April 14, 2025 • 59 mins
Mark, Phil, Pam and Jess Talk about dream visitation.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that
(00:27):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejouvu or felt
a prompting to leave because you felt you were in danger.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you have, you were on the Fringe.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Welcome to another episode of On the Fringe. I'm Mark, I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Philip, I'm yess.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Phil has been down here for so long he forgot
to introduce.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I blame on the lag. That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Sure, that's what I like.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Started tonight, folks, we are going to talk about dream visitations.
Do our friends and relatives who have passed before us
visit us in our dreams? So before we get started,
I'm going to take care of our housekeeping.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
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Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now on with the show, all right, So, dream visitation
for those of you who aren't aware, which there probably
is not a whole lot of people who have not
heard of this, especially after hearing some neat statistics that
(02:47):
just came up with. But dream visitation is where, and
sometimes it doesn't necessarily have to be a deceased friend
or loved one. Sometimes you get visited by people who
are just thinking about you strongly. But it's where your
(03:09):
loved ones visit you in a dream. They have characteristics
that are usually fairly easy to tell the difference between
a dream. You know, dreams are all crazy and stuff
and you don't remember much of them, whereas a visitation,
they're super clear and they stick with you, you don't
(03:36):
forget them, and you feel like you've actually seen this person.
So I think most of us have some personal experiences
with that. I invite anybody who's on in the comments
to share your story if you want as well. So
(03:59):
who wants to get it started? Or I can start?
You start, all right, I'll start Phil.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, No, I was gonna say I'll start it off.
I mean I had I've had an experience. You were
talking about everybody, you know, all of us here kind
of having an experience. I don't know if it was
a don't believe it's a dream state, but I've shared
many many times before my grandmother. I was in Florida
when she passed away here in Kansas, and I woke
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up and she was at the foot of my bed,
you know. And I've been talking back and forth my
family the prior evening. So you might say it's a
dream state. I don't know. And in full transparency, I mean,
I've done no research on this, you know. This is
just a spread for the moment saying hey, I asked Mark, Hey,
(04:55):
what's going on? You know, and I'll jump on with
you or whatever. But the next morning, the petty officer
that was kind of over the barracks or whatever, came
to my door. It was like six in the morning,
and he knocked on the door, you know, told me said, hey,
you know last corporate night, he said, I have some news.
I said, I know. My grandmother's passed away, but it's
(05:17):
like she stopped off on her way, you know, and
told me goodbye. You know. So that's where I'll start
off at. I'll let you roll with it from there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
All right, that's a really interesting story if you all
are interested. Phil told that story and its entirety over
on the Monstrous Arkansas page, Isn't that right? On YouTube
with Robert Prevo. He did a Halloween special this last Halloween.
Go back to October and listen to that. Phil has
(05:53):
a lot of great stories on there, and he tells
my favorite, the one about the grinning creature that got
him in the bathtub. So that that whole podcast, that
Halloween specials pretty awesome. So go check it out if
you just want to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Some It is.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
A good one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
All right. Well, I've got a couple recent ones, very
recent that spurred this this episode. So a couple of
weeks ago it started out. I had a dream where
my mother and my two aunts and I were on
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a road trip in a really crappy car. And I
remember this car from when I was a kid. It
was a brown AMC Hornet and it had only gotten
worse over the years. In my dream, parts of it
were falling off as we went down the road, and
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my aunt kept patting me on the shoulder said it's
going to be all right, We'll make it. And we
drove up my grandparents old street, where I spent many years,
you know, hanging out with the neighbors, had little friends
on that street. And we pulled up in front of
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my grandparents' old house and my mom said, let's go
in and look around, and so you know, I don't
know who lives there now. We just walked in and
aram and we kept finding things that were there, you know,
when I was a kid, or the mom was a kid,
and she'd show him to and I remember she was
(07:44):
her thrilled when she her dog, Eric's blue and white
rubber ball all cracked and nasty, had a bell in it,
a hole in it, you know, just an old dog toy. Uh.
It was just when I woke up, I really felt refreshed.
(08:05):
I had really spent time and had a good time.
And then not a few days later, I had a
dream where I was in a convenience store and it
was just one of those weird dreams, you know how
they start out. And I'm standing in line at this
convenience store and all of a sudden, the whole thing
(08:26):
changes and I look over and my brother is standing
there in line, and I look at him, and he
looks at me, and I said, well, how'd you get here?
He goes, you know, I don't know. I was on
my way to work and here I am, But how
are you doing? And we gave each other a big
old hug and talked for a minute, and then you know,
(08:50):
I woke up and it's the clearest thing. I mean,
I could smell him. I could smell his cologne. So
that got me thinking about it. You know what, that'd
be a good thing to talk about on the show.
And so here we are.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
That's really interesting because, like you said, it's not disjointed.
You know, it's not like a dream dream where things
aren't right or you know, weird things are showing up.
It was that visceral. It was that you know, had
all those senses involved.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So what I also like about it is a lot
of people when they dream. I mean I have vivid
when I the dreams that I remember, but they're vivid,
you know, they they incorporate all the senses. Not everybody
can can touch or smell or see color. You know.
(09:52):
My cousin dreams in black and white. So to me,
that's something when when especially when it comes to a
loved one, you know, that's passed on or whatever. To me,
that that vividness of the dream is something. I mean,
I think there may be something there.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I really, I really felt it. If I'm having
trouble is kind of you know, tearing me up a
little bit talking about it. But it was pretty amazing.
(10:35):
And I really felt good about both of these encounters
because everybody in them was gone, but I felt all
right after that. It's like, you know, everything's good, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So but an interesting point, I think you mentioned this
mark when we were talking about it before. Didn't you
say something to the fact that he has said that
he was on his way to work and when he
had passed, he had just gone to work or something.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He just walked in and sat down and he passed
away right there, and so just that's part of what
made it. Yeah, I don't know. I was on my
way to work and here I am. So yeah, it's
(11:35):
still tearing me up pretty good. But I felt like
it was something that probably people needed to discuss because
it happens quite a bit. Yes, you found some statistics, Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I sure did. Let me pull them back up again. Yeah,
in my hunt, because I actually went and hunted up
some light you know, people's dreams and stuff that they'd
had on their own, and I found an article that
was super interesting. This is from twenty twenty three. So
(12:15):
the survey was conducted March twenty seventh through April second,
twenty twenty three, among five thousand and seventy nine adults,
and they tried to include as many religious backgrounds, atheists
and everything, tried to get them all shoved in there
so you could kind of get a good overview. And
they found out that about half of us adults, about
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fifty three percent, say they've either been visited by a
dead family member in a dream or in some other form,
and substantial share say they've had interactions with dead relatives
in just the last twelve months, so before twenty twenty three,
but I would assume that it's probably the same now.
I can't imagine it's changed a lot in just a
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couple of years. Thirty four percent have felt the presence
of a dead relative, twenty eight percent have told a
dead relative about their life, and fifteen percent have had
a dead family member communicate with them. In total, forty
four percent of Americans report having at least one of
these three experiences in just the previous year. So it's
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absolutely a high amount. I would think that was probably
just a little bit higher. I kind of make it
akin to like, you know, Brian Tarrell's you know how
many people report bigfoots one out of ten, So you know,
really how many people report or would talk about the
fact that they've seen a dead relative and a dream
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or you know.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Right, I mean because people and it's not so bad now,
but people would look at you funny, Oh yeah, give
you the stinky like you're a little bit special. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I will say, one of the one of the
most interesting things that I saw there. I'm not a
highly religious person or anything like that, but I thought
it was super interesting that among the atheists, they actually
had the higher levels of reports.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
That is interesting. I wonder why I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Them.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
They needed to wise up the other relatives.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All the relatives are coming back and saying, well, regardless
of you know, I mean, across all religions, whatever you
believe in or whatever. Maybe maybe they're just all coming
back saying, hey, there is something over here. You'll get
to see it soon. So maybe that's what that is.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Maybe I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Know this isn't a subject, but if you look at
near death experiences, yeah, and it runs that gambit. You know,
the atheist Christians, the Muslims, you name it. There's so
many similarities in the in in the experiences these people
have that really makes you question, hey, you know there
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is something there. I mean, I I my faith and
I truly believe there is there's something there, and it's
up to you to find out. Really, you know, I mean,
because one way or another, we're all going to find
out one day.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Death and taxes from absolutely well. We had the show
a while back about uh, hospice nurse reports and stuff,
and so you know, people when they're getting close to going,
(15:53):
they they see them, they're not dreaming they're seeing them
right there in the room, you're sitting there with them. Uh.
And when that happens, you know, it's only going to
be twenty four to forty eight hours usually, so maybe
a little longer, maybe a little less.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
So you know, I think that was at uptil like
two weeks before.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It might have been.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's been too long. Phil just saying, getting too busy
with your farm and everything.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I keep forgetting about us. I haven't forgot, trust me.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Chris said she saw that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Was he was talking talking to family members there and
people he he knew.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
So it's really a sense of you know, comfort, honestly,
to know that there's somebody, there's going to be somebody
waiting on us, you know, family in front.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean absolutely, And you know, those messages
from the other side, I really think, I really think
that they're a positive thing for most people really do.
