Majestic 12

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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it doesn't sound like what we normally have here.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
That's all right, it's good music. I liked it. And
what we're talking about tonight, we've actually talked about on
What If Tomorrow when we had our various conspiracy theory shows,
because there are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding this subject.

(01:26):
Whether you believe in it or not, uh that that's
up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
A really super interesting subject. And there's a lot of
rabbit holes, and we're going to try to stay off
the rabbit holes, but you know, we know how that goes, So.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
I'll just call.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Some of those rabbit holes. So let's talk about what
Majestic twelve is. Majestic twelve according to the government, is
never existed, but supposedly after Roswell, a group of individuals

(02:17):
were put together by the government to investigate and or
cover up information about the Roswell crash and then later
crashes or pardon me, UFO sightings and whatnot. So, and

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there's been a lot of movies and stuff that made
mention of it. Now the FBI claims that Majestic twelve
never existed and that all the documents that have supposedly
come online are fake. Although there are two known actual

(02:59):
documents that reference the Majestic twelve program in the National Archives,
there's nothing I mean there, They just mentioned them. So
at some point this was a government program or group,

(03:22):
but any information about it has seemingly evaporated, as you know,
all really fun government programs do true true. So, and
there's also the conspiracy theory that Majestic twelve and the

(03:46):
CIA were responsible for the Kennedy assassination, which is one
of the weirder conspiracies. But I mean, I can see
Kennedy at the time, I'm was wanting to cooperate with
the Russians to put a man on the moon, not

(04:06):
a separate thing. He wanted to work together, and they
wanted to share. He wanted to share information. So I
can see why that might upset quite a few people
in the the security divisions of our government. So is

(04:27):
it true. I don't know, but it's a fascinating it's
fascinating subject sot around about it. The original members of
this this group were actually some fairly well known and

(04:54):
very intelligent people. So if you were looking for twelve
people to put on a panel to investigate this stuff,
those at least half of those probably would have been
on there, and the other half seem like viable candidates.
So that makes it extra interesting because at least if

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you're going to make up a conspiracy theory, you should
pick up you should try to pick on people who
you know would be experts in that field. So I
am sorry for all the coffin. I'll booze up as
the show goes on. No medicinal. Uh yeah, it's coughs heure,

(05:48):
mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
What we're calling it?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Two is my limit? I get an upset stomach. So
I mean you're not going to see anything too fun?

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Yeah, I limit myself to two bottles myself soles.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Okay, well, I mean two shots is enough to make
me sick for a couple hours, So we're going to
avoid that.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
Well, you already mentioned a few interesting things already by
summoning JFK there at the end, which, of course we
may find out more.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
And there are.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
A few loose connections through other inner you know, linked documents,
as you mentioned, but you know direct evidence, and that
squabble has been going on ever since all that stuff
came out. So with the release of more JFK stuff
coming soon, there might be a little bit more about
Majestic twelve mixed up in that.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
There might be, And I am going to go out
on a limb and say, either everything that gets released
is going to be totally redacted, or we're going to
find out that certain former members of our government may

(07:10):
or may not have been involved. I personally think that
there's something fishy going on there. What it is, I
don't know if it was Majestic twelve, the CIA, or
you know, the Federal Reserve. Who knows. Because he was

(07:31):
actually looking at going back on the gold standard, which
also upset quite a few people. And honestly, I'm just
gonna be honest with you, I can see the financial
sector pulling that crap before I can see, you know,
Majestic twelve or this guy doing because money. Money is

(07:59):
the big motivator and in a lot of these these
scandals that we see, yeah, I mean, so anyway, let's
get started on on Majestic twelve. They're an interesting bunch
of guys. We had Lloyd Berkner, he was a physicist

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and engineer. Death lev Wolf Bronc. He was a scientist,
a teacher, and administrator president of Johns Hopkins University. So

(08:42):
he wouldn't be somebody you might want to tap for
some shenanigans. Van Ever, Bush people really had cool names.
What happened to all these cool names? He was an engineer,
inventor and science Adminis Trader who was headed the Office

(09:03):
of Scientific Research and Development in World War Two and
was responsible for a lot of military R and D.
James Forrestall, the last cabinet level United States Secretary of
the Navy and the first United States Secretary of Defense.

(09:26):
Another very powerful intelligent guy. Gordon Ray, who was an
attorney and government official. And we know everybody knows that
attorneys you don't trust him. Sorry to Gordon Ray, I

(09:46):
just had to have the attorney joke Roscoe, Henry Hill,
and Cotter Well. I mean these names, these are great
third director of the post World War two United States
Central Intelligence Group and third Director of the Central Intelligence DCI,

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and the first director of the Central Intelligence Agency. So
I mean, right now we're getting into the CIA connections
and stuff right there, Jerome Hunkster Huntsecker, Sorry, you might
be at your limit on drinks already. Mark, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:34):
Right well, I mean, is he cursing them out? I'm
not sure yet.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I have trouble with English, you know, on any day.
American naval officer, aeronautical engineer. I mean, these guys all
seem like plausible picks or something like this. Donald Howard
Menzel theoretic astronomer and astrophysicists, the first in the United States.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
He discovered the physical properties of the solar chromosphere and
the chemistry of stars, the atmosphere of Mars, and the
nature of gaseous nebula. This guy was on it. Yep.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
He was using the color of light to determine what
actually was in the atmosphere of the planet, our planet,
the Sun, all of that stuff. It was a pretty
pretty forward leaning astronomy wise.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
For back then.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Robert Miller Montague, Lieutenant generally United States Army. You know,
Sydney Sours, American military intelligence officer, the first to hold
the office of Director of Central Intelligence and be head
of the Central Intelligence Group and direct the direct predecessor

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of the CIA. So, I mean, we're seeing a lot
of important guys on this list. So Nathan Farragat Twining
was the United States Air Force General, the chief of
Staff of the United States Air Force from nineteen fifty
three to fifty seven, which was, you know, right in

(12:19):
the you know, the big UFO flap. So he would
have been aware of a lot of this information from
stuff like Blue Book and well.

Speaker 7 (12:31):
The Air Force came into being in nineteen forty seven.
What else happened in nineteen forty seven you got your
roswell and immediately followed up by the creation of the CIA.
I'm sure there's no connection there.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
I am sure there's no connection whatsoever with that. I was.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
I was gonna say, like, I got really stuck on
investigating the members, and I started kind of looking into
their backgrounds, what led them up to forty seven, and
then what happened to them after forty seven? And there
is huge leaps across the board. Some of these military
guys were just military guys. They didn't have a whole

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lot of schooling behind them. There wasn't a whole lot
going on. And then forty seven happens, and then within
the next few years there suddenly advisory panels to the
president and their you know, Secretary of Defense, and all
of them across the board, even the ones that had
fantastic beginnings, you know, super smart, genius type people working

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at MIT and running aeronautics and stuff. Forty seven happens,
and then all of a sudden, they all have these
large scale jobs within the defense. Yeah, what is it
in ACA? What was it before it was NASA?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Oh yeah, in ACA.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Yeah, a lot of them were in that. And I
just found it amazing that across the board, all twelve
of them were very much like that. They had this
normal sequence and then forty seven happens, and then suddenly
they had all these very grand, large scale types of
things within our government and outside of our government too.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
It's almost like they were caught together.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's somewhat suspicious. And the last guy's white. Vandenberg, United
States Air Force general, served as the second chief of
Staff of the Air Force and the second director of
the second Central Intelligence. So a lot of intelligence guys here,
a lot of guys who weren't in intelligence before. They yeah,

(14:31):
you know, all of a sudden, well I'm in intelligence now. Yeah,
I'm in poor intelligence, black intelligence. But yeah, intelligence, I
haven't found it yet in.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
A post World War two world because we're only talking
a few years separating at uh, with the creation of
the the going from the Army Air Forces to just
their own separate entity as the Air Force, and then
the creation of CIA. So secrecy and spying on our
neighbors apparently is much more important after World War Two

(15:13):
than it was during. I guess they needed their own
setup that there was certainly in forty seven, this shaking of.

Speaker 6 (15:22):
The box of what the norms were for how the
military and.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
Our basically our spy networks and secrecy levels and things
like that got cranked up to eleven in nineteen forty seven.
So you've got now this disparate group of people, you know,
scientists and military leaders and.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Attorneys attorneys strangely enough, yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:50):
Where now, Yeah, you've got this group that is now
loosely connected to possibly one of the greatest secrets humanities
ever know and keeping it quiet.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Right, Yes, so, yeah, it's pretty fascinating stuff. Now, Supposedly
the Majestic Group took over all the projects that were
under the mk Ultra umbrella, which was mind control experiments.

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For those of you who have not watched one of
our conspiracy shows, the mk Ultra program was pretty much
directly responsible for the unibomber. He was a victim of
their snatching grabs where they used prostitutes and female agents

(16:55):
posing his prostitutes to bring young men off the street
and apply them with LSD and other psychotropics and try
their hand at mind control. And we all know what
happened with the unifarmer.

