Hoia Baciu Forest. Transylavania Romania.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever wondered what was out there in the
night sky, stared up at the stars in the hopes
of seeing something out of the ordinary. Have you heard
unexplainable noises coming from a vacant room or watched the
shadow across the wall in front of you. Have you
asked yourself if there is life after this one or
if you had life before? What about strange creatures that

(00:27):
are mythical and elusive? Have you experienced dejevu or felt
a prompting to leave because you felt you were in danger.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
If you have, you were on the fringe.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Welcome to another episode of On the Fringe. I'm Mark,
I'm Pam, and I'm Jess. Kay the gang's all here.
Well tonight we have another exciting episode. We're going to
be talking about Hoya Batu forest in Transylvania, Romania. So

(01:22):
I mean there's all kinds of legends. I mean, it's
even there's some stuff tying it, trying to tie it
to the whole lad drag cool thing. So it should
be really interesting. Before we get started, I wanted to
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on with the show, all right, So well, let's talk

(02:25):
a little bit about hoy bought you before we get started. Hoy,
you bought you? Forrest? Is you not pronounce the name
of the town? Probably right, I'll probably tease somebody off,
uh away, No poker.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
That's exactly how I would have pronounced it.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
So clue, Because you know I butcher the English language.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to do a worse job
on everybody else's. I mean, when I learned to speak
my own language, maybe I'll do better on other people's same.

(03:10):
So cluge. So it's there. It's in Transylvania, the most
famous part of Romania where Vlad the drag Hoole impaled
his enemies. I'm not sure how many miles is, but

(03:31):
it's close enough that people have, you know, lumped this
all together. And it's named after a sheep herder who
went into the forest with his two hundred sheep and
we're never seen again, neither him or the sheep. So

(03:51):
it's not bad. That was bad. So it's not a
very big place. It's what three square collorometers.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, it's not that big.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's like a square mile and a half.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
How do you lose two hundred sheep and a shepherd
in that in the area.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
You think it's going to be this huge, giant forest,
but it's really not very big. And then it's got
this right in the middle. It's got this big, open,
egg shaped place where no trees grow.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, seven twenty nine acres.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Wow, So yeah, it's smaller than Pooh's forest. You're going
with that, Yeah, I mean it's smaller than any of
the Pooh's house. Yeah, it's one hundred acre. Would one
hundred acre?

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Is that one hundred mile acre?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well? Whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
I'm a little delude today.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, you know, some of you may have noticed my
subtag here. My brain is cooked. It was very in
the shop today, and I may or may not make
any sense. Of course, for those of you who watch
or listen on the regular, you will know that that's
not that much different from normal. I may just be

(05:16):
a little bit farther out left field than normal, So
I apologize for that too. So lots of missing people around,
hooy about you, lots of One of the famous disappearances
was a five year old girl who disappeared and five

(05:40):
years later showed up, still five years old, wearing the
same clothes she was wearing. Didn't know what happened.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, the fact that she
didn't age it was obviously the strangest portion of all.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I had no memory of what happened, So yeah, that's
that's pretty strange. So it could have been just a
few minutes for her.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
It's kind of proof that time isn't linear, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, lots of time slips, missing time, lots of
people losing track of time. Again, it's not a very
big place, mm hmm, it's not. I think I can

(06:27):
probably find a aerial photo if I look hard enough.
The show's the whole thing, I mean, it's just you
fly over with the airplane and it's there.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Comment. He said, I didn't notice mark I shirt though.
It is pretty fabulous for those that are listening. Mark
has a shirt on that has big Foot and aliens
and I see Nessie on there and UFOs pretty pretty slick.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, I break it out once in a while. Don't
want to overdo it Mark Fashionista. Well, I've been learning
from my good friend Inzo.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
They are setting the bar.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, he has set the bar, and I've got to
try to follow.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, some die fashion, some Inzo fashion. Yes, if we
could all only live up to.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It, right, I don't even try. Forever fails, so I
don't even I don't even try.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
So do we want to touch a little bit on
the missing time aspect of it? Because Pam and I
actually have quite a bit on that.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, let's let's do that. That's one of the really
fascinating things about this forest.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Yeah. So, if you go back last year, Pam and
I did an entire series on missing time and time slips,
and we included Hoya about you in it. Not as
a full huge thing, of course, because we have a
tendency to run along, So we kept thaying short. But

(08:03):
when we were researching just solely for the missing time stories,
we actually found a few extra ones that aren't included.
If you if you look up Hoya Bachu on the internet,
the first like twenty some pages are going to be
the exact same write up, only just renamed and then
added to a new page. It's it's really sad. So

(08:24):
we did yes extraordinarily recycled. That's a good term for
it VAM.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
That is they're trying to get people to visit. It's
actually a pretty popular tourist destination in Transylvania. So part
of that is if you'll probably find the original article
comes from like a press release or something, I would

(08:51):
almost say.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah. So one of the one of the first ones
that we found, actually I can't remember it was me
or Pam, but was actually from hundreds of years ago.
It was from the fifteen hundreds. There was a very
tiny village and the name of it's kind of been
lost a time, but there was a little tiny village
that set on the outskirts of the of the forest

(09:18):
and they were having issues. It kind of reminds me
of like m Night Shyamalan in that one movie he did. Yeah,
the villagers would, you know, they would go into the
forest to go hunting and you know, to forage for things,
and more often than not, villagers would go in but
wouldn't come back. And it became so infamous for this

(09:40):
that they stopped allowing the villagers to go in. The
villagers stopped, you know, they were going to go in
there to go hunting anymore, and things like that, and
the village eventually just kind of moved away from the area.
But there are stories now from even nowadays where they
claim that they see these people walk out of the

