Famous Haunted Cemeteries across the U.S. (Possibly a Part One)

Mark, Pam, and Jess

Famous Haunted Cemeteries across the U.S. (Possibly a Part One)


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:28):
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A barbershop trio.

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Yeah, there you go, there you go.

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(02:11):
Now on with the show. All right, Well, tonight's episode
is kind of broad. We're going to talk about famous
haunted cemeteries across the US. Now, I realize going into
this that there are an awful lot of haunted cemeteries,
and even just covering the most famous ones is like

(02:34):
a two or three page Google list. I mean it's
there's not just a few. We're going to cover some
of the top ones, and as it is, we probably
will end up doing at least another show if I'm

(02:54):
guessing right. Oh, I could be wrong. We could just
fly through these, but I really highly doubt it. With
this crew, we could probably just cover the haunted cemeteries
within a fifty mile radius of our location and have
a couple shows. Honestly, we could probably have. We could

(03:15):
probably start a new podcast just about haunted cemeteries and
have years worth of of fodder.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Thirty two. Thirty two is the number of haunted cemeteries
just inside the state of Kansas that we know of.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
See, there we go. We could we could make a
whole nother podcast just devoted to haunted cemeteries.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yes, that's crazy, but we're not gonna do that because
if Pam gets another podcast, her head is gonna explode.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
It will.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, there's not enough duct taken duct takes. There's not
enough duct tape in the world to hold that together.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
No, no, not.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
We're not giving Pam another podcast.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Thank you. Yes, it's putting your foot down.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yes, the foot is coming down. No more podcast for Pam.
No more podcast, Pam. That should be your name.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Podcast podcast, Pam. I want to I'm going to change
your ear.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Oh you know what, do not min So I miss
the majority of the board meetings at the library now
because I have podcasts on Tuesday night. So that is
now my name, Pam. I have a podcast.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Ernest, Well, while we're sitting here, you should tell everybody
at home all your podcasts. So then catch you on
your other stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Oh okay, so we have on the fringe this one
Yaya on Tuesday nights, I have a Muck Paranormal podcast
which is Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Kansas. And then on
Wednesday nights we have Border Towns Strange on one Wednesday
with Jess a lot of times Mark And then on

(05:03):
the opposite Wednesday nights, I have In other Words podcast,
which is a podcast that I was only supposed to
produce but then I ended up being a part of
with some other writer friends, and we do a lot
of interviews of creatives and authors and things like that.
Just has been on that one actually.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I have, Yes, yes, and I've been on a mook.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yes, you have. We've been on all of them.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
In says, your name should be pam cast.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Welcome another.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Maybe I should just make a network and call it
Pamcast maybe.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean we've been talking about maybe doing a U
a channel on Roku.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
I mean, well, we know five podcasts we could do.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, we can get a lot of people on there.
Julie says, what was that last one called It's.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
In other Words podcast? And it's I'll find the link
because there's a couple of podcasts out there with that name.
We found out later.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, that's why May is what if tomorrow on the fringe,
because apparently there's a lot of people using on the fringe.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, so I can see that.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, it's one of the reasons why when we picked
border Town strange, we went with the way it was.
There was a lot of border Town stuff, and yeah,
if anybody added anything paranormal to that, it would go
to the beginning. So we were really wanting strange in there,
and so we decided to throw it after the Bordertown,

(06:50):
So Bordertown's strange rather.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Than Sorry, sorry, I was trying to grab a.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Oh that's fine, there I got the link. So I mean,
we've got a plethora to start with. Who wants to
start today? Or shall I?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Why don't you start?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Okay, well, and then.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
We'll just roll.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
The first one on my list is Lewis Cemetery number
one in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
This one is haunted by Marie Levau, the voodoo queen
of New Orleans. There's very various reports of seeing her
ghosts near her tomb, hearing whispers, and feeling sudden temperature drops.
Some say leaving offerings can summon her spirit. So that
I mean every I think everybody who's looked into cemeteries.

(07:49):
Has heard about this, SOA who hasn't. I've been there,
You have been there when it happened there.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
It is extraordinarily small, super high walls. You can't see
over the walls when you go in, although we found
out while we were there that it's a nightly ritual
for people to get in. They hop the wall somehow.
It is very spooky inside. The above ground tombs are

(08:24):
so packed in there you often can't see what's coming
around the corner. So I would imagine at night time
it would just be scary as heck, wondering if there
was something prowling down the next row. I did get
to see Marie Levo's tomb, very cool and yeah, lots
of offerings. They have to clean them out nightly to

(08:46):
keep the area clean. Yeah. More amazing than Marie Levo's
tomb though, however, was Nicholas Cage's, which I thought was fantastic.
So there is a Nicholas Cage bought a plot there
and he had a giant concrete pyramid built there.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
All right.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, it's just a gigantic pyramid in the middle of
the cemetery. I thought it was pretty hilarious. Apparently he's
supposed to be buried there when he dies, but at
the time that I went, I think they were wondering
if he was going to lose that plot because you know,
he's kind of been bankrupt lately, I think, or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, you know, you can't take it with you. No,
that's why he worked so much, is because he spends
all of his money. But that just means that there's
more good movies for us disease. I think the guy's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
I had to go pull this really quick. Let me
see if I can make it where you guys can
see it. There we go.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, that is.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
One of my great I don't know how far our
backs grandfather George Lightman, and he was buried in I
believe in that cemetery. But he's from New Orleans, not.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Like most New Orleans cemeteries. Pretty much, isn't it. I
don't think there's anything below.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Ground, no, no water table mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
H. I mean there's famous people. There's a teen de
Bour whose name I.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Just but.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
From Pleasy versus Ferguson, Oh yeah, Ernest and Dutch Morale
morel African American, first African American mayor of New Orleans.
There's Alexander and Andrea Dimitri, Marianne Celeste Dragon, who was

(11:06):
the subject of famous portrait painted by Jose Salazar. I
mean really, there's really some famous people buried in the cemetery.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
See if I can get it too, that's where vos to.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Okay, and then oh there's a pyramid. Well that's that's
that's fitting because we have pyramid Pam right here.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
That's right, Pyramid Pam.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
For those of you who haven't heard the story, uh,
we'll tell it another time.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, that's a whole show right there, the whole.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Show right there. That that's fun.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, there's lots of hamburger meat and the cat. It's
good stuff. I'm gonna leave it there, leave your begging for.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
More, dumb, dumb.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, I had a fourth place ribbon. You can't forget that.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Oh yeah, remember the fourth place RhoB Yes, words are
hard a fourth place that I am tongue tied.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
I'm so glad it's not just me.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah tonight for sure. You know, work for ten hours,
I come home, wolf down some food, wash up a
little bit, and come in here and get going. And
my brain has disconnected. From my mouth. So if you're
wondering what's wrong with me, that's one of many things,

(12:56):
is right. That's all right?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
So did you see what he input?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
I did, it says, I hope Nicholas Cage built a
massive and ancient power plant beneath his pyramid. I hope
he didn't because about a foot down below that, you're
in a hit swamp and I'm thinking a power plant
and water isn't gonna mix. So he would have electrified
all of New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
It's so bright, can be wild.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
That would be rough, that would I mean?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
And think about some of the reasons why it could be.
Hand one, Voodoo to the water table. Uh, there is
so much water in the area. And as we've discussed
before and anecdotally proven, Uh, there seems to be higher
activity where there are large amounts of water. And so