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Yeah, unlike some of the other things that we do
talk about, there is actually quite a bit of direct
evidence that mk Ultra was a real thing and was
very barbaric in the way that they treated these people,
you know, mostly you know vagrant you know, homeless people
or runaways and stuff like that, literally grabbed off of

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the street and strapped up to a table and just
pump full of drugs and just to see how they react.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
That kind of thing. It was horrific.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
No, yeah, and see then this is the thing that
makes conspiracy theories so popular and prevalent in our society
is because a lot of these conspiracies are and were real,
and our government, while not as bad as some was,

(18:06):
had caught with her hand in the cookie jar doing
horrendous things to American citizens. I mean, we had the
Tuskegee experiments, we had the US Navy shelling San Francisco
with biological matter to see how diseases spread, you know,

(18:30):
just dumb shit like that. I don't know why anybody
would think most of these things were good ideas. But
I had a psychology professor once tell me, and this
was about corporations. Won't go into the argument that we

(18:51):
were having, but he said, all corporations, if you were
to judge them as you would a human being, are
are psychotic. They they they're multiple personality syndrome, the whole
nine yards, because there's so many voices with so many
different ideas, and they don't always mesh well. And that's

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why big corporations do stupid stuff. Well, I'm going to
tell you that it's the same reason the government does
stupid stuff. Too. Many people want their want their little
pet idea to go and some of these people need
to be locked up.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Look at some of the crap that gets hooked into
bills that shouldn't be hooked into bills.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Some of these people need to be in jail, and
some of these people need to be in the looney bin,
just flat out nuts. And you know. So that's why
people believe stuff like this man was majestic twelve reel.
I have to say that since there's documents that reference
it in the Federal archive, that it was real. Was

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it about UFOs quite possibly, amongst other things? Amongst other things.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
Yeah, even if it wasn't that, Even if, like you know,
the list of names you gave and all that stuff
isn't exactly accurate, I could source assuming that you had
something like Roswell where you've got or just UFOs in general.
How to keep a tight lid on all of that
stuff so that the people that the Russians don't think

(20:35):
we got something that they want to try and steal
or find out all these things, you would have you
would create a group like that she tried, Yeah, exactly,
So there's there's a rationale there.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Yeah, for that group just to exist.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Those would be the kind of credentials you would be
looking for for such a group. Uh so, and and
that lends some credence to it. Now, the government, the FBI,
I've got a link and we can post it on here,
the FBI records vault. They come out and say it's
absolutely fraudulent. But then they showed documents. They've got PDFs

(21:16):
of documents on here that are heavily redacted. So my
question is, why would you redact documents aren't real?

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, if they're totally bogus, like they wrote across in
great big letters, bogus, because that makes it bogus.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know, this is the question I want to know.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
Why would you the forms you're looking for?

Speaker 8 (21:44):
I mean, not to mention the fact. Okay, So they
came out. They re like re emerged supposedly in the
late eighties, like an eighty seven or something like that.
Timothy Good was the one that claimed. He was like, hey,
I've got these papers and it says there's a is
this you know, m J twelve and stuff. Why would
anybody in the eighties want to fabricate something. A lot

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of the gentlemen who were in it were in the
Majestic twelve. We're still alive at the time, and they
had attorneys in there, So why would you openly, you know,
like throw that out there and throw them under the
bus if it wasn't real, if you just made it up.
And we were like, oh, I know how, I'll get
my ass thrown in jail.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Exactly, And it's a wonder that that's not what happened.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Yeah, well, you know, they they tamped it down real fast,
so you know, oh it's fake.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, they did immediately, you know, was cut and pasted. Yeah,
and they tried to what they said about one of
when they found the copy of it, I see if
I can find that because oh, a sensational confirmation of
their validity seemed to come to light when a third
end signed document was found in the National Archives and

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it was day to July fourteenth, nineteen fifty four, and
it read the President has decided that MJ twelve SSP
briefing should take place at an already scheduled White House
meeting blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so it goes
through there and they're like, well, this absolutely had to
be true because it was in a classified box in

(23:21):
a classified vault. Well, then they come back and say, well,
only you know, if MJ twelve is an inside job,
you know, then this isn't true. And you know that
was their big thing. Well it was an inside job
at that point. That's why it's not true. But then
they also come back and say that they thought it

(23:41):
was a fake because that particular document the Archives issued,
let me find it. I'm sorry, I'm trying to read
and talk at the same time, and I'm not doing
a very good job of it.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I understand, I have problems reading and speaking and walking
and speaking.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Here it is okay. So the only document referring to
MJ twelve in the folder in question, there was only
this one, and the marking said top secret restricted information,
and that marking was not used during the Eisenhower administration,
is what they were saying. That it only came into
use at the National Security Council under Nixon. So I

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don't know what do you guys think about that?

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Have you heard ya or a on that it could
have been marked after the fact?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
It could have been. That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I mean, a lot of stuff gets classified after the fact.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
That's a very good point.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
Actually, did you see the did you read about the
the typed I in the third document.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Where they thought maybe it stood for Eisenhower eyes only.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
No, So there's some kind of a weird thing going
on about whether they we're trying to prove that the
document wasn't real by saying it was too late, that
it wasn't early enough to have been from that era.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Oh you mean that typewriter, I yeah, that's the character.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
There was like a raised eye I think, or maybe
it was a Z. I think it was an I.
It was a little raised above everyone and everything else.
And they actually went back to one of the gentlemen
who actually worked in the you know, the building or
whatever where they you know, typed all that stuff out
or all those went into files and everything, and they
asked him about it, and he was like, I can

(25:31):
actually tell you the typewriter that one came off of.
We used to have trouble with that one because it
would get gunked up and it would raise that letter
up slightly. And after a while we just quit trying
to fight it that I know which one that came from.
He verified that it was from the correct time.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
It's like a fingerprint, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
It is? Really they do use typewrite font or not
so much anymore because nobody used a typewriter, but they
did use that as a form of finding where documents
came from in the past, because every typewriter is slightly
different from every other typewriter, has its own little quirks,

(26:11):
and that that was actually quite the science up until
the eighties nineties when people were still using typewriters on
the regular. So they so, I mean, yeah, so that

(26:31):
that makes total sense.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, that's that's that's a good point. I know a
lot of serial killers used to get busted that.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Way, right and still do they still do since there
there is this sounds super tin foily hattie. But all
four of us could print up the same document on
a sheet of paper from our home printers, and through
microscopic type analysis, they can tell which printer it came from,

(27:02):
so they'd be able to split those four same four
pieces of paper. We all four would print out and
it's like this one's for Mark, this one's for BAM because.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Of the way that it prints out.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
So having a type of writer with like one of
the letters slightly offset, you know, by the third or
fourth page it's printed out, you know, typed out.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
Uh, that's kind of.

Speaker 7 (27:25):
Been incorporated into modern technology to kind of have a
fingerprint for every single printer in the world.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
The BTK killer that way, didn't they Actually, yeah, well
he printed it on his church computer printer or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
They he asked the uh, basically asked the newspaper if
they could track him from a floppy disc. The oh no,
So he said, a floppy disc with his manifesto to
the newspaper. And that's how they found out in the metadata,

(28:07):
you know, who owned the copy of Microsoft word that
that was typed on.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Goodness.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Then they got the computer from the church and found
the file under Dennis and didn't take much. It didn't
take much after that to track him down.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
And he was really free for the longest time.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
You know, Yes, but I've met I know people who
have met him, and they said it surprised did not
surprise them in the slightest really, because he was creepy.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (28:48):
I worked with a lady at the base. She her
where her neighborhood, neighborhood was. He was on the hoa
board for her neighborhood and she still has framed in
your home a nasty letter for accidentally leaving her garbage
cans out overnight after the pickup day, you know that
kind of almost care and level of a Yeah, it's

(29:15):
like how close did I come to get Yeah, not
very at all.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
So, yeah, there's there's a lot of these there's a
lot of these files online as the FBI they just
kind of it did kind of tickle me that they
went to the trouble of redacting. Yeah, these supposedly faked documents.

Speaker 8 (29:46):
I found it. It was the letter z Z. Yeah,
so according to Woods Research and expert witnesses UH contacted
at the National National Archives, the Z matches a particular
a particular typewriter, and in fact, many of the documents

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from that era have that same RAZI the ones that
came from that typewriter, they're identical.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
So and they're not going to get rid of a
typewriter just because it's a little off, as.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Long as yeah, the sea doesn't get used that much.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 8 (30:24):
Apparently there was also a word, but it was it.
I just thought there was a word listed that was misspelled,
showing that it was hand edited and not you know,
done properly on like a computer. In later times, and
that misspelling matches misspellings from the same typist that did

(30:47):
other like manuals and stuff from that exact same time period.
So there's multiple proof within the documents.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
So we have proof that those documents are real that
reference MJ twelve.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
So Ian jumped into hi en.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Hienne. Yep, Yeah, super interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
It is an interesting and then, like I said, some
of these theories they just get so crazy.