(10:00):
the woods dressed in this really weird old peasant style attire.
And there was even one account where they had a
woman walk out in full peasant attire from that time,
and she didn't speak the language. Of course, the language
has changed a lot over the years, as do most languages.
They had a hard time understanding her, but they emptied

(10:22):
her pockets and they found extraordinarily old Romanian coin and
Roman coin mixed in her pockets that alone right there.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Like highly very expensive coins. So this isn't someone that
would be just walking around, you know. Just get them
out of Grandpa's thing and make it look like oh
you know, I'm I'm cosplaying.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
She the stuff she had was very antique, very very expensive,
and very hard. Very rare is the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, we also found a story that was his earth
Is back in the nineteen nineties, and I don't remember
the exact date, but a family had gone in for
a little hike and had actually gone missing for about
five days. They had sent people in to look for them.
They were not to be seen, and as you heard

(11:17):
Mark say, the place isn't extraordinarily huge, so I would
think that it would be maybe not simple to sweep,
but with enough people you could probably do a good
sweep of that area. They didn't find them, but five
days later they came walking out the other side of
the forest from where they'd entered, and had no clue
that they had been missing for five days. They thought

(11:38):
they'd only been gone for a couple of hours and
thought they'd actually walked into the clearing that Mark mentioned
earlier that's in the middle, and then turned around and
took the same path back out, when in all actuality,
they ended up clear on the other side and almost
like a direct line path from where they started, so
that one was recorded as early or as l is

(12:00):
the nineties, So this is kind of.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
A This forest is small enough, one hundred or so
people could stand within eyesight of each other and sweep
through the whole thing and cover it in an hour
or two.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
And if anybody's a fan of destination truth. Back in
the Early Days season three, Josh Gates, he took his
team to the Haunt. It's titled the Haunted Forest, and
he took his team out there. And if you've watched
it before, if you recall the episode where they're in
the antique plane and the roof rips off mid flight,

(12:38):
it's that episode. They had to make a emergency landing,
and then they took ATVs on in and found the
circle and they saw lights in the forest. And then
one of the guys that I can't remember what his
position was, I kind of think he was I don't
think he may have been a producer or something. He
wasn't one of that if I remember correctly, he wasn't

(13:00):
one of the actual paranormal team members. He's setting crisscross
apple sauce in the middle of that clearing and gets
pulled up and drug backwards, and you can see him
in the footage. I mean, you you can tell when
somebody jumps up, you know, in the footage you can
see his whole body fling up and back and his legs,
you know, just willy nilly.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
As he lies back.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
He was very panicked. Yeah, extremely So that was that.
That's one of the I ended up actually purchasing that
episode on my Amazon account to keep because it was
such an interesting footage.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Josh goes to a lot of interesting places.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
He does, so, especially the early days, they had some
really cool places that they went, things that they did.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'd like to have his budget for I'm not going
to lie. If I were to win the lottery, we
would probably waste everything on plane tickets travel go to
some of these places. I mean I just chomp at

(14:12):
the bit to go to some of these places, right,
oh wow, whether I actually did anything or not there
just to.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Say that you were there, right yeah, just to breathe
the air and fill the atmosphere and yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
So all right, and we've got quite a few picks.
You want to keep going with the time slips or well.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
That's I mean, that's all I have. Like the really
recorded ones, they just mention that it happens quite frequently.
If you hit like hit a good Reddit page. It's
a little bit harder because a lot of them are
in another language, but you can hit the translate. They're
a little bit harder to read. But there are a
lot of personal accounts of people who have gone in

(14:56):
and claim to have missing time. You know, I went
in for an hour, realized I'd been gone an entire day,
that kind of situation. It's quite prevalent now whether or
not they're just pandering to the tails and want to
have like a little piece of the pie too. I
can't say for certain if what they're saying is absolutely true,
but it's quite prevalent if you go and check that out.

(15:21):
But I think what we could, what we should do
is really kind of go over all of the paranormal
and weird and high strangeness stuff that happens with it,
so everybody at home can kind of get an idea
of what kind of insanity we're looking at. You guys
want to like start listing because it's a list.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, it's I mean, there's all kinds of UFO sightings,
including back during the Cold War when it was against
the law to talk about UFOs and they would The
legal thought was if you saw something like that talked

(16:00):
about it, that you were a madman. And you know
there there's a military worker who reported and showed pictures,
and of course he lost his job. He can find
a job after that because they didn't trust him.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
We'll talk we'll talk a little bit more about him
in a little bit when we hit like the UFO,
because there is a huge backstory to him and the
other guy that took photoshly.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Cow is that the guy?

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Mm hmmm yeah, and more words I can't Yeah, So okay,
let's just list really quick so they can get they
can be amazed by what those places. It is high
strange sits through and through so people have strange symptoms
when they walk in. Apparently they get nausea, fatigue, anxiety, dizzyness,

(16:58):
They have a feeling of being watched, uh, failing electronics, batteries, draining,
weird lights, hauntings, ghosts, shadow figures, strange other worldly noises,
weird magnetic fields, electromagnetic phenomena, UFO encounters, strange creatures, wildlife
acting oddly or out of character, missing time, time slips,

(17:21):
weird burns, red marks on hands and skin, and a
multitude of other marks, yeah, claw marks, anything that you
can think of. One thousand and one stories to go
with it. Another interesting thing about about Hoya is the trees,
and it's one of the reasons why people were drawn