In fact, Google says that visitation dreams, where a deceased
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person appear in a dream, are common and often interpreted
interpret can't talk, pardon me. Interpreted as a form of
communication or spiritual connection, They can provide a sense of relief,
closure and guidance for the dreamer, while skeptics can see
them as just a symbolic or manifestation of grief processing. So,
(18:00):
I mean, whatever your view, most people consider it a
positive experience.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, I have a fun story, excuse me. So growing up,
I had a friend that you know, we're from a
small town, so a lot of the people that we
went to school with here through kindergarten on through high school.
And this this guy, his name is Chris, and he
was one of those people.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And he passed away not.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Too long after high school, and he was we were
really good friends. And I want to say it was
about two thousand and eight, somewhere in there. I was
trying to make a decision whether I wanted to continue
with my career corporate career, or if I wanted to
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really get into art and pursue something more along those lines.
And when I was really starting to think about this hard,
I had dream I dreamt of him like two or
three different times, and every time he was smiling, you know,
and not talking, but smiling, and he kept showing me
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a picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. And I couldn't make
that connection because you know, we had never talked about
New York or you know, anything like that, anything to
do with the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
And I wasn't getting.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
What he meant by that, and it stopped, you know,
those three times, but it always stuck in the back
of my head. I needed, for some reason to find
this picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. And I looked and looked,
and like it was like three years later when I
finally we were actually in the store looking at puzzles
of all things, and I saw a puzzle and it
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was the Brooklyn Bridge. And I was like, oh my god,
that's the exact picture that he showed me. So and
I pulled it out to show you guys, because I've
kept it all these years.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
There's the puzzle, okay.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
And so I went ahead and not knowing why I
needed this puzzle, but I did. And on the back
of it, it's got a little spiel about the Brooklyn
Bridge on it talks about it being a symbol of
greatness of New York and the American ingenuity, and it
goes on down here we get to where it's important
to this conversation.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Let's see, okay, a.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Promenade for pedestrians and vehicles and a genius work of art,
which continues to inspire writers, artists, and common Americans across
its searched portals or view it from afar. So when
I saw that, I was like, he's telling me, you know,
I need to pursue art. I really need to go
for it. And that was my catalyst to get out
of corporate America.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
So I did it.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
I took the plunge and that we went back. Oh
kind of cool, much happier, Holy cow, much much. But no,
I've always kept that I always will never saw him again.
But he you know, he sent me this, and it's
so cool because it was this picture with that exact
you know, pink colors, purples.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
In the skies, everything the same. It was the picture though.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was cool. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. So I mean,
does anybody else have any stories who's in our in
the in the comments, it doesn't look like I can
tell mine. I'll go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I have a few. So I was kind of telling
them a little bit backstage, but I'll tell them again.
So I've had two visits from my grandmother on my
mother's side. We were really close when she was alive.
She passed when I was in high school. She had
bone cancer that snuck up really fast. We didn't realize
that she had it, thankfully, so she didn't you know,
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it wasn't a long illness. She went pretty fast, but
she actually the first dream visit I got from her
was shortly after I had married my husband, and in
the dream, I woke up in bed and sat up,
and she walked into my bedroom, just walked through the
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door like she was right there, and uh, I was like,
oh my goodness, what are you doing here? And she
just smiled really big at me, and she put her
finger up to her mouth, and in my head, it
wasn't you need to be quiet? She was telling me
that she couldn't talk to me, but she just nodded
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her head a lot, and I just felt inclined just
to tell her everything that had been going on, and
she just smiled really big and nodded her head, and
after a little while she kind of shook her head again,
like I need to scram and I you know, I
told her I love you so much and I miss you,
and she nodded her head at me and just walked
back out again. And it was like Mark said, you
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feel fantastic when you wake up from that, you're like, oh,
that's awesome. And then I got one more visitation from her.
It had been several years later. I'd actually moved into
a new house and she did the exact same thing.
I just kind of woke up and set up in
bed in my dream, and she just walked right back
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in again. And the oddity this time was that, for
some reason in my head, I thought there was some
kind of an emergency going on. I thought something was wrong,
and he asked her. I was like, Grandma, what's wrong,
what's wrong? And she just shook her head at me, like,
you silly, there's nothing wrong, and she just smiled at
me and put her finger back up again, like I
can't talk. So I just told her what was going on,
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and she nodded her head a lot and smiled really big,
and she gave me the look again, and I was like,
you gotta go, and she was like and she shook
her head yes, and waved really big to me and
just walked right back out again. Fell back asleep, and
woke up feeling fantastic. She couldn't ever like come past
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the end of the bed, like there was some kind
of a barrier there, which I don't understand. I got
the feeling that I couldn't go to her and she
couldn't come to me. But it was really it was
really nice. My grandma has has this thing she does
with our family. She always wanted to travel and she
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never really got the chance to. My grandfather worked for
Phillips and he kind of got to go all over
the world because he was a soils engineer. I mean,
he got to go at work on the Alaska Pipeline
and he's been overseas to like crazy places like Indonesia
and stuff like that. And she was never able to go.
And she always told all of us that she was
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going to go see the world when she died. And
I think that old lady did it because it started
off with my aunt. My aunt was living up in
Lenexa and she started finding being foreign coins in the
seat of her car. She would get in her car
and there'd be like change from a couple different places
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like Chinese yin and and she started realizing, because you know,
the doors are locked, nobody's like throwing foreign coins in there.
And she finally realized that it was probably Grandma finally
getting to travel.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
So that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I think that's probably why she's only visited twice, because
that busy, that lady's busy, she's doing some.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Place to go.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Absolutely, I mean I think you may have answered my question.
I'm just thinking, do you think these visitations are before
or after they cross over? You know? But but you're
talking about being a barrier or something like at the
foot of the bed or whatever, because my grandma she
was at the foot of the bed too, and I
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kind of wonder if it's after they've crossed over, just
coming back kind of check on this. I don't know.
I mean, I don't really know. That's just kind of
my thought process on it.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
There's so many stories that are both ways.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Honestly, you know, I think they can probably come back
in and out. I think if they're visiting you and
they haven't crossed over yet, you're probably getting more of
a ghost type of situation rather than like a dream visitation.
Oh that's just my opinion. I don't know, you know,
we don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I'm going to have my ashes sent to the capital
of every country in the world, the world domination, the.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Entire world, one million dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I have a story.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
It's pretty wild. So my friend Janey. She was very
ill for quite a while before she passed, and at
one point she was in a coma and she had
always told me, you know, we're really good friends. And
she had always told me, you know, if I died
before you do, I'm going to come back and let
you know, you know kind of thing. And so, you know,
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I wasn't thinking anything of it because she hadn't passed.
She was she but she was in a coma and
in the middle of the night, I heard her yell
my name. She always called me Pammy, and I heard
Pammy right in my ear. Scared me, scared me awake.
I sat up in bed, freaked out, freaked my husband
at the time out, you know, he was like, what's happening,
(27:36):
What's happened? And I was like, Janey just yelled in
my ear, and he's like, what did she say? And
I said, she said my name, and he was like,
she's ore. Do you think something happened to her? I said,
I don't know, it's just like she was trying to
get my attention. So I got ahold of her daughter
the next day and she's like, no, she's she's in
(27:56):
she's she hasn't woke up, yet she's in a coma.
She's okay, you know, she's you know, her vitals are fine.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
I was like, okay, Well I heard her call my
name and she's like that's crazy. Well then like two
weeks later, I get a phone call and it's her
daughter and she's at the hospital and she's like, hey, mom,
woke up. She wants to tell you how And I
was like, oh, that's so awesome, you know. So I
was like, hey, you know, so we're talking for just
a second. She was really weak, and I said I
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have a question, and she said it was me and
I was like, what do you mean it was you?
And she said I yelled at you and you heard me.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
It was me.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
And I was like, that's so stinking cool, you know.
And then it was probably. I went down and saw
her a couple of times in the hospital, and then
she ended up back in a coma in a really
bad way, and I had another dream of her, and
she looked great. She had done she had her makeup
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done up. She looked beautiful, and she's sitting on a
bed in a room and I'm in the hallway and
so where I'm at I'm looking in the room talking
to her, and so she you know, she's laughing and
carrying on, and she just looks beautiful, you know, and
she says something, and she says, isn't that right, Dave?
And so where I'm at I turned to look in
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this other room and her husband is setting in this
other room on a bed. He had passed away a
couple of years prior to this, and I was like, Wow,
what's Dave doing here?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
So I thought it was really cool that I was
talking back and forth. And so when I woke up,
I was super happy because, you know, I got to
see Jane. He got to tell Dave high and everything.
And I was like, I don't know what it means,
but it's really cool. And so I'm telling again my
husband at the time. I'm telling him about this, and
you know, I'm super excited, and he's just looking at
me like he has this really funny look on his face.