Speaker 8 (31:25):
What do you guys think about the James Forrestal death.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
I think I think he was killed, Yeah, I think, yes,
I think.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
He's escorted out the window rather quick.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
Yes, for all of these at home that don't know
what we're speaking about, James Forrestal was one of the
twelve and he died not long after it was started
in forty seven. Suddenly he was claimed that the claimed
that he had gone insane and he ended up in
a sixteen story room in a Bethesda hospital where he

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took a swan dive out the window, ended it up
on like the second.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Floor, like balcony, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (32:08):
Balcony or something down below, and oddly enough, also had
a noose around his neck.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah. They said that he tried to hang himself and
slipped and fell to his death. He tried to hang
hisself outside the window.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Maybe he was they were trying to hang him, and
he was trying to get away and fell.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Maybe well, and the guy that was supposed to be
watching him was, you know, conveniently stepped away for a moment.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
What.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Yeah, shocker.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
That's why we should always have cameras on people that
are like that, so that they you know, because no
one would ever turn those off or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
What.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Okay, So the reasoning why they thought behind the behind
the alleged I don't want to say execution, but it
kind of is.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Murder.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Murder was my unders standing was he was thinking it
was time to actually talk about UFOs bring it in mind.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, And I mean, if you follow that rabbit hole
in the logic of that, isn't that kind of what
they're talking about on the Kennedy conspiracy he was going
to share.

Speaker 7 (33:31):
So, I mean, it's not like we haven't heard of
Asians of the government that want to keep things hidden
and parts of that group that want to speak out
about it.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
And the sterarious things seem to occur to those people
that want to talk about it versus keeping it quiet.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Oh, you mean like walking down the street getting two
bullets to the back of the head and having your
laptop seven hundred dollars in your wallet and it's a
robbery gone wrong.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, it's uh kind of curious specific which one did
that happen to?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
That was a that was an arc inside yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
Story, there's there's a few of those hanging from maturity
by the neck and uh hot gun blast to the back,
but it.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Was it was suicide. So yeah, yeah, yeah, Uh, there's
been a lot of suspicious activity and it's just not
our government. Every government has stuff like that. Ours is
just particularly bad about covering up their cover ups because

(34:53):
we do have freedom of the press here and even
though it's kind of of corrupt, word does get out
and the inner inner web is good about spreading these
facts around, so it is not as easy.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
Our government just sucks at cover and stuff up. They
put you know, fake on stuff and we like it.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
We wrote it, but we redacted this page here.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
But it's that far it's not fake.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
The rest of it was fake.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
Yeah, they're like, this isn't real. Look over here.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
I'm glad you were reporting it, Mark when you said that,
but it's yeah, but Yeah, it's strange.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Hold.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
That kind of stuff comes up a lot, but people
just let it go and don't like, say, you know,
granted with a lot of these topics, where these things
get when they don't when the government or whoever doesn't
tell you the full truth, that's when you kind of
start making stuff up. And you've got the maps and
the pictures on the wall with the string connecting everything,

(36:10):
trying to put them all together, and you look like
a crazy person.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Well, if people tend to like not want to rock
the boat, and they don't want to believe that something
the fairies could be going on, they just want to
live their lives and not have to worry about stuff
like that. So I think people, most people have the
tendency to just walk past it, just to pretend they
didn't see it and move on. Yeah, and the few

(36:37):
people like us who question are suddenly the scary crazy people.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Of course, if I suddenly ended up dead tomorrow, it
was the Clintons.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
So what we're showing right now is a picture of
one of the actual documents that came the Majestic twelve
information that was originally labeled top secret, that was.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Editing by Bill and ted apparently.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Right, at least I spelled it right. Yeah, there's if
you're listening to this, it looks like they took a
big black sharpie and in great big letters wrote bogus.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Yeah, they were totally melvined by death.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
They were and I tried, sorry, go this way. Yeah. See,
and they they continue to write that across every page,
every page.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
They said that one where they started redacting.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Yeah, and then you'll see reactions.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
They start redacting. Nothing to see here, people.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
So crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Then you get in all these redacted pages.

Speaker 7 (37:55):
Okay, even even the handwritten, stamped stuff where they would
pull it out of the r archives and they'd have
to make annotations about it. Even that stuff is redacted
like that. There's a thing at the bottom of this
page here where that say declassified by Yeah. It's like,
if this is fake, why would you have like the

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person who is declassifying it edited out. I mean it's
it's it was classified somewhere. This is a document from
some place that would have had to come out enough
where you're going to hide the you know, the individual,
you know, probably just some clerk somewhere that probably had
nothing to do with what the actual document is. Just
somebody that's pulled it out of an archive and putting

(38:40):
it out, Well, we protect the person's name, you know,
the the identification number of the the clerk that pulled
this out of the files to make a copy of it. Uh,
it's that's just bananas. Oh, there's there's a whole lot
of bogus right there.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
And that right.

Speaker 7 (38:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I was going to say this next page about fifty
percent of it it looks like.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
That.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
Yeah, it's completely I was also going to like make
mention if you look back on that former page, you know,
all the annotations from every time someone pulled it out
and had to write a number down on or whatever.
There's several different hand styles there.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
It's not one.

Speaker 8 (39:22):
So if they fake yeah, if they fake this, did
they like walk around their office and be like, hey,
doodle on this too, and we'll make it really look legit.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Well, the one on the bottom of this, I guarantee
you as a man, and the one up here on
the side is probably a female. I can tell that is.
The handwriting in the bottom looks like mine, like this, yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
And then that looks more. Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
It is. I mean, here's another that now they're redacted,
redacting signatures on the bottom. These people are Okay, they're fake.
This guy down here, we've got to wipe it out.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
That's right. All the documentation is fake.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
But the people where we'll protect, the people that actually
had it filed away and actually.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Researched this and everything else. It's just stupid. It's insulting,
really black presidential signature.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Yeah, they'll never know who he was.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Yeah right, yeah, all that. I mean, going from Truman
all the way through Kennedy, you've got all sorts of
presidential involvement. I mean, good Lord, Eisenhower is its own
freaking show.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yes, I've got a whole big ass book on Eisenhower, but.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean, Eisenhower is the one that, you know,
supposedly went off and talked to the aliens and set
up the entire system where they are free to take
us whenever they want. They just got to share their
tech with us occasionally.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
Which supposedly they did not do.

Speaker 8 (41:12):
Yeah, they didn't hold up there into the bargain whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
But they're still still taking people.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yep, But that's bogus.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Many times, many times, I cut your bill and head
reference earlier. Thank you, death right.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I was.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
I was trying to focus and I for some reason
today I cannot talk and do anything at the same time.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
It's a storm coming in.

Speaker 7 (41:46):
It is hunker down mode.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
You that are not in our area. We're getting ready
to have again more.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
Yeah, we're getting ready for the blizzard of the century.

Speaker 7 (41:59):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
They are giving h thirteen inches of snow. Uh, extreme
cold and thirty nine winds.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
So yeah, and snow drifts up to four to five
feet high in the spring matures.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
It's false spring. It was false spring. I was just wondering,
this is can you take a hit out on a
ground hug?

Speaker 5 (42:28):
I don't know, but dude needs to go.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 (42:39):
Fifty years from now, people are going to be pulling
pulling the archives of this recording of just like m
J twelve stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Film.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
You need a big bogus across the whole screen right now.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
So that we oh, no, no, we can take it.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Makes me think I almost think he might be a mule.
And I say this because there's a mole that has
gone through the yard out here where I'm at, and
it's come I live near a swim city pool and
it's come from the pool down the hill and around
the corner, and then it like stops dead at the sidewalk.
So I wonder if he was just plowing along and

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smashed his head on the sidewalk.

Speaker 8 (43:20):
Oh In says he's getting ready for their February heat wave.
Oh then why don't.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
You there in?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Oh, well, think of us.

Speaker 7 (43:38):
We'll still be buried in ice inside two weeks from now,
no kidding.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
I also see the little poop emojis he put up.
Is that is that leftover from the last show.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
I did not interact with the poop emojis since I
got yelled at last border Town Strange.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
You won't get yelled at on this one.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
I was dying laughing, and yeah, I've got four brothers.
I have no no hope for me.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
I just had to get onto them because they just
kept rolling with it and we were trying to like
move along, and it just it was all poop in
the chat rooms.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
So it was a ship show.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
That was kind of a crappy joke. I thought, Oh,
we're just being facetious. I'm sorry. I Chris has probably
got something up in the comments about, you know, face
palms or something here.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Not yet, give her a minute.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
This is a very very famous thing in my house.
We'll get on the whole, you know, I'll get on
everybody's ship list.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Oh I see that. You just saved him in the
trouble and put bogus across the ticker. Yeah, that'll work.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
We've got it, dude.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
Too funny. So, I mean she jumped in, you're in trouble.
She used government name man.