(17:43):
to this place in the first place. Now, if you
look at the trees on the very outside of the forest,
they're perfectly fine and normal with the area. But as
you get deeper into the forest and the closer you
get to the clearing that we discussed earlier, suddenly the
tree trees become very strange. They start bending and warping.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Here Marks pulled up a very good picture of this.
They have actually studied this for years trying to figure
out why the trees do this. Another interesting effect is
is that they all bend the same counterclockwise way. The
closer you get to that central circle.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
They have no idea, which is interesting because you know,
if you if it would be like a cataclysmic event,
you know, where it was just a boom, happened really fast,
they you wouldn't see the growth pattern. I mean, I'm
pointing at like you guys can see what I'm pointing at.
You know where it comes up straight just a little
bit and then has the big hook to it.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. It's just crazy in there.
See if that one, I hope that's not the one
I want.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
But yeah, they have those twisted trunks. It's really really strange.
And I know that some skeptics have said that it
could be due to environmental stress or poor soil conditions
that I.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Don't oil studies and they said that's totally normal.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, I don't see that at all.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Yeah, I will say I found when I was I
did a little bit extra research these last couple of
weeks to add on what Pam and I already done,
and I found a little bit more on that. I
actually found locals that had talked about apparently for hundreds
of years. The locals have said that that clearing and

(19:36):
you know, where nothing grows. It's absolutely not true. They said,
it's extraordinarily lush and full of wildflowers, but it's never
grown a tree inside of it, or a bush or
anything else other than grass and wildflowers. They call it
the kept. The clearing there is called the kept because

(19:57):
it's it looks as if it's always been kept kept
up to like be an opening for something. But they
don't know who's keeping it up and who's been doing
it for a hundred of years, hundreds of years. So
their theory there is actually that this is the aliens,
that that this is a spot for them and they
keep it cleared for their own designs.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Now, this is an old picture. More modern pictures are.
It's shrunk a little bit, but this is an old
picture of the the center.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
I was trying to find. The niaghbor put Poiana Rotunda
is what the locals call it, and it's called the
kept round meadow. Yeah round, but it's part of the
folklore in the area that that it's been kept by
something other than us for the for hundreds of years.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
It would be very easy to see from the sky,
you know.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, I think I've got a good more modern picture
of it someplace.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
The interesting part is the fact that the soil there's
nothing wrong with the soil.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Though there's nothing wrong.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
They said, it's absolutely lush, and yeah, you would think
if if you know, like Delfos Ring where they did
the soil samples, to this day, the soil is still contaminated,
and you would think if it was a case like
that that there would be some type of contamination somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, these days, it's got four wheeler tracks all through it.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Oh yeah, well yeah, it's a place that people love
to go camping and hiking and probably four wheeling now
that those are around. I think I saw a picture
of it in the snow and you could see the
four wheel tracks in the snow.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, the central it looks like it's kind of like
around about now.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, they've got trails through the through the forest, and
they all seem to go through the center part, which
has shrunk somewhat.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That's interesting, like maybe all the extra people are running
off whatever's keeping it. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
I also wonder the area is also known It's uh.
They found years ago one of the oldest settlements in
the area. It was a Neolithic settlement from sixty five
hundred BC, right there at the forest and everything. And
it makes you wonder if maybe that circle, if there

(22:34):
isn't something underneath of it, maybe some stone work or
something that we can no longer see.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
That could be rooms and houses from or uncovered in
the settlement were uncovered between nineteen sixty and nineteen ninety.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Four, So maybe there's something underneath of it we can't
see stone wise, maybe that doesn't allow trees to really
take root.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Right for a castle or a small fort like a
like a Roman for it, maybe, Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Would be interested to know if anybody had done any
like ground penetrating radar or anything like that before.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
That would be interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah. I want to say somebody was looking for graves there.
Maybe that might have been.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Probably trying to figure out if it was like a
sacred sight or something.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right, I mean that that makes sense. It could have
been a ritual site or something for that.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
And it makes me you know, I have a fascination
with harmonics. I wonder if there's something that could play
into that, you know, that would be you know, there's
some places where you can hear like the towels hum
and things like that. Maybe it's something that we can't hear,
but that would keep animals away too. Yeah, you know,

(23:58):
if it's if it's something odd like that.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
I mean, I don't think you're far off. So uh.
Adrian Patruet I think his name was patru He was
friends with one of the gentlemen who took photos of
the one of the famous UFOs there, and we'll talk
about him there in a second. But he actually is
still the main guy today. He's the one that knows

(24:22):
all the stuff and does the research. In fact, I
think he put a book out not extraordinarily long ago,
just on the forest itself, and he thinks it's all
about infrasound.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
It very well could be. Zo he had when we
were talking about the trees being been at odd angles.
You put in the comments I think I've bought two
before at Low's that came from those trees.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Maybe, right.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
So before we move on to the UFO stuff, let's
go through some of the haunted stuff, because I threw
some pictures in that Pam and I had used. There's
some creepy stuff going on in this place.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
There is, and you know some of the things while
you pull in those upmarks. Some of the things that
happen they have, like the sudden temperature drops when they
get near that area, which is really interesting. Like, yeah,
so they have multiple strange creatures.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Not to mention I said earlier when I was listing
out all the strange anomalist stuff that happens. They have
like regular animals that you would find in a Romanian forest,
but they will often do weird things like suddenly stand
up on their back legs and start walking towards you,
and they'll like say something in a in a human speech. So,

(25:42):
lord knows what that thing is hiding back there. It
could be like a dog man, it could be like
a bigfoot type of situation. Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, there's weird stuff out there, and there's some weird
pictures out of there.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
There is.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
There's tons of weird pictures. In fact, one of the
one of the legends to the places is that you
can go in and not see anything but take lots
of photographs. But if you hear they call it the
whispering children. You'll hear sounds like children playing or laughing
or talking, but it sounds like they're fur away, but

(26:17):
it's being kind of brought in on the wind. They say,
if you hear that while you're taking photos, something will
show up in your photo that you don't see in
front of you. And that's what a lot of these
photos supposedly are. I found this one. I thought it
was interesting. They were all excited about the orbs. I
could give a crap about the orbs. Well, I was
more interested in the smoky Yes, right, thing we're seeing

