
for today's show.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Detective Curtis had earlier guys, and it's a good thing
you're still here.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. Yeah, we'd miss you if you're gone, Curtis, I'd
miss you Tuesday. Oh, I'm so sweet. We are joined
with two guests. You threw me off there. We're joined
with two guests in studio today. We've got retired officer
Jimmy mac and retired officer Ricky Hell. Yeah, Ricky hung
(24:06):
around too.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Ricky.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Bobby may be like I shaid, can't be two number ones. Oh,
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(24:31):
in the first segment, we talked about all sorts of
little reptile calls and everyone's an affection of snakes, affection
four snakes. Let's switch gears a little bit and let's
talk about OC spray pepper spray if if you will,
And I understand you, guys brought some stories in regards
(24:52):
to pepper spray because we all love this stuff so much,
because you know, if someone deploys it, we're all going
to get it run.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You said that I thought they brought pepper spray with him.
I was like, that's I did not sign up for
this tea.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No. No, we patted them down before they came in
the STUDI no pepper spray. No one likes pepper spray.
That stuff. That stuff's so messy. Now, Jimmy, I understand you.
You had quite an experience with pepper spray. Yeah, I'm
definitely certified, so I have been sprayed multiple times. Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know one time I sprayed myself. We had this
that's why they had the safety button on it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, you know I carried this dave.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I carried punch too, uh and carried it upside down
in the front and uh, it had it was a
soft case, so the bottom of it was soft and
it was which I never thought was a problem until
this one particular night we had this guy was going around, uh,
breaking into vehicles and we got a call on him.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So I get in the area park about a block
or two away, black out, and I'm walking through there
and I'm covering my badge, trying to be as covert
as possible, and I could. I could see him through
the street light, and I saw him go in between
two houses and he never came out the other side.
So I'm like, man, there he is. So I go
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over there and it was a car port and there
was a FOURD pickup part in his car port and
so I knew he had come in one side and
not going out the other, so he had to be there.
So I squat down to see if he was underneath
the truck. And I squat down and I could see
him prone out in front of the truck.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I also hear a I stand up real quick.
I'm like, but that was that?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And I look around, I don't see anything, don't hear anything.
So I squat back down and I hear it again.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I can't I stand back. I stand back up. I'm like,
what the hell is that?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And then then it hit me and I'm like, oh
my god. And the guy was there, so I couldn't
stop doing my deal, so right, so we run. I
run over there, grabbed him, pulled him out from underneath
the truck, and the whole time my eyes were burning.
But by this time it had soaked through my polyester
(27:15):
pants and cotton underwear, and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It lit me up. And so you spread yourself in
the balls, I spray regions. Man, it was a I
mean quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I guess I spread myself twice because the first time
I didn't realize what it was. Second time figured it out, and.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, a double ball.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And then uh so, uh it took me. It took
me a week or so to recover from from that,
but it was a lesson. You know, I got a
new Safari land Osse's pouch that was not soft bottomed,
and I quit carrying it upside down. So that that's
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my that's my one of my two.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Suits spray stories. So the first time you squad down,
you hear it go off, you don't know what it is,
so you went back for more. Yeah, I didn't register. Uh,
never had had that happened before. Uh, but it am
sure registered the second time, I bet. Uh. Yeah, I
could see trying to decontaminate there. It's not gonna work
(28:27):
too well. Well, you could.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You could get on the I war station if you do,
if you get the right splash going, if you straddle it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Don't drink out of that water fountain. Uh. Oh, And
you said you have another one. Uh yeah, another one. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
The second one was not a personal spray, so that's
probably a good thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, uh,
you know want shame on you know me? Yeah, you
know whatever however that goes the George Bush. But the
second one was we were doing uh with some warrant
services and we had this fellony warn on this guy
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and we knew he was at this trailer house, or
we believed he'd be at this trailerhouse.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We get there and knock on the door.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Uh, this lady comes to the door extremely intoxicated, like, hey,
we're looking for so and so.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We believe he's here.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
He's like, she's like he's not here, Like careful, come
in and look, and she says no.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I go in look to the house.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Well, in the back bedroom there was this trap door
that you could open up and crawl underneath the trailerhouse.
So I'm like, that bastard and he's underneath the Yeah.
So I go around and had underpinning underpinning of the house,
but there was this one section that was loose. So
I go over there and I look and it was
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a daytime and I didn't have a flashlight on me.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Uh. I opened it up.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I couldn't see anything underneath here, and I get the
bright idea.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm like, I'm just gonna spray, so I stick, I stick.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
My hand under there, and I just empty a can
and close it up. I'm like, now it's just a
waiting game. And uh so I wait and wait and wait.
I don't hear anything, no coughing, no, you know, sneezing,
none of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So I'm like, he went back up through that house.
Uh went back to the trap door.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
So I go back in the house and the lady's
sitting there in the living room and I say, and
she's sitting there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I said, hey, you mind if I check again? And
she goes, now, come on in. I go in. I
get about three steps in the door, and it was like,
oh my.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
God, and uh and uh so I'm like, he ain't here,
and so I leave. I'm like, I don't know how
that lady's still sitting in there, but I guarantee you
that person we're looking for it not in this house.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So so that that was my uh second but she
she's just in there. You can spell it inside the house.
It was horribly You never caught him. Now, well, I
don't know if we ever caught him or not, but
we didn't get that day. We didn't catch him that day.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Maybe he's been spending the last hover many years building
up immunity to sea spray.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He's probably still under their hiding. One more day, one
more day. I still like how he started out this story.
It was a trailer house and the lady was intoxicated,
and middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I assume he's gonna say, mom, stop that all those
things for just normal statements.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
No, they were they were. And a trailer house with
a trap door. Oh you got to have one of those?
Am I the only one did? No trailerhouse had a
trap door. I mean, is this a standard feature? No, No,
it's an ad on it. You get the porch and
the trap door.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so well it's made that made. You call it
trap door. That's actually a fire escape. Okay, guys, let's
just use it as it comes to a combo. It's
a basement.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I just take the elevator in your trailer house. Yeah,
you know you're making me an elevator trailerhouse. That's one
hell of a trailer. Yeah, an elevator in it. Yeah. Wow. Okay, Ricky,
I don't know if I'll be able to top that, but
I'll try. Yeah. I understand you've got some experience peppers
(32:19):
pray as well. Yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
One of the things funny is about this is I
was in instructor fro see, So yes, that's what I
laughed too. We went out one night on a felony
warrant service and I was just I got called out.
So I was just in blue jeans and in my gear,
and I had taken my pepper spray and put it
in my front pocket. Why I put it in my
front pocket, didn't keep it in the older I don't know.