Speaker 8 (45:23):
Yeah, yes, you're gonna have to redact that. Get you, Yeah,
in said the Enzo started it.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
That's a little kid.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
He did it first and through you under the poop bus.

Speaker 6 (45:50):
Yeah yeah, I'm another ship wagon.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
On the ship boys.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
I'll have to get the same. And I gave out
last week. It'll be like I'll turn this podcast around.
I'll go straight home.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
That's fair enough. But I watched hours of videos on
the stuff about back. Three fourths of the stuff I
saw I didn't really find all that plausible, But there

(46:29):
is enough that I did find plausible that it makes
you really wonder. Like I said, when the FBI's own websites, like,
what the hell?

Speaker 5 (46:42):
What a meal?

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I mean, if you're going to you're going to poo
poo on something what? I don't know what you're talking
about if you're going to say something is a fake,
why not just say it was a fake? Why would
you post PDFs that have been redacted and then say

(47:07):
that they're fake?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
I mean, come on, because you weren't supposed to notice
that mark.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
You're not supposed to make that very simple next step
educated guess on what could possibly be on this piece
of paper. I really hope in a few weeks we're
not saying the same stuff about all of JFK things
and all the other stuff.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
That's going to be released. It's like, the hell is
this that's wrong with you guys.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
That happens with a lot of these big government info dumps.
They dump all kinds of stuff for people to sort
through on like a Saturday, and half of us just crap.
They bury the stuff that's any good and a bunch
of stuff so people will skip over.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
It cause you get bored and skim it.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
And then they, of course they always underestimate.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Some of the tenacity.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
Yeah, the tenacity of the weaponized autism of people on
the internet that will.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Just absolutely I know some of those people, I mean,
who would dig through every word.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
And those are the kind of that's great because those
are the kind of people that do notice that he
wait a minute, this Z is a little offset from
all the rest of the letters, and it's like that
throughout all the documentary.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Real quick.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah, so I mean, yeah, it was typed on a
real typewriter by a real typist from that era who
did that for their their jobs. So I mean, did
you go back in time and your time machine Bill
and Tudd and make him type this stuff up just
so you could freak out the internet? Where's my phone?

(49:01):
Where's my tartst? I need to go fix this.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Mine's down the hall. Yep, but you can't see it.
I need to end my camera a little bit up.
You can see it.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
I'm just gonna start your camera. Oh careful, those special effects.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Here's right there. Ends You have one too, don't you?

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (49:22):
I go on here?

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Oh there we go. Baha, where do you go? He
went back in the past, Yeah, to keep him from
writing Gogus on anything.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
It's all right, I just care remember that, go back.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
All right?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
You don't have a red shirt on your safe.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Oh So anyway, I mean, there's been lots of drama
on TV about the Majestic twelve.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
There was actually a really good series back in the
eighties or nineties that talked all about it, but they
got it was really popular, but they got shut off
after the first season. That actually, now that I think
about it, is actually kind of actually kind of suspicious.
Why would you show?

Speaker 6 (50:32):
I thought you were leading up to the whole X
Files thing, and it's like, oh, talking about it.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I didn't rewatching the X Files. That's where I thought
he was.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Going to because it's char dark guys, and I believe
it was fairly popular. Everybody I knew seemed to be
watching it. We just couldn't believe that they, you know,
canceled it after just one season.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Maybe it's like Dan Aykroyd's show, you know, right, the
Black Show that he's on a cigarette break and then
suddenly the whole studio was shutting it down as fast
as it could be.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
So right, right that who knows, you know, you're talking
about stuff we don't want people to think about. You're
done mm hmm. And and that happens, that does happen, and.

Speaker 8 (51:22):
They don't want to have to go and write bogus
over the top of the whole TV show screen.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
I know, right, has been a lot of work on
every frame, just going to every TV in America and
writing it on the screen.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
Yeah, sounds about right.

Speaker 8 (51:36):
Yeah, don't look at the redacted parts.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Don't look that's right.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
Pay no attention to these words behind the curtain. Yeah,
there's there's parts of it. Because I do feel that
a lot of people instill a little bit too much
cloak and dagger to our federal government. A lot of
us just kind of dumb people doing things kind of

(52:03):
half assed, it seems, which this is one of them
where you know they're obviously you know, doing the O
pay no attention to this where there's an intricate detail
in there for very specific things they don't want you
to know about in a fake document.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Ope, we better react that before we post it. Why
the hell is this is?

Speaker 6 (52:24):
This is super extra fake. We don't want them to
guess this.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
What the answer to her question you just answered her
question is incompetence. They can't even do a cover up, right.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
But the problem is is that most people will believe
it because they were told that.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
They go and you know it's it's on the website,
the CIA website.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
You know Internet, it's got to be true.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Well, it says Bogus on there. So obviously it's bogus.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
You know, the DA says it's bogus, it must be.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
True, right because they would never say anything to step.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
Yeah, our government would never lie to us. They are
the most honest government ever.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
If this was twenty eighteen nineteen, then probably most people
would agree with you. But a few things have happened
since then that people have even regular normies. I'm just
doing my job, man, God, what the f is this?
Wait a minute, that doesn't even make sense at my
dumb left.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
I was never a conspiracy fan. I like, what the
hell are you people talking about? And then yeah, it's like,
you know, I'm looking into some of this stuff, and
they've actually been caught doing this and caught doing that,
and they've had to apologize for this. I'm not so

(53:57):
sure that you're wrong. So, I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Conspiracy From conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact is about three
weeks nine Yeah, about that three or four weeks itself.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
But to carry on with the actual Majestic twelve Supposedly
Majestic twelve is responsible for the whole Area fifty one
having aliens and historic cold storage and secret UFOs and
an underground facility where they're being reverse engineered. Is it true?

(54:40):
Is it not? I know there's a lot of secret
stuff that goes on at Area fifty one. I mean,
you get the skunk Worset there. That's where the SR
fifth seventy one came from. The A twelve, which was
an armed version of the SR seventy one, actually came
out for the reason. No, it didn't work out to

(55:03):
well because it was faster than its own missiles. They
had to rework the project. It was a very good project.
It looked almost like a SR seventy one. Uh, they said,
oh shit, we can't even fire missiles from this thing
because we outrun them. They couldn't fire bullets from it
because they outran the bullets. Uh. They had to turn
it into a surveillance bird. But uh, that's the kind

(55:26):
of thing that comes out of Area fifty one. So
are some of the weird things that fly around Area
fifty one of alien origin? Who the hell knows?

Speaker 6 (55:39):
I mean, but supposedly it's not.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
Uh, they don't use that kind of stuff out there anymore.

Speaker 6 (55:46):
There's some other secret face somewhere that they used now
rather than that.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
Now it's more our ears attraction kind of like they
still fly planes Ei the're gon be wrong. There's still
the you know, the mysterious Janet flights flying out of
uh McLaren out of Vegas, all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
There's still work going on.

Speaker 7 (56:04):
They do some testing out there, but the super weird
stuff that has been described there for people.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
Hanging out of the little Alien. They're in Rachel, Nevada,
where they.

Speaker 7 (56:15):
Would go camp outside the desert at night at very
particular times.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
And there is nothing that big going on there now
because there are so many people, some of them quite obsessed,
who literally camp out where they can use their binoculars
and watch the base. It can't be that secret if

(56:41):
they're not running them.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Off, No, but it's a great distraction for distraction. They
do have things that are secret now.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
So yeah, I am sure that they are nowhere near
Area fifty one.

Speaker 8 (56:56):
Yeah, the Green River Complex and the Dougway Proving Ground
and Utah. Those two places are supposedly the new grounds
for all the old area zazz. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Well, you certainly don't want to be moving them around
on a flatbed truck very far.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
Put a tarp over, it'll be fine. You're right right
through the middle of town. No one's gonna notice.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I mean, sadly far.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah, somebody's moving afloat of an f of a ufo.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
Oh man, I just looked up where those two places are.
They're literally right at the very bottom of the Unita basin.
Oh is that the best place to be put?

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Not really, No, not particularly.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Everybody watched in the crazy stuff out there.

Speaker 8 (57:54):
Little skin walker. Let's throw some aliens in there, and yeah,
we'll just put them off.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
There's nothing to see here.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
There's an anomaly over the Mason, but.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
You're looking for that's right in said area fifty three
is where it's at. No idea if that exists, probably does,
who knows. You're probably right. I'm sure they have to
have one somewhere.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
You know, there's always they moved it all the warehouse thirteen.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
I love that show.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I know me too.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
It was such a good show.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
They telled everybody in the town they worked for the
I r S.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Everybody, they're already to burn them out. Yeah, well, I mean,
and nobody would try to get into the I r
S because that's not very wanting. Yeah, numbers, No, there's
a there's.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
A few spots for where the new area fifty one
is it's uh, it's anybody's guess. I imagine there were
parts of it that were broken up and kind of
spread out a little bit rather than everybody being hauled
one spot.