(26:40):
on the side if you're listening at home, it's a
photo of a very it's a very dark like nighttime
photo with an old tire in it and stuff like that.
But off to the side is a very wispy, very
bright white It almost has like a human shape, almost
like it almost.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Looks like a bipedal shape. Yeah, yeah, so we've got
the place. Is just crazy, it is.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
It's also known at could you pull up the picture
of the eyes. It's one of the things that's best
known for is the red, blue, and green eyes that
will shine back out at you and stare.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
This will be a little different because for some reason
I can't get it to pull up in images, So
all right.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
See if you can. It's one of the ones you'll
hear most about if you go reading up on personal stories,
is the feeling of being watched and then all of
a sudden you'll see these like red, bluer green eyes
just shining out at you from the darkness. There you nice, Yeah,
there we go. Careey, it is creepy.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
You can almost I mean, I'm sure it's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Of that's the word, like a werewolves.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, it really reminds me the first time I saw it.
It kind of freaked me out a little bit. It
reminded me of the Secret and Nim when the owl
is in the darkness before it steps out for the
first time and you just see those eyes.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
This you can almost see it almost a chin and
a mouth.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, it looks like a snout almost, or predator, I guess,
especially when you zoom out. It kind of looks sign
uh so.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, yeah, a peaker, yes, peaker h.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
All sorts of stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
There are there's some really when it comes to the
paranormal stuff. I mean, there's you know, we talked about
the sudden temperature drops. There's electronic device failure that happens consistently.
Compasses spin erratically, which is very interesting. Batteries on smartphones
will drain significantly faster than normal. Yes, you've got the

(29:05):
unexplained sounds. We kind of talked a little bit about that,
about the whispers and the but they'll also hear really
heavy footsteps circling you know, the area. And yeah, there's
visual anomalies that we were talking about.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, bad tons of like light anomalies, will of the wisp. Yeah,
don't follow them in type of situation. Don't follow them.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah, and you've got your your visual anomalies too, Like
there's the shadows, you see the figures moving in the
trees like we were talking about, and at the edge
of the flashlight beams, they'll see figures moving that they
can't just quite get a lock in on it. It
really reminds me that that I love the FAY, and

(29:54):
that's immediately where I go is suspected FAY activity. When
it comes to stuff like that, you've got the physical
effects too though. You know, you've got people will get
extremely dizzy and sick and get the feeling of being watched,
you know, which that can come with EMF. You know,

(30:14):
you can get that really creepy feeling that you're being watched. So,
I don't know, it's just really some wild stuff that I.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Would love to go and investigate. I mean, I'd even
camp there for a couple of days. And everybody, anybody
who knows me, knows my idea of roughing it is
now rending an RV. So I would be willing to
set up a tent and camp out there for a
couple of days just to see what shows up. Of course,
they might lose me forever but.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I'd be willing to hang out in the hotel and
keep in touch with you by radio to make sure
that it's all okay.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
During the day. Sacrifice for our investigational.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Always always willing to sacrifice herself for the greater good.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, you're sitting with her champagne in the hot Yeah,
send somebody right out.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
That's funny, right, my goodness.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
You want me to call the cop.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
I don't spa, but I'll do my best.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I can imagine her coming through on a walkie, like, hey, guys,
just so you know, Uh, there's something with red gluing
eyes just to the left of you. You might want
to get out of there, gray bye. Yeah, my pizzas here,
gotta go.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
You didn't hear that?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
And so said Pam's going to hang out with the
talking dog in the van. Absolutely, my goodness, it's hilarious.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
All right, Okay, So let's let's do some UFO because
this is this is where the brun of my information
is at. Some of the most famous UFO photos you
will remember seeing came from this clearing. Crazy enough you'll
recognize a couple of these. So what I'm going to

(32:16):
talk about first is the very first person, and it
wasn't a UFO so much as a huge light anomaly.
And frankly it could have been a UFO. They were
just catching it at the right angle. Did you want
to pull that up? There we go. So this was
taken back in nineteen fifty three by Alexandra Sift. Alexandrew Sift.

(32:39):
He was a biologist. He was actually attracted to the
forest at first because he wanted to study why the
trees were growing so weird. He was a biologist and
he was really interested in that. And one day he
grabbed his dad and was like, let's go all into
this forest and let's take a look at these and
take some photos and stuff like that. And they were

(33:01):
headed into the forest, and the deeper they got, the
weirder things got. And he actually wrote in his journal
and stuff what happened. So I'm just going to kind
of read a little bit. He described hearing a strange
sound that he described as teeth chattering traveling over some distance.
So it sounded like human teeth chattering at him, which

(33:22):
is weird. That's pretty sid Yeah, he said it got
louder the closer he got to the clearing, and soon
he began feeling unwell. He reported nausea and a headache,
and then he began hearing the voices of children giggling
and whispering. And that's what I was discussing before. People
hearing the whispering children sound. Apparently, that's kind of like

(33:46):
an omen in the area if you're getting too close
to the center, or if something's getting ready to go down,
kind of like the reverse of like the uh oh
my gosh, I just lost the name for it, when
everything goes quiet right before you see a UFO.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, timestorm kind of a situation, right.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
He began seeing the shadows of other men who were
began following him, and this is something else that Pam
mentioned earlier. This is something that happens. You'll see these
shadow people like right in your peripheral and they'll kind
of follow you in the tree line. So this started
happening to him and his dad. He began trying to
take pictures of them but failed, and at the clearing

(34:31):
he took his most famous picture of the giant light anomaly,
which Mark had just showed. I can't even I have
no idea, like I can't grasp measurement in the sky.
But that thing is flipping here.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, I really did.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
So after this photo he released this photo, he became
infatuated with the forest and he actually made the study
of it his life's work. That's what he did. Now,
this is where we're gonna go, all John Keel, this
is where things go haywire. So he spent his whole
life up until the nineties collecting hundreds of photos of