(13:58):
you've got a cemetery with famous people in a land
known for voodoo and lots and lots of water. And
if I'm not mistaken, many of those tombs are limestone. Yeah, so,
which is also associated with paranormal activity. So I mean

(14:22):
that one should come as no surprise. So, and like
I said, there's so much about all these cemetaries. We
literally could do a show about every single cemetery that
we talk about. We're just gonna try to keep it
short and sweet tonight. Although if we do run across
something that really piques your interest, do send us a

(14:47):
message on what If Tomorrow Media or the what If
Tomorrow podcast group or our email what If tomorrowpc at
gmail dot com and let us know that's something you'd
like to see a deep dive on, because you know
it's y'all show.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Too, yep, or let us know in the chats.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, let us know in the chats. I mean if
if we kind of come across something did you find
super interesting, we'll do We'll deep dive it. It'll be fun.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, that's what we do, all right.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Uh. Next, we read books and we know things.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Kind of I have, we read books.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I have, I don't have any things.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
All right, So well, I pulled up Do you guys
want to talk about Bachelor Grove?

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
That is on my list as well everybody's list.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, I would think so. If you don't know what
Bachelor's Grove is, Bachil Grove Cemetery is just west of Chicago, Illinois,
so kind of close to us within our stomping grounds
kind of. It's also the oldest one in that area,
and it's one of the most famous. If you look
up haunted cemeteries, it'll most likely be in the top ten.

(16:07):
And if you watched one of like the Discovery channels,
you know, like Haunted Cemeteries specials, it's right in there.
It has very famous photos to go along with it.
The famous Madonna came out of that cemetery. So the Madonna,
the woman in white or the white Lady they call her.
She appeared in that very first photograph I was talking

(16:29):
about in nineteen seventy nine. It was taken by local
paranormal investigators. She wears a white dress, hooded robes sometimes
and sometimes she's seen carrying a baby, and I think
that's eking over into urban legend type territory. Yeah, for sure,
claiming she's looking for her lost baby, what have you.

(16:52):
Her most famous appearance was in nineteen ninety one in
an infrared photograph in which she was seen setting on
the headstone. If you guys like paranormal whatsoever, you've seen
this picture, whether you realize it or not. Yeah, yeah,
And that one was taken by the Oaklawn Ghost Research Society,
just to give them a little shout out for their photo.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Did you show that one? Mark? Uh, do a particular picture,
because it's a good one.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I do not think I have that particular picture.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
Hang on to second grab.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Okay, well, while you guys are looking it up, I'll
go on because there's more to the cemetery than that.
So the cemetery also has dancing orbs and light shows.
It has a haunted like a ghostly deer that walks
through the center of it, miss and fog shadows that

(17:48):
dart in and out of the headstones. And then there's
also stuff happening on the outskirts of the cemetery. As
if this isn't all, you know, like confined to just
the cemetery. Harry Walls. So there's also the famous Disappearing
House or they call it the phantom House or the
magic House. Oh they're flipping through photos. So it's supposedly

(18:16):
a Victorian style home with a porch swing and a
picket fence around it. It's not there, but it will
suddenly appear, usually kind of transparent with a yellowy orange
light in the windows, and then the house will shrink away.
And disappear, especially if someone tries to approach it. So
if you're one of the lucky few who get to
see it, if you start to walk towards it, it'll

(18:38):
slowly fade out until it's completely gone. And then there's
a fun there's a fun legend that goes with it too.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
There it is.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
There's the famous photo. That's the famous white lady. And
I will say this photo has been verified. They said
it has not been tampered with whatsoever. And it's hard
to tell the way we have this set up here,
but if you look very closely at the photo up close,
you'll see that she's actually transparent. You can see through her.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
It's a really neat photo if you get a chance
to look at closely. At one and so said, but
is it a boying deer? I think not. Nothing be.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, it's going deer. Yeah. So the disappearing house. The
legend is is that if you manage to make it
to it before it disappears, it will continue to disappear
only take you with it. You'll be gone forever. How
this really works? I have no idea who went with
it but made it back to tell the tale?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
There is some truth to this. However, they did go
back and look at the area and they found out
that there was a house that sat right there, a
Victorian style one. They've never been able to find a
picture of it. That they have heard stories of people
who are around when that house was there. So, whether
there's there's any truths it or not, it's a legend

(20:08):
that's almost older than the cemetery itself.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Also got UH sightings include uh monks, ghost cars, lights
in the woods, eerie voices, and there are frequently anominalies
documented by paranormal investigators.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Yeah. No, I probably a very thin spot in the veil,
kind of place, you know, overlaps a little bit with
some other things.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I wonder sometimes these cemeteries get built places that already
have issues because nobody really wants to live there or
do anything near it. Let's just put a cemetery there.
It'll be perfect.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Maybe, yeah, it might be. So, So where we go on?
I want to I want to say something. I told
these guys this backstage. So if y'all know me at all,
you've you've heard my story about the disappearing house from
when I was a kid, and I got a chance
to talk to my oldest brother last night, and I

(21:13):
haven't had that opportunity in a very long time. And
we got to talking about that, and I was like,
we got to talking about our childhood, and I was like,
I'm just going to record this just in case I'm
going to ask him about it. He remembers that, he
even remembers more than what I remembered of the story,
and I've got it all on video now or audio

(21:35):
at least, so I'm super ye.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yes, yeah, you don't want to be in a disappearing
reappearing structure vehicle. You might not like where you would
end up.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Yeah, no joke.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
So before we move on, a couple more things about
bachel Grove because we can't stop there.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
We have at ago. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
So, the biggest haunting that happened way before the cemetery
ever had was the famous farmer and horse apparitions that
will run you down on its way to the pond,
so back in eighteen seventy and this was actually truth.
So whether hauntings come out of it or not, I'm

(22:15):
not sure. But a farmer owned that property and his
horse got spooped, took a run and dragged the farmer
with him and ended up in the pond and drowned
along with the farmer.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
And they supposedly are seen up and down that little
area there around the pond that is still there right
beside the cemetery, and has has been seen running alongside
the vehicles that are driving up the little road to
get back into there. Next there is a ghost dog

(22:52):
that guards the gates and kind of troops back and
forth like a little sentinel. And he's seen all the time. Also,
especially when you're far back away, you'll see him up
ahead and then he just kind of vanishes. And then
the famous Bachelor lights. The Bachelor lights are the same
way you have to be away from the cemetery, but

(23:13):
pointed towards them to see him. They said, it's a
fantastic light show of multicolored lights that dance and move
and go all the way around, but as soon as
you get a little too close they disappear.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
There's a story too about a man in yellow. Have
you guys heard that one?