Speaker 6 (59:10):
That's the better plan.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
But really it's a good yeah, good plan.

Speaker 7 (59:16):
That's that's that's a pretty good plan nowadays. It was
in well, when Bill Clinton was in office that that
because officially they never even recognized that as a base.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
It would never be identified as a base, like we
got some stuff off there.

Speaker 7 (59:31):
But until some lawsuits started rolling in from some of
the workers out there during the Clinton administration, where he
actually said, yes, this is going on at this mystery
base out in the desert where it was officially recognized
by the government.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
But that was our own fault.

Speaker 7 (59:49):
It turns out they were super so super secretive out
there that they.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
Would burn everything.

Speaker 7 (59:54):
They had these giant burn pits, which oddly enough, the
Army still does to this day and a lot of
my time when I was, right before I retired, there
was still a lot of stuff like in Afghanistan and
things like that, where they just burn all their trash. Well,
if you're at a super secret location, we're working on
super secret fuels and hardware and things like that. You

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can't just throw it away, so they would just have
this one central location that they would just cover with
like you know, contaminated fuel or exotic fuel or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
And just light it up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
And there's just be these giant plumes of smoke going everywhere,
and people were breathing it at the base because it's
run over top.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Of you get into the whole agent orange thing. They
burned stock piles of that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Yeah, did that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Too, heard the stories munitions A lot of that stuff's toxic.
Foam Coolers are one of the worst things you can burn,
by the way, because if you burn poly your ethlene
phone commonly used in coolers, you get cyanide gas.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
So phone cups we all used to burn.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Those are actually slightly safer than the polyarthink from But
that's good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
I burned a lot of them, right, Well, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Know I did it too, burning metal crates and beer
cans and whatnot. So yeah, I can.

Speaker 8 (01:01:33):
Red red solo cups make really pretty blue or pink
colors when they melt.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Make me feel funny from the fumes.

Speaker 7 (01:01:42):
The area fifty one they were burning like aircraft parts
and computers and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
It's just anything that you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Couldn't that oh toxic. I imagine there was a lot
of heavy metal poisoning.

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
And and and it's one thing to say, okay, yeah,
that's kind of effect as far as you know, nobody's
if you got a pile of ash, you're not going
to get that much information out of it. But then
these people started saying, hey, wait a minute, I'm feeling
kind of sick and I need to go to the doctor.
And they're like, we don't know what you're talking about.
We're not going to cover that as far as your
health insurance. Then it's like all secrets are off. That's fogus.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
You know, you're not going to take care of me.
I ain't taking care of you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
So set in Soo, we're the likely area of fifty
one siblings.

Speaker 7 (01:02:33):
James could all. I've chatted with him several times. He
literally wrote the book on the SR seventy one. He
says he's heard stuff about spots like way in the
northern part of the country, like like western Montana, Idaho area,
somewhere up and there.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
He thinks it's where some of the.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Bigger stuff is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Yeah, there are plenty of lightly populated places in the
United States that would be perfect for that. That We
have US possessions overseas that would be perfect for that.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
It could be under Mount Shasta, could be I am very,
very sad that I missed that episode.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
We missed you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Well, let me tell you, Chris probably enjoyed the fact
that I could hardly say anything. I get to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Start something like this, Oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Then ten to fifteen minutes later I could say another
couple more sentences, and then it sounded like this. That
viral stuff that was going around are still going around, nasty.
I don't know what I had. I tested negative for
flu a, h for flube and COVID, but I was

(01:03:56):
running a fever for like three four days.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
We keep having people come in the library. Oh I've
been sick for you know, a few days. I got
and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Gets the library.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
It's like the way.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
Like spraying up with lysol out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
We have we have kept our guards up where people
turn books in. We're leaving them because people are gross.
So PSA, don't get your library and sick.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
I was sick all the time when I worked for
the school. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's where I
got swine flu. And let me tell you, folks, I mean,
I'm not going to say much about COVID. I had COVID.
It was no fun. But if you were to tell
me if I went to Town A and I was
going to get to COVID or I went to Town B

(01:04:48):
and was going to get swine flu, I would definitely
go to Town A. Because the swine flu was the nastiest,
most horrid thing that I have ever had. And I
don't know as I would survive it today because that
was fifteen twenty years ago when I got it, at
least ten fifteen years. Anyway, it's been over a decade,

(01:05:12):
and I thought it was going to dive in. I
was a lot healthier. So the flu is bad stuff,
bad juju Chrissa.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
It was so quiet for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Sorry, honey, I'm not catching it again. Yeah. I just
sit there and read my book. Coughed a little bit. No,
and I love to reading. Is reading is my saying.

(01:05:55):
So anyway, I don't have a whole lot else. There's
not really a whole lot of concrete stuff out about
Majestic twelve. We do know that it existed, we have.

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
Well, the next step again would be does it still
exist in some form today?

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Is a secretive group out there?

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Likely well, And then you get into the deep state
things that are tied to it. And we know that
there is a deep state. They don't call themselves that,
but it's fairly obvious that there is. And let me
tell you, the most dangerous thing in the country is

(01:06:40):
not politicians. It is bureaucrats. Because bureaucrats never leave their job.
We've got people who have been being pushed, pushing paper
to justify their own employment, or forty fifty years has
been on the job. They don't do nothing but yell

(01:07:03):
at other people who don't do nothing. Who yell at
people who actually do a little bit, who yell at
people who do a little bit more than that? I mean, literally,
the waste is real, folks, it really is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
Learn a lot about that lately. It's maddening. Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
It is what it is. But I challenge everybody to
look up some of these majestic twelve rumors. There are
tons of videos out there on the interweb with all
sorts of crazy conspiracies. I mean, we only touched on

(01:07:51):
a couple of the major ones. There's a lot of
fiction out there about it. But like I said, we
do know that it did probably exist because there is
ancillary evidence saying we're referring it that has been proven
at least to my satisfaction as being accurate. But did

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it get Kennedy killed? Did they run Area fifty one?
Are they still trying to run the government today? I
don't know. If they are, then they've become the the
G eight and the whole FEC stuff. So I mean, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
All the money.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
It's all about money, and it probably was then too.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
Money, money and secrecy, and the secrecy itself is its
own form of currency in some of those.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
Circles, right right, it's material.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
You can't fire me. I'm the only person that knows
about whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:09:09):
This I joked a long time ago, not necessarily one
hundred percent on it being a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Is.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
I'm sure somewhere in the United States and some base somewhere,
there's some small hangar that has everything in it. It's
got the bodies, it's got the craft, it's got all
the documentation. But there was only like one person that
had access to that building who accidentally accidentally died in
an unfortunate vehicle accident out of a sixteen story window

(01:09:37):
that they're the only one that can access it or
approve people to get into it on the paperwork, because
the government thrives on its paperwork, And so nobody's been
in it for like forty or fifty years, and nobody's
allowed to go in it because there's some places.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
This was a conversation I had a couple years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
Was somebody that there was a base where they did
have like a classified area and you could there. I
was talking to the fire chief there for the base
about something. It's like, so, what's your response down for
going to like way over there, whatever's down this road,
and he's like, there was a fire out there. We
could see the smoke. They We tried to respond, and

(01:10:24):
the security forces would not let us go the frickin
fire department, they would not let them access that area
to try and put out the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Just let her go. Yep, it's too secret to exist. Yeah,
and that fire may have been intentional, you know, how
the government likes to burn things.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
That's true because I actually even referred to that. It's
like because that actually was standard procedure for dealing with
all of these secret documents and stuff like that when
you had classified or secret stuff. That was the standard
back when I first joined the Air Force was you had.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
A specific burn pit type.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
Area where it was all papers anywhere, like burning computer
parts and stuff like that. We were going to die
from the fumes. But the intel folks were trained specifically
this is how you light the fire, this is how
you monitor the fire. This is how you stir the
ashes and pour water on it and set it on fire.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
Again. Yeah, that kind of stuff. You know, that stuff existed.