(29:48):
And I was like, Oh, she's she's going to pass
away soon, isn't she. And he was like, and it
sounds like it, you know.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Was his thinking.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And it kind of made sense when we got to
thinking about it, because I was in a hallway, you know,
and I could see her in a room and she
was close to day if she could talk to him,
but they were separated, you know, rooms that I was
out in the hall and could see both. But it
was really wild and it was just a few weeks
later that she did pass. But I thought it was
cool I got to talk to.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Him when last time.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, pretty neat. And you know, people talking to people
in their dreams who aren't gone is actually fairly common
as well.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
I can still hear her, hear her scream my name
because she scared the Jesus out of me.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Well, that happened with us. Remember you and I did
that once, Pam, We did. Yeah, she and I can't
remember what it was for. She had to go into
the hospital for some kind of a little surgery or
something like that on my leg. Didn't tell anybody, Yeah,
and her mom didn't know. She hadn't told anybody. And
(31:02):
her mother texted me at like midnight one night to
let me know that Pam was okay and she'd come
through the surgery okay or something like that. And I
didn't get it until like two in the morning because
I didn't wake up when it first came through I
woke up and needed to use the bathroom and grab
my phone on the way and the notification came on
(31:22):
and all I could see was Pam's in the hospital
or whatever, and I was like what And I texted
her mom back and she goes, She's fine, she's out,
and I was like, I yelled at her. I went Pam, like,
you know, how could you not tell anybody? And she
told she I called her the next day and she
was like, was that you that yelled at me In
(31:43):
the middle of the night. I woke up because I
heard somebody scream Pam, and I was like, that was
probably me. I was mad because you did that and
didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
She was interesting because you know, I have audience. I
can I can hear. It's clear hearing is what it means,
and it's not always turned on, but it's it's I mean,
I could see that it would be turned on more
when I'm asleep, but not intentionally. You know that it
(32:17):
would be easier to access when I was asleep. That's
pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That tells me. There's that tells me there's an emotional connection,
and that's what seemingly you know what I mean, The
loved ones visiting, even the living, you know, visiting. I
think there's I mean that I think that's part of
is the emotional connection of those people. Have. Have you
(32:41):
guys ever listened to the Telepathy Tapes. It's a podcast
called the Telepathy Tapes.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, are you familiar with that?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I have. It sounds like something I need.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
To I've told them about it, but yeah, they need.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
To about nonverbal autistic children, you know, I mean all
the way up, I think even teenagers and all that,
and how they communicate, they communicate around the world.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Mhm.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
They meet on the hill with.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Other nonverbal autistic kids and they meeted a place they.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Called the Hill, and it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's crazy. Yeah, and this lady, the host, is trying
to get it scientifically approved. I guess you know that tested,
you know, per science that they're really doing this. Yeah's
running tests that are like no way to spoof it.
You know. They're like having a kid in the other
room away from their parents or their mom. Usually it's
(33:45):
usually the mother there strong their strongest bond is Yeah,
and it's crazy, but I mean this it fits so
well though. I mean it's maybe not a dream state,
but is it because these kids are nonverbal, you know,
they communicate with I can't remember what they call it,
like a letter pad or something like that. They learn
(34:05):
how to type out their sentences and things like that,
but they're really nonverbal. They may be able to say
a few words or letters or something like that. But
this all we've talked about to see if it reminds
me of that, because these kids are using telepathy and
they're trying to figure out, Okay, how are they doing this?
(34:26):
And I don't know if they'll ever figure it out,
but it's the way I think the brain is.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
The brain is a very powerful organ and.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It's really wild with these kids too, because a couple
of them didn't even realize they had a body until
they started communicating this way, and didn't you know, they
didn't understand and that's why they were all over the
place because they didn't even realize they had arms, you know,
and they're flapping them all the time and whatever.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
And they learned.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
They are learning how to can troll their self better
bodily by by all of this, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
What I found interesting is how they're going to this hill,
you know, this place they all meet and they're learning
things that they've never been taught, you know, out in
the physical world, you know, in school or you know,
because a lot of the schools and stuff. Well, these
guys they don't have a chance. I mean, they're they're autistic,
(35:30):
they're they don't have a chance to function in real
world and real society. And these kids are learning things
that these people never imagine they can learn. But they
are like and a lot of autistic you know, are
like savants and things like that. But even these kids
that are so far gone compared to our social norms,
(35:53):
you know, are learning things beyond even normal people like us,
you know. So, I mean, and it's it's it's crazy.
It's a good show.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
It is, it's worth a watch.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Who says that normal is necessarily a good thing?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I tried to be normal for a while. It was
the worst five minutes of my life.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
It's actually the first twenty years of my life. It
was terrible.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But you know, I mean societal norms. I mean, it's
it's programming. Yeah, I mean, my wife and I were
talking about that the other day. It's programming. You're expecting
to program, You're expected to m hm. We do, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
And we teach them to ignore stuff like what we
talk about on this show mhm, whether we want to or.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Not, right, and and a lot I think a lot
of it is also you're well meaning behind it, trying
not to scare them or something like that, and you
condition them out of that. I really do.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, We've discussed it many times, and I think that's
exactly what happens. I think that's exactly why young children
and animals are more sensitive to the quote unquote paranormal.
I don't think it's para normal. I think it's just normal,
and we learn to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I would agree. You know, we had to put
our bulldog down last week to the the vet, you know,
because he got hit by a car with the knuckle
ahead he you know, he loves you know. I mean,
I'm not gonna go real far into it, but he
(37:48):
was my dog. I mean I was like, but anyway,
after his X rays and all that, and that was
like his best option because he was ate up with
all or not with Alzheimer's, but arthritis from like the
middle of his back all the way back to his
hind feet and he had a I mean, he had
some damage, internal bleeding and stuff like that. You know.
(38:11):
They took him back into the room and I went
back in. I was waiting for my wife to come down.
And he still try to wag his you know, little nub.
But I think, you know, just the sense I got
from him was he knew that he was. I don't
think he would have lasted another day anyway. Yeah, but
I didn't want him suffering and all that. But I
(38:34):
think you know you're talking about animals being open to that.
Absolutely they are. I've seen it too many times, yep.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But because nobody's told them that they can't.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Right, good point.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It is, and that's what we do to our kids.
Oh no, you're just imagining things right, And I'm guilty
of it.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I've tried to if my kids say something off the wall.
I mean my old my son, you know, my youngest son.
He's always had a really active imagination, you know. I
mean I would say above the norm, you know, and
it's not a bad thing. And I'm not poking fun
(39:25):
at it. I mean, I think that's brilliant, just being
the creative that he is. You know, when he was young,
little you know, he's like I used to live in
New York, and I'm like, whoa, let's talk about this,
you know. And so I've never tried to steer them
away from that because I want to encourage it. Yeah,
(39:48):
encourage him to be open and see where it goes,
you know. And my daughter's kind of the same way.
It means, you don't like coming upstairs at night, and
she's like, I see something in the bedroom when I
see a big eye in the in the in the
bedroom window, like store, you know you're on the second story.
I mean, what are you in my thought process? You know,
(40:10):
I'm like, what are you seeing? You know? And she's like,
it's just scary. I said, okay, let's let's explain it.
So well I can't. It's just a big eye, okay,
you know, you know, And I try to ask the
information to get the information, you know, some things to
mean it could be a kid's imagination, but just no
(40:30):
holes barred, you know. But other things, I'm like, Okay,
what are you open to? What do you what are
you messing with or are you messing with something? Are
you touching on something that maybe needs more conversation about,
you know, So that that that's what I'm trying to do.
With my younger kids. But I know for a fact,
you know my older boys that I was like, no,
(40:51):
I don't worry about that, you know. I mean, this
just the standard, Okay. I don't want you to be
scared of the dark, So I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
talk you down, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, And I think some of us are talking ourselves
down too because we don't we don't want to think
that there's something there to scare our kids. So if
we talk it away, we're saving the both of us.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I took my oldest he was deathly afraid of the
dark when he was real little, and I got a
it was it was grape sentate, of all things. I
don't know why I remember that, but I got a
rooms an air freshener that was grape scentate that he liked,
and I made a a cover for the can and
(41:38):
it said monster spray, so you know, when he would
be like, you know, there's this scary in here or whatever,
we would spray monster spray and that helped. But he
still was not a fan, so I don't know what
he was saying. I wish I would have encouraged you
more to talk about it as opposed to trying to
chase it away.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Well, we're taught as children to be parents who talk
our kids down from stuff like that. You know, I
was fortunate my mom was fairly open minded about stuff
like that. We talked about, you know, we had long
drawn out conversations about stuff like that, a lot of speculation. Actually,
(42:20):
she would have been great on the show, you know,
back back in the day. She she was my inspiration
to get into a lot of this stuff. But most
people's parents aren't aren't quite so open with stuff like that. Now,
(42:47):
granted I was told I had and I did, I
had a very vivid imagination, But how much of that
was really my imagination? How much did I just get
taught to see?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, right, That's all I was going to ask, you know,
is I mean, like like my son. I mean, he's
got an extremely vivid imagination. You know, he getting a
little bit older, you know, and I hear him telling
his sister, you know, it's no big deal or whatever.
I've tried not to talk him down or whatever if
he's got ideas and thoughts. So part of me thinks
(43:25):
that some of this just happens naturally, you know, he
might tell his teacher or something like that. Also, you know.