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I have not.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah, it's a more recent one. It was like, well
it's from nineteen eighty four anyway, so I don't know
how more recent that really is. But a gentleman. His
name was Norman Basil. He wrote something in the Chicago
Sun Times, and for a quote, it was he said,
a month and a half ago, I saw an apparition

(23:56):
standing by a tree. It was a yellow figure, a
man with a hat in his forties. And he added
that he took a picture on the thousand speed film,
but there's there was no photograph attached with it, so
we didn't really see it at You know, I don't
know anyone that's actually seen the photo, but that is
another story. But I always crack up because when I

(24:17):
hear that, it makes me think of Curious George. You know,
the man in the yellow hat. Yeah, yep, yep, all right,
but yeah, he saw it standing by a tree. It vanished,
followed by some red streaks, and then the friends saw nothing.
So it's kind of interesting. Look, there was another lady

(24:42):
that did see it. Her name was Heather. It was
like twelve years after the fact though. She saw something,
but she thought maybe he was glowing, and then realized, no,
he's not really glowing. He's just dressed and yellow, and
so she thought, you know, it was just a person.
And then he realized, wait a minute, I can see
through him a little bit, So that's not cool. So

(25:04):
she freaks out and runs, you know. But yeah, that's
really all I found on that particular story. But I
thought it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
It's supposed to be the most haunted cemetery in Illinois,
and with all the with all the gang land stuff
that's happened in Illinois, that's that's saying something. Yeah, there
really is. There's been a lot of violence up there
you would think would cause a lot of hauntings. So

(25:36):
all right, what's up next, folks? Pam, do you have
one you want to share it?

Speaker 5 (25:44):
I'm stuck on the Yellow Man hang out around here.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I told you we could. We could make a whole
show of almost any one of these we talked about.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
So while we're talking about Chicago, we have to bring
up Resurrection. Mary right from Resurrection Resurrection Cemetery that comes
from the Chicago suburb. It's a town called Justice. It's
along Archer Avenue and Resurrection Cemetery has been there a
really long time. It's actually close to the Resurrection Hospital.

(26:22):
And in fact, a friend of mine, her name is
Kathy Mostron, She's from Chicago. She was born in Resurrection Hospital,
so she always thought it was cool that I was
so fascinated with the story, just because she's like, you know,
you live there, it's not that big a deal, but
you know, anywhere else and you hear all kinds of
stories about it. So basically what it is, Resurrection Mary

(26:43):
is said to be a young woman who died tragically
in the thirties, and ever since she passed away drivers
passing the cemetery. There's been quite a few drivers that
have passed by it and have told the same tale.
They're driving along Archer Avenue and they see a woman
dressed in a white dress, and so she looks really sad.

(27:06):
She you know, she's just not agitated or anything. And
they stop and she asks for a ride, and they're like, okay, So,
you know, they let her in the car, and as
they're driving, she's almost always in the backseat. And as
they're driving along, you know, they're talking to her and
she may answer just one or two word sentences and things.

(27:28):
But by the time that they hit the gates of
the cemetery, they look in the back and she's gone,
you know, And so they go to the address that
she has given them knock on the door, and at
the time, you know, early closer to the thirties, a
family would answer and be like, that's Mary. She's actually deceased,

(27:49):
you know, so, but I don't know what happens now
if she gives them the address. Have you guys heard
any updates to that, is anybody?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I have not?

Speaker 5 (28:00):
I haven't either. I'd be curious to see if that getting.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
A sign on my door, or Mary is seized. You've
been haunted?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, right, please don't knock something is long gone. Yeah.
Some people swear that they've seen her handprint scorched in
the cemetery's iron bars. Others have said they see fleeting

(28:33):
glimpses of her, you know, in rear view mirrors when
they're driving by the area, maybe not to stop this
to actually get a ride from them, but just kind
of seeing her in their peripheral So is she real
or is she an archetype of a roadside sorrow kind
of thing. Who knows, but she is. That is a

(28:53):
common theme for the the hitchhiker, you know along the road.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories that were similar
to that.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Oh cool Ian said that they have versions of that
story in the UK too, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It might be one of one of those architect things
where it's a fairly common type of haunting. Mm hmm.
Or it could be creepy pasta.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yeah, well it was creepy pasta back before creep creep
creep apasta, right, creep apasta.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
One of those nights.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You know.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
That's if you're going to talk about ghost stories and
haunted cemeteries, you can't pass that one up. Obviously, right
in the top ten for sure.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Alrighty, isn't that cemetery the one where the bars look like, yeah,
someone's hands have been around us.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Yep, creepy pasta Alfredo.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Hm. I mean it doesn't sound bad, all right. So
do you have another one you want to talk about, Pam,
or you want me to hit the next one?

Speaker 5 (30:16):
You go next?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
My next one is Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
This is one of the most famous haunted cemeteries in
the world, because I mean it's for famous people.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So, uh, Rudolph Valentino is one of the first. There's
activity of reports of Valentino's ghost walking near his crip.
Lady in Black allegedly still visits in morning. Uh. Strange
cold spots and whatnot. I've gotten notes today, so I'm

(30:57):
not completely go I eight, I know you Mark, Judy
Garland's there, Mickey Rooney. It was founded in eighteen ninety nine.
It's been there a long time. M hmm. But you
hear whispers and everything else. I think I've got some
pictures of that one too. Hold on, I'm slow. Dum

(31:29):
dum dum, dum dum dum. So yeah, I've got some
photos here. You get them. Uh, I'm very I'm not

(31:50):
nearly as techy as I used to be. H Oh.
Part of it is I can't read my screen anymore.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
That's a big problem for me too, right, Yeah, I
know it's time to get new glasses because when I
tried to read print, I have to take it off
and read it.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
The place is gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, the place is gorgeous. There's peacocks running around in
the cemetery. I mean it's fancy. It's very very pleasant

(32:38):
looking place. There's one Oh we lost, Uh, there's Johnny Dang.
I can't remember your name anyway, Johnny, Hm, I can't.

(33:05):
Words are hard respond Uh, let's see. I mean there's
just tons of tons of beautiful graves. You can't throw

(33:28):
a rock without hitting somebody you've heard of. Mm hmmm, Uh,
there's a and here's where tons and tons and tons
of uh tombs. A lot of those are like cremaines.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Toto, Oh Toto's there, how cool.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Whatever his real name was. Uh, it's just the place
is gorgeous. But it's also I think the reason that
this one, uh there's fey Rey. Isn't it a shame?
She's just got such a tiny stone that is terrible.