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
And for the scenario I was talking about, it's like
so that they have like a you know, secrets burn
kind of thing because you know, from a long time ago,
and they're like if they did, we never noticed any
smoke or anything like that. This was a lot of smoke.
This was a structure fire whatever it was, and we
were not allowed in.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Wow, that's wild.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
So it burned.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I mean, there's a lot of suspicious stuff out there,
which I guess my accidentally using the wrong intro it
was probably appropriate because that's where we talk about it.
Does you know I tried to change that and I

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thought I had changed it over and then it went back,
So I might have clicked something wrong when I set
the show up. You know, I'm not the most intelligent
person out there anymore, if I ever was. I thought
I was really smart when I was young, too.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Turns out I was wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
In my case, I was mistaken. I was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
You know, there's all that that's going around about the
Gate program and when you were in school. Were you
in the Gifted Intelliented Education program? I was. I was
in it from like fourth grade through high school, and
I'm like, you know, now they're like, hey, did you
remember the tones and did you do this? Yeah? I
did all that. I remember all of that. And it's

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a little creepy weather talking about now what.

Speaker 7 (01:13:02):
Year timeframe was that the both of you went through
that just approximate.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
I was in probably from like I want to say,
it would have been like maybe seventy seven, seventy eight
through about eighty six.

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
Yeah. See that makes sense because I'm a bit younger
than Pam, and I started in about first grade and
it was kind of done. I remember it kind of
not happening much more after third grade, like fourth grade,
I don't remember doing it anymore. So I think it
was like right in that I was probably at the

(01:13:40):
tail end of all of that. But yeah, I remember
all the weird little things we used to do. I
used to be mad about it because the kids in
my it was me and one other girl that would
go during the day, and the kids in class would
make fun of us because they thought that we were
either going to the principal or that we were going
to like special classes like you needed.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
That's that's what I yeah, yeah, that's what they made
fun of A.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
Yeah, and I just remember sitting doing really weird worksheets.
And I remember the hearing test thing. I thought it
was like some kind of a hearing test thing, and then.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Well they told us it was that. Why were we
doing it constantly? You know, like all the time?

Speaker 8 (01:14:21):
Yeah, it just happened for a little short while. The
remember like fourth grade, which would have been probably around
eighty seven eighty eight, is kind of when I don't
remember it happening anymore. I know it didn't happen in
fifth grade, So yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Probably and that's what they're doing. That's what they're saying now.
That's why.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
God do you recall when it ended there being like
any kind of explanation or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
It's like that we're not doing that anymore, don't worry
about it or no, like.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
Well, because like I did, I remember third grade, I
was still doing it because I remember which class I
was in, and then fourth grade they just never brought
it back up to me ever again. And I don't
remember anybody leaving classes after that for anything.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Probably budget. They probably just cut the budget for it.
And it's done well.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
Eric was in it, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
But he didn't do all the tests like we did.
He did more. It gearedy into going into the AP classes,
which is what you would think it would be for.
But honestly, my grades weren't that great. You know, they
were passible, but they weren't fantastic. I think what Eric
did was an actual Yeah he did learning.

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
He got an excelled learning. Ur was something different.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
No, it wasn't. I wasn't in it. An excel N
means we went. I remember going to like the new
stations in Tulsa and you know, getting to go behind
the scenes and do all that, and going to Hutchison
to the cosmosphere, you know, things like that. But there
was a whole lot more sitting there and doing pattern

(01:16:03):
recognition and learning, you know, doing riddles. You know, they
would do that, and one sticks in my head and
it was where there's twins go into a bar and
they both order a drink. Won drinks it quickly, one
drinks it slowly. The one that drank it slowly dies
of poisoning. What was the difference, Well, it's because the

(01:16:28):
ice melted and it was in the ice, you know,
but you know you have and it was obvious to me,
you know, of why. But they were I remember them
acting so impressed that I got that so quickly, and
I was like, so it was weird stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
I remember they we used do these worksheets on they
had like number patterns on them. Yeah, Like they would
list a number of patterns and then they would ask
you like what comes next or what came before? And
then like if if we show you this number, what

(01:17:04):
number do you think of next? There wasn't like an
appropriate question or like a pausible you had to solve
with it. It was literally just what number.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
We didn't tell you if you got it right or not.
They would just yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Just like your data.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Yeah, and you know we would do the patterns with
like you know, they would give you this pile of things, okay,
You've got so many seconds to make this pattern over
here with these shapes that we gave you, and you
know have to do it really quick. And yeah, yeah,
we do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
A lot of that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yeah, a lot of that. Ian said, you're totally Manchurian
candidates avoid catcher in the rye, right, and if you
want to go a step further, I have negative blood
and green eyes, and apparently that goes along with all
of it too, so go figure.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
I had negative blood and hazel eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Well minor minor hazel green hazel. They said. My driver's
license is hazel.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Mine says brown. But my eye color changes regularly.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
I have like mine are green and then there's like
brownish and then blue around the very edges. But around
my people, it's like this brown.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
And when I get sick, my eyes turned very very
pretty green. You can always tell you, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
Park, you have pretty eyes in two hours to live, right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Yeah, the snicker I get, the greener they get, it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Tarn it. Yeah. I don't know what got me down
that wrap hole, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
What we do it did, lizend.

Speaker 7 (01:19:01):
So And for what you described, though that does sound
like an educational thing. It's like because we certainly heard
stories from other people that had to go to a
special class or a special school or something like that,
and now there's suddenly whisked away for special labs or whatever.
You're you're going through the cosmosphere. That's not exactly the
same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
So no, yeah, it's a little bit different. So I
don't I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
I mean, yeah, I never got to go on trips.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
Really, but the only two, that's the two I remember.
We went to the new station, and we went to
the cosmosphere. Other than that, we were stuck in rooms.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
I don't ever getting to go on a trip, but
I do know, like I know, it stopped when I
was in third grade and four or fourth, fifth and
sixth grade. No one ever got called out ever again
for special classes. Wow, So that's because I thought about that.
I was like, was it just me where they testing me?

(01:20:00):
And then suddenly I wasn't what they wanted or I
wasn't performing like I should, so they let me loose.
But no one else ever got called out either, So
I kind of wondered if that's when they stopped. It
was in the late eighties when they finally put the
cabash on it and moved on to something else, or don't.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
I know, I don't know. Maybe those couple of trips
that we went on, maybe it was a cover too,
Who knows, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
Who who did you go to? Was it somebody? Was
it a teacher in the school that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
You already know, or was it something completely different yet
somebody completely different? It was a lady. She had black hair,
and it was it almost do you remember the Brady Bunch,
the mom Carol how she had that flip. So this
lady had that hair, except it was black, and she
was really thin and tall, and that's I don't mine.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
My guy was really tall and lanky, and he had
short brown hair. Well it wasn't short short, it was
kind of shaggy, kind of came like this, and he
used to irritate me. He had these brown boots that
he always wore, not like cowboy boots, but like more
almost like a workman type boot, but not quite. And
they were such a weird color of tan. It always

(01:21:18):
mismatched with his pants, like the tone was always off
with his pants. Yeah, And that's what it messed with
me a lot, because I was the kid that looked
down like I wouldn't make eye contact with teachers and
stuff a lot. I was always like glancing down and
like looking at what was on the floor. I knew,

(01:21:38):
like where every little shred of paper was on my
classroom floor. And he would walk by, and you know,
that's the first thing I would see was those horrible
tan boots clashing with his like blue leisure pants or
whatever he was wearing, and it just irritated me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
He irritated me.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
He was a weird cat from what I can remember.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
Yeah, remember this lady's name, and I mean she was
there for years. I couldn't. I have no clue was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
She really Was she really there?

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
That's a good question. Pretty sure she was because she
had some funky hair. I remember the funky hair. And
somebody else was talking about remember the uh did you
have to do the pink pills that they said was
to yeah, yeah, oh yeah, chick lost good enough? Yeah

(01:22:37):
I remember that, yea.

Speaker 8 (01:22:39):
And those didn't work. They sent home some of them
with us to try it home to and I scrubbed
the crap out of my teeth and then tried it
looked exactly the same.

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
I was like, this is a lie, that's right, this
is just teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Yeah, it's psychological warfare.

Speaker 8 (01:22:57):
It is. It was a lie Lives and Propertiana.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
So remember, okay, remember when I want it's probably never
come up in this show before, but in I want
to say, I was in fifth or sixth grade, but
they let me go ahead and do the Where did
that come from?

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
I don't know it. You could send an empty message
like that, apparently I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
That's wild. But they let me enter the Science fair
and I was I was fascinated with Egyptian things at
that time, the pyramids and everything, and so I did
a Science Fair project on pyramid power and I ended
up taking fourth place overall. So when we went to

(01:23:50):
the whole New Kirk thing and I had my fourth
place ribbon, that's where it came from, was from being
in the Gate program.

Speaker 8 (01:23:56):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
Yeah that if you had brought that up to them,
they would have been like.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Oh right, well, I didn't think about it, you know it.
I never really thought about it. And then it stopped
started popping up just within the last month or two
all over that place.