I mean, I'm just trying to put things together, you know,
And it's not just us, but I think as parents,
I think it's more important to be open with them,
(43:47):
you know, and maybe not let the belief system rule
one hundred percent. Still question exactly, you know, because it
doesn't matter what your belief system is. It's all belief systems,
(44:08):
maybe aside from atheism. In reality, that's still a belief system. Yeah,
but all belief systems lead you to a spiritual realm,
you know. So I don't believe it matters what belief
system you have.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I think if you temper that with the real world
and even look through your belief system, but if you
look through that in the real world, tempered that with
your belief system, I think you're going to wind up
on the spiritual side, in a spiritual world and understanding
(44:52):
of it. I don't I'm trying to put my thoughts together.
I don't know if it came out right, but that's
kind of you know, where I'm at.
Speaker 8 (45:01):
So yeah, yeah, that's how most people view stuff like
this is through whatever belief system.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And then as I've gotten older, I've found myself becoming
more and more capable of looking around the corners, as
it were, to try to see what's really going on,
which is kind of why I got into what I've
(45:35):
gotten into. And I still find myself being fairly skeptical,
but there's been so much stuff that I've run into
in the last thirteen years now that I just can't
explain any other way.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Yeah, and I think when it comes to like our group,
like the friends that we hang out with, I really
think that we have gone and are currently undergoing like
a rebirth, as crazy as that sounds, because we're all
just kind of we're, yeah, we're deprogramming. We were waking
(46:15):
up to all of this, and we've said it a
thousand times before, you know, twelve ten, twelve years ago,
when we first started this group, we never touched you know,
Bigfoot and parallel universes and.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
That was it, and we weren't even that deep on
ghosts when you really think about it. We were just like,
there's an entity and we want to see if we
can get it to interact with us. And that's about
as far as that went, So it's like trying to
like re redo yourself, like crack down that wall and
(46:55):
rebuild it, you know, the correct way is what we're
in the middle of doing right now.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
So yeah, just trying to be more open. Yeah, And
I really think that's probably what led to me accepting
my visits a couple of weeks ago as being visits.
They just felt like visits. And I don't know if
(47:25):
the past me would have been as open to it
as the current me.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
So I think if you're listening, Enzo said, I think
the appearances of all of those oddities is getting too
large to ignore.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Well I also think that's because of I mean, the
paranormal and cryptids and all this other stuff has become
really big and popular media in social media and stuff
here in just the last ten to fifteen years. And
I think it's kind of like what we've talked about before.
If you talk about it and if it's in the
you know, in the conscious, in the hive mind, I
(48:06):
think they start popping out. You know, if you look
at it, it looks back at you. That kind of
a situation. Yeah, I think so many more of us
are starting to really look into this and believe some
stuff and realize there's more to life than you know.
Go into work and.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
It's like going through life and blinders on and we're
removing those don't look, don't look, don't look.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Now, I kind of wonder. You know, we've talked about
talking about our kids, right, I kind of wonder, you know,
like like for us, you know people, we mean, obviously
it's more common all of us, I think, have had
a lifetime of experiences just sharing our stories and talking
(48:56):
with each other. And Enzo, you're right, once you see it,
you can unsee it. And Sylvain, you know, more people
are expanding their horizons they are. I agree with that,
but and I think Jess, you're onto something with social
media and all that. But I guess my question is
does it come down to a maturity level as well?
(49:19):
You know, you become I mean, obviously the older you get,
the more rational I think you become. You know, you're
not so apt most people. You're not so apt to
go off half cocked, you know, you know, but you
kind of look look at things logically, you know, you
(49:45):
try to break down the common denominator and you kind
of leave what doesn't break down and you question that
and you question where did that come from? Or what
is that? Or or what's on the other side, you know,
or something along that line. You guys, you guys, Are
(50:05):
you guys getting what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know, you question what's not common according to societal norms?
You know, if that makes sense? Maybe I'm just rambling.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, or are we to say anything about getting off
in the weeds although we stayed pretty much on target today.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
I'm proud of us.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
We have proud of us. Yeah. Since Christy could not
be here last time, I really would like to get
her on talk about some of this. Do we want
to have a part too this show?
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
I think we should because I would love to hear
her side of this, like her thoughts on it. Yeah,
And I almost want to kind of save some of
our personal stories for that show because I know that
she can get us a little bit of insight into
our own personal stories too, which is like super exciting.
(51:06):
I don't know about you, guys, but it's super exciting
for me to hear just a little bit of what
of her insight on the matter. And I know she
has crazy stories not just her own, but you know
other ones that she's encountered. She encounters it every day,
so she'd be really exciting.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
What I think what in honesty, I think Christie's advantage
in this aspect is She's blind.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
Yeah senses yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
A lot of people don't realize that we've had her
on shows before and they had no idea. Yeah, Christie's blind.
I know that she can see some light and a
few colors, but it's it's just about gone. And she's
always She's almost always been that way, So yeah, I
would I would assume that if you lose something like that,
(52:04):
that everything else is really gonna your senses are going
to be heightened in other areas.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
I don't care about her eyes. I think she sees
way more than I do.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
For sure she does.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
So she's an awesome person though she is.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yes, she was really sad she couldn't be on, but
but she did have commitments.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
So yeah, she had a client she had forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
So I will contact her and see when she can
get on with us. Maybe if we can't do it
the next show, then maybe we can do it the
show after and have a part two to this.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
That'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So, yeah, I think I think it would be Hoovis
because I guess you're right. I think her insights into
this would be Yeah, it would be illuminating.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Yeah, I really want to. I have I have a
couple of stories about I want to say, like former
loved ones they're not my loved ones anymore, that have
visited me in dreams very recently, one of which has
comes back two or three times a year that I
don't want around at all, And I wanted to kind
(53:17):
of see if she had like some advice.
Speaker 7 (53:20):
You need the monster spray I do.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, I have an ex fiance and a family member
that just will not leave me alone. They just keep
coming back and causing havoc.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
So just because you're so awesome they can't Is it because.
Speaker 7 (53:44):
Your light shines so brightly?
Speaker 3 (53:46):
See?
Speaker 4 (53:47):
Well they need to kick yeah rocks, kick rocks.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
All right, Well, I don't have a lot more for
tonight if we're going to do a part two with Christy,
because we don't want to waste all of our all
of our stories. I've got a couple of stories that
I can save. I do want to talk to you
about my two recent ones. But yeah, if you guys
(54:23):
don't have a whole lot, we'll call it a night
and see if we can't get Christy on to finish up.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
You know what, let's let we got like, let's finish
out the hour. I got a whole bunch of stories offline,
and I found some really interesting ones that like had
an outcome to them. So I've picked I've picked two
out of the whole bunch that I found to tell.
(54:53):
One is crazy and one is kind of uplifting. So
I'm going to tell the two of those and we
can just like leave out on those.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
How that sound that sounds like a good idea?
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah, Okay. The first one I found was just amazing,
and I went and double checked some stuff, and I
think it's absolutely true. I did some sleuthing and found
the original author of it and went kind of checked
into their details. So it says after my sister's passing,
(55:23):
I had a dream that she was angry and appeared
as an angel dressed in red. A man who had
abused us both as children was in prison at that time,
and in the dream I saw her hover above him
in his cell as he trembled in fear. I watched
as she reached her hand into his chest and squeezed
(55:45):
his heart. It was such a real felling dream. I
found out a little while later that that man had
died in prison from a ruptured aorda. She always said
that she was going to make him pay, and I
do think it was his fault. She had become involved
in drug and alcohol misuse before her untimely death.
Speaker 6 (56:11):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Yeah, holy cow, if it's true. Wow, don't piss off
that sister, No Joe. Yeah. And the second one I found,
I thought it was super interesting. So it said this
was in a chat room. I think this was on Reddit.
I believe it said I realized my father wasn't supposed
(56:39):
to be here in a dream, and I was arguing
with him and suddenly realized, wait, Dad, you're dead and
I know I'm dreaming, and I ran towards him and
I hugged him as hard as I could. He actually
responded like he was shocked that I recognized that I
was dreaming. Everything stood still and became very lucid. I
(57:02):
asked him if I could go with him, and he said, sure, kid,
meet me at Winton Street. I have no idea where
that came from, but I looked for relevant addresses for months,
hoping I could find him. It'll be two years next month.
And then after that I was reading along and in
the comments, somebody said, hey, are you in Texas, because
(57:24):
there's a Winton Street in Texas, it's the only Winton
Street in the US. And underneath of it, this person
came back and said, I'm in the Midwest. But I
literally just found out that my dad once owned a
home in Texas way before.
Speaker 3 (57:41):
I was born.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
That might have been it. That's so like the resolve
came out in the comments, like it worked itself out eventually.
I think she found out that he grew up on
Winton Street, so and she would know she never knew,
you know, you lived there before, long before she was
ever born.
Speaker 7 (58:02):
So that's interesting too that it was. It was a
long time afterwards, because like the deal with the puzzle,
it was a good three years before I located the picture,
But it had the meaning that I needed at that
time that I needed it when I found it, pretty
cool cool.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, I've got lots more stories like that, so
when we have Christy back on, we can hit some
of them.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Sweet, right, I think that is fantastic well, I hope
that everybody in the chat and watching us live enjoyed
the show. Those of you who are listening online, we
will have a part two of this Look for Dream
(58:50):
Visitation Part two in the next few weeks, I hope.
And with that said, I I think it's time to
say good night. Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, good
night everybody.