(35:11):
light anomalies and UFOs and things in the forest, and
he had years and years of research built up. But
he died in the mid nineties and exactly one week
after his death, someone broke into his home and stole
everything that had anything to do with Hoya Batchu and

(35:32):
left everything else. They didn't even touch his money, They
just volumes.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, highly suspicious. Uh huh, Like somebody knew something, Yeaven.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Harry John Keel, I might add, Lord knows the fantastic
photos and research that we are now that's now lost.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, that we could have had.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
So then later on we have a meal Barnya. I
think it's.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Barnier, is it Barnier, Barnia Barniera.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yeah, And he's the one that Mark mentioned earlier. He
was the military technician. He got his famous picture August eighteenth,
nineteen sixty eight. He was actually not even there to
study anything. He was there having picnics with friends, having
a picnic in the clearing. So apparently it's not shady
all the time, or shady feeling, I guess. So he

(36:40):
actually went off to collect some wood, and while he
was gone, he said, he's got a very strange feeling.
Everything went very very quiet. He couldn't hear the birds
in the insects. So Ufo would come in and then
he heard his girlfriend, who was there with him, scream,
come and look at this, and he goes running back out,
and then he sees the very famous photo that market

(37:06):
thrown up.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
There, trying to get it come up on an image file.
Let's try get well.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
While he's doing that, I'm gonna keep talking about it, Okay,
So the first one is it?

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
The second one was taken by him later on that
The first one is the very famous one.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
That's the one that ended up in the newspapers, didn't it.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
So they said it actually stayed there for a little
bit and it was moving. They said they watched it
move and it would twist in the sky and it
was completely quiet. They said, it never made a sound,
and uh, they watched it for a couple of minutes
and then it suddenly shot off at incredible speed and disappeared.

(37:56):
I will make mention and I have a little note
to myself here this ship. A lot of people claimed
it was just a weather balloon, like they always do.
But it looks nearly identical to what the famous one
they took in Santa Ana, California by Rex Heflin in
uh nineteen sixty five. And I threw, I gave you

(38:17):
a picture of that one too, Mark. Yeah, it looks
an awful like that one. This is another very famous
one too, by the way. Yeah, so not long after
he released these photos, he started getting visited by strangely

(38:40):
dressed people. Here we go ageat Yeah that he said,
had many strange questions. And then after they got done
with him, he got taken in by the military, you
know that he was working for at the time, and
the military officers grilled him some more about it and

(39:00):
then forced him to hand over all of his photos
and said, well, we'll give them back to you when
we're done. We just need to do a little research.
And of course he never saw those and the next
day they fired him. They were like, you're out, You're
not in the military anymore.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Ooh yep, yeahang yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
And then to top it off, to make it even worse,
is that from then on out, those same military people
that had been his friends sort of discounting not only him,
but any kind of information like that that came out
of the Hoya Bachu area. And he continued to do
some work on it, and they just kept shooting it
down as much as they could. And you know, there

(39:42):
you go, the military involvement again. What's what's that all about?
What they have on it that they need to keep quiet?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Right exactly? Let's see, I think I've got another one
of those pictures.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Yeah, there's a few of pictures that were taken by
Sift over the years, and some by Adrian Patruott that
I was talking about earlier. Adrian Patruott kind of took
over for Sift. He was best friends with Sift. He
did a lot of that original research with him, and
he kind of took over the reins when Sift died

(40:21):
in the nineties. And like I said, now he's kind
of the guru of the Batche Forest and he did
a book back in ten or twenty years ago. I
cannot pronounce it, and I'm not going to even try.
It's long and scary. Just look up his name, Adrian
Patrutt A d r I A in p A t

(40:42):
r u T. Look up his book and see if
you maybe you can find a translation of it. But yeah,
some of these crazy pictures, I will say I did
make note all the ones that I sent have been confirmed.
They have gone through screw utany, both the original pictures
and their negatives, and every one of them that we've

(41:05):
shown tonight were claimed to have been real. At least
whatever object was being photographed was in the air when
they photographed it. Now, whether or not it's an actual
UFO or I don't know. They threw a frisbee in
the air, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It was an object.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
There was an object in the air. It's it's original.
Part of the negatives.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, it's not photoshop. It's well before photoshop existed.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Classic flying saucer.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Yes, that that looks a lot from that angle, that room,
like that California one.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
You know what it looks like to me just glancing
at it. And obviously it's not it looks like like
a blood cell, like a white platelet root it.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
I thought it looked like one of those like Derby hats. Yeah,
like or like the barbership barbershop quartet singers would wear.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Oh yeah, the little flat straw hats with the little brims.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, more like this.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
That other picture you had earlier really looked like, Yes,
that one, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
It really pictures look a lot like if you were
to flip it back upon its edge. I think that
those would be almost identical.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah. So yeah, In fact, I believe that they call
this one the pie pan.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, except it's not shaped like
any pie pan I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
It's a deep dish.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
And I think it was interesting that it was taken.
I think it was only two years earlier.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
The mcmenville photo. I saw a.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Let's see here, where was it taken at?

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Did you see what ends? O posted the mcmnville mcmonville this.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
So this one was taken in Santa Ana, California, on
August third, nineteen sixty five, So two years earlier or
a three three years earlier?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
So where's my notes? I lost my notes there?