(32:44):
But we get to the house and I said, you
know what, I'm gonna check the underneath the bit because
I asked about they checked it hadn So I've been
down and I mean I get down there really low
and on the airs.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Awesome. I'm like, oh.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And I listened again, and about that time, the ic
of propyle alcohol, you know, kind of open the pores.
And I said, good god, I've sprayed my nuts, and
not only once to do it, like he said, I
did it twice. I lean down again.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is why they're friends. Wait, what are the odds?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yeah, this is why they're friends. Like you know, and
I did. I sprayed myself twice. I said, okay, this
is enough. I took it out at that point and
gave it to somebody else. And I'm outside with my
pants unbuttoned, trying to get air.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Their nut buddies. That's what it is. That's a good
one man. It's like, hey, man, have you ever spread
yourself in the nuts.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Like you did it too?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
If you have not sprayed yourself, oh, I'm not that No.
I don't want to join the club.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
You don't even want to talk to you. You can't
do that, then you're not worthy chili peppers. Here, it's
just a couple of school units. You have never lived
until you spread yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
In the night.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Walking out like John Wayne, I'll figure your yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean you can't get quick enough get out and
then get out of.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Those I'm so fascinated by the fact that, I mean you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Look at the human body. I mean there's a lot
of areas and now you guys have both spread yourselves
straight up in the nutsack.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, like we had talked before, it's a very self
correcting issue. Uh, you generally don't do it twice. No, well,
unless it's right here at that same moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And he's he was an instructor.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know what, something you want to claim real often,
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Okay, I'm gonna pull this side of my personal arsenal. Guys,
don't put it in your front pocket, okay. I mean
I couldn't sit down for a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Which mags around with an ice pack. It begs the question, Ricky,
were you ever a taser instructor? Actually?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No, okay, yeah, that's another reason he was not a
firearms instructor either.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Actually, that's why he walked the limp. Hey, I do
have you been to my class? I did.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I did think of another story if you have time
for that, of course. So this was back in the
early nineties. So we had individual single cells. We had
a dorm, uh jail cell, and then we had three
individual cells, and we had somebody had arrested this guy
(35:27):
and put him into the single cell in the middle
and uh, but he had taken his clothes off and
shoved him in the toilet and was flushing the toilet
trying to flood the cell.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So we shut the water off to the to the.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Cell, and he was throwing stuff and peeing and trying
to pee out into the dorm, you know, and everybody
in the dorm was complaining about him. So we go
into uh to get him out of that uh cell,
to put him into a rubber room, and uh, this
other officer almost said his name, I'm trying to keep uh.
(36:01):
The other officer had uh a big can. It was
called deep punch. I don't know if you've ever heard
of that big black hand. It was like a fire
extinguisher like bears had.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
A recol to it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Lord.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
The uh well, the other officer says, you know, back
up to the back of the cell, or we're gonna
spray you. And the guy reaches into the toilet and
grabs his shirt that he had tried to stop it
up with and wrapped it around his face while the
guy was buck naked, and so the other officer says,
you know, back up, we're gonna spray away, takes that toilet,
(36:35):
takes that red wet shirt, wraps around the head, he goes,
spray me mother, you know, and uh so the other
officer just angles it down a little and yeah, let's
go the deep punch.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well it was, it was, it was a deep punch.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And uh so the guy just starts screaming and then
he runs over and you know those aimless still toilets
in there, and he's right, he runs over it, and
he's starts straddling the toilet and you just cut into
the water. Yeah, just trying his best to uh to
sanitize himself.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, like they say, large amount of copious water.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, well, uh now I must ask the the the officer,
the or the I guess jailer.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Maybe no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well the officer that I'll say the name because I
think he would appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Rick Mansibas was his name, okay, but I hope he
does appreciate it. Well, we'll find out.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And it's it's ironic his name is Rick, because I'm
wondering if he where he aimed when he deployed the
pepper spray?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Ricky, did you certify him? And pepper spray doesn't sound familiar? No, sir, okay,
I don't think so he'll do look alike. No, think
he's good looking.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Isn't he ame for center mass?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
So yeah, lower mass? Now you both. You both also.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Said that you had some stories in regards to your
time as rookies, and I think everybody's got rookie stories.
Oh yeah, and you know, Rooky, what kind of story
do you have from your days as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
When I was in training, my FTL was a stickler
for like you know, spit shine boots, the leather gear
had to shine this fresh uniform. Well, we went out
one night and out there in the colony before they
made South Colony all the way through, there was a
graveyard out there and everybody used to go out there
and go partying. Well, they had a we had a
(38:42):
report of a party out there one night, and we
go driving out there and we started sinking, and I
told my FTO, I said, look, whatever you do, don't
stop this floor and we'll get out there.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So he does.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
We get out there, and then he stops, and we sink,
and of course everybody else hauls ass and they're gone.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Us out there in the middle of this field with the.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Red lights on and we're looking like we're looking for
aliens or something, you know. So I get out and
I have to push. He tells me, guess what you're pushing.
I'm like, okay, I thought that's what a record's for.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
But you know my job.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I get out there behind the car and I
start pushing and I told him again, once you get
a bite, I said, don't stop. And I mean, I'm
covered and hit the toe of mud and he's just laughing.
I mean, so finally, because it's one of the old
Crown vicks, and finally it starts grabbing, it starts going,
and he's gonna leave me out there in the middle
of this field to walk back and I'm like, no,
(39:35):
that ain't happening. So I jump on the trunk and
literally dig my hand into the little crack right there
where the trunk comes down, and he pulls me out.
We're about a half a mile out there, and we
get back and uh, he pulls up there, you know,
and I get out and I'm looking like, you know,
I hope you don't expect me to come in to marrow,
you know, like spit shine and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
He goes, yeah, I do. And I'm like, great, So
you know he did that your I hope that made
your rookie book. It did doing this as a negative. Yeah,
we're gonna have to give you one on appearance today. Yeah. Really, hey,
but problem problem solving, I mean you solved his problem.
Yeah I did. I did.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So I got a I think a four was the
rating in that one high rating, three hundred pounds on
the trunck. I'm sure that helped with the track.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Wow. Yeah, man, I was. I was like a slim one.
You just hit him the ball. Yeah, I'm not above it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Actually would yeah, yeah, you would be above it.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now. I hope you're not blow it.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, this is that type
of show. I have to draw the line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah my waistline, Well, you ain't kidding normally, that's.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You, Ricky. Going back to your rookie days. What is
the strangest call you answered, Risky.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
The strangest call I had one time was when I
was doing DWI enforcement and I had a nod boy
that he owned actually he owned a business there. And
it was on a Sunday morning. So I was making
my rounds taking the city limits and I saw this
vehicle and I'm thinking, oh, no, no, no, no, no no.