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
It's kind of weird how it just started kind of yeah,
all of a sudden because they thought about those in years,
Like in my head, they were just like special classes.
I got pulled out.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
For exactly and kids they were like, well, you know
one of the it was actually a TikTok I was
watching and they were like, if you remember the headphones,
describe them. Well, I remember them. They were brown, you know,
and they were boxy, and they were big and big.
Yeah yeah, and they did the one tone in one
ear and it was the man talking, you know this

(01:24:45):
is I can't rememberbody said, but he had a very
voice and yeah, and it had that weird.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
Did yours have that weird little beat beat click click
ye underneath of him talking yes.

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
And yeah yeah yeah while he was talking.

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
Yeah, Like it was just underneath of it. And when
when I did it, like they they were like, you know,
what are you hearing? You know whatever? And I couldn't
have the time pay attention to what the dude was
saying because I was too busy hearing the clicks and
the dings they were And my headphones smelled bad. Did

(01:25:26):
your smell bad?

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
I don't remember him smelling bad.

Speaker 8 (01:25:30):
They did they smell.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
It was probably the same ones that we all used
for all those years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently, yeah, I
didn't know, jest. Did we both did H at different times?
Because you're what eleven years younger than me? I think yeah,
so yeah, and we went to the same school different.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Times, just at different times.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Yeah, pretty well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
All the bunch of youngsters.

Speaker 8 (01:26:03):
Kin was wondering what the heck we were talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I can.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
We don't know either, so lost regarding oh, we're talking
about the gate Gate program Gifted and Talented program in school.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
We were talking about the Majestic twelve, but it has
segued over it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Did our train tracks go off road often?

Speaker 8 (01:26:27):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
I think my train tracks have all terrain tires.

Speaker 8 (01:26:33):
No, I don't know. Maybe this means that, like Pam
and I are like former field psychics for the US
governments of them.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
Well, and what's his name, dammit, man On TikTok. His
name's dat dammit man. I can't remember what his real
name is, but that's what his handle is on there.
And he was like, you know, so many of these
people that were in this program, they've gone on to
do paranormal things and blah blah blah. And I had
jumped in there and I was like, yeah, no, I'm

(01:27:04):
a paranormal podcaster. So wooo.

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Oh, you're right, that's weird.

Speaker 7 (01:27:11):
It's like it is it testing people to see what
they're capable of, or does it introduce something that certain
people are receptive to as far.

Speaker 6 (01:27:21):
As the clicks and the tones and all that.

Speaker 7 (01:27:23):
That's just super weird and that's something that we'll probably never.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
Know, probably not. Yeah, yeah, and if we do, it'll
probably be redacted heavily in twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:27:34):
I remember the test that they gave me for me
to start it. I was in kindergarten. Yeah, I was
in kindergarten, and we did like they brought us in
and little groups back into our actual classroom, like the
rest of the kids got to stay out at recess,
and we took them in shifts. And I remember thinking
it was really weird. There wasn't a whole lot of

(01:27:56):
us that did it because you had to we were
in kindergarten, and you had to be able to read
at a certain level and to write already. And I
was one of the few kids that could read at
a really high level. I was already like at a
fourth grade level at that point. But it was just
because I loved to read so much when I was little.
I just picked it up fast, and the test. I

(01:28:17):
remember thinking it was so weird because I was expecting
it to be you know, like really simple math, which
at that time was hard for me, you know, math
and English and stuff. And I remember, no, it's still
hard for me. Yeah, none of that. It was like
little puzzles and stuff like that, and I couldn't understand
what did you? Yeah, yeah, and I just I just

(01:28:41):
kind of got through it as fast as I could
so I could get out and go back to reasons.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:28:47):
Yeah, so that I just remember thinking it was so strange.
But I remember there was definitely like a number sequence
thing on it, which I'm sure was probably extraordinarily simple
because I was.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
A kindergartp Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:29:02):
And one of them I remember this. Do you remember
did you have to do the lines? The line? You
would it would tell you to uh draw a line
for a second or it was I remember it was
like a time thing and you drew the line and
you had to know when to stop the line.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
I remember, Okay, so what I remember if you're talking
about a line, We drew a line and then we
had to make specific marks maybe that's specific spots, and
then they would go back and explain to us what
this meant within our situation.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Whatever, I knew there was a reason why I call
you guys the smart friends, because I did the opposite.
They had me in remedial spelling until we decided. They
decided I wasn't qualified because I was smarter than the teacher.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
I was reading at a twelfth grade level in grade school. Uh,
but I couldn't spell for crap.

Speaker 8 (01:30:21):
Well, see, like it's like Pam said, like I wasn't
like the smartest kid in class or anything. I had
extraordinarily high reading and spelling level, but math, science, social studies,
everything else across the board was fairly I mean, I
wasn't horrible, but I wasn't. I was mid maath.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
I still suck.

Speaker 8 (01:30:40):
Yeah, I'm horrible at math, but I was like mid level,
So I wasn't even close to being you know. Yeah,
I wasn't anything.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
I wasn't. I don't think I was either. I I
could read really young, really well. I've always been a
decent speller, you know, stuff like that. But so far
as to shine overall, no, not really.

Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
Ian rings up a good point. It could be worth
a yeah, and do a freedom of information thing. Yeah,
of course, anything you would get back would probably all
the paperwork has to have bogus written across.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
The practical circle.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
For the end of the show, Kin said, trying to
find people who can understand the sounds is in the
alien language. Maybe maybe that's what the clicks were.

Speaker 8 (01:31:30):
It was a weird It was like it was like
a warbily ring and then a clear ring, and then
you would hear like these little click click click clicks
behind it. Well yeah, and this guy would be like
he spoke at in a really weird way to the
one you heard. Was that he would say a couple

(01:31:51):
of things at kind of a regular pace, and then
he would slow his.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Words do very and he was very very Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:00):
Boys, my brain would shut him off and I would
sit there and like yeah, I would sit there with
my fingers on the seat or like on the rails
of the seat and click out what I was hearing
because he was just so there.

Speaker 5 (01:32:18):
I don't remember exactly what he said or anything like that.
I just remember there were tones, and I remember the
room was really dark.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
Oh yeah, really dark, really dark.

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
My til hat thing is the headset and white smelled
funny and was just weird. That was interacting with the
implant that you had, maybe the implants dark in here.
I watched a Wedgley streamer thing this past week. He
was talking about his implants and it's in his ear.

(01:32:51):
I was thinking about like a headset that goes over
like both there they're kicking our receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
On, yeah, seeing if they can hack the hacket.

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
If we both like hope not yeah, Oh, we have
gone so far off in the weeds.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
We have M twelve.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
Not really, that's not something like that. It's that sounds
kind of MG twelve, that kind of a project.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
That project sound a little bit like something that they
would do.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
You got like m k ultra light or something that's something.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Of your friends or classmates suddenly disappear, secretly move away swiftly.

Speaker 8 (01:33:41):
Now I mean in mind.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
It was literally after like we're in a very small
school system though.

Speaker 8 (01:33:49):
Ken Yeah, like there was only like I would guess
maybe three or four other kids might.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
And that's a great yeah. And when I was in it,
there was like I want to say, there was maybe
five of us, and that was junior senior high together
because everybody in that same building, you know, we were
in the class together, and our junior and senior highs
together and there wasn't anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:34:18):
I think there was like three or four of us,
and we literally met in a closet.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
Yeah, yeah, we met.

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
Okay, not like like a broom closet. We weren't have
like cleaners behind us and stuff. But it was a
converted closet that they had carpeted and they had put
a couple of tables inside of it for us to
sit at.

Speaker 4 (01:34:41):
Probably were uh yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
So okay. Now they have added on to that grade
school since you were if you were in their mark,
So when we were little, it was it was kind
of a different building almost. So where the first grade
classrooms are now was where kindergarten was, okay, and those
were just out of doors there instead instead of going

(01:35:09):
into that other hallway. And so if you were at
that end and you had let's see it was, it'd
be like Missus Circulum's class and then across the way
was Missus White's and I can't remember who the other
teacher was, Missus Miller, No, I don't remember who was. Anyway,
there was you would go around those two classrooms on

(01:35:30):
this side, and then there was a closet, yes, and
that's where we met. Is that where you met? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:35:35):
Yeah, okay, up until my last year doing it, my
third grade year, they moved it to that closet. That's
the hallway that goes down to mister Redfern's old music
room and the gymnasium that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
The Yeah, because when I was in sixth grade is
when the school burned, so we lost the gym.

Speaker 8 (01:35:59):
Well, no, it was in the hallway inside the building,
not the gym. It wasn't in the gym or anything.
It was when you turned into the hallway that took
you out that second hallway that went out towards the
sixth grade playgrounds. It was in that little story, was
it right why the way water fountain?

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
Yeah, I know where you talked about.

Speaker 8 (01:36:17):
That was where we went our my third grade year
and then it was done.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 8 (01:36:24):
Yeah, And I've looked in there since. It's no longer
carpeted and everything. Now it's just another utility closet again.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
So as well, Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, yep,
because I had to help out over there several times.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
So where where that is now, it's where the fifth
grade teachers are and when I was there. That's where
the sixth grade teachers were. Because that sixth grade hallway
wasn't there. They built that onto.