(34:23):
But I really think part of the reason, yeah, part
of the reason this place is so haunted is because
its inhabitants. We're ab I mean not only were there famous,
most of them were beloved, and people just put so

(34:44):
much energy into the place. I don't know if it
creates a tulpa effect or if it's just giving energy
to maybe draw spirits or whatever back. Could be a
pretty good health fee dose of both. But like I said,
if you're good, if you're a cemetery tourist, that's a

(35:07):
place to go, the final resting place of some of
your your favorite childhood stars.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
It is, but being sure that you go during opening
hours because there is guards. Twenty four to seven because
of people trying to get in and steal stuff, steal stuff,
knock headstones over.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
Or if you would prefer if you go during October,
every evening they show a different horror flick in the cemetery.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Oh how fun.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
And you get to take your blankets in and you
set amongst all of those things and they show them
up on a big screen. It's ticketed. You buy tickets
and you can go in every evening during the month
of October and watch horror movies in the Hollywood Cemetery.
It's kind of fun.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
That would be so fun.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, you know, I would actually totally go and do
that if I was in the area in October. Yeah.
I Plus, I love old horror movies, especially old horror movies.
You know, they've become kind of gore fests. I remember

(36:17):
when they were scary without being grotesque.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Uh, of course, some of the ones that I remember
were kind of grotesque.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
But they were at the time. Anyway, they're not scary.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I love the puppet Master series. Uh, and like uh
Phantasm and some of those old old movies. They were great.
I loved them.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Ian said, YouTube channel, grim Life Collectives and a bunch
of videos from there. Interesting if you're a Hollywood fan.
And Zoe said don't Blink? Did anybody else catch that
reference besides me?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah? I saw that, Doctor There are some.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Jess, you should know that one we did that at
the Hunted House, that we did at the Historical Society,
and yeah, the the Weeping Angels. M h Yeah, the
don't blinks that's one.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Pam saying that because I'm Doctor Who illiterate, Because I don't,
I've never been able to get into Doctor Who. I
apologize for all you I call y'all who heads.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I haven't watched the last three or four. I intend to,
but yeah, it's a great series. So but I've watched
uh Doctor Who from when it was in black and white.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
I used to watch my dad when I was a kid,
when Tom Baker was the doctor.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Right, and tom Baker were my favorites. Yeah, I mean
Tom Baker will always be the doctor.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
Yeah, that's who I think. At first I think of him,
and then I think of David Tennant. So there you go.
So you're in company. Jess Sylvain has not watched any either.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
We'll start our own little club. It'll just be the
two of.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Us uncultured swine.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Wow, it got mean really fast.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I did.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Dang.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Well, that's what people call me all the time. Oh,
I'm sure fair play. I mean they called me a
lot of things, but most of them I can't repeat.
On a podcast, you.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
Were talking about Hollywood Forever Cemetery and you showed the
picture of Burt Reynolds Grave. Did you guys hear that
Lonnie Anderson passed away?

Speaker 4 (38:48):
I did?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I don't know. I did not hear that.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, she sure did. I mean kind of sad. I
know they weren't married anymore, but it's still sad. I
still can the two of them together right.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Right? The paint says, laugh out loud. Yeah all right.
So Julie says, I don't like the old Doctor Who
the eighties and before Julie, I agree with you. I
I did like those probably the best. Oh they were good.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
But I do like I do like Eppleson, Tennett and
Smith for sure.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
When you fill up, Yeah that was a transformation and
uh to.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
How cool that's neat?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
So yeah, that's pretty cool stuff right there. So yeah,
I remember that episode.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
I was so sad, but LUs it was. It was awful.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Davidson wasn't bad. I liked Davidson. Yeah, I think he
had quite the chops that Baker had. But I liked
Peter Davidson. So yeah, that wasn't a terrible, terrible We've
got off in the weeds again. I'm sorry about that, folks.
Who else caution rabbit holes?

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Never?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
So I know? Right, notes, So.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
That wasn't a rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That was a hole.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
That was a whole.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
That was a whole. That's what it was, a whole
lot of hooey? What all right? So next, who's got
the next one?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I'll do the next one. So I pulled up Fairview
Cemetery out of Iowa with the famous black angel.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeap, oh yeah, I might have a picture of that,
and I might not. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, So if you've never heard of it at home,
it is one of the most impressive stone angels and
fountains you've ever seen, and it's also supposedly one of
the most haunted. We actually covered this one when we
did border Town Strange. We did haunted cemeteries and cemetery games,
and this one was one of our favorites on there.

(41:28):
So I decided to drag it over because it is
a huge haunting. So this famous cemetery, they call it
the Black Angel. It was actually a memorial statue that
was built back in the early nineteen hundreds for a
lady named ruth Anne Dodge. It actually overlooks the entire cemetery.
Funnily enough, ruth An Dodge herself isn't even buried in

(41:50):
that cemetery. She's buried in another cemetery like two, like
miles away or something like that. Anyways, this dark statue
is actually said to come off of its base at
night and fly around the cemetery. It said, if you
gaze into her eyes, your life will end. Early children

(42:15):
have walked behind the statue and disappeared, they've said. And
the statue is also seen visiting fresh graves at night
like it's welcoming the new tenants into the cemetery. Very
very creepy. It's a super creepy looking statue too. Now,
beyond that, the cemetery is also famous for lights, for

(42:39):
moving headstones, and for a very tall dark shadow that's
about ten feet tall that skirts in and out behind
the tree lions back behind the cemetery. Kind of creepy.
It's also one of the cemeteries. You'll hear this a
lot where the surrounding buildings of the town are also haunted.

(42:59):
Supposedly be because of the cemetery, as if it's like
leaked out and kind of infested the buildings around it.
Another interesting thing about that statue, And if you want
to hear like in depth on this, go back and
check out that cemetery lore thing we did on Bordertown Strange.
It was like last fall or something.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Yeah, it was where we bury them. Is that what
we called it?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah, where we bury them. Go check that one out.
We go into great depth on this one because it
has an extraordinarily interesting history. On the statue itself, how
it came to be. The lady who had it designed
had had all these visions about death coming to take her,
and she couldn't rest until the statue was made. And

(43:46):
then the gentleman who was assigned to create her used
a model, and this model, Holy cow, she tried to
commit suicide. She did this, she did that, she got
they thought she was schizophrenic. She spent time in a
mental health facility, and her life was extraordinary too, just

(44:10):
very insane stuff. And it's very much connected to the
statue in a way. So go back and check that
one out, because that end depth history is really really
interesting and very very scary if you ask me, it is.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Yeah, I can't find a good image to show you.
I keep finding them, but they're all just a little chunk.
So the best image I found was in black and white.
But let's see it. Bring that one up, all right,
I'm going to try it. Oops. Wrong, I'm telling you

(44:54):
I've become tech illiterate. I mean, I used to be
the techie guy. Is just it all is getting away
from me. I think my brain is rotting. Uh so,
dang it, all right, let's see if I can dang it,

(45:24):
stop screen, I gotta start opening. I am that. There
you go.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
You're trying to get my ring out of there? There
we go. Yeah, yeah, she's very creepy looking.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
There's a pretty good picture of it. That's an old picture,
so yeah, yeah, she's all right.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
She is well, I mean the way she's aged. Also,
they get that black that old lichen and stuff kind
of turns black on them, and and it always looks
like it's running down their cheeks because that's where it
collects at because it's so deep where their eyes are
carved in at so she just really looks terrible.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, oh, tire screech podcast. Back on track, Thanks Ian.
We do get off track and you know, wop us
up backside the heads, so we get back on it

(46:35):
all right, Pam, you got one?

Speaker 4 (46:37):
I do?