And I thought it was like close enough to the
(41:26):
you know, And I know if you show me an officers,
I've never done this, I'll tell you that somebody's lying.
Where's Yeah, you know, I said, Oh, they're close enough
to that city limits. So I'm it's going to turn around.
So no, sooner than I go to turn around, he
turns on the same road that I'm fixing to turn
around on. I'm like, man, I got to stop him now.
So I stop him, make my contact. He gets out
(41:47):
of the car and he goes you know who I am.
I'm like, no, you know, cause I hate that because
we living in when we were at Frisco, you know,
always get you know some of the cowboys and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know who I am.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I'm like, no press hard five copies, you know, because
he used to old school. And uh, anyway, so he
gets out and we're in between our cars and we
move over to the curb wise and he gets out
this briefcase. So of course, you know, I'm like my
head on a swivel, I've got my hand on my pistol.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'm waking.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
This guy's gonna do something stupid. Well that's where he
had his license and everything like that, so it was
nothing that came out that wasn't supposed to be. And uh,
he's sitting there talking to me and he says, you know,
this is who I am, this is where I work.
You know, you can come down there. We'll give you
free food. And I'm like, well, no, thank you, that's okay.
I really appreciate it. And when I'm talking to him,
(42:35):
he's probably about five four every bit of three hundred
and fifty pounds. As I'm talking to him, and and
you know, again we're kind of looking eyed eye, you know,
and I'm kind of up and down a little bit,
and all of a sudden, his pants drop.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
They completely fell off.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
He was in shorts and for whatever reason, I don't know,
if he just had him too low at the time
when he got out of the car, or maybe he
was doing something in the car. I don't know, but
immediately I'm like, okay, look, dude, pull your pants back
up and we need to continue this. So he does,
and I finally said, look, is there anybody come get
you because you can't make this stuff up? And uh
(43:14):
he did. He called a steward I mean stewardess, a
waitress to come get him, and she came and picked
him up and took him home.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I I admire your integrity, my friend, because that was
pre camera and when somebody offers food like fo yeah wow.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I'm just thinking maybe the guy, maybe the guy knew
who you were that stopped him. Oh no, and he
probably maybe he was just looking to get preparing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
So he's like, this is the pepper spray guy screaming.
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Speaker 4 (46:11):
Let's just keep going. We'll figure it out, all right, Curtis,
I'm gonna be concerned about you today. Did you take
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I'm not even gonna ask why you're thanking that right.
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(48:19):
dogs tend to that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
They tend to like you. Yeah, quite a bit. Let
the dogs out, Ricky. Any any stories for tending to
a dog show? Yes, sir, affectionate, very effective, slow, no harder,
(48:43):
shows your deeper.
Speaker 5 (48:48):
I was in ft O training again and we had
this lady that called in at least once or twice
a week complaining about noise, suspicious people.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Just cracks in her house. He was a Karen, is
that somebody y'all had? Oh? Everybody else? Oh wow? Oh sorry,
I'm going to hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Anyway, So we get a call there, We get there
and I'm lead again. So he's watching what I'm doing,
and uh, I get up there and make contact and
we're standing at the doorway and she's in a nightgown.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Now granted, this lady's got to be in her nineties.
Speaker 9 (49:22):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
The only way I know how to describe it for
you people that ever there see like Playboy the granny.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
In the back of it. I read the articles.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Okay, that's what That's what I did. I just basically
for the jokes. I have good jokes to go to.
But anyway, she was she was kind of sickly, and
as I'm sitting there, I kept feeling something on my
right leg and I'm like, what the hell? And I'm
looking down. I'm trying not to lose eye contact with
her because I know my FTO will gig me on it.
(49:51):
And I look down and I see this pomeranium, so
I kind of like kick it to the side, and
you know, of course, she's looking at me, like, what
are you kicking my dog? And I'm like, no, ma'am, no, ma'am,
you know, and the dog comes right back over to
my leg and starts humping, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Like, what are you doing? And the lady goes, can't
you see I'm sick.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
And about this time she raises her nightgown up completely,
and let's just say that what was supposed to be
up top was down past her waist.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Gravity was not nice, no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
And finally that dog, I think, had finished what it
was doing and I had to go back and take
care of that too. So that was really a fun evening.
So that's where the joke was about loving Pomeranians.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Okay, Ricky, you're a rookie, you're on a call, yes sir,
and you're being flashed by a ninety year old woman
as her Pomeranian dog humps you on the leg and
she has a sex addicted dog. I mean, this is
the stuff you can't make up. I mean it's nice
you let the dog finish. I meant it's only natural. Yeah,
(50:56):
I got my eye full.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
So even though even though you were in it, you
knew at that point that you had made the correct
career decision.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yes, I'm gonna be this is where I needed. This
is a straight a cop right here. Love and Palmeranians
sound like a song. Hey, yeah, I have no, I've
got nothing.
Speaker 9 (51:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I wouldn't say it's a hair raising experience, but it's Palmeranian.
So it was a very hairy. Well at least you're
talking about the dog and not yeah the dog.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah yeah, I Ricky, I think you brought us our.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
That she felt comfortable enough to show you what was
under her.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Oh man, it was nothing for her. She and the
officer that went there got flashed. Yeah, no, I was
just I.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Thought maybe she need to the ild. Spread. No, no, no,
spread and nuts. She's let me pull you off. Great shift, guys,
that's what we have for today. We've got the ninety
year old flasher with the dog.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
The pup and the sex addicted dog, sex addicted dog
with a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Speaking of happy endings, that's it for today, Jimmy and Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
It's been a pleasure for having you and thanks for
coming in the studio today.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Thank you for having me. Guys.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Until next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay safe,
and watch each other.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Six
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, The Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse podcast Network. On today's show, we're
going to talk about reptiles, rookie experiences, who knows what else.
I'm your host Steve Rutherford, co host for today's show,
Detective Curtis Hadley. Great to be here, guys, Thank you,
(00:46):
and we're joining with two guests in studio. We've got
retired officer Jimmy Womack Hello, and retired officer Ricky Hale. Hello.
