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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Old Time Radio snack Wagon is on its summer break.
We're tuning up the snack Wagon, ordering our ingredients and
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey are you Adam Graham?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
The very same and this is my old Time Radio
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to the Old Time Radio snack Wagon, where we
serve up a bite sized portion of old time radio.
And now here's your snack wagon host, Adam Graham.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Welcome to the Old Time Radio snack Wagon. And this
week we have a comedic feud. These sort of feuds,
mostly made up and for show, were a really great
fodder for all concerned during the Golden Age of radio.
Of course, there are some really famous ones such as
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the Big Jack Betty and Fred Allen feud. And then
of course you have the constant bickering between Bob Hope
and Ben Crosby. Of course you had feuds that just
lasted for the duration of a given series and was
within that particular program such as Artie Shaw being the
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nemesis of George Burns back during the Burns and Allen
variety days. But sometimes a rivalry could start within a
show and take on a life of its own, and
such is the case with today's entry. Their was nineteen
thirty seven and a new radio program was launched on
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May not the Chasing Sad Samborn Hour, sponsored by the
makers of Chasing Sanborn Coffee. It was not actually Chasing
Sanborn's first foray into sponsoring a radio program. They had
a previous Chasing Sanborn program earlier in the thirties, hosted
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by Eddie Knter. Yeah, I think most fans of old
time radio when they think of Chasing Sanborn will undoubtedly
think of this particular iteration. These hour or ninety minute
long programs were really a bit of a treat. It's
hard for us to imagine in an age of on
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demand entertainment where we can listen to whatever we'd like,
whenever we'd like it, but the time that people could
spend being entertained was much more limited. So if you
sat down and listened to one of those hour long
variety programs, you would get to hear some music you
would get a comedy sketch or two as well as
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a dramatic sketch, and in some ways it felt like
you were getting three different programs at once. And Chas
and Samborn had a solid talented lineup to begin its
new show. The master of ceremonies was Dona Michi, who
would also star in each week's dramatic sketch and was
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a very talented Hollywood actor, able to do both more
serious and lighter stories. And then you had Dorothy Lamore
as the show's featured singer. This was in the days
before she became famous after teaming up with Bing Crosby
and Bob Hope. And then you had our two combatants. First,
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we had W. C. Fields, who took on this recurring
role as he was not well enough to work in
films after having had a major bout of depression. However,
he was already a well established entertainment icon. He'd been
in vaudeville, he'd been on Broadway silent pictures, as well
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as making his mark in the talkies. Charlie McCarthy, on
the other hand, was attached to Edgar Bergen, and by attached,
I mean he was a wooden dummy, and Edgar Bergan
was the ventriloquist. Edgar Bergan and Charlie McCarthy had made
many appearances on vaudeville circuits and in short films. However,
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the first real break for Bergen and McCarthy had come
five months previously on the Rudy Valley program. They had
been a huge success and were brought back for more
guest appearances, and eventually Chase and Sanborn came calling, and
a lot would ride on their success on this program.
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And that's the contacts in which this feud would begin
with the very first Chasing Sandborn hour on May ninth
of nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
How old is Charley maccarfor he's twelve years old? Twelve
years old? How interesting Hoder the little liperal sing me
a song?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Will if you give me ten dollars?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Ten dollars? He's more than twelve.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Well, he's really older than he looks.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
You see, he was jewing out of an old oak tree.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Face looks those june out of a piece of furs.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Fers room.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
How is that?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Well, if they had it cut your face out of
a piece of wood, they'd have to use redwood for
a nose, and an ample bit of it too, I
might say you too charge All.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Right, mister Fields, now about that serious illness of yours
I y had? Of course I was pretty redwood for
a nos.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
A pretty fresh little punk, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Redwood for a No?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
You're full of turmis and the guy is drunk.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Take them away, draws fly. Yeah, I'm made a drunk,
but I'll be sober tomorrow. You'll still be full of termite.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
There wasn't a whole lot to the start of the feud,
but it definitely had potential, and indeed it would continue
to build, with shots fired back and forth between the
two comedic rivels, building and increasing until this moment on
June twenty ninth of nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Up it, don't ask the bargain.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Charlie McCarty's cocnic crow Bergan was sitting on Charlie's lap,
had the curtain of a carton.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Mccothy. What's his name? McCarthy? Yeah? But so are You're talking?
For both of them?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Very the audience heads were bobbing up and down. Never
talked to many ball heading him alive, no wonder they
call it the comitt Crow I'll explained it later.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I didn't say it was any good.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
In the Wait a minute, quiet Bill, here's here's that
and Charlie.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
Now, oh yeah, I have to say.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They got the lawyer with them. Don't try to find
me for slander.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Watch my double cross the both of them.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Good evening, Edgar, Good evening, mister Field.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Greetings Charles, my diminutive little charm. Oh, mister Field, it's
gonna be a pleasant and greetings to you, counselor pardon
me for complimenting you on your beautiful blonde beard.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Didn't you used to play the tuber.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
In the House of David Band.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
How's everything up at Benson Harbor?
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Very fine? Thank you, very fine. Let us get on
with the case, mister Fields. I have come here to
represent my client, one Charles McCarthy, to institute proceedings against
you for twelve million dollars twelve million a handsome salm.