Speaker 6 (59:07):
Good night.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
I have a good one. Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm
hmmmm
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Mm hm h m hmmmmmm
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Started tonight, folks, we are going to talk about dream visitations.
Do our friends and relatives who have passed before us
visit us in our dreams? So before we get started,
I'm going to take care of our housekeeping.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
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Speaker 3 (02:27):
Now on with the show, all right, So, dream visitation
for those of you who aren't aware, which there probably
is not a whole lot of people who have not
heard of this, especially after hearing some neat statistics that
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just came up with. But dream visitation is where, and
sometimes it doesn't necessarily have to be a deceased friend
or loved one. Sometimes you get visited by people who
are just thinking about you strongly. But it's where your
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loved ones visit you in a dream. They have characteristics
that are usually fairly easy to tell the difference between
a dream. You know, dreams are all crazy and stuff
and you don't remember much of them, whereas a visitation,
they're super clear and they stick with you, you don't
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forget them, and you feel like you've actually seen this person.
So I think most of us have some personal experiences
with that. I invite anybody who's on in the comments
to share your story if you want as well. So
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who wants to get it started? Or I can start?
You start, all right, I'll start Phil.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, No, I was gonna say I'll start it off.
I mean I had I've had an experience. You were
talking about everybody, you know, all of us here kind
of having an experience. I don't know if it was
a don't believe it's a dream state, but I've shared
many many times before my grandmother. I was in Florida
when she passed away here in Kansas, and I woke
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up and she was at the foot of my bed,
you know. And I've been talking back and forth my
family the prior evening. So you might say it's a
dream state. I don't know. And in full transparency, I mean,
I've done no research on this, you know. This is
just a spread for the moment saying hey, I asked Mark, Hey,
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what's going on? You know, and I'll jump on with
you or whatever. But the next morning, the petty officer
that was kind of over the barracks or whatever, came
to my door. It was like six in the morning,
and he knocked on the door, you know, told me said, hey,
you know last corporate night, he said, I have some news.
I said, I know. My grandmother's passed away, but it's
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like she stopped off on her way, you know, and
told me goodbye. You know. So that's where I'll start
off at. I'll let you roll with it from there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
All right, that's a really interesting story if you all
are interested. Phil told that story and its entirety over
on the Monstrous Arkansas page, Isn't that right? On YouTube
with Robert Prevo. He did a Halloween special this last Halloween.
Go back to October and listen to that. Phil has
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a lot of great stories on there, and he tells
my favorite, the one about the grinning creature that got
him in the bathtub. So that that whole podcast, that
Halloween specials pretty awesome. So go check it out if
you just want to hear.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Some It is.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
A good one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
All right. Well, I've got a couple recent ones, very
recent that spurred this this episode. So a couple of
weeks ago it started out. I had a dream where
my mother and my two aunts and I were on
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a road trip in a really crappy car. And I
remember this car from when I was a kid. It
was a brown AMC Hornet and it had only gotten
worse over the years. In my dream, parts of it
were falling off as we went down the road, and
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my aunt kept patting me on the shoulder said it's
going to be all right, We'll make it. And we
drove up my grandparents old street, where I spent many years,
you know, hanging out with the neighbors, had little friends
on that street. And we pulled up in front of
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my grandparents' old house and my mom said, let's go
in and look around, and so you know, I don't
know who lives there now. We just walked in and
aram and we kept finding things that were there, you know,
when I was a kid, or the mom was a kid,
and she'd show him to and I remember she was
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her thrilled when she her dog, Eric's blue and white
rubber ball all cracked and nasty, had a bell in it,
a hole in it, you know, just an old dog toy. Uh.
It was just when I woke up, I really felt refreshed.
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I had really spent time and had a good time.
And then not a few days later, I had a
dream where I was in a convenience store and it
was just one of those weird dreams, you know how
they start out. And I'm standing in line at this
convenience store and all of a sudden, the whole thing
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changes and I look over and my brother is standing
there in line, and I look at him, and he
looks at me, and I said, well, how'd you get here?
He goes, you know, I don't know. I was on
my way to work and here I am, But how
are you doing? And we gave each other a big
old hug and talked for a minute, and then you know,
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I woke up and it's the clearest thing. I mean,
I could smell him. I could smell his cologne. So
that got me thinking about it. You know what, that'd
be a good thing to talk about on the show.
And so here we are.
Speaker 7 (09:12):
That's really interesting because, like you said, it's not disjointed.
You know, it's not like a dream dream where things
aren't right or you know, weird things are showing up.
It was that visceral. It was that you know, had
all those senses involved.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So what I also like about it is a lot
of people when they dream. I mean I have vivid
when I the dreams that I remember, but they're vivid,
you know, they they incorporate all the senses. Not everybody
can can touch or smell or see color. You know.
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My cousin dreams in black and white. So to me,
that's something when when especially when it comes to a
loved one, you know, that's passed on or whatever. To me,
that that vividness of the dream is something. I mean,
I think there may be something there.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I really, I really felt it. If I'm having
trouble is kind of you know, tearing me up a
little bit talking about it. But it was pretty amazing.
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And I really felt good about both of these encounters
because everybody in them was gone, but I felt all
right after that. It's like, you know, everything's good, it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
So but an interesting point, I think you mentioned this
mark when we were talking about it before. Didn't you
say something to the fact that he has said that
he was on his way to work and when he
had passed, he had just gone to work or something.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He just walked in and sat down and he passed
away right there, and so just that's part of what
made it. Yeah, I don't know. I was on my
way to work and here I am. So yeah, it's
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still tearing me up pretty good. But I felt like
it was something that probably people needed to discuss because
it happens quite a bit. Yes, you found some statistics, Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I sure did. Let me pull them back up again. Yeah,
in my hunt, because I actually went and hunted up
some light you know, people's dreams and stuff that they'd
had on their own, and I found an article that
was super interesting. This is from twenty twenty three. So
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the survey was conducted March twenty seventh through April second,
twenty twenty three, among five thousand and seventy nine adults,
and they tried to include as many religious backgrounds, atheists
and everything, tried to get them all shoved in there
so you could kind of get a good overview. And
they found out that about half of us adults, about
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fifty three percent, say they've either been visited by a
dead family member in a dream or in some other form,
and substantial share say they've had interactions with dead relatives
in just the last twelve months, so before twenty twenty three,
but I would assume that it's probably the same now.
I can't imagine it's changed a lot in just a
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couple of years. Thirty four percent have felt the presence
of a dead relative, twenty eight percent have told a
dead relative about their life, and fifteen percent have had
a dead family member communicate with them. In total, forty
four percent of Americans report having at least one of
these three experiences in just the previous year. So it's
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absolutely a high amount. I would think that was probably
just a little bit higher. I kind of make it
akin to like, you know, Brian Tarrell's you know how
many people report bigfoots one out of ten, So you know,
really how many people report or would talk about the
fact that they've seen a dead relative and a dream
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or you know.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Right, I mean because people and it's not so bad now,
but people would look at you funny, Oh yeah, give
you the stinky like you're a little bit special. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I will say, one of the one of the
most interesting things that I saw there. I'm not a
highly religious person or anything like that, but I thought
it was super interesting that among the atheists, they actually
had the higher levels of reports.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
That is interesting. I wonder why I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Them.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
They needed to wise up the other relatives.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
All the relatives are coming back and saying, well, regardless
of you know, I mean, across all religions, whatever you
believe in or whatever. Maybe maybe they're just all coming
back saying, hey, there is something over here. You'll get
to see it soon. So maybe that's what that is.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Maybe I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Know this isn't a subject, but if you look at
near death experiences, yeah, and it runs that gambit. You know,
the atheist Christians, the Muslims, you name it. There's so
many similarities in the in in the experiences these people
have that really makes you question, hey, you know there
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is something there. I mean, I I my faith and
I truly believe there is there's something there, and it's
up to you to find out. Really, you know, I mean,
because one way or another, we're all going to find
out one day.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Death and taxes from absolutely well. We had the show
a while back about uh, hospice nurse reports and stuff,
and so you know, people when they're getting close to going,
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they they see them, they're not dreaming they're seeing them
right there in the room, you're sitting there with them. Uh.
And when that happens, you know, it's only going to
be twenty four to forty eight hours usually, so maybe
a little longer, maybe a little less.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
So you know, I think that was at uptil like
two weeks before.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
It might have been.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's been too long. Phil just saying, getting too busy
with your farm and everything.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I keep forgetting about us. I haven't forgot, trust me.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Chris said she saw that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean, oh wow.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Was he was talking talking to family members there and
people he he knew.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
So it's really a sense of you know, comfort, honestly,
to know that there's somebody, there's going to be somebody
waiting on us, you know, family in front.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, I mean absolutely, And you know, those messages
from the other side, I really think, I really think
that they're a positive thing for most people really do.
In fact, Google says that visitation dreams, where a deceased
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person appear in a dream, are common and often interpreted
interpret can't talk, pardon me. Interpreted as a form of
communication or spiritual connection, They can provide a sense of relief,
closure and guidance for the dreamer, while skeptics can see
them as just a symbolic or manifestation of grief processing. So,
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I mean, whatever your view, most people consider it a
positive experience.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Yeah, I have a fun story, excuse me. So growing up,
I had a friend that you know, we're from a
small town, so a lot of the people that we
went to school with here through kindergarten on through high school.