How you doing. Welcome gentlemen. Everybody having a good day
to day. So far, so far today. He's too young,
I mean, yes, you have to be determined. We'll see
how this comes.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, at the end of this, Ricky is like at
my age, nothing surprises mate.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
No, not at least we're all honest here. Yeah. Well,
and you know what, curtis here, you're the only one
here that's not retired. Oh yeah, yeah, what's the hold up?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'll just fifty more years, you know something, by paying taxes,
paying the house off, you know, you say, fifty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh, that's what I like. You keep paying. I keep rechieving,
absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It makes the wife happy when I go to work
every day and somehow I check those shows up like
for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So well. I actually I was at a retirement ceremony
yesterday and saw two guys retire. I mean, they're going
on to second careers. But it's cool to see two
guys that have finished out their law enforcement career and
and they're moving forward. It's good to see him retire
with life to left in him. They could do something
like that.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
You don't want.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You don't want the guys that are broken and you know,
just are going to sit out on the front porch
and want the guys that still have some life in them.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And they did their service. Now it's time to go
out and have some fun. So yeah, exactly do something funny,
you start a podcast or something.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Definitely definitely recommend the encore career. Now, Jimmy, you've you're
retired as an officer. How many years did you do
in law enforcement?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Active twenty seven? And you still still reserve or have
your commission? Kerry correct a reserve for didn't county you?
So no? Really? Okay, what all agencies did you work
for during your time? Well?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Uh, I started with the with the Navy, doing security
forces in the Navy UH station in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Thank you for your service, by the waysolutely the and.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Then for evaluation purposes, I started with the New Orleans
Shares Department as a special deputy and got to do
foot patrol for modern grow worked in the Orleans Parish Prison.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I got to do a bunch of stuff associated with that.
So that was my first civilian law enforcement job.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Then I moved to Paris, Texas. Moved back to Paris, Texas,
I should say, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Where I graduated high school.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Uh, and then worked for Paris PD for twenty years
and then took a retirement gig on court career again,
if you will, in lake Worth as the chief of
lake Worth.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
That retirement gig as a chief. Yeah you're the chief
of lake Worth, Yeah, su I was. I was almost
as number two. The whole lake was yours.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, just just just the coast, just the drive arts,
just as the water belonged to the Sheriff's office, Marshall's.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Marshall's have that just the coast, the coast of lake Worth. Yeah,
the coast of Lake Worth? How many how many vacations
have I sent out there? None? None? Now, Now, Ricky,
what about you? How many years in law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
I've got a total of twenty eight with the city
of the Colony. I retired there in twenty sixteen. Before that,
I've got about four years with Little MPD.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, So from Little Elm over to the colony, yes, sir,
then retired from the colony. Yes, sir. Are you enjoying retirement? Oh?
I love it. I love it. Retirement's not a bad gig, No,
not at all. I didn't know you were. Yeah, I
was there for a while. It was truly a little
elm When he was there, it was full.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
It was there's a little twig. Yeah, there was just
two of us, one on day shift, one on night shift.
The true meaning the roll calls. Man, it's been great.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, it wasn't basically that they now.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Back then you just had a time check with with
Didon County. That was it and laws you checked in,
you know, with your time check, you were good to go.
What year was that way past? Let's see, so I
was in we've been back in the early eighties covered
wagons or yeah. Well you still use the little stropham
(05:08):
cup with stream call boxes, smoke screen.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Man, great call box okay, and you guys brought a
lot of stories with you today.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I'm anxious to get into those, but but something is
something I wanted to mention here at first. Karen Karen
actually brought a story to my attention this week and
she shared it with me.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It it was a guy and I don't remember where
this was at, I want to say somewhere here local.
He saw a snake on a out lane in the road,
so he was going to save this reptile. And I
don't know, he went out to pick this snake up
to get it off the road. Normally, I'm you know,
(05:49):
steering towards the snake. Uh that the thing, you know,
snakes moved, they don't have legs. That's not normal. I
mean is in the Bible. I mean come on, yeah, whatever.
So the guy goes in, he picks up the snake
to remove out of the road and said, copperhead bit
the guy. Ooh he had the coming.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, so it just you know, hey, let's let's go
ahead and toss out the public service announcement for the day.
If if you're not familiar with snakes and you don't
know what's venomous and what's not, don't mess with it.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So yeah, I know, and there's no organizations out there
save the snake. I promise you saved this snake. You know,
there's nothing out there is like case, just for thirty
eight cents a day, you could save this snake. No,
because they're nasty and they bite. Okay, that's the reason
why there is none.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Well apparently this guy became fairly ill, obviously, but he
did and spend some time in the hospital for it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So yeah, we're we're to the wise.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Don't and anti venom is not cheap either. On all
the inters they rake you on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, life is hard, you know. Well, and you know,
and continuing on with that, Jimmy, you understand you brought
uh brut a snake story with you today. I do.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do have several snake stories, uh several several, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna try to stick it to one.
So when you get used to getting these sneak calls,
you know, like you know, it's just another snake call.
And so it's one call the middle of the night,
called people saying that there was a large snake. So
(07:27):
I'm like, yeah, right, you.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Know, sure, sure, drive over there.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
You know, when I get when I get close to
the house, I see people on the front porch. So
just parking the street and I get out of the
car and I'm carrying an s L twenty flashlight.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know, so it wasn't a big flashlight, the big yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
The So I'll start to walk through the ditch to
kind of cut across to go over to where they are,
and they're like.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Don't, don't go through there, and I'm like why. He's like, well,
that's where that snake is. I'm like, where is it?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And he pointed over into some tall grass not more
than probably five ten feet from me, and uh I
shine my light over there, and it was I don't know,
fifteen twenty foot long python.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That was as big around as I was. And I'm
like and uh so I just run and jump onto
the porch with them. I didn't even you were the
guy that called. Yeah, well they called. They called, I'm
here to help. Well, we needed to call somebody else.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
A friend of mine at the time owned a a
pet store in town and it was the name of
the store was Swim, Slither and Crawl. Nope, And uh
so I called Tyler and I said I said, hey, man,
we got a giant snake.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And I said, it's literally a giant snake. And uh.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
So he came over in the middle of the night
and he said it was a female what python, and
that it was shedding and when they're shedding there very
aggressive and so he runs over and jumps on his head.
And then after he did this is when he decides
to elicit my help in wrangling the snake. And he's like,
(09:18):
you know, grab the grab the back, and I'll.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Like screw you and see Cromodal hunter.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
So I eventually went over to help him, just to
save his life. And so we pulled it over to
the truck, shoved it into the truck. Long, long story shorter.