No jockeys have a rule of for trying unless you
are willing to settle for a round, some around, some
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settle for around so excellent, always round meaning nothing. Don't
be too hasty, mister Fields. We are prepared to press
the following charges defamation of character, alienation of affection, loss
of services, threatens, intend to assault, battery, mayhem and murder
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
L What now, mister Fields, did you or did you not?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
On the ninth of May last refer to my painting
one Charles McCarthy as a piece of sassafras root.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's what he called me. All right, all right, he
called me. Yes, I did.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
We got him there, we got him, he admitted.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Fruit is very tear to my heart.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Barrister, I was weaned on sasapris roote. I also gnawed
on sasapris route instead of a pacifier.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh, how that man can lie?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Don't believe in counselort? Mister Fields? Did you hard? Did
you not?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
On the same day accuse my client a being full
of termites?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Full of termites?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Yes, I remember, I answer in the affirmative. He said
that with the word stenuating circumstances. Charles squirmed off from
mister Burgen's knee three times that evening.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
It was not a threat.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I only wished to warm a little nipper, I thought you.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Did you hear that somebody's got their thumb on the
scales of justice around mister Fields? Did you hard?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Did you knock on me sixteenth last ride my client
at a piece of Grade BA lumber. How true, How true?
Grade B lumber, counselor is very tear and near to
my heart.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Grade B lumber.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
My little grade home in the west. Hard me barrish
there whilst I sheded tears. Yes, mister, yes, my old
homestead was.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Constructed of that kind modest little lean to.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
We had no windows, the very large packs in the
wall which serves the purpose. Admiral, oh ho where I
sleep and slumber. My little grade home made Grady.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Lumber birdie, as he said he would tick a woodteger
on ask him to explain it.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Was milli arm I even wanted to give the little
chap the bird he does. That's what it means.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He wished to present you with a meadow? How through?
How to better? Let's stick to the gate, mister Fields,
did you all?
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Did you not? On June twentieth, preson to drive and
nail and the chest of my clients. Did I understood
he was afflicted with Grady Lombard pneumonia.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And thought his chest should be capped.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Where's the logical gesture? But I think your pard, my
dear sir.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Did you all.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Did you not, on June point refer to my clients
as being full of sap?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He is and that will hurt him more than anything else.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Ever, Oh, you've got Charley crying now, Belle, see my
little weeping willow. Remember a horse without hay, a cow
without cur three without sir, that he's li likens to a.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Man without flood double c.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Very very beautiful, mister.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
And what's more, heed Or did not a little nipper
read to flip me and move me down? He did
not insist that my.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Windle August was made of rain water? Accuse me of
being an elective demon?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Run I shud heard the past.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Have you forgotten that quit disappletive?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I haven't.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
But then, on the other hand, Ah.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Did I not refer to you by diminutively to chub?
I didn't hear my bres my own place?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Did I not offer you my nose still with ve
wat you for al.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
No going to buy battle overhead, not even a basket, pay,
just a.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Little plans paper.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Now what a fortunate there. The little chapter is not going.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Wait, there's no need of going in, he said, any
swing off.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
My body hires mister McCarthy go on, mister, thanks to Counselor. Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
He called me a rot.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
He called me a punk, and he said he'd called
me down, and he.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Said he from that's murdered iris only quitting. How could
the boy misunderstand my gentle nations? How could one so
young with offices? It's a fib, but town right fib.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Pardon me for raising my boy.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Mister McCarthy, I cannot take this case. I will not
take this case.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What fand.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
What I can see at a glance that mister Field,
the kind man, is the one who is malign and was.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Easier child, my little tom.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Haven't I always been very the milk of human kind?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know? I refuse your case, mister McCarthy. Okay, I
apologize to you. Mister Peel's thinking of valuable time.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Thank you, Counselor, thank you for that miss grim.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Mister McCarthy, I am through with him forever. Oh, don't be.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
Too hot on the little staff, captain. We all make.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Mistake, Counselor.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Goodbye, mister Peel. It's a pleasure for me to meet
a man like you, a kind heart of man.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I apologize for my issues. Oh, don't mention it. Oh,
counselor I give up. This is too much for me.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Now, McCarthy, get your pencil and paper out and put.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
This in your little memory.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Bob, you bucked on in my time, and come hand counsel,
you dunk cat You think we oh you brub catty
and I think you nodded fine yester years to start at.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Christmas Tree, you hermit, flop out, you.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Flash Blue Fields mccazie, Suit of the Sansils.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Thank you with you and Johnny mccazey, and thank you
very much.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
WC.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Few.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I told you that Dono Mici was a great dramatic actor,
as evidenced by the way that he sells. I've got
to stop this big guy from killing this dummy. Fields
and McCarthy would continue to clash throughout Field's time on
The Chasing Sandborn Hour, which would end in the summer
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as he took a vacation before returning to film, and
Bergen and McCarthy were well on their way to becoming
icons of the Golden Age of radio. However, this wouldn't
be the end of the feud with W. C.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Fields.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It would come to film based on a story written
by Fields under a pseudonym called you can't cheat an
honest man, and of course Fields would make numerous guest
appearances on radio programs where he would renew hostilities with
Charlie McCarthy, the last time being in nineteen forty six,
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a few months prior to his death. Edgar Bergen would
continue to have a career that outlived the Golden Age
of radio with Las Vegas shows, occasional TV specials, in
appearance on The Muppet Show, and their final appearance in
The Muppet Movie. During the course of that long career,
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Charlie McCarthy would crossswords with some of the most talented
people in showbez, such as Dean Martin and Orson Wells,
but somehow none of those encounters would live up to
that first feud with W. C.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Fields.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
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Speaker 2 (17:25):
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Speaker 1 (18:03):
Until next time.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Good Bye,