Speaker 5 (43:21):
I was telling them like I have notes all over
the place because I have our original notes from our show,
and then I did research a few weeks ago when
we were supposed to do this originally, and then we
couldn't have it, so I kind of put them away,
and then today I decided to kind of like refresh
myself a little bit, and I just went kind of
looking for fun and I found more information to date.
So I've got like notes everywhere all over the place,

(43:45):
and I need I need to consolidate them.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I mean, with spot really as much stuff as goes
on there, we could we could probably break it down
into sections and do a whole show on each section.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
It would be I mean, there's so much you've got it.
It's like it's a little new to Triangle. You know,
you've got your your vanishing people. You've got your time anomalies,
You've got your your ghosts and your cryptids and your UFOs.
She got a little bit of everything here. You get
your electromagnetic disturbances. Yeah, an unusual the unusual tree, the

(44:27):
tea growth. The tree growth is really interesting.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
And that trees, Uh, they have a burnt tree phenomenon too,
that happens apparently they'll walk in and in the distance
the trees will look like they're horribly burnt and disfigured.
But the closer you get, they start to write themselves
again and they start to look like normal trees.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
That's weird.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Nothing normal about any of these trees.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
No, there's nothing normal about the entire place. I can't imagine.
Like a lot of people, if you read online, they're like, oh,
it's all just a hoax. They said it. Yeah, there's
some of the weird trees. Check that out. Yeah it
looks it's crazy. They're like, oh, they just made that
up for tourism and this and that. But I cannot
imagine that this much has come out of this place.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
They didn't make that for money.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Definitely not. But you're right, look at that last picture
of the trees that you had at Mark. That's not normal.
I mean, you wouldn't expect to see that anywhere. And
I look at it. It's covered in moss and it's
obviously old. It's been like that for a very long time.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
It's bizarre.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
It's very still grow it's crazy. It's like it it was.
It's like something it was exposed to something that looks
like the flipping.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
It looks like the trees out of Lord of the
Rings that you know, like can come to life and
yes and walk around.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Yeah, it doesn't look like doesn't it because that looks
like a weird hand and dance.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah, like one's helping the other one get up or something. Yeah,
so strange.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
It's pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, the whole place is just bizarre.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
So if you're listening to this, I would highly encourage
you to go check it out on YouTube so you
could see the pictures that we're talking about, because they're fascinating.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Honestly, there is a ton of YouTube videos about this place.
Josh Gates I think, has gone there maybe twice.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
At least, yeah, at least twice.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
So there's like whole ass episodes that to go watch.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
I'll never forget his face when the when the roof
of the plane rips off that He's like, I would die.
I would just have I would.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Have a face. Yeah, i'd have a face too. I'd
be like, yeah, not be good.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I mean, I'll a lot of the trees are like this,
m so.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
But not all of them. Look at the trees on
the left, See they're pretty relatively straight and they don't
look that much younger at least the the trunks aren't
that much thinner, and some of the other ones that.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Are bent, like, I have no idea why they would
do that.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
You know, we do see a phenomena in I know
it's in the Ozarks for sure, of different tribes that
had physically bent trees and tied them down to make
them point towards water or towards some kind of landmark.
But they don't look anything like this, nothing like this.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
And I will add so like there's other sections of
the forest where this is happening, but higher up in
the tree. So the trees straight at the bottom, and
then suddenly it bends like this dramatically, you know, up
towards the canopy of the tree. So and they all
turn this same counterclockwise turn. They're all facing the same way.

(48:01):
There has got to be something to it, magnetic maybe
or yeah, you can see this creepy.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Yeah, it's it's almost like it's almost like how plants
will grow towards the sun and if you turn the plant, it'll,
you know, go the other way. It's like that, except
it's since it's a branch or a trunk, it doesn't turn,
it doesn't completely twist back it's just like.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I'm going to say, wrong time of the day. It
would just give you this like, so.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
If you ever think of a place where you would
step into ferry, that's what it would That's what I
anticipated would look like that right there, I would envision that.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
I did do my research and it does not fall
on a lay line, but interestingly enough, it falls dead
center in the middle of a triangle made by three
active lay lines. So oh wow, Yeah, there's three way
lines that make a triangle and it is right in
the center.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So that could be it could be a triangle phenomenon.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Maybe they do call it the Romanian triangle.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
So and a lot of triangle phenomenon have these sort
of these sort of uh yeah, you got got cryptis,
you've got disappearances, reappearances, lost time, time slips, everything right

(49:31):
there in the middle.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
And you've got that thing that excuse me, grabbed. I
want to say it was I want to say it
was Josh's producer. I can't remember if he was a
producer or not, but whatever it was, he was grabbed
and slung backwards and that, Yeah, it's crazy. There's a
picture of him. I know. They have a still off
of the the footage and you can see, I mean

(49:52):
you can see him he's like back then flipped going backwards.
It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Yeah, I think you can see a snippet of on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Oh I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Let me look and see if there's still on this
page that I have here. There might be.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Yeah, but hoyabout you holy cow.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Yeah, I mean I would totally go on trip to
go there. Of course, i'd also have to go see.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Uh uh Draculus Castle.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Draculus Castle.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Well, and some of the older cities there are just
absolutely breathtaking. So I mean, I'm kind of an architecture
nerd too.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
So there it is. See that's his feet where he
was setting crisscross applesauce. See his ankles are still over
top of each other. But look at his arms and
everything are pulled backwards and he's getting slung backwards. That
light in his chest was his flashlight that was sitting
in his lap.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
He was just jerked right off his feet and flung backwards. Yeah,
pretty wild.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Horribly haunted, horribly haunted, And I will it's much like
it's not as bad we talked about the suicide forest
before in Japan. This one is slowly becoming that way too.
They're having issues.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
We stop sharing my notes, but.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
We're having trouble people with people going in there too,
un alive themselves, unfortunately, so well, probably a.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Little hard to do, and all kinds of stuff that
this place has been known to generate. I wonder if
that has anything to do with it. It may have
always been a little bit that way.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
You could just know it could just absolutely be a
thin place, you know, between dimensions, could be a portal,
the same thing as a thin place, but you know,
maybe not exactly the same, but similar.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
I know one thing we forgot occasionally apparently, and it's
never been caught because it happens so quickly. Occasionally, a
huge flash of light will come out from that center
area and light the entire forest in the middle of
the night. But it only lasts maybe like a half
a second. It's there and then it's gone. But yeah,