Come to find out, it was like two doors down
the neighbor had this.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Pet snake, if you will.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Uh, and it had converted a bedroom in the house
to its living quarters and had a big.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Log in there and they fed at rabbits and.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Uh some something had broken the window and it escaped
through that window. But yeah, that that changed my mindset
from that point forward. When I got the routine uh
snake call.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I'm gonna tell you right now, the red flag is
when I had when my animal has to be fed
leve live animals, it's not it's not a pet.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Okay, And I've got a feed of something that's still.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Alive and kill that that's a predator, like you said,
that is not that's not like, Oh, he's so cuddly,
let's cut let's cuddle it.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Come to find out that the snake's name is monkey,
Monty Python. He can't make this stuff up. Guy, No,
oh my gosh. And not only is this a some
huge python, but it's in their house. They sleep sleep
(10:42):
in the same house, and the snake can get out
through a window. What I mean, what's gonna stop it
from getting them? Yeah, imagine the stench in that house.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Oh, I ain't worried about the stint. I'm worried about
getting out and getting me.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, I'm worried about getting eaten. Yeah. We've lost four
dogs this year. We don't know whether the exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Here here's crappy damn money got him again.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, it's like go around with little miles in your hand. No, yeah, no,
I'm not good with that. But Ricky, I understand that
you've also answered there.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, we we get quite a few calls out there
because you know, with the construction of everything, it's pushed
all the animals and reptiles up out of their normal habitat.
And uh, we got to call one night at an
apartment complex and this lady found a snake. You know,
she would tell us that she just saw it. So
we're like, okay, we get there. Well, for whatever reason,
(11:44):
everybody chose me to be the snake person, because I mean,
I'm I'm I'm pretty well identified poisonous one, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I thought it was because you were expendable, you
know that. Ain't nobody rang your bell? All right? You
told your snake story.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Like he does have a large jaw, and mine's not
named MANI okay, it's the holy Grail. Anyway, we get
there and my sergeant got there before me and he
fat with. They asked where the snake was, and it
was in a planner. It was going up there some birds.
I made a nest and it was just a rat snake.
(12:23):
So it's about four or five foot long, and it
was crawling up the chain to get to the to the.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
To the birds.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
So my sergeant went in there and he had his
ass baton out and he was fixing to try to
kill it with that and he said, no, I'm gonna
shoot it. And I said, whoa, whoa, time out out,
time out.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Where are you at again? Yeah, I'm like, you can't
shoot us. You're in an apartment. Now.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
If we're out in the country, okay, we might be
able to justify it, but here, no, you know, so
put your gun up. So I took my baton and
I used that to help get it out. I like
like pulled the tail and then used that for the
head of it, and uh, it just wrapped around my arm.
And I went up to him, liked, here, look at it.
And I thought he was gonna unask that.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You the snake guy, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So I took it out and released it out by
some woods that were right there. So that's one of them.
And then I had another one where these people kept
hearing a ticking noise and I went in there and
I was looking and uh, they said it's coming from
in their closet, from where their water heaters at. So
I go in there and I start looking around and
I might hid the height with the water heater, and
(13:25):
I kept hearing the ticking.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's like.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
I'm thinking what kind of snake sounds like that, you know,
and I'm thinking rattlesnake maybe, or you know, just cud
of Well, finally I look up to my left and
I'm eye to eye with another rat snake. And that's
one of their defense things. They did make that ticking noise. Yeah,
it is kind of a way to let other animals know,
you know, that you're messing with something you might not know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So anyway, that's only humans know not to mess with you. Yeah,
I don't recommend messing with any snakes. You have the choice.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Don't mess with any you know, and that's why I
did you that preclaimed But don't you know, if you
don't know what the snake, don't mess with it exactly.
But anyway, I grabbed it, took it outside, and released
it over by the softball fields. And that's pretty much it,
you know, other than the actually, you know, we get
several more.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
But then okay, yeah, and yes, that makes Ricky the
snake guy. Yeah, pick up a snake, just a rat snake.
The rest of us are like, no, I'm gonna go
to slide lock on it. Yeah, if it has a
mouth with things, it's a snake. I don't mess with it.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, Fanks, Yeah, thanks it again. It moves, it
doesn't have legs. I've said that several times. That's not normal.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's that's that's just not right. I'm sitting there looking
through the stories you guys, brother, Well I did.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I did come up with remembered one snake story if
you if you got time. We had one guy on
the shift who was a snake guy too, and he
would collect him and put him in a Duffel bag
and I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Know what he did, took him home and worship them.
I don't know what he did.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
He had one Uh he was on night shift and
he had caught a snake. Didn't tell anybody, and you know,
typically didn't. But unbeknownst to us, the snake had gotten
out in the trunk of the car. And when he
got up at the end of his shift, he emptied
his stuff out, was gonna get the snake out, couldn't
find it, and uh so he didn't even he didn't
(15:22):
even say that anybody else. Well, the day shift offster
came on and an older guy, an ex Allen p
D guy, and he was riding around and then all
of a sudden on the radio. Everybody on shift just
hears the varmit bit me and he's like, uh, so
(15:43):
you know, open my and uh uh and come and
find out this. This old cop had was riding around
in that car, reached over into the passenger floorboard to
get a thermos I think it was, and the snake
that had gotten out of the duffel bag was in
the floorboard and beat him on the hand.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
It was some kind of grass snake or something. Uh.
But it didn't hurt him, but almost made him wreck
the car.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
But the knight shift offer ended up getting disciplined, uh
for collecting snake A joke.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What do you do on here? You got your right up.
You know that your corrective plan. I promise not to
leave any snakes in the car anymore. I would make
him do it a hundred times on the truck board,
exactly right. You got to ride one hundred times. I
wouldn't take a vehicle after him from now on. Now
you talk about checking in your car before service. You're
looking for dents and dans and stuff like this, but
(16:38):
not animals. I'm not checking underneath all the seats in
the vehicle to see if there's a reptile in there. Yeah,
you would after that, absolutely, Yeah, I'd be asked to
be moved to motors after that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
No, you guys brought you brought several stories today and
it looks like, uh, Jimmy, you've got some canine stories. Yeah,
some police canine stories. So well, we we had this one,
uh where uh, these two brothers we always had to
(17:18):
deal with.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
They were just you knuckleheads.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Well they're just notoriously drunk and uh we'd go over
to their house. They would get in fights and and
do all kinds of things and uh but they were
Ronald and Donald.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Uh yeah, but we get there.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
They had gotten into one I don't remember which one
it was, Ronald or Donald, but one of them had
h hit the other one hit the mom, and they
had the one brother and the mom was outside. The
other one was hiding inside the house somewhere, and she goes,
he's in the house somewhere, and I think he has
a gun. So right, well, so we called our canine
(18:02):
and so canine goes in, finds the guy. He was
hiding underneath the bed in a back bedroom. So me
and the other officer go in and we flipped the
mattress over and we're trying to get him out of there,
and we're having a fight with him with a canine officer,
and the canine was still in the room where the
officer had pulled the canine back into a closet, and
(18:24):
the dog was barking. The dog was barking, and we
were wrestling with this guy. Well, as we were wrestling,
the other officer was kind of backing up toward the
canine and the canine was inching forward.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
And then all of a sudden, we were sitting there
wrestling with this guy trying to get a handcuffs on him.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And this other guy, who was very religious, all of
a sudden just starts yelling. He's like, oh, hell fire, damn,
get his ass off me. And I'm looking at the
guy we're fighting, and I was like, it's not him,
and I was like, I don't know what's your problem.