Speaker 5 (46:38):
What about Westminster Hall and burying ground in Baltimore?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Okay, I'm gonna get ready to see this one in
the fall. I'm so excited.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Oh that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, Baltimore, Maryland.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Yes, Baltimore, Maryland. So we talked about this one too
on an other show, I think if I remember right, Yeah,
So this historic cemetery, it's also it's where Edgar Allan
Poe is buried, along with all of his family, at
least his grandfathers and parents and things like that. But
there is, according to Laura anyway, there's a murdered minister's

(47:15):
skull that gets so loud and death that has to
be It had to be gagged and encased in concrete
and local. I'll still hear the muffled screams on Quiet Nights.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Got a gallery.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
Too, funny. But the cemetery, you know, they I like
the line where they say Poe may be resting in peace,
But the rest of the cemetery seems to hum with
unresolved stories. You know, it's like I want wah, but
uh so Poe's grave itself and the surrounding area it's often,

(47:55):
you know, cited as a focal point for paranormal activity,
and there's of Poe's spirit actually being seen or since
in the vicinity. An interesting thing about him is he
was buried there, not once but twice, because they buried
him originally and then dug him up and moved him.
And I could be wrong, and I may have this
story wrong. Was he moved a third time or was

(48:16):
it just the two? It's just the two second time
they put the the raven Yeah, marker.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, he actually he got moved by children. Oh did
you guys know that story? It was really interesting. So
when they went to go move him, it was actually
spearheaded by a teacher in Baltimore. There wasn't money to
move him, like he needed to be moved. His area

(48:47):
was falling apart and people had been messing with it,
and they really needed something more permanent for him. So
her and her classroom started a penny drive pennies for
Poh and they collected pennie and yeah, a businessman they're
in the Baltimore area said, hey, if you guys can

(49:09):
get so much of this built up with your pennies,
I'll match the other half. So that's what happened. They
ended up getting enough pennies they met this dude matched it,
and they were able to buy that whole setup for po.
So now when you go past there, you'll find pennies
all over the place because people are still giving pennies
for Poe. Then the cemetery, Yeah, the cemetery lets them

(49:32):
gather and then they gather them up when there gets
to be too much, and then they put it towards
taking care of the cemetery.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
That is really cool. And you know, they say that
it has catacombs too, and it truly doesn't, because what
happened was the cemetery was founded well like sixty years
before the church was placed there, so once they built
the church, they built it on top and over some graves.
So it's kind of like there's catacombs, you know, based

(50:00):
on that reason. But there are some other hauntings said
to be there. There's sightings of a nameless old man.
There's supposed to be a woman in a strait jacket
and the scrintled groundskeeper. So yes, and there's also a
phantom screaming that's said to echo throughout the cemetery. Aside

(50:23):
from this stuff right exactly, but you know, there's also
uh stories about body snatching that where the what they
call the catacombs where they are now is where it
was once a graveyard that body snatchers used to steal
corpses from for medical study. So you know, that kind

(50:46):
of adds to the reputation of the place a little
bit too. But there's also General John Swan that is
buried there in the area around his grave is said
to be haunted by a man in uniform who yells
at visitors to leave. So kind of makes me. That
makes me think there is a cemetery that we have
frequented and there is a ghost in there that pretty

(51:08):
much yells at you to get off his porch kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
But yeah, get off my porch of my long kid, Yes.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
That's what it reminds me of a lot. That's what
this made me think of. Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
That one actually did not make my list, but no,
I was able to find some pictures.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, it's a neat It's a neat cemetery, it really is.
It just you'll have to take lots of pictures.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I absolutely will. I have oury intentions of doing that,
and then we'll show them here and on a Bordertown strange,
super fun.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Yes see, these are the These are the the vacation
photos that everybody doesn't mind seeing because they're cool.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
I have to visit there too, So for all of
you who aren't like super close to my family and I.
My husband and I met and one of our loves
was Eggar Allen Poe. We both loved Eggar Allen Poe
so much so that when my daughter was born, we
named her Raven. So we absolutely have to go visit.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Yeah. If you're anywhere close, you definitely have to.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Yeah. All right, so are we ready to move on?
Are you still looking for photos?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I'm okay.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
I want to do Dead Children's Playground ooh in Huntsville, Alabama.
It's a good one.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
That is.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yet another cemetery. If you look upon a cemeteries, it'll
be in the top ten. I almost guarantee it. And
you can watch plenty of video on YouTube of the cemetery.
Just in the name of the cemetery. You're going to
find so much stuff, especially the next door playground where
the haunting has leaked over into. You can watch swings

(53:12):
going back and forth on their own. You can hear
weird sounds and whistles in that area. It's really strange AnyWho.
So the cemetery itself is called Maple Hill Cemetery. It's
in Huntsville, Alabama. There were two huge outbreaks back in
nineteen eighteen and nineteen ninety of influenza and some other

(53:37):
stuff that literally just wiped out entire generations of kids. Yeah,
the cemetery is plumful, and it has an entire section
of children's graves from those outbreaks. And right beside it,
it's the end of the cemetery. There's a fence, and

(53:58):
then right on the other side of it is the
children's playground. Yeah. Now, to really drive this home and
make sure something was going to come of this, both
of those are nestled right beside a huge limestone and
quartz quarry. So there's there.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Yeah, there's your there's your power right there. That's how
it's powered. Probably.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
So the activity here peaks between ten pm and three pm.
And anything and everything that you can think of that
is involved with some kind of a haunting happens here
inside the cemetery and out on the playground and in
front of the cemetery in the road. They've had things
run out in front of vehicles before. Yeah, lights and

(54:49):
shadows moving.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
There's a good picture from the playground into the cemetery.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Yeah, that's not much of all that separates it.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
No, but like I said, go hit up YouTube. Just
type in Dead Children's Cemetery, Huntsville. You probably won't even
need to put in Huntsville, and you will see video
after video after video of people just walking in. There's
one really scary one where this dad and his kids

(55:25):
were walking in in the evening to go play on
the equipment before it got too dark, and as they
walked in, you could already see that everything was moving.
The swings were all moving back and forth. And they
stood there and watched it for a good five minutes,
and he recorded it until his kids were so creeped
out they just cried to go home. They were like,
let's go dad, Yeah, we want to go home.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Yeah, it's a creepy place.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
That is that right?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
There is weird. Yeah, it really is, so all right?
Are we ready for a new one?

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Well, we've already talked about white ladies. Let's see. I
don't think I have any pictures of that one. What
we've got Union Cemetery, and I do have some pictures
from Union Cemetery in eastern conn Connecticut, sout Connecticut. I'm sorry,

(56:33):
I butcher everything.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Have you met us?