(52:29):
they say so bright. Yeah, it lights everything up around
it like daytime.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
So it's just like a massive flash.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
A massive flash just out and then it's gone.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
That's interesting, Yeah, and not often enough somebody could catch
it on film, you.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Know, what I mean, what happens? You know how you've
got the usos that go underwater. It's almost like it's that,
except it's going through the earth. Right there are coming
blasting out of it, one or the other coming blasting out.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That may be a portal. Hell, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
That's where they go in and out at Maybe.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
I wonder if that's what causes some of the trees
to bend like that reperus off of it.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
See, that's what I want to do.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I couldn't bend.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
They don't all bend, But they also I mean they
say they've been more the closer you get to the circle,
But they don't say what do they bend towards the
direction of Like are they bending towards it or are
away from away from it? Or you know, to the side.
Are they all pointing like one way, like making you know,
creating like a pointing circle around you. I don't know.

(53:43):
They never mention which way. They just say they all
bend the same way in groupings.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
But we're going to come away with this with more
questions than we always do for sure?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Is that our thing? Yes, it is, it's our you know,
I personally am not here to try to solve all
the mysteries of the universe. I just like to point
out that there are mysteries in the universe and everybody
should be looking, and they're fascinating. They are.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
They are there, And there's so many more forests than
just this one. Like, I have a list of about
fifteen ish or so across the world that have high
strangeness in them. We've discussed a few of them before.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Well, but why don't we, uh pick one or two
more off that list, some of the more famous ones.
We could just call this the forest series.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Oh nice, I like that.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So because we had the Jaru or however you pronounce it,
and then the Sea of Trees, and you know we've
had we bought you. We can do one or two more.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
There's plenty of them. We can talk about the Mark
Twain Forest, which is kind of like right next to us.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, we should go there. It's not that far.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
It has the uh the hidden the hidden cave in
it that the Indians supposedly protect that's full of gold
and stuff from brought up from the Maya and the Aztecs,
and supposedly it's kind of like their library of Alexandra,
like all of the tribes. Information is held within it,

(55:37):
and it's kind of like you hear about, like people
go in after like the Gold and Arizona and stuff
like that. If you get too close, the black trucks
show up, Oh yeah, with guys with guns and they
won't let you passed and all this other stuff. And
it's the same story there. The Indians will pop out
of the woodwork and be just like, you don't need

(55:58):
to be here.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
That's inter gone. Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
That's a super interesting place and all the Oh my goodness,
we might have to like bring in some dark Ozarks
people for that one.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Yeah, that would be cool.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
There you go. Why don't we do Mark Twain and
call that the end of our forest series because it
is close. We do know some people who know stuff
about it.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Maybe we can get an interview. It may not be
the immediate next episode, but let's do it soon, because
there is weird stuff in Mark Twain forest.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Holy cow, there is that's deep in the deep in
the Ozarks.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yes, that's feeling. That's feeling like a field drip.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
Yeah, I would agree, it's not that far. I bet
you we could get on board with us.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Yeah, yep, Like I said, we could rent a camp
or that's my idea of roughing it.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I don't even do that, so you know, no.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I mean, I'm sure we could find cabins too.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
So oh, Chris said, Mark Twain National Forest is thirty
miles from where her mom lived with her folks. Yeah,
her mom lived with her folks. Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Yeah, I will say, like Pam and I drove through
there on our way to Kentucky when we went to
go visit pat fits you and you have no idea
how tall those trees are until you're right up against them.
They were dorm sky high, mountain like mountainous looking trees.
So I remember Jans. I can't imagine what it would
be like walking through there.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Yeah, and it's interesting. You know, who was I telling
somebody I was talking about Kansas where they think that
it's so flat and there's just nothing anywhere. When oh
it was it was at the Paranormal Club meeting that
we had Saturday. You know, people think that Kansas is
flat and there's no way cryptids could be anywhere because

(58:13):
it's nothing but wheat fields. Couldn't be further from the truth.
There are nooks and cranny western everywhere, and this is
kind of a little more flat. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
You get out past which John Hutchinson, Yeah, it gets
pretty flat, but I.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Wouldn't call it flat. I would call it rolling. Yeah,
it's very rolling, but you can see a long ways.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Yeah. I always say, like people don't realize that the
part of Kansas that we're in right on the very corner,
the southeast corner of Kansas, and we are literally on
the tail end of the Ozarks. We still have a
lot of that rocky outcropping sand hill kind of stuff.
In fact, the sand hills that we always talk about
and then the Osage Hills below that. It's the very

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very end of that Ozark mountainous range, that last little
trailing section of it. So in our area we have hills,
and I mean we live in a valley. Our town
is named Kney Valley. We live in a valley surrounded
by h sand hills and limestone and all sorts of stuff.

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So we even have some gypsum in the area.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
So yeah, we got all kinds of stuff around here. Yeah,
so we do, we do all right. So I don't
have a whole lot more. Do you guys have anything
more we want to talk about?