And I turned to look just in time to see
that the dog had bid him right in the last
(19:05):
left ass cheap.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
And his own dog. Well, it was not the case handlers,
it was just another patrols.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
But he ended up having to get six stitches in
his ass from the canine and then we took Ronald
Donald to jail. Uh so that was a that was
a very interesting night.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's a good report of first injury. Yeah. Yeah, he
got a couple of days off for that. I bet
he got lots of ice cream after that. Yeah, really
to get the shorts.
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And we're back back to more offbeat the light side
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for today's show.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Detective Curtis had earlier guys, and it's a good thing
you're still here.
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Yeah. Yeah, we'd miss you if you're gone, Curtis, I'd
miss you Tuesday. Oh, I'm so sweet. We are joined
with two guests. You threw me off there. We're joined
with two guests in studio today. We've got retired officer
Jimmy mac and retired officer Ricky Hell. Yeah, Ricky hung
(24:06):
around too.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Ricky.
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in the first segment, we talked about all sorts of
little reptile calls and everyone's an affection of snakes, affection
four snakes. Let's switch gears a little bit and let's
talk about OC spray pepper spray if if you will,
And I understand you, guys brought some stories in regards
(24:52):
to pepper spray because we all love this stuff so much,
because you know, if someone deploys it, we're all going
to get it run.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You said that I thought they brought pepper spray with him.
I was like, that's I did not sign up for
this tea.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No. No, we patted them down before they came in
the STUDI no pepper spray. No one likes pepper spray.
That stuff. That stuff's so messy. Now, Jimmy, I understand you.
You had quite an experience with pepper spray. Yeah, I'm
definitely certified, so I have been sprayed multiple times. Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know one time I sprayed myself. We had this
that's why they had the safety button on it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, you know I carried this dave.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I carried punch too, uh and carried it upside down
in the front and uh, it had it was a
soft case, so the bottom of it was soft and
it was which I never thought was a problem until
this one particular night we had this guy was going around, uh,
breaking into vehicles and we got a call on him.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So I get in the area park about a block
or two away, black out, and I'm walking through there
and I'm covering my badge, trying to be as covert
as possible, and I could. I could see him through
the street light, and I saw him go in between
two houses and he never came out the other side.
So I'm like, man, there he is. So I go
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over there and it was a car port and there
was a FOURD pickup part in his car port and
so I knew he had come in one side and
not going out the other, so he had to be there.
So I squat down to see if he was underneath
the truck. And I squat down and I could see
him prone out in front of the truck.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But I also hear a I stand up real quick.
I'm like, but that was that?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And I look around, I don't see anything, don't hear anything.
So I squat back down and I hear it again.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I can't I stand back. I stand back up. I'm like,
what the hell is that?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And then then it hit me and I'm like, oh
my god. And the guy was there, so I couldn't
stop doing my deal, so right, so we run. I
run over there, grabbed him, pulled him out from underneath
the truck, and the whole time my eyes were burning.
But by this time it had soaked through my polyester
(27:15):
pants and cotton underwear, and uh.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
It lit me up. And so you spread yourself in
the balls, I spray regions. Man, it was a I
mean quite a bit.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I guess I spread myself twice because the first time
I didn't realize what it was. Second time figured it out, and.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, a double ball.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And then uh so, uh it took me. It took
me a week or so to recover from from that,
but it was a lesson. You know, I got a
new Safari land Osse's pouch that was not soft bottomed,
and I quit carrying it upside down. So that that's
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my that's my one of my two.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Suits spray stories. So the first time you squad down,
you hear it go off, you don't know what it is,
so you went back for more. Yeah, I didn't register. Uh,
never had had that happened before. Uh, but it am
sure registered the second time, I bet. Uh. Yeah, I
could see trying to decontaminate there. It's not gonna work
(28:27):
too well. Well, you could.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You could get on the I war station if you do,
if you get the right splash going, if you straddle it.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Don't drink out of that water fountain. Uh. Oh, And
you said you have another one. Uh yeah, another one. Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
The second one was not a personal spray, so that's
probably a good thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, uh,
you know want shame on you know me? Yeah, you
know whatever however that goes the George Bush. But the
second one was we were doing uh with some warrant
services and we had this fellony warn on this guy
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and we knew he was at this trailer house, or
we believed he'd be at this trailerhouse.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
We get there and knock on the door.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Uh, this lady comes to the door extremely intoxicated, like, hey,
we're looking for so and so.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
We believe he's here.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
He's like, she's like he's not here, Like careful, come
in and look, and she says no.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So I go in look to the house.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Well, in the back bedroom there was this trap door
that you could open up and crawl underneath the trailerhouse.
So I'm like, that bastard and he's underneath the Yeah.
So I go around and had underpinning underpinning of the house,
but there was this one section that was loose. So
I go over there and I look and it was
(29:49):
a daytime and I didn't have a flashlight on me.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Uh. I opened it up.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
I couldn't see anything underneath here, and I get the
bright idea.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm like, I'm just gonna spray, so I stick, I stick.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
My hand under there, and I just empty a can
and close it up. I'm like, now it's just a
waiting game. And uh so I wait and wait and wait.
I don't hear anything, no coughing, no, you know, sneezing,
none of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So I'm like, he went back up through that house.
Uh went back to the trap door.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
So I go back in the house and the lady's
sitting there in the living room and I say, and
she's sitting there.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I said, hey, you mind if I check again? And
she goes, now, come on in. I go in. I
get about three steps in the door, and it was like,
oh my.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
God, and uh and uh so I'm like, he ain't here,
and so I leave. I'm like, I don't know how
that lady's still sitting in there, but I guarantee you
that person we're looking for it not in this house.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So so that that was my uh second but she
she's just in there. You can spell it inside the house.
It was horribly You never caught him. Now, well, I
don't know if we ever caught him or not, but
we didn't get that day. We didn't catch him that day.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Maybe he's been spending the last hover many years building
up immunity to sea spray.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
He's probably still under their hiding. One more day, one
more day. I still like how he started out this story.
It was a trailer house and the lady was intoxicated,
and middle of the day.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I assume he's gonna say, mom, stop that all those
things for just normal statements.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
No, they were they were. And a trailer house with
a trap door. Oh you got to have one of those?