And this this guy, his name is Chris, and he
was one of those people.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
And he passed away not.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Too long after high school, and he was we were
really good friends. And I want to say it was
about two thousand and eight, somewhere in there. I was
trying to make a decision whether I wanted to continue
with my career corporate career, or if I wanted to
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really get into art and pursue something more along those lines.
And when I was really starting to think about this hard,
I had dream I dreamt of him like two or
three different times, and every time he was smiling, you know,
and not talking, but smiling, and he kept showing me
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a picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. And I couldn't make
that connection because you know, we had never talked about
New York or you know, anything like that, anything to
do with the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
And I wasn't getting.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
What he meant by that, and it stopped, you know,
those three times, but it always stuck in the back
of my head. I needed, for some reason to find
this picture of the Brooklyn Bridge. And I looked and looked,
and like it was like three years later when I
finally we were actually in the store looking at puzzles
of all things, and I saw a puzzle and it
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was the Brooklyn Bridge. And I was like, oh my god,
that's the exact picture that he showed me. So and
I pulled it out to show you guys, because I've
kept it all these years.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
There's the puzzle, okay.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
And so I went ahead and not knowing why I
needed this puzzle, but I did. And on the back
of it, it's got a little spiel about the Brooklyn
Bridge on it talks about it being a symbol of
greatness of New York and the American ingenuity, and it
goes on down here we get to where it's important
to this conversation.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Let's see, okay, a.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Promenade for pedestrians and vehicles and a genius work of art,
which continues to inspire writers, artists, and common Americans across
its searched portals or view it from afar. So when
I saw that, I was like, he's telling me, you know,
I need to pursue art. I really need to go
for it. And that was my catalyst to get out
of corporate America.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
So I did it.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
I took the plunge and that we went back. Oh
kind of cool, much happier, Holy cow, much much. But no,
I've always kept that I always will never saw him again.
But he you know, he sent me this, and it's
so cool because it was this picture with that exact
you know, pink colors, purples.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
In the skies, everything the same. It was the picture though.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was cool. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. So I mean,
does anybody else have any stories who's in our in
the in the comments, it doesn't look like I can
tell mine. I'll go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I have a few. So I was kind of telling
them a little bit backstage, but I'll tell them again.
So I've had two visits from my grandmother on my
mother's side. We were really close when she was alive.
She passed when I was in high school. She had
bone cancer that snuck up really fast. We didn't realize
that she had it, thankfully, so she didn't you know,
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it wasn't a long illness. She went pretty fast, but
she actually the first dream visit I got from her
was shortly after I had married my husband, and in
the dream, I woke up in bed and sat up,
and she walked into my bedroom, just walked through the
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door like she was right there, and uh, I was like,
oh my goodness, what are you doing here? And she
just smiled really big at me, and she put her
finger up to her mouth, and in my head, it
wasn't you need to be quiet? She was telling me
that she couldn't talk to me, but she just nodded
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her head a lot, and I just felt inclined just
to tell her everything that had been going on, and
she just smiled really big and nodded her head, and
after a little while she kind of shook her head again,
like I need to scram and I you know, I
told her I love you so much and I miss you,
and she nodded her head at me and just walked
back out again. And it was like Mark said, you
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feel fantastic when you wake up from that, you're like, oh,
that's awesome. And then I got one more visitation from her.
It had been several years later. I'd actually moved into
a new house and she did the exact same thing.
I just kind of woke up and set up in
bed in my dream, and she just walked right back
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in again. And the oddity this time was that, for
some reason in my head, I thought there was some
kind of an emergency going on. I thought something was wrong,
and he asked her. I was like, Grandma, what's wrong,
what's wrong? And she just shook her head at me, like,
you silly, there's nothing wrong, and she just smiled at
me and put her finger back up again, like I
can't talk. So I just told her what was going on,
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and she nodded her head a lot and smiled really big,
and she gave me the look again, and I was like,
you gotta go, and she was like and she shook
her head yes, and waved really big to me and
just walked right back out again. Fell back asleep, and
woke up feeling fantastic. She couldn't ever like come past
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the end of the bed, like there was some kind
of a barrier there, which I don't understand. I got
the feeling that I couldn't go to her and she
couldn't come to me. But it was really it was
really nice. My grandma has has this thing she does
with our family. She always wanted to travel and she
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never really got the chance to. My grandfather worked for
Phillips and he kind of got to go all over
the world because he was a soils engineer. I mean,
he got to go at work on the Alaska Pipeline
and he's been overseas to like crazy places like Indonesia
and stuff like that. And she was never able to go.
And she always told all of us that she was
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going to go see the world when she died. And
I think that old lady did it because it started
off with my aunt. My aunt was living up in
Lenexa and she started finding being foreign coins in the
seat of her car. She would get in her car
and there'd be like change from a couple different places
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like Chinese yin and and she started realizing, because you know,
the doors are locked, nobody's like throwing foreign coins in there.
And she finally realized that it was probably Grandma finally
getting to travel.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
So that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I think that's probably why she's only visited twice, because
that busy, that lady's busy, she's doing some.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Place to go.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Absolutely, I mean I think you may have answered my question.
I'm just thinking, do you think these visitations are before
or after they cross over? You know? But but you're
talking about being a barrier or something like at the
foot of the bed or whatever, because my grandma she
was at the foot of the bed too, and I
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kind of wonder if it's after they've crossed over, just
coming back kind of check on this. I don't know.
I mean, I don't really know. That's just kind of
my thought process on it.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
There's so many stories that are both ways.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Honestly, you know, I think they can probably come back
in and out. I think if they're visiting you and
they haven't crossed over yet, you're probably getting more of
a ghost type of situation rather than like a dream visitation.
Oh that's just my opinion. I don't know, you know,
we don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I'm going to have my ashes sent to the capital
of every country in the world, the world domination, the.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Entire world, one million dollars.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
I have a story.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
It's pretty wild. So my friend Janey. She was very
ill for quite a while before she passed, and at
one point she was in a coma and she had
always told me, you know, we're really good friends. And
she had always told me, you know, if I died
before you do, I'm going to come back and let
you know, you know kind of thing. And so, you know,
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I wasn't thinking anything of it because she hadn't passed.
She was she but she was in a coma and
in the middle of the night, I heard her yell
my name. She always called me Pammy, and I heard
Pammy right in my ear. Scared me, scared me awake.
I sat up in bed, freaked out, freaked my husband
at the time out, you know, he was like, what's happening,
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What's happened? And I was like, Janey just yelled in
my ear, and he's like, what did she say? And
I said, she said my name, and he was like,
she's ore. Do you think something happened to her? I said,
I don't know, it's just like she was trying to
get my attention. So I got ahold of her daughter
the next day and she's like, no, she's she's in
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she's she hasn't woke up, yet she's in a coma.
She's okay, you know, she's you know, her vitals are fine.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
I was like, okay, Well I heard her call my
name and she's like that's crazy. Well then like two
weeks later, I get a phone call and it's her
daughter and she's at the hospital and she's like, hey, mom,
woke up. She wants to tell you how And I
was like, oh, that's so awesome, you know. So I
was like, hey, you know, so we're talking for just
a second. She was really weak, and I said I
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have a question, and she said it was me and
I was like, what do you mean it was you?
And she said I yelled at you and you heard me.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
It was me.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
And I was like, that's so stinking cool, you know.
And then it was probably. I went down and saw
her a couple of times in the hospital, and then
she ended up back in a coma in a really
bad way, and I had another dream of her, and
she looked great. She had done she had her makeup
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done up. She looked beautiful, and she's sitting on a
bed in a room and I'm in the hallway and
so where I'm at I'm looking in the room talking
to her, and so she you know, she's laughing and
carrying on, and she just looks beautiful, you know, and
she says something, and she says, isn't that right, Dave?
And so where I'm at I turned to look in
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this other room and her husband is setting in this
other room on a bed. He had passed away a
couple of years prior to this, and I was like, Wow,
what's Dave doing here?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know?
Speaker 7 (29:27):
So I thought it was really cool that I was
talking back and forth. And so when I woke up,
I was super happy because, you know, I got to
see Jane. He got to tell Dave high and everything.
And I was like, I don't know what it means,
but it's really cool. And so I'm telling again my
husband at the time. I'm telling him about this, and
you know, I'm super excited, and he's just looking at
me like he has this really funny look on his face.