Speaker 5 (59:47):
No, I think we hit the We hit the big stuff. Yeah,
crazy stuff. Go, of course, go do your own research,
take a look at it. If you find something we didn't,
you know, let us know about it.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
We'll we'll talk about all kinds of documentaries out there
on it. I really recommend if you want to creep
yourself out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Oh, it looks like we have somebody new in them.
We have Gregory Kraft Hello for the Appalachian Mountains to
talk about some creepy backways.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Stuff creep.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
There so uh, that could be its own podcast just
that topic. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I'm sure there's tons of them on it already too.
That would be a fun episode.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
That would be fun some of that. Thank you for
stopping by and listening to our live Gregory. We hope
you have enjoyed our little chat, and please stop by
again and participate in the chat. We we we appreciate
the feedback as we go along and questions. We love

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questions for sure, Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Well, before we leave, we should should we talk about
Kansas UFO day really quick?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
You can't talk about that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
Yeah? So July fifth, I believe it is right. The
first Saturday of July. Geneseo, Did I say it right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Geneseo, genesee Yay, genesee O Yay.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
A little tiny town Kayak called Geneseo, Kansas. They host
the Big Kansas UFO Day Festival there. It'll be on
the fifth UH and we're going to be there giving
a couple of panels. We're going to be talking about
the nineteen seventy or eighteen seventy eight Kansas or the

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UFO flap, the airships. We're going to be talking about
the Kansas UFO Triangle. We're going to do a Q
and A session in the afternoon. We're going to talk
a little about what it is we do and allow
every he'd ask questions about anything, not just UFOs. So
that'll be fun. They have vendors and food people and
a parade and big that the chalk art contest, and

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the museum will be open. The museum is packed full
of fantastic forties, fifties, sixties, and seventies UFO memorabilia. Oh
my gosh, it's so much fun. Just just to go
into the museum is worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I love this. Yeah, yeah, there so much stuff packed
in such a tiny space in that place. It was
the doctor's house. Uh, back in doc Jensen back in
the fifties, and he was into anything. He was a
medical doctor. I believe he had a chiropractor certificate CPA.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
He wrote and read Burrell.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Pians of Stuff. Yeah, he wrote Red Braill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
The guy was very intelligent.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
He had an absolute fascination with UFOs and he would
This was back in the forties and fifties when you
didn't have you know, you couldn't just call someone on
the phone. A lot of people didn't have phones. You
had to like physically travel to them. And he spent
a lot of his time traveling to these people that
he heard had sightings, and he would take his a

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reel to reel basically and record them talking. And so
there's tons of these real to reels that David zurfis
Jim Gray's friend. That's that's over the Kansas UFO day.
He has been spending his time getting those transferred over
onto like audio files, yeah, and digitally digitizing them. And

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they're fascinating because you can hear the people talk in
the way people talk then, and it was just it's
just so neat to hear and it's grainy and scratchy
and very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
And if you can't get to Geneseo, maybe you can
get to our para con in September where Jim Gray
will be doing a presentation. He's going to play some
of those audio recordings for us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
So and if you're not in the area, like I
know our friend Sylvain, he's not anywhere near us. We
are going to livestream those too, so if you want
to tune in, you can watch them on live stream.
They'll be available for rewatch later too on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, and we'll get that information out a little closer
to time for everybody and post it. We can post
it up on the water If Tomorrow media and what
If Tomorrow podcast pages and uh, we can post that
up on border Town Strange. Absolutely remind everybody how to

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get to those lives. And uh, we actually have more
people watch the lives and the recordings than we do
actually show up. I would love to have everybody who
watches lives show up, but we wouldn't be able to
fit them all in the venue.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
No, we definitely couldn't. But it's fun, be fun to try.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, we we do, we do. Uh, broadcast that for
everybody to enjoy. And it is free, yes, just like
you have to day in Geneseo. It is a free event.
Show up with your family. Uh and ours is up

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if you want. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Yeah, they have a parade and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
So so it'll be a lot of fun. Both both
the events will be a lot of fun, good time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
Ah, please show up and so I said free my
favorite thing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Yeah, and there too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
He will be there, Fashion Icon and podcast Legend.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
The majority of our team will be there, so the
three of us will be there.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
In so will be there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Scotty's planning on being there. So yeah, yeah, it would
be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
A good time will be had by all. Absolutely not
to mention our marathon of uh games in the evening.
Oh lord, yeah, hard against humanity. It shouldn't call crimes
against humanity. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
It was rough.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
We may have had too much to drink and too
much hard game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Just saying telling on us, Jess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Maybe that's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
We weren't driving, we weren't at the festival drunk. No,
it was the evening. You know, we've finished our job
for the day and it was time to relax. So
we may we may have had some pizza and libations.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
And so may need a second bottle of whiskey.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Potentially make that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
We can't make that happen. We can't keep honey. We
should live stream that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Oh god, no, oh lord, we'll lose all of our viewers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
They'll be like a whole bunch of the other.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Oh no, if anybody gets their phone out to do
a live I'm taking it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
So yeah, not good shots for the Q and a
every wrong answer we drink. Oh that would be bad,
It would be bad.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Oh so bad. All right, Yeah, the trip face palm
and it's bad. All right, guys. Well, I don't have
a munch much else. If you guys are are good,
we will we will say good night, farewell viets in.

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I'm sure there's a song in this company, are you sure?
I'm not sure of anything. It got really hot today.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
It was very hot. I'm sorry you were stuck in that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, no, kid, it's the humidity. And I felt very
much like that frog in a pot of water. It
just kept getting hotter and hotter and hotter, and I'm
pretty sure I was just about boiled.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah. I went from air conditioner to air conditioner today.
That's all I did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Sounds like a plan. Yeah, sounds like a plan. All right, guys, Well,
I like to wish everybody good night, and we will
see you next time on on the Fringe. And what
are you guys going to talk about on border Town Strange?
On next Wednesday, we're.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Gonna do the second part of Omens and Harbingers and
all of that jazz. We we got so much information
there was no way to pack it into one show.
We may not be able to pack it into two shows.
We're gonna sit down.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, we're gonna try.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
I can't wait. So tune in next Wednesday to.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
This Wednesday, but a week from Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
A week from Wednesday, and enjoy. Yeah, they're they're pretty awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
We're pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
It's found to happen. I have that effect on people.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Fe you do, sir, you do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Welcome to crazy Town otherwise otherwise known as the what
If Tomorrow and on the Fringe podcast. Yeah, all right, everybody,
have a good night. We'll just keep chatting if you
if you'll at us, So y'all have a good night,
and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
Not every night,