Am I the only one did? No trailerhouse had a
trap door. I mean, is this a standard feature? No, No,
it's an ad on it. You get the porch and
the trap door.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, so well it's made that made. You call it
trap door. That's actually a fire escape. Okay, guys, let's
just use it as it comes to a combo. It's
a basement.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I just take the elevator in your trailer house. Yeah,
you know you're making me an elevator trailerhouse. That's one
hell of a trailer. Yeah, an elevator in it. Yeah. Wow. Okay, Ricky,
I don't know if I'll be able to top that, but
I'll try. Yeah. I understand you've got some experience peppers
(32:19):
pray as well. Yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
One of the things funny is about this is I
was in instructor fro see, So yes, that's what I
laughed too. We went out one night on a felony
warrant service and I was just I got called out.
So I was just in blue jeans and in my gear,
and I had taken my pepper spray and put it
in my front pocket. Why I put it in my
front pocket, didn't keep it in the older I don't know.
(32:44):
But we get to the house and I said, you
know what, I'm gonna check the underneath the bit because
I asked about they checked it hadn So I've been
down and I mean I get down there really low
and on the airs.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Awesome. I'm like, oh.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
And I listened again, and about that time, the ic
of propyle alcohol, you know, kind of open the pores.
And I said, good god, I've sprayed my nuts, and
not only once to do it, like he said, I
did it twice. I lean down again.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is why they're friends. Wait, what are the odds?
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Yeah, this is why they're friends. Like you know, and
I did. I sprayed myself twice. I said, okay, this
is enough. I took it out at that point and
gave it to somebody else. And I'm outside with my
pants unbuttoned, trying to get air.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Their nut buddies. That's what it is. That's a good
one man. It's like, hey, man, have you ever spread
yourself in the nuts.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Like you did it too?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
If you have not sprayed yourself, oh, I'm not that No.
I don't want to join the club.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
You don't even want to talk to you. You can't
do that, then you're not worthy chili peppers. Here, it's
just a couple of school units. You have never lived
until you spread yourself.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
In the night.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Walking out like John Wayne, I'll figure your yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I mean you can't get quick enough get out and
then get out of.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Those I'm so fascinated by the fact that, I mean you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Look at the human body. I mean there's a lot
of areas and now you guys have both spread yourselves
straight up in the nutsack.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well, like we had talked before, it's a very self
correcting issue. Uh, you generally don't do it twice. No, well,
unless it's right here at that same moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And he's he was an instructor.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You know what, something you want to claim real often,
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Okay, I'm gonna pull this side of my personal arsenal. Guys,
don't put it in your front pocket, okay. I mean
I couldn't sit down for a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Which mags around with an ice pack. It begs the question, Ricky,
were you ever a taser instructor? Actually?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
No, okay, yeah, that's another reason he was not a
firearms instructor either.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Actually, that's why he walked the limp. Hey, I do
have you been to my class? I did.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I did think of another story if you have time
for that, of course. So this was back in the
early nineties. So we had individual single cells. We had
a dorm, uh jail cell, and then we had three
individual cells, and we had somebody had arrested this guy
(35:27):
and put him into the single cell in the middle
and uh, but he had taken his clothes off and
shoved him in the toilet and was flushing the toilet
trying to flood the cell.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So we shut the water off to the to the.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Cell, and he was throwing stuff and peeing and trying
to pee out into the dorm, you know, and everybody
in the dorm was complaining about him. So we go
into uh to get him out of that uh cell,
to put him into a rubber room, and uh, this
other officer almost said his name, I'm trying to keep uh.
(36:01):
The other officer had uh a big can. It was
called deep punch. I don't know if you've ever heard
of that big black hand. It was like a fire
extinguisher like bears had.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
A recol to it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Lord.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
The uh well, the other officer says, you know, back
up to the back of the cell, or we're gonna
spray you. And the guy reaches into the toilet and
grabs his shirt that he had tried to stop it
up with and wrapped it around his face while the
guy was buck naked, and so the other officer says,
you know, back up, we're gonna spray away, takes that toilet,
(36:35):
takes that red wet shirt, wraps around the head, he goes,
spray me mother, you know, and uh so the other
officer just angles it down a little and yeah, let's
go the deep punch.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well it was, it was, it was a deep punch.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And uh so the guy just starts screaming and then
he runs over and you know those aimless still toilets
in there, and he's right, he runs over it, and
he's starts straddling the toilet and you just cut into
the water. Yeah, just trying his best to uh to
sanitize himself.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, like they say, large amount of copious water.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, well, uh now I must ask the the the officer,
the or the I guess jailer.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Maybe no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well the officer that I'll say the name because I
think he would appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Rick Mansibas was his name, okay, but I hope he
does appreciate it. Well, we'll find out.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
And it's it's ironic his name is Rick, because I'm
wondering if he where he aimed when he deployed the
pepper spray?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Ricky, did you certify him? And pepper spray doesn't sound familiar? No, sir, okay,
I don't think so he'll do look alike. No, think
he's good looking.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Isn't he ame for center mass?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
So yeah, lower mass? Now you both. You both also.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Said that you had some stories in regards to your
time as rookies, and I think everybody's got rookie stories.
Oh yeah, and you know, Rooky, what kind of story
do you have from your days as a rookie.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
When I was in training, my FTL was a stickler
for like you know, spit shine boots, the leather gear
had to shine this fresh uniform. Well, we went out
one night and out there in the colony before they
made South Colony all the way through, there was a
graveyard out there and everybody used to go out there
and go partying. Well, they had a we had a
(38:42):
report of a party out there one night, and we
go driving out there and we started sinking, and I
told my FTO, I said, look, whatever you do, don't
stop this floor and we'll get out there.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So he does.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
We get out there, and then he stops, and we sink,
and of course everybody else hauls ass and they're gone.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Us out there in the middle of this field with the.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Red lights on and we're looking like we're looking for
aliens or something, you know. So I get out and
I have to push. He tells me, guess what you're pushing.
I'm like, okay, I thought that's what a record's for.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
But you know my job.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
So I get out there behind the car and I
start pushing and I told him again, once you get
a bite, I said, don't stop. And I mean, I'm
covered and hit the toe of mud and he's just laughing.
I mean, so finally, because it's one of the old
Crown vicks, and finally it starts grabbing, it starts going,
and he's gonna leave me out there in the middle
of this field to walk back and I'm like, no,
(39:35):
that ain't happening. So I jump on the trunk and
literally dig my hand into the little crack right there
where the trunk comes down, and he pulls me out.
We're about a half a mile out there, and we
get back and uh, he pulls up there, you know,
and I get out and I'm looking like, you know,
I hope you don't expect me to come in to marrow,
you know, like spit shine and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
He goes, yeah, I do. And I'm like, great, So
you know he did that your I hope that made
your rookie book. It did doing this as a negative. Yeah,
we're gonna have to give you one on appearance today. Yeah. Really, hey,
but problem problem solving, I mean you solved his problem.