Speaker 8 (01:36:58):
Yep, that was all. They built all of that the
year after I got out of sixth grade? Did they
I was the last class that went through the school
looking like that, and then when I left, they put
the additions on both sides, gotcha?

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because when I was in third grade,
we had trailers out in the yard for the third
grade classrooms, and mister Redfern's music trailer was out there.
We had music class.

Speaker 8 (01:37:23):
We've since last Mark and Enzo.

Speaker 5 (01:37:25):
We're just yeah there school time now.

Speaker 7 (01:37:29):
I was thinking about my own grade school Every once
in a while, you just kind of get bored and
you start looking around, like on Google street Maps for
places like you used to live and things like that.
It was a few years ago, as like, because my
grade school was like within walking distance of my house.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
It was a long walk, but first through sixth grade there,
it's like, I wonder if that's still there. It is not.

Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
And it's not like they've built something on top of
it or reconditioned the building.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
It is an empty lot.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
Oh, they took it out completely.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Dist removed the building because after you left, there was
no point in having it. Right.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
It's all an act just for me.

Speaker 4 (01:38:08):
It's like the Truman Show, Ken.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
Said, testing to see who might fit into the Superhero
Academy curriculum. Maybe so apparently I didn't a cap never
never got the cape.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
I've been accused of being a cape wearer.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
I'm not sure where you're going with that, mark.

Speaker 6 (01:38:33):
I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Secretary of the place I used to work always called
me her cape wearing friend. Okay, because I always swooped
in to save the.

Speaker 5 (01:38:44):
Day, gotcha, Okay, Yeah, that's nice. I like that. And
he does. He tries to reach across the cars.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Yeah, my my psychic power is just underdeveloped. I couldn't
catch I wanted you the car.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
Kin said, was it ever really there? And so? Meaning
your school?

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Maybe it's just a memory in this alien implanted.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
It's all all false memories.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
You see Kentucky and Tennessee parts of it are underwater. Yeah,
because they had major floods that Levy broke. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
Oh man washed everybody's chevyes away.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Oh lord, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Hi.

Speaker 8 (01:39:35):
That was terrible, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
We all got it, though, didn't we we did. I said, Mark,
don't talk about things you don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Bear, I had, no, I'm not going to even talk
about it. I made the mistake of saying, well, I'm
smarter than the average bear, you know, yogi quote. I
was showing something on the internet. I will not refer
to that anymore. Ever. Oh no, so let us let

(01:40:19):
us not talk about that any longer. We're off in
the weeds. I think we've severely Although the the Gate
program does sound like something that either Majestic twelve or
mk ultrow could have been involved with, you know, except

(01:40:42):
that there was no LSD or any psychotropic drugs. But
that you know of that, we know that, you know
so well.

Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
Nk Ultra was more than just you know, the you know,
dosing up kids and stuff like that that they're most
famous for. They they were looking for the whole you know,
mind control package. So there were you know, various weird
light you know, strobing light experiments and weird sounds and
all that other stuff too.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
So yeah, I mean there was there was a lot too.
Maybe they were secretly turning you into a manturin candidate.
Oh they're going to activate you someday and you're just
going to go on a murder spree.

Speaker 6 (01:41:24):
No, that's crazy, that would never happen.

Speaker 5 (01:41:29):
Sure, we're children of the corn.

Speaker 8 (01:41:38):
I want to be the little short one. I don't
want to be the tall, weird dude. He was strange
with all the freckles.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
Oh yeah, we cannot be the children of the corn.

Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
My allergies are too bad to be out there.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
The same, the same.

Speaker 8 (01:41:57):
Nobody's going to be scared of, like drippy see dress,
the sat.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
You're gonna die after after COVID. Maybe they will be maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
MK antihistamine class and.

Speaker 8 (01:42:17):
You're gonna die superpower, Yeah, that will be. It will
be the mucus queen.

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
You're the mucus patient zero Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:42:36):
You know, small closets, strange sounds, weird lights, not not
a majestic project, No, not at all. No, no, not
a bit. It is strange, though.

Speaker 8 (01:42:51):
I don't know, maybe I don't want to look more
into it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
But at the same time, I'm like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
Know, we look into that a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
I don't know if I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Now, you're scared. We scared you. I was as subjected
to as a child.

Speaker 8 (01:43:10):
Yeah, it's I was only in it for a few years,
so maybe no, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:43:16):
I was in it the majority of my Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7 (01:43:19):
The stuff you guys do as adult, regular people. You're
gonna get scared yourself about something happen when.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
You were a kid.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
Oh that's a good point, very well.

Speaker 8 (01:43:28):
Yeah, because it happened at a time when we weren't
capable of knowing better or you know, we know better now.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
Maybe it was to prepare you for your future.

Speaker 8 (01:43:41):
But it prepared me for bad off kilter podcast where
we can't stay on topic.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Yes, if a bad podcast is what you're looking for,
you have come to the right place.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Not covered.

Speaker 8 (01:43:57):
When I say bad, I mean asn't good, you know,
like we're bad man bad. Okay, we're a top eight podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Well, I mean for a while there we were number
forty seven in Greece.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Well Jesus, that's right, are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
That awes Yeah, they only had forty seven of them, but.

Speaker 5 (01:44:32):
On the list, Yeah, you wait till Borenzo takes a
great big Greek.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
This is a true thing.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
And uh, what was it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Arts And I don't remember what it was. It was
some category. We were forty seven and forty seven, but
we were on the list.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
So thank you those of you who are listening to us,
and I'm I'm sorry for you know, well everything. We're
just sorry, especially sorry for all the poop jokes and
unless you find that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:17):
Very popular and Greece apparently apparently.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Yeah, I think we had like three people who were
listening to us.

Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
That's funny.

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
Yeah, good, nice.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
All right With that said, I think we are pretty
much done. If we haven't run everybody off yet, there's
still a bunch of people watching. But uh, I think
we're going to finish up tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Those of you who are listening and do have some
show ideas that they they would like to see us
cover what If Tomorrow podcast group on Facebook, drop us
a message, uh, leave us post with your suggestions, drop
us an email at what If Tomorrow pc at gmail

(01:46:10):
dot com. And next week we're going to have a
brand new episode, unless there's something else that comes up,
like a flood.

Speaker 6 (01:46:23):
You know, we'll still be snowed in by this time
next week.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Maybe snowed in this time next week. I'll have a
lot of research time done. What If Tomorrow Next Monday,
and on Wednesday you can watch our favorite two co hosts.
Uhayh border Town Strange.

Speaker 8 (01:46:43):
They are Wednesday, next next Wednesday, Yeah, next week, next Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (01:46:48):
Oh sorry I missed that part.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
Yeah, Wednesday.

Speaker 8 (01:46:54):
We're gonna have a guest on We are Weet.

Speaker 5 (01:46:59):
Jason Robert. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Oh cool.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
We are going to talk about the book that Agony Remains.
So if any of you all that are still listening
want to follow along, pick up the book. You can
get it for like, I think it's like nineteen dollars
on Amazon or something very good book.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Yeah, and I highly recommend watching border Town Strange where
you can actually watch a well produced, interesting podcast. Whatever.
What do you want?

Speaker 5 (01:47:33):
Mark?

Speaker 8 (01:47:34):
Are you kissing our ass for a reason? Or I
mean you're welcome to coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
I really appreciate you coming on my show and upping
the entertainment vibe.

Speaker 6 (01:47:52):
Oh I'm not sure that's a compliment, is it?

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
I think I don't know. I'm not very smart guy.

Speaker 8 (01:48:06):
Oh bored?

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
But yeah, we are.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
We're going to be talking about the Agony that Remains.
It's based on lay lines that run through Telequah, Oklahoma,
and the guy that figured out followed a lay line
to find cases as opposed to following cases to find
lay lines. He did it the other way and it's
pretty fascinating stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:48:29):
Yeah, it's basically Yeah, they they go into an area.
A family owns this huge property with several outbuildings on it,
and it's basically Oklahoma's version of Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
It is.

Speaker 8 (01:48:42):
Yeah, it is an insane place of high strangeness. Son,
we're gonna get to go over it with a gentleman
who was actually there with the ausor Yeah. Yeah, it
should be great fun. So I'm probably gonna scare him
off with all my questions.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Probably, I know we'll both be like okay, So yeah, we're.

Speaker 8 (01:49:05):
Gonna be like Chris Farley, do you remember that time
you were in Tallic law.

Speaker 5 (01:49:11):
That everything. He's well warned, he knows, he knows, he knows,
he's met us, and we grilled him when we met
him in person too, so and he still likes us.
So yeah, that's good, carry completely away, all.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Right, all right, Well, I'd like to wish everybody good
night and we will see you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
Awesome night, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
All right, the paper and stand

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