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And I was like, Oh, she's she's going to pass
away soon, isn't she. And he was like, and it
sounds like it, you know.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Was his thinking.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And it kind of made sense when we got to
thinking about it, because I was in a hallway, you know,
and I could see her in a room and she
was close to day if she could talk to him,
but they were separated, you know, rooms that I was
out in the hall and could see both. But it
was really wild and it was just a few weeks
later that she did pass. But I thought it was
cool I got to talk to.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Him when last time.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, pretty neat. And you know, people talking to people
in their dreams who aren't gone is actually fairly common
as well.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
I can still hear her, hear her scream my name
because she scared the Jesus out of me.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Well, that happened with us. Remember you and I did
that once, Pam, We did. Yeah, she and I can't
remember what it was for. She had to go into
the hospital for some kind of a little surgery or
something like that on my leg. Didn't tell anybody, Yeah,
and her mom didn't know. She hadn't told anybody. And
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her mother texted me at like midnight one night to
let me know that Pam was okay and she'd come
through the surgery okay or something like that. And I
didn't get it until like two in the morning because
I didn't wake up when it first came through I
woke up and needed to use the bathroom and grab
my phone on the way and the notification came on
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and all I could see was Pam's in the hospital
or whatever, and I was like what And I texted
her mom back and she goes, She's fine, she's out,
and I was like, I yelled at her. I went Pam, like,
you know, how could you not tell anybody? And she
told she I called her the next day and she
was like, was that you that yelled at me In
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the middle of the night. I woke up because I
heard somebody scream Pam, and I was like, that was
probably me. I was mad because you did that and
didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
She was interesting because you know, I have audience. I
can I can hear. It's clear hearing is what it means,
and it's not always turned on, but it's it's I mean,
I could see that it would be turned on more
when I'm asleep, but not intentionally. You know that it
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would be easier to access when I was asleep. That's
pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
That tells me. There's that tells me there's an emotional connection,
and that's what seemingly you know what I mean, The
loved ones visiting, even the living, you know, visiting. I
think there's I mean that I think that's part of
is the emotional connection of those people. Have. Have you
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guys ever listened to the Telepathy Tapes. It's a podcast
called the Telepathy Tapes.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, are you familiar with that?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I have. It sounds like something I need.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
To I've told them about it, but yeah, they need.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
To about nonverbal autistic children, you know, I mean all
the way up, I think even teenagers and all that,
and how they communicate, they communicate around the world.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Mhm.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
They meet on the hill with.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Other nonverbal autistic kids and they meeted a place they.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Called the Hill, and it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's crazy. Yeah, and this lady, the host, is trying
to get it scientifically approved. I guess you know that tested,
you know, per science that they're really doing this. Yeah's
running tests that are like no way to spoof it.
You know. They're like having a kid in the other
room away from their parents or their mom. Usually it's
(33:45):
usually the mother there strong their strongest bond is Yeah,
and it's crazy, but I mean this it fits so
well though. I mean it's maybe not a dream state,
but is it because these kids are nonverbal, you know,
they communicate with I can't remember what they call it,
like a letter pad or something like that. They learn
(34:05):
how to type out their sentences and things like that,
but they're really nonverbal. They may be able to say
a few words or letters or something like that. But
this all we've talked about to see if it reminds
me of that, because these kids are using telepathy and
they're trying to figure out, Okay, how are they doing this?
(34:26):
And I don't know if they'll ever figure it out,
but it's the way I think the brain is.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
The brain is a very powerful organ and.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
It's really wild with these kids too, because a couple
of them didn't even realize they had a body until
they started communicating this way, and didn't you know, they
didn't understand and that's why they were all over the
place because they didn't even realize they had arms, you know,
and they're flapping them all the time and whatever.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
And they learned.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
They are learning how to can troll their self better
bodily by by all of this, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
What I found interesting is how they're going to this hill,
you know, this place they all meet and they're learning
things that they've never been taught, you know, out in
the physical world, you know, in school or you know,
because a lot of the schools and stuff. Well, these
guys they don't have a chance. I mean, they're they're autistic,
(35:30):
they're they don't have a chance to function in real
world and real society. And these kids are learning things
that these people never imagine they can learn. But they
are like and a lot of autistic you know, are
like savants and things like that. But even these kids
that are so far gone compared to our social norms,
(35:53):
you know, are learning things beyond even normal people like us,
you know. So, I mean, and it's it's it's crazy.
It's a good show.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
It is, it's worth a watch.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Who says that normal is necessarily a good thing?
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I tried to be normal for a while. It was
the worst five minutes of my life.
Speaker 7 (36:18):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
It's actually the first twenty years of my life. It
was terrible.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
But you know, I mean societal norms. I mean, it's
it's programming. Yeah, I mean, my wife and I were
talking about that the other day. It's programming. You're expecting
to program, You're expected to m hm. We do, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
And we teach them to ignore stuff like what we
talk about on this show mhm, whether we want to or.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Not, right, and and a lot I think a lot
of it is also you're well meaning behind it, trying
not to scare them or something like that, and you
condition them out of that. I really do.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, We've discussed it many times, and I think that's
exactly what happens. I think that's exactly why young children
and animals are more sensitive to the quote unquote paranormal.
I don't think it's para normal. I think it's just normal,
and we learn to ignore it.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, I would agree. You know, we had to put
our bulldog down last week to the the vet, you know,
because he got hit by a car with the knuckle
ahead he you know, he loves you know. I mean,
I'm not gonna go real far into it, but he
(37:48):
was my dog. I mean I was like, but anyway,
after his X rays and all that, and that was
like his best option because he was ate up with
all or not with Alzheimer's, but arthritis from like the
middle of his back all the way back to his
hind feet and he had a I mean, he had
some damage, internal bleeding and stuff like that. You know.
(38:11):
They took him back into the room and I went
back in. I was waiting for my wife to come down.
And he still try to wag his you know, little nub.
But I think, you know, just the sense I got
from him was he knew that he was. I don't
think he would have lasted another day anyway. Yeah, but
I didn't want him suffering and all that. But I
(38:34):
think you know you're talking about animals being open to that.
Absolutely they are. I've seen it too many times, yep.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But because nobody's told them that they can't.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Right, good point.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It is, and that's what we do to our kids.
Oh no, you're just imagining things right, And I'm guilty
of it.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I've tried to if my kids say something off the wall.
I mean my old my son, you know, my youngest son.
He's always had a really active imagination, you know. I
mean I would say above the norm, you know, and
it's not a bad thing. And I'm not poking fun
(39:25):
at it. I mean, I think that's brilliant, just being
the creative that he is. You know, when he was young,
little you know, he's like I used to live in
New York, and I'm like, whoa, let's talk about this,
you know. And so I've never tried to steer them
away from that because I want to encourage it. Yeah,
(39:48):
encourage him to be open and see where it goes,
you know. And my daughter's kind of the same way.
It means, you don't like coming upstairs at night, and
she's like, I see something in the bedroom when I
see a big eye in the in the in the
bedroom window, like store, you know you're on the second story.
I mean, what are you in my thought process? You know,
(40:10):
I'm like, what are you seeing? You know? And she's like,
it's just scary. I said, okay, let's let's explain it.
So well I can't. It's just a big eye, okay,
you know, you know, And I try to ask the
information to get the information, you know, some things to
mean it could be a kid's imagination, but just no
(40:30):
holes barred, you know. But other things, I'm like, Okay,
what are you open to? What do you what are
you messing with or are you messing with something? Are
you touching on something that maybe needs more conversation about,
you know, So that that that's what I'm trying to do.
With my younger kids. But I know for a fact,
you know my older boys that I was like, no,
(40:51):
I don't worry about that, you know. I mean, this
just the standard, Okay. I don't want you to be
scared of the dark, So I'm gonna tell I'm gonna
talk you down, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, And I think some of us are talking ourselves
down too because we don't we don't want to think
that there's something there to scare our kids. So if
we talk it away, we're saving the both of us.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
I took my oldest he was deathly afraid of the
dark when he was real little, and I got a
it was it was grape sentate, of all things. I
don't know why I remember that, but I got a
rooms an air freshener that was grape scentate that he liked,
and I made a a cover for the can and
(41:38):
it said monster spray, so you know, when he would
be like, you know, there's this scary in here or whatever,
we would spray monster spray and that helped. But he
still was not a fan, so I don't know what
he was saying. I wish I would have encouraged you
more to talk about it as opposed to trying to
chase it away.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Well, we're taught as children to be parents who talk
our kids down from stuff like that. You know, I
was fortunate my mom was fairly open minded about stuff
like that. We talked about, you know, we had long
drawn out conversations about stuff like that, a lot of speculation. Actually,
(42:20):
she would have been great on the show, you know,
back back in the day. She she was my inspiration
to get into a lot of this stuff. But most
people's parents aren't aren't quite so open with stuff like that. Now,
(42:47):
granted I was told I had and I did, I
had a very vivid imagination, But how much of that
was really my imagination? How much did I just get
taught to see?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, right, That's all I was going to ask, you know,
is I mean, like like my son. I mean, he's
got an extremely vivid imagination. You know, he getting a
little bit older, you know, and I hear him telling
his sister, you know, it's no big deal or whatever.
I've tried not to talk him down or whatever if
he's got ideas and thoughts. So part of me thinks
(43:25):
that some of this just happens naturally, you know, he
might tell his teacher or something like that. Also, you know.
I mean, I'm just trying to put things together, you know,
And it's not just us, but I think as parents,
I think it's more important to be open with them,
(43:47):
you know, and maybe not let the belief system rule
one hundred percent. Still question exactly, you know, because it
doesn't matter what your belief system is. It's all belief systems,
(44:08):
maybe aside from atheism. In reality, that's still a belief system. Yeah,
but all belief systems lead you to a spiritual realm,
you know. So I don't believe it matters what belief
system you have.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I think if you temper that with the real world
and even look through your belief system, but if you
look through that in the real world, tempered that with
your belief system, I think you're going to wind up
on the spiritual side, in a spiritual world and understanding
(44:52):
of it. I don't I'm trying to put my thoughts together.