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I know we should be the.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Butchering of the English language. I think it's just a
Kansas accent at this point.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
It might be. There's there's a picture of Union Cemetery,
so there it is Union Cemetery. They've got a white
lady that is the big one, described as a woman
in a white nightgown who appears near the cemetery in
nearby roads. Ghost hunters Ed and Lorraine Warren called this

(57:11):
one one of the most haunted places in the United States.
The cemetery itself dates back to the sixteen hundreds. It
is located near Stephanie Cemetery, another haunted spot. The White
Lady is often caught on camera, including one claimed video
by Ed Warren. She's seen walking Route fifty nine and

(57:35):
vanishing into the cemetery, and some people say she's tied
to a tragic love story, and others believe she was
buried in an unmarked grave. So, I mean, it's a
pretty good story anyway. But there seems to be a

(57:59):
lot of this is like your arch arch typical white
lady haunting.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Yeah, and there's a lot of those in the cemeteries,
which is kind of makes sense, I guess.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
So it does make you wonder is this just a
really common occurrence or is it a lot of popular
culture causing these things to manifest spontaneously.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
It's probably a combination.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
There's probably a lot of factors going on today. Could
I mean, the human psyche is capable of generating reality,
you know, if enough people believe in something, so it
wouldn't be surprising, you know, if it created a similar
phenomenon across across the planet h or could be really

(58:54):
haunted as crap one of the other. I mean, some
of these places I I'm one hundred percent sure are haunted,
and some of these places I am not.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
So this one, I mean, it's pretty famous, there's no
doubt about it. There's not quite as much going on
there as there are some of the other ones, but
definitely one to check out if you are in Easton, Connecticut.
I will not butcher this time, but that's how it's

(59:32):
spelled Connecticut, Connecticut. That's how I when I'm writing that,
I will say it phonetically like that so I can
so you can spell it. I can spell it right.
Otherwise I'm I'm going to butcher that too.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
It sounded like you were getting ready to say like
Schenectady or something Connectic.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
I can't even say that.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Don't hurt yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
That like, should we all say it together?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
The hickele b hickel hickle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I mean we are from Kansas. Sorry about that. Ian, Hey,
did you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Change my name? My moniker? You did?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Did Mark's gonna do it? It's a haunted podcast changed itself.
I didn't anything.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
There's no key and sin is to stop it. Why
are you You're gonna get too boozed up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
Yeah, he's gonna be three sheets to the end if
he's not careful.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Is that is that a drinking game?

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I mean, well, he should be getting ready to go
to bed. We'd probably be helping him out if we
get him cloud.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I mean, hellan if you're ever in the stop by
my house.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Oh, he's pulling out the glow.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
The globe of anebriation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Yes, it is the Globe of inebriation. Well, you know
that's Kansas classy or you know, totally depending on where
you're from. I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Kansas classy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I drink my liquor from a globe.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
He travels the world when he drinks. I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I tell you I stopped drinking, but I don't really drink.
I mean wintertime, I'll drink one or two to keep
from coughing all over y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
But I'm still working on the the mics that we
bought a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I still got some I bought from way before that.
I took us some Cranberry mikes in the fridge.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
I think I still have like of them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Maybe, Oh too funny?

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Is it my turn?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
It's somebody's turn.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I think it's my turn. So I'm gonna get a
little bit closer to home with this one. This one
isn't a huge one. It doesn't have a whole lot
going on, but I still thought it would be fun
to mention it list right because it's only not quite
two hours from a sovery near Joppa, Missouri. It's the
Peace Cemetery, and so what this cemetery is it is

(01:02:35):
actually I lost my notes. Hang on. It's said to
be haunted by the ghost of Billy Cook. He is
a nineteen fifties uh spree killer and he's buried just
outside of its grounds because you know, obviously he couldn't
be buried in the grounds. But he's reported to roam
the perimeter and some claim to hear his footsteps or

(01:02:58):
fill a sudden chill when passing by. But and that's
something Actually one of our friends, her name is Lisa Martin.
She's with Dark or uh yeah, dark Os Arcs and
Paranormal Research Lab out of Carthage, Missouri, and author and
she is an author. She's got three or four books

(01:03:18):
now and she will be at PARACN. If you're going
to be there, you can meet Lisa. She's a really
cool person. But she did she did say that it
is not uncommon for people driving into the cemetery at
night to see what looks like a shadow man standing
against one of the trees along the drive. And there's
also people that have very foreboding feelings while in the cemetery.

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They feel like they're being watched some feel you know,
get panicky, feel like they're in danger. And then other
times there's people that will hear footsteps or laughter, and
there's unexplained floating lights which kind of sounds a lot
like choplin Spook Light. Yeah, because it's a bluish white
light that's very similar to it. So I thought that

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was a cool one, and I thought it'd be a
fun one to make sure that we got included in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I thought you were going to go someplace totally different
with that one.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Did you W'd you think I was gonna go with it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I thought you were going to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I can talk about Stole if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I mean, we can do though. I might even have
some pictures of that. By golly, I do it. I
did some stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
I am so proud of you, mister Mark. So Still Cemetery.
If you haven't heard of the cemetery, you have been
sleeping under a rock. One of the seven gates to
Hell is in Kansas, not Okay. So this one is
my pet Peeve Cemetery, and Mark and Pam have heard

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me harp on this before. It will definitely make the
top ten. If you look up on a cemetery in
the top ten. And this poor little cemetery and this
poor little tiny town of stole Can has taken on
this horrible legend, much to their dismay. So the legend

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goes that still Cemetery is one of the seven gates
to Hell. There used to be a little stone church
on it that they said that the crosses hung upside
down in if you went inside, liquids flowed upside down. Uh,
you could hear like maniacal, demonic laughing, things would zoom

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around you. People had gotten knifed in there, even though
there was nobody wielding a knife. And then they said
every Halloween night if you went out there, the devil
would come, you know, and take his followers with him,
and blah blah blah, And there's there's so much more
to it. The Pope wouldn't fly over it, refused to

(01:05:52):
do so, just all sorts of stuff. Now, this entire
story only goes back to the seventies, and it Ku
Ku University is right there right near it, not k
State Ku k You still does have a newspaper, and

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its newspaper staff was supposed to be doing a Halloween
edition and one of the writers was needing a good
filler story, something fun and scary to put in the newspaper.
So he went poking around in the local uh you know,
phone book and found Stole Kansas and was like, oh,

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this is sound scary. It sounds kind of like Skull.
So he made up an entire story. The story I
just told you to go into the paper for fun,
and unfortunately it took on a life of its own
that exact Halloween that right, you know, right after that

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paper came out, kids were gathering there with beers, waiting
for the devil to come down. The poor little area
doesn't even have its own sheriff or police force because
it's too tiny. The only reason why it's a town
is because it had a post office for a short while,
and I don't even think it has its post office anymore.
I think now it's just a little what do they

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call that when you don't have a post office anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
There's a name for it, unincorporated.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Unincorporated. Yeah, so it almost died out the next year.
It looked like it was dying out because everybody kind
of forgot about the story and nothing happened that night
except for that A lot of police had to come
in from out of town and get those kids out
of there. But unfortunately the Kansas City Star, a big

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newspaper out of Kansas City, picked up the story and
told it as if it was completely true. Right, And
that's where it took off at, and it has just
it's like an urban legend. It just spread out, and
now suddenly every town we have a little cemetery near
us that supposedly haunted and the pope won't fly over it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
Yeah, it's where the famous witch grave story comes from.
It says witch on it because a witch was hung
there and they just dropped her where she lay, and
that's where they buried her at and they put witch
on her stone to warn other people. That is the
origin of that story. That grave does not exist there.
It was a part of that original story from that

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kid at Ku. I won't give out his name because
that's just not right.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
I don't know if that wears on him or not.
That those poor people, but it just just makes me
madder than hops every time somebody retells that as if
it's a real story. Because those poor people install cancers.
It's a teeny, tiny, little sleepy almost a retirement community.