Yeah I did. I did.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So I got a I think a four was the
rating in that one high rating, three hundred pounds on
the trunck. I'm sure that helped with the track.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Wow. Yeah, man, I was. I was like a slim one.
You just hit him the ball. Yeah, I'm not above it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Actually would yeah, yeah, you would be above it.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now. I hope you're not blow it.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no, this is that type
of show. I have to draw the line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah my waistline, Well, you ain't kidding normally, that's.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You, Ricky. Going back to your rookie days. What is
the strangest call you answered, Risky.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
The strangest call I had one time was when I
was doing DWI enforcement and I had a nod boy
that he owned actually he owned a business there. And
it was on a Sunday morning. So I was making
my rounds taking the city limits and I saw this
vehicle and I'm thinking, oh, no, no, no, no, no no.
And I thought it was like close enough to the
(41:26):
you know, And I know if you show me an officers,
I've never done this, I'll tell you that somebody's lying.
Where's Yeah, you know, I said, Oh, they're close enough
to that city limits. So I'm it's going to turn around.
So no, sooner than I go to turn around, he
turns on the same road that I'm fixing to turn
around on. I'm like, man, I got to stop him now.
So I stop him, make my contact. He gets out
(41:47):
of the car and he goes you know who I am.
I'm like, no, you know, cause I hate that because
we living in when we were at Frisco, you know,
always get you know some of the cowboys and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
You know who I am.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
I'm like, no press hard five copies, you know, because
he used to old school. And uh, anyway, so he
gets out and we're in between our cars and we
move over to the curb wise and he gets out
this briefcase. So of course, you know, I'm like my
head on a swivel, I've got my hand on my pistol.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'm waking.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
This guy's gonna do something stupid. Well that's where he
had his license and everything like that, so it was
nothing that came out that wasn't supposed to be. And uh,
he's sitting there talking to me and he says, you know,
this is who I am, this is where I work.
You know, you can come down there. We'll give you
free food. And I'm like, well, no, thank you, that's okay.
I really appreciate it. And when I'm talking to him,
(42:35):
he's probably about five four every bit of three hundred
and fifty pounds. As I'm talking to him, and and
you know, again we're kind of looking eyed eye, you know,
and I'm kind of up and down a little bit,
and all of a sudden, his pants drop.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
They completely fell off.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
He was in shorts and for whatever reason, I don't know,
if he just had him too low at the time
when he got out of the car, or maybe he
was doing something in the car. I don't know, but
immediately I'm like, okay, look, dude, pull your pants back
up and we need to continue this. So he does,
and I finally said, look, is there anybody come get
you because you can't make this stuff up? And uh
(43:14):
he did. He called a steward I mean stewardess, a
waitress to come get him, and she came and picked
him up and took him home.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I I admire your integrity, my friend, because that was
pre camera and when somebody offers food like fo yeah wow.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I'm just thinking maybe the guy, maybe the guy knew
who you were that stopped him. Oh no, and he
probably maybe he was just looking to get preparing.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
So he's like, this is the pepper spray guy screaming.
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Speaker 4 (46:11):
Let's just keep going. We'll figure it out, all right, Curtis,
I'm gonna be concerned about you today. Did you take
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I'm not even gonna ask why you're thanking that right.
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(48:19):
dogs tend to that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
They tend to like you. Yeah, quite a bit. Let
the dogs out, Ricky. Any any stories for tending to
a dog show? Yes, sir, affectionate, very effective, slow, no harder,
(48:43):
shows your deeper.
Speaker 5 (48:48):
I was in ft O training again and we had
this lady that called in at least once or twice
a week complaining about noise, suspicious people.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Just cracks in her house. He was a Karen, is
that somebody y'all had? Oh? Everybody else? Oh wow? Oh sorry,
I'm going to hear it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Anyway, So we get a call there, We get there
and I'm lead again. So he's watching what I'm doing,
and uh, I get up there and make contact and
we're standing at the doorway and she's in a nightgown.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Now granted, this lady's got to be in her nineties.
Speaker 9 (49:22):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
The only way I know how to describe it for
you people that ever there see like Playboy the granny.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
In the back of it. I read the articles.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Okay, that's what That's what I did. I just basically
for the jokes. I have good jokes to go to.
But anyway, she was she was kind of sickly, and
as I'm sitting there, I kept feeling something on my
right leg and I'm like, what the hell? And I'm
looking down. I'm trying not to lose eye contact with
her because I know my FTO will gig me on it.
(49:51):
And I look down and I see this pomeranium, so
I kind of like kick it to the side, and
you know, of course, she's looking at me, like, what
are you kicking my dog? And I'm like, no, ma'am, no, ma'am,
you know, and the dog comes right back over to
my leg and starts humping, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Like, what are you doing? And the lady goes, can't
you see I'm sick.
Speaker 5 (50:09):
And about this time she raises her nightgown up completely,
and let's just say that what was supposed to be
up top was down past her waist.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Gravity was not nice, no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
And finally that dog, I think, had finished what it
was doing and I had to go back and take
care of that too. So that was really a fun evening.
So that's where the joke was about loving Pomeranians.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Okay, Ricky, you're a rookie, you're on a call, yes sir,
and you're being flashed by a ninety year old woman
as her Pomeranian dog humps you on the leg and
she has a sex addicted dog. I mean, this is
the stuff you can't make up. I mean it's nice
you let the dog finish. I meant it's only natural. Yeah,
(50:56):
I got my eye full.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
So even though even though you were in it, you
knew at that point that you had made the correct
career decision.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yes, I'm gonna be this is where I needed. This
is a straight a cop right here. Love and Palmeranians
sound like a song. Hey, yeah, I have no, I've
got nothing.
Speaker 9 (51:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I wouldn't say it's a hair raising experience, but it's Palmeranian.
So it was a very hairy. Well at least you're
talking about the dog and not yeah the dog.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah yeah, I Ricky, I think you brought us our.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
That she felt comfortable enough to show you what was
under her.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Oh man, it was nothing for her. She and the
officer that went there got flashed. Yeah, no, I was
just I.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Thought maybe she need to the ild. Spread. No, no, no,
spread and nuts. She's let me pull you off. Great shift, guys,
that's what we have for today. We've got the ninety
year old flasher with the dog.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
The pup and the sex addicted dog, sex addicted dog
with a happy ending.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Speaking of happy endings, that's it for today, Jimmy and Ricky.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
It's been a pleasure for having you and thanks for
coming in the studio today.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Thank you for having me. Guys.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Until next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay safe,
and watch each other.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
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