I don't know if it came out right, but that's
kind of you know, where I'm at.
Speaker 8 (45:01):
So yeah, yeah, that's how most people view stuff like
this is through whatever belief system.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
And then as I've gotten older, I've found myself becoming
more and more capable of looking around the corners, as
it were, to try to see what's really going on,
which is kind of why I got into what I've
(45:35):
gotten into. And I still find myself being fairly skeptical,
but there's been so much stuff that I've run into
in the last thirteen years now that I just can't
explain any other way.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
Yeah, and I think when it comes to like our group,
like the friends that we hang out with, I really
think that we have gone and are currently undergoing like
a rebirth, as crazy as that sounds, because we're all
just kind of we're, yeah, we're deprogramming. We were waking
(46:15):
up to all of this, and we've said it a
thousand times before, you know, twelve ten, twelve years ago,
when we first started this group, we never touched you know,
Bigfoot and parallel universes and.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
That was it, and we weren't even that deep on
ghosts when you really think about it. We were just like,
there's an entity and we want to see if we
can get it to interact with us. And that's about
as far as that went, So it's like trying to
like re redo yourself, like crack down that wall and
(46:55):
rebuild it, you know, the correct way is what we're
in the middle of doing right now.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
So yeah, just trying to be more open. Yeah, And
I really think that's probably what led to me accepting
my visits a couple of weeks ago as being visits.
They just felt like visits. And I don't know if
(47:25):
the past me would have been as open to it
as the current me.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
So I think if you're listening, Enzo said, I think
the appearances of all of those oddities is getting too
large to ignore.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Well I also think that's because of I mean, the
paranormal and cryptids and all this other stuff has become
really big and popular media in social media and stuff
here in just the last ten to fifteen years. And
I think it's kind of like what we've talked about before.
If you talk about it and if it's in the
you know, in the conscious, in the hive mind, I
(48:06):
think they start popping out. You know, if you look
at it, it looks back at you. That kind of
a situation. Yeah, I think so many more of us
are starting to really look into this and believe some
stuff and realize there's more to life than you know.
Go into work and.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
It's like going through life and blinders on and we're
removing those don't look, don't look, don't look.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Now, I kind of wonder. You know, we've talked about
talking about our kids, right, I kind of wonder, you know,
like like for us, you know people, we mean, obviously
it's more common all of us, I think, have had
a lifetime of experiences just sharing our stories and talking
(48:56):
with each other. And Enzo, you're right, once you see it,
you can unsee it. And Sylvain, you know, more people
are expanding their horizons they are. I agree with that,
but and I think Jess, you're onto something with social
media and all that. But I guess my question is
does it come down to a maturity level as well?
(49:19):
You know, you become I mean, obviously the older you get,
the more rational I think you become. You know, you're
not so apt most people. You're not so apt to
go off half cocked, you know, you know, but you
kind of look look at things logically, you know, you
(49:45):
try to break down the common denominator and you kind
of leave what doesn't break down and you question that
and you question where did that come from? Or what
is that? Or or what's on the other side, you know,
or something along that line. You guys, you guys, Are
(50:05):
you guys getting what I'm talking about?
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know, you question what's not common according to societal norms?
You know, if that makes sense? Maybe I'm just rambling.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yeah, or are we to say anything about getting off
in the weeds although we stayed pretty much on target today.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
I'm proud of us.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
We have proud of us. Yeah. Since Christy could not
be here last time, I really would like to get
her on talk about some of this. Do we want
to have a part too this show?
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (50:46):
I think we should because I would love to hear
her side of this, like her thoughts on it. Yeah,
And I almost want to kind of save some of
our personal stories for that show because I know that
she can get us a little bit of insight into
our own personal stories too, which is like super exciting.
(51:06):
I don't know about you, guys, but it's super exciting
for me to hear just a little bit of what
of her insight on the matter. And I know she
has crazy stories not just her own, but you know
other ones that she's encountered. She encounters it every day,
so she'd be really exciting.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
What I think what in honesty, I think Christie's advantage
in this aspect is She's blind.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
Yeah senses yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
A lot of people don't realize that we've had her
on shows before and they had no idea. Yeah, Christie's blind.
I know that she can see some light and a
few colors, but it's it's just about gone. And she's
always She's almost always been that way, So yeah, I
would I would assume that if you lose something like that,
(52:04):
that everything else is really gonna your senses are going
to be heightened in other areas.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
I don't care about her eyes. I think she sees
way more than I do.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
For sure she does.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
So she's an awesome person though she is.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yes, she was really sad she couldn't be on, but
but she did have commitments.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
So yeah, she had a client she had forgotten about.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
So I will contact her and see when she can
get on with us. Maybe if we can't do it
the next show, then maybe we can do it the
show after and have a part two to this.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
That'd be cool.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So, yeah, I think I think it would be Hoovis
because I guess you're right. I think her insights into
this would be Yeah, it would be illuminating.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Yeah, I really want to. I have I have a
couple of stories about I want to say, like former
loved ones they're not my loved ones anymore, that have
visited me in dreams very recently, one of which has
comes back two or three times a year that I
don't want around at all, And I wanted to kind
(53:17):
of see if she had like some advice.
Speaker 7 (53:20):
You need the monster spray I do.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
Yeah, I have an ex fiance and a family member
that just will not leave me alone. They just keep
coming back and causing havoc.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
So just because you're so awesome they can't Is it because.
Speaker 7 (53:44):
Your light shines so brightly?
Speaker 3 (53:46):
See?
Speaker 4 (53:47):
Well they need to kick yeah rocks, kick rocks.
Speaker 6 (53:58):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
All right, Well, I don't have a lot more for
tonight if we're going to do a part two with Christy,
because we don't want to waste all of our all
of our stories. I've got a couple of stories that
I can save. I do want to talk to you
about my two recent ones. But yeah, if you guys
(54:23):
don't have a whole lot, we'll call it a night
and see if we can't get Christy on to finish up.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
You know what, let's let we got like, let's finish
out the hour. I got a whole bunch of stories offline,
and I found some really interesting ones that like had
an outcome to them. So I've picked I've picked two
out of the whole bunch that I found to tell.
(54:53):
One is crazy and one is kind of uplifting. So
I'm going to tell the two of those and we
can just like leave out on those.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
How that sound that sounds like a good idea?
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Yeah, Okay. The first one I found was just amazing,
and I went and double checked some stuff, and I
think it's absolutely true. I did some sleuthing and found
the original author of it and went kind of checked
into their details. So it says after my sister's passing,
(55:23):
I had a dream that she was angry and appeared
as an angel dressed in red. A man who had
abused us both as children was in prison at that time,
and in the dream I saw her hover above him
in his cell as he trembled in fear. I watched
as she reached her hand into his chest and squeezed
(55:45):
his heart. It was such a real felling dream. I
found out a little while later that that man had
died in prison from a ruptured aorda. She always said
that she was going to make him pay, and I
do think it was his fault. She had become involved
in drug and alcohol misuse before her untimely death.
Speaker 6 (56:11):
Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (56:14):
Yeah, holy cow, if it's true. Wow, don't piss off
that sister, No Joe. Yeah. And the second one I found,
I thought it was super interesting. So it said this
was in a chat room. I think this was on Reddit.
I believe it said I realized my father wasn't supposed
(56:39):
to be here in a dream, and I was arguing
with him and suddenly realized, wait, Dad, you're dead and
I know I'm dreaming, and I ran towards him and
I hugged him as hard as I could. He actually
responded like he was shocked that I recognized that I
was dreaming. Everything stood still and became very lucid. I
(57:02):
asked him if I could go with him, and he said, sure, kid,
meet me at Winton Street. I have no idea where
that came from, but I looked for relevant addresses for months,
hoping I could find him. It'll be two years next month.
And then after that I was reading along and in
the comments, somebody said, hey, are you in Texas, because
(57:24):
there's a Winton Street in Texas, it's the only Winton
Street in the US. And underneath of it, this person
came back and said, I'm in the Midwest. But I
literally just found out that my dad once owned a
home in Texas way before.
Speaker 3 (57:41):
I was born.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
That might have been it. That's so like the resolve
came out in the comments, like it worked itself out eventually.
I think she found out that he grew up on
Winton Street, so and she would know she never knew,
you know, you lived there before, long before she was
ever born.
Speaker 7 (58:02):
So that's interesting too that it was. It was a
long time afterwards, because like the deal with the puzzle,
it was a good three years before I located the picture,
But it had the meaning that I needed at that
time that I needed it when I found it, pretty
cool cool.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, I've got lots more stories like that, so
when we have Christy back on, we can hit some
of them.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Sweet, right, I think that is fantastic well, I hope
that everybody in the chat and watching us live enjoyed
the show. Those of you who are listening online, we
will have a part two of this Look for Dream
(58:50):
Visitation Part two in the next few weeks, I hope.
And with that said, I I think it's time to
say good night. Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, good
night everybody.
Speaker 6 (59:07):
Good night.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
I have a good one. Mm hmmm mm hmmm mm
hmmmm
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Mm hm h m hmmmmmm
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