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There isn't a lot of younger people in it, and
they've had to bar off that cemetery. You can't get
into it now without permission because they would just go
in and destroy it. That little church I was talking
about which did exist there, it fell in and they
finally just had to bulldoze it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, that's We've got materies like that around here that
you know, they have to keep an eye I get it.
They have to keep an eye on them because they
will get for up. Because I'm sorry, I'm going to
apologize to everyone, and we may need to change banners

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here to to this one are dumb, Yeah, until you
get to be a certain a And that's just dumb
stuff that kids do.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
Yeah, the prefrontal cortex is not completely mature until they're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
They're still they haven't hardened up yet. So I mean,
I had no desire to go wreck cemeteries. No, never,
I know, you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Raised better than that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
So yeah, some.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
People just have known that I would be in the
cemetery exactly would have done killed me. Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
I grew up with my grandparents going out to the
cemeteries to put flowers on everyone's grave, you know, on
Memorial Day, and you guys know, it's like, I don't
have a lot of living family, but I've got a
ton in the cemeteries around here.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
So yeah, Well, see, when I was a kid, uh,
there was a little cemetery that was in a little
hay meadow that my dad put up hay in every
year for years. And it was part of the bottom

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land that we rented for a wheat across the creek,
but we had access to the hayfield too, so we
put up hay there every year. And there was this
teeny tiny little cemetery and we all thought it was
a shame that it was in such a mess, and
so every summer we would clean it up completely a

(01:11:42):
couple of times, you know, and we'd go with it.
It was so small we could mow the whole thing
with a w weed eater. But yeah, the stones there
had been trash and it took forever. We pieced quite
a few of them back together, and several of them
were put together with a POxy, but most of them

(01:12:05):
just got laid out in the pieces so you can
read them, and then we weeded it around them so
people can find out you know, if they knew anybody there.
But yeah, seeing seeing people tear that stuff up, it
just it twists my garter.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Oh do tell.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
It does irritate me a little bit. So I can
see why the people of Stall have had to, you know,
be the way they are.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
It's horrible, it is. It was a beautiful old cemetery
once about a time, but now it has just been wrecked.
So yeah, and I'm just gonna put this out there.
If anyone's listening who is a paranormal investigator, or you
have a podcast, or you put stuff out on paranormal stuff,

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if you push that story as being true, you are
doing everyone a disservice. Please stop, Please stop. And if
you put it out and didn't know any better, shame
on you, because two minutes of research will garner you
that original story out of the ku with the original

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thing that the student did, talking about the fact that
it was made up for fun for the paper. So
if you've put it out before, shame on you, because
I know you didn't do your research.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
Do your research.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Yeah, even chat GPT found it out. It's in part
of my notes from chet GPT So.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yeah, every beer can that ends up on a headstone.
Every headstone that gets pushed over, every time a fence
gets taken down at that cemetery is because you helped
push it. So shame on you. I hope you sleep
well at night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
All right, I've never understood why people wanted to do
all right, Next one, what have we got? Yeah, okay,
I'm not sure if I've got any pictures of this one?
But uh, what do you guys know about Greyfriars Kirkyard

(01:14:28):
in Charleston, South Carolina?

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Mm hmm in South Carolina.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
That's not in South Carolina, South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
That's in Kirkyard is in Scotland.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Yea, there is a US version that still has local war.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Oh, I didn't know that one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
There's also a Greyfriars Kirkyard in Edinburgh, Scotland, which is
international famous. The US version is less well known but
still has local war. It is haunted by unknown spirits
and Civil War soldiers. The activity includes strange lights, voices,
and a sense of an ease that plagues visitors.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
So it's kind of place.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Doesn't it though it does. It is not to be
confused with Scotland's Grayfriars Charleston version. Is tied to the
colonial and Civil war history near several battle sites and
ancient churches. Reports include soldiers in period clothing, shadow fixtures, figures,

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eerie moaning, and some say spirits are tied to church
desegrations and grave robberies from the eighteen hundreds. So once
again the body the body snatchers.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
Yeah, so that was a real thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
It is just a I'm gonna get off in the
weeds just a little bit. Does anybody Has anybody ever
heard the term rot gut whiskey. I'm about to gross.
So these grave robbers to transport these corpses, they didn't
want them to get any more rotten than they already were,

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so they would stuff them in oak barrels filled with
really cheap whiskey.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Oh don't tell me this is where that's going.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Oh it is. You might want to block your ears.
So some enterprising individuals once they delivered these bodies to
the medical schools, but it would be a great idea
to resell the whiskey in local saloons. Hence rot gut whiskey,

(01:16:55):
which actually tasted like well, rotting flesh. This is a
true story. Look it up.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
So gross.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Well, and I if I remember the story correctly, it
was medical students who did that with the whiskey, you know,
because they're poor, they're going to school. All right, I'm
going to leave that there. Sorry, sorry, folks, my bad.

(01:17:37):
My apologies to everyone who is hanging out with us
in the jat and everyone who has to listen to that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:45):
And that was pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
That was pretty bad. But true. It's true history.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Yeah, and that's the fun part of it, you know.
It is true.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
So all right, we've got time for a couple more
where we wrap this. We can do another episode on
this if you guys want.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
Yeah, or we could maybe do international.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
We can do that. I mean, we really need to
talk about the original Gray Fires Kirkyard.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Yeah, because it's fascinating. You do episode just on it
you want to talk about I have one. I have
one and it's near and dear to our hearts. It's
Round Mound Cemetery. It's in Cummins, Kansas, which is just
down the road from us. If you know where sed

(01:18:35):
Down and Cedarville are, you will have a really good
idea of where Round Mound is. It's a little dott
off the side of the road. Actually, it's a little
bit off the road and down a dirt road a
little bit, but it's an interesting place. Years ago, I

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had it made the top ten most haunted places in
a Mayor America on a website and we were like,
we don't even you know, we know nothing about this
and it's like right in our backyard. So we had
to go check it out, of course. And we went
out there during the day to look first, and it's
a very nondescript up on the It's set on the
side of a hill facing east. Beautiful little place for sure.

(01:19:19):
There's probably about eight hundred burials in it, and we
didn't think that much of it. You know, there was
cows in the fields around it and no big deal.
And we're like, okay, we may have to come back
here at night check it out again. So we did,
and my oldest son came with us and he was
an adult by then. So we go out there and

(01:19:40):
there's like, instead of a full road, there's like two
tire tracks that are graveled, you know, for the lanes,
and so we were like, you know, this is pretty cool,
and we heard a couple of sounds couldn't really place
some hurd a whistle couldn't figure out where that was
coming from. And we were getting ready to leave, and

(01:20:00):
so we start walking down the gravel path to get
back to our car and my son Tim, he's like, stop,
I hear there's somebody walking behind us. And I was like, oh,
I don't think there is. So we stop and you
hear crunch, crunch, crunch. There was like three steps behind us,
and we're like, oh, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Are we really you know? What is?

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Are we going to get something here? So we turn
around and look, there's nothing there. So he's like, okay,
let's try it again. So we walked like four or
five steps and then we stopped. Sure enough, crunch, crunch,
three steps again, and it happened three different times and
we took photos. There's nothing there, but it sure was
walking right along with us, and it was right behind

(01:20:42):
us whatever it was, so I was thrilled. I thought
it was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
I've only been out there a couple of times, but
it was worth it. I mean, it was fun. But
it's one of those places. It is got a lot
of family in it, So make sure that you get
permission before you go in there. You know, don't go
in there and rereak havoc or anything. But if you go,
check it out. But it is beautiful little place somebody

(01:21:08):
likes to set behind you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
All right, that is all right, Well, it is about
time for us to say good night, and if you
guys are game, let's talk more on the cemeteries. Yeah,
two weeks from tonight. Do you want to do more

(01:21:35):
us or do you want to go more worldwide?

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
We can do both. Let's just spread our wings a
little as the Dark as the Black Angel would say,
Let's spread our wings a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
And that's kind of scary. It's kind of like it's
kind of like Mothman scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me
see if I can get this up. I'm going to
before we go. I want to share a screen if
I'm smart enough, and yay yay. Parracon Saturday September twenty fourth.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Nope, that's from twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
That's the wrong one. Dang it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Yeah, that's the old one, twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Where the hell did I get that one? Well? Anyway,
Bordertown parra con gun see is.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Uh Saturday September twenty seventh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Or is twenty seventh?

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Oh am? I wrong? I could be wrong too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
No, you're right. Twenty seventh.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
You gotta be in.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Kiney, Kansas. Over here at the Caney Wreck Center. It's
a fairly nice venue. We've got parking. Uh, there's going
to be a car show that weekend. And it's not
every year we have something going on in tandem with us,
but this year we're we've also got a car show
downtown with food trucks. Come on down to Canty, Kansas.

(01:23:13):
If you're not interested in the paranormal, come down for
the car show and just stop buy and say hi.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
Absolutely, it's free to get in and we've got lots
of stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
And to our knowledge, it is the only free para
con in the United States. Yeah, we don't charge anything
at the door. Now this year we do have a
class given by our good friend Brian Tarrell. Yes, we're
selling twenty tickets at the door, or yes, twenty tickets

(01:23:46):
at the door. First comfort, sir, to come have a
class about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Bigfoots, how to hunt bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
How to hunt bigfoot and that is I we need
to set up up a cam and tape that and
live stream that as well as our other live streams.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Well, we can't live stream it because it's a paid
to get in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Oh oh yeah, we'll record it and put it on
pay per view. We'll do something so that people can
check it out after the fat at least some extra.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
So yeah, it should be a good time. We got
speakers and panels and vendors and food and a tarot reader,
a medium, Christy Campbell. Yeah yeah, she's going to do
a free for an hour. Yeah, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yep. We look forward to this every year. It is
a lot of work and this year has just flown by.
Oh I know, it's caught up with as fast. For
those of you who are speaking, we usually have a
dinner the night before. Where the that's going to be
this year is still kind of up in the air,

(01:25:02):
but we will have plenty of food for our auh,
for our guests, for those who are speaking and presenting,
So do remember that if you are one of those.
So I found it, yay, I don't know why I

(01:25:26):
could not finally grab the wrong one. There you go,
so check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
All sorts of raffles and stuff. Oh we have that's
everyone's favorite as the raffles, So.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
We have we get a little crazy with the raffles,
but the raffles fun of the para con every year
they do, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
What they do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
It's not hugely expensive for us to put on except
in labor. There's a lot of labor, especially Jess and Pam.
I provide some laid work, some money and a few
good ideas and a few bad ones.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
Who is that face in the center at the bottom?
Is that Enzo?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
I believe that might be yes. That is our good friend.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Flashing the benjamins.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Yeah, the money man himself.

Speaker 5 (01:26:35):
It's a great picture.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Those of you who are viewing this, there is a
QR code on here, so if you get on YouTube,
if you're listening to this on your podcast provider, you
can go to YouTube check this episode out. At the
end of it there is a QR code you can
scan so you can get all of our information.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
You've heard us talk about Brian Tarrell and Enzo. And
also along the bottom there is Jim Gray, which he
is the infamous Jim that we go see at the
Geneseo Kansas UFO day. He's going to be here sharing
some real to reels of Actually they were transferred over,

(01:27:19):
weren't they to? I lost the word anyway, he'll be
playing those Yes, and you can hear the actual voices
from the forties, fifties, and sixties of people talking about
their UFO experiences back in the day, their flying saucer
back then, it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Was Yeah, they called them flying saucers back then, So
that is really cool. I think it's going to be
a good show this year. I can't wait to see
some of our viewers and listeners out there, and Hey,
get on like and share our event page and come
on out. Like I said, if you've got somebody you

(01:28:00):
want to bring with you and they're not interested in
the parimoral, words are hard. If they're not interested in
the paranormal, send them down to the car ship. Yeah,
and you can hang out with us all day long.
And unlike many para cons our speakers are encouraged to
walk around and chat with the folks. In fact, that's
where they get some of their new stories and they

(01:28:22):
get new leads, you learn stuff, everybody wins.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Yeah. And if you like to read, we always have
a good handful of authors in who all have their
books readily available and would love to sign one for
you and chat about their work.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
So yes, that's what I like you can.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Yeah, you can really get in there and get to
know some of these people and all of these paranormal
teams and stuff that'll be in. They so want to
hear your story. So come on for that day and
just hang out with us. It's really fun and laid back.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
It really Yeah, it is a great day. And if
you are not in the area and you are an
able to attend in person, we do live stream the presenters,
so you'll be able to see those those discussions and
a lot of people check out.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Moved on just a second. I'm going to check see
how many people have looked at that on YouTube. I
think there is a bunch, yes, a lot of on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Yeah, And if you're interested in how it goes, our
previous year's paracns are still up on our Facebook wall.
You can go back a year and watch last year's
paricon a year before.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
That, yeah, or go to border Town. Well do we
have them on? No, we have them strange, don't we.
If you go to Bordertown, Strange, Sylvain and look through
our catalog, you can see last year's live streams from
the para con.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
I wasn't able to get into it on short notice,
but I will do that for next time. We've had
several one hundred people watch various various presentations and whatnot.
It's a good time and we encourage everybody come out.
It is absolutely free.

Speaker 5 (01:30:17):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
All right, folks, Well join us in two weeks and
we will talk more cemeteries and you ladies a week
from Wednesday are going to be having a show on
what are you covering this this times?

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Yes, yeahs and varying other smaller legends, kind of referring
to that kind of a situation that you know, strange
shadow people that live in the hills type of situation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
That's what. Yeah, the hills, Yeah, border town, strange. One
week from Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
Yes, yep, seven pm.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
So you guys get out there and check these ladies out.
They are awesome. They have a much better show than
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah, well, I'm full of a lot of things, usually
hot air top of the list. So all right with that, folks,
I'd like to wish everybody a good night and keep
it like these girls say, keep it weird.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
Absolutely, we like it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
We like it, and it's all connected.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
That's right. They're stealing all our lines.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
I am doing all of your hey. I believe I
might have coined one of those lines. Maybe maybe possibly,
I don't know. I say a lot of stuff and
some of it just sticks. I'm fine, all right, folks.
Well good night.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
Off can I everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
M h m h m h m. All right, that

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was fun.